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| 00:10.45 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: the person who wrote that understands life even less than the school |
| 00:13.24 | mwester | hehe! That quote reminds me of those ridiculous motivational posters some companies have plastered on their walls. |
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| 00:23.58 | luke-jr | everyone knows the true purpose of life is suffering! |
| 00:26.36 | mwester | Life has no purpose, actually. Life just is. |
| 00:26.54 | luke-jr | pfft, no |
| 00:28.46 | mwester | "there is no dark side of the Moon really... as a matter of fact it's all dark" |
| 00:29.04 | SpeedEvil | There is a dark side of the moon |
| 00:30.02 | larsc | there is no side of the moon |
| 00:30.38 | luke-jr | lol |
| 00:32.03 | SpeedEvil | See http://diviner.ucla.edu/ for more details |
| 00:32.03 | SpeedEvil | (specifically, the bits that are at 40K are always dark) |
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| 00:33.29 | SpeedEvil | I was surprised that some bits are as far south as 15 degrees from the pole |
| 00:34.40 | SpeedEvil | 90%++ of patents should be set on fire. |
| 00:34.48 | SpeedEvil | And 80%+ of patentors. |
| 00:38.05 | luke-jr | I thought you said 90%++ of patients... |
| 00:39.03 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: come play Yandere in #anime :p |
| 00:39.12 | luke-jr | mwester and larsc too |
| 00:40.11 | SpeedEvil | no, I need to go to sleep. |
| 00:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | and I read "no, I need no sleep" as that's probably what I expected to read |
| 00:42.53 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer come play! |
| 00:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | to involved in my own silly thoughts ;-) |
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| 07:09.33 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: (knows even less) how do you tell? |
| 07:10.25 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: and btw it's not supposed that a 7-8 years old really understands life. |
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| 07:24.07 | beer1 | morning |
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| 07:33.01 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: ? |
| 07:33.28 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: you tell that the quote author "understands life even less than the school" |
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| 07:34.19 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: because life is not in the least about happiness |
| 07:34.30 | luke-jr | not strictly about "work" either, but work is a lot closer |
| 07:35.14 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: so do you want to be an engineer or do you want to be happy? |
| 07:35.37 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: irrelevant. life isn't about what I want. |
| 07:37.18 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: in the original quote the author was asked "what he _wanted_ to be". |
| 07:37.45 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: do you think that people who think tha a boy should want to be an engineer rather than happy understand the life? |
| 07:38.30 | luke-jr | :) |
| 07:38.58 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: i see this quote as strictly anti-consumerism manifistation. |
| 07:39.49 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: and if you're pro-consumerism, if you agree with the way western society lives currently, well, no wonder we do not agree about the life. |
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| 07:41.48 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: it's natural for a man to strive for happiness and if he declares this goal openly, at least that's honest. |
| 07:43.04 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: if he's not really religios of course. Because that's completely different topic. |
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| 08:12.54 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: I am certainly anti-naturalist. :) |
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| 16:12.24 | ftn | Howdy. I'm trying to maximize a window in python- elementary but win.fullscreen_set(True) doesn't seem to work. Do you know how can I get it? pls |
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| 16:48.41 | skhme | Is distro-hopping discouraged somehow? |
| 16:49.13 | skhme | From a "just got my Openmoko" kind of view. |
| 16:49.46 | luke-jr | wtf? |
| 16:51.10 | skhme | Could be a 2 flashes in a week break your system type of bug! The hell do I know.. |
| 16:52.36 | luke-jr | skhme: that would be insane |
| 16:53.33 | slaxxer | i flash 2 times a week |
| 16:53.59 | slaxxer | except while android was on it |
| 16:54.10 | Weiss | flashes the kernel about 15 times a night :o |
| 16:54.12 | skhme | Yes it would.. |
| 16:54.24 | slaxxer | android stayed on 2 weeks untill i got bored |
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| 16:55.57 | skhme | Is Qt Extended Improved still the "most ready" distro? |
| 16:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | Weiss: so I assume you're not using dfu-util then? ;-P |
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| 17:14.04 | Weiss | DocScrutinizer: actually I am.. haven't had any problems other than it taking two attempts most times |
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| 17:16.24 | sybren | hey folks |
| 17:16.31 | sybren | how's the new SHR image coming along? |
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| 18:32.53 | playya | mickey|zzZZzz, hast du den link zu dem gesamt diagramm bekommen? |
| 18:33.03 | alabd | Good day everyone , do you now FR price of taiwan distributor |
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| 18:35.14 | playya | oh. wrong channel. sorry |
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| 18:41.52 | alabd | Good day everyone , do you now FR price of taiwan distrbutor |
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| 18:49.50 | playya | just wait or google it ;) |
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| 19:03.24 | PBeck | hi |
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| 19:10.00 | alabd | Good day everyone , do you now FR price of taiwan distirbutor |
| 19:11.00 | lindi- | alabd: please don't repeat the same question |
| 19:11.34 | alabd | that is repeated for new logged in users ... |
| 19:11.38 | lindi- | alabd: irc does not work that way :) |
| 19:12.17 | lindi- | alabd: just send mail to the distributor |
| 19:12.20 | alabd | what do you mean ? |
| 19:12.26 | alabd | mail is not answered |
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| 19:12.44 | lindi- | alabd: imagine if everyone sent message to IRC every 10-15 minutes |
| 19:14.09 | alabd | so what will happend ? |
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| 19:16.15 | lindi- | alabd: well we get a message every 10 seconds :) |
| 19:17.18 | alabd | no be sure there is alittle questions that will not been answered for an hour |
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| 19:20.49 | skhme | Irc usually works that way. |
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| 19:51.29 | pbaxter | is someone here using angstrom distribution? |
| 19:51.52 | max_posedon | all shr users |
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| 20:00.54 | pbaxter | max_posedon: what you mean with all SHR user? |
| 20:01.06 | pbaxter | max_posedon: shr is not based on angstrom or yes? |
| 20:02.04 | max_posedon | false, its based on angstorm |
| 20:03.31 | pbaxter | max_posedon: i didn't know |
| 20:03.35 | pbaxter | max_posedon: thanks |
| 20:03.43 | pbaxter | max_posedon: and which distro are you using? |
| 20:03.55 | max_posedon | SHR and Gentoo |
| 20:04.22 | pbaxter | max_posedon: and gentoo is it working as daily? |
| 20:04.28 | pbaxter | or is shr working as daily? |
| 20:04.58 | max_posedon | shr as daily |
| 20:05.18 | pbaxter | the old unstable or the mrmoku one? |
| 20:07.45 | max_posedon | mrmoku/oemerge |
| 20:07.53 | max_posedon | I even call it mrmoku/not-working) |
| 20:08.27 | pbaxter | the 10 november one? |
| 20:08.38 | pbaxter | max_posedon: don't you think shr is quite slow? |
| 20:09.23 | max_posedon | nope. I don't |
| 20:09.29 | max_posedon | actually, I don't care |
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| 20:10.35 | pbaxter | max_posedon: ok thanks |
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| 20:31.00 | ftn | Howdy. I'm trying to maximize a window in python- elementary but win.fullscreen_set(True) doesn't seem to work. Do you know how can I get it? pls |
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| 20:47.08 | *** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* || |
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| 21:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | Weiss: aah, sorry. Missed the kernel part. For 30 flashes of rootfs I guess a whole day isn't long enough :-) |
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| 21:25.55 | max_posedon | 30 kernel flashes? dfu-day?!) |
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| 22:39.53 | slaxxer | an some qtmoko users |
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| 22:42.40 | skhme | On freerunner, if the phone is on a table but you apply pressure on it, would the accelerometer react despite the equal counter-pressure? |
| 22:44.18 | lindi- | skhme: huh? |
| 22:44.59 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:45.21 | SpeedEvil | if the phone does not change position or orientation, there is no output |
| 22:45.57 | skhme | Hm, okay. Thanks. |
| 22:46.21 | mjr | they are accelerometers |
| 22:46.28 | mjr | it needs to be, well, accelerating somewhere |
| 22:49.40 | skhme | So if you wanted to get the pressure you'd have to place it on soft surface (with a known density/substance to count the force needed to push move it), then count it out to get the pressure. |
| 22:49.58 | skhme | Or well, use freefall. |
| 22:51.59 | lindi- | skhme: the touschreen detects pressure? |
| 22:53.04 | SpeedEvil | skhme: that would work with ideal accellerometers. |
| 22:53.21 | SpeedEvil | skhme: unfortunately, the accelerometers in the FR are far from ideal. |
| 22:53.44 | SpeedEvil | You - generally - can't usefully use them for more than orientation. |
| 22:53.55 | SpeedEvil | Or detecting taps on the case |
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| 22:54.33 | SpeedEvil | Integrating the accelleration twice to get the position will almost always be useless |
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| 22:57.45 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: could you use them to detect hollow areas in walls? |
| 22:57.55 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 22:58.05 | SpeedEvil | Throw FR _really_ hard at wall. |
| 22:58.10 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: there's the vibrator |
| 22:58.15 | SpeedEvil | If it goes through, you've found a hollow spot |
| 22:58.20 | lindi- | you can use accelerometers to measure the response |
| 22:58.35 | lindi- | the accelerometers can even detect the vibration caused by the speaker |
| 22:58.36 | SpeedEvil | Umm. In principle yes, with ideal accels. |
| 22:58.52 | SpeedEvil | I'd want to actually try it to see if it works at all |
| 22:59.07 | lindi- | some sort of UI to display accelerometer data in realtime is needed |
| 22:59.17 | lindi- | not sure what it should do |
| 23:00.08 | SpeedEvil | triaxial FFT, ... |
| 23:00.41 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: if you just have constant frequency in the vibrator you don't need FFT |
| 23:00.42 | skhme | How well does the touchscreen sense pressure then? I've been thinking it's closer to an on/off accuracy. |
| 23:01.05 | lindi- | skhme: start by reading the datasheet :) |
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| 23:02.07 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: Sure - but harmonics may be useful |
| 23:03.25 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: 1) measure baseline for 15 seconds 2) start logging data 3) start vibrator for some frequency and some duration 4) stop logging data 5) remove graviton from logged data based on baseline |
| 23:04.26 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: then you could display all axes as separate plots and run FFT for each axis separately? |
| 23:05.12 | skhme | I can't find but the driver source :/ |
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| 23:08.47 | SpeedEvil | 9.1.1 OPEN-DRAIN CONFIGURATION |
| 23:08.47 | SpeedEvil | In addition to the PORT, LAT and TRIS registers for |
| 23:08.47 | SpeedEvil | data control, each port pin can also be individually con- |
| 23:08.47 | SpeedEvil | figured for either digital or open-drain output. This is |
| 23:08.47 | SpeedEvil | controlled by the Open-Drain Control register, ODCx, |
| 23:08.48 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:11.23 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: is there some simple python library for fft? |
| 23:13.44 | SpeedEvil | no clue. |
| 23:13.48 | SpeedEvil | Never used it. |
| 23:15.07 | skhme | http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t332426-fft-with-python.html |
| 23:15.12 | skhme | 5 years old though.. |
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