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| 01:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | raster: howdy? |
| 01:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster |
| 01:58.52 | apt | raster is currently on #oe (2h 17m 57s) #openmoko (2h 17m 57s) #openmoko-cdevel (2h 17m 57s), last said: 'oh too late'. |
| 02:00.07 | raster | DocScrutinizer: talk later |
| 02:00.08 | raster | i need to run |
| 02:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 02:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | don't stunble ;-) |
| 02:01.37 | raster | hahahahya |
| 02:01.40 | raster | got your n900? |
| 02:02.16 | joerg_42 | not yet |
| 02:03.03 | joerg_42 | another 2 weeks if everything pans out |
| 02:03.06 | raster | :( |
| 02:03.08 | raster | ok. |
| 02:03.09 | raster | runs! |
| 02:03.44 | joerg_42 | sleeps |
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| 09:28.34 | panicking | Hi all |
| 09:28.48 | panicking | any one know a micro-camera that can be plugged in the openmoko |
| 09:28.50 | panicking | freerunner |
| 09:32.10 | raster | plugged in where? |
| 09:32.22 | raster | u have no camera "plug" |
| 09:33.08 | panicking | plug in the usb |
| 09:33.14 | panicking | and set it in host mode |
| 09:33.21 | panicking | i'm doing some performance test in android |
| 09:33.32 | panicking | and maybe find in the market a microcamera |
| 09:33.56 | Weiss | always thought it would be interesting to try to hook up a camera via SDIO, either on the SD card slot or the WLAN slot |
| 09:34.09 | Weiss | (depending on whether the the former can do SDIO or not) |
| 09:36.27 | panicking | It's possible to change |
| 09:36.31 | panicking | and gta02 |
| 09:36.33 | panicking | make an hole |
| 09:36.38 | panicking | and find place to put a camera |
| 09:36.57 | panicking | I was thinking in the usb |
| 09:37.15 | SpeedEvil | IIRC GTA02 has the camera bus brought out |
| 09:37.29 | SpeedEvil | you coild in principle just attacha standard mobile phone camera to it |
| 09:37.48 | SpeedEvil | However - USB is 'easy' |
| 09:37.59 | larsc | nope, some of the pins of the camera port are used |
| 09:38.14 | SpeedEvil | little hub onto the bluetooth port, ... |
| 09:38.40 | panicking | so use it's easy |
| 09:38.45 | panicking | to use D+ and D- |
| 09:38.47 | panicking | from host |
| 09:38.53 | panicking | and connect the camera |
| 09:38.58 | panicking | and find the power on the pcb |
| 09:39.14 | panicking | It would be great to try this change |
| 09:39.35 | panicking | But I'm scared about performance |
| 09:39.40 | panicking | so let me check |
| 09:39.42 | panicking | in android |
| 09:39.58 | panicking | because I have a nice camera application |
| 09:39.59 | panicking | to test |
| 09:40.18 | SpeedEvil | Performance would be no better than a camera connected to the external USB poty |
| 09:40.20 | SpeedEvil | port |
| 09:40.55 | Weiss | this is the Glamo camera port? |
| 09:40.57 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the SD card port cannot do SDIO, as that goes through the glamo - raster would know better |
| 09:40.59 | SpeedEvil | Weiss: no |
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| 09:41.13 | SpeedEvil | Weiss: At least notas I understood it |
| 09:41.15 | raster | SpeedEvil: i think so (on the sdio) |
| 09:41.18 | Weiss | the SoC's camera port? |
| 09:41.18 | raster | it CAN do sd card |
| 09:41.22 | raster | glamo handles that |
| 09:41.29 | raster | ie u do all sd card io through the gfx chip |
| 09:41.36 | raster | and then it gets copied to/from ram |
| 09:41.55 | raster | panicking: ewwww the usb plug? ow ow ow |
| 09:41.57 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - not SDIO though. The wifi card 'SD' bus should be able to I think |
| 09:42.11 | raster | SpeedEvil: yeah. tho wifi is hooked up there |
| 09:42.23 | raster | already taken |
| 09:42.30 | raster | the 2442 is a very limited soc |
| 09:42.35 | raster | especialy in terms of io |
| 09:42.45 | SpeedEvil | I've pondered in the past a SDIO card expander |
| 09:42.53 | raster | life becoems infinitely easier just goign to a not even modern soc |
| 09:43.00 | SpeedEvil | which multiplexes SD/SDIO cards. |
| 09:43.02 | raster | eg omap2, s3c64xx |
| 09:43.17 | raster | modern ones (omap3, s5pc etc.) are monsters of i/o |
| 09:43.18 | SpeedEvil | But then I realised there would be little or no market. |
| 09:43.33 | raster | very little point methinks |
| 09:43.47 | raster | though someone did that already |
| 09:43.55 | raster | sd card adaptor - u put 2 micro-sd cards into |
| 09:43.59 | SpeedEvil | (SDIO cards can have up to 8 functions, you can in principle have an SDIO card with 8 SDs plugged into it. |
| 09:44.06 | SpeedEvil | Funky |
| 09:44.14 | raster | i suspect it does something like parallel access to the 2 child cards to pull more throughtput from them |
| 09:44.17 | SpeedEvil | Did it present as two devices, or just one |
| 09:44.30 | raster | no idea |
| 09:44.34 | raster | i just know it exists |
| 09:44.42 | raster | i'm waiting to find a 32g micro-sd |
| 09:45.01 | SpeedEvil | The SD card with wifi in impressed me as a wacky device. |
| 09:45.13 | panicking | SpeedEvil, glamo can support camera, so it is possible |
| 09:45.15 | SpeedEvil | The 'auto-share' one for cameras. |
| 09:45.21 | panicking | to support that interface |
| 09:45.30 | SpeedEvil | Possible, and possible on the current board are very different things though. |
| 09:45.31 | raster | bizarre |
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| 09:47.41 | raster | tho really most capable devices have wifi on-board already |
| 09:47.56 | raster | just amount of storage is something u cant cater for in a device easily |
| 09:48.15 | raster | thus - either provide silly amounts (32gb of onboard flash for example) |
| 09:48.22 | raster | and/or provide expandability via cards |
| 09:48.30 | SpeedEvil | No longer silly in a couple of years though |
| 09:48.36 | SpeedEvil | and yes |
| 09:48.39 | raster | indeed |
| 09:48.53 | raster | micro-sd's i believe just hit 32g |
| 09:48.56 | raster | whats next |
| 09:49.03 | SpeedEvil | 64 |
| 09:49.06 | raster | can they actually cram 64 or 128g into a micro-sd? |
| 09:49.08 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:49.09 | SpeedEvil | Sure |
| 09:49.15 | raster | is it possible even with the top end of todays tech? |
| 09:49.27 | SpeedEvil | Yes, but not with any yield |
| 09:49.38 | raster | that sucks |
| 09:49.41 | SpeedEvil | But with 2 or 4 years advances, seems likely. |
| 09:49.53 | raster | mm fair enough |
| 09:49.58 | SpeedEvil | Unless tech hits an unforseen brick-wall - which doesn't seem to be close |
| 09:50.14 | raster | so the patch-all solution is "provide micro-sd card slowt and let users upgrade themselves if they want" |
| 09:50.26 | raster | well thats what i was wondeirng |
| 09:50.31 | raster | are we at a brick wall? |
| 09:51.09 | SpeedEvil | not yet. |
| 09:51.18 | SpeedEvil | And nobody has been screaming about it. |
| 09:51.25 | SpeedEvil | It looks like it's at least a decade out. |
| 09:52.20 | raster | cool |
| 09:52.27 | raster | so let the sd's double in size for a while |
| 09:52.37 | raster | i'm just wondering if its worth it to have 2 slots |
| 09:52.44 | raster | probalem is it adds size to devices |
| 09:52.52 | raster | (and a little cost) |
| 09:53.28 | SpeedEvil | A fair bit regrettablt. |
| 09:53.40 | SpeedEvil | Counting sizes and case constraints, and ... |
| 09:54.03 | raster | ? |
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| 09:54.14 | raster | regrettable? |
| 09:54.31 | SpeedEvil | I mean adding a SD slot - another one - has lots of indirect costs past the costs of the socket. |
| 09:54.57 | raster | well if u have sdio lines to kill |
| 09:55.11 | raster | and u are good at board layotus so u can happilt run more lines around |
| 09:55.33 | raster | u have the problem now with 2 mechanical slots tho |
| 09:55.41 | raster | 2 points of user-stupidity now |
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| 09:58.27 | SpeedEvil | yeah - routing isn't so much of a problem - users, mechanical issues, more holes, ... |
| 09:59.15 | raster | yeah |
| 09:59.31 | raster | i'd always try "stick 1, 2 or more under the battery" |
| 09:59.39 | raster | and leave at most 1 on the outside casing |
| 09:59.55 | raster | a bit liek a sim card - they will likely not swap it much as it needs a shutdown |
| 10:00.06 | raster | it minimizes the user issue anyway |
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| 16:10.57 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: cinterion_mc75: create three channels using the multiplexing transport library |
| 16:10.57 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Yay, no more piping data through pty's... |
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| 17:17.29 | cz_jc | hello, please anyone with experience with dbus around? :) |
| 17:18.23 | cz_jc | I want to get my system messagebus to allow everything, I substituted every deny in /etc/dbus-1 to allow but still I get some rejected messages :/ |
| 17:18.30 | cz_jc | any answer is very much appreciated |
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| 17:24.04 | TAsn | cz_jc, I think #dbus will know better. |
| 17:24.29 | cz_jc | TAsn, actually, noone replied for quite a while there.. |
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| 17:25.00 | TAsn | they suck! :) |
| 17:25.04 | cz_jc | seeing as OM fancies FSO which uses dbus, I thought I might find someone here.. |
| 17:25.22 | cz_jc | I want to get my stupid bluetooth working once for all, it gets borked with every dbus revision :/ |
| 17:25.51 | cz_jc | now I can't pair.. the actual pair requests get through but reply from pairing agent doesn't XD |
| 17:25.59 | TAsn | man dbus then ;) |
| 17:26.04 | cz_jc | even though I kicked out every deny I found.. |
| 17:26.19 | cz_jc | TAsn, yeah, I'm rebuilding dbus with docs now hoping I'll find someone there :) |
| 17:26.28 | cz_jc | *something |
| 17:26.39 | TAsn | just google for: "man dbus" |
| 17:26.44 | TAsn | instead of building docs |
| 17:28.09 | cz_jc | TAsn, found it ! policy description is in dbus-daemon(1) :) thanks :) |
| 17:28.17 | TAsn | np. |
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| 18:17.49 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r738aa87644fa 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: Fix setup of the serial port |
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| 18:37.26 | daniel32708 | Hi, My A6 openmoko wont turn on. As soon as I put the battery on it, it tries to turn on (Red light and vibrates) but nothing happens. My unit was working 10 minutes ago... any hints? thx! |
| 18:40.30 | daniel32708 | i also tried turning it on with just the ac power, ac+battery, and same results... |
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| 18:44.29 | lindi- | daniel32708: does u-boot in NOR boot? |
| 18:44.53 | daniel32708 | nothing boots |
| 18:45.03 | daniel32708 | it just turns the side red light on |
| 18:45.06 | daniel32708 | and vibrates |
| 18:45.11 | daniel32708 | and does that over and over |
| 18:45.15 | daniel32708 | no screen activity |
| 18:46.32 | lindi- | daniel32708: have you been able to boot u-boot from NOR before? |
| 18:47.25 | daniel32708 | YEP |
| 18:47.32 | daniel32708 | i have done it before |
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| 18:47.46 | lindi- | daniel32708: sounds like empty battery to me mostly |
| 18:47.55 | daniel32708 | but thats impossible |
| 18:48.00 | daniel32708 | it wasnt 10 minutes ago.. |
| 18:48.22 | daniel32708 | well, it just turned on... |
| 18:48.23 | daniel32708 | weird |
| 18:48.38 | daniel32708 | thanx anyways lindi |
| 18:50.41 | SpeedEvil | If it wasn't properly charging - it may have had enough charge to boot once |
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| 19:20.57 | rajeev_bash | hello everyone |
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| 22:25.01 | danielpi | Hi everybody! I was just looking around to buy an openmoko freerunner, and found a shop selling it for 229â¬. It seems to be an A7 without buzz-bug. Can that be? I'm just confused, because it used to cost around 300â¬. |
| 22:26.48 | ndnihil | I bought one, that means they dropped the price right after I did so |
| 22:28.54 | PaulFertser | danielpi: yes |
| 22:29.02 | PaulFertser | danielpi: by definition A7 comes with buzzfix preinstalled. |
| 22:29.29 | danielpi | that's awesome.... i didn't expect it to be so cheap |
| 22:29.30 | danielpi | cool |
| 22:29.52 | PaulFertser | danielpi: buzzfix is trivial anyway, i tried it myself on 2 devices. |
| 22:30.22 | Weiss | ponders either buzzfixing his FR or ordering a second one |
| 22:30.33 | danielpi | PaulFertser: sure, i read about that, but still it's more comfortable if it comes without buzz |
| 22:31.12 | PaulFertser | danielpi: you'll still have buzz in the wired headset either way. |
| 22:31.25 | danielpi | and just once more to be sure... it's usable as everyday phone isn't it!? SHR seems quite cool |
| 22:31.35 | danielpi | PaulFertser: oh, I didn't know that one |
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