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| 00:57.54 | luke-jr | what is "Freerunner Basic"? |
| 01:02.14 | slaxxer | where u see that at? |
| 01:02.14 | max_posedon | huh? |
| 01:07.21 | slaxxer | earth to luke |
| 01:12.22 | luke-jr | slaxxer: don't wanna say? :/ |
| 01:13.56 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: nobody has an idea |
| 01:14.17 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: probably that's just some way some distributors call FR with no accessories. |
| 01:16.55 | luke-jr | does "Neo1973 Advanced" mean anything either? |
| 01:18.47 | luke-jr | did the 1973 work well for its specs? |
| 01:30.05 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: gta01==Nea1973 |
| 01:30.42 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: Advanced means that it's packaged with debug board, a screwdriver, guitar pick and a special case to carry all that stuff iirc. |
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| 01:54.51 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: guitar pick? srsly? wtf? :p |
| 01:55.23 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: handy for disassembling |
| 01:57.02 | luke-jr | lol |
| 01:57.16 | luke-jr | so is it usable? or is it buggy like Freerunner once was? |
| 01:57.41 | luke-jr | found one for sale, and the specs don't look *too* bad for my purpose |
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| 02:00.55 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: kinda usable |
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| 02:01.02 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: graphics is faster than on FR |
| 02:01.13 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: MP models can actually be used as a phone. |
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| 02:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: gta01 aka Neo 1973 was pedecessor (wtf aspell doesn't know this word :-/ ) of Freerunner, and it was a mere development version which for sure has some hw flaws |
| 02:01.28 | luke-jr | MP? |
| 02:01.32 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: battery lifetime is considerably worse |
| 02:01.51 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's "predecessor" |
| 02:02.02 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: it's predecessor :) |
| 02:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | arrrg |
| 02:02.06 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: are the hw flaws documented for v4? |
| 02:02.16 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: gta01v4? |
| 02:02.20 | luke-jr | err Bv4 |
| 02:02.21 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: or gta01Bv4? |
| 02:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol, yes n schematics |
| 02:03.13 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 02:03.13 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: all the flaws are there to see :) |
| 02:03.25 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 02:03.34 | luke-jr | so not documented as in "what effect it has"? |
| 02:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | studying the schematics you'll find it has e.g. no way to reliably shutdown GSM |
| 02:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | except removing bat :-P |
| 02:04.16 | luke-jr | ok, that isn't a bug that affects real-world use afaik |
| 02:04.26 | luke-jr | maybe battery life when you're on a plane |
| 02:04.28 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: btw, it's now obvious for me that pcf50606 won't allow to charge foreign batteries in a comfortable way ever :( |
| 02:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | haha, depends |
| 02:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ^^ see PaulFertser for another flaw |
| 02:05.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: because charge current limit is the same as usb current limit basically, there's only one current sensor in there. |
| 02:05.33 | luke-jr | O.o? |
| 02:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: well possibly the case, yes |
| 02:05.56 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: so even if one enables 200mA charge current, he probably needs to at least suspend the device so it'll be reasonable enough. |
| 02:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 02:06.12 | PaulFertser | Because charging with ~40mA is uber-slow :) |
| 02:06.22 | luke-jr | anything that would stop my technically literate wife from using it to make/receive calls on a regular basis? :p |
| 02:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 02:06.40 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: so i'd recommend to just change 10k R to be ~70k to conform to bl-5c specs. |
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| 02:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | ack #2 |
| 02:06.57 | luke-jr | eg, provided I do the software bits |
| 02:07.28 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: hm... it doesn't last long on battery. |
| 02:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nah, basically gta01 is a better device than gta02 :-P |
| 02:07.52 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ?!?! |
| 02:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. it has *faster* graphics |
| 02:08.18 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: as in, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, 2 hours? |
| 02:09.09 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: 4 hours running with backlight on. ~30 hrs suspended. |
| 02:09.18 | luke-jr | suspended can receive calls? |
| 02:09.29 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: MP models yes |
| 02:09.34 | luke-jr | wtf is MP? |
| 02:09.38 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: mass production |
| 02:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | sure, otherwise it would be called "off" XD |
| 02:09.40 | PaulFertser | mass produced |
| 02:09.52 | luke-jr | I see, which is anything advertised as "Neo1973 Advanced"? :) |
| 02:10.06 | PaulFertser | I guess so |
| 02:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | no, that's not related I guess |
| 02:10.16 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: classical Linux "suspend" means off plus instant on |
| 02:10.28 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: same here, it resumes on irq from gsm |
| 02:10.45 | luke-jr | ah right, gsm is another CPU ;) |
| 02:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 02:10.53 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: also gta01 lacks NOR so it can be put to a state where you can't boot it without debug board. |
| 02:11.13 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: O.o |
| 02:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | aka brick it |
| 02:11.29 | luke-jr | I don't get the NOR connection |
| 02:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | NOR is your "recovery BIOS" |
| 02:11.54 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: gta02 has NOR that can't be written without tricks. Even if you hose your BL in NAND you can boot from BL from NOR. |
| 02:12.07 | luke-jr | oh |
| 02:12.19 | luke-jr | so basically it's an anti-brick backup |
| 02:12.33 | luke-jr | not something that will be a problem in regular use :) |
| 02:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | for normal use differences are quite minimal |
| 02:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | gta01 has no WiFi |
| 02:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | and it has less storage builtin |
| 02:14.55 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: and is a second-class citizen in the community because not many devs have it :-/ |
| 02:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | and it reliably *won't* boot with flat bat :-P |
| 02:16.05 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not even w/ dev board? <.< |
| 02:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | which you'll achieve easily as Modem won't shut down |
| 02:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | not even with debbo |
| 02:16.25 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 02:16.33 | luke-jr | perm brick unless it's kept on charger? |
| 02:16.56 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i've just prepared a qi version for gta01 which enables fast charge unconditionally on init :D |
| 02:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | nope you "just" need to take care not to deplete bat completely |
| 02:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | or get an external charger |
| 02:17.35 | luke-jr | seriously, there is no way to recover? |
| 02:17.40 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: you can charge its battery with any dumb nokia charger or you can boot gta01 with any nokia bl-5c battery |
| 02:17.47 | luke-jr | ah |
| 02:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I think it will motoboat nevertheless |
| 02:17.57 | PaulFertser | Though hot-swapping batteries on gta01 is prohibited. |
| 02:18.15 | luke-jr | I think if it's flat, hot-swapping is not happening :p |
| 02:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | ABSOLUTELY |
| 02:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | prohibited |
| 02:18.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: well, folks who use gta01 daily (pyneo guys) usually can't boot fully with a flat bat but at least BL works, so if the fast charge is enabled they should be able to. |
| 02:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | you NEVER remove bat from a powered device |
| 02:19.10 | PaulFertser | Unless the device is not gta01 |
| 02:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 02:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I think Vsys brownout on gta01 will happen even before BL gets a chance to execute a single opcode |
| 02:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | so a really depleted bat won't boot the device |
| 02:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | thus it never will get charged again |
| 02:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | if you're unlucky with PMU reg settings |
| 02:22.45 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: a really depleted indeed won't allow to boot but luckily in RL it's not usually the case. |
| 02:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | that's the crux of "don't boot on flat bat" issue |
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| 02:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | everything else is "Kindergarden" |
| 02:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 02:25.12 | Snyfer | Hello guys, sorry if I interrupt you... I'm stuck with something, I'm trying a gentoo on my brand new freerunner, but at boot the kernel hangs at "Freeing init memory" right after mouting the rootfs... The kernel is not crashed, if I push the power button a message is printed saying that I did so, and if I wait enough (say 5minutes) a prompt arrive from nowhere |
| 02:26.06 | Snyfer | I've seen some similar problem on the freerunner when googling for it, but none has the answer on how to fix, do you anything about it ? |
| 02:28.43 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: looks like your init takes too long. |
| 02:29.18 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: with default Qi config you do not get any messages from userland on LCD. |
| 02:30.08 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: I've append loglevel=8 |
| 02:30.17 | Snyfer | I like seeing it booting |
| 02:31.57 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: yes, so you see kernel messages |
| 02:32.04 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: but not the messages from rc scripts |
| 02:32.05 | Snyfer | yes I do |
| 02:32.10 | Snyfer | ooh ok |
| 02:32.46 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: is that documented on the wiki page ? I haven't red about it |
| 02:33.05 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: probably console=tty0 should come first in the kernel arguments |
| 02:33.14 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: i'm afraid it's not |
| 02:33.32 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ookayy, thank you i'm giving it a try |
| 02:34.11 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: it seems you always have the answer... I'm stuck since hours with this thing :) |
| 02:34.53 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: (always have the answer) if only that was true... |
| 02:35.18 | Snyfer | at least for my own problems :) |
| 02:35.21 | PaulFertser | I just seem to have lots of spare time to chat on irc and yet no time to do real things. |
| 02:35.25 | Snyfer | and that's all I need ;) |
| 02:35.49 | Snyfer | so get out, breath some fresh air |
| 02:35.50 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: you're lucky i'm not asleep :) |
| 02:36.01 | PaulFertser | 5:30am here |
| 02:36.08 | Snyfer | what time is it at your place ? |
| 02:36.26 | Snyfer | already awake or still awake ? |
| 02:39.20 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: already. Got tired after coming home from work and fell asleep at 8pm :D |
| 02:39.38 | Snyfer | wowo I see |
| 02:40.05 | Snyfer | here it's 3:40am and i don't wanna go sleep till gentoo boots :) |
| 02:40.41 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: you say a prompt arrives so it means it boots |
| 02:41.19 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok I mean, till I don't see those wonderfull openrc line where it's written OK in green :) |
| 02:42.59 | Snyfer | putting console=tty0 as the first parameter in append-GTA02 file didn't make it :( |
| 02:43.13 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: sure |
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| 02:43.33 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: you need to recompile Qi i'm afraid. Or let me try to understand kernel docs about the console parameter |
| 02:44.05 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: Don't worry I'll take a look at it |
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| 02:46.23 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: hm, console=tty0 comes first already... |
| 02:46.31 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: erf :s |
| 02:46.32 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: probably it should come last then :) |
| 02:47.34 | Snyfer | according to this doc http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/topic/com.fultus.linux.howtos/howtos/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/configure-kernel.html the order doesn't really matter, there should not be to console referencing the same type of tty, for example one for a serial tty, one for a virtual one and one for a usb one |
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| 02:47.54 | slaxxer | PaulFerster whats the news with gta02-core? |
| 02:48.12 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: for kernel messages it doesn't matter. But only one device can become /dev/console after boot |
| 02:49.06 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok, so you want me to try with console=tty0 ate the end of the parameters, right ? |
| 02:49.17 | luke-jr | what is OpenMoko doing now that they've out with the crappy Wikireader? |
| 02:49.41 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: i'm not sure it'll really help since console=tty0 is hardcoded in the parameters of Qi and comes first. |
| 02:50.31 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: okay |
| 02:50.57 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: http://forum.soft32.com/linux/kernel-messages-multiple-VGA-serial-consoles-ftopict440064.html |
| 02:51.49 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: is it easy for you to recompile Qi? |
| 02:52.34 | darmou | Wikireader, what a joke lol |
| 02:52.56 | PaulFertser | darmou: somehow it sells and that's what matters |
| 02:53.24 | darmou | PaulFertser: hopefully it will allow them to develop other products if there is money coming in |
| 02:53.35 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: yep no problem I've cloned the repository |
| 02:56.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/11/9/449 |
| 02:56.46 | PaulFertser | Slowly but steadily we push stuff upstream :) |
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| 03:03.33 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: that is more than mere monitoring? |
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| 03:06.04 | slaxxer | i hope they have to make more |
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| 03:09.36 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: linux battery subsystem is only for monitoring |
| 03:10.15 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 03:10.46 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: but one can add custom sysfs attributes to drivers itself, so e.g. you can control charge current on gta02 that way. |
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| 03:11.30 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 03:28.46 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: it seems I talk too fast, getting issues compiling the modified version of Qi... i've modified the config.mk to compile it on my pc, but "/armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-ld: crtbeginS.o: No such file: No such file or directory" |
| 03:29.06 | Snyfer | wich is weird becquse it is present and in the right place |
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| 03:37.52 | Snyfer | will check this tomorow i'm going to bed |
| 03:38.02 | Snyfer | thank you for your help PaulFertser and have a nice day |
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| 10:25.28 | ftn | Hi there. Do you know of any documentation where one can get information of how "size_hint_weight_set" and "size_hint_align_set" should be used in python elementary? pls |
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| 12:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: nice :-) |
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| 12:42.48 | Jorek_ | Is there known problem to send large SMS's? Like over 160 chars. |
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| 15:29.22 | Jorek | Is it possible to send SMS longer than 160 chars? |
| 15:30.21 | pbaxter | Jorek: it depends on teh distro but i don't know which one works well |
| 15:35.43 | Jorek | pbaxter: I'm using SHR |
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| 15:37.34 | pbaxter | Jorek: i don't know |
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| 16:10.06 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf334b9c9510d 10/libfsobasics/ (5 files in 4 dirs): libfsobasics: remove Network function; enable backtrace and require Vala 0.7.8.1 |
| 16:10.07 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r941d585d7f15 10/fsonetworkd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:10.07 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: fsonetworkd: use new function to gather ip address based on libnl |
| 16:10.07 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: We now require Vala 0.7.8.1 which comes with proper libnl-2.0 bindings |
| 16:10.09 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r671d1676d44a 10/libfsotransport/ (configure.ac fsotransport/socket.vala vapi/posixextra.vapi): |
| 16:10.12 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: reduce posixextra.vapi to match upstream additions |
| 16:10.14 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: We require Vala 0.7.8.1 now |
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| 16:47.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ricardo.salveti 07python-helpers * r63b1dff1bc8a 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: |
| 16:47.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: mdbus: moving c.callMethod out of the while block |
| 16:47.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Otherwise we're unable to give more than one parameter to the dbus |
| 16:47.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: method. |
| 16:47.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Ricardo Salveti <ricardo.salveti@openbossa.org> |
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| 17:05.27 | Zeti | good evening folks |
| 17:05.56 | Zeti | I just saw an interesting vid on youtube where the screen swaps automatically using the motion sensors |
| 17:06.02 | Zeti | anything like that possible with shr? |
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| 17:40.24 | wurp2|lazy | Zeti2: Very possible - it would be an easy python script using the framework |
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| 17:52.26 | Gabrys | Zeti: search for omnewrotate on opkg.org |
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| 17:55.59 | Zeti4 | thx Gabrys |
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| 18:36.46 | lkcl | hi folks - just wanted people to know that a successful preliminary test has been carried out (libldo) of an openmoko with a UD-160-A USB Docking station: http://plugable.com/products/ud-160-a/ |
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| 18:37.35 | lkcl | the upshot is that with this device, it looks like it's going to be possible to turn an openmoko (or any other smartphone / embedded ARM device) into a fully-functioning (albeit slow) desktop PC. |
| 18:38.47 | lkcl | will have more results later: phil hands is recompiling the linux kernel actually on the phone (debian-arm) in order to get the missing headers that the debian-arm/moko maintainers ommitted |
| 18:39.14 | lkcl | that will allow the xf86-displaylink driver to actually, like... work, and then things like firefox and xine can be tested. |
| 18:39.23 | lkcl | just fyi :) |
| 18:39.48 | max_posedon | wow, interesting device, whant it for my sheevaplug |
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| 18:41.09 | PaulFertser | lkcl: usb1.0 is slow :( |
| 18:41.42 | lkcl | yes, very. $90 or so. 4x USB-2, DVI/VGA, a USB Ethernet and AC97 USB audio. |
| 18:42.00 | max_posedon | yes, I'm not sure, how neo with usb1.1 will work with it |
| 18:42.34 | lkcl | PaulFertser: yes it is, but the compression ratio achieved by the DisplayLink protocol is good enough so that you can comfortably fit *four* DisplayLink devices onto a single USB-2 bus. |
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| 18:43.13 | lkcl | so, 480mb/sec / 4 = 120 mb/sec - and USB1 is what 11, so that's only one order of magnitude out. |
| 18:43.18 | PaulFertser | lkcl: btw, obtaining headers for userspace doesn't need recompiling a kernel, just "make headers_install" is enough. |
| 18:43.36 | SpeedEvil | Some of the displaylink stuff does actively not work with 1.1 |
| 18:43.37 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 18:43.46 | SpeedEvil | In that it simply refuses |
| 18:44.08 | lkcl | PaulFertser: thanks, i'll pass that on to phil. i'm sure he _ought_ to know :) |
| 18:45.16 | max_posedon | lkcl, didn't you try other devices? |
| 18:45.18 | lkcl | SpeedEvil: well, we're about to find out :) the tests passed, at least. |
| 18:45.23 | max_posedon | e.g. does all drivers opensource? |
| 18:45.48 | SpeedEvil | lkcl: tests pass - do you mean it shows a picture? |
| 18:45.51 | max_posedon | because its must have feature for attaching it to my farm |
| 18:45.53 | lkcl | max_posedon: not yet. i've got a DoubleSight DS-90U arriving soon, and an IGEP-v2 (beagle-board-like) |
| 18:46.21 | lkcl | SpeedEvil: libldo has a test suite. uploads images, does some blits etc. |
| 18:46.30 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 18:46.41 | lkcl | max_posedon: all source code here http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 18:46.55 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it works with 1.5mbit |
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| 18:47.20 | max_posedon | SpeedEvil, result also depends on resolution |
| 18:47.35 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: Neglecting speed of course. |
| 18:47.43 | lkcl | the xf86-displaylink driver has to work in tandem with the displaylink_mod kernel driver. phil's got the xf86 driver done: it's just the kernel driver that's meh. |
| 18:48.25 | max_posedon | lkcl, about `all drivers` I mean all drivers, not x86 only |
| 18:48.41 | max_posedon | sound card, ethernet all parts is important |
| 18:49.00 | max_posedon | e.g. pleasy notify me, when you will done all tests |
| 18:49.03 | luke-jr | xf86? not xorg? |
| 18:49.04 | lkcl | max_posedon: you mean the -- oh, yes, those are recognised straight away. 1sec while i look in syslog i connected it to my laptop a few days ago |
| 18:49.05 | max_posedon | very interesting |
| 18:49.18 | lkcl | luke-jr: it's called xf86 but it's actually xorg :) |
| 18:49.39 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 18:50.34 | PaulFertser | lkcl: why can't he cross-compile the kernel then? (not that i want to seem smart or picky or anything but it's just too interesting to resist asking). |
| 18:51.35 | lkcl | PaulFertser: phil's not _that_ experienced at embedded development :) he's fine with debian kernel builds, but cross-compiling he's not done before. |
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| 18:52.06 | larsc | i would like to see the opposite using the moko as an external usb display |
| 18:52.42 | SpeedEvil | gadget-displaylink |
| 18:52.49 | larsc | yes |
| 18:52.50 | SpeedEvil | Would be cool |
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| 18:53.12 | PaulFertser | lkcl: ah, crosscompiling a kernel is really trivial. Just emdebian to install any arm toolchain (even armv5 is ok) and then CROSS_COMPILE=arm-blablabla- make |
| 18:53.50 | luke-jr | larsc: easy. |
| 18:54.06 | luke-jr | larsc: ssh moko -A ssh back -Y |
| 18:54.07 | luke-jr | :p |
| 18:54.44 | larsc | luke-jr: not what i want |
| 18:54.55 | max_posedon | eh, exactly, looks like X the best protocol for go through usb-1.1 |
| 18:54.57 | max_posedon | isn't it? |
| 18:55.32 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: probably nx is better? |
| 18:57.18 | max_posedon | its still X isn't it?) just wrapped ( It wraps remote connections in SSH sessions for encryption and authentication security. ), so very similar to ssh -C -X |
| 18:57.42 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i guess it adds much more: considerably lower bandwidth requirements. |
| 18:58.26 | max_posedon | ok, I'll just thinking about comparing it with displaysink |
| 18:59.17 | UberNeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.40 | SpeedEvil | dxpc is OK |
| 19:00.47 | SpeedEvil | differential X protocol Compressor |
| 19:00.51 | lkcl | max_posedon: sorry i was trying to find evidence of the kernel modules that got loaded. they were standard free software modules: the AC97 USB Audio got recognised, loaded, bam, fine; the USB 10/100 Ethernet waaas... ah! asix. |
| 19:00.51 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: no idea on NX as a protocol, but the software SUCKS |
| 19:00.52 | SpeedEvil | worked last time I tried it. |
| 19:00.56 | SpeedEvil | Though that was some time ago |
| 19:01.02 | luke-jr | X works fine when there's bandwidth available |
| 19:01.11 | lkcl | 2.6.30-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/usb/asix.ko |
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| 19:02.35 | max_posedon | ok, nice |
| 19:02.58 | max_posedon | good cristmas gift for me) |
| 19:03.51 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: don't you have enough already? ;) |
| 19:04.32 | max_posedon | you know, I always want more |
| 19:04.34 | lkcl | i perhaps shouldn't mention the DS-90U 9in USB-powered 1024x600 screen, then? |
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| 19:04.48 | lkcl | ha ha |
| 19:05.07 | lkcl | same chipset - although i haven't tested it yet (it's hopefully arriving tomorrow) |
| 19:05.28 | max_posedon | tomorrow will get my wikireader, so.. good days for me) |
| 19:05.58 | lkcl | max_posedon: that's supposed to be hackable, isn't it? |
| 19:06.20 | SpeedEvil | maxto a limited degree - you're not gonna be running openoffice on it. |
| 19:06.54 | lkcl | :) |
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| 19:07.00 | max_posedon | SpeedEvil, hm... I'm not sure) |
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| 19:07.24 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: I will pay a small amount of money to see openoffice running natively on that processor :) |
| 19:08.03 | max_posedon | I saw OOo-2.0rc1 on 40Mhz laptop with 16Mb ram |
| 19:08.18 | max_posedon | after this, I belive in programmers) |
| 19:08.36 | lkcl | btw have people heard of "comp swap"? compressed-in-RAM swap? |
| 19:08.43 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: yes - IIRC the wikireader has - I think 120K of RAM. |
| 19:08.58 | SpeedEvil | lkcl: I lost the link, tehre are more funky attempts than that going on |
| 19:09.11 | SpeedEvil | lkcl: for example, compressing page differences |
| 19:09.33 | SpeedEvil | lkcl: So you have the option of not simply a compressed page - but a diff on a page against another page in RAM |
| 19:09.37 | lkcl | SpeedEvil: ha ha o no that doesn't sound like it... ok, that could aaall go hoooribly wrong |
| 19:09.38 | max_posedon | SpeedEvil, really? thats bad, because cpu allows upto 32Mb |
| 19:09.49 | max_posedon | where you find info about this? |
| 19:09.51 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: I haven't lookec closely at hw |
| 19:09.58 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: I may have misremembered. |
| 19:10.13 | SpeedEvil | lkcl: Apparently it worked quite well when tried. |
| 19:10.31 | lkcl | SpeedEvil: very cool indeed. |
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| 19:11.15 | SpeedEvil | lkcl: So you have some normal pages, some pages that are duplicated, and copy-on-write'd merged, some pages that are diffs from other in-ram pages, and some which are compressed - in RAM or on disk |
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| 20:12.50 | slaxxer | settings is faster an gsm is off by default in todays oemerge br mrmoko |
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| 20:23.26 | pbaxter | slaxxer: SHR? |
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| 20:38.23 | slaxxer | yes |
| 20:38.39 | slaxxer | so far even wifi works |
| 20:39.23 | luke-jr | ... is that a surprise? |
| 20:39.29 | slaxxer | welp suspend borked |
| 20:40.02 | slaxxer | reboot |
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| 21:18.02 | PaulFertser | ``When I was 5 years old, my mom always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ``happy.'' They told me I didn't understand the assignment and I told them they didn't understand life.'' |
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| 22:04.23 | slaxxer | :) |
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| 22:43.46 | spydon | does the grafic and SD card stuff share the same bus in the freerunner? |
| 22:46.19 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:50.27 | mwester | A fabulous design, indeed! |
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