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| 03:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | whoever maintains CIA-54: PLEASE edit policy to post commit msgs to #openmoko-cdevel only! Otherwise we might consider to stop that posts |
| 03:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | mickey|bbl: that's your domain?? |
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| 04:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | 180 users . scary |
| 04:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | WAKE UP DROOGIES |
| 04:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | a "*hello*" from 180 terminals. That would make my day |
| 04:12.05 | ndnihil | herro! |
| 04:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | anti-chinese? ;-P |
| 04:12.45 | ndnihil | heheh |
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| 04:13.35 | ndnihil | a lot of people here in the states are out shopping |
| 04:13.43 | ndnihil | a day known as "black friday" |
| 04:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: I really feel depressed... And dunno exactly why |
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| 04:14.06 | ndnihil | the friday after thanksgiving (local holiday) marks the start of christmas shopping for most of these trolls |
| 04:14.18 | ndnihil | why depressed? |
| 04:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeew |
| 04:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, as I stated |
| 04:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | maybe because SHR is heading a direction I really don't appreciate |
| 04:15.14 | ndnihil | how so? |
| 04:15.33 | ndnihil | the "let's treat it like it's a laptop" direction? |
| 04:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | "it's easier to maintain" without any discussion where we want to go at all??? |
| 04:16.52 | ndnihil | yeah, I can see what you mean |
| 04:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | basically a sandbox for junior cosers |
| 04:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | coders |
| 04:18.21 | ndnihil | personally I'd like to see things go towards a more embedded device type approach |
| 04:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | once we had to strict guidance from product design mastermind, now we don't have *any* |
| 04:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | s/to/too |
| 04:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | even ainu bailed out somehow |
| 04:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | pure anarchy |
| 04:20.33 | ndnihil | sounds like it's time to start up yet another dist :) |
| 04:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | no masterplan at all |
| 04:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | YAYYY |
| 04:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | basically you're right |
| 04:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | still it hurts |
| 04:21.54 | ndnihil | if debian were easier to install, I could see it being a nice base |
| 04:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | even FSO implementing poorly thought stuff, like that new fckng alsa "scenario" format |
| 04:22.42 | ndnihil | I started out hating package management (early slackware adopter), but after a few major rewrites the debian folks seem to have gotten it right |
| 04:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | not compatible to any other non-FSO distri |
| 04:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | Ohh man |
| 04:23.31 | ndnihil | ick, hadn't heard about the new alsa plans |
| 04:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | debian nothing wrong with it |
| 04:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | except deb / apt maybe (me being RPM guy ;) |
| 04:24.13 | ndnihil | can't stand rpm |
| 04:24.30 | ndnihil | but most of that is probably from experiences with early redhat |
| 04:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | heh, let's fifgt about deb vs rpm :-DD |
| 04:25.18 | ndnihil | hah |
| 04:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, there's so much "solitary lost in desert" development =-( |
| 04:26.24 | ndnihil | that goes for mainstream platforms just as much as it does for the moko phones |
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| 04:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | seems we'd need a FSOSHROTTCON every 2nd onth |
| 04:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | Month even |
| 04:27.43 | raster | DocScrutinizer: boo! |
| 04:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | who'd ever think a base of 10k devices isn't hitting critical mass :-S |
| 04:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | raster: maeaeaeh |
| 04:28.56 | ndnihil | with all the millions of phones/phone users out there, 10k is not that much |
| 04:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | it's TENTHOUSAND owners and possible developers/educated users |
| 04:30.01 | raster | DocScrutinizer: considering the userbase is world-wide, thats not a big userbase :/ |
| 04:30.09 | raster | and yeah |
| 04:30.18 | raster | consideriing for most phone makers 10k is a prorotype run |
| 04:30.19 | raster | :) |
| 04:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | sure in ratiometric terms it's small |
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| 04:30.48 | ndnihil | at least 75% of that is going to be people who either want it ready to use, or don't mind waiting a few months while it's sorted out |
| 04:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | for a community it should be sufficient |
| 04:31.04 | raster | u probably see 10k iphones boght... every single day |
| 04:31.08 | raster | for example |
| 04:31.27 | raster | ndnihil: i'd say 50% of gta02's are gathering dust |
| 04:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | raster: i dont mind ipron |
| 04:31.32 | raster | at least |
| 04:31.48 | raster | DocScrutinizer: sure. just comparison numbers. i guess. so it's small really |
| 04:31.49 | raster | :) |
| 04:31.54 | ndnihil | sadly mine is doing just that |
| 04:31.55 | raster | not that that should discourage |
| 04:32.10 | raster | ndnihil: i have 2 of them... that have gathered dust for a year or so |
| 04:32.14 | ndnihil | but I had a bunch of stuff come up before I could get it installed in the car |
| 04:32.19 | raster | they get booted once every 3 or so months to see if they still work |
| 04:32.20 | raster | :) |
| 04:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | even more sadly, my dozen wil join that fatre in a wink |
| 04:32.37 | ndnihil | work switched to verizon and the sim I had in the FR was deactivated |
| 04:33.09 | ndnihil | but I'm going to install it in the car to play music (spoofing itself as a cd changer to the head unit) |
| 04:33.41 | ndnihil | maybe set it up to wardrive too |
| 04:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | raster: I really recommend doing that every 3 months at least... nad recharge bat |
| 04:34.07 | ndnihil | mine stays plugged into the workstation |
| 04:34.48 | ndnihil | always running, and every so often I ssh into it just to say "hi phone" |
| 04:34.51 | raster | DocScrutinizer: amazingly i have yet to have a totoally dead bat |
| 04:34.52 | ndnihil | make sure it's still there |
| 04:34.54 | raster | but... i have spare bats anyway |
| 04:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: cool! |
| 04:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | raster: prolly you act like a human being with complete mental powers and remove bat after shutting down device for prolonged periods |
| 04:36.55 | ndnihil | raster: any news about that dev phone you were going to try and get into our hands? |
| 04:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | checks if gizmoforyou is up again... finally |
| 04:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | my new customer really has a scary PR :-S |
| 04:38.19 | ndnihil | starts up the wifi AP domU |
| 04:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | domU ??? o.O === |
| 04:38.40 | rozzin | I'm somewhat surprised how many `end user' types there appear to be. |
| 04:38.47 | ndnihil | yep |
| 04:39.32 | ndnihil | pci passthrough for the pcmcia card |
| 04:39.50 | ndnihil | little mini-itx box that hosts local services |
| 04:41.16 | raster | DocScrutinizer: i actually have done that :) |
| 04:41.29 | raster | ndnihil: when/if anything happens... you'll know about it |
| 04:41.30 | raster | :) |
| 04:41.42 | ndnihil | what would happen? |
| 04:41.45 | raster | reality dictates it wont be totally open |
| 04:41.52 | raster | as basically any decent hw now isnt open |
| 04:41.55 | raster | eg - 3d units |
| 04:41.59 | ndnihil | even if they crack the wep, they aren't getting anywhere about the vpn :) |
| 04:42.01 | ndnihil | oh the phone |
| 04:42.20 | raster | u'd have to "make up for that" if you dont want to use binary blob 3d gl libs by using the nicely powerful cpu to do the rendering |
| 04:42.26 | raster | which is actually perfectly sane |
| 04:42.29 | raster | and fast |
| 04:42.50 | raster | also dont expect that i can convince peolpe to release schematics, case design cad info etc. |
| 04:43.06 | raster | but for the more pragmatic, software etc. i'd like to see as open as realistically possible |
| 04:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | raster: prolly lot of drive-by-readers you've lost ;-) |
| 04:43.21 | raster | even then... politics and "it takes a long time to turn the titanic" comes into play |
| 04:43.25 | ndnihil | I spent years and years hacking at motorolas, even somewhat open is a good thing for me |
| 04:43.58 | ndnihil | the FR is great and all, but it did teach me that I really prefer a hardware keyboard |
| 04:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | raster: You know a guy to speed up schem publishing |
| 04:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | actually 2 |
| 04:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | at leatfor my schem no CEO ever complained I'd play false |
| 04:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | at least for |
| 04:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: N900 has |
| 04:46.27 | ndnihil | yeah, been eyeballing it since I first saw it mentioned here |
| 04:46.43 | ndnihil | just wondering how difficult it will be to get proper linux on it |
| 04:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | basically ther *is* proper linux on it |
| 04:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | ask raster |
| 04:48.43 | raster | DocScrutinizer: schem publishing isnt going to be sped up.. or even started. it's not going to be done. thats part of being open that is not going to happen with the big boys :( |
| 04:49.08 | raster | ndnihil: it *IS* proper linux |
| 04:49.10 | raster | its debian |
| 04:49.14 | ndnihil | really? |
| 04:49.14 | raster | + x11 |
| 04:49.16 | ndnihil | nice |
| 04:49.17 | raster | glibc |
| 04:49.19 | ndnihil | didn't know that |
| 04:49.21 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 04:49.33 | raster | out-of-the-box it is porper linux |
| 04:49.41 | raster | u may not like their apps or toolkit - add new libs |
| 04:49.45 | raster | (apt-get install XXX) |
| 04:49.46 | raster | etc. |
| 04:49.47 | raster | :) |
| 04:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, I can work with closed schem as well. My main competence is to tell sw-devels how to make most out of given hw |
| 04:50.44 | raster | DocScrutinizer: the guys i work wioth dont design the hw |
| 04:50.50 | raster | they get it and then adapt linux to it |
| 04:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | and to kick poor EE ;-P |
| 04:51.02 | raster | thw hw design bits happen over in production |
| 04:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | I c |
| 04:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyway... >> My main competence is to tell sw-devels how to... |
| 04:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | I can do that even on 10 year old hw, as long as I get a schem and datasheets |
| 04:53.39 | raster | hahahaha |
| 04:53.50 | raster | i'll keep my ears open |
| 04:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 04:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | my title for OM is "hardware and synergy". That's not chosen carelessly |
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| 05:02.02 | ndnihil | maemo is based on debian? |
| 05:02.23 | ndnihil | oh |
| 05:02.24 | ndnihil | yes it is |
| 05:02.30 | ndnihil | Maemo is a software platform developed by Nokia for smartphones and Internet Tablets.[1] It is based on the Debian operating system. |
| 05:03.16 | ndnihil | wonder how difficult it would be to stick that on a gta02 |
| 05:06.04 | rozzin | I believe that there was a project established to do that, some time ago. |
| 05:06.21 | ndnihil | probably dead/stale by now then |
| 05:06.27 | rozzin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer |
| 05:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Status/FreeRunner |
| 05:09.58 | ndnihil | interesting |
| 05:10.37 | ndnihil | it was a pita to get this SHR set up like I like it, but I might have to stick that on and give it a try |
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| 07:45.24 | gonzoism | i think they are in /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ is that right ? |
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| 15:11.19 | jurisz | hi! I am going to create presentation in English. is this correct title for presentation? "Mobile phone development and future prospects" or it "Mobile phones development and future prospects". phone or phones? thanks! |
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| 15:13.16 | lindi | jurisz: do you talk about "car development" or "cars development"? |
| 15:14.48 | jurisz | lindi: I am talking about mobile phones in general. I don't really know how it is correct in English :) |
| 15:15.26 | jurisz | it seems mobile phone is correct :) |
| 15:15.30 | lindi | jurisz: yep |
| 15:15.46 | jurisz | tnx |
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| 15:32.02 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1b329ccc044e 10/fsodeviced/ (configure.ac src/plugins/Makefile.am): |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: building the kernel26_rfkill plugin is now optional (and disabled by default), |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: since it requires quite a current Linux kernel (2.6.31). To build it, pass |
| 15:32.03 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: --enable-kernel26-rfkill to ./configure |
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| 15:33.14 | kozio | hello |
| 15:33.31 | kozio | I got serous problem |
| 15:34.06 | kozio | could someone help me? |
| 15:36.24 | SpeedEvil | With? |
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| 15:43.18 | slaxxer | what is the problem? |
| 15:43.32 | kozio | I lose myself, maybe I will tell what I want |
| 15:43.35 | kozio | I wanna install debian-based distro on microsd and startup with it |
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| 15:43.39 | kozio | and I start flashing it |
| 15:43.41 | kozio | with dfu-util |
| 15:43.53 | kozio | but it is wrong way |
| 15:44.09 | kozio | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neovento |
| 15:46.01 | slaxxer | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 15:46.11 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | slaxxer | dfu requires a .jffs2 file |
| 15:48.48 | lindi | dfu surely can flash anything? |
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| 16:06.47 | kozio | I got 512mb microsd |
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| 16:23.57 | rafa | DocScrutinizer-8: so CIA-54 is still there |
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| 16:49.41 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc650cc04db4c 10/fsolocationd/ (26 files in 8 dirs): fsogpsd -> fsolocationd |
| 16:51.01 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdecf499c54de 10/fsolocationd/ (src/lib/channel.vala tests/Makefile.am): fsolocationd: catch up with libfsotransport |
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| 17:01.49 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2b882336ddb5 10/ (33 files in 12 dirs): fsolocationd: install dbus conf and service files |
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| 17:36.18 | UberNeo | lindi, can u help me in installing debian on NEo |
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| 17:38.47 | gonzoism | UberNeo: what size usd card do you have ? |
| 17:38.57 | UberNeo | 8GB |
| 17:39.39 | gonzoism | good, is it a supported one that is listed in the wiki ? because if it is not, you will likely have problems... |
| 17:40.11 | UberNeo | i m using the Kingston one |
| 17:40.47 | gonzoism | awesome |
| 17:41.06 | gonzoism | have you seen the debian script for installation ? |
| 17:41.13 | UberNeo | ya i have seen |
| 17:41.47 | UberNeo | shall i use ./install.sh all directly |
| 17:42.04 | UberNeo | right now no important data on my uSd |
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| 17:42.08 | gonzoism | what is directly ? (i don't know) |
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| 17:42.46 | UberNeo | means shall i use ./install.sh all after booting from Nand |
| 17:43.21 | gonzoism | i'm reading up on the page, gimme a minute, and i'll try to find out |
| 17:43.27 | UberNeo | k |
| 17:44.40 | gonzoism | UberNeo: yes, run it from the freerunner after booting from NAND |
| 17:44.58 | gonzoism | UberNeo: which instructions are you using ? |
| 17:45.15 | UberNeo | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
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| 17:45.51 | UberNeo | but it has a bit confusing about cdebootstrap, error |
| 17:46.00 | UberNeo | i have perl installed on SHR |
| 17:46.06 | gonzoism | k |
| 17:46.16 | gonzoism | i'm looking |
| 17:51.52 | gonzoism | ok, with you having perl installed, it looks like there will be no error, according to the success report. |
| 17:52.00 | gonzoism | it looks like perl is the workaround |
| 17:52.50 | gonzoism | you can read the script to get more info about the perl/debootstrap error |
| 17:52.56 | UberNeo | ok .. |
| 17:53.53 | UberNeo | and do i need to give QI=true option ..or it will automatically boot from QI |
| 17:54.26 | gonzoism | UberNeo: do you have Qi installed ? |
| 17:54.30 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc2baa4db8aae 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/parser.vala: libfsotransport: LineByLineParser: add call to resetline |
| 17:54.34 | UberNeo | yes |
| 17:54.45 | UberNeo | its on my Nand |
| 17:59.45 | gonzoism | UberNeo: it looks like you have to make an append-GTA02 file |
| 17:59.59 | gonzoism | UberNeo: see where it talks about that ? |
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| 18:01.52 | UberNeo | thats a bit confusing |
| 18:02.21 | UberNeo | where do i need to make thic change |
| 18:04.23 | gonzoism | UberNeo: you aren't installing debian onto your nand, right ? |
| 18:04.45 | UberNeo | no ..i want it on my uSd |
| 18:05.33 | gonzoism | i think you do it on the installed debian system after it installs... |
| 18:05.44 | gonzoism | see that section on the wiki ? |
| 18:06.11 | gonzoism | also, at worse, you just have to reflash your nand to get it back like it was. |
| 18:06.28 | gonzoism | so if debian doesn't install right, you can keep trying until you get it. |
| 18:07.02 | UberNeo | but once it gets installled and if i will boot from it,,,why do i need to make the changes |
| 18:07.26 | gonzoism | no, you have to do it before rebooting I think. |
| 18:07.42 | gonzoism | i'm not sure if it is after or before the installation. i'm assuming after. |
| 18:08.15 | gonzoism | UberNeo: i haven't installed debian yet. i just understand how the instructions are confusing |
| 18:08.43 | UberNeo | lot of confusing things on this page |
| 18:09.33 | gonzoism | if you don't get it right the first time, the second time will probably make more sense. |
| 18:09.53 | UberNeo | ya thats true |
| 18:10.08 | UberNeo | by the way which oS u r using on Neo |
| 18:16.03 | gonzoism | i'm using SHR. i like it pretty good. |
| 18:16.41 | gonzoism | i'm trying to understand the build system (cross compiling) seems kinda standard. i've had my neo for about a week. |
| 18:16.58 | gonzoism | how about you ? |
| 18:16.59 | UberNeo | have u used Hackable1 |
| 18:17.08 | gonzoism | no, have you ? |
| 18:17.30 | UberNeo | between Haackable1 and SHR-U september image |
| 18:20.42 | gonzoism | i think there is a shr halloween image. i think that is the one i am using. |
| 18:21.53 | UberNeo | halloween image ??? |
| 18:21.57 | UberNeo | where is it |
| 18:23.49 | lindi | UberNeo: sure |
| 18:24.24 | UberNeo | lindi can u help me .. |
| 18:26.17 | lindi | UberNeo: depends. what's the problem? |
| 18:26.45 | gonzoism | UberNeo: its in shr-unstable, http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ i like it. |
| 18:26.50 | UberNeo | ya ..i have 8Gb usd card ..n i am trying to install debian on it |
| 18:27.09 | lindi | UberNeo: have you used debian before? |
| 18:27.23 | UberNeo | no..on deskop i have used it |
| 18:27.33 | UberNeo | also on Hackable 1 |
| 18:27.48 | lindi | UberNeo: ok |
| 18:28.35 | UberNeo | shall i use ./install.sh all |
| 18:28.56 | UberNeo | lindi, i dont have any important data on usd |
| 18:29.06 | lindi | UberNeo: what boot loader do you want to use? |
| 18:29.18 | UberNeo | Qi |
| 18:30.58 | lindi | UberNeo: I guess ./install.sh all is what you want yes |
| 18:31.40 | UberNeo | it will install evrything right ..and next time when i press power buttor ..it will boot |
| 18:32.10 | lindi | UberNeo: everything? |
| 18:32.21 | lindi | UberNeo: surely it won't install all debian packages :) |
| 18:32.29 | UberNeo | ya thats true |
| 18:32.36 | UberNeo | lin |
| 18:33.08 | UberNeo | lindi,if i install debian ..hw much stable it is on Neo |
| 18:33.32 | lindi | UberNeo: just as stable as on your desktop :) |
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| 18:33.45 | lindi | UberNeo: what sort of stability are you talking about? |
| 18:33.48 | UberNeo | as a phone .. |
| 18:33.58 | lindi | UberNeo: i'm using my own programs for phone stuff |
| 18:34.11 | lindi | UberNeo: they aren't in debian yet :( |
| 18:34.33 | UberNeo | ohh ..then i wont be able to make calls just after installing debian |
| 18:35.03 | lindi | UberNeo: i guess you can make calls with zhone |
| 18:35.10 | lindi | UberNeo: i just don't fancy that program |
| 18:35.40 | UberNeo | thats installed automatically from script ..or i need to install it manually ...zhone |
| 18:35.51 | lindi | UberNeo: i don't know |
| 18:36.01 | lindi | UberNeo: have you read the script? |
| 18:36.10 | UberNeo | not that much |
| 18:36.28 | UberNeo | ya it will install |
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| 18:37.42 | UberNeo | i have checked in script |
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| 19:19.19 | UberNeo | lindi, i m getting the following error |
| 19:19.21 | UberNeo | Downloading bootstrapper package 'debootstrap_1.0.15_all.deb' |
| 19:19.21 | UberNeo | Connecting to ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.68.86:80) |
| 19:19.21 | UberNeo | wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 19:22.21 | lindi | UberNeo: it should be 20 now I guess |
| 19:22.52 | UberNeo | 20 what ..debootstrap version |
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| 19:25.06 | lindi | UberNeo: yes |
| 19:25.13 | UberNeo | yya gt it ..thanx |
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| 20:04.25 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7017267db80e 10/ (100 files in 34 dirs): |
| 20:04.25 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Ok, here's the new world order: fsotimed is no longer and fsolocationd is gone as well. |
| 20:04.26 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: After long pondering, I decided that time, date, and location are belonging together: |
| 20:04.26 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Please welcome fsotdld. |
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| 20:10.34 | B4R74zy | plz go 2 http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope & click on ads |
| 20:10.44 | ndnihil | go fuck yourself noob faggot |
| 20:11.00 | ndnihil | spamming piece of shit |
| 20:12.09 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5717 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0019.txt ecn0033.txt ecn0042.txt): |
| 20:12.09 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added C3017 (1uF) change to ECN0033 |
| 20:12.09 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - rewrote ECN0019 to reflect Joergs changes, reopened for further discussion |
| 20:12.09 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added ECN0042, switch to symmetrical microphone configuration |
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| 20:12.49 | B4R74zy | plz go 2 http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope & click on ads |
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| 20:19.20 | ndnihil | heh |
| 20:20.04 | kozio | guys, it is my microsd /media/FC30-3DA9 << how to make 2 partition on it |
| 20:20.05 | kozio | ? |
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| 20:20.43 | ndnihil | by using fdisk, like every other block device |
| 20:21.03 | kozio | last_lba(): I don't know how to handle files with mode 40700 |
| 20:21.27 | kozio | fdisk /media/FC30-3DA9 ? |
| 20:21.46 | ndnihil | you really don't want to run fdisk on a mounted partition/device |
| 20:22.16 | PaulFertser | What i like about "Full Throttle" is that scummvm runs on every architecture, including ARM :) |
| 20:22.23 | kozio | unmount? |
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| 20:23.23 | PaulFertser | kozio: umount |
| 20:23.29 | kozio | ye done |
| 20:23.31 | kozio | and now? |
| 20:23.37 | PaulFertser | kozio: are you sure you want to use a freerunner? :| |
| 20:23.46 | kozio | yep |
| 20:23.47 | kozio | xD |
| 20:23.55 | kozio | 100% sure |
| 20:23.56 | PaulFertser | kozio: because using fdisk is one of basics for every experienced *nix user. |
| 20:24.13 | kozio | : (( |
| 20:24.17 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5718 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/STATUS docs/ecn/ecn0038.txt): implemented ECN0038 and moved to done |
| 20:24.49 | ndnihil | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+fdisk+howto |
| 20:24.51 | lindi | PaulFertser: we really should have some quiz :) |
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| 20:27.47 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5719 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/ecn0033.txt): implemented C3017 (1uF) change |
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| 20:28.11 | PaulFertser | kozio: yep, ndnihil is right, you can google and then you'll learn much more to the benefit of you and others. It's not ever late to learn something new. |
| 20:28.16 | PaulFertser | (i wished) |
| 20:28.36 | kozio | /dev/ |
| 20:29.15 | PaulFertser | lindi: in fact there was a quiz on one russian site i needed to pass to download schematics for tv sets. :) pretty trivial though, i guess a good schoolboy could do that. |
| 20:33.51 | kozio | got it |
| 20:33.52 | kozio | xD |
| 20:34.12 | lindi | kozio: indeed it's never late to learn :) |
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| 20:48.54 | JesusMcCloud | anyone here that knows abut ffalarms? the docs on projetcs.openmoko.org are outdated |
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| 21:14.37 | kozio | hello |
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| 21:14.57 | kozio | wich partition need have boot flag |
| 21:15.07 | lindi | kozio: boot flag? |
| 21:15.12 | kozio | this with image-gta or uImage |
| 21:15.13 | kozio | ? |
| 21:15.32 | kozio | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Installation_on_.C2.B5SD_Card |
| 21:16.09 | lindi | kozio: does that say something about boot flags? |
| 21:16.24 | kozio | openmoko said thnms |
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| 21:16.37 | kozio | I copy images on microsd |
| 21:16.44 | kozio | and it don't want start |
| 21:16.49 | lindi | kozio: so? |
| 21:17.07 | lindi | kozio: what boot loader are you using? |
| 21:17.27 | kozio | u |
| 21:18.11 | lindi | kozio: and what's your uboot environment like? |
| 21:19.05 | kozio | 1.3.2 |
| 21:19.34 | kozio | I got problem |
| 21:19.38 | kozio | y cann't get kernel image |
| 21:19.39 | kozio | :// |
| 21:19.44 | lindi | kozio: u-boot environment is the set of key=value pairs that are saved in the uboot_env nand partition |
| 21:22.09 | kozio | I am tired |
| 21:30.28 | kozio | tell me what program needed for keyboard moko in debian |
| 21:32.02 | lindi | kozio: there are multiple virtual keyboards |
| 21:32.06 | lindi | kozio: i use xvkbd |
| 21:32.25 | kozio | apt-get install xvkbd? |
| 21:32.28 | lindi | yep |
| 21:32.45 | kozio | kk |
| 21:32.54 | kozio | and what about maps |
| 21:33.00 | kozio | to gprs |
| 21:33.08 | lindi | kozio: I use navit |
| 21:33.17 | kozio | :D |
| 21:33.19 | kozio | humm |
| 21:33.46 | kozio | maybe I will buy more microsd capacity card |
| 21:33.46 | kozio | and go on with archlinux |
| 21:33.46 | lindi | kozio: navit maps are very compac |
| 21:34.16 | max_posedon | I use tangogps |
| 21:34.26 | max_posedon | tangogps now have routing support too |
| 21:35.45 | kozio | humm |
| 21:36.02 | kozio | I will check how much capacity do I have |
| 21:36.05 | kozio | and we see |
| 21:36.28 | kozio | I got 37MB left |
| 21:36.29 | kozio | so |
| 21:36.33 | lindi | max_posedon: interesting, how do they do that? |
| 21:36.33 | kozio | maybe I will install map |
| 21:36.40 | kozio | what do I need? |
| 21:36.46 | max_posedon | lindi, via yournavigation.org |
| 21:36.48 | kozio | apt-get install navit |
| 21:36.51 | kozio | ? |
| 21:36.53 | lindi | max_posedon: is that free software? |
| 21:37.03 | lindi | kozio: yes. learn navit on your PC first |
| 21:37.08 | max_posedon | yes, but |
| 21:37.20 | kozio | but I got there already smth like |
| 21:37.21 | max_posedon | its a web service |
| 21:37.29 | max_posedon | which uses OSM maps |
| 21:37.44 | lindi | max_posedon: can I easily setup it on my own system? |
| 21:37.51 | kozio | tangogps |
| 21:37.53 | lindi | max_posedon: i want to do offline routing |
| 21:38.00 | max_posedon | I don't know |
| 21:38.02 | kozio | tangogps is good? |
| 21:38.13 | lindi | tangogps does not do offline routing it seems |
| 21:38.25 | max_posedon | I don't think that result will be better |
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| 21:38.53 | kozio | so maybe I will remove it |
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| 21:39.07 | max_posedon | kozio, I think tangogps is best |
| 21:39.13 | max_posedon | if you ready be online |
| 21:39.38 | kozio | ah, moment |
| 21:39.40 | kozio | tangogps |
| 21:39.46 | kozio | it is for interactive |
| 21:39.48 | kozio | work? |
| 21:40.24 | Wonka | tangogps does not do any routing at all |
| 21:40.35 | max_posedon | Wonka, just install it |
| 21:40.59 | max_posedon | it can do it, since 1 week ago |
| 21:41.03 | max_posedon | new feature) |
| 21:41.07 | Wonka | i have tangogps installed. 0.9.3 on SHR, 0.9.9 on debian |
| 21:41.10 | Wonka | oh, cool |
| 21:41.10 | max_posedon | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/News |
| 21:41.21 | max_posedon | you need at least 0.9.9.1 |
| 21:41.24 | max_posedon | I think |
| 21:41.36 | max_posedon | shr-unstable current have version with routing |
| 21:42.02 | max_posedon | (or 0.99.1) |
| 21:42.06 | Wonka | shr-unstable did not yet build here |
| 21:42.48 | kozio | how to make tangogps on |
| 21:42.49 | kozio | ? |
| 21:42.55 | kozio | gprs-ui? |
| 21:44.35 | max_posedon | what about just start tangogps? |
| 21:44.41 | max_posedon | with fso framework gps will be on |
| 21:45.07 | kozio | ye I got it |
| 21:46.05 | kozio | running tango |
| 21:46.09 | kozio | gps on |
| 21:48.02 | kozio | how to use it |
| 21:48.06 | Wonka | i'd like tangogps to be able to use planet.bin for drawing its own maps, continuous scaling... |
| 21:48.10 | kozio | update me? |
| 21:48.25 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: that's a complete and total rewrite though. |
| 21:48.32 | Wonka | i know... |
| 21:48.33 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: and UTSW! |
| 21:49.00 | Wonka | couldn't get really warm with navit yet |
| 21:52.08 | kozio | how can I make tip on map where am I |
| 21:52.20 | kozio | I press button update me |
| 21:52.21 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * rfc80ab012c2e 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): MusicPlayer: Introduce Error signal |
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| 22:01.49 | kozio | I cann't get it |
| 22:02.11 | kozio | :D |
| 22:02.16 | kozio | autocenter don't work |
| 22:02.35 | max_posedon | it work as soon as you have fix |
| 22:02.46 | max_posedon | are you sure, that you have fix? |
| 22:02.48 | kozio | fix what? |
| 22:04.18 | PaulFertser | kozio: gps fix |
| 22:05.19 | kozio | it download my position |
| 22:05.28 | kozio | but autocenter don't want work |
| 22:05.29 | kozio | :// |
| 22:06.46 | max_posedon | download position? |
| 22:07.07 | kozio | Update me |
| 22:07.23 | kozio | but map don't center |
| 22:07.26 | max_posedon | can you see your latitude and longitude values? |
| 22:08.26 | kozio | y mean D6-209 |
| 22:08.27 | kozio | ? |
| 22:08.33 | kozio | ye it is change |
| 22:08.36 | kozio | D6-197 |
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| 22:08.50 | PaulFertser | kozio: nope |
| 22:08.56 | kozio | ? |
| 22:09.00 | kozio | so what? |
| 22:09.11 | PaulFertser | kozio: you might want to read some wikipedia article, they're really nice usually ;) |
| 22:09.49 | kozio | aa |
| 22:09.50 | kozio | okk |
| 22:09.53 | kozio | I know y mean |
| 22:10.19 | kozio | a:0m |
| 22:10.37 | max_posedon | sorry, its at least altitude |
| 22:10.44 | max_posedon | I asked for lat and lon |
| 22:11.26 | kozio | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/8-User-Manual.html#extended |
| 22:11.28 | kozio | I read this |
| 22:11.29 | kozio | xd |
| 22:12.07 | max_posedon | ok, so I just want to say |
| 22:12.29 | max_posedon | thay your gps doesn't know your position, so it can't autocent |
| 22:13.03 | kozio | lol |
| 22:13.04 | kozio | why? |
| 22:13.10 | kozio | he don't know |
| 22:13.25 | kozio | I got position update |
| 22:13.32 | PaulFertser | kozio: an aversion to the communism ideas probably |
| 22:13.33 | kozio | every 0,0 minutes |
| 22:13.34 | mwester | guesses it's a pigeon on the chimney that is blocking the signal. |
| 22:13.53 | kozio | tangoGPS communism idea? |
| 22:14.09 | PaulFertser | kozio: nope, just kidding about your username |
| 22:14.24 | kozio | :D |
| 22:14.33 | kozio | guy tell me |
| 22:14.34 | max_posedon | kozio, I don't belive that gps get fix |
| 22:14.36 | kozio | how can I fix it |
| 22:14.49 | max_posedon | your phone just remember coordinats from time |
| 22:14.55 | max_posedon | when you was outside home |
| 22:15.02 | mwester | wait longer, somewhere where the phone has a clear view to the sky? |
| 22:15.11 | max_posedon | this is why it "looks like" ! phone get fix |
| 22:15.14 | kozio | kk |
| 22:15.16 | max_posedon | but it doesn't |
| 22:15.23 | kozio | gonna to search some where |
| 22:15.29 | SeligArkin | kozio: Surf on the roof of a train, that should get you a fix. |
| 22:15.48 | SeligArkin | Disclamer: Joke, please don't follow that instgruction. |
| 22:15.50 | max_posedon | when you get fix, you will see with what speed you "travel" now |
| 22:16.25 | kozio | I need any additional |
| 22:16.35 | gonzoism | i was just using tangogps for the last 2 hours. i tracked myself. very accurate. i like it. |
| 22:16.36 | kozio | configuration or only gprs on |
| 22:16.36 | kozio | ? |
| 22:16.53 | max_posedon | you don't need even gprs |
| 22:17.04 | max_posedon | (for getting fix) |
| 22:17.45 | max_posedon | just go out from home, and stay for a 5 min outside |
| 22:18.06 | max_posedon | keeping phone on(not suspended!), and tangogps on |
| 22:18.18 | kozio | moment |
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| 22:18.36 | kozio | I need smth too fix in config |
| 22:18.36 | kozio | ? |
| 22:18.40 | max_posedon | nope |
| 22:19.06 | kozio | kk |
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| 22:20.12 | kozio | just put some where undersky |
| 22:20.19 | kozio | and wait when it connect |
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| 22:24.44 | kozio | and one more thing |
| 22:24.51 | kozio | I installed this package |
| 22:24.58 | kozio | but where is keyboard |
| 22:24.58 | kozio | ? |
| 22:24.59 | kozio | xD |
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| 22:30.18 | kozio | http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/#howtocustomize |
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| 22:41.49 | gonzoism | how many satelites do ya'll usually get on gps ? i've gotten 5 at most, so far. |
| 22:46.24 | gonzoism | feels like he is on /ignore :( |
| 22:48.03 | ssam | 5 is typical, i think the most i have seen is about 7 |
| 22:49.01 | ssam | depends how much sky you can see, and how long you wait |
| 22:50.36 | gonzoism | cool. :) |
| 22:51.09 | gonzoism | do you know what the square icon is on the shr-today screen is ? it is next to the battery and has 3 paralell lines coming out of each side. |
| 22:53.22 | Wonka | i regularly get 12 GPS sats, and sometimes more than 10 are used for position calculation |
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| 22:54.19 | gonzoism | wow ! do you have an external antanea ? |
| 22:54.55 | Wonka | no |
| 22:55.01 | Wonka | just the FR |
| 22:55.12 | gonzoism | wow. you must live on a mountain or something ! heh. |
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| 22:55.26 | gonzoism | i wonder why you get such good signals. |
| 22:57.28 | Wonka | well, I don't know... |
| 22:57.33 | Wonka | I am in northern germany |
| 22:57.45 | Wonka | just started zhone on FR... |
| 22:57.49 | Wonka | waiting for fix |
| 22:58.50 | Wonka | ttff 89.2s |
| 22:59.33 | Wonka | fix with 7 sats, another one unused |
| 23:00.39 | Wonka | 25 to 29 dB SNR for the used sats |
| 23:01.04 | Wonka | 36 now on one |
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| 23:01.12 | Wonka | down to 10 for the unused ones |
| 23:01.27 | Wonka | gonzoism: how are your values? |
| 23:03.03 | Wonka | I remember 45 dB SNR, but that was outside, while I currently am inside |
| 23:05.12 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r985533f8c095 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): MusicPlayer: rename error to avoid name conflicts |
| 23:06.50 | gonzoism | i put zhone on my phone. i had lat/long for a second (3rd screen) then it zero'd out. zhone is nice. i'm not sure where you are getting those values. now, i'm opening tango to look there. |
| 23:07.55 | Wonka | on the middle screen |
| 23:08.49 | Wonka | there's several values for all channels of the receiver |
| 23:09.09 | gonzoism | tangogps, on the trip screen, says satellites 9/7 |
| 23:10.37 | Wonka | channel no "CHN", satellite number "SV", SNR "SN", whether there is ALM or EPH data there, ... |
| 23:11.05 | Wonka | so signals from 9 sats received and 7 used for fix |
| 23:11.36 | gonzoism | thanks, that makes sense now. (my first gps) |
| 23:12.20 | Wonka | np |
| 23:13.48 | gonzoism | arfcn = 6 of them. rx levels between 3-19 (3 19's and 7, 1, 7) |
| 23:15.15 | gonzoism | oh, i was in wrong screen. i see it now. lots of data there. zhone looks nice too. |
| 23:15.49 | Wonka | current display is mostly by me :) |
| 23:16.04 | Wonka | those tabular style with these dots... |
| 23:16.10 | gonzoism | you did very well. |
| 23:16.28 | gonzoism | i think i see 13 sats at the moment |
| 23:16.52 | Wonka | I plan to reduce these two dots to one... empty on ALM only, full on ALM+EPH |
| 23:18.03 | Wonka | I have seen SBAS sats 120 and 124, and had ALM+EPH... but they seemed not to be used :/ |
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| 23:20.05 | gonzoism | when tangogps has a big 4 on the screen, that means that it is using 4 sats to determine position ? |
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| 23:20.42 | Wonka | no, current velocity is 4 units (km/h, mph, depends on config) |
| 23:21.25 | gonzoism | on the map screen ? |
| 23:21.29 | Wonka | yes |
| 23:21.42 | Wonka | i've seen velocity values up to 6km/h with the FR lying flat on the table |
| 23:22.01 | gonzoism | hm.. i was walking... oh, ok. heh, tables are FAST ! :) |
| 23:22.26 | gonzoism | did you write the dialer zhone uses ? |
| 23:22.52 | Wonka | no, I just provided some simple patches for GPS display stuff |
| 23:23.12 | gonzoism | oh. i'm glad it is there. |
| 23:23.36 | gonzoism | are shr people working on the dialer/sms/contacts part or is that freesmartphone.org ? |
| 23:24.32 | Wonka | zhone is FSO and maintained by mickeyl, afaik (he's here too) |
| 23:25.57 | Wonka | hrmf. need to build me some sort of stand for the FR... |
| 23:27.33 | gonzoism | heh, to keep it stationary ! |
| 23:28.01 | Wonka | ack. to keep it from falling over. not very readable when lying flat. |
| 23:32.18 | gonzoism | i need to get or make some sort of cover to protect mine while it is in my pocket. in case something pokes the screen or slaps it pretty hard. also don't want anything else poking it, like my keys. |
| 23:33.22 | gonzoism | maybe i can make something out of leather and heavy guage wire. |
| 23:33.40 | mmontour | tuxbrain.com sells a nice leather case for the Freerunner |
| 23:34.23 | fredrin | yarr, dubstep.fm is sweet :) |
| 23:38.03 | gonzoism | wow, $43.00 |
| 23:38.13 | gonzoism | seems high. does anyone have one ? |
| 23:38.36 | gonzoism | i mean, do any of ya'll have one ? |
| 23:39.06 | mmontour | I have one |
| 23:39.37 | gonzoism | how protective is it ? |
| 23:41.11 | gonzoism | very hard ? |
| 23:41.20 | mmontour | I haven't stress-tested it, but it feels quite solid. Much better than the soft pouch from Openmoko |
| 23:41.49 | gonzoism | i didn't even get a soft pouch. :( |
| 23:44.52 | gonzoism | i'll skin a cow in a few months, and will make a case, then bury it under a hot fire and it will get very rigid and strong. i was thinking that, or soft tanned leather inside plexiglass.... |
| 23:45.51 | gonzoism | i let someone play numpty physics on it the other day, and they rubbed a hole into that protective covering... made me sick. |
| 23:46.09 | gonzoism | was hard to believe. |
| 23:50.01 | gonzoism | i also have teflon... could make a bullet proof one covered in leather. :) |