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| 01:08.14 | gonzoism | how does the freerunner fare after being dropped ? |
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| 01:09.44 | brian_ | testing |
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| 01:10.51 | gonzoism | lol, did it survive ? |
| 01:12.34 | brian_ | i have dropped mine several times an on gravel |
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| 01:23.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | dropped 2m on concrete - on purpose. to demonstarte I know the hw I've built |
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| 01:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no faith? ;-P |
| 01:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: or are you OT once again (N900) XD |
| 01:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | (for bat lifetime) got 23h with 5 IRC cannels ober WLAN, and maybe 10h of 50% dim backlight (on N900) |
| 01:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | it's outright awesome |
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| 01:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | friggin S3Cfoobar Samsung CPU will never get close - not even in vicinity |
| 01:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | there's a clear difference between susoend and zero-clock |
| 01:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | especially with linux kernel devel never getting the point about suspend being the utterly false concept for mobile always-up devices |
| 01:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | WTF *is* suspend?! what's it designed to serve for! |
| 01:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | kernel devels have no clue whatsoever about the hw&sw symbiosis (well, most of them) |
| 01:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | If you don't want to believe in my words, ask raster. Hell socond on this, unless Samsung took over his mind |
| 01:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | s/Hell socond/He'll second/ |
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| 02:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | CQ. |
| 02:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | anybody alive? |
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| 02:04.12 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 02:04.32 | SpeedEvil | you really need - for the core design - people that understand hardware and software. |
| 02:04.34 | SpeedEvil | EE+CE |
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| 02:06.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: you got mail |
| 02:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | not yet XD |
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| 02:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | what's CE' |
| 02:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 02:07.50 | SpeedEvil | computer engineer |
| 02:07.51 | SpeedEvil | CS |
| 02:07.54 | SpeedEvil | rather |
| 02:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 02:08.06 | SpeedEvil | And really EE+kernel hacker is ideal |
| 02:08.17 | SpeedEvil | which is a rare skillset indeed. |
| 02:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'm 20% of a CE and 130% of a EE :-P |
| 02:08.43 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: how's live? |
| 02:09.32 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: enjoying mad snow that paralised all those stupid car-drivers today :) |
| 02:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | coooool - lol |
| 02:09.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: how's yours? |
| 02:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | heard onother nasty report about Putin and Russia in TV today |
| 02:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | (mine) slow painful decay |
| 02:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | pinnnng - I got mail |
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| 02:22.44 | naquan | Hi everyone. The contact names in my phone log look ok, but the phone numbers look ugly with numbers like +84... and do not display the contact names, could anyone please help me solve this? will upgrade the messages app help? or do i need to change some settings? |
| 02:24.08 | PaulFertser | naquan: you do not mention the software you use |
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| 02:25.33 | naquan | PaulFertser: sorry, i'm using SHR 12-04-2009 |
| 02:25.54 | PaulFertser | naquan: also +<countrycode><areacode><number> is standard number notation, it's not ugly, it's standarde. |
| 02:28.03 | naquan | PaulFertser: yes, it's standard but it's hard to read. I read on wiki that the phone log can convert that number to contact names, i wonder why the messages can't. |
| 02:29.15 | naquan | PaulFertser: do i need to change the country code in settings? |
| 02:30.27 | PaulFertser | naquan: sure |
| 02:35.30 | naquan | PaulFertser: :( it's still no help. is it only affected by the countrycode & areacode? can you give me the rule that they convert the numbers? |
| 02:37.17 | PaulFertser | naquan: i can't tell you the rule, sorry. Are you sure you specified all the parameters properly and restarted everything needed? |
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| 02:45.41 | naquan | PaulFertser: uhm, there're 4 prefixes in phone settings: international prefix=0, national prefix=9, country code=84 and the area code's blank |
| 02:47.02 | naquan | PaulFertser: the wiki said Vietnam's international code is +84 and mobile code is 9 . i'm a bit confused. |
| 02:49.05 | PaulFertser | naquan: international prefix is + |
| 02:49.19 | PaulFertser | naquan: national prefix is probably blank for you. |
| 02:51.43 | naquan | PaulFertser: is the country code the same as international prefix? |
| 02:52.06 | PaulFertser | naquan: nope |
| 02:52.25 | PaulFertser | naquan: prefix is what some (usa) stupids use instead of + |
| 02:52.33 | PaulFertser | naquan: i think that's 0 or 00 for them. |
| 02:52.48 | PaulFertser | naquan: country code doesn't include prefix. |
| 02:53.47 | PaulFertser | naquan: there were some letters about numbers normalisation on the ML, but i won't be searching it right now :) |
| 02:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | naquan: if your friend tells you "call my on my foo-mobile cellphone. number is 123456". What would you do to actually dial him? prepend the "foo" prefix xy? do 0xy as 0 is the national prefix? or what would you do if he were in usa? prepend the international prefic + plus counrty code of your friend's country? |
| 02:58.22 | PaulFertser | naquan: i'm off, cul |
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| 03:20.27 | naquan | DocScrutinizer: PaulFertser: thank you, i think i'll try to read the phoneui-messages source code |
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| 04:32.13 | jaypro | damn! what mp3 and video players do you guys you for SHR? |
| 04:39.35 | naquan | intone for mp3 and mplayer for video |
| 04:39.48 | gonzoism | intone is nice. pythm seems to be popular. mplayer for video. |
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| 04:52.15 | jaypro | hrmm...intone and pythm doesnt seem to work for me |
| 04:53.16 | gonzoism | what happens ? |
| 04:56.08 | jaypro | oh shit..intone works now...wtf |
| 04:56.12 | jaypro | it used to just crash |
| 04:56.42 | gonzoism | it crashes a lot sometimes. |
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| 05:04.07 | jaypro | oh okay... at least i know it works now |
| 05:08.58 | jaypro | how do you uninstall something |
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| 05:10.42 | naquan | jaypro: try opkg uninstall <package> |
| 05:11.07 | bamccaig | Anybody know how to exit an application in android (on freerunner)? |
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| 05:12.03 | jaypro | lol okay... still new |
| 05:13.41 | bamccaig | Ahh... <http://osdir.com/ml/Android-Developers/2009-11/msg00760.html> Apparently andoird automatically kills applications when you're done with them? |
| 05:13.50 | bamccaig | s/andoird/android/ |
| 05:14.25 | naquan | jaypro: which version of SHR are you using? |
| 05:16.21 | jaypro | ummm....shr full dated 2009-12-04 |
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| 05:17.17 | naquan | jaypro: both intone and alarm don't work in that version until you upgrade them |
| 05:17.35 | naquan | jaypro: is there a problem with alarm too? |
| 05:18.33 | jaypro | nope |
| 05:19.14 | jaypro | at first, it didnt but i ran "opkg update" and upgrade |
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| 05:19.53 | jaypro | opkg remove would work, but is there a listing of the packages someplace? |
| 05:21.49 | naquan | i don't know if there 's any list of installed package |
| 05:23.13 | naquan | maybe "opkg list-installed" or something |
| 05:23.29 | naquan | try "opkg --help" |
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| 05:24.30 | jaypro | ahh okay i got it.. thankx |
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| 07:43.45 | PaulFertser | naquan: in fact it's a separate phone number normalisation library |
| 07:44.03 | PaulFertser | naquan: so you need to read that, not the phoneui-messages |
| 07:46.27 | naquan | PaulFertser: I found the phoneui-messages 's just a small app that just call a dbus of phoneuid |
| 07:47.27 | PaulFertser | naquan: sure, and phoneuid links to another library to do normalisation. |
| 07:55.48 | naquan | PaulFertser: the confusing part 's that dbus is an inter-process calls, so i can't find out which one accept these calls :( |
| 07:59.08 | PaulFertser | naquan: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-utils.git;a=blob;f=src/phone-utils.c;h=e217224b01d7a71ff2205c0713294d7212df1701;hb=HEAD |
| 08:05.48 | FxChiP | adfadsfgafedgasdfh |
| 08:06.03 | FxChiP | I misread that as libiphone-utils for a second and was like "wait, that URL is wrong...!" |
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| 08:16.25 | naquan | FxChiP: no it's a right url, it just take me a while to find out the function. |
| 08:16.48 | naquan | PaulFertser: thank you, I'm reading it |
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| 17:09.14 | brian_ | wassa |
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| 17:25.41 | brian_ | better to use testing shr now? |
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| 17:26.40 | tomcatek | i'm using unstable, and works OK now |
| 17:27.01 | brian_ | testingg has newer images |
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| 18:30.49 | brian_ | Upgrading ffalarms on root from 0.3.1+svnr67-r0.4 to 0.3.1+svnr67-r1.4... |
| 18:30.56 | brian_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.14 | dos1 | http://openmoko.opendevice.org:8080/testtrac - proposition for new SHR main page design,what do you think? |
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| 18:43.15 | dos1 | (subpages are not there, and not everything is styled yet :P) |
| 18:43.35 | brian_ | smart color scheme |
| 18:43.50 | SpeedEvil | 'based on >the< freesmartphone |
| 18:43.51 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 18:43.53 | SpeedEvil | I like it |
| 18:44.00 | SpeedEvil | It is shiny |
| 18:44.20 | max_posedon | timeline not readable at all) |
| 18:44.31 | brian_ | permanent Hostage? |
| 18:44.48 | dos1 | max_posedon: because i didn't style it yet :P |
| 18:45.32 | max_posedon | but first page looks good |
| 18:45.41 | dos1 | tickets table is also disaster ATM |
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| 18:50.12 | brian_ | the base theme on the neo needs that color scheme because that bright white background is killin my eyes |
| 18:51.23 | dos1 | brian_: i want to make theme for neo based on colors from our logo too :) |
| 18:51.37 | brian_ | hutty man |
| 18:51.41 | brian_ | rr |
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| 19:10.46 | Meomer | is e30k-40k (a margin of 25-33% gotta love these guys) anything to live on in cork? |
| 19:10.55 | Meomer | and this is the wrong channel :p |
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| 19:16.53 | SpeedEvil | ponders living in a house carved from cork. |
| 19:17.01 | SpeedEvil | It'd be quite warm, and bouncy. |
| 19:17.10 | SpeedEvil | approves. |
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| 19:48.23 | slaxxer | not much happening at "core"? |
| 19:48.40 | slaxxer | was some hardware made? |
| 19:48.42 | SpeedEvil | Core has a fundamental problem - it needs funding |
| 19:48.50 | SpeedEvil | making one phone is expensive. |
| 19:49.00 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps $2000 ish. |
| 19:49.20 | SpeedEvil | Assuming you need several board spins to get it right, and not counting labour costs. |
| 19:49.48 | slaxxer | has there not been 2 board spins already? |
| 19:49.52 | SpeedEvil | You need to get an order for maybe a thousand to get the costs down to a marketable level. And the n900 has somewhat decapitated the market |
| 19:50.18 | SpeedEvil | I don't actually know - I should have been keeping up with it - but I haven't had the energy this year. |
| 19:50.34 | slaxxer | gta01-gta02? |
| 19:51.04 | SpeedEvil | err - no |
| 19:51.18 | SpeedEvil | gta02 for example has had I think 9 different PCB versions. |
| 19:51.32 | SpeedEvil | And the released version _still_ has problems that could do with another one |
| 19:52.04 | mickeyl | ya, even A7 is plagued by #1024 and the somewhat bassless sound |
| 19:53.32 | SpeedEvil | And for each PCB version - you need at least several hundred dollars. |
| 19:53.53 | SpeedEvil | Assuming skilled labour is free |
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| 20:46.57 | slaxxer | ok wifi works as long as i leave mokoconnect alive |
| 20:48.55 | slaxxer | consider changing the 080808 to shr testing |
| 20:49.18 | slaxxer | in the topic,,, if it pleases u Doc:) |
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| 21:13.35 | feugan3333 | Hi all. Is there some guide to how ipkg's work. I'd like to look at the postinstall actions for a package, not sure how to go about it. |
| 21:15.28 | feugan3333 | Sorry, I should google a bit more before asking questions :-/ |
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