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| 07:18.40 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc8006fcbe7a0 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:18.40 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: install dbus configuration files and iso-3166-1 datafile |
| 07:18.40 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: iso-3166-1 has been downloaded from http://www.iso.org/iso |
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| 07:32.22 | Breese_Kay | hi,all.who uses qtextend Distributions? I want to know how to set fonts config though shell. |
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| 08:04.40 | PaulFertser | Psi: (leave me phone running and on charge next to the PC) this doesn't guarantee a full battery. I'm afraid it's the opposite, especially for gta01. I think as soon as the battery reaches "full" state, the charger will be disabled (or switched to ~40mA) and probably your device will draw ~100mA from the battery until it completely discharges and then the device will shut down. |
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| 08:05.10 | PaulFertser | pcf50606 is really fucked up comparing to pcf50633 |
| 08:06.52 | Psi | PaulFertser: works fine for me |
| 08:06.56 | Psi | infact, i have to do it |
| 08:07.07 | Psi | if i let the phone suspend i end up with a totally flat battery |
| 08:07.20 | Psi | *suspended |
| 08:07.35 | PaulFertser | Psi: i think it'd be nice if you explained why it works the way you say :) |
| 08:07.57 | Psi | ive just always left it running next to me pc |
| 08:08.02 | Psi | me=my |
| 08:08.30 | Psi | i dunno why it works for me, it just always has |
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| 08:10.36 | Psi | i always get the yellow charging icon when the phone is pluged in |
| 08:10.55 | Psi | never seen it go away except when i unplug it from the pc |
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| 08:15.48 | PaulFertser | Psi: hm, this is interesting, that would explain it. |
| 08:15.57 | PaulFertser | Psi: and shorten the battery life at the same time |
| 08:16.56 | Psi | just took the back off my phone and put the battery to my face (to check temp) |
| 08:17.12 | Psi | not even warm |
| 08:17.19 | Psi | just above body temp |
| 08:17.22 | PaulFertser | Psi: btw, i compiled an experimental Qi version that enables fast charge on boot unconditionally, i think that should allow to boot even with an almost completely flat battery. |
| 08:17.34 | PaulFertser | Psi: have you read Battery Questions and Answers wikipage? |
| 08:17.47 | Psi | dont think i have |
| 08:20.25 | PaulFertser | Psi: i'd advice to do that |
| 08:20.52 | Psi | i might not like what it says though :P |
| 08:20.55 | PaulFertser | Psi: also looking at pcf50606 mbc state transitions diagram i think i can understand why you end up with flat battery while suspended. |
| 08:22.10 | PaulFertser | Psi: all in all, it looks like combination of pcf50606 and unreliable current metering in gta01 makes gentle battery handling impossible so the only good way to go is to modify gta01 (change one R) to accept native nokia batteries. |
| 08:22.37 | PaulFertser | So you just can have a spare any time you need it. |
| 08:26.28 | PaulFertser | Psi: btw, i now see that some gta01 info in there is incorrect, will fix it soon. |
| 08:28.27 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it enables fast charge and then boots linux? |
| 08:29.01 | lindi- | PaulFertser: how about adding a mode where it enables fast charge and sleeps until the battery has charged to, say, 5%? |
| 08:29.02 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes |
| 08:29.45 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but what for? 500mA is enough to boot linux and then userspace and then you can do whatever you want. |
| 08:29.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser: is it enough to boot linux if gsm is used? |
| 08:29.57 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it's also only for gta01. |
| 08:30.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it's assumed you have gsm turned off when the phone is off. And then after you boot it's up to the userspace to enable gsm (you can add a check to the startup scripts). |
| 08:31.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: with the latest kernel it's possible to fully boot gta02 a6 without battery. |
| 08:31.35 | PaulFertser | (i've not tried it myself yet) |
| 08:32.07 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what's latest kernel? |
| 08:32.15 | lindi- | PaulFertser: here I don't even get to boot loader |
| 08:32.21 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but this is a5 |
| 08:32.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: a5 :( |
| 08:32.32 | PaulFertser | Lack of capacitor, as usual :) |
| 08:33.03 | lindi- | ah, fortunately I have this other phone too, just haven't had time to do anything with it yet |
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| 08:33.51 | PaulFertser | Reading pcf50606 manual makes me sad |
| 08:33.54 | PaulFertser | And demotivated |
| 08:34.40 | PaulFertser | And i should still try to push its driver upstream, probably reworking it a bit so it fits the latest driver-writing guidelines :( |
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| 08:35.02 | PaulFertser | I can't see how to use pcf50606 in a sane way... |
| 08:41.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hey :) Do you by any chance know why the hell OM kernel devs didn't properly collaborate with upstream right from the start? |
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| 09:56.49 | Weiss | enjoys the latest XKCD |
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| 09:57.31 | Weiss | particularly relevant here I think :) |
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| 10:02.18 | lindi- | used openmoko yesterday to share gprs with wifi and then calypso crashed :( |
| 10:04.06 | alabd | Good day everyone , Which Bluetooth headphone works fine with FR ? |
| 10:05.48 | alabd | lindi-: share via bluetooth ... ? |
| 10:06.18 | alabd | PaulFertser: hi |
| 10:06.42 | PaulFertser | alabd: hey :) |
| 10:07.01 | alabd | how are you ok ? Paulf |
| 10:07.32 | alabd | anyone used bluetooth headphone with FR ? |
| 10:08.02 | PaulFertser | alabd: there's info on the wiki about supported headsets. |
| 10:08.08 | PaulFertser | alabd: i'm ok, how're you? |
| 10:08.29 | alabd | thanks god |
| 10:09.28 | PaulFertser | alabd: wiki.openmoko.org |
| 10:09.30 | Rakhun | alabd: Hey, it turns out my friend just saw the price on openmoko.net, which I guess might ship from the US (what you were looking at already) |
| 10:09.56 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: it's important to get 900MHz version and not US-specific 850. |
| 10:10.02 | alabd | PaulFertser: would you tell exactly which electronical parts you have changed here to see if they are not in iran be got from foreign |
| 10:10.34 | alabd | Rakhun: hi what was price? |
| 10:10.37 | PaulFertser | alabd: buzzfix: 0402 or 0603 2.2k R and 100uF tantalum or ceramic cap "size C" or smaller. |
| 10:10.54 | PaulFertser | alabd: 1024 fix: quality ceramic cap 22uF 0805 6.3V |
| 10:11.05 | Rakhun | alabd: 250$ |
| 10:11.34 | alabd | where Rakhun |
| 10:11.42 | alabd | PaulFertser: prefect thanks |
| 10:12.13 | Rakhun | alabd: http://openmoko.net |
| 10:13.55 | alabd | Rakhun: which one http://openmoko.net/distributors.html ? |
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| 10:15.08 | Rakhun | alabd: I'd guess he just clicked the big sales link.. he didn't have any more detailed directions |
| 10:16.12 | alabd | Rakhun: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner this ?yes that is 250$ |
| 10:16.34 | alabd | but post it to sweden will be 100$ or more ... |
| 10:20.30 | Rakhun | yeah, I guess he did not consider that |
| 10:21.03 | Rakhun | (nor the GSM frequency thing) |
| 10:23.14 | laotseu | .c |
| 10:23.14 | alabd | yes |
| 10:23.30 | alabd | anyone used bluetooth headphone with FR ? |
| 10:24.21 | lindi- | alabd: the wiki |
| 10:24.38 | lindi- | alabd: has list of nick names of people who have |
| 10:28.27 | alabd | lindi-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=support+headset&go=Go |
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| 10:40.30 | lindi- | alabd: yes there in the "list .." |
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| 11:01.19 | alabd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards here in that page which one of Supp. |
| 11:01.19 | alabd | Wear- |
| 11:01.19 | alabd | level. Supp. |
| 11:01.20 | alabd | ECC u-boot 1.1.6 linux 2.6.17.14-fic5 u-boot 1.2.0-moko8 svn1915 u-boot 1.3.2-moko12 linux 2.6.24+git75969 (2008.8 kernel as of Sept. 4, 2008) OM2008.9's kernel are important to memory supports it .. |
| 11:07.31 | alabd | In this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards which one of these : |
| 11:07.31 | alabd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.59 | alabd | lindi-: would you give it's link (has list of nick names of people who have) |
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| 11:40.51 | alabd | which parts buzz will be omitt after c-rework fix ? |
| 11:41.14 | alabd | which parts buzz will be omited after c-rework fix |
| 11:47.00 | lindi- | alabd: what? |
| 11:47.30 | alabd | lindi-: Does buzz remain with BT headset ... |
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| 11:51.44 | lindi- | alabd: i have not been able to test myself :) |
| 11:52.56 | lindi- | alabd: my bluetooth headset does not work with FR |
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| 12:13.53 | alabd | why it does no work with FR ? |
| 12:17.30 | alabd | and where is list of nick names of people who have bluetooth that you mentioned .? |
| 12:20.19 | alabd | where are those Bluetooth headsets that wroked with FR listed ? |
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| 12:22.43 | Gabrys | alabd: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/List_of_bluetooth_headsets |
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| 13:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: that's a question for Werner, or Andi, or maybe Mickey |
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| 15:09.22 | giaco | hello |
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| 15:16.40 | alabd | Good day everyone , Is anyone here from pulster.de ? |
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| 15:24.54 | alabd | what happened to tuxbrain and pulster prices today ? |
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| 15:46.13 | brian_ | 199 at tux |
| 15:47.00 | slaxxer | 229 at pultser |
| 15:52.11 | alabd | slaxxer: no tux is 441 USD (299 EUR) .... why you say 199 ? |
| 15:56.12 | Bane^ | where does it say it's 299? |
| 15:57.24 | alabd | yes it was surpriser maybe today prices have been changed see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors |
| 15:57.33 | Bane^ | oh, A7 is 299 |
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| 15:58.06 | alabd | Bane^: yes does tux have A6 ? |
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| 15:59.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | is amazed how much of a difference his buzzfix is worth |
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| 16:00.56 | larsc | you could have made millions ;) |
| 16:01.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I *should* :-P |
| 16:02.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | rather they decided to set me free |
| 16:02.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though I wasn't the only one... |
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| 16:03.40 | SpeedEvil | Nobody is actually employed ATM in any aspect of phones from OM-corporate? |
| 16:04.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not afaik |
| 16:05.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | seems atm OM is ~1..5 guys/gals |
| 16:05.34 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how many actual units the wikireader thing is moving |
| 16:05.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah |
| 16:06.08 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though honestly I probably couldn't care less |
| 16:07.34 | alabd | which shop sales A6 cheaper ? |
| 16:08.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | alabd: isn't it simple enough to check by yourself? |
| 16:09.31 | alabd | it's not exact DocScrutinizer |
| 16:10.53 | alabd | DocScrutinizer-8: some prices has been changed perhaps .. |
| 16:12.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | alabd: there's quite a number of resellers, and nobody here has any means better than yours to find out their current pricing |
| 16:13.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and I don't think prices changed recently |
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| 16:15.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | damn, my Konversation client has constant relogin habit today :-S |
| 16:15.47 | d1b | DocScrutinizer-8: try irssi :) |
| 16:16.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | to rule out it's a client caused issue? |
| 16:17.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm more concerned sth with my whole system might be fishy |
| 16:17.09 | d1b | no :) |
| 16:17.20 | d1b | because irssi is nice |
| 16:18.22 | Archimedes | hm... "17:13 -!- DocScrutinizer [n=jr@200.194.116.85.dsl.manitu.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]" doesn't that mean it is not your client? |
| 16:18.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | as it's not a simple connectivity issue, as I can tell from this device here using same modem-router |
| 16:18.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and no relogins here |
| 16:19.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Archimedes: no, that's Konversation ghosting my previous login on reconnect |
| 16:20.39 | Archimedes | ah, ok, fist it ghosts, and then it joins again^^ |
| 16:21.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Archimedes: yep, basically |
| 16:21.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the disconnect happened some 3 min earlier though |
| 16:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-13 17:13:22] [Fehler] Verbindung zu Server irc.freenode.org abgebrochen: Kein Fehler. |
| 16:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-13 17:13:35] [Willkommen] Welcome to the freenode IRC Network DocScrutinizer2 |
| 16:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-13 17:13:42] *** Das Kanalthema lautet: "Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join |
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| 16:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-13 17:13:33] [Spitzname] Spitzname wird bereits benutzt. Versuche DocScrutinizer2. |
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| 17:34.42 | panicking | DocScrutinizer-8, are you there? |
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| 17:37.28 | panicking | Q-Master, what is your real name? |
| 17:39.07 | Q-Master | panicking: Vladimir |
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| 18:41.33 | obey | hallo, does anyone know an easy way to count gprs traffic on the freerunner? |
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| 19:15.41 | thomas_sch | hmm i plan to buy a openmoko but someone told me that the microphone suckz and the battery runtime is very low? can someone tell me something about it? |
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| 19:17.48 | Weiss | thomas_sch: I know of "proper" phones with shorter battery life, and by "microphone", you probably mean the buzz problem which is fixed as long as you take care to buy version A7 (or later) |
| 19:20.36 | thomas_sch | i think he ment the issue that the battery discharges when fully charged |
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| 19:21.27 | Weiss | I *think* that one's fixed already. I certainly haven't heard complaints about it for a long tim |
| 19:21.30 | Weiss | time* |
| 19:21.42 | Weiss | (the problem where you can, e.g. charge up overnight yet wake up to a flat battery) |
| 19:23.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | thomas_sch: this is a no-issue - a misperception |
| 19:24.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Weiss: (or later) ;-D |
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| 19:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | obey: ifconfig? |
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| 19:38.30 | nicfer | one question, is openmoko compatible with moto droid? |
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| 19:39.46 | nicfer | or another android devices |
| 19:41.05 | nicfer | and even windows mobile, symbian or blackberries, or etc |
| 19:41.05 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yes, Freerunner is a device with Android that's actually mostly compatible with OM |
| 19:42.32 | nicfer | wasn't originally freerunner designed to run with openmoko? |
| 19:43.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nicfer: can you install a win-mobile of e.g. samsung on even any other brand winmoob hardware? |
| 19:43.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you can't |
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| 19:45.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for same reason not any OS is "compatible" with a particular platform. You might ask if there's someone working on a port of OM to any platform other than Neo. The answer for moto droid is: I dunno |
| 19:48.30 | nicfer | I mean, installing it on other phones that weren't designed to run with OM (at least as the merchasing says) |
| 19:49.07 | nicfer | like when you install linux on dell or hp machines that came with vista |
| 19:49.37 | SpeedEvil | OM has to essentially be completely customised per phone it runs on |
| 19:49.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nicfer: dell and hp ***X86** machines, no? |
| 19:49.44 | SpeedEvil | PCs are largely the same internally |
| 19:50.16 | SpeedEvil | Mobile phones differ - sometimes a bit - sometimes drastically |
| 19:50.16 | SpeedEvil | And there are often few or no duocuments on the components. |
| 19:50.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mostly drastically |
| 19:50.19 | SpeedEvil | meaning that it can be really, really hard to port. |
| 19:50.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and there will be no compatibility out of the box anyway |
| 19:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 19:51.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | like "is macintosh compatible to windows" |
| 19:51.32 | SpeedEvil | You can't put OM on a random phone, and have it sort of work, but some drivers not be there. |
| 19:51.50 | SpeedEvil | It's like you have to do considerable work to get to the point where it doesn't boot properly. |
| 19:52.47 | nicfer | then why does android work correctly on freerunner being this not android compatible? |
| 19:53.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | someone ported android for freerunner |
| 19:53.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and it was a hell of work and isn't really finished yet |
| 19:55.10 | nicfer | the inverse way should work for OM on other phones, but there are hundreds of them and will be hundred times harder |
| 19:55.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | it's like asking "is a VW Golf motor compatible to Daihatsu cars?" |
| 19:55.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nicfer: now you got it :-) |
| 20:00.39 | SpeedEvil | Porting anything to OM hardware is lots, lots, lots eeasier as you have docs |
| 20:00.41 | nicfer | and porting android to freerunner isn't against OM's goal? |
| 20:00.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nicfer: actually OM has been ported to a few other devices |
| 20:00.47 | SpeedEvil | OM has no goal. |
| 20:01.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nicfer: OM the Inc is selling HW |
| 20:01.51 | SpeedEvil | OM is out of the phone buisness ATM |
| 20:02.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and encouraged community to do whatever they like with it - even port Android to it ;-) |
| 20:02.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: not entirely |
| 20:02.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | OM still selling FR |
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| 20:06.57 | idarwin | Speaking of which, has Sean or anyone high up there said anything about whether they plan to remain in the FR business now they appear to have sold out their existing stock of older A6 units? The Buy Now link now only says to buy from local distributor. Are they planning to make more someday? Is anybody or any community group actually going anything with the freed wiring diagrams CAD files etc? |
| 20:08.05 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 20:08.09 | SpeedEvil | Not quite entirely. |
| 20:08.33 | SpeedEvil | idarwin: A community group can't do anything with the diagrams directly. |
| 20:08.56 | SpeedEvil | idarwin: It would need a substantial slice of $100K to do a small run of phones at a sane price. |
| 20:09.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | idarwin: there's plenty of A7 on stock at OM |
| 20:09.17 | SpeedEvil | idarwin: As some parts are not available. |
| 20:10.17 | idarwin | Speedevil yes, understood, a community group would therefore need to pre-sell ~400 units, which aint gonna happen anytime soon. |
| 20:10.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | AIUI world won't run short of new FR ever |
| 20:12.25 | idarwin | And, are there any distros today on which current phones (say, A7) never ever ever get the 'totally dead battery' symptom that requires you to either use non-std charging or take the battery out and charge it ext. or pop in a battery from a Nokia to bootstrap the charging? |
| 20:12.45 | SpeedEvil | GTA02-core has the horrible problem that it's too late. |
| 20:12.45 | SpeedEvil | A large fraction of the potential users will get a n900. |
| 20:12.49 | Rakhun | is curious about how far you can get with those cads and a reprap |
| 20:13.00 | SpeedEvil | Another fraction will only not get the n900 as they can't afford it. Which means you're competing on price. |
| 20:13.07 | SpeedEvil | Which is utterly horrible. |
| 20:13.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | idarwin: A7 has no such problem with bat |
| 20:13.11 | SpeedEvil | Rakhun: you can make the case. |
| 20:13.23 | SpeedEvil | Rakhun: you cannot make a 8 (?) layer PCB at home. |
| 20:13.33 | Rakhun | ok |
| 20:13.51 | SpeedEvil | Rakhun: and populating a mobile phone class board at home - while in principle is possible - is _damn_ hard, and your yields will be shit. |
| 20:14.20 | Rakhun | hehe, I can imagine :) |
| 20:14.24 | idarwin | Does everyone agree with DocScrutinizer about the A7 never ever having the horrible battery problem? |
| 20:14.52 | idarwin | In other words, re: build your own, "Don't try this at home, kids" :-) |
| 20:14.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~docscrutinizer |
| 20:14.53 | apt | docscrutinizer is probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 20:14.58 | SpeedEvil | Adding the fact that you cannot buy easily many of the components |
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| 20:21.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: plus the fact gta02-core is about implementing the process, not about building a device with any practical use or even attractivity |
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| 20:25.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | idarwin: so I think you can take my word. A7 has my buzzfix applied, and a large capacitor on Vsys so it always starts even without battery |
| 20:30.31 | Rakhun | iirc uboot refused to continue though :) haven't tried the scenario with Qi yet |
| 20:32.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Rakhun: there've been borked uBoot versions, that's true. But that's a sw-problem, as the hw actually is up and running when uBoot is starting |
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| 20:33.04 | Rakhun | yep, I didn't mean anything was wrong with the hardware :) |
| 20:37.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I did a test with A7 this very moment. Without bat, FR A7 doesn't boot from arbitrary charger, but it boots fine from NOR uBoot with original OM charger |
| 20:40.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so official OM recommendation whenever you're facing flat bat problem is: hold AUX button, plug OM charger (press power button if needed), release buttons on uboot menu. Select "boot" from NOR bootmenu with AUX and press power then |
| 20:42.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | also works for most A6 |
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| 21:42.34 | JayPro | how do you guys like your freerunner? anyone install andriod? |
| 21:44.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | i like my freerunners, but i've not played with android |
| 21:44.34 | Rakhun | JayPro: check #android-on-freerunner |
| 21:45.09 | Rakhun | I've tried to install it, but apparently it doesn't work the way I wanted it (only on sd card or only in flash) |
| 21:46.00 | JayPro | ahh... pretty easy to use right out of the box, or was there some customization that needed to be done before it was good to go? |
| 21:46.46 | Rakhun | for pure phone-stuff it worked right out of the box |
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| 21:47.19 | Rakhun | but to get a terminal you had to connect it to a computer first and set up a virtual network through which you SSH into the phone to install a terminal |
| 21:47.56 | Rakhun | at least on mine, but different distributors might prepare them differently I suppose :) |
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| 21:50.08 | JayPro | ohhh okay...cool... thats all i need to know! thanks! |
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| 22:44.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r638ca85dee20 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: parse iso3361 list and augment countrylist w/ real name |
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| 22:47.29 | JayPro | do you guys know where to buy a freerunner in san diego? |
| 22:48.02 | JayPro | i wanted to buy the A7, but when i click on "distributors" on the openmoko website, i find out that the link is broken |
| 22:48.30 | SpeedEvil | Ah - don't you love designers that improve websites. |
| 22:48.43 | SpeedEvil | I would look for a distributor list on the wiki |
| 22:52.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * rc5741bcd22a5 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add errors for MusicPlayer and MusicPlayer.Playlist |
| 22:52.47 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r2a41332618f0 10/org.freesmartphone.MusicPlayer/ (2 files): Fixed copy and paste error for MusicPlayer.* |
| 22:52.48 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * rce7204d30ca9 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of fso:specs |
| 22:52.49 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r41cc73bdd9cf 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:52.49 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Add MusicPlayer.Playlist.JumpTo method |
| 22:52.51 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Fix some typos |
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