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| 03:20.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 03:20.48 | apt | ~pong |
| 03:21.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow, 6 IRC channels and all are quiet since 1h |
| 03:24.27 | naquan | 's away |
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| 03:24.31 | naquan | :) |
| 03:25.12 | SeligArkin | ~ding |
| 03:25.13 | apt | dong |
| 03:25.22 | SeligArkin | :P |
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| 03:25.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh SeligArkin :-) |
| 03:26.00 | SeligArkin | The witch is dead! |
| 03:28.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | SeligArkin: hope *you* are fine though :-) |
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| 03:31.12 | SeligArkin | For the most part. :P |
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| 04:42.06 | gonzoism | phone keeps turning itself off |
| 04:42.11 | gonzoism | instantly |
| 04:42.13 | gonzoism | flashes off |
| 04:42.25 | gonzoism | maybe zhone is messing stuff up |
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| 04:48.44 | Theshark | is this for voip? |
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| 05:13.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | errrr w w wahat? |
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| 08:14.55 | naquan | tried 2.6.31 kernel, see it boot really fast(2 or 3 times faster than 2.6.29), but the phone 's hang after first suspend. :( |
| 08:18.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | that sounds like a somewhat known issue |
| 08:19.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | what exactly means "hang" here? |
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| 08:24.43 | PaulFertser | naquan: yes, suspend/resume is broken in .31 |
| 08:26.36 | PaulFertser | :( |
| 08:27.18 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: hang = a blank screen that's not response :) |
| 08:27.54 | naquan | PaulFertser: thank you, i'm using the old 2.6.29 now :) |
| 08:28.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | naquan: that's probably fault of new xserver / videodriver |
| 08:28.12 | naquan | PaulFertser: hope they'll release it soon |
| 08:28.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask Weiss abot that |
| 08:28.42 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: nope, that's a kernel issue :( |
| 08:29.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: ooh. even worse |
| 08:29.13 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: :( it's ok with the 2.6.29 |
| 08:29.58 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: but i think you're right, they probably change some thing in the video driver. |
| 08:30.41 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: 2.6.30 added the DRM support to video |
| 08:30.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | naquan: 092842 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer51: nope, that's a kernel issue :( |
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| 08:57.55 | Weiss | naquan: are you getting WSoD on suspend? (not resume) |
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| 08:59.01 | naquan | Weiss: what's WSoD? |
| 08:59.16 | Weiss | white screen of death |
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| 09:02.48 | naquan | i leave the phone for a while, it goes auto-suspend. when i look at it after that, the screen 's blank, back light's not off also. I try to resume with the power button but it doesn't response and holding the power button does not power off the phone. |
| 09:03.54 | naquan | Weiss: i think i got the WSoD on suspend. |
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| 09:07.02 | Weiss | if you get WSoD on suspend with 2.6.31, add the MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME option (or similar.. don't have the exact name right now) |
| 09:10.00 | naquan | Weiss: how should i add it in append-GTA02? i'm using qi. |
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| 09:10.39 | Weiss | ah.. no, you have to recompile :S |
| 09:10.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeek |
| 09:12.00 | Weiss | according to larsc it's an intrinsic problem with the MMC stack at this time |
| 09:12.07 | Weiss | for some reason, it doesn't affect everyone |
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| 09:14.37 | naquan | Weiss: how can i cross-compile for armv4? do you know a good tutorial of this? |
| 09:15.22 | Weiss | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#Building_the_andy-tracking_branch is good, but you need to copy the compile script across from andy-tracking, and check out the 2.6.31 source instead of 2.6.29 |
| 09:18.18 | naquan | Weiss: thank you, i'll try it :) |
| 09:19.08 | Weiss | no problem.. let us know if it works |
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| 10:47.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | gals/guys you're really an exceptionally nice club. Thank god we're not #maemo :-)) |
| 10:51.47 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: what happened in #maemo? |
| 10:52.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite ordinary flamewars |
| 10:54.49 | naquan | :) |
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| 11:49.21 | beers | what did the flame about? |
| 11:52.30 | PaulFertser | beers: nokia's decision to use PA and not plain alsa. |
| 11:53.30 | PaulFertser | beers: i asked about PA benefits and possible usage scenarios and got severly bashed by a webbrowser developer timeless_mbp who likes to speak for the whole community. |
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| 11:54.25 | ndnihil | PA? |
| 11:54.42 | ndnihil | proprietary audio? |
| 11:54.47 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: pulseaudio |
| 11:54.50 | ndnihil | ah |
| 11:55.01 | mjr | well |
| 11:55.21 | mjr | pa seemed like a good idea at the time here too at some point ;] |
| 11:55.51 | lindi- | PaulFertser: not sure if #maemo is the best place to get answers to nokia design decisions really |
| 11:56.28 | PaulFertser | mjr: i'd trade seamless rerouting between different sound cards for more cpu cycles and less problems. Also zero-clock feature of omap SoCs used in n900 would benefit for less power consumption. |
| 11:57.15 | PaulFertser | lindi-: "what does PA bring to a portable device that is not available in plain ALSA?" is exactly how the argument started. |
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| 12:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: [2009-12-14 12:53:32] <PaulFertser> beers: i asked about PA benefits and possible usage scenarios |
| 12:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ALSA could output to concurrent sinks. So no need for any seamless switching |
| 12:03.59 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hm, interesting. Probably wouldn't work with hot-pluggable devices like A2DP though. |
| 12:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | just mute the output(s) you don't need |
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| 12:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm probably, yes |
| 12:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly... realtime on the fly switching to/from A2DP? Feels like you should prohibit it even |
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| 12:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | like: doing a phonecall via BT headset, phone placed on table with people sitting around it. Now I walk to kitchen for a beer and BT RF connection stalls. |
| 12:09.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the guy proposed RT switching to caraudio. |
| 12:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | do I want the phone to inadvertedly eavesdrop into the discussion of the people on the table then? |
| 12:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I've read it |
| 12:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | sounds insane to me as well |
| 12:11.37 | mjr | IMAO it should be possible, but not necessarily at the PA cost |
| 12:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | I should do a "mute call" (audiodev gets freed), then (pair and) connect/enable car-BT and set up volume etc correctly. Then and just then unmute call |
| 12:12.23 | SeligArkin | Yeah, any time you walk close to your car, your phone call will be transfered to the car, even though you're not actualy in it. (Note: I am rather ill-informed on these matters, so excuse any stupidity) |
| 12:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: exactly |
| 12:13.18 | SeligArkin | For all I know, the car could turn off the BT thing completely when it's not running, though |
| 12:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | unsolicited A2DP switchover is *no* good idea |
| 12:14.09 | SeligArkin | but even then, cold days, turning the car on to warm up, get a call, and you can't talk unless you run out through the cold to your car |
| 12:14.16 | mjr | unsolicited perhaps |
| 12:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | for all usage schemes involving user action on the phone to confirm the switch we don't need PA |
| 12:15.17 | SeligArkin | But yeah, maybe a option for it, and a per-device setting for wether to switch to that or not (But a global on/off for this to prevent people on both sides from complaining about having to turn it on/off for each device manualy) |
| 12:15.19 | DocScrutinizer | as the app should handle the audio device switch then |
| 12:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | or at least support it |
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| 12:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | well now after claiming "dmix is broken" and "PA is the future and works flawlessly" now those guys on #maemo started to realize PA actually eats CPU like it's the only app on a device with own atomic plant, and they found a bug even in PA that freezes half the device on something silly simple like two apps playback sound concurrently and then one tries to close |
| 12:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | chrrrhrrhrrhrrrrrr >:-) |
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| 12:34.44 | Bert_2 | anyone got a fix for the openmoko-icon-theme-standard2 error on first boot and upgrade (shr-unstable, 13december lite jffs2) |
| 12:50.14 | Bert_2 | no one ? |
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| 13:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | waves and does shutdown -r after 22d uptime ;-S friggin kernel update |
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| 14:01.56 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: in fact i've always read Lennart's posts with big interest, i think he is a very talented guy. |
| 14:02.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: err? |
| 14:02.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | who,s lennart? |
| 14:02.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: he's the PA author, also he's the main developer behind rdesktop and avahi. |
| 14:03.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh. so he maintains even two of my favourite projects ;-P |
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| 14:05.38 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: yep, avahi is a strange thing. Never seen it used for something good but seen enough problems from it being enabled by default. |
| 14:06.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 14:13.21 | pbaxter | hi all |
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| 14:54.43 | Sup3rkiddo | hey guys, just wondering. how long does the battery last if I have SHR + gps but withouth GSM |
| 14:55.04 | Sup3rkiddo | any tips to increase battery life? |
| 14:56.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. shutdown GPS for any period longer than 30 sec |
| 14:56.53 | Sup3rkiddo | heh :| |
| 14:57.06 | Sup3rkiddo | i was hoping to use it for my roadtrip |
| 14:57.29 | Sup3rkiddo | atleast logging will do.. |
| 14:57.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | so what? do you need a fix every 10 sec? |
| 14:59.12 | Sup3rkiddo | hmmm no |
| 14:59.42 | panicking | try to use cpufreq scaling |
| 14:59.44 | panicking | too |
| 14:59.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | shut down 45sec. 10sec power up and init. 5sec for fix. power down to 25% |
| 15:00.22 | SeligArkin | I wonder how much power it takes to get a fix compaired to holding the fix |
| 15:00.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. good question. but a wild guess would be its all the same |
| 15:01.02 | Sup3rkiddo | hmmm.... no use eh/?.. I wanted to just log the trip... I know the route.. so am not going to use it as a map thing.. |
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| 15:01.30 | SeligArkin | Why not get a car charger, Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:01.46 | Sup3rkiddo | SeligArkin, hehe, its a motor bike |
| 15:01.55 | SeligArkin | Ohh |
| 15:02.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | the easiest solution for sure |
| 15:02.18 | SeligArkin | no car lighters for a motor bike? :P |
| 15:02.24 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 15:02.30 | SeligArkin | Just duct-tape the moko to the bike |
| 15:02.35 | Sup3rkiddo | DocScrutinizer-8, yes? |
| 15:02.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. this bike doesn,t have a power plug? |
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| 15:02.56 | Sup3rkiddo | DocScrutinizer-8, :| |
| 15:04.01 | Sup3rkiddo | I was planning something like... cat the nmea data or something into some file and load it in OSM's app... and show off! |
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| 15:04.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | no 12V battery to hook up a female plug and a carcharger |
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| 15:05.39 | Sup3rkiddo | DocScrutinizer-8, its also raining a bit, so the freerunner will most likely be in my saddle |
| 15:06.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | well anyway I think when suspending, themGPS should power off as well. |
| 15:06.25 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah, it dos |
| 15:06.26 | Sup3rkiddo | es |
| 15:06.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the saddle thing you,d need an external gps antenna then |
| 15:07.44 | Sup3rkiddo | DocScrutinizer51, aw shucks.. I did a test ride keeping the device in my backpack (not that deep though).. worked without problems.. but as you said, power came down quite fast |
| 15:07.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the power it should work to let device suspend, and wake up after some minutes by e.g. ffalarms or similar |
| 15:08.59 | Sup3rkiddo | I was of the impression that its the initial fix that draws the maximum power |
| 15:08.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | or prepare a script for that RTC alarm thingie to wake device cyclic |
| 15:11.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | I have to admit I never tested the power consumption of GPS in different situations. nor did I test resume of GPS while app is using it |
| 15:14.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | the easiest thing is to wrap two cables around the bat poles and mount a ciglighter plug. then plug a *good* car adapter to that |
| 15:15.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and maybe avoid having FR plugged when operating starter. Just to be sure... |
| 15:15.50 | Sup3rkiddo | DocScrutinizer51, thats the thing, I will have to source long cables at that..... The battery is way down.... will be difficult to reach it. (dang, should have thought about it earlier) |
| 15:15.51 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe |
| 15:18.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I have a FR here "declared dead 14,11,2008. Killed by scooter starter. RIP" So be warned |
| 15:19.34 | Sup3rkiddo | rofl |
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| 15:21.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the frontlight is easier to wiretap. also has advantage you can easily switch off (for start and during parking) and usually is on while driving |
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