| 00:00.02 | jaunty | where do you check ? |
| 00:00.26 | jaunty | also is there a wifi manager on it ? or, what is the dhcp client ? |
| 00:01.13 | tomcatek | for wifi I recommend mokonnect |
| 00:01.51 | tomcatek | for DHCP is udhcpc |
| 00:01.58 | jaunty | lol, how about a package manager ? |
| 00:02.00 | tomcatek | at least in mine |
| 00:02.03 | tomcatek | opkg |
| 00:02.10 | tomcatek | console only |
| 00:02.47 | tomcatek | AFAIK of course :) |
| 00:02.47 | jaunty | opkg -i package_name |
| 00:02.47 | jaunty | or opkg install package_name ? |
| 00:02.48 | tomcatek | yep |
| 00:02.50 | tomcatek | opkg install |
| 00:04.10 | tomcatek | see the wiki |
| 00:04.17 | tomcatek | everything is in there |
| 00:04.35 | tomcatek | if something is not, here is a good place to ask |
| 00:05.08 | jaunty | i was going to ask also, is there another good source of info, like the wiki ? |
| 00:06.02 | jaunty | been searching google for.... well, years. doesn't seem to be another good repository. |
| 00:06.14 | tomcatek | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 00:06.40 | tomcatek | main one |
| 00:08.01 | tomcatek | when You will have some other (more functional) distro installed, You probably will look more into diustro specific wiki |
| 00:08.20 | jaunty | that makes sense |
| 00:08.48 | jaunty | when i go to install a distro, it will install onto the microSD card, right ? |
| 00:09.01 | tomcatek | depends |
| 00:09.23 | tomcatek | You can install in on uSD or internal flash |
| 00:09.43 | lindi-_ | or both :) |
| 00:09.59 | lindi-_ | you can also use external usb stick if you really want ;) |
| 00:10.16 | jaunty | uSD is the rescue flash, isn't it ? |
| 00:10.30 | lindi-_ | huh? |
| 00:10.36 | tomcatek | uSD = microSD |
| 00:10.40 | jaunty | ah |
| 00:11.13 | tomcatek | on "rescue flash" there is bootloader installed |
| 00:11.30 | jaunty | and you get to that with alt button ? |
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| 00:11.42 | tomcatek | yes |
| 00:11.58 | jaunty | and there is a micro distro in there as well as the boot loader ? |
| 00:12.27 | mjr | no, just the boot loader |
| 00:12.41 | mjr | but you can reflash the rest with that |
| 00:13.42 | tomcatek | if You really want, You can reflash bootloader, but there is some risk, that You will have one brick more :] |
| 00:14.28 | mjr | well, you can't reflash the (backup) nor bootloader without a debug board |
| 00:14.58 | tomcatek | backup not |
| 00:15.19 | jaunty | it has u-boot on it now, i assume. and not Qi. |
| 00:15.34 | tomcatek | I still use uBoot |
| 00:15.38 | lindi-_ | jaunty: Qi would be somewhat useless there |
| 00:15.45 | jaunty | and as far as i can tell, u-boot seems better for me because |
| 00:15.46 | jaunty | :) |
| 00:15.47 | jaunty | yep |
| 00:15.49 | jaunty | good |
| 00:16.01 | jaunty | well, is there a dhclient on here ? |
| 00:16.35 | jaunty | i can start doing ls /sbin and so on to find out, as long as i recognize its name. |
| 00:16.58 | lindi-_ | jaunty: where? |
| 00:17.02 | lindi-_ | i surely have dhclient |
| 00:17.07 | jaunty | cause i need net on it to get opkg to install mokonnect |
| 00:17.28 | jaunty | lindi-_ on OM.whichever_i_have |
| 00:17.41 | jaunty | new a6 |
| 00:17.55 | lindi-_ | jaunty: no idea what that has |
| 00:18.26 | jaunty | also, is SHR the way i want to go ? it sounds like it is the most popular. |
| 00:18.40 | jaunty | i definitely want to be on and working on what everyone else is using. |
| 00:20.00 | tomcatek | i have SHR on mine, and it's usable as a daily phone |
| 00:26.39 | jaunty | is gone. off |
| 00:26.43 | jaunty | sorry |
| 00:29.20 | lindi-_ | jaunty: debian here |
| 00:30.52 | jaunty | green battery ! |
| 00:30.59 | jaunty | that means charged, right ? |
| 00:31.28 | tomcatek | does the light on the side turned blue? |
| 00:31.41 | jaunty | no light on the side. |
| 00:31.57 | jaunty | i haven't noticed a light on the side since i plugged it in. i was wondering about that |
| 00:32.00 | tomcatek | power button is the light :) |
| 00:32.04 | jaunty | ya |
| 00:32.07 | jaunty | no light |
| 00:32.38 | tomcatek | hm.... |
| 00:32.43 | mmontour | The LED is controlled by software. Older distros don't use it. |
| 00:33.09 | jaunty | how do i figure out which om.200xxxx i have ? |
| 00:33.15 | tomcatek | that's why You should change Your software :] |
| 00:33.18 | jaunty | wiki says i bet. |
| 00:33.28 | jaunty | yeah, i was thinking the same too |
| 00:33.37 | jaunty | i'm thinking shr. |
| 00:33.49 | jaunty | when i install it, i lose the OS i have now, right ? |
| 00:34.39 | jaunty | and, i guess shr has a compiler ? |
| 00:34.44 | mmontour | no great loss... |
| 00:34.52 | tomcatek | even if, that soft in almost unusable |
| 00:35.03 | tomcatek | and not developed for some time |
| 00:35.09 | jaunty | ya, ya'll are right |
| 00:36.03 | mmontour | You can actually keep the factory OS on NAND flash, and install your new distro onto a uSD card. |
| 00:36.12 | jaunty | that is what i want to do. |
| 00:36.24 | jaunty | and i bet the wiki has a good howto... i don't mind reading. |
| 00:36.39 | tomcatek | yes, it does |
| 00:36.41 | jaunty | was really expecting a manual in the box with it. :) |
| 00:37.00 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 00:37.05 | jaunty | lol |
| 00:37.06 | jaunty | ya |
| 00:38.54 | tomcatek | is going to sleep |
| 00:39.03 | jaunty | thanks tomcatek. |
| 00:39.16 | tomcatek | jaunty: no problem |
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| 01:40.12 | jaunty | why does ubuntu not let you cat output to files: cat 1 > ip_forward |
| 01:40.21 | jaunty | echo i mean |
| 01:40.23 | jaunty | not cat |
| 01:41.42 | jaunty | that is irritating. |
| 01:42.00 | mjr | It does. You're probably trying sudo echo 1 > ip_forward |
| 01:42.47 | jaunty | yep |
| 01:43.14 | jaunty | worked like a charm. i didn't ever realize that about sudo. thanks |
| 01:44.24 | mjr | It's not about sudo, it's about the shell. It opens any file redirections and needs to have the privileges to do so. |
| 01:45.56 | jaunty | lol, how do i stop ping on the freerunner ? |
| 01:45.57 | jaunty | :) |
| 01:46.05 | jaunty | not ctrl- key |
| 01:47.12 | jaunty | funny... thanks, i got networking |
| 01:53.45 | jaunty | if i get a usb adapter (if they make one) can i use the little usb port on the freerunner and plug in a full size usb device into it? for instance, a keyboard or a joypad ? |
| 01:54.07 | jaunty | i've wondered that for a long time. |
| 01:56.35 | mjr | yes (you need to put the port into host mode on the Freerunner, but that's just a matter of settings) |
| 01:57.45 | jaunty | thanks |
| 01:58.38 | jaunty | think hooking up webcams or other power hungry devices would break anything ? |
| 02:00.16 | mjr | the FR should be able to put out the 500mA USB spec requires; people have used things like 3g sticks with it without trouble, though apparently at least N900 when plugged into a host mode Neo will try to draw too much current... |
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| 02:00.53 | mjr | check that the webcam supports usb 1.1 |
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| 02:03.47 | jaunty | thanks |
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| 02:15.48 | jaunty | what is the deal with the echo ? i don't see anything about it on the wiki |
| 02:21.09 | mjr | it's elementary shell functionality, probably nobody thought it relevant |
| 02:21.33 | jaunty | oh |
| 02:21.37 | jaunty | i meant the echo on calls |
| 02:21.39 | jaunty | sorry about that |
| 02:22.00 | mjr | oh |
| 02:22.09 | jaunty | i'm guessing it has been fixed in software updates. |
| 02:22.16 | jaunty | depending on the OS |
| 02:22.21 | mjr | are you using the original shipped firmware? |
| 02:22.35 | jaunty | yes, i haven't installed another yet. i will. |
| 02:22.57 | jaunty | in the next few hours, i think. I'm still looking what is on it now. |
| 02:22.58 | mjr | yes, current software tends to eg. enable the GSM chip's echo cancellation :] |
| 02:23.07 | jaunty | thanks. |
| 02:23.29 | jaunty | if i am not getting the "buzz" now, is it likely it will pop up in the future ? |
| 02:23.36 | jaunty | i'm guessing no on that as well. |
| 02:25.27 | jaunty | did you say that you were using debian earlier ? |
| 02:26.12 | mjr | I tried that earlier, had some trouble, though it was a good while ago |
| 02:26.21 | mjr | haven't really had the energy to tweak much lately |
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| 02:51.32 | jaunty | which are you using now ? |
| 02:51.38 | jaunty | or which is your favorite ? |
| 02:53.46 | mjr | SHR |
| 02:56.04 | jaunty | how big is the install ? i have a 512 mb usd... |
| 02:56.15 | jaunty | and I would like to install it on that. |
| 02:58.12 | mjr | I think they mostly make images meant for the internal nand flash |
| 02:58.22 | mjr | don't know if they support microsd installation |
| 03:01.25 | jaunty | k |
| 03:01.50 | jaunty | df -h gives me 256mb free. the nand flash is really 128mb isn't it ? |
| 03:05.28 | max_posedon | 256 on gta02 |
| 03:05.36 | max_posedon | 64 on gta01 |
| 03:11.19 | mjr | also, you'll generally use a compressed filesystem (such as jffs2) on the nand, might want to take that into account |
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| 04:24.10 | jaunty | are any of the mailing lists active ? |
| 04:25.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dunno, too much noise ;-P |
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| 04:27.03 | jaunty | :) |
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| 04:39.36 | Undrwater | moko ones? |
| 04:39.53 | jaunty | ya |
| 04:40.18 | Undrwater | since the shr release, yes...before that i got really quiet |
| 04:40.26 | Undrwater | *it |
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| 04:41.05 | jaunty | which list ? all of them ? |
| 04:41.25 | Undrwater | mostly OM community and SHR user |
| 04:41.37 | jaunty | thank you |
| 04:41.42 | Undrwater | you can see the activity on nabble |
| 04:42.24 | jaunty | nice |
| 04:43.25 | KenYoung | I foolishly installed the SHR Christmas present, and now I have a non-working phone? Could anyone point me to where I could find the Fri 13th mrmoku image? |
| 04:43.58 | jaunty | lol |
| 04:44.13 | jaunty | i was about to install that |
| 04:44.43 | KenYoung | Well, I can still ssh in over USB. Not much else. |
| 04:45.45 | KenYoung | The images in testing may not be hopeless, but the instructions about what to install afterwards, which are on the "Planet" page now, seem to really screw it up royally. |
| 04:46.28 | jaunty | i just got my freerunner today. :) |
| 04:46.48 | KenYoung | jaunty, Your first Freerunnner? |
| 04:47.41 | jaunty | yep |
| 04:48.35 | jaunty | i'm really happy. i've been wanting one since they came out. i was wanting one way before then too. in the 90's i wanted this without the cell phone. :) |
| 04:48.39 | KenYoung | jaunty, Well, don't let my earlier comments discourage you. Freerunners really are a lot of fun. I've enjoyed mine immensely. |
| 04:49.00 | jaunty | cause cell phones weren't the same back then. |
| 04:49.29 | jaunty | oh, no way i'm discouraged. they told me that they were impossible to brick with out a debug board. I'm fearless. :) |
| 04:50.01 | mjr | you can substitute debug board with a hammer for bricking purposes |
| 04:50.06 | jaunty | lol |
| 04:51.01 | jaunty | or water... i've had a lot of bad luck with water... actually, moisture has gotten all my phones. last phone was sweat from my face. |
| 04:51.33 | jaunty | while talking on it and walking outside. |
| 04:52.27 | jaunty | i'm trying to figure out the gsm update right now. |
| 04:54.04 | fredrin | gl |
| 04:54.10 | fredrin | it's easy |
| 04:54.15 | jaunty | thanks |
| 04:54.16 | fredrin | just do as the wiki tells you |
| 04:54.31 | jaunty | i didn't really understand it |
| 04:54.42 | fredrin | url |
| 04:54.44 | jaunty | well, it seemed unclear |
| 04:54.57 | fredrin | let me see |
| 04:56.11 | jaunty | i've been reading about the phone for a while. wiki and everything else i could find. i'm documenting everything i've done so far, (not much) cause i learn very well by writing howto's |
| 04:56.25 | fredrin | that's nice to do |
| 04:56.30 | fredrin | maybe you can publish it later |
| 04:56.40 | jaunty | i was kinda hoping so. |
| 04:56.49 | jaunty | i like writing documentation. i like writing. |
| 04:56.53 | fredrin | :) |
| 04:57.00 | fredrin | i dont :D |
| 04:57.14 | fredrin | but i can help you now |
| 04:57.16 | fredrin | got time |
| 04:57.21 | jaunty | oh ya. lol |
| 04:57.23 | fredrin | what wiki page are you looking at? |
| 04:58.04 | jaunty | lol, all of them. i'm on the one for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Klaszlo#Checking_GSM_firmware_version and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Updating_the_GSM_Firmware |
| 04:58.16 | jaunty | (getting started) |
| 04:58.57 | fredrin | have you downloaded http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz |
| 04:59.00 | fredrin | ? |
| 04:59.03 | jaunty | nope |
| 04:59.08 | jaunty | getting it now |
| 04:59.09 | fredrin | do it |
| 05:00.25 | jaunty | the partitioning part confused me. |
| 05:00.44 | fredrin | what computer are you on? |
| 05:01.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | bother. both AU government data sets are completely non-free :( *was hoping for some handy data* |
| 05:01.44 | jaunty | a laptop. jaunty ubuntu. |
| 05:01.54 | fredrin | ncie |
| 05:02.12 | jaunty | got the freerunner in wifi with ssh. i can do usb0 too. should i start that too ? |
| 05:02.46 | fredrin | no |
| 05:02.55 | fredrin | the freerunner should be turned off |
| 05:03.37 | jaunty | it is. 15 minutes eta on the image |
| 05:04.10 | fredrin | when you get the image, you unpack it on your laptop |
| 05:04.24 | jaunty | k |
| 05:05.45 | jaunty | oh. looks easy from there. |
| 05:05.59 | fredrin | jupp |
| 05:06.06 | fredrin | most of the things are on the wiki |
| 05:07.23 | jaunty | yeah, the dd part was confusing because i didn't understand it meant my laptop. and "The uSD image will have to be written on a uSD, which will overwrite all its content, so as to make sure it is repartitioned correctly and that it contains the correct bootable system. " was throwing me. |
| 05:07.39 | jaunty | i see it now. |
| 05:07.42 | fredrin | ok |
| 05:08.02 | jaunty | nor-u-boot is the alt-button uboot, isn't it ? |
| 05:08.11 | fredrin | yes |
| 05:08.22 | fredrin | hold aux and then power |
| 05:08.25 | jaunty | i think i got it. |
| 05:08.33 | fredrin | :D |
| 05:09.12 | jaunty | thanks |
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| 05:10.30 | fredrin | np |
| 05:10.39 | fredrin | where are you from? |
| 05:11.21 | jaunty | are you using illume ? |
| 05:11.28 | jaunty | i'm in texas. waco |
| 05:11.29 | fredrin | yes |
| 05:11.32 | fredrin | shr |
| 05:11.46 | jaunty | how big is the illume install ? |
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| 05:11.49 | fredrin | tried the new shr-unstable today on the uSD card |
| 05:11.53 | jaunty | i mean, the shr install |
| 05:11.58 | fredrin | but did not trust the nonworking phone parts |
| 05:12.15 | fredrin | so i'm back to an old shr in the nand that works |
| 05:12.21 | Undrwater | there are 2 shr installs |
| 05:12.30 | fredrin | i used lite |
| 05:12.39 | fredrin | less to download and less to go wrong |
| 05:12.51 | Undrwater | some things are faster..some are slower, but there is progress |
| 05:13.04 | fredrin | for sure |
| 05:13.12 | jaunty | where is the main shr page ? |
| 05:13.17 | fredrin | respect to the devs |
| 05:13.23 | Undrwater | for downloads? |
| 05:13.32 | jaunty | and for info. yes, both. |
| 05:13.34 | fredrin | they got a blog and some wikishit |
| 05:13.52 | fredrin | should be some more |
| 05:13.55 | Undrwater | http://blog.shr-project.org/ |
| 05:14.12 | Undrwater | http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-Users-discussions-f2691941.html |
| 05:14.13 | fredrin | get into github maybe |
| 05:14.21 | fredrin | have good comunity home page |
| 05:14.26 | Undrwater | http://build.shr-project.org/ |
| 05:14.27 | fredrin | where news get posted |
| 05:14.35 | fredrin | like what's gets into the opkg feeds |
| 05:14.47 | Undrwater | http://shr-project.org/trac |
| 05:16.35 | fredrin | but things are getting better :D |
| 05:17.05 | jaunty | i did linux from scratch for years and years until i went to college. (agriculture) |
| 05:17.19 | jaunty | i'm used to things not being tweaked or stable. |
| 05:17.36 | fredrin | nothing is imho |
| 05:17.37 | fredrin | :) |
| 05:17.41 | jaunty | i like that stuff. |
| 05:18.01 | fredrin | but a phone should be among the more stable things in life |
| 05:18.24 | jaunty | i've got a landline for that. plus i never go anywhere... :) |
| 05:18.38 | fredrin | :) |
| 05:18.44 | jaunty | i'm real happy. :) |
| 05:18.53 | jaunty | been waiting forever to get this phone. |
| 05:18.56 | fredrin | with gps you can go anywhere |
| 05:19.20 | jaunty | ya. i'm going to like that too. |
| 05:19.32 | jaunty | who is making the maps we download ? |
| 05:19.36 | jaunty | a company ? |
| 05:19.42 | Undrwater | OSM |
| 05:19.43 | fredrin | depends |
| 05:19.46 | fredrin | you can choose |
| 05:19.46 | Undrwater | open streetmap usually |
| 05:19.54 | fredrin | google, open streetmap |
| 05:20.09 | jaunty | already did. ;) |
| 05:20.33 | Undrwater | you can use garmin too with navit |
| 05:20.48 | fredrin | is navit anygood? |
| 05:20.52 | fredrin | never tried it |
| 05:20.56 | Undrwater | getting better all the time |
| 05:21.47 | Undrwater | sometimes i get nav'ed a few hundred meters away from my dest, but the folks on #navit are very responsive |
| 05:22.11 | fredrin | :) |
| 05:22.28 | Undrwater | so you let them know your source and dest, and they can help troubleshoot |
| 05:23.10 | Undrwater | i use tomtom on my treo, and 8 times out of 10, the navigation is the same |
| 05:23.25 | Undrwater | i should say "routing" |
| 05:23.32 | jaunty | where are you at, fredrin ? |
| 05:23.48 | fredrin | norway oslo |
| 05:25.25 | jaunty | is there a trick for getting the sd card out ? i read something about scotch tape... |
| 05:25.36 | Undrwater | shouldn't be that hard |
| 05:26.05 | Undrwater | you mean pulling up the hinge? or after that step? |
| 05:26.19 | jaunty | pulling up the hinge. i used a knife at the side corner. |
| 05:26.32 | Undrwater | i usually use a fingernail |
| 05:26.40 | jaunty | seemed to do it. |
| 05:26.48 | jaunty | i'm all afraid i'm gonna break it. :) |
| 05:27.07 | Undrwater | maybe it gets easier as you play with it |
| 05:27.13 | Undrwater | not much chance of that |
| 05:27.40 | Undrwater | unless you're very ham-handed |
| 05:28.39 | jaunty | i'm accident prone.... |
| 05:28.40 | jaunty | [34049.744191] tifm_core: MMC/SD card detected in socket 0:1 |
| 05:28.40 | jaunty | [34049.922282] mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 05:28.43 | jaunty | lol |
| 05:28.56 | Undrwater | you did that while ssh'ed? |
| 05:29.08 | jaunty | no. that is dmesg on laptop |
| 05:29.13 | Undrwater | oh |
| 05:30.04 | jaunty | tried again. worked. :) |
| 05:30.16 | Undrwater | yay |
| 05:31.21 | Undrwater | jaunty: ever played with zaruus? |
| 05:32.32 | jaunty | no |
| 05:33.06 | jaunty | something to do with WoW ? |
| 05:33.30 | Undrwater | no...linux PDA |
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| 05:34.06 | Undrwater | not open like OM...but still quite nice |
| 05:34.44 | jaunty | sounds familiar now... i probably read about it a few years ago. |
| 05:35.20 | jaunty | i had a palm pilot a few years ago. put linux on it. |
| 05:35.24 | Undrwater | lot of the same devs |
| 05:35.34 | jaunty | but i don't think i went with that flavor |
| 05:35.48 | Undrwater | raster has an illume image for treo |
| 05:35.54 | jaunty | cool |
| 05:36.14 | Undrwater | it's neat...but doesn't run in flash or NAND or whatever...requires SD |
| 05:36.58 | jaunty | finally, the SD card worked |
| 05:38.14 | Undrwater | coool |
| 05:40.49 | Undrwater | be sure to install eve and eve-themes |
| 05:41.20 | jaunty | ok, any favorite themes of yours ? |
| 05:42.00 | jaunty | do you use the screen command ? |
| 05:42.16 | Undrwater | screen command? oh..."screen"? |
| 05:42.29 | jaunty | yep |
| 05:42.50 | Undrwater | not super familiar with it...used it a couple of times when i had a server |
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| 05:44.13 | jaunty | all my shells run it |
| 05:44.24 | jaunty | when i start a term |
| 05:44.53 | jaunty | i got .screenrc prefs that enables shift-PgUP and down |
| 05:45.45 | Undrwater | coolio |
| 05:45.55 | jaunty | i think the relevant part is "defnoblock 1" but ironically enough, I didn't comment it.... |
| 05:47.15 | jaunty | where did you get the image of shr for your SD card ? got a link ? |
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| 05:47.30 | Undrwater | no...usually i mount the jffs |
| 05:48.16 | jaunty | how do you do that ? make a new image or something ? or cp it to the SD ? |
| 05:49.10 | fredrin | dd |
| 05:49.27 | jaunty | u-boot 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 05:49.42 | jaunty | that is my uboot version |
| 05:49.48 | fredrin | ok |
| 05:49.49 | jaunty | on nor |
| 05:50.09 | fredrin | mostly the same |
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| 05:50.29 | Undrwater | there is a wiki for mounting jffs |
| 05:50.31 | jaunty | with it being moko12, and i'm installing gsm moko11 update... |
| 05:50.44 | jaunty | i'm not fixing to downgrade, am I ? |
| 05:51.10 | fredrin | it's not the same |
| 05:51.14 | jaunty | k, thanks |
| 05:51.25 | fredrin | gsm firmware != uboot |
| 05:51.26 | Undrwater | you need to see which firmware you have |
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| 05:53.00 | jaunty | undrwater, i was just thinking that. i think i can boot the phone with the sd card still in it, and boot normally, and check that way, right ? |
| 05:53.22 | Undrwater | are you look at the wiki for the upgrade? |
| 05:53.41 | Undrwater | and yes...boot to NAND |
| 05:53.45 | fredrin | you dont need the sd-card to boot |
| 05:53.48 | fredrin | in nand |
| 05:54.55 | Undrwater | lord i dislike shr-today |
| 05:55.42 | jaunty | and i need to install the package, shr ? because i didn't have the shr command earlier |
| 05:56.39 | Undrwater | jaunty: you'll need to re-word that...didn't quite understand |
| 05:57.03 | jaunty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.04 | jaunty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.05 | jaunty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.14 | jaunty | i don't have that or mikkeyterm |
| 05:57.26 | Undrwater | ohh...you can ssh...much better |
| 05:57.31 | jaunty | ok |
| 05:58.33 | jaunty | oh, the lib-gsmd tool. and then the rv command... i did that. |
| 05:58.41 | jaunty | what am i looking for ? |
| 05:59.08 | jaunty | i guess that is how you check gsm firware ? |
| 05:59.08 | Undrwater | hmmm...what documentation are you lookin at? |
| 05:59.16 | jaunty | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Klaszlo#Checking_GSM_firmware_version |
| 06:00.04 | Undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Updating_the_GSM_Firmware |
| 06:00.44 | jaunty | i was doing that before |
| 06:01.13 | Undrwater | did you do the command mentioned in the link you sent? |
| 06:02.30 | jaunty | no, i don't have that command. |
| 06:03.24 | Undrwater | mickeyterm? |
| 06:03.32 | jaunty | don't have that or shr |
| 06:03.55 | Undrwater | shr is not a command...it's a distro |
| 06:04.03 | jaunty | wait... shr is the distro, right ? |
| 06:04.09 | Undrwater | opkg install mickeyterm |
| 06:04.14 | jaunty | oh. k |
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| 06:09.25 | jaunty | package not found |
| 06:10.46 | jaunty | i'll download the package and do it that way |
| 06:11.32 | jaunty | lol, i bet it has dependencies |
| 06:11.45 | Undrwater | prolly |
| 06:11.53 | jaunty | i got this earlier |
| 06:12.08 | Undrwater | have you figured out how to change your NAND env? |
| 06:12.22 | jaunty | root@om-gta02:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 06:12.23 | jaunty | libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and Openmoko, Inc. |
| 06:12.23 | jaunty | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 06:12.23 | jaunty | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.23 | jaunty | rv |
| 06:12.23 | jaunty | # # Get revision |
| 06:12.25 | jaunty | revision: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: |
| 06:12.27 | jaunty | gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8" |
| 06:12.36 | jaunty | sorry about scrolling. |
| 06:13.08 | jaunty | Undrwater, that was next on my list after updating gsm |
| 06:13.21 | jaunty | is that the info we were looking to find ? |
| 06:14.28 | jaunty | it looks just like the mickeyterm examples i see |
| 06:14.40 | Undrwater | that's hardware revision of the phone |
| 06:15.33 | Undrwater | not firmware of chip |
| 06:15.56 | jaunty | oh |
| 06:16.22 | jaunty | ok, should i put shr on nand now and then do gsm check and update ? |
| 06:18.02 | fredrin | it's the gsm firmware |
| 06:18.06 | fredrin | and it needs to be updated |
| 06:19.51 | jaunty | i think you are right. because it is coming from gsmd-tool |
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| 06:23.24 | Undrwater | time for me to get to bed...night |
| 06:23.31 | Undrwater | good luck jaunty... |
| 06:23.36 | jaunty | thaks undrwater |
| 06:23.46 | Undrwater | yw |
| 06:25.02 | jaunty | does nobody use the om.200x OS ? |
| 06:25.15 | jaunty | i don't think so |
| 06:26.12 | jaunty | signature checks fail with opkg update |
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| 06:27.13 | jaunty | blah, i'll read more. :) |
| 06:27.23 | jaunty | then update if i can't figure it out, and move on. |
| 06:27.34 | jaunty | surely there isn't a newer firmware on my phone. |
| 06:27.42 | jaunty | i think i got moko8 |
| 06:27.59 | jaunty | yes, i do |
| 06:28.15 | jaunty | thank fredrin |
| 06:28.20 | jaunty | thanks fredrin |
| 06:28.32 | fredrin | it worked? |
| 06:29.11 | fredrin | update to shr-unstable |
| 06:29.24 | fredrin | after you've updated the gsm firmware |
| 06:29.32 | fredrin | then flash the phone with latest shr-unstable :) |
| 06:29.52 | jaunty | i haven't done it yet. waiting for opkg to finish. then i will reboot, and upgrade gsm |
| 06:30.09 | fredrin | is trying to make the neo access internet thrugh windows7 |
| 06:30.16 | fredrin | why? |
| 06:30.28 | fredrin | you don't need to update with opkg |
| 06:30.33 | jaunty | because the output i pasted looks exactly the same as the mickeyterm output with the exception of version numbers |
| 06:32.06 | jaunty | i was trying to put any mux aware term on it. |
| 06:32.54 | fredrin | you can go to shrsettings -> phone and you'll see your gsm firmware |
| 06:33.58 | jaunty | but i don't have shr installed |
| 06:34.26 | jaunty | its the default om.200x that comes on it when it is new. |
| 06:34.35 | fredrin | ok |
| 06:34.56 | fredrin | no point anyway to run opkg update on that one |
| 06:35.02 | jaunty | ya |
| 06:35.06 | fredrin | have you make the uSD card |
| 06:35.09 | fredrin | made |
| 06:35.12 | jaunty | y |
| 06:35.16 | jaunty | its updating now |
| 06:35.16 | fredrin | so you can boot form it? |
| 06:35.32 | jaunty | errors too. but they don't look fatal |
| 06:35.34 | fredrin | so you're updating the gmsfirmware now? |
| 06:35.38 | jaunty | yes |
| 06:35.42 | fredrin | or just opkg update? |
| 06:36.00 | fredrin | humkay |
| 06:36.03 | jaunty | no. opkg errored out. i rebooted |
| 06:36.32 | fredrin | ok |
| 06:36.33 | jaunty | D_O_N_E |
| 06:36.34 | jaunty | :) |
| 06:36.39 | fredrin | sweet |
| 06:36.57 | fredrin | ok, now it's time to flash to latest shr-unstable |
| 06:36.58 | fredrin | :) |
| 06:37.02 | fredrin | with dfu-util |
| 06:40.24 | jaunty | yay! |
| 06:40.25 | jaunty | :) |
| 06:40.45 | jaunty | where is shr-unstable ? |
| 06:41.54 | fredrin | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 06:41.55 | jaunty | i see it on build.shr-project..... |
| 06:41.58 | jaunty | :) |
| 06:45.35 | jaunty | i see two versions of everything |
| 06:46.12 | jaunty | do i need the jffs2 ? |
| 06:46.18 | jaunty | and which kernel ? |
| 06:46.49 | jaunty | i guess the differences between the kernels are git checkouts. |
| 06:46.50 | fredrin | just take the latest kernel |
| 06:46.59 | fredrin | and if you're going to flash into nand, use jffs2 |
| 06:47.04 | fredrin | it's the easiest |
| 06:47.20 | fredrin | or you can make a uSD card with the tar.gz |
| 06:47.35 | jaunty | i'll try usd first |
| 06:47.38 | jaunty | and get both |
| 06:47.55 | fredrin | then you need to partiton the card first+++ |
| 06:47.56 | jaunty | full-om-gta02.jffs2 i think. look right ? |
| 06:48.05 | fredrin | or just the lite |
| 06:48.21 | fredrin | you can get the rest of the apps from opkg anyway |
| 06:49.04 | jaunty | i'll do that now. and grab the lite first |
| 06:52.15 | jaunty | 30 minute eta |
| 06:52.20 | jaunty | you got time for that ? |
| 06:52.35 | jaunty | heh, its probably daytime over there. :) |
| 06:54.01 | jaunty | rainy night here. |
| 06:54.07 | jaunty | 1 a.m. |
| 06:59.58 | jaunty | so to boot lite-om-gta2.jffs2, i make two partitions, and on the second partition, i tar zxf the tarball onto the empty patition ? and on the first partition, i do what with the .bin ? |
| 07:00.39 | jaunty | i put it on there. does there need to be another file in the first partition too ? |
| 07:02.30 | fredrin | the first partiton where the kernel is, needs to be fat |
| 07:02.39 | jaunty | oh. |
| 07:02.44 | jaunty | ok |
| 07:03.00 | fredrin | and it needs to be called uImage.bin |
| 07:03.51 | fredrin | nice, ilume crashed |
| 07:03.54 | fredrin | lame |
| 07:04.42 | jaunty | 8mb big enough for first partition ? |
| 07:05.49 | jaunty | mkfs.vfat is same as fat, isn't it ? |
| 07:09.07 | fredrin | yes |
| 07:12.16 | jaunty | i got jffs2 instead of .tar.gz (oops) can i just mount it and cp -a everything, or is there a different way ? |
| 07:12.45 | fredrin | maybe |
| 07:12.53 | fredrin | or just flash it to nand.... |
| 07:12.54 | fredrin | :) |
| 07:13.38 | jaunty | lol |
| 07:16.10 | jaunty | what is that filesystem type ? |
| 07:16.35 | fredrin | not quite sure, but it got something to that the nand is a blockdevice |
| 07:16.36 | fredrin | or something |
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| 07:18.34 | alabd | Good day everyone , what are the differences (soft and hardware )between A7 and A6+ ? |
| 07:18.37 | jaunty | wow, i got a lot of tabs open to read. |
| 07:23.40 | jaunty | i see what you mean about the blockdev thing. i'd have to recompile modules and stuff |
| 07:23.56 | jaunty | the tarball has been downloading all this time |
| 07:27.23 | jaunty | you use mtd and other tools to mount jffs2 images. then dd them to /dev/mtd0 (i think) i'm glad i'm skipping that... |
| 07:28.02 | alabd | Good day everyone , what are the differences (soft and hardware )between A7 and A6+ ? the same ? |
| 07:29.28 | jaunty | i have a link for that open. i'll find it for you |
| 07:30.28 | jaunty | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions |
| 07:32.05 | jaunty | alabd it doesn't mention software revisions, but i expect you would want to upgrade to a different OS anyways, or upgrade to the latest version of the default OS |
| 07:32.43 | jaunty | alabd do you understand those differences that it states ? |
| 07:33.19 | jaunty | because i'm a little familiar with them |
| 07:33.29 | alabd | jaunty: you mean hardware are the same and software should be upgarded ? yes i humble know that A7 is buzz fixed and gsm firmware is upgarded and 1024 solved |
| 07:33.54 | alabd | but in A6 + also those steps have been done right ? |
| 07:34.05 | jaunty | i don't know 1024. i am guessing it is a bug report # |
| 07:34.16 | alabd | jaunty: yes |
| 07:34.33 | jaunty | which one ? gsm/sd interference ? |
| 07:35.57 | alabd | A7 and A6+ both are buzz fixed |
| 07:36.56 | alabd | A7 and A6+ both are buzz fixed , in both GSM firmwae has been upgraded , so what is The difference ? |
| 07:37.17 | jaunty | alabd no, hardware are not the same for a6 and a7. a7 has a different printed circuit board. (i don't know all the differences there, but expect them to be that a7 has a buzz workaround instead of buzz fix. buzz workaround being that the issue was solved better. for instance, the plugin microphone or handsfree or earbuds does not buzz either) |
| 07:38.20 | jaunty | also the new printed circuit board (pcb) is likely changed to fix the microSD cards interference with gps reciever. |
| 07:38.27 | alabd | do you mean in A6+ buzz exists on handsfree yet ? |
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| 07:39.18 | jaunty | um. well, if it is the same bugfix as the one they have on openmoko.com then, it is on the wired hands free. bluetooth is not affected by buzz. |
| 07:40.17 | jaunty | the plugin jack being the wired hands free. buzz doesn't affect wireless handsfree |
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| 07:41.19 | jaunty | also, the a7 recovers better after the battery runs completely dead. |
| 07:42.03 | jaunty | and as far as i know, the a7 doesn't do the 850 triband. so doesn't work on North American (usa) phone networks. |
| 07:42.18 | jaunty | all that make sense ? |
| 07:42.42 | jaunty | alabd who sells the a6+ ? |
| 07:43.12 | alabd | jaunty: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors |
| 07:45.20 | alabd | any ther differences ? |
| 07:45.31 | alabd | jaunty: what do you mean of > the a7 recovers better after the battery runs completely dead. |
| 07:47.49 | jaunty | alabd: it is listed in the revisions for a7. i think the a5 and before would not charge again after completely dead. it was a bug and there are bug reports on it. |
| 07:48.27 | alabd | how about a6 jaunty ? |
| 07:49.14 | jaunty | i believe it would. let me look it up for you. |
| 07:49.43 | jaunty | alabd also, i was not familiar with the 1024 fix. i hadn't seen that before. (i'm new) |
| 07:49.50 | alabd | thanks jaunty |
| 07:50.49 | alabd | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 it can be fixed by repalcing a capacitor |
| 07:50.56 | alabd | at the end of page mentioned http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 |
| 07:51.21 | jaunty | This is an issue for older FreeRunner GTA02_revisions because the internal charging circuitry cannot be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work on A5 and early A6 devices. If your FreeRunner boots to the point of showing something on screen when it is connected to the OM-wallcharger or a PC's USB port with no battery installed, your device isn't affected by this issue. |
| 07:51.36 | jaunty | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery |
| 07:51.49 | jaunty | there are workarounds in case you discharge it all the way. |
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| 07:54.37 | jaunty | alabd i wouldn't worry about the battery issue. just don't let it run down all the way. and if it does, then do one of the workarounds. |
| 07:56.09 | alabd | can not that issue be fixed jaunty ? |
| 07:57.32 | jaunty | it seems to be fixed in later a6 versions and a7 |
| 07:58.11 | jaunty | early a6 versions are affected. even then, there are solutions. not like it kills the phone. |
| 07:58.44 | alabd | is there any hardware fix for it jaunty ? |
| 08:01.08 | jaunty | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
| 08:01.49 | jaunty | alabd ^ i think that has a lot of info about it. maybe you can get a better idea of the issue. |
| 08:03.05 | alabd | what does early version of A6 man until when ? |
| 08:03.32 | jaunty | alabd the Qestion and Answer under "More tricks" (Q: and A:) talks about the cause a little. |
| 08:03.39 | jaunty | alabd i don't understand your question. |
| 08:04.27 | PaulFertser | alabd: no, A7 doesn't include 1024 fix |
| 08:04.54 | alabd | jaunty: means which versions of A6 does not have battery issue |
| 08:05.00 | PaulFertser | alabd: wired headset is prone to buzz on both A6 and A7, it can't be buzz-fixed. |
| 08:05.05 | alabd | hi to you PaulFertser |
| 08:05.14 | PaulFertser | alabd: gsm firmware update worth nothing, you can do it yourself easily. |
| 08:05.33 | alabd | PaulFertser: how about battery issues ? |
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| 08:05.59 | PaulFertser | alabd: a6+ and a7 are exactly the same wrt the battery. What particular isssues are of your concern? |
| 08:06.48 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.48 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.48 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.56 | PaulFertser | alabd: only very early a6s were lacking a necessary capacitor that allows to boot without battery. Almost all a6 and all of the a7 can boot without battery (in theory, given the right bootloader/kernel combo). |
| 08:07.51 | alabd | so how ti be sure that A6 that will be bought is not that kind |
| 08:08.06 | PaulFertser | alabd: in fact the internal charging circuity can be turned on in the bootloader, it's just something that violates usb specs a bit, so the devs hesitated to make it default. |
| 08:09.22 | alabd | do you mean all of these are just for that ... ?http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery_.28FIXED.29 |
| 08:09.28 | alabd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery_.28FIXED.29 |
| 08:09.32 | PaulFertser | alabd: by the production date, i assume. But i'd recommend to not bother. Booting with flat battery can be a pain on every device, i, for once, needed to use the lab PSU at work the last time i got a flat battery (it was the easiest way at work anyway). If you have a spare BL-5C you shouldn't worry. |
| 08:10.03 | PaulFertser | And i have A6 |
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| 09:13.31 | jaunty | how do you turn off the wifi antanea ? |
| 09:15.38 | PaulFertser | jaunty: unbind the s3c-mci module |
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| 09:16.05 | PaulFertser | jaunty: if you're using one of FSO distros, then read FSO_Resources wikipage at OM wiki. |
| 09:16.38 | PaulFertser | jaunty: or rmmod ar6000. But if you're on FSO, use resources properly. |
| 09:16.44 | PaulFertser | instead |
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| 09:18.17 | jaunty | i'm on shr |
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| 09:18.23 | jaunty | thank you |
| 09:19.07 | _diego_ | hello, anybody have experience in gsm/flashing? |
| 09:24.17 | PaulFertser | _diego_: yep |
| 09:24.20 | PaulFertser | _diego_: that's trivial |
| 09:24.40 | _diego_ | yes, looks like trivial |
| 09:25.00 | _diego_ | i'm flashing a gta01 using istruction in wiki |
| 09:25.08 | jaunty | diego, i just flashed mine |
| 09:25.23 | jaunty | i'm gta02 though. dunno if there is difference |
| 09:25.27 | _diego_ | but i wonder how much time it takes |
| 09:25.50 | _diego_ | it's just at: |
| 09:25.52 | _diego_ | Reading image file: '/home/root/calypso-moko11.m0' (2138kB) ok |
| 09:25.52 | _diego_ | Bootloader: (reset target) |
| 09:26.06 | jaunty | it sat there a little while with me too |
| 09:26.24 | _diego_ | it's almost 5 minutes now ... |
| 09:27.19 | PaulFertser | _diego_: wrong |
| 09:27.29 | PaulFertser | _diego_: it should wait for bootloader until you turn the modem on. |
| 09:28.15 | _diego_ | i've used s3c24xx-gpio b7=1 from another terminal |
| 09:28.17 | PaulFertser | _diego_: so after you turn it on it should continue immediately. |
| 09:28.23 | zeroedout | anyone using the new shr have audio die on them? phone calls were working fine but no matter how the vol slider is adjusted no sound comes out... |
| 09:28.38 | PaulFertser | _diego_: are you sure nothing turns on the modem on boot? |
| 09:28.46 | PaulFertser | _diego_: you must disable frameworkd. |
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| 09:29.27 | _diego_ | i've killed it, and ophonekitd and gsm-something processes |
| 09:29.36 | PaulFertser | _diego_: killing is not enough |
| 09:29.50 | PaulFertser | _diego_: gta01 lacks hardware switch to power off. |
| 09:29.57 | _diego_ | argh |
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| 09:30.37 | PaulFertser | _diego_: so the best idea is to disable frameworkd, poweroff, take out the battery (!), plug it back, boot, start fluid, turn on the modem. |
| 09:31.08 | _diego_ | in shr, which is the best way to disable frameworkd? |
| 09:31.27 | PaulFertser | _diego_: i'd move the init script somewhere temporarily |
| 09:31.43 | _diego_ | i removed from init scripts, but after 1 minute it just poweroff |
| 09:32.49 | PaulFertser | _diego_: so the best idea is to disable frameworkd, poweroff, take out the battery (!), plug it back, boot, start fluid, turn on the modem. |
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| 09:37.49 | PaulFertser | I tried to make the GSM/Flashing as obvious and understandable as it can be. If i failed, well... better luck next time. |
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| 09:38.29 | _diego_ | instruction looks quite clear |
| 09:38.55 | PaulFertser | Not only i, of course others contrubuted a lot to the instructions. Probably more than me. |
| 09:39.11 | _diego_ | it's starting up the phone without gsm that's not trivial |
| 09:39.22 | PaulFertser | _diego_: up to your distro ;) |
| 09:39.46 | PaulFertser | _diego_: but really, moving the init script can't be that complicated. |
| 09:40.27 | _diego_ | i've also tried it, but after a couple of minutes the phone powers down |
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| 09:47.55 | _diego_ | when i'm booting from sd, how can i mount the internal flash? |
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| 10:03.44 | jaunty | diego mount /dev/mtdblock6 internal_flash -t jffs2 |
| 10:03.57 | jaunty | did that work ? |
| 10:07.26 | _diego_ | on gta01 is mtdbloks4, but it's just hang |
| 10:07.55 | _diego_ | mount is at 100% of cpu, but nothing happens |
| 10:09.31 | _diego_ | i wonder if reflashing the shr images is faster then trying to fix from booting from sd .. ^^ |
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| 10:52.42 | _diego_ | ok, done. The wiki should point out that the correct way to flash gsm on gta01 is the "Half-flashed GTA01bv4 GSM Modem " one |
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| 11:18.26 | PaulFertser | _diego_: well, it's more of a problem with current FSO version. It doesn't turn off the modem properly (with AT@POFF), if it did, just killing ophonekitd would be enough. |
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| 11:30.42 | _diego_ | killing processm and then issueing a AT@POFF is not enough? |
| 11:32.06 | TAsn | PaulFertser, ophonekitd is dead, no need to kill it anymore :) |
| 11:37.13 | PaulFertser | TAsn: i know |
| 11:38.20 | PaulFertser | _diego_: if you can do it well, it is. The idea is that you want to connect to the bootloader. Bootloader starts only on boot of the modem. To boot the modem you need to power off it first. On gta01 the only way is to tell it AT@POFF. If you can manage it properly (with baud rate/corresponding flow control etc) then it will work. |
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| 11:46.28 | _diego_ | during the first try, i've used the AT@POFF command as written in the wiki, but didn't work |
| 11:47.21 | _diego_ | btw thanks for the support ^^ |
| 11:47.36 | PaulFertser | _diego_: the wiki is not quite ok wrt to serial port settings i'm afraid. I was never able to fully understand serial communications with "echo" and "stty" so i didn't really bother since cold-booting always works. |
| 11:47.40 | PaulFertser | _diego_: welcome |
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| 12:41.44 | haakeyar | Hmm. I just upgraded to moko11 gsm firmware, and now my sim card is not recognized. |
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| 12:42.15 | haakeyar | Shr says that no sim card is present. And frameworkd.log says: |
| 12:42.16 | haakeyar | DEBUG <MiscChannel via /dev/pts/0>: COMPLETED 'AT+CPIN?' => ['+CME ERROR: 10'] |
| 12:43.09 | haakeyar | I have tried with two different sim cards. |
| 12:43.10 | PaulFertser | haakeyar: clean the contacts of the card and the holder, ensure a tight fit. |
| 12:43.41 | haakeyar | PaulFertser: Ok, thanks, will give it a try. |
| 12:43.51 | PaulFertser | haakeyar: do not forget to lock the holder after you insert the card. |
| 12:44.21 | PaulFertser | haakeyar: it's unlikely there're any problems with moko11, at least there's no single report. |
| 12:44.35 | PaulFertser | (sim-card not recognised kind of problems) |
| 12:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 12:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | and hi |
| 12:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | haakeyar: you used uSD-image flashing method? |
| 12:45.54 | haakeyar | DocScrutinizer: Yes |
| 12:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | you can simply boot a second time from that uSD, and it will check if the flashed image is identical with the "new" one, and do a reflash if needed |
| 12:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | so you can be absolutely sure nothing went wrong during flashing process |
| 12:47.55 | haakeyar | DocScrutinizer: I have had problems with that uSD card after I did the upgrade (io-errors when using fdisk and mkfs for the new shr image) |
| 12:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | o-oooh |
| 12:48.21 | haakeyar | DocScrutinizer: So it is possible that it didn't work properly when I did the upgrade. |
| 12:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | there's a small chance it failed then, yes. But I'd guess you wouldn't see the green "D_O_N_E" |
| 12:50.50 | haakeyar | DocScrutinizer: I saw the D_O_N_E. And it also said something about the checksum being ok. Howewer, there was a message saying "error <something>" during the upgrade. |
| 12:51.02 | haakeyar | DocScrutinizer: But I assumed it was normal, because it said success afterwards. |
| 12:51.14 | haakeyar | Unfortunately, I don't remember what the error message was. |
| 12:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway. fact is it's highly unlikely the flashing process borks unnoticed, and then just doesn't read sim anymore. Nevertheless you can reflash any time to make sure |
| 12:55.09 | haakeyar | DocScrutinizer: Ok. Thanks. I will try to reflash with the uSD that came with the frerunner, instead of the new 2gig one that I had problems with. |
| 12:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | haakeyar: iirc one error msg during gsm-flashing from uSD is normal |
| 12:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually I seem to remember a similar report almost a year ago, where reflashing worked |
| 12:57.05 | haakeyar | Hmm. Sorry to have bothered you all. I followed PaulFertser's suggestion, and suddenly it worked! |
| 12:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | :-))) |
| 12:58.06 | PaulFertser | Hehe |
| 12:58.17 | PaulFertser | I like it when problems are solved so easily. |
| 12:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: isn't it nice we can simply say "uSD gsm flashing *never* fails" :-D |
| 12:58.36 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: \"uber-nice :D |
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| 13:05.03 | haakeyar | Oh, I forgot to say thanks. Thank you very much PaulFertser! :-) Your simple suggestion (that I should have tried before asking here) saved me from a lot of work and worrying about having broken my phone.;) |
| 13:08.13 | PaulFertser | haakeyar: welcome |
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| 13:12.05 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r2c56258208c4 10/fsomusicd/src/ (musicplayer.vala playlist.vala): fsomusicd: Add missing @ for string templates |
| 13:12.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r72d1265a7940 10/fsomusicd/src/musicplayer.vala: fsomusicd: Cleanup code in musicplayer.vala |
| 13:12.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r6b51ae591809 10/fsomusicd/src/musicplayer.vala: fsomusicd: Add missing PlaylistChanged signal |
| 13:12.16 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r6c1d9a5ffa5c 10/ (12 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of fso:cornucopia |
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| 13:37.10 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
| 13:44.33 | d1b | when can haz new shr release ? |
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| 14:31.36 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: ./shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old-images/. I |
| 14:37.26 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org and http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: ./shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old-images/. For the venturous: |
| 14:38.34 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: ./shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old-images/. For the venturous: . |
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| 15:07.40 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r11224d81ecc7 10/fsodatad/ (26 files in 8 dirs): fsodatad: new cornucopia subsystem; generic data storage daemon |
| 15:08.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | darn. is this verne.freenode.net or my maemo xchat cutting the last 3 char of topic |
| 15:09.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | could anybody yell whose topic here doesn't end in " ous: ../*" |
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| 15:13.08 | APz | DocScrutinizer: it'd seem that it really ends there |
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| 15:13.39 | APz | TOPICLEN is 450 on this server |
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| 15:41.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | it's 450 on both servers. Nevertheless topic ends like "us: . " here on N810 with xchat on verne, whereas with Konversation on the other server it all looks correct |
| 15:43.08 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, I guess that's a xchat bug then eating the "./*" 3 chars at end |
| 15:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | anyway |
| 15:47.48 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/. Recommended: old-images/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
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| 15:54.56 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: handle missing entries in kobject change notification more gracefully |
| 15:54.56 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This should fix the segfault on removing the battery |
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| 16:06.16 | slaxxer | those instructions on the planet borkrd my install |
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| 16:13.54 | slaxxer | reboot an all is good |
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| 16:21.32 | slaxxer | much faster now i can answer a call:) |
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| 16:48.38 | jaunty | hi slaxxer |
| 16:48.51 | jaunty | do you have slackware installed on your phone ? or have you had it ? |
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| 17:04.23 | else58 | anybody know what happened to x11vnc from shr-unstable armv4t? |
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| 17:07.11 | pbaxter | hello, can someone tell me how to upgrade a console image? |
| 17:07.24 | pbaxter | when i upgrade i get error when upgrading dropbear |
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| 17:24.34 | else58 | pbaxter: are you using ssh and trying to upgrade dropbear? |
| 17:24.57 | pbaxter | yes else58 |
| 17:25.06 | pbaxter | how can i upgrade an image witout any GUI? |
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| 17:30.22 | else58 | pbaxter: I think you have to use the terminal to get dropbear upgraded this one time |
| 17:30.40 | pbaxter | which terminal? |
| 17:32.20 | else58 | you don't have a local terminal installed? |
| 17:32.46 | else58 | shr uses vala-terminal |
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| 17:33.46 | pbaxter | else58: i've no gui |
| 17:33.52 | pbaxter | just fso + basic image |
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| 17:42.17 | else58 | maybe put the upgrade in the background and log off ssh? |
| 17:50.03 | pbaxter | can you tell me how else58 ? |
| 17:55.44 | else58 | pbaxter: it looks like others have used the "screen' program: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1566913 |
| 17:56.06 | pbaxter | else58: i'm going to install shr |
| 17:56.37 | else58 | shr is easy to just untar it to a sdcard |
| 17:56.55 | pbaxter | yes that's it |
| 17:57.14 | pbaxter | else58: but do you use your Fr as daily? |
| 17:57.17 | pbaxter | which distro |
| 17:58.39 | Martix | pbaxter: nohup opkg install dropbear |
| 17:59.20 | pbaxter | Martix: i tried |
| 17:59.26 | pbaxter | but it didn't work |
| 17:59.50 | Martix | you can try screen |
| 18:01.07 | pbaxter | Martix: now 'm flashing SHR |
| 18:01.12 | else58 | pbaxter: yes, shr-unstable since June |
| 18:01.12 | pbaxter | thanks though |
| 18:01.27 | else58 | on sdcard |
| 18:01.32 | pbaxter | else58: but don't you think apps are slow to open? |
| 18:01.50 | else58 | it is getting better |
| 18:02.09 | else58 | using a swap partition helps |
| 18:02.31 | pbaxter | else58: got it |
| 18:02.36 | pbaxter | but thanks |
| 18:03.07 | fredrin | good morning to everyone with a føkked sleeping schedule |
| 18:03.51 | SpeedEvil | Or those in japan. |
| 18:04.14 | fredrin | yeah |
| 18:04.16 | fredrin | :) |
| 18:04.40 | Martix | good evening :-) |
| 18:04.48 | fredrin | hi |
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| 18:11.38 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:48.08 | else58 | looks like hdparm does not backup my claim that sdcard is faster than flash |
| 18:48.38 | else58 | 1.75 MB/sec for mmcblk0 and 2.38 MB/sec for mtdblock6 |
| 18:50.13 | larsc | it's the glamos fault |
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| 19:10.55 | else58 | I'm trying to track down why x11vnc went missing in shr-unstable armv4t |
| 19:11.14 | else58 | is this the correct log: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1566913 |
| 19:11.36 | else58 | oops: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-builder-last.txt |
| 19:11.59 | else58 | NOTE: preferred version 0.9.1 of libvncserver not available (for item x11vnc) NOTE: preferred version 0.9.3 of x11vnc not available (for item x11vnc) |
| 19:13.41 | else58 | no, i guess it is this one: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/task/3464418.txt |
| 19:14.21 | else58 | and it dies with: cleanup.c:288: error: 'X_ShmAttach' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 19:14.59 | Azalyn | so is the gta02 really the last freerunner? |
| 19:15.21 | Azalyn | has anyone looked into ports to something like maybe the palm pre? |
| 19:15.59 | Azalyn | which seems to use opensource drivers for all hardware. except for the wifi (madge chipset) |
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| 19:36.53 | jaypro | anyone know where i can get the rootfs image for qt extended... so i dont have to compile it. |
| 19:36.57 | jaypro | just got my freerunner |
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| 20:01.10 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9622c0541288 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): define org.freesmartphone.Data.WorldCountry |
| 20:01.35 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * rf155e6417cb5 10/src/freesmartphone-data.vala: regen |
| 20:01.51 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r940a76beffc3 10/fsodatad/src/plugins/world/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodatad: implement org.freesmartphone.Data.World |
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| 20:04.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fsomusicd: Just print an error in case of illegal mode instead of |
| 20:04.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: asserting |
| 20:04.55 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r5e8de08537b4 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of fso:cornucopia |
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| 21:45.47 | gonzoism | the freerunner doesn't have a standard headphone jack, does it ? |
| 21:45.57 | fredrin | nope |
| 21:46.07 | gonzoism | what kind of adapter can i get ? |
| 21:46.09 | fredrin | microjack with mic |
| 21:46.14 | Gabrys | gonzoism: it has a standard micro-jack-with-mic |
| 21:46.35 | gonzoism | fredrin you told me to get evas and something else yesterday.. what was it ? |
| 21:46.48 | gonzoism | evas and evas-something |
| 21:48.34 | fredrin | gonzoism, not sure it was me |
| 21:48.52 | gonzoism | my nick was jaunty yesterday |
| 21:50.12 | fredrin | ah |
| 21:50.28 | fredrin | but i cant remember anything about that |
| 21:50.34 | fredrin | not sure what you mean |
| 21:51.45 | gonzoism | they were just suggestions from you. i scrolled up trying to find them, but the buffer wasn't big enough. :) i'll find out what is cool, by and by. |
| 21:51.56 | mmontour | gonzoism: make sure you get the right pinout for the headphone jack. IIRC you want Nokia-style, not Motorola |
| 21:52.25 | skhme | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset |
| 21:55.42 | gonzoism | thanks. i'm wanting to hook it up to the stereo with a headphone jack. |
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| 22:12.08 | gonzoism | it shouldn't be going into suspend to while on the AC charger, should it ? |
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| 22:24.54 | gonzoism | mmontour you had it backwards, nokia doesn't work, and motorola does. (according to the link/wiki) |
| 22:30.30 | gonzoism | (micro jack to headphone jack adapters) |
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| 22:36.22 | lindi- | gonzoism: software controls suspend |
| 22:38.59 | gonzoism | lindi- thanks. the gui configs don't seem to take. i rebooted. maybe better luck this time around. |
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| 22:42.15 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fsomusicd: Don't throw an error if we are in random mode and no file |
| 22:42.17 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: selected |
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| 23:22.35 | jp79 | when i run dfu-util, it says "No DFU capable USB device found" even though i can ssh to it |
| 23:22.40 | jp79 | anyone know what the deal is? |
| 23:24.56 | SpeedEvil | you can't ssh to it when it is in the right state |
| 23:25.11 | SpeedEvil | it needs to be in the bootloader AIUI |
| 23:26.06 | jp79 | what? |
| 23:26.14 | jp79 | i logged in already |
| 23:26.17 | jp79 | thru ssh |
| 23:26.56 | jp79 | but, im using dfu-util on ubuntu and it gave me that error |
| 23:28.49 | SpeedEvil | you can't be logged in via ssh - which implies that the device is running - and be in a state where you can dfu-upgrade - which implies that it's not. |
| 23:29.14 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's a hold a button down on boot or something effort |
| 23:30.52 | jp79 | ohhhhh... so i have to leave it on in the nand flash menu |
| 23:31.05 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:31.31 | SpeedEvil | At least that was the case in gtra01 - I'm unsure of the exact procedure to get it in the right state on fta02 - IIRC it's similar |
| 23:31.35 | jp79 | oh lol okay... thanks SpeedEvil |
| 23:31.43 | jp79 | <=newb |
| 23:44.48 | fredrin | it's the same |
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