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| 01:10.29 | RichardsDesk | hey :) is 640x480 width x height or the way arround? |
| 01:10.50 | RichardsDesk | (openmoko Neo 1973 screen res) |
| 01:12.41 | rozzin | Depends on the orientation.... |
| 01:13.49 | SpeedEvil | pixels are squarw |
| 01:13.49 | SpeedEvil | e |
| 01:14.32 | rozzin | I meant the orientation of the screen :) |
| 01:14.48 | rozzin | RichardsDesk: why do you ask? |
| 01:15.28 | RichardsDesk | I develop (yet another) gps application which I would like to be compatible with OpenMoko Neo screen res |
| 01:16.22 | rozzin | RichardsDesk: The Neo is usually 480-wide by 640-tall. |
| 01:16.48 | RichardsDesk | thanks! |
| 01:17.04 | rozzin | RichardsDesk: But I believe that we have rotation via xrandr, |
| 01:17.37 | RichardsDesk | will take that into consideration on my GIU layoutt |
| 01:18.21 | rozzin | and I think there's something in the way of a `simple orientation API' making its way into FSO that allows you to easily figure out which way is up. |
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| 01:19.34 | rozzin | If you can design for the screen being taller than it is wide, then you should do that. |
| 01:19.57 | rozzin | Since most of the other apps run in that layout. |
| 01:20.00 | RichardsDesk | yeah, no problem (doing dynamic widget layout |
| 01:20.07 | rozzin | Awesome :) |
| 01:20.26 | RichardsDesk | openmoko is awsome so i need to support it :) |
| 01:20.36 | RichardsDesk | alright bedtime, thanks for all the info! |
| 01:20.45 | rozzin | 'k. Goodnight. |
| 01:20.56 | KenYoung | Has anyone heard how the anti-vendor Pre port is going? |
| 01:25.03 | rozzin | Nope. Might make more sense to ask in openmoko-cdevel. |
| 01:27.20 | rozzin | ttp://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre_Challenge |
| 01:28.43 | KenYoung | rozzin, Yeah, sadly not much has changed on that page in the last month. |
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| 01:41.58 | rozzin | I think that the GSM Pre was supposed to be released in Germany only last month, |
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| 01:45.16 | rozzin | but Mickey did write, "The goal is to manage a voice call with the FSO stack within four weeks.". Hm. |
| 01:45.28 | KenYoung | Yup, that's what worries me. |
| 01:46.01 | rozzin | What, that he might have failed, or that he might have succeeded? |
| 01:46.15 | KenYoung | That he might have quit. |
| 01:46.37 | KenYoung | THere was an initial burst of activity, then no more notes on the page. |
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| 01:58.38 | raster | KenYoung: yo |
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| 02:02.17 | KenYoung | Hi Raster. No word from Amazon yet. I drove to New York and picked up an N900 yesterday. |
| 02:02.48 | CVirus | lucky you |
| 02:03.27 | raster | KenYoung: an extra one? |
| 02:03.55 | KenYoung | Well, I yeah. Kinda. |
| 02:04.23 | KenYoung | COuldn't wait for Amazon any longer. I've still got two on order from Amazon. |
| 02:04.33 | KenYoung | From Oct. 2 |
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| 02:07.52 | raster | ahahhaha |
| 02:07.54 | raster | couldnt wait |
| 02:07.55 | raster | :) |
| 02:08.00 | raster | u've already waited a while |
| 02:08.14 | KenYoung | Longer than anyone should have to. |
| 02:09.01 | rozzin | So..., how is it? |
| 02:10.09 | KenYoung | rozzin, Really nice, from what I can see so far. |
| 02:10.41 | KenYoung | They make no attempt to prevent root access. Multimedia works well. The browser is sluggish. |
| 02:11.23 | rozzin | Does it work (well?) as a telephone? |
| 02:12.47 | KenYoung | rozzin, Yes, I've run into no problems with the phone stuff, but I've only had it 25 hours. |
| 02:14.20 | KenYoung | rozzin, There are still some easy to find little problems - keyboard illumination comes and goes randomly (as far as I can tell), etc. |
| 02:14.48 | rozzin | Since you mentioned the anti-vendor ports..., have you seen Mickey's remarks on the N900? |
| 02:15.21 | KenYoung | rozzin, no, other than a remark that he thought such a port on the N900 would be harder than for the Pre. |
| 02:15.49 | KenYoung | I'd be very interested if he made detailed comments somewhere. |
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| 02:16.51 | rozzin | This is the super-pithy version, I suppose: |
| 02:16.54 | rozzin | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-September/054327.html |
| 02:17.41 | rozzin | Then there were some remarks (by him and various other people) in his weblog: |
| 02:17.41 | rozzin | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2009/09/25/gsm-palm-pre-on-the-horizon/ |
| 02:19.57 | KenYoung | rozzin, That second one has interresting remoarks - I had not seen Rui's comments. |
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| 02:22.22 | gonzoism | i got a 8 gig usd. that won't help me for booting multiple operating systems unless i us Qi, will it ? |
| 02:23.37 | rozzin | Ken: Yeah, Rui's comment really struck me, too. |
| 02:23.50 | ndnihil | gonzoism: uboot is more configurable for such situations |
| 02:24.17 | ndnihil | qi has a hardcoded boot order, and not sure if it tries for multiple partitions on uSD |
| 02:24.19 | rozzin | Hrm. |
| 02:24.38 | ndnihil | but, if you only have one OS in NAND, and one on uSD, it'll be fine with either |
| 02:25.25 | rozzin | I swear I just had something up about how `these proprietary vendors tend to make things difficult by not adhering to standard interfaces between the kernel and userspace' (or something like that), but I can't find it now. |
| 02:25.35 | gonzoism | i have seen uboot from the alt-power boot. i haven't see it anywhere else. how do i check that it is installed for normal booting ? pretty much, i see nothing when turning it on except for the openmoko OS om.200whatever_it_came_with |
| 02:26.39 | ndnihil | gonzoism: sounds like qi on NAND and uboot on NOR |
| 02:26.47 | gonzoism | oh |
| 02:27.04 | gonzoism | i can replace Qi, can't I ? |
| 02:27.06 | KenYoung | rozzin, From what I've read, Anfroid is the worst for that. |
| 02:27.09 | ndnihil | yep |
| 02:27.16 | gonzoism | thanks |
| 02:27.46 | ndnihil | there should be a wiki page about flashing new bootloader |
| 02:29.54 | rozzin | I've been going around on this with a few people at work-- |
| 02:29.59 | gonzoism | so with an 8 gig usd, can i have 4 partitions, one small fat for kernel, and 3 different OS's installed on it ? |
| 02:30.12 | gonzoism | what was Rui's comment ? |
| 02:30.14 | rozzin | I'd love to hear what makes Android interesting from someone who's tried it-- |
| 02:30.19 | rozzin | I just can't see it. |
| 02:31.14 | gonzoism | I've played with android on other peoples phones. from what I can gather, what interests them is: "Google" "Linux" and "New" other than that, they don't seem to know anything else about it, or use it. |
| 02:31.21 | rozzin | I don't want to have to rewrite all of my existing libraries in (some deviant form of) Java in order to be able to use them :( |
| 02:31.28 | _Lucretia_ | is the os completely open, no binary blobs like with nokia's attempt? |
| 02:31.28 | ntosme2 | rozzin: the standard browser and mail app are really nice, far superior to anything else I've used on the FR |
| 02:32.15 | rozzin | ntosme2: The `browser issue' is an interesting point. |
| 02:32.18 | KenYoung | rozzin, I've got a G1 (T-Mobil's first Android phone). It isn't very good. Boor screen, and VERY slow. |
| 02:32.46 | KenYoung | (Ooops, Poor screen, not Boor screen). |
| 02:33.12 | ntosme2 | rozzin: I'd love to port it back to 'normal' *nix |
| 02:33.14 | rozzin | ntosme2: I wonder how finger-based-browser implementers handle the issue of `tiny links vs. fat fingers'. |
| 02:33.43 | mmontour | gonzoism: if you use Qi or a recent u-boot you don't need a separate partition for the kernel. |
| 02:34.05 | ntosme2 | rozzin: A's browser seems to grab the closest link you tap next to |
| 02:34.30 | ntosme2 | rozzin: within reason |
| 02:35.16 | gonzoism | I know I want to check out openwrt, debian, and slackware. I love SHR. anything else worth taking a look at ? |
| 02:35.19 | rozzin | ntosme2: Yeah, that's what I'd imagined. |
| 02:35.41 | rozzin | ntosme2: that's not how it works with Midori on the FreeRunner.... |
| 02:36.07 | rozzin | Maybe I should try some of the other web-browsers available in SHR...? |
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| 02:37.00 | slaxxer | whatisit |
| 02:37.12 | ntosme2 | rozzin: on SHR I like dillo or links for their speed, though they are far from finger-friendly |
| 02:38.00 | rozzin | I wonder if maybe woosh or another EFL-based browser is better? |
| 02:38.32 | slaxxer | hows opkg upgrade on shr-u? |
| 02:39.09 | rozzin | Um.... |
| 02:39.32 | rozzin | unsupported? :) |
| 02:39.38 | gonzoism | heh |
| 02:39.59 | slaxxer | i used the android web browser .. it worked very well |
| 02:40.21 | rozzin | upgrade actually seemed to work well enough for me for a few months, before they stopped updating the feed. |
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| 02:40.50 | slaxxer | im talking about from 2 days ago to today |
| 02:40.59 | rozzin | Oh. |
| 02:41.04 | rozzin | Well, haven't tried that yet. |
| 02:41.27 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 02:41.55 | gonzoism | i can test opkg upgrade now if you want. i'm fixing to switch usd's. |
| 02:42.05 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.14 | slaxxer | im upgrading |
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| 02:45.25 | gonzoism | has anyone used openwrt on the freerunner ? |
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| 02:45.50 | gonzoism | nevermind. I'll flash SHR to NAND |
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| 02:52.44 | slaxxer | proly the 11192009 might be better |
| 02:53.23 | slaxxer | im rebooting |
| 02:53.56 | slaxxer | settings crashed |
| 02:56.26 | slaxxer | settings crashes after upgrade |
| 02:57.03 | slaxxer | contacts works |
| 02:57.23 | gonzoism | is gone. off |
| 02:57.27 | gonzoism | sorry |
| 02:58.26 | slaxxer | what u have on sdcard? |
| 02:58.32 | gonzoism | me ? |
| 02:58.37 | slaxxer | yea |
| 02:58.44 | gonzoism | shr. nothing else yet. |
| 02:59.17 | gonzoism | just pulled the default 512 mb card that comes with the freerunner and got 8 gig card earlier. fixing to go with it. |
| 02:59.39 | slaxxer | yea i got 4 2gig cards |
| 03:00.02 | gonzoism | what distros have you tried out ? |
| 03:00.11 | gonzoism | do you have a gta02 ? |
| 03:00.23 | slaxxer | most except openwrt |
| 03:00.28 | slaxxer | yea |
| 03:00.36 | gonzoism | which one ? i have a6 |
| 03:01.09 | slaxxer | android works very well except it kills every thing when i install it |
| 03:01.19 | gonzoism | kills everything ? |
| 03:01.22 | slaxxer | a5 and a6 |
| 03:01.38 | gonzoism | ooh! 2! awesome. |
| 03:01.52 | slaxxer | takes over as in " Hotel California" |
| 03:02.21 | gonzoism | i don't get it. stuff comes in and doesn't go out ? |
| 03:02.38 | slaxxer | :) |
| 03:02.39 | gonzoism | heh, or makes you go to the insane asylum ? |
| 03:02.45 | slaxxer | :) |
| 03:03.06 | slaxxer | worksa well though |
| 03:03.28 | gonzoism | i think i'm fixing to put shr onto the NAND |
| 03:03.43 | slaxxer | very good about connecting to the internet aan has a very good browser |
| 03:04.00 | slaxxer | android |
| 03:04.03 | gonzoism | ya |
| 03:04.31 | slaxxer | shr is great if u dont need a webbrowser |
| 03:04.32 | rozzin | slaxxer: I guess that's what we need in order to be popular, then? :) |
| 03:04.34 | gonzoism | how does it kill everything when you install it ? |
| 03:05.14 | slaxxer | well this isnt a popularity contest as far as i know |
| 03:05.58 | slaxxer | but browsing the web with a web device is kinda cool |
| 03:06.08 | gonzoism | checking webmail and using websites for info on phone while you are out is definitely something "necessary" (but don't take my word for it, I don't even know how to spell neccessary.:) |
| 03:06.49 | slaxxer | but this is still a dev device |
| 03:07.40 | gonzoism | I should get busy flashing my NAND so i can turn my phone back on. |
| 03:07.50 | slaxxer | gonna flash todays an see if its broken or if opkg upgrade did it |
| 03:09.42 | slaxxer | i didnt get any complaints about a noise when talking on me phone with android either |
| 03:12.51 | jaypro | slaxxer so wifi works fine for you on andriod? cant seem to connect to my own wifi network |
| 03:13.05 | slaxxer | yes it did |
| 03:13.13 | jaypro | slaxxer couldnt get my bluetooth headset paired either |
| 03:13.14 | jaypro | ahh hrmmm |
| 03:13.25 | slaxxer | my router is open though |
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| 03:14.13 | slaxxer | i know it shouldnt matter but which headset do u have? |
| 03:14.16 | jaypro | i see... how did you go about installing more applications/ |
| 03:15.01 | slaxxer | one of the many rooms at the "Hotel California" |
| 03:15.08 | jaypro | slaxxer motorolla motorokr s305 |
| 03:15.29 | gonzoism | why are there so many .jffs2 images on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ ? |
| 03:15.50 | jaypro | andriod can pair with it, but when i call or receive a call, nothing goes through |
| 03:16.35 | gonzoism | lite and full i understand... then there are the eglibc-ipk ones. i see the two different dates. |
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| 03:19.10 | gonzoism | i figured it out. |
| 03:20.20 | fredrin | :) |
| 03:23.19 | jaypro | ahh damn! nm my wifi does work |
| 03:24.05 | fredrin | what kernel? |
| 03:24.39 | jaypro | me? andriod |
| 03:24.47 | jaypro | oh.. distribution |
| 03:25.16 | slaxxer | :) |
| 03:25.35 | slaxxer | used the web browser yet? |
| 03:25.45 | jaypro | first time |
| 03:25.59 | slaxxer | it zooms easily |
| 03:26.17 | slaxxer | its great |
| 03:26.28 | jaypro | huh? how do you zoom |
| 03:26.46 | slaxxer | maybe panicking will port that browser to freerunner |
| 03:27.16 | slaxxer | touch screen then hit the + on the lower screen |
| 03:27.36 | slaxxer | :) |
| 03:28.15 | jaypro | ahh ok! |
| 03:28.16 | slaxxer | shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 03:28.28 | slaxxer | nearly installed |
| 03:28.39 | slaxxer | great isnt it |
| 03:28.41 | fredrin | sweet |
| 03:29.14 | fredrin | it's sweet, looking really forward to the .31 kernel though |
| 03:29.23 | jaypro | so where do i go to install other applications? |
| 03:29.26 | slaxxer | where is it? |
| 03:29.30 | fredrin | with the new graphic stuff |
| 03:29.53 | slaxxer | room 101 at 2nd floor |
| 03:30.42 | fredrin | http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.31/images/om-gta02/ but not sure what work and dont work |
| 03:30.49 | fredrin | but people say it much faster |
| 03:31.06 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.31 | slaxxer | thanks i try it here pretty quick |
| 03:31.57 | slaxxer | shr image 136+ megs |
| 03:32.57 | slaxxer | 1.8 megs?/ |
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| 03:34.32 | gonzoism | when I hold the AUX button down, and then POWER button, that is NOR bootloader ? and just powering the gta02 on normally is the NAND bootloader ? do i have that right ? |
| 03:34.43 | rozzin | Yes. |
| 03:35.14 | gonzoism | My NOR bootloader is uboot, i'm sure. How do i see what bootloader the NAND uses ? |
| 03:36.08 | rozzin | gonzoism: Boot without holding AUX? |
| 03:36.20 | rozzin | gonzoism: Or dump it via dfu-util? |
| 03:36.27 | slaxxer | well if u have a nand bootloader its uboot |
| 03:36.50 | slaxxer | if u can see it i mean |
| 03:36.51 | gonzoism | ok |
| 03:37.33 | slaxxer | if u cant power+aux to a menu |
| 03:37.49 | rozzin | gonzoism: why do you ask? |
| 03:37.52 | slaxxer | that would be Qi |
| 03:38.12 | gonzoism | all I see when powering on normally is the openmoko splash screen for a second and then text starts scrolling |
| 03:38.38 | slaxxer | what happens when u power+aux? |
| 03:38.48 | gonzoism | i get the uboot menu |
| 03:39.09 | slaxxer | there u go its uboot an not Qi |
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| 03:39.44 | gonzoism | nor is uboot, i understand that. because aux+power is uboot menu with uboot version at top. |
| 03:39.56 | slaxxer | yup |
| 03:40.13 | gonzoism | regular booting just goes straight to openmoko splash screen. I'm wondering if it has Qi installed on it. |
| 03:40.32 | slaxxer | read above once again |
| 03:41.31 | mmontour | Qi has no splash screen. Also, order matters when pressing the buttons. Power first then Aux gives you the NAND u-boot menu, if you have u-boot installed in NAND |
| 03:41.49 | slaxxer | if u install Qi u will lose the nand uboot |
| 03:42.02 | gonzoism | oh. ok, i didn't know power + aux. i'll check that out now. |
| 03:42.14 | slaxxer | :) |
| 03:42.51 | gonzoism | BOOT MENU (NAND) |
| 03:42.58 | gonzoism | sweet. thanks. |
| 03:43.17 | gonzoism | what is with the flash of red light in the AUX button when normal booting ? |
| 03:43.20 | slaxxer | very good |
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| 03:45.16 | slaxxer | in Qi and a working sdcard install,, it allows u to boot to the nand when pressed after power button |
| 03:46.00 | slaxxer | now we will see if the 11202009 shr-u is ok |
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| 03:47.28 | slaxxer | Killer |
| 03:47.53 | slaxxer | 3 tabs at bottem like 2007.2 |
| 03:49.17 | slaxxer | its best to reinstall instead of using upgrade |
| 03:49.50 | slaxxer | very fast |
| 03:51.52 | fredrin | :) |
| 03:52.02 | fredrin | and that's without .31 kernel :D |
| 03:52.08 | slaxxer | yup |
| 03:52.08 | fredrin | will be much better |
| 03:52.21 | mmontour | gonzoism: u-boot flashes the red LED as part of some logic that checks for battery charge and/or external power (I forget the details). |
| 03:52.35 | gonzoism | thanks. nice to know. |
| 03:56.56 | slaxxer | whew |
| 03:57.01 | gonzoism | does anyone here use the "ip" command much ? today is the first I time I have seen it. kinda surprised me that it existed |
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| 04:01.00 | fredrin | nah |
| 04:05.03 | slaxxer | looks like the kernel needs some more work |
| 04:08.46 | gonzoism | oh, cool. does the splash screen reside on a particular place on the gta02 ? so that you can change it daily without touching anything else ? |
| 04:09.19 | max_posedon | .oO routing in tangogps! |
| 04:10.17 | rozzin | Mm. I guess I'll have to ping Marcus--looks like he's got some free time now :) |
| 04:11.55 | gonzoism | it looks like it does when reading the dfu-util nand flashing instructions on the wiki. awesome ! (i'm probably wrong...) |
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| 04:19.00 | rozzin | gonzoism: re:splasscreens: yes, but I think where depends on what bootloader and OS you're using. |
| 04:20.31 | rozzin | I don't *think* SHR is pushing splashscreens into the onboard NAND when I select a new splash-theme in the settings GUI..., but I could be wrong. |
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| 04:22.05 | gonzoism | you can't flash the NAND partitions with dfu-utils while in the NAND uboot screen, can you ? |
| 04:22.37 | mmontour | Yes you can |
| 04:22.53 | gonzoism | oh. same process as NOR ? |
| 04:23.06 | mmontour | yes |
| 04:23.16 | gonzoism | cool |
| 04:25.31 | gonzoism | ok, so if i want to flash nand kernel, i can boot into nor uboot menu and connect and then run dfu-util command ? |
| 04:25.51 | gonzoism | connect = connect usb cord |
| 04:26.41 | mmontour | You can boot to the u-boot menu via NAND or NOR. Once you've done that, you can use dfu-util to update any of the NAND partitions |
| 04:26.42 | rozzin | Sounds right. |
| 04:27.03 | gonzoism | mmontour thanks, good answer. |
| 04:27.11 | gonzoism | rozzin thanks too. :) |
| 04:28.36 | mmontour | I recommend using NAND u-boot when possible, because you can install a new version that fixes bugs. NOR is fixed at whatever version was installed in the factory |
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| 04:29.25 | mmontour | (although I personally use Qi and have my OS on the SD-card, so I rarely use dfu-util these days) |
| 04:30.23 | gonzoism | why do you do it that way ? |
| 04:31.07 | gonzoism | and, can i flash nor without a debugging board ? |
| 04:31.32 | mmontour | You can do it without a debug board, but you have to open the case and ground a testpoint somewhere on the PCB |
| 04:31.44 | rozzin | You cannot flash NOR through USB. |
| 04:32.03 | rozzin | This is supposed to mean that the FreeRunner is `unbrickable'. |
| 04:32.41 | gonzoism | just curious. i like nor like it is. :) seems like a really good safety net. |
| 04:32.45 | gonzoism | smart. |
| 04:33.10 | mmontour | I like having the OS on the SD card because there's more space (I have a 16G card now) and it's easy to re-install new images |
| 04:33.56 | mmontour | I have a small kernel+rootfs in NAND which exports the uSD card as a usb-storage device, so I can reformat and mount it on my host PC, then un-tar new images onto it |
| 04:34.30 | rozzin | mmontour: Clever. |
| 04:37.24 | gonzoism | i got a 8 gig card today and had the same idea in mind. I don't see a reason to install Qi though. |
| 04:37.52 | gonzoism | i'm putting shr into nand for a more usable backup that i can depend on. |
| 04:38.31 | gonzoism | i'd like to have 4 partitions and 3 os's installed if 2 gig is enough for each. and the 4th partition i'll use for /home/ |
| 04:39.41 | gonzoism | how do you tell uboot to boot different partitions on the card ? i'm thinking that is something i'm gonna have to read up on, and possibly upgrade to the newest uboot to be able to do. |
| 04:40.15 | mmontour | You'll need to create a menu entry to boot each partition. It should be on the wiki somewhere |
| 04:40.32 | gonzoism | i was thinking that too. i'll find it and read it. |
| 04:40.47 | gonzoism | why did you choose qi ? |
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| 04:41.37 | mmontour | At one time it looked like Qi was going to be an "official" openmoko solution, and that u-boot would become obsolete |
| 04:41.39 | rozzin | gonzoism: If you install Qi, some things are easier to configure-- |
| 04:42.11 | mmontour | Also it "just works" for my configuration (only 1 OS at a time). If you're multi-booting then u-boot would be a better choice |
| 04:42.17 | rozzin | like kernel boot parameters, and alternate boot options. |
| 04:43.19 | rozzin | because Qi reads whatever filesystems are on the SD card and NAND, and can read options from a textfile in the filesystem; |
| 04:43.51 | gonzoism | do yall think they will make the gta03 ? nobody sounds very optimistic. |
| 04:44.04 | rozzin | whereas, to set new options on u-boot, you have to reboot and use dfu-util. |
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| 04:44.46 | gonzoism | rozzin that makes sense. uboot seems like lilo, and qi like grub, in that respect. |
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| 04:45.20 | rozzin | gonzoism: Yeah, something like that. |
| 04:45.59 | rozzin | gonzoism: There are a couple of kernel parameters that are set in the default load of u-boot that actually caused problems for me: |
| 04:46.17 | gonzoism | rozzin: if i want a menu entry for each os i have on the usd, rather than the fat + ext2 entry, i'll have to reconfigure uboot and then flash it onto nand, right ? |
| 04:47.19 | rozzin | one being a parameter that forces the root filesystem type to ext2, even if it's actually ext3 or ext4 (forcing it to ext2 means that it's unjournalled, and that it needs to be fsck'd after a hard shutdown or crash) |
| 04:48.06 | mmontour | Configuration parameters including menu entries are stored in a "u-boot_env" partition. There are tools to edit this, or you can use the u-boot command line interface. You'll probably need to install a newer u-boot binary as well (older versions couldn't boot from large-capacity cards) |
| 04:48.20 | rozzin | Oh, using Qi also made the ethernet/USB work correctly (i.e.: get a real MAC address) |
| 04:48.44 | rozzin | gonzoism: What he said :) |
| 04:48.56 | gonzoism | how many partitions are on the nand ? |
| 04:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | there'll be no gta03 |
| 04:49.21 | gonzoism | bummer. |
| 04:49.46 | gonzoism | why are people still working on the project ? PR ? |
| 04:50.07 | gonzoism | i think i read that he has kept 2 staffers on it ?... |
| 04:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 04:50.22 | rozzin | gonzoism: the one area where I find that u-boot excels is that it can turn the LCD on and present a visible menu, whereas Qi just has a funny `hit the AUX button at the right time to skip to the next partition' thing. |
| 04:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | gta03 is completely abandoned |
| 04:50.52 | mmontour | NAND partitions: u-boot, u-boot_env, splash, factory, kernel, rootfs (not sure about the order) |
| 04:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | and OM out of phone designing business |
| 04:51.43 | gonzoism | DocScrutinizer bummer. i wonder how many more units they have before selling out. |
| 04:51.55 | rozzin | Maybe they'll do something when/if they can afford it. |
| 04:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | infinite |
| 04:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | nope, don't hold your breath |
| 04:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | the time window for a small company to come up with a free phone has passed |
| 04:53.20 | rozzin | DocScrutinizer: right, that's the idea. `just buy a FreeRunner already' :) |
| 04:54.21 | gonzoism | infinite is an odd answer... i wonder if the wording of my question ("before selling out") made it possible. :) would you elaborate ? |
| 04:54.43 | rozzin | is happy with his. |
| 04:54.59 | gonzoism | i'm happy with mine. i love it. i loved it a year before i got it. |
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| 04:55.22 | gonzoism | there being a phone on it made it that much better. :) |
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| 04:56.25 | gonzoism | there being a phone on it makes it possible to turn it into a wireless router. |
| 04:57.35 | rozzin | gonzoism: Have you tried coova-chilli? |
| 04:57.50 | gonzoism | no. googling it now. |
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| 04:58.28 | rozzin | Nice tool for setting up and running portable wifi hotspots :) |
| 04:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | gonzoism: the statistics seem to indicate the sells/month curve hits the ground before stock gets substantially diminished |
| 05:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | so sellout will never happen, which is another wording for infinite stock |
| 05:01.55 | gonzoism | makes sense |
| 05:02.11 | rozzin | gonzoism: In other words, buy as many as you want--you're not hurting anyone by doing so ;) |
| 05:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | and even *if* OM will ever be sold out, it's probably worth then to make another few K |
| 05:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | We already have A8 version ;-) |
| 05:03.51 | gonzoism | rozzin: what is that hotspot thing that they were selling ? i think it was running openwrt. it was using like ad-hoc to provide net to units, then broadcasting it out for users. and they could use paypal to purchase internet access from the router... moreka or somthing.... |
| 05:03.57 | gonzoism | moroku... |
| 05:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | though I guess OM wouldn't dare to manuf that version if they ever needed more than stock. A7 is proven |
| 05:04.35 | gonzoism | someone said that the buzz on buzzfixed a7 was worse than the bugfix on a6 |
| 05:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's been me ;-) |
| 05:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | but nevermind |
| 05:05.19 | rozzin | DocScrutinizer: A8 being the version with bug #1024 fixed? |
| 05:05.44 | rozzin | gonzoism: that who were selling? |
| 05:05.51 | gonzoism | i would have gotten an a7 if they had been available. |
| 05:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | nah, 1024 hasn't foind it's way into A8 prototypes |
| 05:06.04 | gonzoism | rozzin: just found it... meraki.net kind of interesting. |
| 05:06.14 | gonzoism | meraki.com sorry. |
| 05:06.39 | slaxxer | maybe if the wikireader does well then things might change as far as gta03 or something better |
| 05:06.40 | rozzin | DocScrutinizer: so what's A8? |
| 05:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | probably something similar to fonero? |
| 05:06.55 | gonzoism | people were hooking them up to solar panels and using them for hotspots everywhere with no wires needed. |
| 05:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | A8 has a completely new microphone, and buzzfix beads, and 4.7uF on headset (bass issue) |
| 05:08.30 | rozzin | gonzoism: Did you find coova-chilli? |
| 05:08.36 | slaxxer | except from the solar panels |
| 05:09.17 | gonzoism | the solar panels were community idea, that they adapted, iirc |
| 05:10.00 | gonzoism | rozzin: yep, bookmarked it. reading about it too. though it seems simpler to just use iptables and dnsmasq in a script. |
| 05:11.24 | gonzoism | rozzin: i guess it makes it simpler to make changes than to wade through a script, especially for people not familiar with iptables. |
| 05:13.38 | gonzoism | rozzin: DocScrutinizer-8looks like there is a version |
| 05:13.39 | gonzoism | ## Signoff #openmoko: katcho ("Leaving.") |
| 05:13.39 | gonzoism | <gonzoism> DocScrutinizer bummer. i wonder how many more units they have before selling out. |
| 05:13.39 | gonzoism | <rozzin> Maybe they'll do something when/if they can afford it. |
| 05:13.39 | gonzoism | <DocScrutinizer> infinite |
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| 05:13.56 | gonzoism | is gone. Gone since Sun Nov 22 21:08:00 2009 |
| 05:14.00 | gonzoism | oh man. sorry |
| 05:14.12 | slaxxer | :) |
| 05:14.16 | gonzoism | i was trying to paste a link to the coovachilli |
| 05:14.53 | gonzoism | ya, sorry. |
| 05:17.47 | gonzoism | http://coova.org/CoovaChilli looks like they have a version for phones at http://www.coova.com/CoovaSX |
| 05:18.26 | slaxxer | installed the .31 kernel an have no gsm |
| 05:18.53 | gonzoism | do i need the modules from shr-unstable ? |
| 05:19.34 | slaxxer | no |
| 05:19.35 | gonzoism | i don't think so. i guess they are available because the kernel is seperate from the filesystem. |
| 05:19.38 | gonzoism | thanks |
| 05:19.55 | max_posedon | slaxxer, yep. because of changed /sys pathes |
| 05:20.00 | slaxxer | ok |
| 05:20.04 | gonzoism | slaxxer: how are you doing kernel upgrades ? just compiling them on your computer ? |
| 05:20.23 | slaxxer | no using the provided ones |
| 05:20.42 | slaxxer | flashing using dfu |
| 05:21.01 | gonzoism | are they coming from the shr project ? |
| 05:21.20 | slaxxer | yes |
| 05:21.38 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.31/images/om-gta02/ |
| 05:22.09 | slaxxer | that one no gsm for me |
| 05:23.23 | slaxxer | tried it twice |
| 05:24.17 | slaxxer | oooo newer images just posted |
| 05:24.24 | gonzoism | heh, yay! |
| 05:24.53 | slaxxer | i think they are the same though |
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| 05:48.51 | gonzoism | about how long does it take to dfu-util 137 mb ? flashing full-shr onto my gta02. |
| 05:49.07 | gonzoism | i'm thinking 30 minutes. |
| 05:49.12 | brian_ | 28 minuits |
| 05:49.17 | brian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.28 | slaxxer | u didnt time it:) |
| 05:57.53 | gonzoism | i would have timed the kernel upgrade, but at the moment, i was flashing a new kernel to my stopwatch.... :P |
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| 06:03.11 | gonzoism | so with an image in nand, can i write to it, or do i have to save my changes somewhere else ? |
| 06:08.17 | mmontour | You can write to the NAND filesystem. |
| 06:09.02 | gonzoism | thanks |
| 06:09.25 | mmontour | If you re-flash a new image you will of course overwrite any saved data, unless you manually back it up first. |
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| 06:14.28 | slaxxer | shr is friendly |
| 06:15.40 | slaxxer | i made an adapter cord for my cardreader (short) |
| 06:17.07 | slaxxer | opkg upgrade failed 2 times |
| 06:17.07 | gonzoism | got a pic ? |
| 06:17.16 | slaxxer | na |
| 06:18.34 | gonzoism | where does "quick launch" go ? |
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| 06:19.28 | slaxxer | i used a usb extension cord an cut the male end off an discarded then soldered an srinked a mini male to it |
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| 06:19.46 | slaxxer | *shrinked |
| 06:20.14 | slaxxer | 3 " |
| 06:20.58 | slaxxer | 29 minuites to flash 142.5megs |
| 06:22.25 | slaxxer | got the latest 20091122 mrmoku .jffs2 an the .31 kernel |
| 06:23.23 | gonzoism | how is gps ? |
| 06:23.32 | slaxxer | not booted yet |
| 06:23.51 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.02 | slaxxer | so i cant test |
| 06:24.40 | gonzoism | inside the phone, or the cord coming out of the antanea ? |
| 06:24.48 | slaxxer | inside |
| 06:24.57 | gonzoism | how did it break ? |
| 06:25.17 | slaxxer | i changed the screen an broke the micro connector off |
| 06:25.27 | slaxxer | me:) |
| 06:26.00 | slaxxer | still no gsm |
| 06:26.16 | gonzoism | how did you change the screen, and are you gonna fix the antanea ? |
| 06:27.15 | slaxxer | i used some toothpics to slowly seperate the screen thats attached with thin 2 sided tape |
| 06:27.28 | slaxxer | from the pcb |
| 06:27.43 | slaxxer | yes i will repair |
| 06:28.02 | slaxxer | still no gsm |
| 06:30.24 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.50 | gonzoism | i mean, why did you change it ? break it ? |
| 06:32.59 | slaxxer | yes |
| 06:33.09 | gonzoism | aw. |
| 06:33.14 | gonzoism | did you want to cry ? |
| 06:33.21 | slaxxer | naa |
| 06:33.33 | gonzoism | i would have been heart broken. :( |
| 06:34.05 | slaxxer | tools break |
| 06:34.50 | slaxxer | but only when u working:) |
| 06:35.08 | gonzoism | ya. mine is a toy... |
| 06:35.20 | slaxxer | now i turn the screen towards me |
| 06:35.45 | gonzoism | were you setting it face down before, or what ? |
| 06:35.54 | slaxxer | i was stacking limbs with freerunner in my pocket |
| 06:36.05 | gonzoism | i get it |
| 06:37.01 | slaxxer | uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+8c65792a5c83c76d662a617a7c4e1ae8104bb6a5-r3.5-om-gta02.bin |
| 06:37.20 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.43 | gonzoism | what is with the long string of numbers ? |
| 06:38.34 | gonzoism | i'm guessing a commit number. |
| 06:39.01 | slaxxer | or md5sum maybe |
| 06:39.13 | gonzoism | lol, quick way to figure that out... |
| 06:39.29 | slaxxer | no gsm with the .31 kernel |
| 06:39.43 | gonzoism | who is mrmoku ? |
| 06:39.58 | slaxxer | user panicking i think |
| 06:40.18 | slaxxer | have u used the wiki? |
| 06:40.29 | rozzin | it's a git revision-identifier. |
| 06:40.35 | gonzoism | for the last 3 days. i'm reading like crazy. |
| 06:40.51 | slaxxer | grains of salt required |
| 06:41.07 | rozzin | git uses sha1 checksums to identify revisions. |
| 06:41.43 | slaxxer | im guessing thats better than md5sums? |
| 06:42.12 | rozzin | Yes, sha1 can be considered a successor to md5. |
| 06:42.29 | slaxxer | better security? |
| 06:42.30 | rozzin | It's bigger, for one :) |
| 06:43.21 | rozzin | The git people think that using hashes to identify revisions protects them from conflicts due to distributed development. |
| 06:43.47 | gonzoism | can we do edge ? (3G) |
| 06:43.58 | slaxxer | a dongle |
| 06:44.11 | rozzin | Not with the FreeRunner's inbuilt modem we can't. |
| 06:44.24 | gonzoism | the dongle provides the hardware ? |
| 06:44.29 | rozzin | But we can use a USB dongle, with the right adaptor. |
| 06:44.36 | rozzin | Yes; |
| 06:44.54 | slaxxer | dont use a hard adapter |
| 06:45.09 | rozzin | these are USB GSM-modem devices; |
| 06:45.41 | gonzoism | is driver development for them maintained by either shr or kernel developers ? |
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| 06:45.48 | rozzin | they're sold for use with laptops. |
| 06:46.08 | rozzin | I'd guess that they work with the standard USB-modem driver, no? |
| 06:46.23 | slaxxer | dont know |
| 06:46.24 | gonzoism | i was thinking so, but kinda unsure about all this stuff. |
| 06:47.02 | rozzin | There's information out there, somewhere. |
| 06:47.06 | gonzoism | yep |
| 06:47.33 | rozzin | they can get kind-of expensive. |
| 06:47.49 | gonzoism | i've used the dongles in linux boxes for internet. very plug and play. used pppd on them. very simple. |
| 06:47.57 | rozzin | Not to mention that it's an ugly solution :) |
| 06:48.21 | rozzin | With a USB stick stickout out of the side of the FreeRunner :) |
| 06:48.28 | gonzoism | didn't know if you could make calls with them, though. |
| 06:48.47 | gonzoism | and an adapter so that the usb fits... very ugly. |
| 06:48.53 | rozzin | gonzoism: the FreeRunner's internal modem is used exactly the same way. |
| 06:49.02 | gonzoism | neat |
| 06:49.28 | rozzin | It's sitting behind a little serial port, inside the FR :) |
| 06:50.14 | slaxxer | thats why i made the adapter cord |
| 06:50.25 | gonzoism | for 3g ? |
| 06:50.41 | rozzin | I don't get what the big deal about 3g is anway :p |
| 06:50.46 | gonzoism | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.13 | gonzoism | slaxxer: you made the adapter cord for 3g ? or just to get the ugly to stop ? :) |
| 06:51.39 | rozzin | That's a fantastic phrase: "to get the ugly to stop". |
| 06:51.49 | rozzin | I may steal that :) |
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| 06:52.05 | brian_ | get the ugly break everything in 1 stroke syndrome |
| 06:52.08 | gonzoism | i got a kick out of it too. i just came up with it, just now. |
| 06:54.56 | gonzoism | shr doesn't seem to write to my sim card. and the "contacts" application seems to have a lot of bugs. if i wanted to read abou that, would that be in the shr wiki, or is that some sort of FSO or something ? |
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| 06:59.57 | gonzoism | OE... not FSO. is that a part of the Open Embedded project or some other project or is it SHR ? |
| 07:01.26 | gonzoism | like the dialer, the "Contacts" and Sms programs. and phone log. |
| 07:02.21 | brian_ | not working? |
| 07:03.06 | gonzoism | well, I would like to read up on them to see if i am using them wrong, or to follow their development. |
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| 07:04.35 | gonzoism | I add contacts, and it doesn't save them to the simm card. and i have sms messages that shouldn't be coming in. i assume they are being stored on a server somewhere or are stored on the sim(phone) card/chip. really old messages from before my freerunner. |
| 07:04.54 | gonzoism | also, sometimes i can't add contacts. |
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| 07:05.15 | brian_ | did ya reboot once? |
| 07:05.35 | brian_ | u have a sim? |
| 07:05.40 | gonzoism | and when somebody calls, it doesn't recognize their number as one of my contacts because the calling number (caller id) has a 1 in front of it. |
| 07:05.59 | gonzoism | i have a sim, its not in. i haven't rebooted since flashing my nand with newest shr. |
| 07:06.17 | gonzoism | today was first time i've flashed my nand. 3rd day with phone. |
| 07:06.36 | brian_ | well u proly wont be able to connect usb unless u reboot |
| 07:06.49 | gonzoism | ok. |
| 07:07.02 | gonzoism | is usb necessary ? |
| 07:07.26 | gonzoism | i mean, i don't understand why you are mentioning that. |
| 07:07.26 | brian_ | see if u can write to sd that way |
| 07:07.42 | gonzoism | not usd, but the phone card for service. |
| 07:07.57 | gonzoism | the phone chip. |
| 07:07.58 | brian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.06 | gonzoism | yeah, not media card. |
| 07:08.07 | brian_ | oo |
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| 07:09.29 | gonzoism | what is the phone card called ? and, i think the media card is called the usd. usd being like an 8 gig microSD ? |
| 07:10.02 | beer1 | morning |
| 07:10.11 | gonzoism | morning |
| 07:11.05 | beer1 | gonzoism: The sim or the microsd? |
| 07:11.30 | gonzoism | both. what do we refer to them as ? |
| 07:11.43 | brian_ | sim or the microsd |
| 07:11.49 | brian_ | correct |
| 07:12.03 | gonzoism | usd is exchangable for microsd ? |
| 07:12.36 | mmontour | "u" is an ASCII approximation of the greek letter "mu", which is the symbol for "micro" |
| 07:12.49 | mmontour | So yes "usd" == "microsd" |
| 07:13.13 | gonzoism | awesome |
| 07:14.15 | gonzoism | so, are the dialer, sms program, and contacts program, maintained by shr or somebody else, like OE ? |
| 07:17.11 | brian_ | it seems that if we are going to have 3 tabs at the bottom of homepage for dialer,contacts,messages ,,then theres no need for desktop icons |
| 07:17.55 | slaxxer | atleast those 3 |
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| 07:19.00 | gonzoism | when i installed the same thing to usd 2 or 3 days ago, those weren't on the screen.... |
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| 07:19.48 | gonzoism | also a lot of other little differences. |
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| 08:11.56 | raster | gonzoism: got that proof? :) |
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| 08:31.14 | gonzoism | raster: nope, haven't seen him online. |
| 08:31.43 | gonzoism | and dunno where his number went. somehow, he got a phone number for my local area code with him in canada. |
| 08:31.46 | gonzoism | but i lost it. |
| 08:32.43 | gonzoism | he works a lot lately. he'll be around. |
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| 08:41.28 | raster | gonzoism: aaah. ok. i'll wait :) |
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| 08:41.53 | gonzoism | how should i change my default shell ? edit /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- ? |
| 08:42.05 | gonzoism | raster: i'm waiting too ! |
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| 08:47.15 | raster | gonzoism: chsh |
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| 08:48.11 | gonzoism | thanks |
| 08:50.12 | gonzoism | doesn't seem to be a package for that. how do i search for a package that would provide that with opkg ? |
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| 11:34.20 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, hi |
| 11:34.21 | panicking | :) |
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| 12:15.38 | kahlb | hello :-= |
| 12:15.42 | kahlb | :-) |
| 12:19.21 | kahlb | is there a known problem with writing sms in shr? When i click "SMS" or "Answer" i'm falling back to my home screen... |
| 12:20.05 | tomcatek | new unstable is really unstable again |
| 12:20.39 | kahlb | what a pity... |
| 12:21.04 | kahlb | which image would you recommend? i'm quite new on this sector... |
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| 13:59.54 | pbaxter | hi all |
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| 15:54.06 | social | I have two broken openmokos, one has broken lcd the other one just does not work, I wonder about replacing lcds, it isn't hard to do or is it? |
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| 16:15.29 | alabd | Good day everyone , KD85.com ships Freerunner A7 with Dboard , wired headset , and pouch 235 Euro , but i humble dont need Dboard , and he said that if you dont want dboard someone esle should buy it and he can not take dboard for himself alone ... does anyone want buy in cheap price ? |
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| 16:18.03 | SpeedEvil | you don't need debug board |
| 16:18.17 | SpeedEvil | unless you want to reprogram the NOR flash for some reason |
| 16:18.22 | SpeedEvil | which yuou should not need to |
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| 16:22.21 | Weiss | or if you want to do scary kernel stuff (even I don't use mine that often) |
| 16:22.31 | Weiss | alabd: they don't offer it without the dboard at all? |
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| 16:36.26 | alabd | Weiss: at all .. |
| 16:37.36 | alabd | for those who joined ... |
| 16:37.45 | alabd | Good day everyone , KD85.com ships Freerunner A7 with Dboard , wired headset , and pouch 235 Euro , but i humble dont need Dboard , and he said that if you dont want dboard someone esle should buy it and he can not take dboard for himself alone ... does anyone want buy dboard in cheap price ? |
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| 16:47.40 | alabd | Weiss: do you want dboard ? |
| 16:51.36 | Weiss | already got one :) |
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| 17:09.10 | brian_ | social yes i replaced my touchscreen |
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| 17:13.54 | alabd | for those who joined ... |
| 17:13.57 | alabd | Good day everyone , KD85.com ships Freerunner A7 with Dboard , wired headset , and pouch 235 Euro , but i humble dont need Dboard , and he said that if you dont want dboard someone esle should buy it and he can not take dboard for himself alone ... does anyone want buy dboard in cheap price ? |
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| 17:37.45 | xxtjaxx | mm How was that again with connecting freerunners with the pc via usb the wiki ( I remember is too old to be correct) |
| 17:40.28 | skhme | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 17:53.33 | xxtjaxx | skhme: exactly thats what I meant |
| 17:54.05 | skhme | Works for me. |
| 17:56.04 | alabd | Good day everyone , KD85.com ships Freerunner A7 with Dboard , wired headset , and pouch 235 Euro , but i humble dont need Dboard , and he said that if you dont want dboard someone esle should buy it and he can not take dboard for himself alone ... does anyone want buy dboard in cheap price ? |
| 17:56.54 | Weiss | alabd: you should post on OM-Community instead of repeating in here |
| 17:57.46 | alabd | yes cause there is not enough time and i humble am in hurry it is better to be repeated by the way ok |
| 17:58.59 | Weiss | I think you're likely to get a much better response on the mailing list than here |
| 18:00.27 | Weiss | but it's up to you |
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| 20:56.41 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsodeviced: add config.vapi" |
| 20:56.41 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 1e4d02d17bd3900cd0061c958cd8e7e42a18fe49. |
| 20:56.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/experimental * rac62aa5921e1 10cornucopia/libfsoframework/vapi/config.vapi: libfsoframework: add config.vapi |
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| 21:53.53 | [Rui] | qkall: hi there! |
| 21:53.56 | qkall | hiya |
| 21:54.02 | [Rui] | so basically the steps are: |
| 21:54.08 | [Rui] | 1) install Qi as boot loader |
| 21:54.24 | [Rui] | 2) make an ext2/3 partition on the µ-sdhc card |
| 21:54.53 | [Rui] | 3) untar the tar.gz from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 21:55.17 | [Rui] | there's a few of them, so perhaps full-om-gta02.tar.gz (which always points to the latest image) |
| 21:56.11 | qkall | do i need two partitions? |
| 21:56.17 | qkall | of just the one? |
| 21:56.22 | [Rui] | no, one is enough |
| 21:56.42 | [Rui] | of course you can make one for swap, but you may just as well use swap on a file |
| 21:56.46 | [Rui] | if needed at all |
| 21:57.19 | qkall | and a fat32 partition correct? |
| 21:57.24 | [Rui] | no |
| 21:57.26 | [Rui] | no need |
| 21:57.41 | qkall | then what type of format i meant |
| 21:58.02 | [Rui] | for 1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 21:58.43 | [Rui] | qkall: mke2fs /dev/whatEverYourSdIs1 |
| 22:02.00 | qkall | [Rui]: i htink i flashed teh boot right... how do i verify |
| 22:02.58 | [Rui] | when you do 2) and 3) and then boot? :) |
| 22:03.32 | [Rui] | qkall: if there were no error messages you should be fine |
| 22:04.34 | qkall | kay currently formating my sdhc... |
| 22:04.59 | [Rui] | when it boots, it does take some time |
| 22:05.04 | [Rui] | about a couple of minutes |
| 22:05.13 | qkall | does it produce any output? |
| 22:05.19 | qkall | or something to look at |
| 22:05.20 | [Rui] | when you see the desktop icons... don't do anything yet |
| 22:05.29 | [Rui] | just let it settle down until it asks for your pin code |
| 22:05.51 | qkall | kay and do i want to use an unstable build or testing (which the wiki suggests) |
| 22:06.07 | [Rui] | well, the testing image is REALLY extremely old |
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| 22:06.47 | [Rui] | the current unstable image is not quite ready yet for using as a phone, there's a few bugs... but hopefully they'll get sorted out in a short while... |
| 22:07.06 | [Rui] | at least I use it as my main phone so I really need it working :) |
| 22:07.32 | [Rui] | qkall: but I'm hoping you didn't buy an OpenMoko expecting a fully matured Nokia phone, right? :) |
| 22:07.33 | qkall | so the unstalbe is useable.? |
| 22:07.39 | qkall | no no |
| 22:07.44 | qkall | it's a hobby phone |
| 22:07.54 | qkall | i have a regular phone.. but eh |
| 22:07.58 | [Rui] | more or less. I seriously advise you to follow the lists, hang around the IRC channel... |
| 22:08.09 | qkall | will do... |
| 22:08.14 | [Rui] | it's a good way to know whether the unstable is somewhat stable... |
| 22:08.18 | qkall | 4 minutes left to download |
| 22:08.33 | [Rui] | unstable is like debian unstable. |
| 22:08.45 | [Rui] | many people run it, but sometimes all hell breaks loose. |
| 22:08.46 | qkall | oh um should i download the kernel aswell? |
| 22:09.16 | [Rui] | so my recommendation is to not upgrade unless peple answer you telling it looks ok :) |
| 22:09.26 | [Rui] | qkall: no need, the tar.gz includes it |
| 22:09.35 | [Rui] | qkall: that's mostly for installing in the nand flash |
| 22:09.42 | qkall | awesome i rather deal with this then flashing shit... |
| 22:10.02 | qkall | its kind of like how i used to use nix on my jornanda 720 :D |
| 22:10.08 | [Rui] | hehe |
| 22:11.52 | qkall | so what should i do with the flashed image being messed up |
| 22:12.02 | qkall | i guess since we're on the subject... could i flash iwth andriod? |
| 22:12.38 | qkall | and still bood shr |
| 22:15.03 | qkall | [Rui]: should i use tar -xjvpf to extract |
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| 22:21.36 | [Rui] | qkall: sry, got idle |
| 22:22.09 | [Rui] | there's some people doing android for freerunner, but I personally don't care much for it :) |
| 22:22.45 | qkall | [Rui]: well whats teh extract command i'm googing with no avail... |
| 22:23.04 | [Rui] | I think I just did sudo tar xzvf |
| 22:23.29 | qkall | literally jus tround that |
| 22:23.30 | qkall | found* |
| 22:33.32 | qkall | ...i'm getting tons of permission issues... [Rui] i should i booted a puppy disk :/ |
| 22:33.55 | [Rui] | ? |
| 22:34.16 | qkall | 'operation not permitted' and ownership could be changed |
| 22:37.37 | [Rui] | qkall: really don't know |
| 22:37.52 | [Rui] | maybe it's the normal messages and I don't remember. |
| 22:37.54 | qkall | well i guess i'll see it fail when i boot it... |
| 22:37.56 | [Rui] | but it's booted? |
| 22:38.07 | [Rui] | you got operation not permitted when? |
| 22:38.14 | qkall | when extracting |
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| 22:39.58 | [Rui] | qkall: ? |
| 22:40.02 | [Rui] | qkall: you did something wrong then |
| 22:40.14 | qkall | tar: ./usr: Cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: Operation not permitted |
| 22:40.14 | qkall | tar: ./sbin: Cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: Operation not permitted |
| 22:40.14 | qkall | tar: .: Cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: Operation not permitted |
| 22:40.16 | [Rui] | mount /dev/sdwhatever1 /mnt |
| 22:40.17 | [Rui] | cd /mnt |
| 22:40.27 | [Rui] | tar xzvf /tmp/image |
| 22:40.29 | qkall | ... |
| 22:40.33 | qkall | yeah i forgot that... |
| 22:40.34 | qkall | bah |
| 22:40.35 | [Rui] | but tar... must be run as root |
| 22:40.48 | [Rui] | and from inside the mount point |
| 22:41.04 | qkall | wait no it was mounted ... |
| 22:41.06 | qkall | hm.. |
| 22:41.11 | qkall | lemme check it brb |
| 22:41.42 | [Rui] | qkall: if you did untar in the root filesystem of your computer, I surely hope you didn't do it as root, or you'll probably have to reinstall the system on it :) |
| 22:42.13 | qkall | not that new ;) |
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| 22:51.01 | qkall | ...haha extracted to the wrong partition on the sdhc... |
| 22:52.56 | [Rui] | hms |
| 22:54.33 | qkall | there we go no errors |
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| 22:54.55 | [Rui] | ah :) |
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| 22:56.54 | qkall | how long should i wait till after its done... the adapter i have doesn't blink... which is pretty annoying... but alas. |
| 22:57.59 | qkall | well it claims my terminal is still doing something... |
| 22:58.48 | [Rui] | should be around a couple of minutes... |
| 23:01.19 | rozzin | qkall: What are you waiting for? |
| 23:01.37 | qkall | the terminal to finish extracting the tarball |
| 23:01.52 | qkall | lets see if it worked |
| 23:04.05 | qkall | seems to be booting... |
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| 23:07.24 | qkall | ok let's try that again.. |
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| 23:25.22 | qkall | [Rui]: success i think... i'm at some language thingie i'll follow and see |
| 23:25.38 | [Rui] | qkall: cool! |
| 23:25.47 | qkall | i'm going to assume to choice illume shr? |
| 23:25.54 | [Rui] | yes |
| 23:27.11 | qkall | got an error |
| 23:27.22 | qkall | error loading module |
| 23:37.25 | [Rui] | qkall: don't know... :) |
| 23:37.28 | [Rui] | but explore around |
| 23:37.32 | [Rui] | I'm going to bed |
| 23:38.31 | qkall | [Rui]: thanks i think its working |
| 23:38.40 | [Rui] | qkall: great! :) |
| 23:38.40 | qkall | really really appreciate all your help |
| 23:38.53 | [Rui] | qkall: I just quickstarted you into the current status quo :) |
| 23:39.01 | [Rui] | qkall: now the adventure really starts :D |
| 23:39.08 | qkall | yeah...lol |
| 23:39.35 | qkall | funny thing is i misplaced the back of the case... |
| 23:39.39 | qkall | literally just had it... |
| 23:39.57 | Slaxxed | check your lap |
| 23:40.08 | qkall | nope under my foot |
| 23:40.23 | [Rui] | qkall: not good |
| 23:40.42 | qkall | haha its fine i loose/find things all day |
| 23:41.10 | [Rui] | yeah, but stepping on them can make them worse than lost: broken |
| 23:41.41 | qkall | it was lightly rested i assure you |
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