| 00:03.23 | Gabrys | frameworkd crashes :( |
| 00:03.49 | Gabrys | http://pastebin.com/m4fe36fcb |
| 00:04.06 | Gabrys | I'd better go back to the "unstable" SHR :( |
| 00:06.10 | Gabrys | also I have no phonefsod in PATH |
| 00:06.31 | max_posedon | looks like you flashed not mrmoku/oemerge |
| 00:06.42 | max_posedon | and under phonefsod I mean /etc/init.d/phonefsod |
| 00:06.56 | max_posedon | as for trace... its bad |
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| 00:06.59 | max_posedon | can't help) |
| 00:07.22 | Gabrys | I flashed images from 12 Oct from here http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 00:08.16 | max_posedon | http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ |
| 00:08.18 | max_posedon | try this one |
| 00:08.30 | max_posedon | and when you will have issue, you can try that commands |
| 00:09.01 | Gabrys | ok, let's try |
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| 00:38.26 | kW | Hello... does anybody have problems with his freerunner real time clock (e.g. the clock is too slow)? |
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| 01:37.01 | Snyfer | gcconfig -l |
| 01:59.06 | Psi_ | the #1024 fix capacitor is across 3.3v, correct? |
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| 03:31.22 | rooly | so |
| 03:31.30 | rooly | android gracefully handles push imap and push twitter |
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| 04:42.48 | slaxxer | got an interesting email today |
| 04:43.10 | ndnihil | some guy in nigeria wants to send you money? |
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| 04:45.37 | slaxxer | no but my neighbor wont let that go Haaaaa |
| 04:46.32 | slaxxer | someone at armdslack id interested in the moko project |
| 04:54.11 | ndnihil | they going to package up a filesystem for it? |
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| 05:42.13 | luke-jr | if a used Freerunner was bought in 2008, what generation is that? |
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| 06:13.24 | slaxxer | v5 prolly |
| 06:13.51 | slaxxer | usa? |
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| 07:05.51 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: it's easy to tell exactly the revision if you have the device running. |
| 07:05.58 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: just cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:06.27 | PaulFertser | Psi_: iirc yes |
| 07:09.22 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: Freerunner lacks a keyboard. I'm not sure how practical it is to ask someone selling via ebay to run that. |
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| 07:09.54 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: perfectly is |
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| 07:10.29 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: if he bought it in the first place it's assumed he has some basic gnu/linux knowledge. It's easy to start a terminal and type a simple command, especially provided path completion is working. |
| 07:10.42 | beer | morning |
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| 07:48.52 | Psi_ | PaulFertser: thanks |
| 07:50.45 | PaulFertser | Psi_: i can tell you the exact PN i used |
| 07:51.40 | Psi_ | its 10uf 10V |
| 07:51.43 | Psi_ | the one in there |
| 07:51.45 | PaulFertser | X5R 20% 6.3Ð 0805 |
| 07:51.49 | PaulFertser | 22uF |
| 07:51.54 | PaulFertser | Is the one i changed it too. |
| 07:52.06 | PaulFertser | s/too/to/ |
| 07:52.30 | Psi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.44 | PaulFertser | GRM21BR60J226M, murata |
| 07:52.46 | Psi_ | wanted to check 6.3V was fine, which it is |
| 07:53.10 | PaulFertser | Psi_: i guess parallel mounting is even easier than replacing so it's a good choice :) |
| 07:53.16 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 07:53.29 | Psi_ | apparently the c1009 on gta01 is glued down really well |
| 07:53.36 | Psi_ | harder to get off than gta02 |
| 07:58.36 | PaulFertser | Psi_: yep. Have you actually tried? ;) |
| 08:01.01 | Psi_ | na, was just reading about it |
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| 11:54.58 | alabd | Does A7 have just a fix more than A6 ? |
| 11:56.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc the last two hardware fixes were buzz fix and gps fix. |
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| 11:57.17 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: gps fix is not essential and doesn't work that way. |
| 11:57.39 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: but yes, A7 has special pads so you can add hardware capacitor to every SD line. |
| 11:58.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: 'work that way'? |
| 11:59.27 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, the capacitors are not installed on a7 afaik because you can change drive strength in software with exactly the same outcome. |
| 12:00.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: hm, interesting to know. Wonder what hardware revision the FR with a cap is |
| 12:01.02 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: A6 |
| 12:01.22 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: but only one cap is not enough, one needs caps on all the lines. Or to alter drive strength. |
| 12:01.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | A02E |
| 12:02.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: weird. ok. guess the magic is being done in software (guess it also explains why the FR with no cap gets gps fix faster then the one with it) |
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| 12:03.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the info |
| 12:04.01 | PaulFertser | welcome |
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| 12:14.17 | PaulFertser | "A woman engineer is like a guinea pig - neither guinea nor pig". Do you agree? |
| 12:15.40 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 12:18.49 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: neither do i. |
| 12:19.46 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: but i'm yet to meet a single woman engineer. :( |
| 12:20.16 | PaulFertser | I mean i've never met any, not that i'm interested in single engineers. |
| 12:20.18 | PaulFertser | :) |
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| 14:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | A7 has 8 pairs of pads on base of uSD holder to place C there. PV preMP prototypes have 011100000 for populated Capacitors there (read left to right, when holding device USB connector facing upward) |
| 14:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | s/0 / / |
| 14:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | ok, there's a 9th pair of unused pads at the outer left, horizontal orientation. Can't tell off top of my head what that might be |
| 14:58.46 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i can reproduce the overheating bug with a usb-ethernet dongle |
| 14:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: please scratch the "over" part ;-) |
| 15:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: you seen my remarks wrt kernel should take action to shut down USB when /USB_OC trips? |
| 15:02.31 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: "should" as in "the code is there now"? |
| 15:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, "should" as in "it's mandatory, but we think it's not yet implemented" |
| 15:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ^^^ any details / news? |
| 15:04.19 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: now I can add "buy http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2797" to steps to reproduce :) |
| 15:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | nice. But who might be interested in doing that? ;-P |
| 15:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how the hell that tiny plastic toy can consume 2.5W without melting down to a blue blob |
| 15:09.37 | lindi- | don't ask me :) |
| 15:11.46 | lindi- | it seemed to have emptied the battery quite well too |
| 15:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: well, maybe L4901 is such a crappy Subaru choke (even probably), and if that choke eats >30% of the converter energy, that for sure would cause it to heat up (700mW!!) |
| 15:12.22 | lindi- | i don't have the wall charger now with me so i need to do some voodoo to make the phone boot :P |
| 15:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: (suck bat) no surprise. The bat has ~4Wh. If you ask it to supply ~3W for converter input, you likely won't see a batlife of >1h |
| 15:13.48 | lindi- | I should have used newer u-boot that lets me force 500 mA and turn the display off and wait in boot loader |
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| 15:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: even NOR uBoot does charge at reasonable rate (though you need to keep it alive by occasionally pressing the AUX button). After 5min you should have enough capacity in bat to boot |
| 15:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | (from arbitrary USB-charger that is. Not sure for USB-hosts) |
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| 15:36.19 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: what's reasonable rate? |
| 15:36.35 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and this is my laptop |
| 15:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: reasonable rate is "at least 100mA", which should suffice to recover a bat in max 10min |
| 15:38.06 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: 100 mA is not enough since the LCD backlight consumes more than that |
| 15:38.23 | lindi- | (combined with cpu) |
| 15:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, sorry seems my coffee didn't kick in today |
| 15:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | of course you're right - though I can't tell if it's maybe 500mA or even 1000mA |
| 15:39.35 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: it's 100 mA only :( |
| 15:39.54 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: since I have not flashed u-boot with support for forcing 500 mA |
| 15:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | so that's bad then (for NOR) |
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| 15:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: you should fix that annoyance of yours, by replacing the Vsys-buffer C by 100uF |
| 15:42.20 | lindi- | having "if [ $(energy) -lt 5 ]; then backlight 12; fi" in boot scripts might help :) |
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| 15:49.14 | lindi- | would be nice to know if the phone charges itself now that it is off :) |
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| 15:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | it didn't on my short test a few minutes ago |
| 15:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | for obscure reasons uBoot decided to disable charging when I selected "power down" |
| 15:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | the whole power management topic is so FUBAR due to all the senseless "fixes" for imaginary special cases... :-( |
| 15:54.02 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: "The following commands will add a boot menu entry that switches to fast charging and turns off the backlight: " |
| 15:54.08 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: -- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands |
| 15:54.35 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: any idea if that works for freerunner? |
| 15:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | another senseless fix for a bug introduced by another senseless fix |
| 15:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, sorry |
| 15:55.52 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i don't think turning backlight off is senseless |
| 15:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | but I really wonder what's the use of turning off the backlight via a menu you only can read when backlight is turned on |
| 15:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | pure nonsense |
| 15:57.16 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: you can hit aux six times :) |
| 15:57.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: no need to read anything on screen |
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| 15:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot should simply enable 100mA charge (i.e. set PMU to a sane state) and never revert that. Neither on "power down" nor any other occasion - except for detecting a even more powerfull charger source and pushing to 500 / 1000 |
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| 15:59.42 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: well those patches have been sent ages ago |
| 16:00.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but since this is NOR i don't have them :P |
| 16:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, current uBoot - on detecting weak bat - enteres a "no charge, blink AUX LED from (WEAK!!) bat" state which it never will leave :-/ |
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| 16:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that GREAT? |
| 16:01.51 | lindi- | depends on what current means, there's a set of patches waiting on mailing lists :) |
| 16:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | ok, wasn't aware of that |
| 16:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | last time I mentioned the issue, nobody cared |
| 16:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | so I didn't as well |
| 16:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | you see, EE finally managed to give semi-decent HW to community. If community decides to screw it up via SW, and then starts to whine about the "eeew so buggy HW" I just turn arounf and face other less annoying topics |
| 16:11.48 | SpeedEvil | 99% of the community think electrons are how leaders get chosen though. |
| 16:12.48 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: well I always cared but did not know enough to modify boot loaders back then :) |
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| 16:14.15 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and then came Qi :) |
| 16:14.38 | d1b | lindi-: you modify qi ? |
| 16:15.11 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: what hardware? |
| 16:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: huh? |
| 16:15.30 | lindi- | d1b: well it does not have a menu at all so no chance to select "force 500 mA" in it :) |
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| 16:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: I thought we are talking FR here |
| 16:16.54 | d1b | lindi-: :) |
| 16:17.01 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: sorry i wasn't sure who you meant by ee |
| 16:17.23 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: last time i asked the stupid question of why can't it even charge in suspend i was told the gsm module is stupid :) |
| 16:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | EE is my TPE located (ex) colleagues and me |
| 16:17.46 | d1b | ok. |
| 16:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | Electronic Engineering |
| 16:17.54 | d1b | AH. |
| 16:17.55 | d1b | sure. |
| 16:18.12 | d1b | the guys who make stuff :) |
| 16:19.05 | d1b | lindi-: are you able to keep an freerunner at around 90% charge if it is charging via wall / usb host... |
| 16:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: The question is nonsense, as it actually *is* charging during suspend, and the answer was complete random garbage |
| 16:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: you bet *lindi* is ;-P |
| 16:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | for the rest of us mortals, see Pauls&my "battery FAQ" in wiki |
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| 16:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: the PMU HW will keep the battery between ~75% and 100% without any SW interaction |
| 16:25.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: not yet, i think we can release the .31 and then think about the bugfixing. OTOH this particular problem seems to be requiring attention. Luckily we have it on trac already so we won't forget about it anyway. |
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| 16:27.00 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: oh really. |
| 16:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: if anybody cares he should do a test with defined load on USB-VBUS (e.g. a shunt), and actually confirm what's max output current, and which is the current when device starts to heat up |
| 16:27.42 | d1b | ok ill see the issue maybe. |
| 16:28.08 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i agree |
| 16:28.19 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.17 | slaxxer | i hope the nov 9 image is better that the nov 6 shr |
| 16:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: SHR? check settings-power to read out battery temperature. What you call hot should be less than 60° anyway |
| 16:30.30 | d1b | is it out ? |
| 16:30.40 | slaxxer | oemerge |
| 16:30.42 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: um probably less than 60 :) |
| 16:30.51 | d1b | slaxxer: like an image right? |
| 16:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's absolutely normal |
| 16:31.05 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 16:31.12 | d1b | slaxxer: oh. |
| 16:31.26 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: what wifi +battery <1 hour ? |
| 16:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 16:31.45 | d1b | i think not! |
| 16:31.52 | d1b | hopes |
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| 16:33.12 | d1b | was the 6th of nov image anygood ? |
| 16:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: check out the bq27k-detail script in my people folder |
| 16:33.16 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.24 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: url plz... |
| 16:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail |
| 16:34.18 | slaxxer | well nov 6 was cool looking but gsm was borked |
| 16:34.19 | d1b | i need bash right? |
| 16:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 16:34.33 | d1b | slaxxer: as in.. |
| 16:34.45 | d1b | so besides gsm borked what was different. |
| 16:35.22 | slaxxer | pengy boot splash slider controlls for mic and volume |
| 16:35.28 | d1b | ooooooooooo |
| 16:35.32 | d1b | perty |
| 16:36.11 | d1b | when is the next unstable release due... then |
| 16:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | today! always is "today" :-P |
| 16:36.39 | slaxxer | i hear very soon but u know how that goes |
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| 16:37.26 | slaxxer | maybe it will be an updated "testing" image buy i dought it |
| 16:37.37 | slaxxer | *but |
| 16:38.41 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: before or after you wake the guys who are trying to stupidly (like me!) use the device as a phone ;) |
| 16:39.10 | slaxxer | it works as a phonee |
| 16:39.32 | slaxxer | just not very well yet |
| 16:39.35 | d1b | if i had two sims cards one for the moko and one for another phone then yes! |
| 16:39.48 | d1b | alsa / audio has always *sucked* |
| 16:39.55 | slaxxer | why 2 sims? |
| 16:40.04 | d1b | slaxxer: one to fail at a phone the other for a phone |
| 16:40.13 | d1b | gprs and hacking is fine tho |
| 16:40.20 | d1b | just not for the phone part. |
| 16:40.20 | sicu | it's a multitasking object, mine also works nicely as a paperweight |
| 16:40.28 | d1b | slaxxer: hehehehe |
| 16:40.31 | d1b | erh sicu * |
| 16:40.55 | slaxxer | tired of paper weight mode |
| 16:41.22 | sicu | admittedly, said paperweight is also my daily phone ;) |
| 16:41.33 | slaxxer | what hardwar was android developed on? |
| 16:41.40 | slaxxer | &hardware |
| 16:41.56 | slaxxer | the moko? |
| 16:42.21 | slaxxer | i realize they are paid a google but DAMN |
| 16:42.54 | sicu | heh, that would've made it an easier job to port it to the moko, don't you think ;p |
| 16:43.14 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: where should i put the output ? |
| 16:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | the moko? |
| 16:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: which output? wher to put? |
| 16:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | bq27k? |
| 16:44.09 | slaxxer | booting |
| 16:44.18 | d1b | yep |
| 16:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | the devices are called Neo, not moko |
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| 16:44.48 | d1b | close enough :) |
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| 16:45.03 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: any ideas re my output tho |
| 16:45.10 | slaxxer | ok freerunner |
| 16:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: the output is meant to be read by you. if you think it should be scrutinized by me, use pastebin |
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| 16:45.44 | d1b | i did pastebin |
| 16:45.52 | d1b | http://pastebin.com/m2cefde0b |
| 16:46.20 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: can I force 500 mA by poking directly some memory mapped device? ;) |
| 16:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: your bat is 100% full, has 32°C, and is charging |
| 16:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: max current FR has drawn is ~2A what seems excessively high to me |
| 16:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | also capacity of cell is estimated as 886 mWh which seems rather odd |
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| 16:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: is that an old worn cell? |
| 16:52.20 | slaxxer | now theres 4 sliders on the call screen,,, 2 to mute an 2 to adjust |
| 16:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 16:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | 2 for mute seems rather exaggerated |
| 16:53.08 | slaxxer | speaker-mic |
| 16:53.21 | slaxxer | 1 for each |
| 16:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | quite reasonable usecase to mute earpiece while mic is open |
| 16:53.45 | slaxxer | gsm working:) |
| 16:53.47 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: tis old |
| 16:54.03 | d1b | slaxxer: so is good ? |
| 16:55.32 | alfatangoxt | is away: ................ |
| 16:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | (2 mute) that's the result of sw developers coding along API rather than usability considerations and use cases :-P |
| 16:55.55 | slaxxer | http://pastebin.com/m4c30d8b1 |
| 16:56.07 | slaxxer | d1b seems so |
| 16:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: sure, you can poke each PMU register the way you like |
| 16:56.44 | slaxxer | email from the armdslack people |
| 16:56.54 | Zeti | hello |
| 16:57.16 | Zeti | what's the lowest energy setting for the openmoko, while still recieving phone calls? |
| 16:57.19 | d1b | slaxxer: that guy is a bit silly ;) |
| 16:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: prolly via I2C interface |
| 16:57.23 | Zeti | I just tried suspend and nothing |
| 16:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: no memmap though |
| 16:58.01 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=commit;h=4ed6f14590c443f20c12b2f39ec0c14f0c41c0f8 |
| 16:58.17 | lindi- | Zeti: nothing? |
| 16:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | Zeti: standby |
| 16:58.43 | slaxxer | this shr also has the new logo at suspend screen wake |
| 16:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | which will yield 40..150h of GSM |
| 16:59.47 | Zeti | grml |
| 16:59.52 | Zeti | couldn't connect to fso |
| 16:59.55 | Zeti | -_- |
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| 17:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: great |
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| 17:01.23 | DocScrutinizer | Zeti: huh? don't get ya |
| 17:01.32 | Zeti | that explains my phone not taking calls |
| 17:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, SHR settings "couldn't connect to dbus or frameworkd" or sth |
| 17:02.56 | d1b | looks at old nokia :) |
| 17:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | thought you maybe talk about "http://freesmartphone.org 404" |
| 17:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | or "ssh: no route to host" |
| 17:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: this seems not to suggest the bat is too old and worn: |
| 17:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | 0x29 - 0x28: 2 CYCL Cycle Count Since Learning Cycle High-Low Byte Cycles R |
| 17:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | 0x2B - 0x2A: 205 CYCT Cycle Count Total High - Low Byte Cycles R |
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| 17:06.46 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: oh? |
| 17:06.54 | d1b | so... what is my issue then... |
| 17:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | it rather suggests you had a learning cycle 2 charges ago, which might have failed for some reason |
| 17:07.45 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: m...? can haz fix it? |
| 17:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: bateries might get worn out due to storage while depleted. or have issue from fab |
| 17:08.30 | d1b | right. |
| 17:08.38 | d1b | so the battery is useless atm to me. |
| 17:08.44 | d1b | i already ordered a new one. |
| 17:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: I suggest you do another "learning cycle" which simply means you need to discharge it until voltage actually drops below 3.0V (that's not the whole pic, but sufficient to advice) |
| 17:10.07 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: so i shouldn't have ordered a new battery... |
| 17:10.20 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: um... |
| 17:10.25 | d1b | well last time i was using it like that. |
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| 17:10.39 | d1b | well actually it has been on 0% recently or it reports to be |
| 17:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: a spare bat never is a bad thing to have :-) |
| 17:10.46 | d1b | i turn it on and it says 0% |
| 17:10.49 | d1b | and im like...? |
| 17:11.34 | PaulFertser | d1b: imo regular nokia battery is enough for most gta02 users. |
| 17:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: this bat the log was from is charged 100%. If your device reports diferent on switching on, you got a sw problem |
| 17:12.04 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: tis not a software issue |
| 17:12.14 | d1b | it is a hardware / battery issue. |
| 17:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: how could hw/bat know which app is querying the bq27k? my script reports the bq27k thinks bat is at 100% |
| 17:13.42 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: turn phone on |
| 17:13.43 | d1b | use. |
| 17:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | so if your app reports different, what might be the cause? hw?? |
| 17:13.57 | d1b | come back later 0%. reboot .. try again. |
| 17:14.17 | d1b | actually i haven't drained it completly i guess to the point where it don't boot. |
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| 17:14.20 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: no idea. |
| 17:14.24 | d1b | im not the EE guy :) |
| 17:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I tell you this is NOT a hw problem |
| 17:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | at least not a batter-hw problem |
| 17:14.59 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: this is a hardware problem |
| 17:15.07 | d1b | :) |
| 17:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | ahhh, says the non-EE guy |
| 17:15.23 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: exactly :) |
| 17:15.46 | d1b | turns auto suspend off / auto dim off |
| 17:15.47 | d1b | gps on |
| 17:15.55 | d1b | ! + wifi lets see how long this lasts |
| 17:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: I'm no astrologist, so I tell you it's related to stars constellation |
| 17:16.29 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: why don't you measure it yourself? :/ |
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| 17:16.34 | lindi- | sorry, meant d1b |
| 17:16.57 | d1b | mm? |
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| 17:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: we frequently see bq27k driver to fail readout the ColoumbCounter chib BQ27000 inside bat correctly. This results in illme opening a requester saying "your bat is low!!!" |
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| 17:19.34 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: debian also |
| 17:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | ignore that |
| 17:20.09 | d1b | 89% from 100% atm --> estimated 47minutes left |
| 17:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | so could you please do another bq27k-detail printout NOW |
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| 17:21.27 | d1b | ok |
| 17:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: and, btw 89% != 0% |
| 17:22.29 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: i know this :) |
| 17:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: with full backlite, GPS and WLAN and GPRS constant traffic you could actually reach the reported ~2A load on batery, which means it's empty after <45min |
| 17:24.15 | d1b | good |
| 17:24.33 | d1b | ill wasnt that the point :) |
| 17:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes, the point is bg27k-detail reports a capacity of bat of 862mWh |
| 17:27.02 | d1b | which is wrong |
| 17:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | which should be more like 4000mWh |
| 17:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | for a good bat |
| 17:27.31 | d1b | yes. |
| 17:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | as long as BQ27000 is calibrated |
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| 17:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | it could get out of calib by faulty learning cycle |
| 17:28.31 | d1b | oh. |
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| 17:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I suggested to deplete bat until voltage is below some reasonable lower limit, like 3V3 |
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| 17:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | you shouldn't do this with a current of >1000mA though |
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| 17:31.11 | d1b | erh. how do i know what current im at... |
| 17:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | as it's natural for a cell to yield less capacity on high load |
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| 17:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | use bq27-detail, or shrsettings-power |
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| 17:32.02 | d1b | so just let it go to 0 atm? |
| 17:32.02 | d1b | ish |
| 17:32.11 | d1b | by leaving it alone and letting it suspend etc.? |
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| 17:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | please rephrase |
| 17:32.42 | d1b | how would you like me to attempt to dischart it |
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| 17:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | check current-now, or shrsettings-power "current" reading |
| 17:33.31 | d1b | trying too : |
| 17:33.32 | d1b | ) |
| 17:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | make sure it's not >1000mA |
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| 17:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | disable GPRS if needed, as it eats random high current |
| 17:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | disable suspend and dim |
| 17:34.15 | d1b | nothing is on atm. just the phone. |
| 17:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | let bat deplete |
| 17:34.22 | d1b | so don't suspend and don't dim ? |
| 17:34.26 | d1b | ok. |
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| 17:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | when bat voltage reading reaches <3V3 (and you got 0% for quite some time by then) - Do a bq27k-detail log, then connect charger, do a 2. log, then let bat charge completely |
| 17:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | do a 3. log |
| 17:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | then come back |
| 17:37.47 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: now 'neo1973 neo1973 info' returns "fast_charge" and backlight is off :) |
| 17:37.58 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: I mean "neo1973 charger status" |
| 17:38.10 | d1b | wow to many steps ill just let it drain wake it up after that via a nokia battery and get the info, then log after the finished charge |
| 17:38.16 | d1b | should be the same :) |
| 17:38.24 | d1b | just going to use the nokia battery to start it. |
| 17:38.36 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: im going to have to kill fso tho no? |
| 17:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: since quite some months fso shouldn't power down device when CC reading reaches 0%. If yours does, you got an outdated version and for sure a problem with your bat life |
| 17:40.31 | d1b | i thought fso would power the device down to avoidthe issue |
| 17:40.36 | d1b | of not being able to boot |
| 17:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | that should be done by kernel interrupt triggered in PMU at a certain bat voltage |
| 17:41.35 | d1b | ok |
| 17:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | the scheme of reading out CC in bat prooved to be buggy |
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| 17:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 17:42.42 | d1b | ok |
| 17:42.45 | d1b | ty |
| 17:44.54 | d1b | fun rebooting it twice --> 0% left now |
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| 17:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: ty, doesn't matter |
| 17:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-09 18:36:38] <DocScrutinizer> when bat voltage reading reaches <3V3 (and you got 0% for quite some time by then) - Do a bq27k-detail log, then connect charger, do a 2. log, then let bat charge completely |
| 18:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | the 0% point is off when bq27000 had wrong learning cycle |
| 18:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | wrong learning cycle == a premature stop of discharge |
| 18:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | thus: PLEASE discharge until bat VOLTAGE is below 3.3 Volt |
| 18:02.05 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: im not stopping |
| 18:02.06 | d1b | :) |
| 18:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | you'll be amazed how long your system can run from a bat with 0% left ;-) |
| 18:04.01 | d1b | not really ;) |
| 18:04.02 | d1b | heheheh |
| 18:04.27 | d1b | i just wish i tried this before ordering the other battery |
| 18:04.29 | d1b | :) |
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| 18:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
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| 18:12.30 | d1b | ooo it turned off |
| 18:12.46 | fredrin | some news about latest shr-unstable, got a version from sept, some things annoyes the hell out of me |
| 18:13.23 | fredrin | like if i get a new sms, i need to close the sms app and then reload it again to see the new sms |
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| 18:13.34 | fredrin | takes 2 min if you got like 100 sms in the inbox |
| 18:14.05 | d1b | fredrin: dont worry there is this other bug which deletes your smses |
| 18:14.07 | d1b | ;) |
| 18:14.12 | fredrin | sweet |
| 18:16.51 | Zeti2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.52 | Zeti2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.52 | Zeti2 | c9) * |
| 18:16.57 | Zeti2 | can somebody translate this for me? |
| 18:17.05 | Zeti2 | or rather |
| 18:17.12 | Zeti2 | where do i get it if not from the official repo |
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| 18:20.21 | Zeti2 | ok manual install does it |
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| 19:22.11 | Gabrys | I got this error |
| 19:22.17 | Gabrys | and managed to find this ipk |
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| 19:30.35 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r149bbca9cc4b 10/libfsobasics/ (fsobasics/utilities.vala tests/testutilities.vala): libfsobasics: rewrite removeTree() for systems that lack proper d_type reporting in readdir(2) |
| 19:30.36 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0f3bbcab77b6 10/fsogsmd/ (src/lib/sms.vala tests/testsms.vala): fsogsmd: testsms working again |
| 19:30.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r89022de0d4ec 10/libfsobasics/ (fsobasics/utilities.vala tests/testutilities.vala): |
| 19:30.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: add Utility.createBacktrace() |
| 19:30.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: function disabled until Vala 0.7.9 or (inofficial) 0.7.8.1 release |
| 19:30.41 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r60a5eacce377 10/fsousaged/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala): |
| 19:30.44 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: fix race condition that broke dbus system activation |
| 19:30.46 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Do NOT use plain deferred initialization (Idle.add(do_more_init_stuff)) |
| 19:30.48 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: for plugins that are dbus system activated, since in that case, the dbus call |
| 19:30.50 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: will be the first action inserted in the mainloop queue -- even |
| 19:30.52 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: before your idle call, hence parts may not be initialized at that time. |
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| 20:16.48 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: "It's running Android at the present time. It is model number GTA02. Since I can't pull up an xterm, I can't check that file. " |
| 20:16.50 | luke-jr | :/ |
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| 21:02.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | luke-jr: surely they can pop the back off and look at the serial(s) |
| 21:05.07 | luke-jr | Kamping_Kaiser: ? |
| 21:05.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | luke-jr: wasn't the problem to do with finding out the model of the device? (i'm trying to remember from yesterday) |
| 21:06.48 | luke-jr | yeah |
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| 21:12.22 | tomcatek | Anyone is using SHR unstable by mrmkou? |
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| 21:44.22 | slaxxer | tomcatek yes |
| 21:47.28 | slaxxer | http://shr.bearstech.com/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ |
| 21:47.51 | tomcatek | slaxxer: do You have an issue with suspending on demand |
| 21:48.02 | tomcatek | slaxxer: or powering back the phone |
| 21:48.22 | slaxxer | well it seems to not suspend automaticly |
| 21:48.34 | slaxxer | i manual now |
| 21:48.37 | tomcatek | it does for me |
| 21:48.44 | slaxxer | in suspend |
| 21:49.07 | tomcatek | when I'm pressing power button I don't get the casual menu with suspend option |
| 21:49.25 | slaxxer | out ok |
| 21:49.31 | slaxxer | i do |
| 21:49.50 | slaxxer | same shutdown menu |
| 21:50.04 | tomcatek | when I'm trying to power phone back i have to keep power button pressed for a while before any reaction |
| 21:50.42 | slaxxer | u have uboot? |
| 21:51.02 | slaxxer | Qi? |
| 21:52.05 | slaxxer | i had issues with nov 6 .jffs2 |
| 21:52.11 | tomcatek | uboot |
| 21:52.23 | slaxxer | nov 9 works for me |
| 21:52.31 | tomcatek | but I ment powering from suspend |
| 21:52.50 | slaxxer | not so far here |
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| 22:00.03 | slaxxer | power light on |
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| 22:01.27 | tomcatek | hm.. |
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| 22:01.55 | tomcatek | frameworkd.log shows, that pressing power button is recognised normally |
| 22:02.18 | tomcatek | but phone reasumes from suspend after 2-3 seconds |
| 22:11.14 | Gabrys | is it hard to port the sliders-during-call to shr-unstable? |
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| 22:12.30 | Gabrys | I mean adjust audio-settings-during-call-sliders |
| 22:17.59 | tomcatek | Gabrys: if You would done that, You would have few "fans" ;] |
| 22:18.18 | Gabrys | "few" or "a few" |
| 22:20.10 | tomcatek | life will show :P |
| 22:24.19 | Gabrys | in fact I need this, automatic wifi (which is handled nicely with mofi if added as init script and resume.d file), better browser (which I'm going to write extending arora a bit), minimalistic mail client and IM application (which can be done in browser once there is good one) |
| 22:24.58 | Gabrys | and then we can compete with Android |
| 22:26.13 | Gabrys | saving sent SMS-es would be nice too ;-) |
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