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| 01:17.36 | hipitihop | Ive just switched from qtmokoko to latest shr, my fr used to be on usb0 but can't connect, what is the default port that shr uses ? |
| 01:18.43 | skhme | Have you checked if it's eth1 or eth2 or similiar? |
| 01:18.50 | skhme | Instead of usb0 |
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| 01:27.55 | slaxxer | ifconfig -a? |
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| 01:46.23 | hipitihop | skhme, slaxxer, yes seems to be on eth2 ... do you know if shr now has a default root password ? |
| 01:47.34 | d1b | hipitihop: if it does, just open a terminal and change it ... |
| 01:49.48 | skhme | Don't know, I couldn't get through with blank or password or whatever when I tried. Just open the terminal and change it. |
| 01:50.14 | skhme | As you'll want to do that anyway. |
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| 02:01.19 | hipitihop | thanks |
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| 02:13.17 | naquan | hi everyone. I tried the latest SHR 04-12-2009 and when I choose an ogg file as ringtone, only static noise is played. "ps -e" show that the phone is using aplay to play the ringtone, will any update solve this? |
| 02:14.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, probably not anytime soon |
| 02:15.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | install sox or wahtever and convert to .wav the ringtone of your choice |
| 02:16.42 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: Thank you |
| 02:17.47 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: and sorry abt yesterday, I'm not used to irc yet so i didn't notice the nickname changed. |
| 02:18.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, nevermind. even dunno what u r talking bout |
| 02:20.37 | naquan | DocScrutinizer51: are DocScrutinizer & DocScrutinizer-8 your nicks? |
| 02:21.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 02:21.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | different clients |
| 02:23.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | in former times ther's even been a DocMobilizer ;-) |
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| 02:32.22 | *** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/. Recommended: old-images/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
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| 11:34.34 | Dracc | Hi guys! :D |
| 11:35.40 | Dracc | I'm in thoughts of buying myself a new cellphone. I'd really like a freerunner, but I'd like some arguments on why not buying random android-phone.. :$ |
| 11:38.06 | ndnihil | because google is big brother is evil |
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| 11:39.44 | SpeedEvil | Are you going to be developing your own software? |
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| 11:54.20 | Dracc | SpeedEvil: I guess not, I'm not a good programmer. :$ |
| 11:54.50 | Dracc | ndnihil; Thought of that, yes, wasn't sure if it was an argument strong enough. :$ |
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| 11:57.18 | Heinervdm | Dracc: Android phones are faster, have longer battery life and software is probably more stable. But with the FreeRunner your free to run what ever you want an the phone, you can even run kde if you like ;) |
| 11:57.40 | Dracc | Heinervdm: Oh, thanks. :D |
| 11:58.00 | Dracc | But, now you made me realise OM aint ment for me. :( |
| 11:59.20 | Dracc | OM/FR* |
| 12:01.32 | SpeedEvil | Also, you might consider n900. |
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| 12:01.43 | SpeedEvil | which is probably a bit shinier - though more expensive |
| 12:01.49 | Heinervdm | Others will pobably disagree, but i think if you don't want the openness of the Freerunner then any other phone is better |
| 12:02.03 | mjr | yeah n900 is probably better as a phone if worse for openness |
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| 12:02.36 | mjr | also, not quite as restricted as android in practice afaik... |
| 12:03.34 | Dracc | So, the n900 would be more open than for example the Samsung Galaxy? |
| 12:05.12 | mjr | probably, at least unless you get a non-DRM'd version of it (android user phones tend to restrict what you can run there for the appstore drm to work) |
| 12:05.55 | Dracc | Oh. |
| 12:06.27 | Dracc | So, basically, I'm better of with a jailbraked iPhone, 'cause I'm f*cked anyways? :P |
| 12:06.49 | Dracc | Darn. |
| 12:07.10 | Dracc | I miss the good ol' times, when it was an easy choise. Nokia 3310 or nothing. :D |
| 12:07.12 | mjr | well, nokia is probably slightly less evil than apple, and the n900 is quite a lot more open than iphone |
| 12:07.26 | mjr | so between those I'd call it a no-brainer |
| 12:07.35 | Dracc | Ok. :) |
| 12:07.53 | Dracc | I'm such a pain in the ass. :( |
| 12:08.00 | Dracc | I don't like Nokia. :/ |
| 12:08.10 | mjr | me neither |
| 12:08.16 | mjr | but I like Apple less |
| 12:08.28 | Dracc | Me 2. :/ |
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| 12:09.01 | mjr | I've been the first one to remind people about N900's significant proprietary bits and Nokia's general harmfulness to society in general wrt. swpats and file formats, but Apple, well, they're not really better :] |
| 12:09.56 | mjr | personally, I'll hang back for a while yet with my FR to see how things progress in this area |
| 12:10.10 | mjr | I'd buy the n900 in a heartbeat though were it as open |
| 12:10.26 | Dracc | Darn, I wish I could be the one at work, hanging out w/ my FR and just be... happy. :O |
| 12:11.17 | mjr | but, you know, can't even _charge_ the damn thing without proprietary software, that's just, meh |
| 12:11.39 | Dracc | WHAT?! :O |
| 12:11.51 | Dracc | Does the n900 demand SOFTWARE to charge?! :O |
| 12:12.09 | mjr | the _phone-side_ charging controller software is proprietary |
| 12:12.16 | Dracc | Ah. |
| 12:12.25 | Dracc | Sounds... reasonable.. O.o |
| 12:13.19 | lindi- | mjr: the first one? [citation needed] ;) |
| 12:13.24 | mjr | I could live with a powervr being present (probably without using it ;), but there's a bit more in there than that... On the plus side, at least the wlan is open unlike in n800 |
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| 12:14.05 | mjr | lindi-, figuratively speaking, of course, but I was quite active in that one hype blog entry anti-hyping things down ;) |
| 12:14.25 | mjr | (and by open I mean free linux-side drivers, btw, wrt. the wlan) |
| 12:16.17 | lindi- | mjr: wasn't the wlan surprisingly free this time? |
| 12:17.29 | mjr | lindi-, don't really know how free, but at least the linux-side driver as said. |
| 12:17.43 | mjr | which is surprising already considering the earlier models |
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| 12:24.15 | Dracc | Is the memory-card the type you find in a Nokia or in a SE-cell phone=? |
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| 12:26.28 | Heinervdm | Dracc: what phone? the FreeRunner has microSD card |
| 12:27.44 | SpeedEvil | mjr: what do you mean by closed bits? |
| 12:27.53 | Dracc | Heinervdm: OK, thanks. :) |
| 12:28.18 | SpeedEvil | mjr: all the actual kernel drivers are open - as far as I can tell - it's just there is closed userspace stuff. |
| 12:28.30 | SpeedEvil | mjr: in that you can rebuild the kernel |
| 12:30.38 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: bme at least |
| 12:32.20 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: yes - as far as I can see - bme is userspace. |
| 12:32.33 | SpeedEvil | It has no kernel component, and accesses only opensource drivers |
| 12:32.52 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: possibly, but that does not help much |
| 12:32.59 | SpeedEvil | I may be confused though - I haven't gone into this as much as I want. |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | how not? |
| 12:33.05 | lindi- | if you have userland drivers |
| 12:33.56 | SpeedEvil | If you have the source of the hardware drivers and strace and root and the docs of many of the components - ... |
| 12:34.12 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: you can reverse-engineer yes |
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| 12:34.21 | lindi- | but what's the point? ;) |
| 12:34.30 | SpeedEvil | reverse engineering from that point is almost easy. |
| 12:34.37 | lindi- | good luck :P |
| 12:34.42 | SpeedEvil | It's not as if you're trying to decompile stuff. |
| 12:34.54 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: gta01 gps driver was never reverse-engineered successfully |
| 12:34.59 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:35.14 | lindi- | and n900 bme hasn't been yet either |
| 12:35.15 | SpeedEvil | I know that - I wasted many hours on it - that's a rather different case. |
| 12:35.32 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is several orders of magnitude more complex. |
| 12:35.50 | SpeedEvil | You don't need relatavistic maths to work out battery charging. |
| 12:35.59 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: good luck with that then :) |
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| 22:43.46 | slaxxer | duke nukem nearly works |
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