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| 05:31.59 | slaxxer | whatisit |
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| 05:46.50 | Breese_Kay | hi,all.where I can go to "setup", It appeare here :http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Enscribi at Step 4. |
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| 05:54.26 | slaxxer | new freerunner? |
| 05:54.32 | luke-jr | slaxxer: ? |
| 05:54.58 | slaxxer | did ya win that auction? |
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| 06:07.45 | Breese_Kay | hi,all. Does the shr-messages has api can send sms though bash shell command ? |
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| 06:45.19 | Breese_Kay | I found my setting does include "Language Settings" I use full shr image. how should I set ? |
| 06:45.28 | Breese_Kay | does not include |
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| 06:47.40 | tomcatek | Breese_Kay: have to install language package and change language in illume settings |
| 06:52.37 | Breese_Kay | tomcatek: I have a issue. I use full shr image install my openmoko phone. if I don't select "language setting" programe when the system setup at first time.I have to install the packge use opkg ? no other way ? |
| 06:54.26 | PaulFertser | Breese_Kay: what's the problem? |
| 06:55.31 | Breese_Kay | PaulFertser: I found my phone doesn't have langguage setting menu , keyboard menu . |
| 06:56.06 | PaulFertser | Breese_Kay: you can go to E settings and load necessary modules for that i think |
| 06:57.12 | Breese_Kay | go to E settings ? where I can get it ... |
| 06:59.53 | tomcatek | Breese_Kay: scroll down upper bar, tnd there You will find in upper left corner a small tool icon |
| 06:59.54 | PaulFertser | Breese_Kay: "the wrench" |
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| 07:01.24 | Breese_Kay | I found it =_- ;;; |
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| 07:25.11 | alabd | Good day everyone , what has happened with this http://www.parisoma.com/openmoko_shop ? |
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| 07:30.46 | pupnik | why do you ask alabd |
| 07:31.28 | alabd | pupnik: how to shop from http://www.parisoma.com/ ? |
| 07:31.45 | alabd | pupnik: how to buy from http://www.parisoma.com/ |
| 07:33.31 | pupnik | dunno |
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| 08:25.48 | Acedip | how does one know if freerunner is either running Om or SHR or any other distro? |
| 08:30.07 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9758080c75e0 10/fsotimed/src/bin/.gitignore: fsotimed: gitignore++ |
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| 10:01.14 | Psi | we really need to get sms app playing the sound every 10min until you read the sms |
| 10:01.37 | Psi | keep missing messages cos im away from phone when the msg wav plays |
| 10:02.57 | PaulFertser | Psi: indeed. To that wake-on-rtc should work reliably. |
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| 10:04.16 | Breese_Kay | hi,all .how to reset the shr screen config . It cause a seriaus bug when I use enscribi. |
| 10:04.26 | Psi | i miss them when the phone is sitting at home run and on charge |
| 10:04.30 | Psi | which is all the time when im at home |
| 10:04.33 | Breese_Kay | sorry, reset scrren config use ssh |
| 10:04.37 | Psi | run=running |
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| 10:05.16 | beer | morning |
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| 10:06.32 | Psi | is there any way i can setup a cron task to run a task if the new message screen is showing |
| 10:09.52 | PaulFertser | Psi: sorry, that's something fso folks should know about. |
| 10:10.38 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:10.49 | Psi | does your shr show all sms as timestamp 1.01.1970 01:00 ? |
| 10:10.55 | Psi | or is there something ive not setup |
| 10:11.06 | Psi | my clock is set |
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| 10:14.34 | PaulFertser | Psi: running old (those that were packaged) shr-messages on Debian here, the timestamp is correct. |
| 10:15.17 | Psi | hm.. |
| 10:17.34 | PaulFertser | Psi: it doesn't matter anyway, shr-messages are deprecated. SHR is going to use new phoneui stuff with opimd and all the goodies attached. |
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| 11:34.53 | Acedip | i cant connect to the computer in usb host mode. |
| 11:38.04 | Acedip | i mean FF |
| 11:38.15 | Acedip | *FR |
| 11:39.35 | Acedip | though "dmesg" says its switching in host mode. and there was "HDQ error:1" and "HDQ responds again", if that helps |
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| 11:46.52 | PaulFertser | Acedip: computer can't be in a slave mode, so there's no sense to connect FR to computer when FR is host. |
| 11:47.16 | Acedip | then? |
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| 11:53.50 | PaulFertser | Acedip: then do not do that |
| 11:54.32 | Acedip | ohk, then how? |
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| 12:06.26 | lindi- | Acedip: how what? |
| 12:06.53 | Acedip | how to connect FR to computer? |
| 12:07.05 | lindi- | Acedip: put FR to device nmode |
| 12:10.04 | Acedip | lindi-, ohk, it is now, also being charged, but cant get to see it as a drive/device. |
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| 12:10.41 | lindi- | Acedip: drive? |
| 12:11.14 | lindi- | Acedip: run "uname -a; lsusb; lsmod" on both sides and put the complete output online somewhere |
| 12:11.15 | Acedip | lindi-, well what is FR's behavior when connected to a computer? |
| 12:11.24 | lindi- | Acedip: FR's behavior depends on software |
| 12:11.35 | mjr | yeah |
| 12:11.51 | mjr | most systems' default behaviour is to identify as an ethernet gadget |
| 12:12.10 | mjr | (and ask for 500mA in current) |
| 12:12.27 | Acedip | it is getting that current, being charged |
| 12:12.37 | mjr | if there's no relevant driver on the host side, it may not necessarily get the okay for the current |
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| 12:17.00 | Acedip | here http://www.fpaste.org/ESp2/ |
| 12:18.25 | Acedip | and some dmesg output http://www.fpaste.org/SFfW/ |
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| 12:18.38 | lindi- | Acedip: looks good, now just "ip link show" |
| 12:20.25 | Acedip | http://www.fpaste.org/8kfu/ |
| 12:22.54 | lindi- | Acedip: it's probably that usb0 |
| 12:23.36 | Acedip | yes maybe. |
| 12:25.54 | Acedip | well i want to access FR's flash |
| 12:26.00 | Acedip | will i be able to do that from computer |
| 12:26.16 | Acedip | save data/files in it |
| 12:26.54 | Acedip | i thought it would pop up in my computer just like similar to a usb stick |
| 12:27.41 | lindi- | Acedip: use ssh |
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| 12:31.40 | Acedip | lindi-, is it connected to the net? |
| 12:32.16 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r5712 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (docs/ecn/ecn0001.txt docs/ecn/ecn0010.txt pmu.sch): |
| 12:32.16 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - pmu.sch: implemented swap of LDO2 and LDO4 (ECN0010) |
| 12:32.16 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - ECN0010: added software impact and commit entry |
| 12:32.16 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - ECN0001: fixed overlength line, clarified kernel change |
| 12:32.39 | Acedip | you mean to ssh to FR from my computer? |
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| 12:37.09 | Acedip | well what is host mode for? |
| 12:38.58 | Acedip | well the dmesg says "no IPv6 routers present" |
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| 12:39.54 | gour | hi, i read the june's "future of FR" ml thread, looked in wiki...and wonder if the time is ready for linux smart-phone, i.e. is the hardware of FR good-enough to be used for some years...otoh, i saw one dev went to do webos stuff and i'm curious if palm's hardware is more appropriate for someone wanting to use linux-based smart-phone? |
| 12:40.36 | Acedip | gour, archive link? |
| 12:40.56 | gour | Acedip: let me find it |
| 12:41.23 | ndnihil | it's useable with a little bit of work setting things up |
| 12:42.10 | gour | Acedip: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/048903.html |
| 12:42.58 | gour | ndnihil: that i've concluded based on the reading...what about hardware quality? how long can it lasts? |
| 12:43.11 | ndnihil | it's actually quite well made |
| 12:43.18 | ndnihil | kinda surprised me in that aspect |
| 12:43.31 | ndnihil | just dont break the screen and you should be fine |
| 12:44.28 | gour | and what's the european price for a7 version (that's the one with buzz-fix, right?)? |
| 12:44.29 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rde0d5083fc0b 10/fsogsmd/ (configure.ac vapi/config.vapi): fsogsmd: require mobile-broadband-provider-info and bind via config.vapi |
| 12:44.39 | ndnihil | yep, a7 is buzzfixed |
| 12:45.05 | ndnihil | no idea what the euro price is |
| 12:45.14 | gour | is qt recommended distro, or it depends on one's needs? |
| 12:45.15 | ndnihil | probably best to inquire with a distributor |
| 12:45.30 | ndnihil | qt runs pretty nice, but I haven't used it much |
| 12:45.40 | ndnihil | been using SHR unstable here |
| 12:46.49 | gour | shr uses gtk+ libs (which i prefer over qt) |
| 12:53.57 | gour | wiki says: "email reader and contacts manager: software is not stable yet" - is it still valid? |
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| 13:04.35 | pbaxter | hi all |
| 13:05.25 | pbaxter | gour: qtmoko is very stable but has a big problem: dependly on your moko there is a bug that make you not receive sometimes sms |
| 13:06.04 | gour | pbaxter: hmm, this is thrilling |
| 13:06.20 | gour | in the meantime, i saw, that there should be claws mailer for shr |
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| 13:06.27 | pbaxter | gour: you can try it |
| 13:06.38 | pbaxter | gour: also the moko is bought to try with it and play also with it |
| 13:06.49 | pbaxter | not to have a stable phone else there many smartphone |
| 13:07.07 | gour | pbaxter: well, first i've to decide is it useful enough to buy it |
| 13:07.29 | pbaxter | gour: if you'r coder that's cool |
| 13:07.31 | gour | i'd like to support open-source stuff...not something like ipod |
| 13:07.32 | pbaxter | else don't know |
| 13:07.41 | pbaxter | but hardware of FR is old |
| 13:07.47 | pbaxter | gour: there are many other now |
| 13:07.59 | pbaxter | hardware of FR is old |
| 13:08.02 | pbaxter | quite old* |
| 13:08.10 | gour | well, i'm not sure python & haskell are the best langs for FR |
| 13:08.18 | pbaxter | for example there is n900 of nokia with Maemo/Mer |
| 13:08.34 | pbaxter | then there is htc with a most of android source open-source |
| 13:08.36 | gour | what are some other open & linux-based phones? |
| 13:08.42 | pbaxter | n900 |
| 13:08.44 | pbaxter | htc |
| 13:08.50 | lindi- | pbaxter: n900 is not usable without proprietary software |
| 13:09.06 | pbaxter | lindi-: n900 is maemo/mer i think |
| 13:09.13 | lindi- | pbaxter: so? |
| 13:09.18 | pbaxter | also lindi- some parts of FR are not opensource |
| 13:09.20 | pbaxter | and you know |
| 13:09.31 | pbaxter | i've read somewhere a lot of time ago on ML |
| 13:09.34 | lindi- | pbaxter: i'm talking about things that run on the main cpu |
| 13:09.47 | pbaxter | there is a part concerning gsm i think (a driver) that's not open |
| 13:10.01 | lindi- | pbaxter: in fr gsm stuff runs on a separate cpu |
| 13:10.03 | pbaxter | lindi-: what you mean so with "n900 is not usable without propietary software"? |
| 13:10.11 | pbaxter | lindi-: ok didn't know this |
| 13:10.19 | lindi- | pbaxter: you need a proprietary program to have the battery charge :) |
| 13:10.26 | pbaxter | lindi-: i didn't know |
| 13:10.52 | pbaxter | lindi-: thanks for info :) |
| 13:11.05 | pbaxter | lindi-: do you know green phone? |
| 13:11.20 | lindi- | pbaxter: nope |
| 13:11.48 | pbaxter | ok no worries |
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| 13:43.14 | Acedip | well fr doesnt connect to the network when connected to my computer |
| 13:43.15 | Acedip | ? |
| 13:45.29 | lindi- | Acedip: it all depends on the software |
| 13:45.43 | Acedip | ohk :) |
| 13:45.53 | lindi- | Acedip: the wiki has some notes on how you can configure it |
| 13:46.48 | Acedip | lindi-, ohk, well any particular thing you want to point out looking at the posts of my computer? |
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| 13:47.50 | lindi- | Acedip: well you need to configure ip address for usb0 and setup some sort of NAT probably |
| 13:58.31 | PaulFertser | Acedip: you need to spend some time reading the OM wiki probably |
| 13:59.12 | lindi- | Acedip: remember to enable javascript. the wiki search does not work without |
| 14:04.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: alternatively, one can use site:wiki.openmoko.org and regular google interface |
| 14:04.46 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but google is proprietary search engine :( |
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| 14:05.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: alas |
| 14:06.03 | Acedip | thankyou guys! I shall do my homework and get back :) |
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| 16:47.56 | slaxxer | qt WOTKS |
| 16:48.01 | slaxxer | works |
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| 17:27.12 | pbaxter | slaxxer: qtmoko works |
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| 18:13.37 | alabd | good day everyone , what is #1024 recamping about ? |
| 18:15.57 | mwester | Look at bug 1024 in the bug tracker. |
| 18:17.11 | alabd | mwester: it is blocked for iranians ... so would explain one line for it ? and is it done in A7 ? |
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| 18:29.00 | mwester | The GSM cannot remain in deep-sleep mode; it enters deep-sleep, loses registration, and re-registers constantly. This is a hardware problem in the phone. |
| 18:29.33 | mwester | The workaround is to disable deep-sleep, which works very well at the cost of some decrease in battery life. |
| 18:34.21 | luke-jr | "The Freerunner date code is 20080622, it is an A02, with a blue PCB." |
| 18:34.33 | luke-jr | can it be updates to A7 by hand? |
| 18:34.37 | luke-jr | updated* |
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| 18:38.33 | alabd | mwester: problem remains in A6 ? |
| 18:40.05 | mwester | problem exists in all gta01 and gta02 hardware, regardless of version., |
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| 18:40.41 | mwester | and since OM-the-company is not making any more revisions AFAIK, it won't be fixed by them. |
| 18:41.05 | luke-jr | mwester: what about the 1024-fix? |
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| 18:48.15 | pbaxter | mwester:in SHR the bug is done through softawre |
| 18:48.19 | pbaxter | software |
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| 18:53.38 | der-lehmann | pbaxter: really? |
| 18:54.09 | mwester | The software "fix" has been around for a looooong time -- it is, as I said, to disable deep-sleep mode. |
| 18:54.16 | pbaxter | der-lehmann: i know that in SHR this bug has been solved through software |
| 18:54.35 | pbaxter | mwester: it's ok if the phone works for 4/5 days |
| 18:54.39 | pbaxter | in standby |
| 18:55.28 | der-lehmann | i get only 2 days |
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| 18:56.40 | pbaxter | der-lehmann: ?_? |
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| 19:00.35 | der-lehmann | pbaxter: ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never on frameworkd.conf |
| 19:03.34 | der-lehmann | ist that right? |
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| 19:11.59 | luke-jr | should any SIM card work in OpenMoko phones? |
| 19:12.22 | luke-jr | I'm confused because Boost Mobile is a sub-company of Sprint, which is CDMA, and Boost Mobile themselves only sell phones, not SIM cards |
| 19:12.25 | luke-jr | yet ebay has SIM cards... |
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| 19:17.49 | luke-jr | hmm, something about an iDEN network that uses SIM too?? O.o |
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| 19:23.09 | matze | hi |
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| 20:33.45 | alabd | Good day everyone , how much does it cost if FR be sent to seden from US shop ? |
| 20:33.50 | alabd | Good day everyone , how much does it cost if FR be sent to sweden from US shop |
| 20:35.38 | Rakhun | wouldn't it be cheaper to buy it from Germany or so? |
| 20:35.58 | slaxxer | proly wants an 850 |
| 20:35.59 | Rakhun | (nevermind, maybe that is what you're trying to find out :) ) |
| 20:36.05 | alabd | yes it seems |
| 20:36.46 | alabd | no our country GSM s are 900 or 900/1800 |
| 20:38.02 | slaxxer | Taichung 407 |
| 20:38.03 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.21 | alabd | taiwan what slaxxer ? |
| 20:39.23 | slaxxer | may not be many 900 in usa |
| 20:39.59 | slaxxer | a distru in taiwan |
| 20:40.24 | slaxxer | can u go to openmoko.com |
| 20:42.20 | Rakhun | alabd: I got mine from Golden Delicious/handheldlinux.com (to sweden), but a friend of mine said he found it cheaper elsewhere, I can ask him where he found it next time I see him (sometime tomorrow I guess) |
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| 20:53.04 | pieterc | hey you guys heard about go? |
| 20:53.10 | pieterc | (google's new language) |
| 20:53.20 | pieterc | it looks promising to me. |
| 20:53.28 | luke-jr | ... |
| 20:53.28 | pieterc | They're doing a compiler for arm processors too |
| 20:53.32 | luke-jr | Google is evil |
| 20:53.36 | pieterc | you're evil |
| 20:53.52 | luke-jr | I'll accept 'go' when I accept C# |
| 20:54.04 | pieterc | come on, google tries its best, be happy I don't... mono... right, you're first;) |
| 20:54.21 | pieterc | well... go is open source at last |
| 20:54.24 | alabd | in This is the European GSM 900/1800/1900 version of the |
| 20:54.27 | pieterc | is developed by our pal ken tompson |
| 20:54.34 | alabd | it means it work in GSMs 900 and 1800 and 1900 ? |
| 20:54.45 | pbaxter | pieterc: but it does use some securething of C and the link between them is not so |
| 20:54.51 | luke-jr | pieterc: Google can't write code for beans |
| 20:55.02 | slaxxer | alabd yes |
| 20:55.11 | pbaxter | pieterc: go uses something of C and the link between them is not secure |
| 20:56.21 | pieterc | pbaxter: ... huh? |
| 20:56.48 | alabd | Is 1024 problem software problem ? |
| 20:56.57 | luke-jr | alabd: hardware.. |
| 20:57.01 | pbaxter | pieterc: i've read on a forum then when it compiles or someother time, it uses some C thing |
| 20:57.05 | luke-jr | that's why the fix is a hardware fix |
| 20:57.10 | alabd | so is it fixed in A7 ? |
| 20:57.12 | pbaxter | and the link when it does this operation is not secure |
| 20:57.16 | luke-jr | alabd: not afaik |
| 20:57.23 | pbaxter | and we can have errors in memory and such things |
| 20:57.26 | alabd | in all OSs ? |
| 20:57.50 | luke-jr | alabd: OpenMoko Inc was happy with telling distros to workaround it |
| 20:58.20 | pieterc | pbaxter: well it is an open source project, so if it's insercure enough I'm sure it'll get fixed... your something problem... |
| 20:58.25 | alabd | it happens when phones s stand by ? |
| 20:58.40 | luke-jr | pieterc: bad logic |
| 20:58.46 | alabd | it happens when phone is stand by ? |
| 20:59.25 | pbaxter | pieterc: this just what i read in a forum |
| 20:59.49 | pieterc | ok ok :) |
| 21:00.18 | alabd | luke-jr: do you mean it will not be fixed after gsm firmware upgarde ? |
| 21:02.08 | max_posedon | go haven't any libs now |
| 21:02.11 | max_posedon | its useless |
| 21:02.42 | pieterc | I think google made some good points saying we need a programming language that combines both python, perl and c pros. They're doing it in an OS way and they're creating compilers for al kinds of processors. If I would be able to use perl's regexp power in a C++ way... I would be damn glad. I'm sure there are some negative points about it, but doesn't any programming language got those? |
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| 21:03.17 | max_posedon | pieterc, whe have one already |
| 21:03.27 | max_posedon | and its heavy used in fso-shr |
| 21:03.32 | pieterc | max_posedon: vala? |
| 21:03.33 | max_posedon | named "vala" |
| 21:03.34 | ndnihil | the only thing python should be combined with is a swift rm command |
| 21:04.36 | pieterc | max_posedon: vala understands slices? |
| 21:05.51 | max_posedon | I don't know |
| 21:06.07 | pieterc | max_posedon: vala has garbage collection? |
| 21:06.16 | max_posedon | yes |
| 21:06.24 | pieterc | max_posedon: oh rly (damn vala) |
| 21:06.26 | pieterc | ;) |
| 21:06.50 | max_posedon | ok, I think I lied |
| 21:07.05 | pieterc | duh |
| 21:07.10 | max_posedon | vala implements smth like shared_ptr + ref counting |
| 21:07.17 | max_posedon | (just reading wikipedia about it) |
| 21:07.35 | max_posedon | but I'm not vala developer, wrong person to ask may be) |
| 21:07.42 | pieterc | I just want to make clear Go IS pretty interesting to use on for instance SHR |
| 21:08.30 | pieterc | And personally I don't see any bad thing to it |
| 21:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | alabd: no, calypso fw update can't fix #1024 |
| 21:08.49 | max_posedon | Go haven't glib/dbus integration for now |
| 21:08.58 | max_posedon | completeless useless, except for hello worlds |
| 21:09.24 | pieterc | max_posedon: It's still being built... |
| 21:09.25 | max_posedon | I also don't belive in UI programs in Go next year, so, useless 2nd time |
| 21:09.42 | max_posedon | so, come back in 2 years, when everything will be ready |
| 21:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | alabd: it's definitely a hw-bug (layout fault) |
| 21:09.45 | max_posedon | for now its useless |
| 21:10.14 | pbaxter | bye all |
| 21:10.31 | pbaxter | pieterc: and let me know about Go ok? |
| 21:10.39 | pieterc | max_posedon: now you're saying I should not buy a freerunner because buying a freerunner today is pretty useless since there's still bug 1024(and that's only an example) |
| 21:11.33 | max_posedon | I dislike any comparing hot with soft, sorry) |
| 21:11.35 | pieterc | shouldn't we, as a revolutionary community, embrace things that are still a little hacky to use? |
| 21:11.53 | pieterc | max_posedon: comparing SHR to Go will do? ;) |
| 21:11.57 | max_posedon | go ahead! I wish you good like |
| 21:12.00 | max_posedon | *luck |
| 21:12.09 | pieterc | argh... I don't want a fight :p |
| 21:12.20 | pieterc | I just wish you weren't that stuborn |
| 21:12.34 | pieterc | you know what I mean for god sake |
| 21:13.00 | pieterc | And I understand your point |
| 21:13.09 | pieterc | and you got a point |
| 21:13.10 | max_posedon | I'm happy that fso/shr don't use proto buffers |
| 21:13.41 | radekp | pieterc: #1024 is not that big problem - deep sleep is disabled in majority of distros and 2 or 3 days between charging is not that bad |
| 21:13.44 | max_posedon | and I don't understand why when google release smth, its become widely discussed |
| 21:15.50 | pieterc | max_posedon: you can't deny they do have a great influence and they do have some great people aboard. And honnestly... If I have to choose between google and Microsoft/Apple. |
| 21:15.51 | pieterc | .. |
| 21:16.14 | max_posedon | as I said, I'm happy that fso/shr don't use proto buffers |
| 21:16.28 | Gabrys1 | one example Google vs Apple and Microsoft |
| 21:16.31 | max_posedon | and I remember how all discussed this protocol, when google released them |
| 21:16.40 | max_posedon | so, I don't see "influence" |
| 21:16.43 | Gabrys1 | does iPhoneOS or Windows Mobile work on FR? |
| 21:16.51 | Gabrys1 | and does Android work on FR? |
| 21:16.51 | SpeedEvil | Gabrys1: no |
| 21:17.53 | Gabrys1 | Google is quite open, they are still company and make money, but they also contribute to open and free stuff |
| 21:18.31 | max_posedon | personally I'm love Nokia more) |
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| 21:18.40 | SpeedEvil | android works on FR, as I understand it, but not with the proprietory apps - maps, and app-store |
| 21:19.08 | Gabrys1 | one of the problems with Android apps is that some of them contain native ARMv5 code |
| 21:19.27 | Gabrys1 | which is OK for mainline Android HTC phones, but FR is only ARMv4 and this is why they crash |
| 21:19.51 | Gabrys1 | AppStore is only enabled on phones distributed in non-open way |
| 21:20.10 | Gabrys1 | with the agreements and stuff |
| 21:20.21 | lindi- | Gabrys1: just recompile for armv4, easy |
| 21:20.29 | Gabrys1 | nope |
| 21:20.40 | Gabrys1 | some apps for Android are binary only |
| 21:21.02 | Gabrys1 | as long as they are pure-Dalvik it's OK, but as I said, some of them contain some native code |
| 21:21.02 | lindi- | Gabrys1: proprietary applications? why do you worry then? |
| 21:21.34 | Gabrys1 | because I have no open application that is good GPS navigation system |
| 21:21.50 | max_posedon | its isn't big problem |
| 21:21.59 | SpeedEvil | Depends on what you want. |
| 21:22.02 | lindi- | Gabrys1: i guess people value different things |
| 21:22.07 | Gabrys1 | sure |
| 21:22.08 | max_posedon | and who wants gogole maps?! |
| 21:22.10 | SpeedEvil | I can see the new google-navigation system being very valuable |
| 21:22.15 | max_posedon | they even don't have my country! |
| 21:22.19 | SpeedEvil | with the streetview integration |
| 21:22.41 | lindi- | Gabrys1: i want to share and change software, you want to have powerful software |
| 21:22.47 | max_posedon | (e.g. no maps, only photos) |
| 21:22.54 | Gabrys1 | the StreetView on GPS system is the most stupid way I ever saw |
| 21:23.14 | SpeedEvil | Gabrys1: Done well I was meaning - I haven't seen the actual implementation |
| 21:23.21 | Gabrys1 | why would you like to see the image of street you're driving if you're driving it and see it real |
| 21:23.32 | pieterc | guys please... Java is way more evil than Go, why not embrace it. |
| 21:23.39 | SpeedEvil | Because I don't want to be looking at the screen all the time. |
| 21:23.48 | lindi- | pieterc: why is java evil? |
| 21:23.59 | SpeedEvil | And I want to be able to look at my destination before I set off, in order to know exactly which building it is |
| 21:24.30 | pieterc | lindi-: it's as proprietary as Go and we even can't submit syntaxis enhancements |
| 21:24.54 | pieterc | (to Java) |
| 21:25.04 | lindi- | pieterc: that's surely not a feature of a language, only feature of some implementation |
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| 21:25.36 | pieterc | lindi-: i mean't the compilers (and jvm) of course |
| 21:25.48 | lindi- | pieterc: you can surely modify those |
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| 21:26.57 | pieterc | lindi-: sigh... sure you can... I'm trying to say Go is trying to listen to the folks atm, and saying No to Go at this point will not do any good to anyone. |
| 21:28.42 | pieterc | whilst I think Go bring forward some really interesting ideas |
| 21:29.22 | luke-jr | alabd: it's not a firmware problem, it's a physical problem |
| 21:29.24 | lindi- | too young to say :) |
| 21:29.49 | pieterc | lindi-: If you're interested, this video is what made me curious: |
| 21:29.59 | pieterc | <luke-jr> alabd: it's not a firmware problem, it's a physical problem [22:29] |
| 21:29.59 | pieterc | <lindi-> too young to say :) |
| 21:29.59 | pieterc | ERC> *oops, emacs doesn't support C-v yet :p |
| 21:30.03 | pieterc | (my emacs) |
| 21:30.12 | lindi- | C-y |
| 21:30.12 | pieterc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s |
| 21:30.15 | pieterc | here you go |
| 21:30.49 | pieterc | -middle mouseclick did the trick- |
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| 21:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | yank :-P |
| 21:32.10 | pieterc | right :p |
| 21:32.20 | lindi- | pieterc: bit too large video |
| 21:33.05 | pieterc | lindi-: the first 10 minutes of the slides might be the most interesting |
| 21:33.16 | pieterc | the other 50 minutes are more syntax explantions |
| 21:33.25 | pieterc | *explenations |
| 21:34.08 | pieterc | is having difficulties with english at this stage of the day |
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| 21:36.48 | pieterc | imagine how cool it would be for openmoko to be the first arm platform go is being used... Would make those google guys finally see us? :p |
| 21:38.06 | max_posedon | they `saw us` in 2008, even sponsor some GSOC projects, but forgets in 2009 |
| 21:38.19 | max_posedon | I think they already know all what they want) |
| 21:39.10 | Gabrys1 | I like many openmoko apps are written in python |
| 21:39.28 | Gabrys1 | this means less compiling and easier developing |
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| 21:39.54 | pieterc | Gabrys1: which means no compiling and slow software |
| 21:40.05 | Gabrys1 | pieterc: it's not that slow |
| 21:40.13 | Gabrys1 | I agree frameworkd should be in C |
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| 21:40.16 | pieterc | Gabrys1: but it's a little slow isn't it ;) |
| 21:40.20 | Gabrys1 | C++ maybe |
| 21:40.31 | Gabrys1 | but end-user apps are OK to be in Python |
| 21:44.18 | pieterc | Gabrys1: I won't just copy here what google says, if you want to know you should check out the first 15 minutes of the youtube video I refered to. Google's points is not what I think and yes I do think you're right about python and c++, but this Go-thing is pretty interesting too and should not be ignored |
| 21:51.16 | pieterc | Oh yes, an interesting feature for now: go doesn't compile on windows sytems ;) |
| 21:55.33 | Gabrys1 | any Chinese people here? |
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| 22:06.21 | alabd | Is 4 GIG memory enough for Android+debian+SHR +Qtopia be installed with reqular softwares ? |
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| 22:07.26 | pieterc | alabd: yes |
| 22:07.42 | pieterc | 1 GB each should do I think |
| 22:08.48 | alabd | pieterc: with their softwares ? |
| 22:08.54 | alabd | like gps maps ... |
| 22:10.21 | pieterc | If I were you I would give SHR and QTopia 512 each, android and debain 1 GB each, and the rest a shared home folder for debian shr and QTopia |
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| 22:10.53 | pieterc | so you can re-use maps between debian and SHR (and maybe QTopia, dunno) |
| 22:11.12 | alabd | ohum |
| 22:11.21 | alabd | which memory mark do you advice ? |
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| 22:12.00 | pieterc | memory mark? |
| 22:12.25 | alabd | memory brans pieterc |
| 22:12.33 | alabd | *brands |
| 22:12.33 | lindi- | why use separate partitions? |
| 22:13.11 | alabd | pieterc: kingstone ?sandisk ? ... ? |
| 22:13.36 | pieterc | alabd: oh, I use sandisk myself but I don't know about others :) |
| 22:13.55 | pieterc | lindi-: isn't that more appropriate? |
| 22:14.32 | alabd | how to understand sandisk is original one ? pieterc |
| 22:15.35 | pieterc | what do you mean alabd? |
| 22:16.04 | alabd | how to find out whether that sandisk is original one or not ? |
| 22:16.21 | alabd | someone sale fake .. |
| 22:18.27 | alabd | pieterc: do you have 4 giig ? |
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| 22:21.05 | pieterc | alabd: yes |
| 22:21.10 | pieterc | oh... he left |
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| 23:16.50 | Gabrys1 | I found a way how to install apps from Market onto Android on FR |
| 23:18.54 | pieterc | Gabrys1: get the apk and push through adb? |
| 23:19.07 | Gabrys1 | yes, the problem is how to get the apk |
| 23:19.45 | Gabrys1 | so basically you need to install the app on emulator and pull the apk with adb |
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