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| 02:50.29 | skhme | What's with the usb connection going down on suspend :/ |
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| 03:07.42 | naquan | skhme: new SHR version disable auto-suspend when you plug the USB cable in |
| 03:08.23 | skhme | How new? It started after flashing.. wonder if I flashed an older one. |
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| 03:16.48 | naquan | skhme: the latest is 12-4-2009, but i think that feature may be already in older version. |
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| 03:17.35 | skhme | /etc/shr-version Time Stamp is 30 Nov 2009 |
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| 03:31.18 | naquan | skhme: did you extract the module....tar.gz file and reboot the phone? |
| 03:32.08 | skhme | I just used neotools :\ |
| 03:33.18 | skhme | So I didn't use the compressed file. |
| 03:33.41 | skhme | Basically followed the wiki documentary on getting started. |
| 03:38.15 | naquan | skhme: it is not the rootfs.tar.gz, it's the kernel modules modules-....tar.gz, it contain some of the driver for the kernel |
| 03:38.32 | naquan | skhme: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual |
| 03:40.09 | naquan | skhme: you should download the modules with the same version as your kernel image and extract in your root file system, or else something will not work properly. |
| 03:40.33 | skhme | Seems I've been lacking them all along. |
| 03:41.02 | skhme | I guess I'll re-read the manual. Thanks :p |
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| 03:41.43 | naquan | you're welcome :) |
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| 04:01.30 | skhme | Is there a way to save your messages on somewhere else than the Sim? |
| 04:12.12 | gonzoism | skhme: you could scp them to another box. i save mine to the micro sd card. cp -a /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ /media/card/ |
| 04:13.14 | gonzoism | i do that often. it backs up my address book, messages, call log, and other stuff to the microSD card, and i can restore them across reinstalls. |
| 04:23.47 | skhme | I was thinking more in the lines of ignoring the whole SMS on the sim-card part. I get too many messages for that really to be efficient. I guess you could script the process but that'd feel more like a workaround than the solution :p |
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| 04:25.59 | skhme | I'll get back to it later. Sleep -> |
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| 04:48.58 | Martijn_ | hi, does anyone know when there will be a new release of the openmoko smart phone? |
| 04:50.58 | gonzoism | it is rumored that there will not be another phone released by openmoko. i see the a7 gsm900 model that has come out recently. i'm keeping my fingers crossed. a lot of people say the hardware is outdated. i don't think so. |
| 04:52.24 | rozzin | "it is rumored". Pshaw. |
| 04:52.49 | Martijn_ | yeah, but i cannot wait _that_ long on a new phone |
| 04:52.51 | gonzoism | i can't see openmoko flat out saying anywhere. i'd love an official source. |
| 04:53.17 | Martijn_ | sad that we do not know |
| 04:54.03 | rozzin | Though, personally..., I have a hard time imagining them investing in a successor until they've been able to do something with the stock of FreeRunners that they have :) |
| 04:54.23 | rozzin | Martijn_: Do you have a Freerunner yet? |
| 04:54.41 | Martijn_ | rozzin, nope, but i would like to have one... |
| 04:55.39 | rozzin | Martijn_: Depending on what your expectations are (what you're really looking for), it may or may not be a good device. |
| 04:55.50 | Martijn_ | i see |
| 04:56.04 | rozzin | Opinions vary from "awesome" to "embarassing". |
| 04:56.42 | gonzoism | mine is awesome. |
| 04:57.05 | rozzin | It works great for me, and it enables me to do all sorts of things that I couldn't otherwise do, |
| 04:57.41 | Martijn_ | :) thanks for sharing this with me |
| 04:57.43 | rozzin | and it enables me to develop things that I couldn't develop with a more restricted definition of "open", |
| 04:58.08 | gonzoism | i dislike that it cannot do binary sms. that is really my only big gripe. i'm using it as my only phone. the majority of the people i talk to say that it sounds perfect on their end. calls sound good on my end. my sister is the only one that complains about quality, and she heard it before i started tweaking it. |
| 04:58.19 | rozzin | but it's not necessarily much to *look at*. |
| 04:59.46 | gonzoism | http://unsyncopated.com/wiki/Doom%20Port <---- everyone seems impressed with that. also, you can install debian on it and have access to every debian app. |
| 05:00.17 | Martijn_ | yeah i think i will wait on the newest version because that will have a camera on bourd |
| 05:00.26 | Martijn_ | boars |
| 05:00.29 | Martijn_ | board |
| 05:00.52 | rozzin | Martijn_: There is no such thing currently scheduled. |
| 05:01.02 | gonzoism | will there be a next version ? i don't know of it. |
| 05:01.21 | gonzoism | i got mine 3 weeks ago. i'm a happy camper. |
| 05:01.51 | rozzin | Ages ago, there was a lot of (speculative) talk about `gta03' and what may or may not go into it; |
| 05:02.21 | Martijn_ | well, this page is saying that there will be something like this in the upcoming release http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 |
| 05:02.24 | rozzin | and a lot of people misunderstood that as being some sort of announcement, |
| 05:02.49 | rozzin | Martijn_: That's *exactly* the sort of misunderstanding that I'm talking about :) |
| 05:02.55 | Martijn_ | lol |
| 05:03.09 | Martijn_ | yeah, well i give it some months |
| 05:03.18 | Martijn_ | thanks for all the help man |
| 05:03.27 | Martijn_ | have a nice day! |
| 05:03.38 | rozzin | `some months' was over last December. |
| 05:03.42 | gonzoism | you too ! |
| 05:03.45 | rozzin | pfft. :) |
| 05:04.03 | rozzin | Maybe we should do something about that page :) |
| 05:05.05 | gonzoism | lol, yeah. also i think it would help a lot after a stable shr is released. |
| 05:05.07 | rozzin | I have to admit that I even let myself get a little caught-up in that 3D7K/gta03 hysteria. |
| 05:05.22 | rozzin | I should have known better, though-- |
| 05:05.34 | rozzin | I've been through this process before :) |
| 05:06.07 | gonzoism | i'm very happy with the gta02. besides irda and a cam, i can't imagine anything better. except for it shipping with the harware fixes |
| 05:06.53 | rozzin | One might expect that it'd be obvious to anone who's ever been part of a team working on a new product.... |
| 05:07.11 | gonzoism | that gta03 was a rabbit ? |
| 05:07.20 | rozzin | `rabbit'? |
| 05:07.28 | gonzoism | hard to catch... |
| 05:07.32 | rozzin | Oh. |
| 05:07.43 | rozzin | I don't think that's quite what I was going to say. |
| 05:07.46 | rozzin | :) |
| 05:07.52 | rozzin | I was going to say, |
| 05:08.01 | gonzoism | what did you mean ? i'm interested. :) you're saying it now. :) |
| 05:08.53 | rozzin | A lot of what was going on was perfectly normal product-development stuff-- |
| 05:09.27 | rozzin | there's a dialogue that goes on between engineering, marketing, management et al.; |
| 05:09.34 | gonzoism | that is how it seemed to me. |
| 05:09.48 | gonzoism | was still exciting to follow. :) |
| 05:09.50 | rozzin | to determine what the ideal featureset would be--what would sell, |
| 05:10.13 | rozzin | (that's what Marketing figures out), |
| 05:10.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | and what we could build |
| 05:10.31 | rozzin | the engineers figure out what we can build, |
| 05:10.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | so... me |
| 05:10.47 | rozzin | and management figures out what's economically feasible. |
| 05:11.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's not completely correct |
| 05:11.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | regrettably |
| 05:11.26 | rozzin | Well, it's certainly not complete :) |
| 05:11.42 | rozzin | But along the way, |
| 05:12.26 | rozzin | you've got things like pep-rallies or whatever morale-boosting activities for your staff, |
| 05:12.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 05:13.39 | rozzin | DocScrutinizer51: "morale"? :) |
| 05:15.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | well. honestly it seems I exactly finished the one year of sorrow today. GTA03 been killed on that monday meeting in dec 08 (at least for me. you know the issue with corpses on machines looking like alive) |
| 05:16.42 | gonzoism | sounds awful |
| 05:16.54 | gonzoism | i think "corpses" did it. |
| 05:17.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I honestly don,t like to talk about that unpleasant episode |
| 05:17.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | anymore |
| 05:17.55 | gonzoism | i like my freerunner. a lot. it makes me happy somehow. |
| 05:18.14 | rozzin | gonzoism: Are you developing for it? |
| 05:18.46 | raster | stabs the gta03 corpse one more time |
| 05:18.52 | gonzoism | no. I am trying to figure it out. just now i got another error from "make image". didn't build |
| 05:19.09 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: hey hey :) (btw) :) |
| 05:19.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster, definitely dead |
| 05:19.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 05:19.32 | raster | along with any other phone stuff om may do |
| 05:19.36 | raster | enjoy your n900 |
| 05:19.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | yo |
| 05:21.15 | gonzoism | DocScrutinizer51: that friend of mine that i was just sure had the n900 a few months ago.... talked to him today. was an n800. :( |
| 05:21.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | really wonders when werner will manage to make a photo of his lab with a gta03 incidentally left on the bench |
| 05:21.50 | raster | gonzoism: BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 05:22.05 | raster | gonzoism: i knew i was right. |
| 05:22.06 | raster | :) |
| 05:22.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehehehehehehehehe |
| 05:22.16 | gonzoism | yes, i was wrong. |
| 05:22.26 | raster | add another point to the "raster was right" column |
| 05:22.27 | gonzoism | very wrong, incidentally. :) |
| 05:22.44 | gonzoism | raster: 4 christians: 0 |
| 05:22.53 | rozzin | snorts. |
| 05:23.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster, never realized ther's another column |
| 05:23.21 | gonzoism | lol |
| 05:23.26 | gonzoism | i love that joke. |
| 05:23.35 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: there is the "raster was wrong" one next to it |
| 05:23.42 | raster | so far it's empty |
| 05:23.43 | raster | :) |
| 05:23.53 | raster | (ok not quite,... but mostly) |
| 05:24.55 | gonzoism | ya, he told me it was the n800, and my spirits just sank.... "damnit !" |
| 05:25.23 | raster | not even a phone |
| 05:25.24 | raster | :) |
| 05:25.29 | gonzoism | was glad to finally get an answer though. |
| 05:25.41 | gonzoism | oh, i thought it was a phone. didn't know that. |
| 05:25.45 | rozzin | gonzoism: It has been sort-of..., uh..., `fun' to watch newbies pick fights with raster about graphics-programming. |
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| 05:26.01 | raster | dont worry. didn't expect you to come in with a "ha! see! it WAS an n900!" |
| 05:26.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok. so world is at equilibrum oncee again. nevermind |
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| 05:26.23 | raster | rozzin: sometimes i'm wrong. it happens. it's rare. :) |
| 05:26.39 | gonzoism | i was totally expecting to be right.... |
| 05:26.45 | gonzoism | so sure... |
| 05:26.45 | raster | hehehehehe |
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| 05:26.52 | gonzoism | heh |
| 05:27.21 | rozzin | wasn't even an 810? |
| 05:27.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster, we both knew we were both right. so no room for fail |
| 05:27.35 | gonzoism | shakes head |
| 05:28.08 | gonzoism | is the 810 a phone ? just curious. |
| 05:28.12 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: yeah. the power of numbers alone there... |
| 05:28.16 | rozzin | gonzoism: Nope. |
| 05:28.58 | raster | gonzoism: nup. just a slightly better n800 (same hw but with added gps, solder-edon mmc instead of 1 sd slot and a hw kbd - otherwise identical to n800 (well minus case change)) |
| 05:29.28 | rozzin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810 |
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| 05:30.17 | Ddorda | what is the default password of shr? |
| 05:31.09 | gonzoism | its blank |
| 05:31.11 | gonzoism | no pw |
| 05:31.31 | Ddorda | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 05:31.37 | gonzoism | i had one image the other day that wouldn't let me ssh in. |
| 05:31.38 | rozzin | Ddorda: I don't think there is one--I think you're supposed to just load a pubkey into .ssh/authorized_keys. |
| 05:31.58 | raster | rootme |
| 05:32.03 | raster | ? |
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| 05:32.17 | gonzoism | i just opened vala-terminal on the phone and ran the passwd command |
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| 05:34.55 | Ddorda | gonzoism: good i dea, thanks |
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| 05:37.19 | rozzin | changes "is" to "was" on the 3D7K page. |
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| 07:18.49 | *** topic/#openmoko by spaetz_ -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ lite-om-gta02.tar.gz or full-om-gta02.tar.gz |
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| 14:38.10 | Superevildeath | hey guys is the OS already end user ready ? or is it still in dev stage ? |
| 14:40.11 | tomcatek | i think there always will be something more to do |
| 14:40.15 | tomcatek | but it is usable |
| 14:43.10 | Superevildeath | well tbh i want a opensource os on a phone but i don't want to spent a day messing around with it i mean sure when i look at SHR for example my feeling tells me thats not ready as a "stable" build because there is still basic functionality missing |
| 14:50.38 | radekp | Superevildeath: i am already messing one year with this phone ;-) |
| 14:51.48 | radekp | but i am quite enjoying it, i think you will probably find distro that works for you... |
| 14:52.21 | radekp | but it will probably take more then just one day |
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| 14:54.44 | Superevildeath | well i don't have that much free time anymore ( i wish i did ), i'm not gonna try 10000 distro's on my phone so most likely i'm gonna jump for a andriod or something |
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| 19:35.04 | ikrabbe | Hi, I need a small hint to build a new kernel for the freerunner, as I can't get my 8gb sdcard running and there has been a patch in the git kernel tree |
| 19:35.40 | ikrabbe | is there a good howto starting point to set up a kernel development tree and scripts to build that kernel |
| 19:35.56 | ikrabbe | I know how to build linux kernel in general btw. |
| 19:41.57 | Weiss | ikrabbe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#Building_the_andy-tracking_branch |
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| 19:43.42 | Weiss | it's basically just the same as building normally, except: 1. use a cross-compiler and make sure you configure appropriates (ARCH=arm etc), 2. build a separate modules tarball to copy across to the Neo (if appropriately), 3. do some magic to make a u-boot header |
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| 21:56.23 | ashen_ | Hi, is there any cli based sms reader/sender for shr? |
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