| 00:06.12 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc3db644e2835 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/player_alsa/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: player_alsa: handle loop and length attributes |
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| 01:15.07 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r862097a79578 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: |
| 01:15.07 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: be more cooperative with /dev/rtc0 |
| 01:15.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This module will now only hold /dev/rtc0 while it is a) doing any operation |
| 01:15.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: (which is very short), or b) waiting for a pending alarm (in which case |
| 01:15.09 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: we do not want someone else to remove or change it behind our back anyways). |
| 01:15.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This should improve FSO #492 to a certain extent. Please open another ticket, |
| 01:15.13 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: if you are missing something in the RTC DBus API. |
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| 01:36.28 | hackerb9 | just got a letter from the FSF announcing a plan to endorse hardware that Respects Your Freedom. anyone know if the FreeRunner will be on the list ? |
| 01:40.30 | max_posedon | neo not completly open |
| 01:41.21 | SeligArkin | Its not? I thought thats the whole idea behind it? |
| 01:41.57 | hackerb9 | yeah, that's why I bouhht it |
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| 01:49.23 | mwester_ | No, it's not completely open - can't be, I'm afraid. GSM is a closed device -- but perhaps FSF will let that part slide. The wifi hardware also has firmware, which is proprietary and closed. :( |
| 01:49.53 | mwester_ | Of course, so does the bluetooth device, for that matter, but I think FSF would let that slide. |
| 01:50.13 | SeligArkin | Everything they can legaly have open, is open |
| 01:51.22 | SeligArkin | I think thats the point of what they mean, no way every single part could be open, unless you guys made your own hardware from the ground up. |
| 01:51.37 | mwester_ | The question is if that's sufficient for FSF, I guess. I heard that the answer is likely to be no when it comes to the wifi, but all that is water under the bridge now. |
| 01:52.02 | mwester_ | It's more open than any similar hardware device by a long shot. :) |
| 01:53.03 | hackerb9 | well, the FSF recommended the FreeRunner in a member bulletin. |
| 01:53.51 | hackerb9 | but I don't know what the certification process is like. |
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| 02:01.44 | kgoetz | mwester_: huh? isnt the point of using the ar5k in the freerunner its absense of closed firmware? |
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| 02:02.48 | kgoetz | regarding the gsm firmware, i thought thats in the modem itself (and communicated with over a 'serial' link). in that case the fsf may consider it 'part of the hardware' |
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| 02:04.46 | gonzoism | numpty physics is awesome. I haven't had a chance to play it much, but it is very addictive. |
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| 02:14.57 | mwester_ | kgoetz: re: gsm - yes, that is my interpretation of the guidelines as well. |
| 02:15.47 | mwester_ | kgoetz: re: ar5k - the firmware is closed; we lack source code and even complete documentation of the protocol stack that runs on the ar5k |
| 02:16.36 | kgoetz | mwester_: shame. guess thats why the kismet folks don't have it supported |
| 02:17.15 | mwester_ | Well, it's a shame it's closed; as for kismet I have few good things to say about that :) |
| 02:41.14 | johnsu01 | kgoetz: the wireless firmware is not user-upgradeable and is not loaded by the kernel, the gsm firmware on the other hand is user upgradeable |
| 02:41.54 | johnsu01 | so the latter is a problem, the former is not |
| 02:42.31 | kgoetz | johnsu01: ok. seems i was a bit arse about in my understanding then. |
| 02:51.10 | mmontour | If being user-upgradeable is a "problem" then the ranking process is brain-dead. |
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| 03:15.27 | mmontour | Just tried a phone call with the Nov 20 SHR-unstable; audio quality (echo) is still unacceptable. |
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| 04:05.45 | gonzoism | ya, i turned down the microphone gain a little and it helped. i need to set it in /etc/....somewhere so it is like that by default. |
| 04:06.00 | gonzoism | wait. that is the buzz. nevermind. sorry. |
| 04:06.36 | Slaxxed | yea doom on the freerunner turns some heads though |
| 04:07.23 | Slaxxed | i have the 1122 |
| 04:07.31 | Slaxxed | mrmoku |
| 04:08.05 | Slaxxed | has the .31 kernel been repaired yet? |
| 04:09.33 | fredrin | Slaxxed: what's wrong? |
| 04:09.37 | fredrin | do the wifi work? |
| 04:10.41 | Slaxxed | no gsm wifi |
| 04:11.05 | Slaxxed | yesterday anyways |
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| 04:18.24 | fredrin | k |
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| 04:48.15 | rozzin | fredrin: what's wrong with wifi? |
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| 07:05.35 | beer1 | morning |
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| 08:02.55 | PaulFertser | wonders if it's true that the USA can shut down parts of any GSM networks by some secret impact from their satellites. |
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| 08:04.57 | ndnihil | they can shut down anything they want with the simple issue of an order and an almost believable excuse |
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| 09:01.36 | hipitihop | ever since I have upgraded to Karmic Koala, doing things on the FR across usb cable manages to completely lock up my linuxbox ... I can ssh in to the FR and do stuff but at some point, laptop just freezes |
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| 09:04.12 | [Rui] | hipitihop: I use Karmic Koala too without any of those problems |
| 09:04.14 | lindi- | hipitihop: fix the laptop :) |
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| 09:04.38 | [Rui] | but I do use an amd64, so other archs may have some problem (which I doubt). |
| 09:05.10 | [Rui] | hipitihop: I suggest running memtest |
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| 09:21.06 | hipitihop | never ever happened previously... if I didn't know any better I thought I had windows running ;-) |
| 09:23.04 | hipitihop | and the laptop runs fine, weeks on end, I do development for a living so also run virtualized environments, all without a hitch, plug in FR and not long after establishing a ssh session, almost as if when it has a suspend event or the like |
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| 14:16.54 | pbaxter | hi all |
| 14:17.40 | tomcatek | hi |
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| 15:30.52 | beer1 | evening |
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| 15:40.36 | alabd | In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful |
| 15:40.37 | alabd | Good day everyone ; |
| 15:40.37 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.37 | alabd | If yes i humble am in A hurry , so please email me The nearest time . |
| 15:40.37 | alabd | Regards dehqan |
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| 15:44.41 | alabd_ | In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful |
| 15:44.43 | alabd_ | Good day everyone ; |
| 15:44.45 | alabd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.49 | alabd_ | If yes i humble am in A hurry , so please email me The nearest time . |
| 15:44.51 | alabd_ | Regards dehqan |
| 15:55.58 | lindi- | alabd_: please don't repeat that |
| 16:02.07 | sybren | Hey folks. When I run "opkg list_upgradable" on my SHR Unstable I get "Multiple replacers for atd, using first one (atd-over-fso-dbg)", what should I do with that message? |
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| 16:03.56 | Heinervdm | sybren: atd-over-fso should be used |
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| 16:07.35 | sybren | Heinervdm: ok, thanks |
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| 16:10.19 | alabd_ | for those who joined room .. |
| 16:10.39 | alabd_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:17.00 | nullix | (04:55:58 PM) lindi-: alabd_: please don't repeat that |
| 16:17.10 | sybren | Heinervdm: I've filed a ticket: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/744 |
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| 16:18.03 | mako | In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful |
| 16:18.04 | mako | Good morning alabd_ |
| 16:18.04 | mako | alabd_: repeatedly asking a question is considered bad etiquette. if people don't answer, they might know the answer or have time answer. |
| 16:18.10 | alabd_ | nullix: <alabd_> for those who joined room |
| 16:18.20 | Heinervdm | sybren: Ahh, not another one ;) For every Bug i close i'm getting 2 new ones ;) |
| 16:18.36 | alabd_ | mako: read above |
| 16:18.37 | sybren | Heinervdm: hahaha :) |
| 16:19.37 | sybren | Heinervdm: at least I try to make the bug reports as clear as possible, so hopefully things are easily fixed |
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| 16:20.05 | nullix | alabd_: for those who joined the room |
| 16:20.15 | nullix | (05:17:00 PM) nullix: (04:55:58 PM) lindi-: alabd_: please don't repeat that |
| 16:20.39 | sybren | nullix: 17:20 nullix> (05:17:00 PM) nullix: (04:55:58 PM) lindi-: alabd_: please don't repeat that |
| 16:20.46 | sybren | :P |
| 16:21.34 | Heinervdm | sybren: but i did not understand why this bug still exists, only atd-over-fso provides atd not -dbg or any other atd-over-fso-* |
| 16:21.53 | nullix | alabd_: the fact you put 'for those who joined the room' don't prevent my irc chat to turn red telling there is a new interesting message... |
| 16:23.19 | sybren | Heinervdm: it does, check http://shr.pastebin.com/m37ad0e5 |
| 16:24.35 | Heinervdm | sybren: but we changed the recipe to this: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/ffalarms/atd-over-fso_0.70.bb?h=shr/merge |
| 16:24.36 | sybren | Heinervdm: atd-over-fso-dbg even recommends itself |
| 16:25.14 | sybren | Heinervdm: I'm not that familiar with recepies and how they affect -dbg and non-dbg packages |
| 16:30.27 | fredrin | rozzin: wifi always fails and is slow |
| 16:31.01 | alabd_ | maybe sending pm per 15 min will not bother you nullix? |
| 16:31.14 | lindi- | alabd_: it does bother me :) |
| 16:31.29 | sybren | Heinervdm: there's also "atd - 0.80-r1.4 - Lightweight At Daemon" with -dbg and -dev packages |
| 16:31.40 | lindi- | alabd_: that's 96 messages per day :) |
| 16:32.03 | Heinervdm | sybren: yes, but we don't want that, because that won't work with fso |
| 16:32.12 | alabd_ | lindi-: that will not be repeated all the day ... |
| 16:33.49 | sybren | Heinervdm: another thing - earlier auto-suspend was turned off as soon as I hooked my Freerunner up to a USB power source. Now that doesn't happen any more. Was this by choice? |
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| 16:35.19 | Heinervdm | sybren: no, that's still the case. I think you haven't rebooted after upgrade or changed the config |
| 16:35.53 | sybren | Heinervdm: I have rebooted plenty of times the last few days :'( - what config is this behaviour in? I'll check |
| 16:36.50 | Heinervdm | sybren: don't know which config |
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| 16:46.13 | sybren | Heinervdm: there is definitely something wrong with my power configuration, the battery shelf applet shows that it's charging (correctly, as it's plugged into my computer) but neither the blue nor orange LED is lit... |
| 16:46.50 | Heinervdm | and your shr is up to date? |
| 16:47.54 | sybren | as of roughly an hour ago, yes |
| 16:48.05 | sybren | /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/battery/status shows "Charging" |
| 16:48.08 | sybren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:50.26 | Heinervdm | sybren: ah, there is another issue |
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| 16:50.51 | Heinervdm | sybren: remove apmd and install fso-apm |
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| 16:51.09 | Heinervdm | s/apmd/apm/ |
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| 16:52.37 | sybren | Heinervdm: ok, will do |
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| 17:02.36 | Heinervdm | sybren: fixed the problem with atd-over-fso |
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| 17:03.16 | Heinervdm | sybren: but we have to wait for mrmoku to rebuild the package |
| 17:08.52 | sybren | Heinervdm: removing apm breaks task-base-apm, but fso-apm does fix the auto-suspend issue |
| 17:09.17 | Heinervdm | sybren: it does not break anythink |
| 17:09.31 | Heinervdm | sybren: it's just opkg that complains |
| 17:09.36 | sybren | heh |
| 17:09.59 | sybren | well, fso-apm doesn't "provide" apm, so I couldn't just replace apm using "opkg install fso-apm" |
| 17:12.29 | Heinervdm | sybren: oh you're right, it just conflicts with apm |
| 17:14.16 | sybren | Heinervdm: the in-call volume sliders are really nice... but ... it would be even nicer if they remembered their position so that I won't have to adjust them for every call |
| 17:14.37 | Heinervdm | sybren: that's on the todo |
| 17:14.52 | sybren | ok, that's not yet another ticket then ;-) |
| 17:15.36 | Heinervdm | sybren: i think there is already a ticket for taht |
| 17:16.04 | sybren | hmmm I didn't find it - but I also didn't read all comments and all descriptions of all volume-related tickets |
| 17:17.37 | Heinervdm | sybren: perhaps it's just on the ML |
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| 17:20.50 | sybren | "We had no resources to provide a nice and working upgrade path, so an opkg upgrade is very likely to lead to a non-working system. (Really! It won't work. We know you'll try anyway :)" -- how did you guys know? :) |
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| 17:31.37 | Heinervdm | sybren: we tried it |
| 17:32.35 | sybren | :) |
| 17:32.44 | sybren | time for dinner, see you later! |
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| 17:47.07 | alabd_ | sorry everyone whom those repeated msgs have bothered them , |
| 17:47.27 | alabd_ | excuse |
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| 18:13.04 | elopio | TAsn, Ainulindale, ping. |
| 18:13.21 | elopio | I'm having problems with the country prefix in the sms I receive. |
| 18:13.23 | TAsn | elopio, ? |
| 18:13.30 | elopio | but http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/378 says it's fixed. |
| 18:13.30 | TAsn | what's the problem? |
| 18:14.10 | elopio | Hi Tasn |
| 18:14.22 | elopio | the problem is that it shows only the numbers |
| 18:14.38 | elopio | my contacts are saved without the country code. ie, 12345678 |
| 18:15.00 | elopio | and I receive the sms as +50612345678 |
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| 18:15.18 | TAsn | Elleo, |
| 18:15.19 | elopio | it doesn't match the saved contact. |
| 18:15.20 | TAsn | elopio, * |
| 18:15.26 | TAsn | pop open shr-settings |
| 18:15.34 | TAsn | and there go to |
| 18:15.58 | TAsn | phone (iirc) |
| 18:16.07 | TAsn | and there, in phoneutils settings |
| 18:16.14 | TAsn | change your country specific information |
| 18:16.24 | TAsn | we also added that to the "first run wizard" |
| 18:16.50 | elopio | um, great :) |
| 18:16.55 | elopio | thanks TAsn |
| 18:17.07 | TAsn | np |
| 18:17.11 | TAsn | it's my bad |
| 18:17.18 | TAsn | that you didn't have it in first run config till now |
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| 18:17.19 | TAsn | :) |
| 18:17.28 | TAsn | *wizard |
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| 18:18.41 | elopio | TAsn, and why doesn't it take the values from mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetSimInfo ? |
| 18:19.14 | TAsn | elopio, because it shouldn't. :) |
| 18:19.25 | TAsn | *meant |
| 18:19.31 | TAsn | oops, thought you talked about something else |
| 18:19.41 | TAsn | yeah, I really think it should take them from that |
| 18:19.52 | TAsn | I don't remember why, we had a big discussion about it |
| 18:19.59 | TAsn | and decided not to (for whatever reason) |
| 18:20.18 | TAsn | I also think it's a sim property. |
| 18:21.21 | elopio | TAsn, ok. I was going to add a ticket about that. But if you have already discussed it, I guess I shouldn't. |
| 18:21.29 | elopio | thanks for your help! |
| 18:21.31 | TAsn | yep, you shouldn't. |
| 18:21.33 | TAsn | np :) |
| 18:21.39 | TAsn | elopio, though remind me tomorrow |
| 18:21.44 | TAsn | if you remember |
| 18:21.46 | TAsn | to try to find the logs |
| 18:21.52 | TAsn | and figure out what were the reasons :) |
| 18:22.12 | elopio | ok, I'll try to remember it. |
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| 19:15.16 | sybren | Hey all. I'm doing "make update" in the top level make of the SHR bitbake tree. I get "error: pathspec 'shr/merge' did not match any file(s) known to git.", what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:43.17 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, hi |
| 21:43.18 | panicking | :) |
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