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| 05:48.00 | sudharsh | sudharsh, hmm, i have been hanging out there for a loong time :( |
| 05:48.07 | sudharsh | oops FAIL :P |
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| 11:58.44 | jonwil | hi |
| 11:58.49 | jonwil | anyone here understand ARM assembly? |
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| 12:13.16 | lindi- | jonwil: i do |
| 12:14.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: Is there anything you can't do? I'm starting to run low on my list of 'things I've not seen lindi- involved in' |
| 12:14.27 | jonwil | I am trying to reverse engineer some ARM code |
| 12:14.31 | jonwil | from an ARM binary |
| 12:14.43 | jonwil | The symbol table says the function is PVFS::Hash(char const*, int) |
| 12:14.44 | lindi- | jonwil: hmm, be careful |
| 12:14.59 | jonwil | careful about what? |
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| 12:15.19 | lindi- | jonwil: staying legal and non-tainted |
| 12:15.46 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: heh |
| 12:16.13 | jonwil | Its a hash algorithim used to turn filenames into hashes (the hashes are stored in an archive type file that this game stores its data in) |
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| 12:16.43 | lindi- | jonwil: how is this related to openmoko or free software? :/ |
| 12:17.15 | jonwil | true, its not, I just asked in places I thought people who knew ARM would hang out |
| 12:17.36 | jonwil | :P |
| 12:17.52 | lindi- | jonwil: i'm just very careful about touching proprietary stuff, you never know what problems that can cause :) |
| 12:18.06 | jonwil | true |
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| 12:40.19 | jonwil | hmmm, ARM assembly doesnt seem that hard vs x86 |
| 12:40.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | I hear its somethign to do with the relative lack of suck in arm vs x86 ;) |
| 12:41.56 | jonwil | first confusing thing I see is these instructions with more than 2 operands |
| 12:42.04 | jonwil | like adds r2,r1,#0 |
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| 13:08.58 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: what's wrong with arm asm :) |
| 13:09.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: I dunno, is there anything wrong with it? :) |
| 13:10.17 | thrashold | Eh, it's asm? :P |
| 13:10.45 | d1b | what thrashold said :) |
| 13:11.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 13:12.48 | d1b | if only i could understand the alsa states :) |
| 13:12.49 | d1b | hehehe |
| 13:13.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | < amboar> ARM is dead easy compared to x86 |
| 13:13.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | < amboar> ARM is like a fucking oasis in the desert compared to x86 |
| 13:13.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | < amboar> *crawl* *choke* "waaaterrrrr" |
| 13:13.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | I got a 2nd opinion on arm asm ;) |
| 13:13.36 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: seems easier than alsa hehehe. |
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| 13:14.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: hehe |
| 13:14.28 | d1b | mm when is the next SHR release... |
| 13:14.38 | d1b | or should i just upgrade my unstable? |
| 13:14.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | dunno, by my FR is working too nicely atm. |
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| 13:15.35 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: on which distro? |
| 13:15.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: SHR unstable (largely used as a GPS, I can't afford a 2nd sim to get it online :( ) |
| 13:16.08 | d1b | i just ordered a new battery as my current one is totally gone. |
| 13:16.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ouch |
| 13:16.30 | d1b | was cheaper to get from the EU than the US |
| 13:16.32 | d1b | :) |
| 13:16.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: do you flog the device, or the battery life is poor? |
| 13:16.47 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: 30 mins of wifi -> DEAD |
| 13:16.58 | d1b | i have used it as a phone for a while now. |
| 13:17.03 | d1b | it ias been to vietnam etc. |
| 13:17.06 | d1b | has* |
| 13:17.15 | d1b | so it is time for a new battery. |
| 13:17.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | fair effort. I've not tried wifi on it |
| 13:17.44 | d1b | oh. |
| 13:17.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | only ever used usb networking. (wifi has been enabled at times, but not "used" in any serious sense) |
| 13:18.02 | d1b | also the "chart / discharge" when plugged in sucks. |
| 13:18.10 | d1b | orly. |
| 13:18.14 | d1b | i prefer wifi to usb |
| 13:18.23 | d1b | except when i use it to get netz via gprs. |
| 13:19.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | I've largely used usb because it provides power at the same time. I'm thinking of hacking up a charge circuit in my car and enabling the wifi |
| 13:19.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | wifi+laptop with wifi+gps+gprs== epic win |
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| 13:21.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | the "only" problem with laptops (other then being another drain on the cars electric system) is the amount of RF they put out drowning the radio frequencies :( |
| 13:21.30 | d1b | ok. |
| 13:21.41 | d1b | oh.. |
| 13:22.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, I have several car projects 'in planning' :) |
| 13:23.58 | d1b | k |
| 13:25.01 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm, what are you doing with the laptop in car? |
| 13:26.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: atm? being annoyed by all the cables. the plan? to do 'some' (osm) gps trailing and or in car navigation |
| 13:26.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: further down the track (over 12 months down) perhaps some funky ham stuff, if i get my licence upgrades at some point. |
| 13:27.00 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, i've done both :) |
| 13:27.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: hahaha. ref my question before :p |
| 13:27.17 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: navit works in both my laptop and phone |
| 13:28.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Navit on my laptop worked ok, except the zoom in/out markers 'didnt show'. the default gui for navit on the FR drives me nuts. i can't get the darn thing to configure (or do proper routing) |
| 13:28.17 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: we just connected the audio to the car speakers |
| 13:28.37 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: navit configuration is indeed hard :) |
| 13:29.20 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: i can throw you navit.xml that works with debian unstable version of navit |
| 13:29.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: I like navit, but the configuration makes me angry :) not tried jacking the laptop into the car speakers, that comes after anotehr (yes... another...) project i have planned |
| 13:30.17 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: you use shr? |
| 13:30.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: hopefully my config from 0.1.1.somethign~snapshot.foobar still works on whatevers current |
| 13:30.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: unstable, yes (not updated recently, anotehr todo item) |
| 13:30.36 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: navit changes fast |
| 13:30.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: aye. |
| 13:31.16 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: does it find streets for you? |
| 13:31.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: I like navit project. I had a whinge to the dev and < 7 minutes later my bug was fixed |
| 13:31.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: sorry, brb |
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| 13:33.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: when i had it on my laptop, it did. the 'freerunner gui' no, i cant figure it out |
| 13:33.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: partly because it insists its in the USA |
| 13:35.15 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: wrong LANG |
| 13:35.26 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: you need to set LANG to your country or navit won't find streets :) |
| 13:35.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: I didn't have an option when setting up the FR :( |
| 13:35.50 | lindi- | "LANG=fi_FI navit" |
| 13:36.03 | lindi- | is what I have in .icewm/menu |
| 13:36.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 13:37.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | that would be a step in the right direction |
| 13:37.45 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: it's a navit "bug/feature" |
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| 13:38.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: as a rule, I'd consider it a feature. I think the bug is the FR forcing me to have en_US as my locale :( |
| 13:38.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/FR/SHR |
| 13:38.27 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: i also wrote standlone program for searching streets. iki.fi/lindi/osm/osm-search/screenshots |
| 13:39.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | that would be a great domain for tcp-over-dns </totally random OT> |
| 13:39.12 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: since navit does not find streets that are not inside some city border or streets that are somehow incorrectly tagged |
| 13:39.42 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: iki.fi does eternal email and web forwarding only :) |
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| 13:40.22 | lindi- | Kamping_Kaiser: (i.e. their goal is to be around forever so I don't need to change my email address ever) |
| 13:40.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: thats pretty cool. |
| 13:40.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | lindi-: those screenshots are almost enough to make me reconsider my default desktop |
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| 13:41.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | (I'm a bit moody.... I've not booted Debian on my FR since I switched to QI, and lost the ability to boot it) |
| 13:42.26 | lindi- | haven't really polished anything, i just listed the commands I use most often in ~/.icewm/menu |
| 13:42.53 | lindi- | and that osm-search is just a few lines of python to do fast searching from an sqlite database |
| 13:43.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | One day I'll be one of those people who cascually toss together a python script >.> |
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| 13:53.15 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: push aux + power on |
| 13:53.20 | d1b | and you get the menu anyways... no |
| 13:56.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: won't boot my SD though. might have to reinstall it :( |
| 13:57.41 | d1b | oh... |
| 13:57.58 | d1b | ext2 / fat32 /foo for boot ? |
| 13:58.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | no idea. a debian install that worked with u-boot, which doesn't work now |
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| 14:12.34 | IsSuE- | hi! |
| 14:13.27 | IsSuE- | can anyone help me flashing Qi to my freerunner? I always get that error: Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 14:13.27 | IsSuE- | No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" |
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| 16:45.50 | pieterc | seen panicking |
| 16:45.57 | pieterc | apt: seen panicking |
| 16:45.59 | apt | panicking <n=Michael@77.224.194.88> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 3d 20h 31m 42s ago, saying: 'yes but ask to the and2moko channel'. |
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| 17:53.47 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know who maintains dfu-util? i have a one line patch :P |
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| 18:10.40 | goodwill | so my freerunner stopped turning on |
| 18:10.47 | goodwill | its kinda a bummer |
| 18:11.09 | goodwill | no matter if it plugged in or not |
| 18:11.13 | goodwill | could it be a battery issue? |
| 18:11.16 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: Did you do anything to it, and do you own a voltmeter, or a rocket launcher? |
| 18:11.23 | goodwill | nothing |
| 18:11.26 | goodwill | I did nto thing |
| 18:11.35 | goodwill | I did not do a thing |
| 18:11.48 | goodwill | did not take it apart or anything |
| 18:12.02 | goodwill | is the battery required for it to be turned on |
| 18:12.15 | SpeedEvil | It's a FR, not a neo1973? |
| 18:12.18 | SpeedEvil | In that case, no |
| 18:12.20 | goodwill | a FR |
| 18:12.24 | SpeedEvil | First try another cable. |
| 18:12.31 | SpeedEvil | With the battery out |
| 18:12.34 | goodwill | tried 2 different ones |
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| 18:12.52 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: gta02 A5 can't boot without battery |
| 18:13.23 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:13.38 | goodwill | I have one of the earlier models |
| 18:13.47 | goodwill | not sure which revision though |
| 18:13.50 | goodwill | how do I check |
| 18:13.58 | goodwill | A02 |
| 18:14.01 | goodwill | thats it |
| 18:14.12 | goodwill | wait not |
| 18:14.16 | goodwill | wait no |
| 18:14.21 | goodwill | how do I check which revision |
| 18:15.10 | PaulFertser | goodwill: if it doesn't boot you can look up the revision on the pcb when you take the front cover off. |
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| 18:18.18 | goodwill | orry dropped |
| 18:18.31 | goodwill | forger booting |
| 18:18.35 | goodwill | it does nto even turn on |
| 18:19.44 | goodwill | it could be the battery I guess ... I have nto used the moko for some time |
| 18:20.18 | PaulFertser | goodwill: yes, take some charged nokia bl-5c and boot |
| 18:20.24 | PaulFertser | goodwill: connect to usb and then hotswap |
| 18:22.20 | goodwill | hmmm this seem to be documented on a wiki |
| 18:22.55 | PaulFertser | goodwill: indeed |
| 18:23.13 | PaulFertser | goodwill: i think soon A6 will be booting without a battery altogether but it's not ready yet. |
| 18:23.35 | goodwill | according to the wiki it will soon be fixed |
| 18:24.20 | PaulFertser | goodwill: for A5 never since you need battery to boot or you need to retrofit a good capacitor in a proper place. |
| 18:24.44 | goodwill | it fixed in A6 |
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| 19:03.18 | trimegistus | Hello |
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| 19:04.02 | trimegistus | how do i a "Hello World!" in GTK for OpenMoko? |
| 19:04.36 | ndnihil | same way you do hello world in GTK for anything else |
| 19:05.02 | trimegistus | but, how I test my Application in Neo1973 in QEMu ? |
| 19:05.22 | ndnihil | copy it to the phone and run it |
| 19:06.25 | trimegistus | I use QEMU and I have a some diculty to run my app in OM 2007 in QEMU |
| 19:06.32 | trimegistus | you have a solution? |
| 19:06.45 | trimegistus | I'm a newbie |
| 19:06.48 | ndnihil | yep, run it on the phone |
| 19:06.53 | ndnihil | no more qemu problems |
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| 19:07.17 | trimegistus | I have'nt a physical phone |
| 19:07.21 | ndnihil | ah |
| 19:07.25 | trimegistus | only a virtual provided by QEMU |
| 19:07.30 | ndnihil | then run it on any version of linux you have handy |
| 19:07.43 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: yes, running in qemu is rather pointless. |
| 19:07.54 | trimegistus | humm |
| 19:08.09 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: if you want to simulate the full environment just compile it natively and run in a nested X server with 640x480. |
| 19:08.43 | trimegistus | if OpenMoko had a better emulation... |
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| 19:09.02 | ndnihil | you dont really need emulation |
| 19:09.04 | ndnihil | linux is linux |
| 19:09.07 | ndnihil | is linux is linux |
| 19:09.08 | ndnihil | etc... |
| 19:09.14 | trimegistus | humm |
| 19:09.29 | trimegistus | then my GTK Apps for Ubunt run without modification in OpenMoko? |
| 19:09.32 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: why are you guys talking about emulator? what for? |
| 19:09.47 | lindi- | trimegistus: yep |
| 19:10.10 | trimegistus | because I have'nt a physical phone and I'm poor |
| 19:10.17 | lindi- | trimegistus: if you mean Openmoko hardware and not openmoko distro |
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| 19:11.04 | ndnihil | if you want to emulate the performance, just yank out 85% if your RAM and short a few of the CPU pins |
| 19:11.14 | ndnihil | s/if your/of your/ |
| 19:11.53 | trimegistus | lol |
| 19:12.46 | PaulFertser | wonders how the hell to determine from a product specs listed for cheap wifi APs if it supports pptp or not :/ |
| 19:13.16 | PaulFertser | the |
| 19:13.24 | PaulFertser | they |
| 19:13.39 | trimegistus | I trying to call attention of a some bsinessman of my country to OpenMoko |
| 19:13.48 | ndnihil | doh, I forgot something |
| 19:13.49 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 19:14.20 | trimegistus | *businessmans |
| 19:14.33 | trimegistus | but I need show a some results |
| 19:14.34 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: i'm afraid if he doesn't understand gnu/linux and free software then trying to bring attention to OM is useless :( |
| 19:15.16 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: they used to closed solutions, emulator and stuff. They just can not understand that it's almost just like any other pc around: you compile any program for it and it runs. |
| 19:15.50 | lindi- | PaulFertser: minus the kernel patches we have :) |
| 19:15.57 | PaulFertser | Well, FP calculations are emulated, hence very slow, x86 asm optimisations and other stuff like that is useless on arm, etc etc. But it's mostly the same. |
| 19:16.16 | trimegistus | they who? |
| 19:16.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: talking end-user apps here :) |
| 19:16.25 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: telco businessmen |
| 19:16.27 | trimegistus | PaulFertser: they who? |
| 19:16.39 | trimegistus | Ah! ok |
| 19:16.58 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: even nokia doesn't want/can understand what free software is about. |
| 19:17.09 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: you know n770/n800/n810? |
| 19:17.26 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: nokia fucked it up by using quite some proprietary components and an ancient kernel. |
| 19:17.49 | trimegistus | Oh! bad.. |
| 19:18.03 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: guys who compile mainline kernel for it are SOL because wifi doesn't work, reportedely needing some blob recompiled. So ordinary users are forced to use 2.6.21 |
| 19:18.12 | trimegistus | OpenMoko isn't a good option for businessmen? |
| 19:18.27 | lindi- | hmm. boot loader, kernel, ogsmd and gsm0710muxd are the only non-standard programs on my phone that I haven't written myself I think. |
| 19:19.15 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: first of all, OM is EOL already. It still might be good for some niche purposes but only for those who truly understand free software. And i'd say it's unlikely that this particular device would be a good start for those who doesn't yet but wants to learn. |
| 19:20.04 | SpeedEvil | gta02-core is a great phone for those with a spare million or two that they don't want. |
| 19:20.13 | SpeedEvil | (but may be interested in investing) |
| 19:20.22 | trimegistus | EOL? |
| 19:20.27 | trimegistus | En Of Line? |
| 19:20.31 | trimegistus | *End |
| 19:20.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:20.49 | SpeedEvil | The company is not developing more phones. |
| 19:20.53 | SpeedEvil | At least at the moment. |
| 19:20.58 | lindi- | oh and agps-online, fluid.exe, openbmap-logger, triplane, smsl |
| 19:21.00 | trimegistus | oh! |
| 19:21.03 | SpeedEvil | If they make billions fof the wikireader - who knows. |
| 19:21.08 | trimegistus | OpenMoko is dead? |
| 19:21.16 | SpeedEvil | No, it's resting. |
| 19:21.23 | SpeedEvil | It's pining for the fjoords. |
| 19:21.24 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: end of life |
| 19:21.25 | lindi- | trimegistus: openmoko is three things: hardware, company, distro |
| 19:21.50 | trimegistus | Oh! OpenMoko is frozen? |
| 19:21.52 | PaulFertser | lindi-: + community! |
| 19:21.59 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yeah maybe |
| 19:22.36 | PaulFertser | lindi-: in fact community is the only thing that's not dead atm. OM-the-company that released wikireader is not nearly the same that released gta02. |
| 19:22.39 | trimegistus | but, what part? |
| 19:22.53 | lindi- | PaulFertser: well the hardware can still be bought :) |
| 19:23.45 | trimegistus | o suporte de software do openMoko ainda está ativo? |
| 19:23.56 | trimegistus | ops! |
| 19:23.57 | trimegistus | support software OpenMoko is still active? |
| 19:24.06 | lindi- | trimegistus: what does that mean? |
| 19:24.25 | trimegistus | OpenMoko distro still in development? |
| 19:24.54 | PaulFertser | trimegistus: well, there're several distros in development. All community driven. |
| 19:25.45 | trimegistus | humm |
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| 20:01.52 | PaulFertser | Is there anyone around with the main can unmounted ATM? Or anyone who clearly remembers if there is (and how it looks) any insulation between the top can part and parts on the pcb? I can't see any on my photos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix |
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| 20:14.51 | slaxxer | the piece on top of the lid or underneart? |
| 20:15.25 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: the piece insulationg the top part of the can from parts soldered to the pcb. |
| 20:15.53 | slaxxer | inside the can or outside the can |
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| 20:16.14 | slaxxer | theres a small pcb mounted to the outside |
| 20:16.42 | slaxxer | main pcb? |
| 20:19.49 | slaxxer | i have an A6 in my hand |
| 20:20.11 | slaxxer | trying to get the lid off |
| 20:24.13 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: dismounting the main can is quite tricky. |
| 20:24.27 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: i do not recommend to do it unless you're going to do something important inside. |
| 20:24.37 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: the link about the bass fix has the pictures. |
| 20:24.42 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: and yes, inside the can. |
| 20:24.46 | PaulFertser | A6 here too. |
| 20:25.10 | PaulFertser | It takes me ~20 min to dismount factory-mounted can. |
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| 20:25.21 | PaulFertser | (main can, gsm can is easy, 5-10 min) |
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| 21:49.32 | PaulFertser | When i told RANJAN that pics are appreciated i didn't mean he should attach them to the ML mails :((( |
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| 21:50.52 | Jorek | my gsm antenna wont stay on |
| 21:50.58 | Jorek | is this i known problem? |
| 21:51.12 | Jorek | Using the latest version of S |
| 21:51.15 | Jorek | shr |
| 21:52.16 | mwester | glue |
| 21:54.58 | PaulFertser | Jorek: what exactly do you mean? |
| 21:55.51 | PaulFertser | Jorek: gsm antenna should touch the pcb firmly even without screws. With screws it's guaranteed 100% unless you have the pads covered with grease or smth. |
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| 21:59.35 | Jorek | When i turn it on in the phone settings menu... ts stays on for a couple of secs, then it goes to off... |
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| 22:00.42 | PaulFertser | Jorek: you shouldn't turn gsm on/off in the menu, ophonekitd should request it for you. Please read FSO_Resources wikipage to understand this concept. |
| 22:00.52 | PaulFertser | Jorek: then look at ophonekitd errors etc |
| 22:10.51 | Jorek | ok |
| 22:11.33 | Jorek | in the power menu it says that it couldnt connect to fso or phonekitd. maybe that is a part of the problem... |
| 22:13.10 | slaxxer | how do i get the latest shr? |
| 22:13.24 | slaxxer | or is there one? |
| 22:14.31 | max_posedon | slaxxer, http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ |
| 22:14.34 | max_posedon | very latest) |
| 22:15.05 | slaxxer | thank u |
| 22:15.19 | PaulFertser | Jorek: so look at the ophonekitd log or start it manually from command line to diagnose... |
| 22:17.58 | luke-jr | hmmmm... A6 for $90 |
| 22:18.02 | luke-jr | tempting :) |
| 22:18.09 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: where? |
| 22:18.27 | max_posedon | somebody really dislike this ugly linux-open world) |
| 22:18.57 | slaxxer | ebay |
| 22:19.03 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: if I told you, I might not get it... |
| 22:19.06 | luke-jr | slaxxer: ($*#($ :( |
| 22:19.20 | slaxxer | :() |
| 22:19.23 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: :D |
| 22:19.34 | slaxxer | :|| |
| 22:19.44 | luke-jr | next time I won't say anything <.< |
| 22:20.03 | slaxxer | yup |
| 22:20.23 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.32 | slaxxer | 102.50 |
| 22:20.41 | slaxxer | 5 |
| 22:21.09 | slaxxer | what to do with a pair of mokos hmmm |
| 22:21.25 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 22:21.27 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: btw, talking about how nokia is all good and friendly |
| 22:21.29 | luke-jr | slaxxer: donate one to me? |
| 22:21.37 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: do you want to know a story my friend told me? |
| 22:21.41 | max_posedon | yes |
| 22:21.43 | luke-jr | glares at Nokia. |
| 22:21.58 | max_posedon | but if its still about n810, I'll not change my opinion) |
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| 22:22.50 | max_posedon | but want story anyway) |
| 22:23.06 | SpeedEvil | Does it have a kitten in it? |
| 22:23.22 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: he bought a brand-new n810. Was very excited of course. And bought a CF/SD/MS cardreader. That works fine with recent kernels and with windows. But, surprise for you, n810 uses 2.6.21. And n900 doesn't have usb host because they sucked so much that decided to pass some stupid certification and failed. |
| 22:24.00 | max_posedon | n900 haven't usb host?! |
| 22:24.05 | SpeedEvil | n900 may not have USB host. |
| 22:24.11 | SpeedEvil | At the least it requires external power |
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| 22:24.13 | max_posedon | they are f...ing morons |
| 22:24.23 | SpeedEvil | it's not really clear that it's been tested. |
| 22:24.48 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - nobody has come up and said 'I tried it and it diddn't work'. |
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| 22:25.00 | max_posedon | in other case, its nice, right now I don't want n900 anymore) |
| 22:25.03 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: N810 can run Linux-OMAP 2.6.30-rc8 |
| 22:25.17 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: does wifi work with it? |
| 22:25.19 | max_posedon | luke-jr, with how many features missing? |
| 22:25.32 | luke-jr | max_posedon: IIRC, only microphone was broken |
| 22:25.34 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: i've read wifi doesn't work because some fucking firmware blob needs recompiling. |
| 22:25.43 | SpeedEvil | The GPS also possibly too |
| 22:25.47 | SpeedEvil | it's a binary blob |
| 22:25.49 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: you need the original firmware blob, but it worked somewhat IIRC |
| 22:26.07 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, GPS is screwy, but I hacked it enough to get it to work as reliable as with Diablo's kernel |
| 22:26.20 | luke-jr | note 2.6.30-rc8 doesn't run Maemo, just Gentoo :p |
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| 22:26.41 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: great, i think i've found my personal n810 assistant then |
| 22:26.42 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 22:26.43 | SpeedEvil | wonders if his n900 will arrive. |
| 22:26.55 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: I'm probably going to get rid of mine |
| 22:26.59 | luke-jr | it's mostly useless |
| 22:27.34 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: also, Linux-OMAP removed N810 support with the release of 2.6.30 |
| 22:27.40 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: my friend plans to attach "4g"-wimax stick to it and use for SIP-phoning, also he needs to read CF cards from geodesic equipment. |
| 22:28.05 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: he realizes there's a N810 with builtin WiMax? |
| 22:28.06 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: why? |
| 22:28.17 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: the code was ugly and depreciated |
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| 22:28.38 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: 1. nobody knows anything about those. 2. they're not easy to obtain. 3. probably incompatible with our networks. |
| 22:28.48 | luke-jr | :p |
| 22:29.19 | luke-jr | well over here in the real world, there is no such thing as a WiMax network anyway |
| 22:29.20 | luke-jr | so hah |
| 22:29.29 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i bet n900 will suck the same as n810. Tell me, is there any single n900 driver mainline already? |
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| 22:30.00 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: yes, I think there is |
| 22:30.04 | luke-jr | mainline has a RX-51 platform file |
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| 22:30.19 | max_posedon | I don't know exactly, but kernel dev from nokia said that this time, they developed through upstream |
| 22:30.23 | Jorek | ophonekitd wont start. dbus-deamon-launch-helper recived signal 10 |
| 22:30.29 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: we're lucky to have one deployed and it works good enough. Especially given no 3G here (at least for now) because of frequency clashes with military. |
| 22:30.37 | PaulFertser | Jorek: start it manually from the command line |
| 22:30.51 | Jorek | i just did |
| 22:30.58 | Jorek | Thats one of the errors |
| 22:31.43 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: why didn't they push the remaining parts for n810 then? They could afford to pay 1 developer for a 1-2 months so he prepares and sends patches to make it work. It's just about attitude to the customers. |
| 22:32.04 | PaulFertser | Jorek: pastebin the whole output |
| 22:32.33 | max_posedon | because n810 doesn't developed anymore |
| 22:32.46 | max_posedon | and they not interested in good working n810 I think |
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| 22:32.59 | max_posedon | it will stop people from bying new n900 |
| 22:33.07 | PaulFertser | That's not the kind of attitude to the customers i'd call nice. |
| 22:33.34 | PaulFertser | I'd say i'd not buy n900 just because they don't care about n810. Since i'd extrapolate. |
| 22:33.35 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: Nokia makes something then abandons it. |
| 22:33.43 | luke-jr | they don't care beyond the initial investment. |
| 22:34.16 | luke-jr | which would be fine, IMO, if they didn't require blobs |
| 22:34.25 | SpeedEvil | They actively don't want the sort of customers that openmoko did really. |
| 22:34.52 | SpeedEvil | People that even know what a kernel is aren't a really interesting market segment for nokia |
| 22:34.52 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: how do you tell? And why? Too many troubles with "advanced users"? |
| 22:35.00 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 22:36.16 | Jorek | im not able to to that now, but the error line is: Unknown internal dbus error: Process /usr/libexec/dbus-deamon-lunch-helper recived signal 10, 80 (dbus-glib-error-quark, code 26 |
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| 22:46.34 | Snyfer | Hello there :) |
| 22:47.00 | luke-jr | o hai |
| 22:48.48 | Snyfer | I'm new to the OpenMoko and I am curently trying to install a gentoo on my brand new phone :) Unfortunatly I'm getting issues when trying to mount my sd card |
| 22:49.11 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: what kind of? |
| 22:49.59 | Snyfer | I've rewrote the partition table from the phone, and made a ext3 partition, but when I try to mount it I get a "wrong fs type..." error |
| 22:50.19 | Snyfer | dmesg tells me that "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev mmcblk0p2" which is weirf |
| 22:50.25 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: are you talking to me ? |
| 22:50.32 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: sure |
| 22:50.39 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok ok :) |
| 22:50.52 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: any other error messages in dmesg? |
| 22:51.15 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: did you use mkfs.ext2 to prepare the filesystem? |
| 22:51.35 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: yep : "FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors" but that doesn't happen when I try to mount but at boot |
| 22:51.42 | max_posedon | Snyfer, you can't use ext3 on nand |
| 22:51.45 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: I used mkfs.ext3 |
| 22:51.53 | max_posedon | oh, sorry, its uSD |
| 22:52.07 | slaxxer | horray for the pengy |
| 22:52.30 | max_posedon | Snyfer, could you plz show us command by which you create fs |
| 22:52.33 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: so you used mkfs.ext3 on the phone, then tried to mount it and failed? |
| 22:52.42 | max_posedon | and didn't you before repartition you mSD? |
| 22:52.53 | max_posedon | if yes, might be fdisk showed you a message |
| 22:52.58 | Snyfer | max_posedon: of course, mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 22:52.58 | max_posedon | about required reboot |
| 22:52.59 | luke-jr | random unlikely scenario: some cheap flash cards don't work with anything other than FAT |
| 22:53.11 | max_posedon | luke-jr, I don't belive |
| 22:53.45 | Snyfer | max_posedon: yes beofre writing the filesystem to it I rewrote the partition table using fdisk, I made a first partition for the kernel, and a second one which takes the rest |
| 22:53.50 | luke-jr | max_posedon: they try to be "smart" and detect deleted blocks, throwing them into the "free blocks" pool w/o being zeroed explicitly... |
| 22:53.51 | Snyfer | the first partition is fat16 |
| 22:54.11 | max_posedon | Snyfer, did you saw message from fdisk? |
| 22:54.19 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: any place we can read about that advanced stuff? |
| 22:54.28 | slaxxer | i like the boot splash |
| 22:54.30 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: or do you work for some of the manufacturers? ;) |
| 22:54.34 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: yep that's right, I used mkfs on the phone nd try to mount it on the phone |
| 22:54.35 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: there was a detailed post about it on LKML some time |
| 22:54.50 | max_posedon | Snyfer, plz reboot, and come back |
| 22:54.52 | Snyfer | max_posedon: it said that it was writing inodes... etc let me check if there was an error |
| 22:55.02 | Snyfer | max_posedon: I've already rebooted the phone :( |
| 22:55.06 | max_posedon | I'm sure your kernel doesn't reread partion table |
| 22:55.17 | max_posedon | hm. so, try mkfs now, and then mount |
| 22:55.17 | luke-jr | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 |
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| 22:55.24 | Snyfer | max_posedon: ok |
| 22:55.58 | luke-jr | specifically talks about USB flash drives, but probably applies to some extent to any flash disks |
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| 22:56.39 | Snyfer | max_posedon: I got a warning during the mkfs, I think I had it last time too : "ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir" |
| 22:57.19 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: thanks, really interesting read! |
| 22:57.51 | Snyfer | max_posedon: stil doesn't work but there I got lots of error in dmesg :s |
| 22:58.02 | Snyfer | do you want me to pastebin it ? |
| 22:58.07 | max_posedon | so, I suggest start from begging |
| 22:58.11 | max_posedon | from fdisk |
| 22:58.50 | Snyfer | max_posedon: ok |
| 23:00.03 | Snyfer | by the way, if I use the Qi bootloader, I don't have to make the first partition as fat16, right ? |
| 23:00.40 | max_posedon | right |
| 23:00.44 | max_posedon | even more |
| 23:00.49 | max_posedon | you have to ext2 |
| 23:01.04 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i guess the first partition can be left as fat but it'll be unused. |
| 23:01.07 | Snyfer | oh ok I though ext3 was okay |
| 23:01.38 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: Qi reads ext3 as well |
| 23:01.42 | PaulFertser | It doesn't matter. |
| 23:01.50 | max_posedon | Snyfer, but I can say, that gentoo installing on neo, even with distcc will take really long time |
| 23:02.11 | Snyfer | max_posedon: I've already cross-compiled a gentoo on my host pc :) |
| 23:02.23 | Snyfer | max_posedon: just have to untard a homemade stage3 tarball |
| 23:02.46 | max_posedon | oh, lucky you |
| 23:07.24 | Snyfer | still getting some strange errors when trying to make a fs on the partition, I'm gonna make it from a pc. there shouldn't be any hurt right ? |
| 23:07.44 | max_posedon | sure |
| 23:08.07 | Snyfer | thank you for all advices... I really hope I could see gentoo running tonight :) |
| 23:08.13 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: some SD cards require downclocking on FR. |
| 23:09.20 | max_posedon | Snyfer, btw, which phone software you want to use on FR tonight? |
| 23:09.23 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: wow, and do you know any good documentation to do so ? |
| 23:09.27 | max_posedon | or just gentoo in chroot |
| 23:10.06 | Snyfer | max_posedon: i'd like to run a real gentoo, not chrooted :) I've also compiled the kernel |
| 23:10.23 | max_posedon | very nice |
| 23:10.27 | Snyfer | Juste have to copy the whole thing to the phone :) |
| 23:10.30 | max_posedon | I wish you good like) |
| 23:10.32 | Snyfer | Well I hope |
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| 23:10.38 | Snyfer | max_posedon: thank you :) |
| 23:10.43 | Snyfer | max_posedon: have you already done it ? |
| 23:10.47 | max_posedon | nope |
| 23:10.49 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: only glamo-mci kernel driver source. Or just look at /sys/modules/glamo-mci blabla, should be obvious. |
| 23:11.00 | Snyfer | ok thank you PaulFertser |
| 23:11.03 | max_posedon | I year fixing bugs, writing ebuilds, and I'm still using shr) |
| 23:11.06 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: you might also want to increase the drive strength from 0 to 1. |
| 23:11.18 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: if anything's unclear, feel free to ask for clarifications. |
| 23:12.08 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok for the glamo kernel module, but i don't ge what is drive strength ? may you explain it to me ? |
| 23:12.35 | Snyfer | max_posedon: oh ok |
| 23:12.48 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: do you know what pull-up/down is? |
| 23:12.57 | Snyfer | max_posedon: but I won't really use the freerunner as a phone, so i think gentoo is good choice :) |
| 23:13.01 | max_posedon | but it isn't because its not impossible, its because I'm focused on different thing |
| 23:13.12 | max_posedon | some people use gentoo on neo |
| 23:13.20 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: nop sorry |
| 23:13.48 | Snyfer | max_posedon: I hope i'll be one of them soon, but if the phone doesn't really work that's ok for me |
| 23:14.14 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: well, the more the strength the more reliable the communication with the card. But it also will create more interference for the GPS. |
| 23:14.27 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: ok I see |
| 23:14.58 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: and where may I set it ? |
| 23:15.04 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: stregth is approximately about how sharp are edges of the signal. The sharper, the more high-frequency enegry. |
| 23:15.15 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: same place, glamo-mci module parameters. |
| 23:15.45 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: oh ok, thank you very much for the explanations :) |
| 23:15.51 | Snyfer | it's greatly appreceated |
| 23:16.04 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: welcome |
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| 23:19.52 | Snyfer | I understand that having a fat partition as first one on the mmc is sort of compulsory, could you tell me why so ? |
| 23:20.45 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: only if you boot with old u-boot. |
| 23:21.17 | PaulFertser | Snyfer: because it didn't support other FSs |
| 23:21.18 | Snyfer | great :) |
| 23:24.50 | slaxxer | mic an sound slider now is great |
| 23:36.07 | Snyfer | Well, even after creating the whole partition table and fs type from my laptop, I still not able to mount the second partition. The weird thing is that the first one is mounted with no problem :s dmesg tells there are i/o problems so i'm gonna go with the strengh set to 1 to see if it works |
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| 23:39.17 | Jorek | Does anyone have the newest SHR image? Could you please check the build date for me? Mine says 08082009, is this correct? |
| 23:43.48 | Snyfer | PaulFertser: excuse me to bother you again but is there range of acceptables values for the clock rate of the sd card ? |
| 23:44.01 | Snyfer | Jorek: nop sory i can't help |
| 23:46.39 | Jorek | sybren: Okey =) |
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| 23:47.47 | max_posedon | Jorek, shr team produce different images |
| 23:48.12 | max_posedon | some of them may be very unstable, but of course more recent |
| 23:48.28 | max_posedon | you can try http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ |
| 23:50.16 | slaxxer | i have the one wax_ recommended installed |
| 23:50.21 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.25 | Jorek | Okey, I'll look into that. Thanks! |
| 23:50.56 | slaxxer | shetches errors out |
| 23:51.09 | slaxxer | "Sketches" |
| 23:51.27 | slaxxer | phone works |
| 23:51.39 | Jorek | It seems like both ophonekitd and frameworkd struggels with something. I'll post the errors tomorrow. |
| 23:51.40 | slaxxer | has mic slider |
| 23:51.53 | slaxxer | and a voluve slider |
| 23:51.59 | slaxxer | volume |
| 23:52.43 | slaxxer | have debian on sdcard but no phone working |
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