| 00:16.27 | pieterc | Rui|zZz: still here? |
| 00:16.41 | pieterc | got a question on elmdentica |
| 00:16.46 | Rui|zZz | going... |
| 00:16.49 | Rui|zZz | sure |
| 00:17.05 | pieterc | is it normal i have to scroll horizontally from time to time? |
| 00:17.22 | pieterc | or is that an enlightenment thing? |
| 00:17.56 | Rui|zZz | it's normal, means there are bubbles expanding horizontally (due to long urls, for instance) |
| 00:18.05 | pieterc | yes indeed |
| 00:18.31 | pieterc | ain't there a way to disable that? for instance by choopping those url's when they're getting to long? |
| 00:18.52 | Rui|zZz | anchorblocks should, IMHO, do char wrap instead of wordwrap |
| 00:19.32 | Rui|zZz | the solution has to be this, because otherwise you're probably hurting usability. |
| 00:20.10 | Rui|zZz | I already don't like url shortners because you can't see beforehand where they'll lead, much less if you simply drop them. |
| 00:20.20 | pieterc | hmmm.. You could put up a link and when that link is reaching over a max amount of chars it should have a linefeed where / is at... isn't that cleaner? |
| 00:21.30 | Rui|zZz | pieterc: what about when you rotate your phone? :) |
| 00:21.42 | Rui|zZz | the line feed will still be there, but now it looks like crap |
| 00:21.47 | pieterc | Rui|zZz: and the keyboard to be fucked? ;) |
| 00:21.48 | Rui|zZz | the solution is fixing the anchorblocks to do word wrap |
| 00:22.09 | pieterc | to charwrapping when url? |
| 00:22.15 | Rui|zZz | I think I know what should be needed to do that, but it'll have to wait |
| 00:22.25 | pieterc | ok |
| 00:22.26 | Rui|zZz | pieterc: I didn't understand you... |
| 00:22.56 | pieterc | drop it :) |
| 00:23.14 | pieterc | I'm happy it will be fixed some day ;) |
| 00:23.26 | pieterc | I got another question yet |
| 00:23.51 | pieterc | is there a way to change the browser to links instead of midori? |
| 00:23.54 | pieterc | or is that hardcoded? |
| 00:23.59 | Rui|zZz | the keyboard is launched by pressing on text input areas, I can't much help it... |
| 00:24.02 | Rui|zZz | you have untill my last bitbake test ends... |
| 00:24.23 | Rui|zZz | pieterc: it's hardcoded to try a set of them |
| 00:25.03 | Rui|zZz | woosh, then midori, then dillo, then xdg-open |
| 00:25.12 | Rui|zZz | by this order. |
| 00:25.23 | pieterc | aww no links |
| 00:25.40 | pieterc | how about putting that in the config? |
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| 00:25.50 | pieterc | shouldn't have a gui, but at least should be in the config file |
| 00:25.51 | pieterc | no? |
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| 00:55.20 | feugan3333 | Hi guys. What is preferred filesystem type for sd-cards for my freerunner? I want to repartition my sd card. Is it best to use an ext3 filesystem or vfat? |
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| 01:10.30 | pieterc | feugan3333: ext3 |
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| 01:11.28 | feugan3333 | pieterc, Ok thanks |
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| 01:12.33 | pieterc | vfat will work aswel but ext3 is simply better in many ways :) If you want to use it with that windows kind of operating system (the SD card) as well, you should use vfat |
| 01:12.45 | pieterc | but that would be the only reason to use vfat I can think of :) |
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| 01:16.11 | feugan3333 | pieterc, Luckily I don't even have a windows system :) |
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| 02:27.46 | slaxxer | latest tango is different |
| 02:38.38 | gonzoism | i noticed that |
| 02:39.02 | gonzoism | i like it |
| 02:39.02 | gonzoism | more screen area |
| 02:40.57 | slaxxer | trying to get debian on sd |
| 02:41.15 | gonzoism | the start menu for enlightenment should be on the left side of the drop down illume bar |
| 02:41.38 | gonzoism | either that or the menus should all go to the left, rather than the right... |
| 02:42.14 | slaxxer | on debian or latest shr or tango? |
| 02:42.26 | slaxxer | tango |
| 02:42.54 | gonzoism | christmas shr |
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| 06:11.56 | naught101 | what's the freerunner's battery life like? |
| 06:13.58 | naught101 | and does the US store post to australia? |
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| 06:27.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | naught101: you probably want to buy EU, yanks use 850meg instead of 900 |
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| 08:07.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you can't switch GSM antenna, and you don't usually want to switch GPS antenna (though you actually can. It's switched off wenn connecting external GPS antenna) |
| 08:09.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | usually you switch the whole GPS, and the GSM modem or at least its transceiver (at+cfun) |
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| 08:30.29 | gonzoism | DocScrutinizer-8 are your above statements in response to mine about having the antennas on ? |
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| 12:01.32 | pbaxter | hi all |
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| 12:49.33 | bhuvi | does anybody know the cost of openmoko phones in india? |
| 12:50.10 | SpeedEvil | openmoko.com, and follow the links to the retailers? |
| 12:50.45 | pbaxter | bhuvi: just buy in another country |
| 12:52.47 | bhuvi | in asia i could find retailers only in northern india |
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| 12:54.53 | pbaxter | bhuvi: openmoko.com |
| 12:55.01 | pbaxter | and you buy from US or from Germany |
| 12:59.52 | bhuvi | i fear that the shipping costs will be higher |
| 13:00.59 | pbaxter | bhuvi: don't know |
| 13:01.25 | pbaxter | more yes but not so much i think |
| 13:01.25 | pbaxter | just see prices |
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| 14:26.35 | Ddorda | did anyone succeed to install epdfview on SHR? |
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| 14:48.06 | spacepluk | hi, I think I'm suffering the buzz issue. Anybody has done the hadware fix? |
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| 14:53.30 | [Rui] | I have had it doen |
| 14:53.36 | [Rui] | s/doen/done |
| 14:59.17 | spacepluk | [Rui]: Did you make the soldering yourself? Is it too difficult? |
| 14:59.41 | spacepluk | and, does it works fine? heheh |
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| 15:00.41 | [Rui] | spacepluk: "have had it done" means I got someone else to do it :) |
| 15:00.47 | [Rui] | to me it would be super hard |
| 15:02.58 | spacepluk | Ups, I misread :P |
| 15:03.50 | spacepluk | does it solve the problem? |
| 15:04.15 | [Rui] | yes |
| 15:04.25 | spacepluk | Mine does A LOT of noise. |
| 15:05.18 | spacepluk | Do you know if this is the right fix? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
| 15:05.28 | [Rui] | no... |
| 15:05.34 | [Rui] | no I don't know |
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| 15:05.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | it is |
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| 15:09.11 | spacepluk | thanks :) |
| 15:12.41 | redarrow | can someone give suggestions what a one year old openmoko is still worth? |
| 15:18.27 | spacepluk | redarrow: It's worth it if you're willing to spend time on it. |
| 15:20.19 | spacepluk | mmm, my second misread I better go for a walk :P |
| 15:21.06 | redarrow | hmm |
| 15:21.57 | spacepluk | redarrow: you can put an eye on ebay, and see how they're selling. |
| 15:22.22 | redarrow | I got an offer of 150 EUR ... I just want to know if the price is ok, or if I might have to discuss the price |
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| 15:29.01 | redarrow | spacepluk: hmm, the german ebay has hundreds of Invisible Shields one openmoko for 30,50 EUR (one week still left) and one openmoko wikireader for 129 EUR |
| 15:35.42 | PaulFertser | I bought a regular TS protector (which is enough to protect screens of 2 FR's) in a local shop for ~10EUR. |
| 15:35.59 | spacepluk | redarrow: I got my freerunner new for about 200 EUR, a year ago. I guess it's a fair price. |
| 15:36.10 | PaulFertser | I can't see any need for a "full-body" protection or for anything more advanced than a regular TS protector. |
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| 15:36.36 | max_posedon | 129 euro for wikireader? it costs 120$ with delivery from amazon |
| 15:38.23 | redarrow | max_posedon: I just say what I can see ... |
| 15:38.35 | redarrow | but the wikireader is not what I want ... |
| 15:38.48 | redarrow | so the price is unimportant for me |
| 15:39.39 | redarrow | max_posedon: can you say me what the number (e.g. A7) in the name means? |
| 15:41.53 | max_posedon | it means, that phone have buzz fix from openmoko (most recent hardware rev) |
| 15:42.03 | max_posedon | and few less important small fixes as I know |
| 15:43.37 | redarrow | if the openmoko is one year old can I find information of the Version of it? |
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| 15:52.51 | redarrow | max_posedon: are the fixes only software fixes or might there also changes on the hardware? |
| 16:02.24 | max_posedon | hardware's |
| 16:05.24 | max_posedon | openmoko as company don't do any software now |
| 16:05.32 | max_posedon | (neo related) |
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| 17:44.20 | redarrow | max_posedon: sorry, for my late respons, if I pay only 80 EUR more for a new Openmoko with 2 years guarantee than it is the 80 EUR worth? |
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| 17:44.54 | max_posedon | openmoko what? |
| 17:45.05 | max_posedon | openmoko phone, or openmoko wikireader? |
| 17:45.14 | redarrow | openmoko phone |
| 17:45.27 | max_posedon | as for this, I don't know) |
| 17:46.41 | redarrow | I just try to figure out wether a one year old openmoko phone is a price of 150 EUR worth, when the new Openmoko phone cost 229 EUR |
| 17:49.26 | lindi- | redarrow: A5? |
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| 17:50.27 | max_posedon | neo freerunner costs ~250eur for device. and 10k eur for your time |
| 17:50.29 | redarrow | lindi-: I don't know the version - I just heard from one of my friends that he is unhappy with his openmoko (he just wants to take phonecalls) and he wants to sell his |
| 17:50.37 | max_posedon | why you care about device price?) |
| 17:51.25 | redarrow | max_posedon: I'm a student ... there is no money, but time ;) |
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| 17:59.41 | cz_jc | redarrow, if you like fiddling with your phone and don't care about very bad gui performance, you'll love the Freerunner |
| 17:59.59 | cz_jc | redarrow, also don't expect to plug in headphones and listen to mp3s |
| 18:00.14 | cz_jc | other than those screwups, its pretty ok. big memory, decent cpu performance |
| 18:03.15 | redarrow | cz_jc: I have an mp3-player wich works fine so I don't need the openmoko to listen to musik, I just want an device for 'fiddling' (name it as you want) |
| 18:03.43 | cz_jc | redarrow, then you'll be very happy |
| 18:04.16 | cz_jc | redarrow, you can upload code into ram via USB and execute it via u-boot.. and its actually encouraged for example XD |
| 18:04.33 | redarrow | cz_jc: I don't want to use it as a telephone mainly - I think this is why many people sell their openmoko after a very short time |
| 18:05.26 | cz_jc | redarrow, well as a phone itself, it works good enough for casual usage. its just that from such a thing, you'd expect it'd be able to do some multimedia |
| 18:05.27 | redarrow | + the main problem - somewhere |
| 18:05.57 | cz_jc | redarrow, also great as a gps |
| 18:06.11 | cz_jc | redarrow, not for driving though, those apps suck |
| 18:06.40 | redarrow | cz_jc: If I had known this I hadn't bought my Garmin Vista HCx ;) |
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| 18:07.22 | cz_jc | redarrow, oh well, at least you have a backup ;) |
| 18:09.02 | redarrow | I might compare both gps tracks and merge them while logging for osm ;) |
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| 19:13.32 | mattboll | hi all |
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| 19:57.32 | ramo102 | Hi, I'm trying to boot from NOR flash, but, when choosing "set console to USB", it gives me error. And if I connect to my pc via usb cable, the bootup screen is showed, but then the device hangs. |
| 19:58.49 | lindi- | redarrow: what error?' |
| 19:59.38 | redarrow | lindi-: I'm not ramo102 ;) |
| 19:59.45 | lindi- | whoops |
| 20:00.13 | lindi- | ramo102: ^ |
| 20:00.14 | ramo102 | lindi, it simply returns me to the main menu |
| 20:00.41 | lindi- | ramo102: that is not an error |
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