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| 00:12.41 | mike | hello all |
| 00:14.54 | Guest30809 | im trying to ssh into my fresh freerunner system and its not letting me with a blank password |
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| 00:15.18 | Guest30809 | SHR |
| 00:16.16 | Guest30809 | latest bin |
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| 02:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | BOOOOOO! wakeup! |
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| 02:18.43 | naquan | hi, everyone. I'm trying to flash Moko11 GSM firmware, could you please tell me a way to check the boot image written to uSD card? my uSD is not reliable so i want to check if some thing is wrong. |
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| 02:28.37 | naquan | I'm sorry, don't bother it now, I flashed the firmware and it seems ok. :) |
| 02:28.39 | ndnihil | naquan: you should be able to stick it in your workstation/laptop and mount it if I remember right |
| 02:28.43 | ndnihil | ah |
| 02:29.25 | ndnihil | DocScrutinizer51: feeling better? |
| 02:30.36 | naquan | ndnihil: thank you, I don't have the uSD reader and the adapter seems to be broken, that's why I said it's unreliable :) |
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| 02:46.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | naquan: it worked? just try... If you see sth green you're done |
| 02:47.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: well, 2 beers improved my mood. Still I feel like inventor od spanish flu :-/ |
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| 02:50.00 | naquan | DocScrutinizer-8: yes, it works now, I seed the green lines and a login promt, I logged in through ssh and "init 0". Thank you :) |
| 02:50.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | welcome. love to hear it worked :-) |
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| 03:40.22 | gonzoism | what is the difference between maemo and mer ? |
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| 04:01.09 | gonzoism | mer is open source and maemo is closed source. |
| 04:02.16 | KenYoung | gonzoism, Is that the only difference? |
| 04:03.21 | gonzoism | i don't think so. but i think that is the main one. |
| 04:03.53 | gonzoism | i asked in #mer and got: gonzoism: Mer aims to be open source, whereas Maemo is closed |
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| 04:04.49 | KenYoung | gonzoism, I must confess, I've never even heard of mer. |
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| 04:08.58 | gonzoism | i had heard of it on the openmoko wiki. android is the only thing i had heard of besides openmoko before i got the phone. i knew there was more, just hadn't looked around. |
| 04:09.25 | gonzoism | mer is said to be %100 compatible with the freerunner. fully supported. its on the openmoko wiki under distributions. |
| 04:09.51 | KenYoung | gonzoism, Thanks for the info - I'll check it out. |
| 04:10.18 | gonzoism | my pleasure |
| 04:11.45 | KenYoung | gonzoism, It's sorta sad the installation notes use the subjunctive tense. |
| 04:13.06 | gonzoism | heh |
| 04:13.38 | gonzoism | i think it didn't get updated. there is a maemo and mer wiki. i went to it. |
| 04:13.42 | gonzoism | want the url ? |
| 04:14.02 | KenYoung | gonzoism, Yes, please. |
| 04:14.32 | gonzoism | http://wiki.maemo.org you can find mer on there. |
| 04:14.50 | KenYoung | Thanks |
| 04:14.52 | gonzoism | i didn't see a mer wiki, but i wasn't looking for it, and it likely exists. |
| 04:14.59 | gonzoism | :) |
| 04:16.37 | gonzoism | is there a better game than Numpty Physics ? |
| 04:17.22 | gonzoism | i just love that game. everyone i show it to gets instantly addicted. |
| 04:17.30 | gonzoism | its fun ! |
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| 04:35.27 | gonzoism | KenYoung: i think its using the subjunctive tense because nobody has updated the page. |
| 04:35.36 | gonzoism | that's sad too. :) |
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| 06:49.36 | naquan | excuse me, could anyone please tell me how to get the elementary package install in SHR? I called "opkg install elementary" and it return a "can not find package" error. I need elementary to install intone-video. |
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| 09:13.33 | skamster | hello all |
| 09:13.58 | skamster | i just want to ask how i could install the game geekocotchi |
| 09:14.09 | skamster | which is in the shr-git |
| 09:14.16 | skamster | but not in the shr-repos |
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| 09:17.34 | ndnihil | wget <package> |
| 09:17.38 | ndnihil | opkg install <package> |
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| 09:41.45 | tomcatek | I have recent shr-unstable and having a problems with running navit. anyone got the same issue and maybye some solution? |
| 09:42.01 | skamster | ndnihil: it isn't so easy.. :s |
| 09:42.31 | skamster | there is just some code on git.shr-project.org with a little description, but no package |
| 09:42.47 | skamster | but maybe someone does make a package..? |
| 09:43.16 | ndnihil | tried opkg.org or angstrom dist? |
| 09:44.23 | ndnihil | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ |
| 09:45.01 | skamster | nothing in opkg.org.. and i don't belive it's in angstrom, because it's a shr-thing.. but i will look.. maybe.. |
| 09:45.19 | skamster | (i mean, maybe there it is, not maybe i will look ;) ) |
| 09:46.34 | skamster | also nothing |
| 09:47.52 | skamster | mmh, ok, i'm just interessting.. maybe they wait for a release |
| 09:48.39 | skamster | ah, but another question.. i want to delete all my contacts from my simcard.. but there's no more clear for contacts in shr-settings.. |
| 09:48.51 | skamster | is this a bug or would it be removed? |
| 09:49.18 | ndnihil | dunno, haven't messed with contacts in a while |
| 09:49.28 | ndnihil | and the shr I'm running is quite old |
| 09:51.18 | skamster | ah, ok.. |
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| 10:37.10 | _Andrew | Is there any new information on the newer model that's being worked on for next year? |
| 10:38.59 | Weiss | _Andrew: GTA02-core you mean? |
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| 11:00.39 | _Andrew | GTA03 |
| 11:03.53 | PaulFertser | _Andrew: it's cancelled |
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| 11:05.13 | _Andrew | oh |
| 11:07.49 | _Andrew | ah yes I read on wikipedia now |
| 11:07.54 | _Andrew | rip openmoko I guess |
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| 11:11.07 | Weiss | Wikireader sales perhaps say otherwise :) |
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| 11:21.28 | sakhi | where can I buy Open Moko phone in South Africa |
| 11:21.30 | sakhi | ? |
| 11:26.36 | tg | there's a distributor list on openmoko.com iirc |
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| 12:04.17 | edje2 | hi all, i use shr-dialer with an X server with twm as a window manager. the shr-dialer window is real tiny, is there a way to set the shr-dialer window size ? |
| 12:06.52 | PaulFertser | edje2: are you using ophonekitd-based version? |
| 12:06.52 | edje2 | yes |
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| 12:07.36 | PaulFertser | edje2: then probably even if it is shr problem, it won't be fixed since the development is now all about phoneui stuff. |
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| 12:08.03 | PaulFertser | edje2: you probably want to set a custom parameter for twm to maximise the dialer window. |
| 12:08.50 | edje2 | ok, so time for me to look at the phoneui stuff then! ( the window size is fixed, you cannot change it in the windowmanager ) |
| 12:08.54 | lindi- | everslick: you probably could fix shr-dialer to give wm a hint about its size? |
| 12:10.01 | edje2 | well, if phoneui is the way forward, i will give that a try. any tutorials on how the phoneui works? ( what process handles incomming calls etc) |
| 12:11.10 | lindi- | never used phoneui |
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| 12:19.05 | PaulFertser | edje2: WM that is used in SHR always enlarges the window size to fullscreen. |
| 12:20.01 | edje2 | hmm, yes i thought that much, so little change to use it on another WM then right. i just need e |
| 12:20.28 | PaulFertser | edje2: yes, here on debian shr-dialer works "ok" with illume. |
| 12:20.38 | PaulFertser | edje2: i think the same is right for matchbox-wm |
| 12:22.27 | edje2 | ah, ok so i will start to do a little "windows shopping" :-) |
| 12:25.49 | PaulFertser | edje2: phonui is using fso. And opimd :d |
| 12:27.40 | edje2 | well, i am not to interested in fancy features, making calls and sending text messages is good enough. |
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| 12:29.12 | PaulFertser | edje2: opimd should be really good to have |
| 12:29.37 | edje2 | ok, what are the real benefits ? |
| 12:31.29 | PaulFertser | edje2: unlimited storage for messages and contacts |
| 12:31.51 | edje2 | ah, ok, now my sim card is full with 16 mesages :-D |
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| 12:32.02 | PaulFertser | See? ;) |
| 12:32.36 | edje2 | so far i have no yet hiet the contacs limmit |
| 12:32.41 | edje2 | hit* |
| 12:34.00 | Q-Master | edje2: the real benefit is that any contact might have multiple numbers, e-mails, icqs, jabbers etc. |
| 12:36.01 | edje2 | ah, ok, well for me that is just a "nice to have" now i use "gsm_joe" home_joe" etc for diffrent numbers |
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| 12:37.54 | Q-Master | edje2: lucky you if you have less than 10 person to talk. |
| 12:38.08 | Q-Master | edje2: I have more than 150 |
| 12:38.26 | Q-Master | many of them with 2 or 3 phone numbers.... |
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| 15:59.46 | d1b | erh shr damn! |
| 15:59.59 | d1b | midori i can't hit the rest of the settings for :( |
| 16:00.07 | d1b | so i can't pretend to be an ipoo anymore :( |
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| 16:05.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | major pita. midori prefs dialogs should have been fixed "last year" |
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| 16:06.12 | d1b | DocScrutinizer-8: they worked in the sept release. |
| 16:06.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | duh, they did?? |
| 16:06.20 | d1b | yep |
| 16:06.31 | d1b | *someone* decided to break stuff again |
| 16:06.33 | d1b | :P |
| 16:07.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | d1b: so /join #openmoko-cdevel and kick some asses please ;-D |
| 16:07.33 | d1b | DocScrutinizer-8: lol |
| 16:07.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nah, no kidding |
| 16:07.52 | d1b | if android didn't have this big suspend bug. |
| 16:07.56 | d1b | i would be using that. |
| 16:09.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | honestly, join *cdevel, and raise the issue to mrmoku please |
| 16:09.46 | d1b | i did |
| 16:10.00 | d1b | the other issue is the totally unreliable gsm activiation. |
| 16:10.05 | d1b | debian / android can do it no problems. |
| 16:10.12 | d1b | (request my sim pin) |
| 16:10.18 | d1b | shr .... is iffy. |
| 16:13.43 | idarwin | Re: "iffy". Here's anecdotal evidence, of what I'm not sure. I used to be sad that I had to take the battery out of my SHR OM GTA02(a5) a couple of times a week. Last week I met an old friend with a BBery Storm. She was whinging that she has to take the battery out and reset it several times *a day*! She was also whinging about this the week before at a meeting, when somebody else held up a Storm and said "me too - 3x/day". Theirs is for logic lo |
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| 16:23.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | all reasonably recent SHR should power down at least on 8seconds powerbutton hold |
| 16:24.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | WiFi kernel driver might cause a PANIC though. This *could* result in total lockup that needs bat removal |
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| 17:34.44 | _Fox_Muldr | anyone know the problem why debian can't update the python-apt package ? i got an error like "File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 2112 SyntaxError: invalid syntax" |
| 17:35.00 | _Fox_Muldr | and in this line is an "else:" statement |
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| 18:46.11 | stongo | hello |
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| 18:49.32 | stongo | has anyone tried the nov 30 shr-u image? |
| 18:50.12 | stongo | I can't figure out how to turn on wifi to save my life... it's not in the connectivity settings like it used to be |
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| 19:17.17 | PaulFertser | stongo: read the FSO_Resources wiki page please |
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| 19:28.55 | stongo | paulfertser: so it's been removed from the settings in favour of having to manually start it? |
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| 19:29.21 | PaulFertser | stongo: i do not think so. |
| 19:29.54 | stongo | but it has been removed from the latest image.... |
| 19:30.19 | PaulFertser | stongo: do you mean you want to have a gui to alter resource policies? |
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| 19:40.17 | stongo | paul: there's no longe ra GUI for turning wifi on and off |
| 19:44.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | stongo: moved to mokonnect I'd guess |
| 19:45.14 | stongo | mokonnect crashes as soon as launched |
| 19:45.31 | stongo | I guess maybe the latest image isn't very usable at this point |
| 19:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, see channel topic |
| 19:54.19 | PaulFertser | stongo: there's no notion of turning "on and off", forget about it! |
| 19:54.31 | PaulFertser | stongo: have you actually read what's written on the page? |
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| 19:59.19 | stongo | paul: it says it's set to auto, but it obviously doesn't work |
| 19:59.29 | stongo | so I was hoping there was still a GUI to manually do it |
| 20:00.36 | stongo | I've never been able to connect to wifi using mokonnect |
| 20:00.56 | stongo | i've always had to install mofi and manually create a wpa_supplicant.conf for mofi to work |
| 20:01.50 | stongo | there's still a manual gui switch for bluetooth |
| 20:03.21 | TAsn | Recommended: old-images/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
| 20:03.28 | TAsn | WTH?! who set that crap? |
| 20:03.43 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, was it you? |
| 20:05.19 | PaulFertser | stongo: please read the fucking page |
| 20:08.23 | stongo | paul: what am I missing? "However, it is possible to throw a "hard switch" to force the resource to be always enabled or disabled, regardless of what applications request it. This can be done with the help of the SHR Settings GUI or from the command line using an appropriate mdbus call." |
| 20:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: yes! |
| 20:10.09 | TAsn | why? |
| 20:10.20 | TAsn | people (especially me) like the new image :P |
| 20:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 20:10.35 | stongo | and i'm bitching because the wifi SHR settings GUI is not longer there |
| 20:10.41 | TAsn | because it's not the one we recommend |
| 20:10.59 | stongo | Tasn: I agree. the one you recommend is far more stable and usable |
| 20:11.02 | PaulFertser | stongo: changing resource policies is for testing/debugging purposes only |
| 20:11.20 | TAsn | stongo, was that sarcasm? |
| 20:11.22 | TAsn | :P |
| 20:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | aah ya. I asked a lot of people to ping me when new image is *really* usable for daily phone. Until that happend and I checked, that title won't change |
| 20:11.42 | TAsn | so please check. |
| 20:11.46 | PaulFertser | And everyone who disagrees will be kicked :E |
| 20:11.46 | TAsn | latest image opkg upgrade |
| 20:11.46 | TAsn | :P |
| 20:11.46 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 20:12.04 | stongo | hahah sarcastic ;) |
| 20:12.19 | stongo | the old image is definitely better at this point |
| 20:12.29 | TAsn | stongo, no idea what you are talking about. |
| 20:12.35 | TAsn | What's wrong with the new one? |
| 20:12.43 | TAsn | because to tell you the truth |
| 20:12.46 | TAsn | I can't fix what's not broken :| |
| 20:12.48 | PaulFertser | TAsn: he can't understand fso resource policies |
| 20:13.00 | stongo | what is there not to understand? |
| 20:13.02 | TAsn | PaulFertser, oh, sounds like a big bug in shr. |
| 20:13.05 | stongo | I can't connect to wifi |
| 20:13.14 | PaulFertser | TAsn: you see ;) read the backlog |
| 20:13.20 | ssam | when opkg updated the new shr on tuesday all hell broke loose (messages/contacts/etc would not open), and i went back to sundays image. is it safe to opkg upgrade today? |
| 20:13.58 | TAsn | ssam, we don't break the image anymore |
| 20:14.00 | TAsn | it's not our style |
| 20:14.03 | TAsn | if something breaks |
| 20:14.05 | TAsn | let us know. |
| 20:14.11 | TAsn | it's always safe to upgrade nowdays |
| 20:14.58 | stongo | paul: so your argument is that i'm dumb because I'd prefer to have a GUI to manually set resource policy? |
| 20:15.20 | ssam | tasn, i asked in cdevel and "<max_posedon> ssam, it was big mistake to update today)" |
| 20:15.35 | stongo | sounds great to take out the GUI and have resources start automatically, if everything actually works |
| 20:15.39 | TAsn | ssam, hehe |
| 20:15.43 | TAsn | well from what I know |
| 20:15.46 | ssam | does nowadys not include tuesday :-) |
| 20:15.46 | TAsn | we don't break stuff anymore |
| 20:15.59 | TAsn | probably tuesday was an exception |
| 20:16.07 | TAsn | I don't like tuesdays anyway |
| 20:16.20 | ssam | never did get the hang of tuesdays |
| 20:16.42 | TAsn | exactly. :P |
| 20:16.45 | TAsn | ssam, though actually |
| 20:16.50 | TAsn | if you can wait |
| 20:16.51 | TAsn | don't upgrade ATM |
| 20:16.54 | TAsn | because we are building |
| 20:16.58 | TAsn | new cool stuff |
| 20:17.02 | ssam | :-) ok |
| 20:17.06 | TAsn | so if you are anxious, wait a moment or two :P |
| 20:17.11 | TAsn | (#openmoko-cdevel for updates) |
| 20:19.14 | slaxxer | +cheese |
| 20:22.00 | slaxxer | when can i upgrade ? |
| 20:22.37 | TAsn | why not? |
| 20:22.43 | TAsn | I opkg upgrade daily |
| 20:22.50 | slaxxer | ok i will try |
| 20:23.02 | TAsn | (sometime even build my own when it's repos don't build fast enough) |
| 20:23.08 | TAsn | slaxxer, you'll get you have nothing to upgrade |
| 20:23.11 | TAsn | (build host issues) |
| 20:25.43 | stongo | so am I the only one where mokonnect crashes on launch? |
| 20:25.52 | TAsn | probably. |
| 20:26.05 | TAsn | run from terminal |
| 20:26.07 | TAsn | and tell us what you get. |
| 20:26.42 | stongo | ok |
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| 20:28.36 | slaxxer | win.destroy = shutdown |
| 20:29.07 | slaxxer | no attribute destroy |
| 20:29.15 | stongo | stupid irc won't let me paste it |
| 20:29.49 | stongo | it says usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py242:DeprecationWarning... |
| 20:29.55 | slaxxer | 20091130 |
| 20:29.55 | stongo | and then what slaxxer says |
| 20:30.37 | stongo | yup, that's the image i'm having problems with |
| 20:31.20 | PaulFertser | stongo: my argument is that you're dumb (it's your words, not mine ;) ) because you want to set a resource policy manually when in fact everything should work with "auto" resource policy. |
| 20:31.27 | slaxxer | whats the ssh passwd anyways |
| 20:32.08 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.20 | stongo | paul: but you admitted that turning it on manually is useful for debugging...and this image is obviously still in need of debugging... |
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| 20:32.29 | stongo | and I know mokonnect used to crash when wifi wasn't enabled |
| 20:32.44 | stongo | so maybe i'm not so fucking dumb |
| 20:34.02 | stongo | sounds like the retarded argument for removing the settings icon wrench in om2008.x |
| 20:34.30 | stongo | "you shouldn't need to go there anyway, so we removed it." |
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| 20:35.51 | PaulFertser | stongo: it's not me who removed it. And i do not found it logical to have a button to alter bluetooth policy but to leave the wifi button out. |
| 20:36.00 | slaxxer | tasn i seem to have no password for ssh |
| 20:36.20 | TAsn | slaxxer, we switched to open-ssh |
| 20:36.25 | PaulFertser | stongo: please do not be offended but it still seems to me you do not understand the concept, the idea, the vision behind the policies. |
| 20:36.26 | TAsn | instead of dropbear |
| 20:36.31 | slaxxer | oic |
| 20:36.43 | TAsn | and set it |
| 20:36.47 | TAsn | not to allow empty root passwords |
| 20:36.58 | TAsn | so you need to set a root password if you want to use ssh |
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| 20:39.27 | stongo | paul: I get the concept, it's not that difficult to grasp. But I don't get why this policy would be forced on an unstable distro, where having easy access to manually overriding resource policies is very useful |
| 20:39.42 | slaxxer | anybody using the .31 kernel? |
| 20:39.57 | Weiss | slaxxer: intermittently.. |
| 20:40.17 | slaxxer | no gsm? |
| 20:40.33 | Weiss | nope, FSO needs to be updated to use it (apparently) |
| 20:41.09 | stongo | slaxxer: gsm is turned off by default it seems, and the automatic resource handling should turn it on, apparently |
| 20:41.20 | stongo | only when you launch the dialer |
| 20:41.22 | slaxxer | :) |
| 20:41.42 | PaulFertser | stongo: come on, it's gnu/linux, just create a script that calls mdbus and create a shortcut ;) |
| 20:41.43 | slaxxer | Configuration file '/etc/libphoneui.conf' |
| 20:41.43 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.43 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.44 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.44 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.45 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.47 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.49 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.02 | PaulFertser | stongo: i'm not defending the decision to remove the switch, but i'm trying to justify it's not really needed. |
| 20:42.02 | slaxxer | what to do? install it? |
| 20:42.08 | TAsn | no |
| 20:42.19 | roh | rebooting the projects vm. |
| 20:42.22 | TAsn | actually that's the only unstable thing in the upgrade |
| 20:42.29 | TAsn | this config file breaks stuff :P |
| 20:42.30 | slaxxer | ok |
| 20:43.07 | TAsn | ssam, the only thing that's broken is this ^ |
| 20:43.18 | ssam | ok |
| 20:43.35 | stongo | paul: not absolutely necessary, but it's damn useful |
| 20:43.45 | ssam | it it worth waiting a few mins for the fix, or will it take longer |
| 20:44.00 | TAsn | ssam, longer. |
| 20:44.05 | TAsn | Bug in OE |
| 20:44.13 | TAsn | mrmoku is trying to trace and fix :| |
| 20:44.20 | slaxxer | yay |
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| 20:46.01 | slaxxer | will the neo theme operate correctly? |
| 20:46.29 | TAsn | no idea. |
| 20:46.34 | TAsn | never tested that one. |
| 20:47.07 | slaxxer | i dont care fro that blinding white light behind the icons |
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| 20:47.42 | slaxxer | isnt black cheaper |
| 20:48.12 | ssam | i thought white was cheaper on lcd |
| 20:48.23 | slaxxer | i dont know |
| 20:48.36 | ssam | you have to apply a voltage to get black |
| 20:49.01 | ssam | might depend on the lcd tech, TN, IPS, VA etc |
| 20:49.11 | roh | hm.. no weird permissions... well... works again |
| 20:52.35 | PaulFertser | roh: hey, congrats :) |
| 20:52.44 | roh | ? |
| 20:53.02 | PaulFertser | roh: rebooted successfully, completed the task, now you can continue with more interesting stuff :) |
| 20:53.20 | roh | didnt do anything, just stop and start since ive seen a mail from a user by accident (klicked on the wrong folder) |
| 20:53.26 | roh | he was lucky |
| 20:54.27 | roh | IF i fixed his problem.... anyhow.. i still get mails from trac.. i guess.. so use admin trac if something stops working. |
| 20:55.02 | roh | how is stuff progressing elsewise? |
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| 20:55.42 | roh | were there any changes in uboot or so? still have a bricked device from a friend of a friend here to unbrick... wasnt urgent enough |
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| 20:56.36 | PaulFertser | roh: unbrick? bricked? what are you talking about? ;) |
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| 20:57.17 | roh | PaulFertser i just remembered that i still got that gta02 around which somebody wants back some time when fixed. |
| 20:57.28 | roh | havent touched any moko bit in month |
| 20:57.59 | roh | besides skimming gta02-core lists and following nanonote loosely |
| 20:59.08 | PaulFertser | roh: you know it's better than me that gta02 should have nor bootloader so you can flash anything to nand... |
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| 21:04.25 | roh | Paul yeah.. but somehow thatb one seems to have garbage in both |
| 21:04.33 | roh | or something like that.. will see... |
| 21:04.48 | roh | guess will get thee bats charged first *g* |
| 21:08.50 | PaulFertser | roh: there were some devices with empty nor, luckily you still have a functional dboard around :) And i prefer qi btw. ;) |
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| 21:14.57 | ssam | tasn, apart from /etc/libphoneui.conf i should accept the maintainers versions of config files, right? |
| 21:15.04 | TAsn | yes. |
| 21:15.11 | Bert_2 | Hi, apparently shr-unstable has a root password now, what is it ? |
| 21:15.14 | TAsn | ssam, alsa apart from |
| 21:15.16 | TAsn | libphone-utils.conf |
| 21:15.20 | TAsn | as you want to keep yours :P |
| 21:15.31 | TAsn | always diff before accepting maintainers version |
| 21:15.37 | TAsn | that's a good rule of thumb. |
| 21:16.02 | ssam | ok, thanks |
| 21:16.25 | Bert_2 | Any shr-unstable users here who are trying the image of 30 november |
| 21:16.33 | Bert_2 | ? |
| 21:17.26 | ssam | Bert_2, no default password, but you can't log in with an empty password via ssh |
| 21:17.41 | ssam | use the terminal on the phone to set it |
| 21:17.56 | Bert_2 | ssam: that's new, I used to just press enter, what am I supposed to do now to log in via ssh ? |
| 21:18.04 | Bert_2 | what, on the phone ? :O |
| 21:18.09 | Bert_2 | ewww :P |
| 21:18.27 | Bert_2 | (BTW: I hate the mini terminal app) |
| 21:18.27 | ssam | they switched from dropbear -> openssh |
| 21:18.54 | TAsn | there's a new GUI app to set pass |
| 21:18.54 | TAsn | but buildhost issues |
| 21:18.58 | TAsn | made it not to install in that image :| |
| 21:19.21 | ssam | we dont want openmokos to get rickrolled like the iphone |
| 21:19.26 | Bert_2 | *sigh* thank god we're still in unstable :P |
| 21:19.34 | Bert_2 | rickrolling is fun :D |
| 21:19.53 | ndnihil | rickrolling? |
| 21:19.55 | TAsn | Bert_2, actually |
| 21:19.57 | Bert_2 | where is the ssh config file I have to edit ? |
| 21:20.04 | ndnihil | did you just step out of a time machine from 1998? |
| 21:20.10 | TAsn | Bert_2, actually, you DO NOT have to edit that. |
| 21:20.13 | TAsn | just vala-terminal |
| 21:20.17 | TAsn | "passwd" |
| 21:20.21 | TAsn | and set a root passwd... |
| 21:20.24 | TAsn | that's better :P |
| 21:20.30 | ssam | aaaarg phone keeps suspending during update |
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| 21:20.39 | Bert_2 | ssam: yeah, that's aweful |
| 21:20.43 | TAsn | ssam, fsodeviced reboot |
| 21:20.47 | TAsn | yeah, fucking annoying |
| 21:20.51 | Bert_2 | TAsn: just set it to empty, that's apparently not good |
| 21:20.58 | ssam | seems to still be going ok though |
| 21:21.01 | TAsn | Bert_2, yes |
| 21:21.06 | TAsn | set it to 1 if you don't want a pass |
| 21:21.07 | TAsn | :P |
| 21:21.24 | TAsn | a bug in fso that doesn't detect if the usb is already connected... |
| 21:21.30 | TAsn | Bert_2, though please choose a pass. |
| 21:21.30 | Bert_2 | god, now it's telling me it's too simpel... |
| 21:21.40 | TAsn | Bert_2, and it's right... |
| 21:21.44 | Bert_2 | ow wait, I can continue |
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| 21:21.51 | idarwin | set a sjlf9871*&19joiuj-like password and set up .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:22.01 | Bert_2 | 6 signs including a letter is more than enough |
| 21:22.08 | TAsn | idarwin, that's what I did. |
| 21:22.09 | Bert_2 | I live in a country with only noobs |
| 21:22.18 | TAsn | Bert_2, lolz. :) |
| 21:22.21 | Bert_2 | iDarwin ? |
| 21:22.36 | roh | PaulFertser we'll see how bored i am in december. soon we should get the lasercutter (next 2-3 weeks) then is 26C3 and after that new years parties everywhere. so i guess i either do soon or in january ;) |
| 21:22.36 | Bert_2 | alright, I'm in :D |
| 21:22.46 | idarwin | oi? |
| 21:22.50 | TAsn | anyhow, I'm off |
| 21:22.52 | TAsn | ciao. |
| 21:23.00 | roh | PaulFertser will you visit 26C3? |
| 21:23.00 | Bert_2 | bye TAsn |
| 21:23.17 | Bert_2 | BTW: anyone going to FOSDEM in febuary ? |
| 21:23.47 | [Rui] | hopefully I will |
| 21:24.11 | roh | never went there.. i guess i missed something |
| 21:24.46 | Bert_2 | roh: it's fun, though I haven't been to other FOSS events so I can't say whether it's better or not |
| 21:24.58 | TAsn | (FOSDEM) I wish I could |
| 21:24.58 | TAsn | :( |
| 21:25.01 | TAsn | now really ciao. |
| 21:25.10 | Bert_2 | [Rui]: do you know anything about the hardware problems/fixes ? |
| 21:26.44 | PaulFertser | roh: i wished i would. But it seems i felt too demotivated to prepare on time (visa+airplane tickets) and now it's too late. |
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| 21:28.19 | Bert_2 | I can go there by train very easily |
| 21:28.32 | Bert_2 | now I've read a lot about some SIM issue that caused shorter battery life |
| 21:28.41 | Bert_2 | but I have no idea how to verify I have and how to fix it |
| 21:28.50 | Bert_2 | and the mailing list stuff was kind of hard to get |
| 21:29.41 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: (going by train to ccc) lucky you (/me's green with envy) |
| 21:30.03 | roh | PaulFertser too bad |
| 21:30.17 | roh | PaulFertser visit the russian one |
| 21:30.24 | PaulFertser | roh: is there any? :-O |
| 21:30.27 | roh | or whatever is next to you |
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| 21:31.02 | PaulFertser | roh: nah, i'm sure that can't be as good as CCC :) Well, i'm not yet going to die the next year, so quite possibly i can manage to get to 27C3 :) |
| 21:31.16 | roh | PaulFertser we have a -enospace problem (the building doesnt scale.. we could use another floor extra in the last few years) so we thought of realtime-franchise: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/index.php/Dragons_everywhere |
| 21:31.25 | Bert_2 | could this be the reason why I always have to boot into NOR to get my moko to boot properly: http://pastebin.com/m258c0ed2 ? |
| 21:31.43 | roh | make your own hackcenter, watch streams of interresting talks, meet local hackers, drink and meet |
| 21:32.23 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i'd try Qi on nand. |
| 21:33.01 | PaulFertser | roh: that's a cool idea but needs some special organising skills and enough motivation. I do not posses either. |
| 21:33.24 | roh | well.. contact the guy who listed the jabber contact there and see what happens |
| 21:35.45 | PaulFertser | roh: cool, thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 21:36.19 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I read all over the wikis that I should stick to u-boot, or is that just a general line to scare away noobs ? |
| 21:36.49 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: no idea where did you read that. I'm a Qi advocate. |
| 21:37.48 | [Rui] | Bert_2: I know I have had my GTA02v5 buzz-fixed, and that it has still to get the #1024 bug to be fixed. if someone will provide the fix service @FOSDEM, that's a compelling reason to go AFAIC |
| 21:38.17 | [Rui] | Bert_2: check openmoko bug #1024 |
| 21:38.22 | [Rui] | bug #1024 |
| 21:38.41 | Bert_2 | yeah, it's 1024 I'm talking about |
| 21:39.02 | Bert_2 | I don't seem to have the buzz problem |
| 21:39.02 | Bert_2 | or no-one has told me about it anyway |
| 21:39.39 | [Rui] | Bert_2: if you can call your phone from another, it's a good way to test |
| 21:39.47 | [Rui] | Bert_2: or check wether it's a gta02v7 model |
| 21:39.57 | [Rui] | Bert_2: if it is, then you don't have buzz bug |
| 21:40.46 | Bert_2 | I believe I have v5, where can I most easily find the number |
| 21:41.06 | Bert_2 | ow wait, my u-boot USB mode says I'm GTA02v6 |
| 21:41.11 | Bert_2 | do I have the bug then ? |
| 21:42.21 | [Rui] | Bert_2: almost surely, unless you bought a v6 model with the buzz fix applied by the vendor |
| 21:42.28 | [Rui] | Bert_2: some vendors did/do that |
| 21:42.49 | Bert_2 | yeah, I probably have it then |
| 21:43.11 | Bert_2 | I guess I'll try to find a tech guy with some OM Neo FR knowledge at FOSDEM this year |
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| 21:44.52 | Bert_2 | but I'm off to bed now |
| 21:44.57 | Bert_2 | bye guys and thx for your help |
| 21:46.23 | PaulFertser | [Rui]: i think v7 is not any better wrt 1024 comparing to the previous revs. |
| 21:46.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 21:47.37 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: nopes, just better WRT buzz bug |
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| 21:52.46 | Bane^^ | Is there a way to set vibrator strength in shr-unstable? |
| 21:53.09 | Bane^^ | I tend to miss it when I have the phone in my pocket |
| 21:56.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | good point |
| 21:57.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: ^ |
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| 22:05.37 | TAsn | Bane^^, please open a ticket, for the sake of us all. :) I also want to turn vibrator to vibrate stronger :) |
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| 22:13.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: you tested if it isn't at max yet? |
| 22:13.39 | TAsn | no |
| 22:13.45 | TAsn | I didn't test anything. |
| 22:14.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: though I found it's more effective at lower settings |
| 22:14.23 | TAsn | what do you mean? |
| 22:15.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | cat >/sys/platform/*/foo/*vibrator/brightness |
| 22:15.20 | TAsn | sorry |
| 22:15.23 | TAsn | too tired ;) |
| 22:15.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: by what? |
| 22:15.27 | TAsn | remind me tomorrow. |
| 22:15.28 | TAsn | ;) |
| 22:15.35 | TAsn | bah |
| 22:15.38 | TAsn | but I really want to know |
| 22:15.38 | TAsn | sec |
| 22:15.40 | TAsn | will do it |
| 22:15.45 | TAsn | although I want to go to sleep :) |
| 22:16.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: my subjective feeling was vibrating is stronger on maybe 66% of full power |
| 22:16.50 | TAsn | 0 |
| 22:16.59 | TAsn | though it's not vibrating atm :) |
| 22:17.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: WAKE UP!! |
| 22:17.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | cat >/sys/platform/*/foo/*vibrator/brightness |
| 22:17.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | see the ">" |
| 22:17.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ? |
| 22:17.49 | TAsn | cat > /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/neo1973-vibrator.0/l |
| 22:17.49 | TAsn | eds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness |
| 22:17.50 | TAsn | ? :) |
| 22:19.25 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, what's 66%? |
| 22:19.31 | TAsn | I mean, what's the allowed range? |
| 22:20.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: no idea |
| 22:20.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | test |
| 22:20.30 | TAsn | 0-300 |
| 22:20.35 | TAsn | (or so it seems) |
| 22:20.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | either 100 or 255 |
| 22:20.44 | TAsn | 255 |
| 22:20.45 | TAsn | yeah :) |
| 22:21.30 | TAsn | lol |
| 22:21.32 | TAsn | actually |
| 22:21.37 | TAsn | 66% |
| 22:21.40 | TAsn | feels stronger |
| 22:21.48 | TAsn | because when it's really fast |
| 22:21.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | toldya |
| 22:21.52 | TAsn | you barely feel it |
| 22:21.53 | TAsn | :) |
| 22:22.00 | TAsn | though in 66 |
| 22:22.01 | TAsn | you do. |
| 22:22.02 | TAsn | ;) |
| 22:22.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | it's too fast ;-P |
| 22:22.05 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 22:22.35 | TAsn | anyhow, night. |
| 22:22.44 | TAsn | thanks for the info |
| 22:22.50 | TAsn | will test more tomorrow. :) |
| 22:22.56 | TAsn | (and will check what we do atm) |
| 22:23.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | TAsn: yw. night |
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