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| 00:15.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: catch up with vala 0.7.8 |
| 00:15.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: * use string templates |
| 00:15.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: * debug output -- |
| 00:16.08 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfb930c48fceb 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: libfsoframework: post-release version bump |
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| 00:21.13 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rda737a832ae8 10/libfsoresource/ (configure.ac fsoresource/Makefile.am): libfsoresource: do not require linux, posix, nor posixextra |
| 00:21.50 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf876f52739a2 10/libfsoresource/configure.ac: libfsoresource: post-release version bump |
| 00:25.23 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4705972a5de2 10/fsogsmd/ (configure.ac src/lib/Makefile.am): fsogsmd: require vala 0.7.8; do not use posix or posixextra |
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| 16:05.08 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsogsmd: 3rdparty: sanitize sms_text_prepare() by creating structures on the heap" |
| 16:05.08 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 939cc6abf46c485cad7104b9d49b59b029e4a394. |
| 16:05.09 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r48726ef22a0c 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: add unit tests for encoding SMSes |
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| 17:12.59 | pieterc | apt: seen paicking |
| 17:13.12 | apt | i haven't seen 'paicking', pieterc |
| 17:13.13 | pieterc | apt: seen panicking |
| 17:13.13 | apt | panicking <n=Michael@77.224.194.88> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 1d 20h 58m 56s ago, saying: 'yes but ask to the and2moko channel'. |
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| 17:47.04 | Zeti | heelo folks |
| 17:47.07 | Zeti | *hello |
| 17:47.38 | Zeti | might somebody have a clue why I don't see my openmoko in ifconfig, though I modprobed the two modules from the wiki? |
| 17:48.12 | Weiss | Zeti: try looking in dmesg, before/after unplugging as well - see if it's even detecting anything |
| 17:49.24 | Zeti | nope nothing |
| 17:49.53 | Zeti | lsusb has it though |
| 17:50.13 | Weiss | hmm.. there should at least be a "device connected" or similar, if it's in lsusb |
| 17:50.55 | Zeti | argh |
| 17:50.59 | Zeti | dmesg |tail -f |
| 17:51.05 | Zeti | doesn't update |
| 17:51.06 | Zeti | -_- |
| 17:51.13 | Zeti | ok |
| 17:51.16 | Zeti | dmesg has it now as well |
| 17:52.01 | Zeti | hmm |
| 17:52.11 | Zeti | -a brings it also up in ifconfig |
| 17:52.25 | Zeti | my wits are on vacation seemingly |
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| 18:04.51 | slaxxer | yaaaaaaaa |
| 18:05.56 | |Marco| | narf ? |
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| 18:09.07 | Zeti | which package does the binary ip belong to? |
| 18:11.23 | lindi- | apt-file to find |
| 18:11.36 | Zeti | i need it for my host |
| 18:11.47 | Zeti | i did with iptables |
| 18:11.58 | Zeti | but my linux doesn't seem to forward my openmoko to the internet |
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| 18:25.47 | lindi- | Zeti: ? |
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| 18:45.05 | slaxxer | zeti which os is on your freerunner |
| 18:46.50 | slaxxer | android shows eth1 here |
| 18:48.54 | Zeti | slaxxer, OpenMoko |
| 18:49.02 | Zeti | I just got it yesterday and it was preinstalled |
| 18:49.13 | Zeti | the actual problem is probably my host not forwarding the packages |
| 18:49.34 | Zeti | might be a kernel module missing or me using ifconfig instead of ip |
| 18:49.36 | Zeti | IÃm not sure |
| 18:50.34 | PaulFertser | Zeti: ifconfig uses the same kernel interfaces in the end. |
| 18:50.48 | PaulFertser | Zeti: check ip_forward setting on the host. |
| 18:50.57 | PaulFertser | Zeti: and inspect your iptables rules |
| 18:51.37 | Zeti | is POSTROUTING a table on its own? |
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| 18:52.08 | lindi- | Zeti: no, "nat", "filter" "mangle" are tables |
| 18:52.25 | lindi- | Zeti: POSTROUTING is a chain |
| 18:52.33 | slaxxer | im taking for granted that u have rebooted atleast once then |
| 18:53.30 | slaxxer | are u using an older linux? |
| 18:53.30 | Zeti | lindi-, yes I mean chain |
| 18:53.44 | Zeti | INPUT FORWARD and OUTPUT are the only ones |
| 18:54.00 | Zeti | so I assume I haven't enabled that part of the module in my kernel settings |
| 18:54.23 | PaulFertser | Zeti: POSTROUTING is in the nat table. |
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| 18:56.00 | Zeti | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.06 | Zeti | and it's a module |
| 18:56.11 | lindi- | POSTROUTING is also in 'mangle' |
| 18:58.32 | Zeti | modprobe nf_nat didn't do it |
| 18:59.45 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes but it's not something he's looking for :) |
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| 19:43.40 | Zeti | PaulFertser, you got a clue how to get that routing running? |
| 19:44.10 | PaulFertser | Zeti: first of all, check your nat table and ensure you have ip_forward enabled. |
| 19:45.50 | Zeti | ip_forward is 1 |
| 19:45.59 | Zeti | where do I find the nat table? |
| 19:47.02 | PaulFertser | iptables -t nat -L -v |
| 19:47.49 | Zeti | it has three rules from me entering three times the command from the wiki |
| 19:48.57 | PaulFertser | Zeti: are counters 0? |
| 19:49.53 | Zeti | 4/6 are zero |
| 19:50.05 | Zeti | that means there went some traffic through that rule I suppose |
| 19:50.44 | Zeti | I still can't ping my rputer from the phone though |
| 19:51.31 | PaulFertser | Zeti: pastebin me "ifconfig -a; route; iptables -t nat -L -v; iptables -L -v" from your host. |
| 19:51.50 | PaulFertser | (yes, i still can't remember "ip" syntax by heart :-/) |
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| 19:53.55 | Zeti | there is some foreign language in there |
| 19:54.00 | Zeti | feel free to ask me for translations |
| 19:54.52 | PaulFertser | Zeti: ok, give me link :) |
| 19:55.22 | Zeti | I noticed it to you |
| 19:55.34 | Zeti | 2min ago |
| 19:55.36 | Zeti | mom |
| 19:55.37 | PaulFertser | Zeti: (foreign language) hehe, it's not like i use my native all the time |
| 19:55.45 | Zeti | I'll make a query |
| 19:55.47 | PaulFertser | Zeti: see that |
| 19:55.54 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i meant i see the linke |
| 19:56.00 | Zeti | ah |
| 19:56.04 | Zeti | now you got it twice |
| 19:56.45 | Zeti | russian I suppose? |
| 19:58.53 | PaulFertser | Zeti: yes |
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| 19:59.39 | PaulFertser | Zeti: so you can ping FR from your host and you can ping your host from FR but you can't ping router from FR, right? |
| 20:00.10 | Zeti | FR = OPenMoko? |
| 20:00.51 | Zeti | I can also ping my hosts other card from the phone if that asys something |
| 20:01.12 | PaulFertser | Zeti: also "sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward" should report "1". |
| 20:01.17 | PaulFertser | Zeti: FreeRunner, yes |
| 20:01.27 | Zeti | from my limited knowledge the host isn't forwarding |
| 20:01.30 | Zeti | ah |
| 20:01.32 | Zeti | makes sense |
| 20:01.35 | Zeti | it does btw |
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| 20:02.13 | Zeti | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 20:02.50 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i think i know the reason |
| 20:03.58 | PaulFertser | Zeti: try changing source address in the rule from 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.0.202 |
| 20:04.58 | PaulFertser | Zeti: "iptables -t nat -F" beforehand |
| 20:06.07 | Zeti | sry |
| 20:06.13 | Zeti | can you give me the com plete line? |
| 20:06.58 | PaulFertser | Zeti: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:07.00 | PaulFertser | I guess |
| 20:07.33 | Zeti | nope |
| 20:07.36 | Zeti | still no ping |
| 20:08.27 | PaulFertser | Zeti: what about counters? I'd also try tcpdump on host on both usb0 and eth0 interfaces, it should make it clear what's going on |
| 20:09.25 | Zeti | still only the one counter from before |
| 20:09.38 | Zeti | I'll install tcpdump |
| 20:09.40 | Zeti | gimme a sec |
| 20:11.48 | PaulFertser | Zeti: hm, did you actually flush the table before adding the new rule? |
| 20:12.31 | Zeti | ehm no |
| 20:13.38 | PaulFertser | Zeti: only the first rule in the chain that matches the packet is effective, that's how they work |
| 20:15.56 | Zeti | nope |
| 20:16.05 | Zeti | no routerpinging and no counter increasing |
| 20:16.33 | PaulFertser | Zeti: so do tcpdumping |
| 20:16.58 | Zeti | gotta install it first |
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| 20:21.13 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i don't like how your subnetworks clash, probably that might give problems but i don't see exactly how yet. You might want to use a stricter mask for usb0, i.e. 255.255.255.252 |
| 20:22.58 | Zeti | i already switched to *.224 somewhere in the middle |
| 20:23.42 | Wonka | i run quite well with a /30 here |
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| 20:31.15 | Zeti | ok |
| 20:31.20 | Zeti | I'll increase to thirty |
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| 20:37.46 | PaulFertser | Zeti: so tcpdump results should show you what's happening, is your host something special that you can't do simple "apt-get install tcpdump"? |
| 20:37.58 | Zeti | jep |
| 20:38.03 | Zeti | it's gentoo :-) |
| 20:38.14 | Zeti | anyway |
| 20:38.21 | Zeti | I just encountered one of their blocks |
| 20:38.31 | Zeti | *blocking issues |
| 20:38.36 | PaulFertser | just "broken" his gentoo install by trying to move to modular x.org. Now he has no xorg whatsover and no idea how to install one. |
| 20:38.51 | Zeti | emerge? |
| 20:39.26 | PaulFertser | sees so much x11-libs/blablabla blocks x11-proto/blablabl issues that it doesn't seem to be easy :( |
| 20:39.38 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, its easy |
| 20:39.44 | max_posedon | remove all blocking stuff |
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| 20:39.54 | max_posedon | full emerge X is only about 1hour |
| 20:39.58 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i tried |
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| 20:40.41 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i can't remerge python even and that is needed for the recent gentoolkit |
| 20:41.03 | Zeti | I managed to uninstall my coreutils once :-D |
| 20:41.05 | PaulFertser | It's not that i'm that dumb, i just didn't have enough time |
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| 21:15.46 | Zeti | well doesn't seem to happen today |
| 21:16.00 | Zeti | PaulFertser, you're around here sometime tomorrow? |
| 21:19.23 | PaulFertser | Zeti: i hope so |
| 21:19.34 | PaulFertser | Zeti: still problems emerging tcpdump? |
| 21:24.36 | Zeti | yes |
| 21:24.45 | Zeti | the problem is about emerging qt-core |
| 21:25.02 | Zeti | the bug tracker says its not a problem with emerge but paludis which I'm using |
| 21:25.09 | Zeti | so I'm a victim of crossfire |
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| 21:37.06 | radekp | btw my current status of 2.6.31: it's generally smaller and faster then andy-tracking, i cant resume after suspend, scrolling is not smooth during mouse motion events, havent figured out qvga and glamo acceleration |
| 21:37.55 | PaulFertser | radekp: resume should work... |
| 21:38.05 | radekp | if resume worked i would like to use it daily |
| 21:38.08 | PaulFertser | radekp: with other points you might want to ask larsc |
| 21:38.46 | radekp | PaulFertser: hi, hmm i cant resume it neither with power button nor plugging USB |
| 21:40.25 | radekp | PaulFertser: do you have any idea about the resume? Maybe i am missing something in config? |
| 21:40.41 | PaulFertser | radekp: i'll try that myself in a moment |
| 21:41.00 | radekp | oki, thanks |
| 21:41.21 | PaulFertser | radekp: i assume you do not have a debug board, do you? |
| 21:41.34 | radekp | no i dont :( |
| 21:43.54 | PaulFertser | radekp: confirmed, it doesn't resume here |
| 21:44.22 | PaulFertser | radekp: or not |
| 21:44.28 | PaulFertser | radekp: it responds to pings |
| 21:45.24 | PaulFertser | larsc: did you have any resume problems you fixed? I lack dboard too :( |
| 21:49.41 | larsc | PaulFertser: resume with sd is still broken |
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| 21:51.00 | larsc | if you boot from nand it works |
| 21:51.29 | PaulFertser | larsc: ahem, ok |
| 21:51.33 | radekp | for me it does not work from nand |
| 21:52.13 | radekp | for some reason :( |
| 21:52.16 | larsc | oh |
| 21:52.19 | larsc | hm |
| 21:53.13 | larsc | damm. doesn't work for me either |
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| 22:54.29 | luke-jr | so someone mentioned an update that might make Freerunner usable as a normal phone? |
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| 22:55.29 | lord-carlos | the updated is called "android" |
| 22:55.35 | lord-carlos | :> |
| 22:56.06 | luke-jr | ... |
| 22:56.17 | max_posedon | shr from mrmoko-testing |
| 22:56.46 | luke-jr | max_posedon: does it work well, then? |
| 22:56.54 | luke-jr | or are there still some issues? |
| 22:56.56 | max_posedon | yes for me |
| 22:57.06 | luke-jr | I had been led to believe Freerunner problems were hardware |
| 22:57.07 | luke-jr | no? |
| 22:57.21 | max_posedon | after I switched to new phone* stuff instead ophonekitd.. |
| 22:57.34 | max_posedon | hm, you know, software is bigger problem than hardware) |
| 22:57.54 | luke-jr | but software is fixable :) |
| 22:58.08 | luke-jr | I pay for hardware, not software. |
| 22:58.10 | max_posedon | hardware is fixable too |
| 22:58.21 | luke-jr | hardware is only fixable to a very limited extent :/ |
| 22:58.25 | max_posedon | neo have 4 hardware bugs, 3 of them is fixable |
| 22:58.54 | luke-jr | and the 4th? |
| 22:59.09 | PaulFertser | and the 4th will make you cry at nights |
| 22:59.14 | luke-jr | buzz-fix is one of the 3, I presume, and not a complete fix.. |
| 22:59.15 | PaulFertser | Other than that it's ok |
| 22:59.20 | luke-jr | what is the 4th? |
| 22:59.52 | max_posedon | buzz-fix, #1024-fix, bass-fix <- fixable |
| 23:00.00 | max_posedon | glamo bus speed - not fixable |
| 23:00.10 | luke-jr | is that the slow display thing? |
| 23:00.12 | PaulFertser | wifi firmware - not fixable |
| 23:00.28 | luke-jr | wifi firmware has a problem? O.o |
| 23:00.39 | max_posedon | luke-jr, yep, slow display - because of glamo |
| 23:00.54 | luke-jr | is it really that slow, if I just want it as a phone? |
| 23:00.59 | max_posedon | wifi firmware.. not unusable, but yes, sometimes will make you cry |
| 23:01.01 | luke-jr | no video or such |
| 23:01.06 | max_posedon | 15fps |
| 23:01.12 | max_posedon | may be 10 |
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| 23:01.21 | luke-jr | I used to watch video at 3fps :p |
| 23:01.27 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: i think as a phone it's perfectly ok. |
| 23:01.37 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: but wifi firmware has several confirmed bugs |
| 23:01.42 | luke-jr | my thoughts are OpenMoko + Pandora |
| 23:01.49 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: that said it still works with most APs |
| 23:01.56 | luke-jr | why couldn't the firmware be fixed, anyhow? |
| 23:02.22 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: Atheros acts all weird. They do not really admit bugs and do not provide any way to update firmware. |
| 23:02.42 | luke-jr | ah, not loaded into RAM, but flashed? |
| 23:03.14 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, how many wifi firmware bugs haven't workarounds? |
| 23:03.25 | max_posedon | e.g. I remember unbind magick |
| 23:03.43 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: unbind is not magic, it's just how you turn the module off. |
| 23:03.46 | max_posedon | and at my hope wifi works good, except speed |
| 23:04.06 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: but wifi doesn't work with some APs at all. With some you need to switch it to power-hungry mode. |
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| 23:04.25 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: and in some circumstances wifi firmware asserts and crashes even. |
| 23:05.16 | luke-jr | what are the differences between the first Freerunner and A7? |
| 23:05.25 | luke-jr | I know A6->A7 includes buzz fix, but what else? |
| 23:05.44 | max_posedon | nothing? |
| 23:05.51 | luke-jr | well, what changed from original to A6? |
| 23:05.56 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: not many. A5 lacks capacitor and can't boot without battery, also it's aux LED driver consumes ~50mA. :) |
| 23:06.05 | PaulFertser | its |
| 23:06.51 | PaulFertser | Other minor stuff. BTW, A7 has 4.7uF capacitors so bass is a bit better there. |
| 23:07.11 | luke-jr | so A7 still needs bass/1024 fixes? |
| 23:07.15 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: btw, buzz is not fixed for wired headset in any model. |
| 23:07.27 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: correct |
| 23:07.56 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: I can live without wired headset I think :) |
| 23:08.03 | luke-jr | or at least, Pandora has a working one |
| 23:08.22 | luke-jr | some company's site says 1024/bass fixes are impractical for most people... true? |
| 23:08.45 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: if you want to listen to the music with wired headphones i think bass fix is mandatory. |
| 23:09.06 | luke-jr | ... I thought you just said wired headphones were unfixable at this time? :p |
| 23:09.21 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: and 1024 fix gives you 2x suspend time. |
| 23:09.38 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: wired headset has unfixable buzz if you want to use it for GSM calls. |
| 23:09.40 | max_posedon | so, only buzz fix really important |
| 23:10.02 | luke-jr | is 1024 fix doable by a software nerd? |
| 23:10.30 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: it depends on soldering experience only |
| 23:10.44 | luke-jr | I've done soldering, but I'm rather inaccurate |
| 23:10.49 | luke-jr | my hands shake too much :p |
| 23:11.04 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: have you ever done SMT soldering? |
| 23:11.37 | luke-jr | SMT? |
| 23:11.48 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: yes, with small planar components. |
| 23:12.54 | luke-jr | no idea what that means |
| 23:14.46 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology |
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