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14:18.02PBeckhi
14:18.44mstevenshello
14:18.55mstevensI am busy being happy that my wikireader arrived today
14:23.02SpeedEvil:)
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18:54.23Zetihi folks
18:54.50Zetiis there a functional difference between installing on NAND and µSD?
18:55.30PaulFertserZeti: well, SD is slow. You also might want to use it as a removable storage..
18:55.37Zetiok
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18:55.45Zetiso NAND is better for the OS
18:56.41Zetihow are the experiences with dfu-util under windows?
18:56.53lindi-Zeti: in theory nand wears-out. you can replace SD
18:57.01Zetiespecially windows 7
18:58.28max_posedonZeti, install linux on virtualbox/vmware
18:58.34max_posedonit will save much time
18:58.41ZetiI've got it on a partition :-)
18:58.46Zetibut windows bootloader grabbed it
18:58.52Zetiso I got to reinstall grub somehow
18:59.24Zetithat's probably the fastest way then
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19:03.04Zetithanks for now
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20:33.59slaxxerwikireader is #2  an has a 5 star rating  wow
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20:40.00PaulFertserWhen everybody's discussing wikireader it seemed like it would be a total failure. What happened?
20:40.55SpeedEvilslaxxer: on what?
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20:41.08ndnihil#2 as in "had to take a #2", or #2 as in it's ranked somewhere?
20:41.25slaxxeramazon
20:41.39SpeedEvilah
20:42.57PaulFertserSo how can it be that it's popular despite that's an additional device you need to carry with you and i assume the "developed" world has enough wireless connectivity everywhere, so wikipedia just as accessible from any cellphone?
20:43.29slaxxer99 dollarsd maybe?
20:43.39SpeedEvilAmazon.com Sales Rank: #588 in Electronics (See Bestsellers in Electronics)
20:44.01SpeedEviloh
20:44.04SpeedEvilHandhelds
20:44.14SpeedEvilI suspect xmas present pricing
20:44.19SpeedEviland a good release for that
20:44.34PaulFertserslaxxer: but when you already have you phone with you there's no need to buy anything to read wikipedia, is there?
20:44.35zedstarhas been enjoying using his wikireader on the tube
20:44.54slaxxersecretly made kept the "others" out of mokos pocket
20:45.21slaxxerso good for openmoko
20:46.21max_posedonPaulFertser, try think about non-geeky-world
20:46.37slaxxeran iphone users
20:46.50PaulFertsermax_posedon: so? any dumb cellphone nowadays has gprs and a simple web-browser enough to read wikipedia with color pictures even.
20:46.59max_posedonwhere people don't know how to switch on computers
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20:47.29slaxxerpay for data also
20:47.39zedstarPaulFerster in London if u commute like millions of us on the tube you dont get any cell connection
20:47.42SeligArkinmax_posedon: Or they wonder why it won't work with no power int he building
20:47.43SpeedEvilwikireader is simple enough you can give it to most idiots.
20:47.56zoff99i still would need some help on booting from sd card? please if possible
20:48.00slaxxeran they can use it to
20:48.23slaxxerwhich os to sdcard?
20:48.24PaulFertserzedstar: hehe, Moscow is more advanced then ;)
20:48.26max_posedonalso, I remember person, who sels "paper" wikipedia
20:48.36zoff99i try to boot new SHR on sdcard
20:48.57slaxxerwheres the new shr at?
20:49.02zoff99but QI just boots from NAND, somehow it does not find all it needs in /boot/ dir on sd card
20:49.12max_posedonso, I'm not bisness men, I don't know will wikipider be successfull or not
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20:49.25zoff99i have 2 partitions on sd, 1st FAT , 2nd ext3
20:49.32PaulFertserzedstar: wrong
20:49.37PaulFertserzoff99: ^^^
20:49.47PaulFertserzoff99: Qi reads only ext2/3 partitions and ignores fat.
20:50.18PaulFertserzoff99: on the partion you should have rootfs and as part of that /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin kernel image.
20:50.25slaxxerwheres this new shr located?
20:50.47zoff99PaulFester, i have that. on 2nd partition of SD card
20:50.50PaulFertserslaxxer: tests/mrmoku
20:50.58zoff99it did boot before, but now it does not. cant find out why
20:51.28PaulFertserzoff99: carefully check the filenames
20:51.32slaxxeroctober 12?
20:51.54zoff99can the SD card be a problem itself?
20:52.15PaulFertserzoff99: yes, it can
20:52.27PaulFertserzoff99: to tell for sure you'll need serial console unfortunately
20:52.39zoff99oh, how can i find it out. QI does not show any messages, just "blink" "blink"
20:52.49slaxxeri fixed my card with a digital  camera
20:52.57zoff99serial console is no problem on GTA02
20:53.13PaulFertserzoff99: so just hook up it and pastebin the output
20:53.43zoff99how do i start it with QI ?
20:53.54PaulFertserzoff99: you just boot the device with serial console attached
20:54.25zoff99ok thanks, i try that now
20:55.12zoff99PaulFertser: what are the console settings?
20:55.30PaulFertserzoff99: 115200 8n1
20:58.00zoff99ok now i try with windows
20:58.12zoff99do i need to install special driver for openmoko modem
20:58.14zoff99?
21:01.39PaulFertserzoff99: it all depends on the serial console you have
21:01.52zoff99terra term
21:01.59PaulFertserzoff99: if it's the usual OM debug board, then you just need FTDI drivers freely availble for download
21:02.26zoff99uhm, i dont have debug board. i thought it work just with serial cable and GTA02 ?
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21:03.42PaulFertserzoff99: what is serial cable and where do you connect it?
21:04.44zoff99normal cable which is included with GTA02, i connect it on miniusb connector
21:04.50zoff99this does not work then?
21:06.32PaulFertserzoff99: it works but not as a serial console unfortunately
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21:06.41zoff99oh :(
21:09.02PaulFertserzoff99: so your best bet is to check SD card contents to ensure it meets Qi expectations. If it doesn't work, try another card. BTW, what qi version do you use?
21:09.30zoff99i used many QI versions, i am trying other SD card now
21:09.39zoff99i used 4GB , now i try 2GB card
21:10.06zoff99but i know for sure, that the 4GB card did boot sometime.
21:10.15zoff99i just dont know what the error is :(
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23:29.56CIA-53freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: catch up with vala 0.7.8
23:29.56CIA-53freesmartphone.org: * no longer needs misc-vapi
23:29.56CIA-53freesmartphone.org: * use string templates
23:29.56CIA-53freesmartphone.org: * create StdErrLogger which is default (rather than NullLogger), if logger type unknown
23:30.52CIA-53freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8fa8af225282 10/libfsobasics/configure.ac: libfsobasics: post-release version bump
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23:55.20CIA-53freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r256c0f0f5314 10/libfsotransport/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
23:55.20CIA-53freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: catch up with vala 0.7.8 and glib 2.22
23:55.20CIA-53freesmartphone.org: * use string templates
23:55.21CIA-53freesmartphone.org: * use dns resolver
23:55.21CIA-53freesmartphone.org: * no longer require misc-vapi
23:56.17CIA-53freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6d9f7520a3f2 10/libfsotransport/configure.ac: libfsotransport: post-release version bump

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