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| 06:17.39 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: 16MHz is the default and maximum. People usually try with 10 and lower. |
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| 07:44.58 | Zeti | probably because of changing the renderer I get the white box of death now |
| 07:45.13 | Zeti | "Enlightenment Error: This is very bad...." |
| 07:45.26 | ndnihil | ssh into it and rm -rf ~/.e |
| 07:45.34 | Zeti | can I go back to another renderer |
| 07:45.44 | Zeti | i can't see the phone from the server |
| 07:46.07 | Zeti | neither my changed ip (192.168.1.2) nor the original 192.168.202 is pingable |
| 07:46.32 | ndnihil | was it before? |
| 07:46.36 | Zeti | (192.168.0.202) |
| 07:46.37 | Zeti | yes |
| 07:46.48 | ndnihil | unplug it and plug it back in |
| 07:46.48 | Zeti | I could ssh to my linking yesterday evening |
| 07:47.03 | Zeti | lsusb shows the phone |
| 07:47.19 | Zeti | and ifconfig shows me the eth1 |
| 07:48.12 | Zeti | shall I pastebin what I'm doing? |
| 07:48.24 | Zeti | perhaps there is an error in my logic |
| 07:48.33 | ndnihil | did you unplug it and plug it back in? |
| 07:48.36 | Zeti | yes |
| 07:48.42 | ndnihil | did the interface come back up? |
| 07:49.01 | Zeti | not automatically |
| 07:49.09 | ndnihil | did it manually? |
| 07:49.12 | Zeti | yes |
| 07:49.18 | ndnihil | and you still can't ping it? |
| 07:49.19 | Zeti | ifconfig 192.168.X.Y |
| 07:49.21 | Zeti | no |
| 07:49.31 | Zeti | I'll dump my commands |
| 07:49.33 | Zeti | gimme a sec |
| 07:49.44 | ndnihil | screwing up e and networking are completely separate issues |
| 07:52.55 | Zeti | I slightly remember changing the usb0's default IP somewhere in the settings |
| 07:53.05 | Zeti | at least I intended 192.168.1.2 |
| 07:53.17 | Zeti | might be a spelling error in there if I did everything else right |
| 07:57.18 | Zeti | nmap doesn't find it on either networks |
| 07:58.52 | Zeti | at least I see that dropbear started |
| 08:10.21 | Zeti | is there a program that can show me whatever ip is on the other site of the usb cable? |
| 08:14.11 | ndnihil | nmap would be that program |
| 08:14.17 | ndnihil | or something similar |
| 08:16.00 | Zeti | I did nmap 192.168.0.1-255 |
| 08:16.09 | Zeti | and likewise for 192.168.1.X |
| 08:16.21 | Zeti | nothing came out of it besides my router |
| 08:17.01 | Zeti | I'll try once more |
| 08:18.23 | ndnihil | nmap -sP |
| 08:19.02 | Zeti | i don't see anything in tcpdump as well |
| 08:19.15 | ndnihil | there would have to be traffic to see anything with a sniffer |
| 08:19.43 | Zeti | whatever nmap is doing is not causing traffic? |
| 08:20.33 | Zeti | well not I saw something |
| 08:20.56 | Zeti | Memory Access Error from nmap |
| 08:20.58 | Zeti | nice |
| 08:20.59 | Zeti | anyway |
| 08:21.01 | PaulFertser | Zeti: you want be able to find your device on eth1 with nmap unless you you have /16 netmask. Because else all 192.168.1.x packets will be routed to your router. |
| 08:21.10 | PaulFertser | s/want/won't/ |
| 08:21.30 | Zeti | tcpdump showed some response from 192.168.0.200 |
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| 08:22.02 | ndnihil | .202 is the default address of the phone |
| 08:22.10 | Zeti | http://de.pastebin.ca/1661827 |
| 08:22.13 | ndnihil | my workstation side is .200 |
| 08:22.37 | Zeti | mine too |
| 08:22.52 | Zeti | how come he caused trafiic with nothing on the other site of the line? |
| 08:23.25 | Zeti | ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.0.0 ? |
| 08:23.42 | Zeti | that the right one? |
| 08:24.08 | ndnihil | why would you use a full class B for that/ |
| 08:24.12 | ndnihil | ? |
| 08:24.31 | ndnihil | #!/bin/bash |
| 08:24.32 | ndnihil | sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 08:24.32 | ndnihil | sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 08:24.32 | ndnihil | sudo ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:24.34 | ndnihil | ^do that |
| 08:25.08 | ndnihil | and you dont even need the first two lines for communication between workstation and phone |
| 08:25.36 | ndnihil | change eth2 to whatever is appropriate for your environment |
| 08:25.54 | Zeti | inet Adresse:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Maske:255.255.255.0 |
| 08:25.59 | Zeti | what I currently have |
| 08:26.09 | ndnihil | looks right |
| 08:26.14 | ndnihil | and you can't ping the phone? |
| 08:26.15 | Zeti | besides I had trouble doing the forwarding |
| 08:26.24 | ndnihil | forwarding is irrelevant for this |
| 08:26.38 | Zeti | that's why I (tried to?) change the ip of the phone somewhere in the gui |
| 08:26.40 | ndnihil | I just pasted my phone-up script |
| 08:30.23 | Zeti | 202 is definitely notresponding to ping |
| 08:30.23 | Zeti | that's why I used nmap to look for it |
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| 08:31.19 | Zeti | wb PaulFertser |
| 08:31.19 | ndnihil | boot to NOR, mount NAND, get rid of ~/.e, then boot NAND and go figure out what you set the IP to |
| 08:31.19 | Zeti | NOR =? |
| 08:31.19 | Zeti | sd? |
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| 08:31.19 | ndnihil | no |
| 08:31.19 | ndnihil | NOR |
| 08:31.20 | ndnihil | you could boot sd if already set up to do so |
| 08:31.20 | Zeti | the aux -bootup? |
| 08:31.20 | ndnihil | I forget which is which as far as pushing buttons and booting |
| 08:31.20 | ndnihil | it should be on the wiki |
| 08:31.20 | Zeti | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NOR_Flash <- this article is abit limited |
| 08:31.20 | Zeti | but I had to use this combination when setting up the NAND |
| 08:31.21 | Zeti | it's a boot loader menu with different start options (NAND, SD and some other stuff) |
| 08:31.59 | Zeti | Boot Menu (NOR) is in the title |
| 08:32.06 | ndnihil | boot it |
| 08:32.08 | Zeti | what to do now? |
| 08:32.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: NOR bootloader can't do much more than nand. |
| 08:32.59 | Zeti | boot |
| 08:33.02 | Zeti | boot from sd |
| 08:33.07 | Zeti | set console to usb |
| 08:33.13 | Zeti | set console to serial |
| 08:33.17 | Zeti | reboot and power off |
| 08:33.36 | PaulFertser | Zeti: if you have damaged your nand rootfs install (i.e. no gui and no networking) you have to prepare a bootable uSD (can be booted either by Qi, u-boot or nor u-boot) or just reflash NAND rootfs. |
| 08:33.37 | Zeti | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/9/9c/GTA01-U-Boot.JPG/300px-GTA01-U-Boot.JPG <- looks similar |
| 08:33.41 | ndnihil | doh, forgot it was just bootloader in NOR |
| 08:33.55 | ndnihil | haven't messed with my phone in a while |
| 08:35.09 | Zeti | what's the fastest way to get it boot from sd into a terminal? |
| 08:35.14 | ndnihil | in that case, boot sd, then mount NAND |
| 08:35.54 | Zeti | well I have to put something on my sd first |
| 08:35.58 | ndnihil | or just reflash the stupid thing |
| 08:36.05 | ndnihil | do you have anything important on NAND? |
| 08:36.35 | Zeti | no |
| 08:36.41 | Zeti | the question is what is faster |
| 08:36.50 | Zeti | reflashing nand and installing all the stuff again |
| 08:36.53 | ndnihil | they'll both be equally painful and slow |
| 08:37.05 | Zeti | painful on a sunday |
| 08:37.08 | Zeti | --- |
| 08:37.22 | Zeti | i could put the sd-card into my host |
| 08:37.27 | Zeti | if that accelera<tes anything |
| 08:37.45 | ndnihil | you'll still have to load something on that uSD card |
| 08:38.00 | ndnihil | meaning you're going to end up doing an install anyway |
| 08:38.04 | Zeti | I just figured nthe host would be pretty fast copying files or whatever you have to do |
| 08:41.00 | Zeti | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card <- tzhis one? |
| 08:41.36 | PaulFertser | Zeti: right |
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| 08:49.18 | Zeti | come on |
| 08:49.35 | Zeti | my host doesn't recognize the µSD-card |
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| 08:57.48 | Zeti | another idea down |
| 08:57.52 | Zeti | -_- |
| 08:58.36 | ndnihil | you sure the host is ok? |
| 08:58.39 | ndnihil | tried rebooting it? |
| 08:59.24 | Zeti | I'm just loooking for my sd-card |
| 08:59.30 | Zeti | might be only sdhc making problems |
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| 08:59.54 | Zeti | or some upgrade causing the problem |
| 09:00.11 | Zeti | but I'm pretty sure I already mounted my cameras sd with this linux |
| 09:01.18 | Zeti | ok nothing |
| 09:01.29 | Zeti | must be ther kernel module judging from lspci |
| 09:04.18 | Zeti | ok looks as it's not compiled in in menuconfig |
| 09:04.34 | Zeti | I'll do a kernel recompile |
| 09:04.51 | ndnihil | ? |
| 09:05.18 | ndnihil | what dist are you running that doesn't support SD out of the box? |
| 09:05.24 | Zeti | :-D |
| 09:05.26 | Zeti | guess |
| 09:05.54 | ndnihil | some home-rolled dist I came up with 10 years ago? |
| 09:06.02 | Zeti | I don't think you are a gentoo dev |
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| 09:06.08 | ndnihil | nope |
| 09:06.25 | Zeti | it's all about choices |
| 09:06.46 | Zeti | but it seems this setting got deactivated somehow |
| 09:06.46 | ndnihil | erm |
| 09:06.52 | ndnihil | linux is all about choices |
| 09:07.06 | ndnihil | dists are all about "we think it should be done like this instead of how you're doing it" |
| 09:07.36 | ndnihil | remind me not to bother with gentoo |
| 09:08.33 | Zeti | can ubuntu do apt-get remove coreutils? |
| 09:08.47 | ndnihil | dunno, I dont use ubuntu |
| 09:09.05 | Zeti | then try it on your distro of choice |
| 09:09.12 | ndnihil | why? |
| 09:09.17 | Zeti | gentoo can do it |
| 09:09.23 | Zeti | and I reinstalled coreutils |
| 09:09.28 | Zeti | afterwards |
| 09:09.29 | Zeti | :-D |
| 09:09.35 | ndnihil | why would you bother? |
| 09:09.43 | Zeti | mistake on my part |
| 09:09.47 | Zeti | but it ran |
| 09:09.53 | Zeti | found that pretty amazing |
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| 09:10.10 | ndnihil | you can screw up and recover any linux system |
| 09:10.17 | ndnihil | gentoo is not special in that respect |
| 09:10.38 | Zeti | I'd dare to say soem distros don't allow root to uninstall coreutils |
| 09:10.51 | ndnihil | some package managers perhaps |
| 09:10.54 | Zeti | at least ubuntu is interfering pretty often with my tactics |
| 09:11.44 | ndnihil | no offense, but sounds like perhaps you are interfering with your tactics ;) |
| 09:12.02 | Zeti | dunno what went wrong yesterday on the phone |
| 09:12.12 | Zeti | from what nmap says the if doesn't come up |
| 09:12.19 | Zeti | and the kernel logging doesn't show me the details |
| 09:12.36 | Zeti | and it's also an understatement that the new renderer "may have bugs" |
| 09:12.58 | Zeti | I'd have rather said "It can totally screw up your system" |
| 09:13.18 | Zeti | I assume there is no "ctrl+alt+f1" on the phone? |
| 09:13.31 | ndnihil | do you see a keyboard? |
| 09:13.44 | Zeti | tip once on the screen = a |
| 09:13.48 | Zeti | :-D |
| 09:13.58 | Zeti | but qa good argument |
| 09:14.21 | Zeti | though one against most modern phones |
| 09:14.29 | ndnihil | I suppose you could hook up a USB keyboard |
| 09:14.39 | ndnihil | if you happened to put the phone in host mode |
| 09:14.46 | Zeti | depends on the standardisation of their drivers |
| 09:15.34 | Zeti | so |
| 09:15.41 | Zeti | upgrading to 2.6.30 |
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| 10:11.25 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: thank you for response about the rate, I've already tried it last nigh but I don't find any value that make the sd perfectly working... |
| 10:14.17 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: there's some possibility that cards work differently in laptop or usb cardreader comparing to freerunner because they might use different voltages. |
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| 10:14.59 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: Okay, and if understood well, the voltage il linked is the "strengh" parameter you were talking about last night ? |
| 10:15.01 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: are you sure the partition table is correct etc? I'd try to recreate the partition table from scratch. |
| 10:15.15 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: no, the voltage is something different. |
| 10:15.39 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: I've retried about 10 times, from the phone, from my laptop, it never works on the phone, and always works on my laptop |
| 10:15.42 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: can you imagine a voltage(time) plot for some digital transmission? |
| 10:15.53 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: yrp |
| 10:15.54 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: the strength affects how sharp the edges will be. |
| 10:16.06 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok right :) |
| 10:16.27 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: oh, one more suggestion. Do you have sim installed? |
| 10:16.38 | Snyfer | no |
| 10:17.25 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: there's a mechanical problem in some devices that prevents SD from working correctly with strange errors when sim (or mechanical equivalent) is not inserted. At least i had those for sure. |
| 10:18.24 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: i mean the card somehow should be pushed down harder. You can do that either by bending the holder clips a little or by placing something in the sim card holder. Well, you got the idea. |
| 10:18.52 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: Ok I'll give it a try, I had red it too somewhere but I didn't think this had a chance |
| 10:19.11 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok thank I'm trying it right now |
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| 10:25.12 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: I'm still getting some weirds i/o errors on dmesg and i'm not able to mount the sd card :( I think I'd rather buy a new one, don't you think ? |
| 10:28.22 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: or borrow |
| 10:29.21 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: yep but I'm so restless about it I think I'm gonna buy a new one in a couple of hours if it sill doesn't work :) |
| 10:29.38 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: Can you point me to a sd card which is known to work well if the phone ? |
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| 10:30.10 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: there's a page on the wiki listing all the cards |
| 10:30.17 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: oops sorry |
| 10:30.24 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: np |
| 10:35.32 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: it's a miracle ! |
| 10:35.52 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: I've finally mounted it :) |
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| 10:36.06 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: did you do anything special? |
| 10:36.12 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: thank you very much for your help and all explanations that came with it |
| 10:37.11 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: I've set the strengh to 6 and downgrade the clock to 10Mhz as you said, but with the pin inside, and unlocked... Don't know why but when I unlocked it I could be able to mount my sd partition without any issues |
| 10:37.19 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: maybe the two aren't linked |
| 10:37.43 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb5c5d0c3a778 10/fsogsmd/tests/testsms.vala: fsogsmd: testsms: fix uint8 |
| 10:37.57 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: i think 3 is the physical maximum for the stregth. |
| 10:38.22 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: what is "pin inside"? |
| 10:38.38 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: oh ok I've red somewhere that someone tried 0 to 6 so I went with the biggest |
| 10:38.52 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: sorry ? |
| 10:39.10 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: "but with the pin inside" <-- your words |
| 10:39.37 | Snyfer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:41.29 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: funny thing, i was using my FR for 3/4 year already and only after that i found that the sim holder can be locked :) |
| 10:41.57 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ;) |
| 10:42.56 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: oh sorry I got it, I didn't mean mechanically locked, I meant I hadn't type my sim password... When I did I could be able to mount my sd card, and I don't know if the two are related |
| 10:43.43 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: i think sd_drive << 6 (from glamo_mci code) suggests that 3 is the maximum |
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| 10:45.39 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: PaulFertser I haven't red the code, is it a uchar ? |
| 10:46.18 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: and I was wrong, the partition is mounted but I'm not able to work on it, creating a file or reading one is getting me errors :s I was too fast |
| 10:46.27 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: i'd need to look at the datasheet (i do not have since it's nda'd) to tell you that. But it looks like a reasonable guess, and in fact 3 was the default for quite some time. |
| 10:57.33 | Snyfer | Too bad I can't get it working, I'm going out to buy a new one.. |
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| 11:43.17 | Zeti | hi folks |
| 11:43.22 | Zeti | ndnihil, still there? |
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| 11:47.17 | Zeti | which device is the nand? |
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| 12:09.10 | Zeti | anybody care to tell me how to mount the NAND? |
| 12:10.17 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.20 | Zeti | i see 6 or 7 devices there |
| 12:12.00 | max_posedon | yes, you have 6 partitions on nand |
| 12:12.15 | Zeti | which one do I need to remove the enlightenment settings? |
| 12:12.16 | max_posedon | usually only one (6th) is mountable |
| 12:12.20 | Zeti | ah ok |
| 12:12.22 | Zeti | lemme see |
| 12:12.58 | Zeti | mount /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/card/ |
| 12:12.59 | Zeti | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 12:13.17 | max_posedon | -t jffs2 |
| 12:13.19 | Zeti | right so? |
| 12:13.41 | Zeti | looks good |
| 12:14.06 | Zeti | rm .e -rf? |
| 12:14.17 | Zeti | if I get the white box of death? |
| 12:15.12 | max_posedon | it won't help I think |
| 12:15.23 | Zeti | what would? |
| 12:15.31 | max_posedon | but yes, rm -rf .e will remove enlightment settings |
| 12:16.03 | max_posedon | I don't know which kernel and distro you use, and when you catch white screen |
| 12:16.07 | max_posedon | so, can't help, sorry |
| 12:16.11 | Zeti | in short |
| 12:16.20 | Zeti | I suspect me messing around with the renderer |
| 12:16.35 | Zeti | messed it up |
| 12:16.40 | Zeti | I recieve a white box when booting |
| 12:16.48 | Zeti | in front of an empty illume home |
| 12:16.52 | Zeti | where I see ususally the icons |
| 12:17.02 | Zeti | "This is very bad" |
| 12:17.14 | Zeti | at the bottom buttons with restart and debug |
| 12:18.08 | Zeti | "Enlightenment error" |
| 12:18.08 | Zeti | "This is very bad...." |
| 12:18.10 | Zeti | that's it |
| 12:19.20 | max_posedon | ah this |
| 12:19.34 | max_posedon | ok, rm -rf will help |
| 12:19.51 | max_posedon | under "white screen of death" I understand smth else |
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| 12:30.22 | Zeti | ok |
| 12:30.28 | Zeti | well lemme give it a shot |
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| 12:31.09 | Zeti | its white |
| 12:31.13 | Zeti | and it's dead |
| 12:32.11 | Zeti | btw |
| 12:32.25 | Zeti | are errors while booting common? |
| 12:33.58 | max_posedon | you know, I still don't know your distro and your kernel |
| 12:34.13 | Zeti | SHR |
| 12:34.15 | max_posedon | but as for me, I have few not important errors |
| 12:34.23 | Zeti | the recommended version from the title |
| 12:35.40 | nio_ | I think errors are pretty common, yes, although I don't see any messages myself, I'm sure my FR gives errors too. Just depends on what the errors say.. |
| 12:36.17 | Zeti | uncorrectable error |
| 12:36.24 | Zeti | and some bad block in nand5 |
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| 12:36.58 | Zeti | and I got no Xserver this time |
| 12:37.01 | Zeti | retrying |
| 12:37.34 | Zeti | mtdblock5 |
| 12:37.39 | Zeti | that's it's name |
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| 12:44.26 | Zeti | ok it's up and running again |
| 12:44.28 | Zeti | thanks folks |
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| 14:08.54 | Zeti | hello |
| 14:09.08 | Zeti | where does opkg save which packages have to be installed? |
| 14:09.12 | Zeti | aka world file in gentoo |
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| 14:10.55 | Zorkman | anyone using a FR and Windows 7 ? |
| 14:11.39 | Zeti | jep |
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| 14:12.21 | Zorkman | Zeti: I succesfully used usb network and internet sharing on linux, win xp, win vista, but for some strange reason i'm doing something wrong on win 7 :s |
| 14:13.05 | Zeti | it was a bit fuzzy |
| 14:13.12 | Zeti | but network-bridging did it for me |
| 14:13.36 | Zorkman | I've installed the neorndis driver, done the netsh interface ip set address thingy, shared my lan netwrok (it doesn't use 192.168.0.x, but 192.168.3.x so that is fine) and even did the Hkey_Local_Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters |
| 14:13.36 | Zorkman | change.. |
| 14:13.55 | Zorkman | aha, for some strange reason I don't like bridges, but I'll try it (when my moko is doen upgrading over wifi) |
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| 14:14.23 | Zeti | I jumped directly to the bridge |
| 14:14.34 | Zeti | didn't try the connection sharing at all |
| 14:15.05 | Zorkman | any disadvantages to a bridge? |
| 14:15.44 | Zeti | I think connection sharing is your pc routing |
| 14:15.58 | Zeti | with bridging the openmoko has a direct connection to the router |
| 14:16.10 | Zeti | better if you want your fr to use dhcp |
| 14:16.12 | Zeti | afair |
| 14:16.19 | Zeti | vut I must warn you |
| 14:16.31 | Zeti | I'vr got bad marks on metworking at the university |
| 14:16.35 | Zeti | :-( |
| 14:16.54 | Zorkman | hehe, np, thanks for the info |
| 14:17.15 | Zeti | PaulFertser seemed quite competent in this area |
| 14:18.29 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: if you think of your typical ethernet "switch" carefully you'll see it's in fact network bridge. |
| 14:19.17 | Zeti | http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-networking/2847-how-do-i-make-network-bridge.html |
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| 14:23.12 | Zeti | it seems shr-installer is pretty useless at the moment |
| 14:23.40 | Zeti | at least the browse repository function is missing |
| 14:24.00 | Zeti | or did I catch an old version? |
| 14:24.18 | Zorkman_ | Zeti, PaulFertser: I made the bridge (between my lan and the moko) lan internet works fine (as you can see), but I can't pin my FR... |
| 14:24.22 | Zorkman_ | pin=ping |
| 14:24.54 | PaulFertser | Zeti: everything from SHR can be considered old, they're currently pretty close to releasing the new unstable |
| 14:25.16 | Zeti | PaulFertser, should I get my hopes up? |
| 14:25.32 | Zeti | Zorkman, sure about the ip? |
| 14:25.39 | Zeti | windows 7 might have reassigned new ones |
| 14:25.49 | Zeti | at least to your side of the net |
| 14:26.02 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: probably the netmask on your pc (from which you're trying to ping) is too restrictive and doesn't include FR's ip. |
| 14:26.50 | Zorkman_ | I can't seem to find how to change the FR's interface IP on my machine when it is bridged... |
| 14:26.52 | Zeti | are there any repositories besides the official one worth adding? |
| 14:27.00 | Zeti | eg. like medibuntu for ubuntu |
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| 14:28.57 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: do you have any idea how I would be able to fix this? |
| 14:29.21 | Zeti | in the adapter settings of the bridge I assume |
| 14:31.16 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: you do not need interface ip for a bridge. Just make the netmask 255.255.0.0 for the interface it's bridged with. |
| 14:31.48 | Zorkman_ | the only thing about my "moko" connection I can change is the Network address (it's currently set to "not present" and when I try to specify a value it doesn't allow enough character to set for example 192.168.0.200 |
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| 14:35.37 | Zorkmn | (hope i didn't miss any usefull comments... |
| 14:35.55 | Zeti | nope |
| 14:36.16 | Zeti | windows 7 somehow resets your ips on both sides |
| 14:36.27 | Zeti | you have to adapt the openmoko ip to the windows one |
| 14:36.36 | brian_ | no way |
| 14:36.48 | Zeti | no way? |
| 14:37.02 | Zeti | I can't try it out since I'm with linux now |
| 14:37.33 | brian_ | -1 windows 7 |
| 14:38.02 | Zeti | ? |
| 14:39.02 | Zorkmn | ok, i changed my FR ip to something in the same range as my lan and now I can ping it |
| 14:39.33 | Zorkmn | and ssh into it |
| 14:39.44 | Zorkmn | still no internet thoug |
| 14:39.47 | Zorkmn | *though |
| 14:39.57 | Zorkmn | must be something wrong with my resolv.conf i think |
| 14:40.03 | Zorkmn | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.be |
| 14:40.03 | Zorkmn | ping: bad address 'google.be' |
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| 14:40.46 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: set route do Your GW |
| 14:41.01 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: and add nameservers |
| 14:41.56 | Zorkmn | tomcatek: I don't exactly know how what you mean by "set route do Your GW" |
| 14:42.52 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 14:43.10 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: only change IP to Your gateway |
| 14:44.03 | Zorkmn | so "route add default gw 192.168.3.20 usb0" ? (192.168.3.20 is ip of my router) |
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| 14:44.27 | tomcatek | usb0 is not needed |
| 14:45.07 | tomcatek | route will automaticly recognise which interface is in given address range |
| 14:45.12 | Zorkmn | now I don't get a "ping: bad address", but still no ping response |
| 14:45.30 | tomcatek | set some nameservers |
| 14:45.40 | tomcatek | DNS |
| 14:45.54 | Zorkmn | I did |
| 14:45.56 | Zorkmn | ow wait, typo :) |
| 14:46.36 | Zorkmn | still no luck... i've set the same DNS as my lan has (the router address 192.168.3.20) |
| 14:46.55 | Zeti | can you ping that address from your fr? |
| 14:47.11 | tomcatek | try pinging 209.85.229.104 |
| 14:47.11 | Zorkmn | nope :( |
| 14:47.29 | Zorkmn | tomcatek: also doesn't work |
| 14:47.29 | Zeti | can you ping the windows host? |
| 14:47.37 | Zeti | well let's go step by step |
| 14:47.58 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: whad do You get when You type "route -n"? |
| 14:48.37 | Zorkmn | http://pastebin.com/m6a7ee1ea |
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| 14:49.05 | tomcatek | and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 14:49.07 | BluesLee | any evopedia users here? |
| 14:49.13 | tomcatek | let's see what You have in there :] |
| 14:49.15 | Zorkmn | BluesLee: me |
| 14:49.22 | Zeti | i did route add default gw windowsip |
| 14:49.30 | Zeti | i did route add default gw routerip |
| 14:49.33 | BluesLee | Zorkm: does gps work for you? |
| 14:49.34 | Zeti | respectively |
| 14:49.36 | Zorkmn | http://pastebin.com/d4183abe6 |
| 14:49.49 | Zorkmn | BluesLee: haven't tested that functionality, sorry |
| 14:50.29 | BluesLee | Zorkmn: and how should it work? i use osm for tangogps, clicking on gps within evopedia doesnt show me the maps |
| 14:51.41 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: from where I'm sitting, it's a problem on Your windows machine. |
| 14:51.45 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r45b2bf888f5c 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: add FileHandling.removeTree() |
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| 14:51.57 | tomcatek | forwarding doesn't work or so |
| 14:52.13 | Zorkmn | I've edited the registry key's to allow ip forwarding... |
| 14:52.18 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: can You connect to Your network via wifi? |
| 14:52.38 | Zorkmn | tomcatek: yes, did an opkg upgrade like 20min ago over wifi |
| 14:53.02 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: so what for are You using windows forwarding? |
| 14:53.38 | Zorkmn | my Fr doesn not have a very good wifi reception near my pc |
| 14:54.16 | Zorkmn | (my pc is connected through LAN to a la fonera with openwrt on it that acts like a wifi client and that is positioned somewhere else in my appartment) |
| 14:55.08 | Zorkmn | plus when i'm on the move there is not always an AP point available |
| 14:55.18 | Zorkmn | (haven't tried ad-hoc communications with the FR) |
| 14:55.35 | Zorkmn | and most importantly; because it should work damnit! :)) |
| 14:56.04 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: try "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf |
| 14:56.06 | tomcatek | " |
| 14:56.20 | tomcatek | with wifi on |
| 14:56.40 | tomcatek | it will set interface to max power (default is powar saving) |
| 14:57.24 | Zorkmn | difficult to say how much the reception is improved, because my FR keeps insisting " Link Quality:171/94" |
| 14:57.43 | tomcatek | try "iwlist eth0 scan" |
| 14:58.04 | Zorkmn | Quality=12/94 |
| 14:58.11 | tomcatek | is it better? |
| 14:58.39 | Zorkmn | difficult to say, withouth maxperf it oscilates between 3 and 15 |
| 14:58.57 | tomcatek | try to connect |
| 14:59.02 | tomcatek | os smtg |
| 14:59.15 | Zorkmn | already connected, but withouth it it also works from time to time.. |
| 14:59.48 | tomcatek | from my experience, it helps to get better link quality |
| 15:00.07 | Zorkmn | anyway, getting a new laptop from work soon, i'll use something like conectify.me for when i'm on windows |
| 15:00.19 | Zorkmn | that way i'll get better reception |
| 15:00.57 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: get linux on Your PC. it will be much easier to set forwarding :] |
| 15:01.02 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2a33e5ffe96c 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/sms.vala: fsogsmd: implement SmsStorage.clear() |
| 15:02.27 | Zorkmn | I dual booted on my pc (win xp and fedora 10), but with installing win 7 linux is gone |
| 15:02.39 | Zorkmn | I can still boot from an external HD fedora 9 |
| 15:02.49 | tomcatek | linux or just MBR is cleaned? |
| 15:03.27 | Zorkmn | will need windows on my work laptop though for work (adobe shit and a few of our own programme only work on windows); so it'll be dual booting or RAID0/1 on the laptop |
| 15:03.30 | Zeti | tomcatek, not from my experience |
| 15:05.01 | Zorkmn | zeti: win xp and moko is very easy, but fedora also was quite straitforward (well, not for the average user of course :)) (I'm still quite linux noob and can still remember strugling with editing x.org after I changed reboot and couldn't get a gui) |
| 15:05.14 | tomcatek | Zorkmn: http://kenny.elblag.pl/neo.sh <- my script to connect to neo. it sets everything with forwarding |
| 15:06.02 | Zeti | i do something around these lines as well |
| 15:06.18 | tomcatek | it makes life a bit easier :] |
| 15:10.55 | max_posedon | if you need windows and work, you always can install linux on virtualbox |
| 15:11.37 | Zorkmn | true, did that on another pc for about a year |
| 15:20.51 | Zorkmn | BluesLee: evopedia works for me with the maps... |
| 15:21.18 | Zorkmn | and I can even select which map source to use (from those used in tangogps) |
| 15:21.35 | Zorkmn | (it's quite slow though -zooming-) |
| 15:22.52 | Zorkmn | and dragging is quite counter-intuitive to me (click and drag to the left and the map moves to the right) |
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| 16:27.13 | alabd | So an end-user need that wiki and issue tracking , if not , how does he/she solve his/her android problems on freerunner ? can he/she use here/other communities instead of code.google.com issue tracking ? |
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| 16:39.09 | PaulFertser | alabd: it all depends on the particular project |
| 16:39.50 | PaulFertser | alabd: if people who care about the project you use use only code.google.com for issue tracking than you're out of luck because your point that it's unethical would seem moot to the majority of developers. |
| 16:40.19 | PaulFertser | alabd: so if some project is hosted there and uses its facilities extensively, i guess you wouldn't be able to effectively use it. |
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| 16:40.45 | alabd | hi PaulFertser |
| 16:41.05 | PaulFertser | alabd: if the project you actually use is some fork (like cool guys took android code and put it on github and continuing to evolve it there), then you just use the sites they propose for their fork. |
| 16:41.09 | PaulFertser | alabd: Hey :) |
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| 16:45.18 | alabd | what do you mean of projetc ?it is android on freerunner |
| 16:45.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: there was several projects to have android on freerunner. |
| 16:45.56 | PaulFertser | alabd: i think koolu had their own and they used stupid webforums for issuetracking. |
| 16:46.24 | alabd | someone said it is stoped ? |
| 16:46.32 | PaulFertser | alabd: currently the best android on FR is the one by panicking http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/ |
| 16:47.13 | PaulFertser | alabd: indeed, koolu dropped their projects without any warning or notice whatsoever, leaving their users in vain. I guess that basically confirms they're uncool from the start. |
| 16:48.32 | alabd | see you know there is not access to code.google.com and d.ndroid.com ok ? now it is required to know whether can we use any source instead of them for using android and it's related issuues ? |
| 16:48.47 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, at least they sells neo |
| 16:48.54 | max_posedon | unlike gnu.linuxcenter |
| 16:49.35 | PaulFertser | alabd: i think panicking doesn't require his users to access any google servers. |
| 16:49.46 | PaulFertser | alabd: he does issue tracking some other way. |
| 16:49.57 | PaulFertser | alabd: and btw, android is uncool in my opinion. |
| 16:50.05 | alabd | why ? |
| 16:50.13 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: the way they discontinued android project is offensive |
| 16:50.40 | PaulFertser | alabd: because it's not unix. I can't run any program i like just because android is not unix-compatible. |
| 16:51.01 | alabd | so what is it's base |
| 16:51.21 | PaulFertser | alabd: android's? |
| 16:51.23 | alabd | someone said android has more dev access after mac in the world ? |
| 16:51.29 | alabd | yes PaulFertser |
| 16:52.09 | PaulFertser | alabd: android is basically linux, the kernel with some shitty patches on top of it and incompatible with anything userspace invented by google with the aim to sell apps from google market. |
| 16:53.18 | PaulFertser | alabd: so no usual program can run on android because of its incompatible system libraries and other stuff like that. |
| 16:53.33 | alabd | usual program ? |
| 16:53.44 | larsc | like what runs on your desktop |
| 16:53.47 | PaulFertser | alabd: yes |
| 16:54.13 | alabd | so is there any need for a end-user to have desktop apps in cellphone ? |
| 16:54.30 | PaulFertser | alabd: imho certainly |
| 16:54.33 | max_posedon | on cellphone? no any need, on smartphone - many needs |
| 16:54.43 | max_posedon | but of course it different from person/to person |
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| 16:54.50 | alabd | what needs for example ? |
| 16:55.00 | PaulFertser | alabd: also it's about familiar development environment. Devs are used to work with GNU/Linux, not Android/Linux. |
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| 16:55.35 | PaulFertser | alabd: i need bash, i need irssi, i need mcabber, i need FBReader, i need bluez, i need anything i suddenly want to use. |
| 16:55.49 | PaulFertser | alabd: i treat my freerunner as a small general purpose computer, not as a cellphone. |
| 16:55.54 | alabd | how about an end-user that is not devs ? |
| 16:55.59 | max_posedon | samba, xchat, pidgin |
| 16:56.00 | PaulFertser | alabd: same |
| 16:56.17 | PaulFertser | alabd: but opinions are different so that's why android exists. |
| 16:56.35 | alabd | that is goof for non-devs yes ? |
| 16:56.41 | PaulFertser | alabd: though my personal impression is that with android it is easier for google to sell proprietary software from their stupid android market. |
| 16:57.25 | PaulFertser | alabd: btw, i consider google-the-company to be unethical. Do you know they collaborate with chinese goverment on their censorship program? |
| 16:57.25 | alabd | so which OS do you use instead on FR ? |
| 16:57.40 | PaulFertser | I use Debian |
| 16:58.12 | max_posedon | e.g. regular Linux |
| 16:58.20 | max_posedon | classic, with glibc/X/etc |
| 16:58.36 | alabd | Can it be used for calls sms ,and regular needs.. ? |
| 16:58.56 | PaulFertser | alabd: i use it like that for almost a year |
| 16:59.03 | PaulFertser | alabd: but i must admit it sucks big times |
| 16:59.17 | alabd | yes that is problem |
| 16:59.21 | PaulFertser | alabd: i can't say i enjoy using it as my dayphone. |
| 16:59.40 | alabd | android is more stable in this need s are you agree? |
| 16:59.48 | PaulFertser | alabd: i'm not sure |
| 16:59.51 | PaulFertser | alabd: though i never tried |
| 16:59.58 | PaulFertser | alabd: panicking says it is |
| 17:00.11 | PaulFertser | alabd: hackers do not use android, you know ;) |
| 17:00.14 | max_posedon | I would like to say, that SHR is stable enough for me, for every day usage |
| 17:00.30 | alabd | and max_posedon does it have enoughe app ? |
| 17:00.53 | max_posedon | it regular linux, if I would like more, I easy can get them |
| 17:01.01 | max_posedon | so, amout of apps is enough |
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| 17:01.12 | max_posedon | (I use xchat/pidgin/midori most) |
| 17:01.32 | max_posedon | but I can't say that all apps feets FR screen correctly |
| 17:01.35 | alabd | mean is there enough apps for SHR on the net ? |
| 17:01.47 | max_posedon | yes, it is, for me) |
| 17:02.03 | alabd | like gps app |
| 17:02.11 | max_posedon | tangogps |
| 17:02.23 | alabd | is it free ? |
| 17:02.27 | max_posedon | yes |
| 17:02.59 | alabd | or playing most common sound formats ... or video formats .. |
| 17:03.11 | max_posedon | mplayer play all formats you know) |
| 17:03.17 | alabd | PaulFertser: ok return to main question |
| 17:03.52 | alabd | see you know there is not access to code.google.com and d.ndroid.com ok ? now it is required to know whether can we use any source instead of them for using android and it's related issuues ? |
| 17:04.10 | PaulFertser | alabd: ask panicking for details, he'll guide you. |
| 17:04.35 | PaulFertser | alabd: i guess he doesn't use code.google.com at all |
| 17:04.52 | alabd | max_posedon: so you belive SHR is stable and has enough apps .. |
| 17:05.16 | PaulFertser | alabd: and SHR is actively developed by a community of friendly guys |
| 17:05.17 | alabd | ok PaulFertser does a non-devs end-user need issue tracking at all ? |
| 17:05.31 | max_posedon | alabd, yes |
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| 17:05.36 | PaulFertser | alabd: imho any user needs issue-tracking. How else would you report bugs? |
| 17:05.47 | max_posedon | but I belive that apps can be better, and be more stable |
| 17:06.17 | alabd | ok to solve problems which community are there ? |
| 17:06.27 | alabd | ok to solve android problems which community are there ? |
| 17:06.51 | alabd | max_posedon: is there any call advance manager ? |
| 17:07.14 | alabd | for SHR or other FR OSs max_posedon |
| 17:07.17 | max_posedon | advance manager? sorry, don't understand what you mean under this |
| 17:07.20 | PaulFertser | alabd: for android ask panicking (Michael). |
| 17:07.37 | alabd | he is not here PaulFertser |
| 17:08.06 | alabd | max_posedon: e.g to reject some numbers and redirect some other numbers ... |
| 17:08.21 | max_posedon | as I know, it haven't |
| 17:08.25 | PaulFertser | alabd: yep, write an e-mail to him |
| 17:08.46 | alabd | PaulFertser: do you know what is difference between d.android.com and source.android.com ? |
| 17:08.57 | PaulFertser | alabd: no and i do not care |
| 17:09.40 | alabd | PaulFertser: micheal smith ? |
| 17:10.41 | PaulFertser | alabd: Trimarchi Michael Nazzareno |
| 17:11.01 | alabd | what is his email ? |
| 17:11.29 | PaulFertser | alabd: <michael@panicking.kicks-ass.org> |
| 17:11.55 | alabd | thanks |
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| 17:14.27 | alabd | PaulFertser: Is there any other smartphone like FR in the world ? |
| 17:14.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: unfortunately, no |
| 17:14.52 | PaulFertser | alabd: but there're quite some that run android pre-installed |
| 17:15.08 | PaulFertser | alabd: but nothing comparable is as free as FR. |
| 17:15.12 | alabd | that all are more than 400$ yes ? |
| 17:15.27 | PaulFertser | alabd: i think yes |
| 17:15.41 | alabd | is FR hardware in good quality ? |
| 17:16.14 | PaulFertser | alabd: btw, would you mind explaining why you are so reluctant to clarify the reasons for you to not circumvent artificial google restriction (that in fact was not introduced with the aim to restrict anybody)? |
| 17:16.49 | PaulFertser | alabd: FR hardware is "ok" in quality. Not many mechanical components so it's not fragile. |
| 17:17.08 | alabd | why does not it have cam ? |
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| 17:17.29 | max_posedon | alabd, because it haven't |
| 17:17.31 | PaulFertser | alabd: i do not think i know the answer. |
| 17:17.45 | max_posedon | what answer you want to hear, to this question?) |
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| 17:18.20 | max_posedon | and yes, FR hardware imho not good |
| 17:18.24 | PaulFertser | alabd: probably because at the time the case was designed there were no clear idea about where and how to get a cheap enough cam and how to interface to it etc. Also at the time the case was designed it was obvious that the majority of potential buyers do not need a cam at all. |
| 17:18.27 | max_posedon | because of few bugs |
| 17:18.39 | alabd | maybe it will have cam in neer future ? |
| 17:18.40 | PaulFertser | alabd: because those who wants a cam buys a dedicated cam. |
| 17:18.44 | PaulFertser | alabd: no |
| 17:18.55 | PaulFertser | alabd: the hardware development is stopped. |
| 17:19.14 | alabd | for ever PaulFertser ? |
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| 17:19.41 | max_posedon | at least for now |
| 17:19.42 | alabd | how about software development is it stopped or going to be stoped nearly ? |
| 17:19.58 | max_posedon | software development will never stopped |
| 17:20.02 | PaulFertser | alabd: almost all software devolopment is done by the community |
| 17:20.20 | max_posedon | because FR can run any regular linux app, even openoffice |
| 17:20.36 | alabd | you belive that it will not be stopped |
| 17:20.42 | Snyfer | max_posedon: should not be proud of that one... |
| 17:20.48 | alabd | is FR produced in USA ? |
| 17:21.10 | max_posedon | Snyfer, I'm not proud of OOo, but proud of FR compabily level |
| 17:21.14 | alabd | and it's parts |
| 17:21.28 | Snyfer | just kidding :) you 3 are too serious |
| 17:21.41 | max_posedon | alabd, nope, its from Taiwan I think |
| 17:22.19 | alabd | so why it had just a distrubiter in india and did not have in taiwan ? |
| 17:22.20 | PaulFertser | alabd: probably some parts are produced in the USA but i doubt that. Almost everything massproduced comes from PRC/Taiwan nowadays. |
| 17:22.22 | Snyfer | and from a java developper (which I'm not and probably never be), that's a jvm compatibility level that I'd be proub ;) |
| 17:22.32 | PaulFertser | alabd: some local tax or whatever issues. |
| 17:23.53 | alabd | so what is producer site or email ? |
| 17:23.55 | Snyfer | by the way guys, I've bought a new sd card, and everything is working well :) I'm untaring my little baby gentoo in it... :D |
| 17:24.23 | alabd | Snyfer: what is the best SD card for FR ? |
| 17:24.44 | alabd | what is producer site or email ? max_posedon PaulFertser |
| 17:24.45 | Snyfer | don't know alabd, but there's a wiki page wich list compatibilities issues on it |
| 17:24.53 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: cool :D |
| 17:24.55 | alabd | yes |
| 17:25.00 | max_posedon | alabd, openmoko.com |
| 17:25.03 | Snyfer | alabd: I think you ask too much question, are you from gestapo or something ? |
| 17:25.14 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: he's from Iran |
| 17:25.30 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: yep, I can't wait to see it booting, if it works... |
| 17:25.44 | alabd | all issues should be considered before buy |
| 17:25.54 | PaulFertser | alabd: you never know |
| 17:26.07 | max_posedon | alabd, wiki.openmoko.org have a long lists and many docs about all issues |
| 17:26.18 | PaulFertser | alabd: i didn't think i would need to hack on bootloader and the kernel and to solder tiny parts when i was buying my FR. |
| 17:26.26 | alabd | yes that is but this issues there is not |
| 17:27.15 | alabd | hack bootloader why dont you say first :D |
| 17:27.49 | PaulFertser | alabd: after hacking my SD card now works so i do not need that anymore ;) |
| 17:28.17 | alabd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=hack+bootloader&go=Go no result |
| 17:28.33 | alabd | what do you mean of hack exactly ? |
| 17:28.52 | PaulFertser | alabd: changing code to make it work |
| 17:29.01 | PaulFertser | With my card |
| 17:29.08 | alabd | is it legal ? |
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| 17:29.20 | Snyfer | what a pleasure not seeing i/o errors in dmesg... :D |
| 17:29.24 | PaulFertser | alabd: hm, i think you misunderstand the word "to hack". |
| 17:29.29 | alabd | is bootloader GPL .. |
| 17:29.47 | alabd | or anyother license that let us edit codes |
| 17:29.48 | alabd | ? |
| 17:30.07 | max_posedon | yes, |
| 17:30.19 | alabd | what is producer site or email ? max_posedon do you know ? |
| 17:30.20 | max_posedon | and I think 100% of softare is GPL-like |
| 17:30.21 | Snyfer | alabd: of course, but please you should really take a look at the wiki |
| 17:30.26 | PaulFertser | alabd: (computing) To accomplish a difficult programming task. |
| 17:30.30 | max_posedon | alabd, I said, http://openmoko.com |
| 17:30.31 | Snyfer | alabd: you'd find a lot of information on it |
| 17:30.32 | PaulFertser | alabd: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hack |
| 17:30.51 | PaulFertser | alabd: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(programmer_subculture) |
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| 17:31.10 | PaulFertser | alabd: the bootloader is hosted at git.openmoko.org |
| 17:31.26 | alabd | so it is not against license that hack ... |
| 17:31.48 | alabd | so do you mean hack need a programmer !? |
| 17:32.09 | PaulFertser | alabd: i can't on earth understand why you think that going against license is immoral! :-/ |
| 17:32.38 | alabd | against license = against owner wants ... |
| 17:32.45 | PaulFertser | alabd: if some evil people are trying to force you to do something bad and that people are able to change the law, does it mean you must follow the law no matter what? |
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| 17:33.07 | alabd | no but you answer this |
| 17:33.09 | alabd | against license = against owner wants ...? |
| 17:33.45 | alabd | code owner can want anything for his code ... |
| 17:33.57 | alabd | if we dont want those wants we can write another code |
| 17:34.01 | alabd | ... |
| 17:34.08 | PaulFertser | alabd: i do not think one can "own" the code. |
| 17:34.19 | PaulFertser | alabd: that's not a property |
| 17:34.35 | alabd | one can not own programming knowlege but can own his written codes |
| 17:34.43 | alabd | and anyhow |
| 17:34.44 | alabd | do you mean hack need a programmer !? |
| 17:35.06 | PaulFertser | alabd: yes, to hack you need to be a programmer |
| 17:35.29 | alabd | so to fix buzz we should be programmer !? |
| 17:35.30 | PaulFertser | alabd: i do not think it's generally accepted that programming codes can be "owned". |
| 17:35.45 | PaulFertser | alabd: no, to fix buzz one needs to be a guy who can solder tiny parts. |
| 17:36.12 | alabd | you told also there is need to hack bootloader .. |
| 17:37.15 | alabd | [20:55] <PaulFertser> alabd: i didn't think i would need to hack on bootloader and the kernel and to solder tiny parts when i was buying my FR. |
| 17:37.16 | PaulFertser | alabd: the bootloader wasn't compatible my SD card at the time i bought my FR. |
| 17:37.34 | alabd | so we can buy a compatible one yes ? |
| 17:37.49 | alabd | what are best compatible cards PaulFertser for FR ? |
| 17:38.02 | alabd | if they are not in iran we should buy with FR .. |
| 17:38.54 | PaulFertser | alabd: the wiki has a page with compatible cards listing. |
| 17:39.05 | alabd | thanks |
| 17:39.25 | alabd | and just 2 question at end |
| 17:39.34 | alabd | you told |
| 17:39.34 | alabd | <PaulFertser> alabd: i didn't think i would need to hack on bootloader and the kernel and to solder tiny parts when i was buying my FR. |
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| 17:39.54 | alabd | why did hack kernel ? |
| 17:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | to fix bugs? |
| 17:40.15 | PaulFertser | alabd: because i was lucky to be able to fix some bugs |
| 17:40.28 | alabd | some bugs ? |
| 17:40.45 | alabd | would you explain more ? |
| 17:40.48 | PaulFertser | alabd: well, at git.openmoko.org you can see the whole commit history |
| 17:40.51 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer, hi!, btw, yesterday you was right, upgrade shr from glibc to eglibc had epic fail |
| 17:41.05 | max_posedon | at the end system was unbootable |
| 17:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | and bye |
| 17:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | (dinner) |
| 17:41.19 | PaulFertser | See you |
| 17:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | have fun ;-) |
| 17:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | ole haxr |
| 17:42.27 | alabd | PaulFertser: you i'm not programmer will tha bugs be bad snags for FR end-user ? |
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| 17:42.42 | alabd | PaulFertser: you know i'm not programmer will tha bugs be bad snags for FR end-user ? |
| 17:43.05 | lindi- | alabd: do you use gnu/linux? |
| 17:43.13 | alabd | yes lindi- |
| 17:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | alabd: no, as great Mr Fertser fixed them for all of us |
| 17:43.58 | alabd | best wishes for Mr Ferster |
| 17:44.05 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer, btw, you can try http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ |
| 17:44.06 | max_posedon | ) |
| 17:44.18 | alabd | so it is not necessary to be programmer for a Fr user ? |
| 17:45.30 | PaulFertser | alabd: in fact there're plenty of bugs left |
| 17:45.38 | PaulFertser | alabd: in kernel land too |
| 17:45.50 | PaulFertser | alabd: and i do not know anything about android's |
| 17:46.12 | PaulFertser | alabd: i'm just keeping saying "FR is not for end-users". imho |
| 17:46.31 | alabd | those bugs will not make us not using FR as daily phone yes ? |
| 17:46.57 | PaulFertser | I use it as my daily phone, max_posedon uses his and so do many people. |
| 17:47.07 | alabd | so that is ok |
| 17:47.35 | alabd | thanks a lot PaulFertser for your best attentions |
| 17:47.47 | PaulFertser | I missed several calls yesterday and didn't even know about it. |
| 17:47.59 | alabd | PaulFertser: :D |
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| 17:48.02 | PaulFertser | alabd: np |
| 17:48.22 | alabd | PaulFertser: is this problem with SHR also ? |
| 17:48.37 | alabd | or with other OS s that you have tested |
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| 17:48.58 | alabd | that call missings was for SHR ? |
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| 17:51.12 | alabd | ok PaulFertser we should talk more if that missing calls will happen in all FR OSs ... |
| 17:51.35 | alabd | thanks again to you and other who helped max_posedon thanks |
| 17:51.53 | alabd | have nice and good life |
| 17:51.55 | alabd | bye |
| 17:51.58 | lindi- | alabd: call stability depends on the software you use, not necessary on the distro |
| 17:53.08 | max_posedon | a year ago, I would thought that alabd is a big troll, but now |
| 17:53.20 | max_posedon | when all non-geek word thinks that FR is dead... |
| 17:56.35 | PaulFertser | I wonder if i should have asked him why Iran wants to destroy Israel. He says about Google as if it was a single person. |
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| 18:23.26 | PBeck | hello hello :) |
| 18:29.24 | brian_ | given israels defiance in the past i can understand irans view |
| 18:29.37 | brian_ | believe it or not |
| 18:31.53 | PaulFertser | brian_: the view is basically that Israel must be destroyed, right? |
| 18:32.13 | brian_ | yes but they are confused |
| 18:33.25 | PaulFertser | brian_: who? iranians? |
| 18:33.26 | brian_ | stories of devout Muslims becoming Christians are getting more common |
| 18:33.57 | brian_ | not all Iranians |
| 18:34.44 | PaulFertser | brian_: in my opinion their president is expressing views that can be clearly labeled extremist, that's unacceptable. |
| 18:36.04 | brian_ | well they know what to do about it |
| 18:39.17 | PaulFertser | brian_: btw, i'm not sure i've read anywhere that israel ever tried to destroy other indepedent states. I don't think they have any motivation to do that unless those countries are actively making israelis' life harder by bombing etc. |
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| 19:52.28 | alabd | good day everyone, PaulFertser about that you said , about missing some calls , that was in which OS ? |
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| 19:53.59 | PaulFertser | alabd: i use debian but it can happen with pretty much every OS (there's still some rare kernel bug with resuming the device). Also it might happen for hundreds of other reasons like bad update, bug here or there or smth. But i have another question for you. |
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| 19:55.06 | PaulFertser | alabd: i've heard that Iran wants to destroy Israel. Does it mean everybody in Iran wants that? Does it mean it's ethical to wish a destruction? |
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| 19:55.58 | alabd | PaulFertser: :D here? |
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| 20:36.13 | Gabrys | hi here |
| 20:36.24 | alabd | hi |
| 20:36.42 | Gabrys | is there a script that runs whenever the phone wakes from suspend? |
| 20:37.01 | Gabrys | I want to put some re-enable-wifi logic in there |
| 20:37.19 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: do you use fso-apmd ? |
| 20:37.23 | zoff99 | yeah there is |
| 20:37.25 | Gabrys | I'm using SHR unstable |
| 20:37.26 | zoff99 | actually a whole directory :) |
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| 20:43.29 | Gabrys | what's the directory? |
| 20:43.51 | Gabrys | /etc/apm/resume.d? |
| 20:44.36 | zoff99 | yeah |
| 20:44.45 | Gabrys | nice |
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| 20:45.03 | zoff99 | i am stopping speechdispatcher on suspend there |
| 20:45.23 | Gabrys | I want something like |
| 20:45.43 | Gabrys | if wifi=on ; then wpa_supplicant ... ; udhcpc ; fi |
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| 20:46.43 | zoff99 | there should already be scripts in there |
| 20:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | WTF speechdispatcher? |
| 20:46.52 | zoff99 | just write a shell script an put there |
| 20:47.03 | zoff99 | for navit -> DocS |
| 20:47.15 | Gabrys | there's only 89omnewrotate-resume |
| 20:47.29 | zoff99 | yeah, just write 99blabla |
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| 20:47.33 | zoff99 | and it will work |
| 20:47.39 | Gabrys | I hope so ;) |
| 20:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | I *know* only navit dares to mess up whole FR audio by using fsckng speechdispatcher |
| 20:47.54 | zoff99 | write "echo blabla > /tmp/bla" |
| 20:48.04 | zoff99 | and u will see the file /tmp/bla after suspend |
| 20:48.18 | Gabrys | actually I need a wpa_supplicant init script as well |
| 20:48.29 | zoff99 | it doesnt screw up anything, i use it everyday |
| 20:48.42 | zoff99 | dont bitch around if u dont know about it :) |
| 20:48.43 | Gabrys | I want my phone to auto-connect to defined wifi networks automagically |
| 20:49.38 | Gabrys | is there any ready software for my demand? |
| 20:49.50 | Gabrys | mofi? (Mofi is a system to detect available wireless Access Points and automatically connect to the most appropriate one depending on the configuration. Mofi now includes a Gnome UI..) |
| 20:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | zoff99: please watch your speech |
| 20:50.15 | zoff99 | just look around the wiki |
| 20:51.06 | Gabrys | yeah, just mofi.py in the script in resume.d should work |
| 20:51.09 | zoff99 | watch your speech also please |
| 20:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | zoff99: would you mind to explain how you solved the problem of OSS emu blocking ALSA audio device exclusively? |
| 20:51.57 | zoff99 | i use navit with speechdispatcher and can make a phone call while doing that |
| 20:52.06 | zoff99 | also can usa mplayer while in navit |
| 20:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
| 20:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | ok, obviously you are the audio expert for FR |
| 20:52.44 | zoff99 | i dont find anything locked , wasnt that only with om2008 ? |
| 20:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'll shut up standing corrected |
| 20:52.59 | zoff99 | nope i am not :) but i just use it and it works |
| 20:53.05 | zoff99 | dont ask me why |
| 20:53.54 | zoff99 | i was kinda thinking somebody fixed it |
| 20:57.17 | rooly | SOOOooooo |
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| 20:57.42 | rooly | don't hate me, but i installed android... |
| 20:57.58 | max_posedon | good luck with it |
| 20:58.25 | rooly | too be honest, i'm getting better performance with it than qtmoko |
| 20:58.45 | idarwin | I did that too, once. I went back to shr because Android is so not-linux not-unix. Have you tried ssh'ing into your android box? :-) |
| 20:58.53 | PaulFertser | rooly: is it panicking's version you run? |
| 20:59.14 | rooly | PaulFertser, not sure, is that the non-koolu git repo? |
| 20:59.19 | rooly | hosted on google |
| 20:59.27 | PaulFertser | rooly: yep |
| 20:59.30 | rooly | then yeah |
| 20:59.56 | rooly | idarwin, no, not ssh'ing into it. just kinda trying to use it |
| 21:00.11 | rooly | i'll have you guys know, i have been complemented on the audio quality in calls using it |
| 21:00.53 | idarwin | that's good to know. And specifically the audio comment was right after you switched from qt to android? |
| 21:00.55 | zoff99 | really? but are there any repositories for android on FR ? |
| 21:01.00 | zoff99 | any nice programs? |
| 21:01.15 | rooly | idarwin, yes, zoff99 there are a few app stores available |
| 21:01.21 | Gabrys | I also have Android (dual-boot) |
| 21:01.23 | rooly | non-market |
| 21:01.36 | Gabrys | and I have sshd running on it :) |
| 21:01.38 | Gabrys | and busybox |
| 21:01.41 | idarwin | you still can't use the official app store, right? |
| 21:01.52 | idarwin | Gabrys, what's the easiest path to installing ssh? |
| 21:02.16 | Gabrys | the easiest way is getting it from me :) |
| 21:02.30 | rooly | idarwin, correct, since the app store is a non-free application |
| 21:02.36 | Gabrys | Android lacks standard library calls for reading /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 21:02.54 | rooly | and since android on freerunner is also not an official android port |
| 21:03.11 | Gabrys | so I needed a patch when you supply user, password and authorized_keys file in the command line switches |
| 21:03.29 | max_posedon | rooly, what is different between official and non-official? |
| 21:03.33 | idarwin | that app store thing bugs me, make is seem like android is more about control by them than about "free your phone" (one of OM catch phrase) |
| 21:03.54 | rooly | official has closed source and drivers from the handset maker, non-official is just a community port |
| 21:03.55 | Gabrys | the biggest problem in Android applications and Free Runner is that they crash if they have some native code |
| 21:04.25 | Gabrys | since FR is armv4t and G1/G2/... phones are armv5t |
| 21:04.37 | Gabrys | so apps in market if having some native code, they have it for armv5t |
| 21:04.44 | max_posedon | rooly, so, matarolla will show code of their drivers, it will make their android "non-official" |
| 21:04.47 | Gabrys | and the app simply crashes |
| 21:04.52 | max_posedon | *if will* |
| 21:04.57 | rooly | max_posedon, no, of course not |
| 21:05.03 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i thought that the original idea was to make java-everything. |
| 21:05.09 | max_posedon | so, your definition isn't good |
| 21:05.22 | Gabrys | pure-java apps works good, and there are plenty of them |
| 21:05.23 | rooly | alright, non-official is just a community port |
| 21:05.49 | Gabrys | but still there are many having some native-code, like every commercial GPS navigation released |
| 21:06.01 | Gabrys | I mean offline GPS navigations |
| 21:06.01 | rooly | official is from an OHA member with all the right licensing |
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| 21:06.37 | rooly | i was merely speaking in practicality terms |
| 21:06.39 | Gabrys | probably Java code for calculating the best path is much slower than C code |
| 21:06.46 | idarwin | please, folks, it's not Java, it's Dalvik. Google went to a lot of trouble to make sure it was not Java, so Sun couldn't sue them for screwing up the existing specifications for Java. |
| 21:06.50 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: oh... that sucks. But otoh it stimulates everybody to use or develop a free alternative :) |
| 21:07.16 | Gabrys | and C code is much more portable (they may be using the same code on different navigations and Android) |
| 21:07.23 | PaulFertser | idarwin: why couldn't they just implement java and call it differently? |
| 21:07.30 | Gabrys | only GUI being written specifically for ANdroid |
| 21:07.49 | Gabrys | they implemented a subset of java with smaller runtime library |
| 21:07.53 | Gabrys | which does not mean it's not java |
| 21:07.54 | idarwin | Java is a trademark of Sun. Just like you can't make your own car out of tin and sell it as a General Motors product. |
| 21:08.00 | rooly | Gabrys, have you managed to get the weather widget working? |
| 21:08.51 | Gabrys | it's java if you talk about the programming language, it's not Java if you talk about standard library, it's not Java when it comes to environment and implementation details |
| 21:08.59 | Gabrys | rooly: I haven't tried |
| 21:09.03 | idarwin | They kept the Java language so they could benefit from the infrastructure of tools, but did their own runtime library, deliberately incompatible to fork the development community. Lots of Java people hold this grudge. |
| 21:09.34 | idarwin | Gabrys, on the contrary, the Java trademark covers the language and the libraries too. |
| 21:09.40 | Gabrys | I never understand weather widgets if they show weather in my city. I can just look though window |
| 21:09.58 | idarwin | You got a corner office :-) |
| 21:09.58 | Gabrys | let's forget about the trademarks for a while |
| 21:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | If you think Android has good audio, so why not simply check which "AT%Nxxxx" (plus maybe other init commands like AT+CLVL) are sent to the modem, and also run a simple "alsactl -f best-audio.state store" ? |
| 21:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon everybody that's really not that complicated |
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| 21:11.02 | idarwin | Sure, just talk about Dalvik not Java, as Java does not exist for Android platform. |
| 21:11.18 | rooly | can we just say coffee and get it over with? |
| 21:11.24 | Gabrys | Java is language + environment + bytecode definition + standard library + implementation |
| 21:11.41 | Gabrys | Dalvik is different from Java but the language which is pretty the same |
| 21:12.08 | Gabrys | which means you can compile some Java programs to Dalvik bytecode and run them on Dalvik VM |
| 21:12.54 | Gabrys | as long as they don't use things from Sun's standard library that are not present in Dalvik standard library |
| 21:13.18 | idarwin | We agree. It is different. All Dalvik programs can be compiled with a Java compiler and translated into Dalvik. |
| 21:14.23 | Gabrys | BTW, is there a way to actually test GSM quality without calling someone? |
| 21:14.57 | rooly | errr... |
| 21:15.05 | idarwin | Probably some AT command :-) |
| 21:15.23 | rooly | grumbles |
| 21:15.55 | rooly | i'm trying to pull down the android source from google and gitorious, but i keep getting booted from the connection when trying to pull the kernel |
| 21:16.16 | Gabrys | I found some settings that are announced to help with GSM sound quality |
| 21:16.21 | Gabrys | http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/gsmhandset.state |
| 21:18.29 | rooly | Gabrys, any idea where i could score the email app for android? |
| 21:18.33 | rooly | it didn't come with my build |
| 21:18.48 | Gabrys | try K9 mail |
| 21:18.55 | Gabrys | I found it somewhere, good enough |
| 21:19.02 | rooly | push with gmail? |
| 21:19.09 | Gabrys | (actually much better than any I found for om) |
| 21:19.20 | Gabrys | it has push support |
| 21:19.27 | Gabrys | don't know if it works with gmail |
| 21:19.33 | Gabrys | I don't use gmail obviously |
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| 21:22.23 | rooly | adn got it |
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| 21:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | Gabrys: (test GSM) No |
| 21:32.33 | Gabrys | :( |
| 21:32.59 | Gabrys | and do we have one best gsmhandset.state file? |
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| 21:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | No |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing, as HW is too different |
| 21:33.46 | rooly | well, a7 here |
| 21:33.58 | rooly | btw, anybody who designed the fr hardware in here? |
| 21:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | even between devices of same revision it depends on your particular setup, incl which provider you use etc |
| 21:34.26 | Gabrys | DocScrutinizer you mean each FreeRunner is different or each batch of FreeRunners or what? |
| 21:34.48 | Gabrys | so why standard phones just work? :D |
| 21:35.14 | rooly | they don't, Gabrys |
| 21:35.34 | rooly | i have just as much volume issues with the standard nokia candybar phone as i do with the freerunner |
| 21:35.53 | Gabrys | hey, I got like 6 different phones using 3 different network providers and they where just working nicely |
| 21:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: many thanks for putting that straight |
| 21:36.08 | rooly | the problem with the FR is that most other phones default to too loud |
| 21:36.22 | rooly | whereas the FR defaults to too quiet |
| 21:36.41 | Gabrys | and this is my first phone and I hardly hear people, and they hardly hear me |
| 21:37.02 | rooly | like i said |
| 21:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | so what's the issue? You got a volume knob on nearly every standard phone |
| 21:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | which you can set to "too low" as well |
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| 21:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | and you have volume controls in FR (admittedly extremely clumsy) |
| 21:37.59 | rooly | okay, k9 does push |
| 21:38.05 | Gabrys | sure, and I don't have a volume knob in FR and I have 62 settings for audio |
| 21:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | which you should set to meet your taste |
| 21:38.09 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: i think if you have the stupid capacitors in place it's impossible to adjust the volume to make it high enough for some noisy environments. |
| 21:38.35 | Gabrys | if I have just two sliders one for speaker volume and the second for mic volume |
| 21:38.39 | Gabrys | I would be just happy :) |
| 21:38.50 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: there will be thing like that in the upcoming unstable. |
| 21:39.16 | Gabrys | is this app already available, I would love to test it |
| 21:39.23 | rooly | and testing push while suspended... |
| 21:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | Gabrys: #4 and #5 (iirc) - that makes exactly 2 |
| 21:39.54 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: grab tests/mrmoku images then |
| 21:40.29 | rooly | oh snap |
| 21:40.43 | Gabrys | ah, android does not suspend well |
| 21:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: though I really have some doubts TAsn and crew got it right to use the correct controls for the sliders |
| 21:41.01 | Gabrys | when in suspend it won't get up on new call or message |
| 21:41.03 | rooly | Gabrys, you are quite right about k9 |
| 21:41.09 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 21:41.10 | rooly | push, even while suspended |
| 21:41.13 | Gabrys | so I doubt it will work on network activity |
| 21:41.19 | Gabrys | that's nice, then! |
| 21:41.19 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, oh, your doubts are correct. |
| 21:41.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: if they get the UI right, changing it to use the right controls will be easy :) |
| 21:41.29 | TAsn | We got it COMPLETELY wrong :) |
| 21:41.35 | TAsn | I just guessed. |
| 21:41.42 | rooly | Gabrys, it wakes up fine on call and message |
| 21:41.43 | TAsn | without even checking the schematics |
| 21:41.44 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ack |
| 21:41.49 | TAsn | as it's set from a config file |
| 21:42.00 | TAsn | so you can play with that if you want. |
| 21:42.06 | Gabrys | rooly: are your completely sure it's suspended and not just screen-faded? |
| 21:42.21 | TAsn | /etc/libphoneui.conf |
| 21:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: that's great to hear |
| 21:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:42.27 | rooly | Gabrys, yes, i am completely sure |
| 21:42.45 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, that it can be set from a config? or that I guessed the values? :) |
| 21:42.53 | rooly | there's a distinct pop when the FR suspends |
| 21:42.56 | rooly | and wakes up |
| 21:43.01 | TAsn | I'll also add to the config some tuning options |
| 21:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: the config part |
| 21:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's almost what I suggested to you |
| 21:43.23 | TAsn | like choosing the lower and upper limits for volume (in db) instead of taking the defined control values |
| 21:43.43 | TAsn | as we may want to limit the range |
| 21:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: good thought |
| 21:44.23 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I didn't think about it in advance, I only thought about it after I noticed that below a certain value I hear nothing :) |
| 21:44.29 | rooly | Gabrys, would you like me to send you an sms to be sure? |
| 21:45.19 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, Though I'll probably need your (you and PaulFertser's) help choosing the correct control and maybe setting the rest of the controls correctly so modifying the chosen controls will be the right way. |
| 21:45.54 | Gabrys | rooly: I can send it myself ;-) |
| 21:46.00 | rooly | lol |
| 21:46.02 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I also considered about creating an alsa software master control and control that, what do you think about that? I think that'll be easiest for me to handle. |
| 21:46.14 | Gabrys | I have second phone and internet-sms services ;-) |
| 21:46.16 | TAsn | (although all the code for what I just described is correct) |
| 21:46.25 | TAsn | s/is correct/exists/ |
| 21:46.26 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: sure. But for now simply refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls |
| 21:47.07 | rooly | if your gonna make an alsa volume control, make sure it can get louder than 11 |
| 21:47.15 | rooly | cause the FR is really quiet |
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| 21:47.34 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I know that. |
| 21:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: there you find ""Control 5: "Mono Playback Volume" (alsamixer name: "Mono" Value: as needed)"" for mic |
| 21:47.38 | rooly | i still have trouble hearing when any background noise is around |
| 21:47.41 | TAsn | though I don't know wich one to use. |
| 21:47.54 | TAsn | as there are multiple options |
| 21:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: and ""Control 4: "Speaker Playback Volume" "" for earpiece |
| 21:48.06 | TAsn | for each, and there probably some modifications needed |
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| 21:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: the "as needed" part is the buzzword here |
| 21:48.44 | TAsn | ATM I use Headphone Playback Volume |
| 21:48.45 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:48.48 | rooly | dude |
| 21:48.55 | rooly | push is going to destroy my battery life on this phone |
| 21:49.13 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, and what about mic? |
| 21:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: SEE ABOVE |
| 21:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: sorry capslock |
| 21:50.09 | TAsn | the wiki page? |
| 21:50.10 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-08 22:47:35] <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: there you find ""Control 5: "Mono Playback Volume" (alsamixer name: "Mono" Value: as needed)"" for mic |
| 21:50.25 | TAsn | there are 4 options each. |
| 21:50.30 | TAsn | oh, didn't notice the |
| 21:50.31 | TAsn | for mic |
| 21:50.32 | TAsn | part :) |
| 21:50.49 | TAsn | cool enough. |
| 21:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: the headphones playback is for speakerphone and wired headset |
| 21:52.12 | rooly | okay |
| 21:52.13 | rooly | well |
| 21:52.20 | rooly | won't be getting calls when suspended |
| 21:52.22 | rooly | thats for sure |
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| 21:52.26 | rooly | that was impossibly slow |
| 21:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | so whenever you switch to speakerphone it's correct to use that control for volume |
| 21:52.56 | TAsn | [alsa_control_speaker] |
| 21:52.57 | TAsn | speaker = Headphone Playback Volume |
| 21:53.02 | TAsn | [alsa_control_handset] |
| 21:53.02 | TAsn | speaker = Speaker Playback Volume |
| 21:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: mic (#5) stays the same though |
| 21:53.04 | TAsn | correct, right? |
| 21:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:53.27 | daniele_athome | hello |
| 21:53.36 | TAsn | ok, those the values I chose :) |
| 21:53.49 | TAsn | So I guessed (remembered) correctly |
| 21:53.53 | TAsn | only missed with mic |
| 21:54.21 | TAsn | what about headset and bt? |
| 21:54.27 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, ^ |
| 21:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: you're sooo cool :-D |
| 21:54.40 | TAsn | think TAsn is AWESOME! :D |
| 21:54.43 | TAsn | j/k :) |
| 21:54.52 | rooly | okay |
| 21:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | headset is same as speakerphone |
| 21:55.05 | rooly | standard tests completed, didn't manage to try multiple incoming calls |
| 21:55.07 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, for both? |
| 21:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | wired hs |
| 21:55.21 | TAsn | meant for both speaker and mic? |
| 21:55.26 | rooly | android sms works, normal and suspend |
| 21:55.29 | TAsn | (that's what I did actually, just making sure) |
| 21:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | yep for mic sensitivity and playback vokume |
| 21:55.45 | TAsn | and bt? |
| 21:55.50 | rooly | android call works, normal and suspend, but suspend takes so long to load up phone app you might as well just wait and call back |
| 21:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | for bt that's a really completely different story |
| 21:55.59 | TAsn | is that a different sound card? |
| 21:56.05 | TAsn | I remembered something different. :| |
| 21:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | though basically same probably, for mic |
| 21:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: nah, no different card |
| 21:57.08 | TAsn | oh, just different DAC settings |
| 21:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | (for mono headset (SDP??)) |
| 21:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:57.17 | TAsn | iirc. |
| 21:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | for standard GSM you dn't have *any* DAC |
| 21:57.53 | TAsn | yep. |
| 21:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | for BT you do |
| 21:58.12 | TAsn | actually I do, as I have the call recorder on ;] |
| 21:58.15 | TAsn | but that's just me. |
| 21:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's also a different story |
| 21:59.13 | TAsn | ok, committed the different config. |
| 21:59.17 | TAsn | shit. |
| 21:59.27 | TAsn | forgot to pull ;] |
| 22:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: are you doing a alsactl store after a mixer adjustment? |
| 22:00.25 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, not yet. |
| 22:00.56 | TAsn | I also don't listen to changes in volume (not set my me) |
| 22:01.07 | TAsn | (for instance from alsamixer) |
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| 22:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's a minor issue |
| 22:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | as it usually just won't happen |
| 22:01.26 | TAsn | I do listen, I just don't call the handle callbacks function :) |
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| 22:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | but you want to make changes persistent between calls |
| 22:01.42 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, actually it happens a lot (because of a race) |
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| 22:01.57 | TAsn | when I request the framework to change the scenario |
| 22:02.06 | TAsn | I probe the current volume |
| 22:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 22:02.18 | TAsn | and I get the volume set in stereoout :) |
| 22:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | i c |
| 22:02.31 | TAsn | yeah.. well I have most of it written (the listening to changes part) |
| 22:02.41 | TAsn | only thing left is adding it to glib mainloop in a sane manner. |
| 22:03.38 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, cool, new values work :) |
| 22:04.11 | rooly | woo hoo |
| 22:04.17 | rooly | almost done with git download of android |
| 22:04.32 | rooly | tomorrow, i start parsing it to recompile using 320x240 resolution |
| 22:04.53 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, oh, good thing you are here |
| 22:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: I repeat my suggestion to call a arbitrary executable (possibly script for now) like "audio-helper gimme-name-of-control speakerphone-playback" and use the stdout of that call instead of your config file values |
| 22:04.55 | TAsn | I wanted to ask you |
| 22:05.15 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I'll explain why not in a moment. |
| 22:05.21 | TAsn | oh |
| 22:05.23 | TAsn | no reason why not. |
| 22:05.29 | TAsn | but why yes? |
| 22:05.50 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, anyhow, now that you are here, I forgot what I wanted to ask :| |
| 22:05.53 | DocScrutinizer | because that function will be "future safe" |
| 22:05.56 | TAsn | and it was damn important to be honest. |
| 22:06.14 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, what's not safe about a config file? |
| 22:06.23 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, to tell you the truth, changing it atm is too much work. |
| 22:07.04 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, Oh! I remember what I wanted. what's the sanest way to do an alsactl store? system()? :| |
| 22:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | sure, why not system() |
| 22:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | but the sanest way was to do "audio-helper store-name-of-control speakerphone-playback" |
| 22:08.29 | TAsn | because... it's ugly. :) |
| 22:08.33 | TAsn | hehe :) |
| 22:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:08.43 | pbaxter | rooly: android market apps work on android port FR; we just need some libraries that are not opensource and are compiled for armv5 |
| 22:08.47 | pbaxter | that's the problem |
| 22:08.55 | TAsn | with that I agree. |
| 22:09.04 | TAsn | We should definitely just modify one value |
| 22:09.09 | TAsn | instead of destroying the whole state |
| 22:09.16 | TAsn | if someone maliciously changed a state for us :) |
| 22:09.26 | rooly | pbaxter, yeah, i know |
| 22:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | that's the whle point of the suggested call to external executable |
| 22:09.55 | rooly | pbaxter, however, freerunner android does not have specifically the 'market' app |
| 22:10.13 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, yep. |
| 22:10.30 | TAsn | but I'm too busy to write that small script :) |
| 22:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | using system() for THAT doesn't look like much work to me |
| 22:10.40 | TAsn | will probably have to wait 2 weeks (after my next test) |
| 22:10.45 | rooly | okay |
| 22:10.47 | rooly | time to head out |
| 22:10.49 | rooly | bye guys |
| 22:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: *I* will write the script |
| 22:10.58 | pbaxter | rooly: there's a way to install it |
| 22:11.00 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, :) |
| 22:11.01 | pbaxter | but it doesn't work |
| 22:11.04 | pbaxter | bye rooly |
| 22:11.06 | rooly | i need tests to run for my android |
| 22:11.18 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I only need changing one line in a state file |
| 22:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: *you* just need to call it |
| 22:11.26 | rooly | pbaxter, btw, why not run the FR in 320x240 |
| 22:11.26 | TAsn | you should read the state path from /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 22:11.42 | TAsn | and get a controlname statename value from me :) |
| 22:12.02 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, please don't force me to do any bigger changes than that. :) |
| 22:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | TAsn: state files will vanish - eventually - possibly |
| 22:12.15 | rooly | it would be orders of magnitude faster than it currently is |
| 22:12.21 | pbaxter | rooly: read googlegroup of android-of-freerunner |
| 22:12.31 | pbaxter | rooly: they were talking about 320x240 |
| 22:12.34 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I hope that as well. |
| 22:12.40 | TAsn | Though I wasn't talking about state files |
| 22:12.42 | TAsn | but about states. |
| 22:12.47 | pbaxter | bye going afk |
| 22:12.48 | TAsn | gsmheadset |
| 22:12.52 | TAsn | will stay as a state |
| 22:13.03 | TAsn | forever, even after we'll drop state files. |
| 22:13.12 | TAsn | I want to pass. |
| 22:13.30 | TAsn | gsmhandset "Mono Speaker Playback" 23 |
| 22:13.36 | TAsn | :) |
| 22:13.51 | TAsn | or if you want to |
| 22:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | you wouldn't even need to pass the value |
| 22:13.59 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, oh, right. :) |
| 22:14.11 | TAsn | so yeah, just state and control. :) |
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| 22:31.58 | pbaxter | bye all |
| 22:33.39 | brian_ | my shr has a volume knob |
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| 22:34.17 | brian_ | but it wont connect to att:) |
| 22:36.42 | sicu | att? |
| 22:36.56 | brian_ | & |
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| 23:54.26 | Gabrys | I have mrmoku running |
| 23:54.42 | Gabrys | is there "the GSM-sound setting app"? |
| 23:55.41 | max_posedon | during call there is some sliders |
| 23:56.44 | Gabrys | GSM is not connected :/ |
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