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| 03:27.20 | Tulga | where should I ask NEO android questions? |
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| 04:28.07 | slaxxer | " high level of satisfaction amongst users" |
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| 04:35.17 | UndrWater | of? |
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| 04:41.15 | uhsf | i just learned about http://www.archmobile.org/ i have a freerunner phone since a year and a half and wonder why hasn't anyone told me it existed |
| 04:41.15 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 04:41.15 | slaxxer | a link to arch there |
| 04:41.16 | slaxxer | start at the beginning again |
| 04:41.24 | slaxxer | o wait update the wiki info first |
| 04:42.43 | uhsf | a small link at the very end of others/unreleased, not very obvious |
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| 04:44.07 | UndrWater | uhsf: you knew aobut gentoo? |
| 04:47.59 | uhsf | i only knew about om, shr, qt, debian, android |
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| 04:55.20 | slaxxer | what u no look at the wiki? |
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| 04:56.14 | slaxxer | http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm |
| 04:56.39 | slaxxer | kde on moko wow |
| 04:59.02 | slaxxer | so are there any new shr images to be had? |
| 04:59.47 | UndrWater | not yet it seems |
| 05:00.22 | UndrWater | i want to try and build shr for my zaurus |
| 05:03.39 | slaxxer | so is the holdup an xorg problem? |
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| 08:31.30 | beer | mobning |
| 08:31.45 | beer | hmmm morning |
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| 09:05.56 | panicking | larsc, hi |
| 09:06.11 | panicking | any conclusion about the discussion of yesterday and how to deal with |
| 09:06.21 | panicking | freq scaling on the serial device (gsm issue) |
| 09:06.57 | PaulFertser | panicking: nope, if there were any, i'd send it to you |
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| 09:07.51 | panicking | ok |
| 09:07.57 | PaulFertser | panicking: did you try looking at other devices for which cpufreq is already implemented and widely used? |
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| 09:08.46 | panicking | GSM serial modem is a specific one issue |
| 09:08.59 | panicking | in other application change the frequenct and loose some char |
| 09:09.07 | panicking | on serial device is not such big problem |
| 09:09.15 | panicking | all the serial driver in PRECHANGE event |
| 09:09.25 | panicking | do nothing and in the POSTACHNGE just call settty |
| 09:09.47 | panicking | Another question |
| 09:09.58 | panicking | what is the reposisotry to clone for having the 2.6.30 for gta02 |
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| 09:13.53 | PaulFertser | panicking: there's no. OM repo has .31 already |
| 09:14.58 | PaulFertser | panicking: probably a short letter to LAKML, LKML explaining sometimes loosing even a single character during cpufreq transition is not acceptable and asking for options would help. |
| 09:15.12 | PaulFertser | Nothing specific to gsm modem i'd say. |
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| 12:31.56 | fredl | hey guys, does Harald Welte still hang around here? |
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| 12:35.36 | lindi- | fredl: nope but you can reach him by mail |
| 12:35.43 | raster | no. not that i remember seeing in a long time |
| 12:35.57 | fredl | okay, thanks guys |
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| 12:36.15 | lindi- | at least he was on #sflc when I asked about the extreme networks case |
| 12:36.39 | lindi- | whoops, confused names now |
| 12:36.46 | lindi- | ignore previous lines :) |
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| 15:43.19 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:04.58 | admiral0|wrk | hello is there a way to set qvga as screen size on the freerunner? |
| 16:05.11 | admiral0|wrk | xrandr doesn't work |
| 16:06.14 | nicfer | hi, I have one question, is there some bootloader for mobile devices that supports dualbooting? |
| 16:06.55 | larsc | u-boot? |
| 16:07.17 | slaxxer | QI? |
| 16:07.24 | slaxxer | lilo |
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| 16:40.19 | UndrWater | how does one change the loglevel in u-boot? |
| 16:40.49 | lindi- | UndrWater: it is just linux boot option |
| 16:41.02 | panicking | hi lindi- |
| 16:41.09 | panicking | ok, i have fix my problem |
| 16:41.14 | panicking | the only two avalabile |
| 16:41.22 | panicking | frequenct are 100Mhz and 400Mhz |
| 16:41.32 | panicking | I must try 440Mhz using the same voltage |
| 16:41.37 | lindi- | panicking: that is ok |
| 16:41.44 | panicking | It's perfect because |
| 16:41.48 | panicking | the mobile |
| 16:41.50 | UndrWater | lindi-: but i usually don't use *com to configure my boot loader :) |
| 16:41.52 | panicking | is on 100Mz |
| 16:41.54 | panicking | during call |
| 16:41.58 | panicking | for example |
| 16:42.03 | UndrWater | is there a config file? |
| 16:42.08 | panicking | or when you do nothing |
| 16:42.13 | panicking | This is the idea |
| 16:42.17 | panicking | start in performance mode |
| 16:42.23 | panicking | change the policy |
| 16:42.29 | panicking | min.frequency to 100 |
| 16:42.38 | panicking | then move to ondemand |
| 16:42.41 | panicking | governator |
| 16:42.50 | panicking | Now I must fix the GSM |
| 16:42.55 | SpeedEvil | panicking: you've implemented switcing? |
| 16:42.55 | panicking | flowcontrolled problem |
| 16:43.06 | lindi- | UndrWater: ? use fw_setenv command from shell |
| 16:43.08 | panicking | during the cpuscake |
| 16:43.22 | panicking | during cpuclock transaction |
| 16:44.01 | UndrWater | lindi-: on the phone? |
| 16:44.06 | lindi- | panicking: yep, without working suspend and serial port cpufreq can not really be used |
| 16:44.12 | lindi- | UndrWater: yes |
| 16:44.24 | panicking | the only problem is the gsm |
| 16:44.27 | panicking | because gps |
| 16:44.33 | panicking | are not a big really problem |
| 16:44.38 | panicking | only invalid packet |
| 16:44.48 | panicking | but the buffering is needed |
| 16:44.53 | panicking | when you have transaction |
| 16:45.02 | panicking | I don't know how big is this buffer in second |
| 16:45.45 | panicking | maybe DocScrutinizer or mickeyl has the answer |
| 16:45.57 | panicking | because suppose that we have pppd connection |
| 16:46.05 | panicking | on the serial line using multiplexer |
| 16:46.11 | panicking | and the system change frequency |
| 16:46.21 | panicking | we must avoid data corruption on pppd and at command |
| 16:46.36 | panicking | the idea is to switch the serial in RTS/CTS manual mode |
| 16:46.45 | panicking | and set it to UP |
| 16:46.53 | panicking | in PRECHANGE |
| 16:46.57 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rf7ea17bc2a33 10/src/ (15 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:46.57 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: add missing includes for glib and dbus-glib to some headers |
| 16:46.57 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 16:47.05 | lindi- | panicking: are you saying cpufreq, suspend and gps work for you? |
| 16:47.06 | panicking | and reset TO normal behavior in POSTCHANGE |
| 16:47.26 | panicking | let me test gps |
| 16:47.29 | panicking | wait a minute |
| 16:47.37 | panicking | I test the GSM |
| 16:47.54 | lindi- | panicking: have you read https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2295 ? |
| 16:48.02 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7dc5f94bacd3 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: i'll probably have to rewrite some of that *sigh* |
| 16:48.19 | panicking | this is not my problem |
| 16:48.25 | panicking | let me test the gps |
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| 16:50.09 | panicking | it works |
| 16:50.11 | panicking | ok |
| 16:50.17 | panicking | now return to the GSM problem |
| 16:50.23 | UndrWater | lindi-: cant' seem to find fw_setenv...google mentions deb package, but i can't find source or ipk |
| 16:50.44 | lindi- | UndrWater: packages.debian.org has source |
| 16:50.57 | UndrWater | no ipk? |
| 16:53.03 | lindi- | UndrWater: no idea |
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| 16:53.26 | UndrWater | okay... |
| 16:55.29 | panicking | lindi-, I'm asking to werner what is his opinion on the gsm |
| 16:55.34 | panicking | flowcontrolled |
| 16:55.45 | panicking | He is in the gta02-core channel |
| 16:56.31 | lindi- | panicking: i would be ok with getting only gps at first |
| 16:57.03 | panicking | I can send you a patch agaist the 2.6.29 |
| 16:57.05 | panicking | to test |
| 16:57.25 | panicking | Can you measure the power consumation? |
| 16:59.01 | lindi- | panicking: sure but does it work with gps after suspend? |
| 17:01.43 | panicking | yes |
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| 17:03.54 | panicking | lindi-, the patch is to big need to be splitted |
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| 17:03.59 | panicking | it can be used only for testing |
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| 17:16.00 | lindi- | panicking: no priblem |
| 17:16.21 | panicking | Ok, I'm sending |
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| 17:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | panicking: FIFO in modem is 64byte afaik |
| 17:32.19 | panicking | ok it's inaugh |
| 17:35.49 | SpeedEvil | passes panicking the 2009 inventive spelling tropy. |
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| 17:38.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: for inventive spelling a tropy seems appropriate ;-P |
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| 17:43.28 | panicking | enough |
| 17:43.31 | panicking | sorry |
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| 18:03.48 | panicking | lindi-, they are on the mailing list |
| 18:03.55 | panicking | hope that I send all the things |
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| 18:12.23 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, hope that I can meet you at the FOSDOM2010 |
| 18:15.52 | panicking | lindi-, do you see the patches? |
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| 18:34.19 | pieterc | in shr, where are the sms saved? |
| 18:34.27 | pieterc | in an sql lite db? Or just in a textfile? |
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| 18:41.27 | pieterc | hmm... Is there a way to cat the received text-messages in shr? |
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| 18:48.13 | panicking | PaulFertser, hi |
| 18:48.14 | panicking | :) |
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| 18:56.12 | panicking | At the end I cook rise for my wife |
| 18:56.13 | panicking | :) |
| 18:58.09 | CVirus | rice* |
| 19:01.21 | panicking | En espanol creo arose o arrose |
| 19:02.59 | panicking | algo asi |
| 19:03.12 | tg | orly? |
| 19:04.33 | pieterc | arroz? |
| 19:05.32 | panicking | yes |
| 19:05.34 | panicking | arroz |
| 19:05.43 | pieterc | panicking, estas de España? |
| 19:05.51 | panicking | Claro, que si |
| 19:05.58 | panicking | vivo en valencia |
| 19:06.02 | pieterc | great! |
| 19:06.07 | pieterc | I'm going to valencia |
| 19:06.09 | pieterc | for erasmus |
| 19:06.11 | pieterc | next year |
| 19:06.16 | pieterc | pleaaase be my promotor :D |
| 19:06.23 | panicking | :D |
| 19:06.32 | panicking | give your contact when you are here |
| 19:06.37 | panicking | so I show my office :D |
| 19:06.41 | panicking | to you |
| 19:06.43 | pieterc | alright! |
| 19:06.57 | panicking | In what university? |
| 19:07.06 | panicking | politecnica or tarrogers? |
| 19:07.08 | pieterc | universidad de politechnica |
| 19:07.24 | pieterc | :) |
| 19:07.30 | panicking | en que istituto |
| 19:07.33 | panicking | ? |
| 19:07.41 | pieterc | No idea yet |
| 19:07.46 | panicking | electronics or informatics |
| 19:07.49 | pieterc | ah |
| 19:07.50 | pieterc | informatics |
| 19:07.52 | panicking | software engeeneering |
| 19:07.53 | panicking | ok |
| 19:07.58 | panicking | so maybe the DISCA |
| 19:08.06 | pieterc | qué es? |
| 19:08.31 | pieterc | Disca? |
| 19:09.52 | panicking | Disca es el laboratorio de real time |
| 19:10.00 | panicking | control system |
| 19:10.01 | panicking | too |
| 19:10.40 | pieterc | are you related to the university, still? |
| 19:11.07 | panicking | Pisa university |
| 19:11.08 | panicking | :) |
| 19:11.23 | panicking | I have some friends and I'm working on a deadline scheduling |
| 19:11.26 | panicking | in linux |
| 19:11.42 | pieterc | Oh, because I was thinking about doin my thesis about embedded devices/cross compiling/openmoko |
| 19:11.51 | pieterc | yes, I read your blog sometimes:) |
| 19:12.52 | panicking | When you are here we can talk about your thesis |
| 19:12.56 | panicking | I have a lot of idea :D |
| 19:13.09 | pieterc | alright, dealeo ;) |
| 19:14.36 | panicking | tengo que ir |
| 19:14.43 | panicking | estan per serrar aqui |
| 19:14.43 | panicking | :D |
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| 19:42.48 | pbaxter_ | hello all |
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| 20:25.40 | UndrWater | [shr-u] ophonekitd is crashing with loading failed. library not set. |
| 20:25.48 | UndrWater | hmmm....so is shr-dialer |
| 20:28.14 | thrashold | You hold the steering wheel in one hand. In the other you try to hold your freerunner and stylus, and type 'mplayer ~/Music/Infected Mushroom/2007 - Vicious Delicious/05 Suliman.mp3' in the terminal |
| 20:39.21 | UndrWater | safer than texting :) |
| 20:57.28 | Zorkman | tab completion |
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| 22:59.42 | Gabrys | hello guys, I need a quick help on running GPS |
| 22:59.59 | Gabrys | I have Neo FR with SHR the very latest version |
| 23:00.21 | Gabrys | GPS position appears in Settings >> Possition menu, but I can't get it working in NavIt or TangoGPS |
| 23:00.34 | Gabrys | I even manually enabled it in settings >> position menu |
| 23:00.40 | Gabrys | any hints? |
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| 23:06.22 | pieterc | Gabrys: wait long enough till it gives any signal? |
| 23:06.44 | pieterc | in tangogps you can see to how many sats he's connected yet |
| 23:06.48 | pieterc | what about that? |
| 23:07.06 | Gabrys | pieterc: yep, I had my position already displayed in SHR's Settings >> Position menu |
| 23:07.08 | tomcatek | navit also can show that info |
| 23:07.16 | Gabrys | but it seems those apps can read that :| |
| 23:08.03 | pieterc | I'd say check the gpsd connection info? |
| 23:08.14 | pieterc | In the client apps |
| 23:08.15 | Gabrys | how do I do that? |
| 23:08.19 | pieterc | like tangogps ==> config |
| 23:08.24 | Gabrys | it seems OK, then :( |
| 23:08.33 | Gabrys | localhost, default port |
| 23:08.41 | Gabrys | it's the port gpsd listens on |
| 23:08.46 | pieterc | maybe you need a symbolic link to gpsd? |
| 23:08.48 | Gabrys | checked with netstat |
| 23:08.51 | pieterc | could that be it? (someone else?) |
| 23:09.20 | pieterc | check it in a terminal: does gpsd exist? |
| 23:09.38 | Gabrys | oh, wait a moment, I lost my GPS position data in settings >> position menu |
| 23:09.45 | pieterc | :) |
| 23:09.51 | Gabrys | root@om-gta02 ~ $ pgrep gpsd |
| 23:09.52 | Gabrys | 2506 |
| 23:10.04 | pieterc | Ok.. No clue anymore |
| 23:10.07 | *** join/#openmoko slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) |
| 23:10.11 | Gabrys | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2947 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 23:10.17 | UndrWater1 | Gabrys: for navit you need libgps17 |
| 23:10.27 | UndrWater1 | did you do the download and make the link? |
| 23:10.28 | Gabrys | I had this already installed |
| 23:10.42 | UndrWater1 | did you link it to libgps16? |
| 23:10.48 | Gabrys | it seems my problem now is bad GPS signal reception |
| 23:11.05 | Gabrys | actually navit doesn't complain like shown on wiki |
| 23:11.06 | pieterc | perhaps because you're inside? ;) |
| 23:11.09 | UndrWater1 | navit and other gps apps will show what the reception is |
| 23:11.19 | Gabrys | let me see |
| 23:11.22 | Gabrys | first the link |
| 23:11.42 | Gabrys | I tried ldd /usr/bin/navit |
| 23:11.45 | Gabrys | but no ldd ;) |
| 23:12.55 | Gabrys | I'm starting to get some info on GPS settings after turning GPS radio off and on again |
| 23:13.14 | Gabrys | I have some bogus time, fix: no time, sats: 0/0 |
| 23:13.37 | UndrWater1 | do you have tangogps? |
| 23:13.38 | Gabrys | and just about 5 minutes ago I had 6 sats |
| 23:14.03 | Gabrys | I have, but I try to stick to the only application that have let me to actually see my location |
| 23:14.11 | Gabrys | which is GPS settitngs |
| 23:14.24 | Gabrys | time is now updated |
| 23:14.29 | Gabrys | satellites: 0/12 |
| 23:14.41 | Gabrys | I feel it starts to work |
| 23:14.45 | UndrWater1 | it's finding satellites |
| 23:15.04 | Gabrys | in the meantime I opkg install binutils, to have ldd |
| 23:15.15 | Gabrys | to see which lib version navit is linked to |
| 23:15.22 | Gabrys | sats: 0/13 |
| 23:16.28 | Gabrys | 0/14, time ok, no more info yet :( |
| 23:16.44 | Gabrys | neo's right on the window |
| 23:16.47 | UndrWater1 | tangogps will show you same info...and you'll know it's working on a gps app :) |
| 23:16.56 | UndrWater1 | takes forever to get a fix inside |
| 23:18.39 | Gabrys | I've just updated my window and it starts to get some position info ;) |
| 23:18.47 | Gabrys | 3/11 satellites |
| 23:18.50 | Gabrys | 4/11 |
| 23:18.57 | Gabrys | so let's go to tangogps now |
| 23:19.11 | Gabrys | fix: 3d fix :) |
| 23:19.16 | UndrWater1 | there u go |
| 23:19.22 | UndrWater1 | i'll bet navit won't work tho |
| 23:19.31 | UndrWater1 | without libgps link |
| 23:19.34 | UndrWater1 | could be wrong |
| 23:19.39 | Gabrys | let's see |
| 23:19.48 | Gabrys | (launching tangogps now) |
| 23:19.59 | Gabrys | btw SHR is so much better than Android |
| 23:21.09 | UndrWater1 | on freerunner? |
| 23:21.19 | Gabrys | UndrWater1: yes |
| 23:21.25 | UndrWater1 | of course :) |
| 23:21.48 | UndrWater1 | android is too abstract...it's not linux anymore |
| 23:22.04 | Gabrys | I like having GNU utils when I'm logging in |
| 23:22.24 | Gabrys | I tried to copy some files to sdcard (to install SHR) from Android |
| 23:22.29 | Gabrys | no tar |
| 23:22.31 | Gabrys | no mknod |
| 23:22.38 | Gabrys | no ssh by default |
| 23:22.50 | *** join/#openmoko der-lehmann (n=stefan@188-192-133-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 23:23.44 | *** join/#openmoko HellDragon (i=jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:23.46 | UndrWater1 | what's the verdict? |
| 23:24.06 | pieterc | UndrWater1: I agree... What's the use of an operating system that even doesn't display black and white console screens now and then |
| 23:24.38 | Gabrys | pieterc: this is why I dislike fancy boot-up screens |
| 23:25.05 | pieterc | highfives Gabrys |
| 23:25.17 | Gabrys | shit, I kill my phone, it's load must be about 20 now ;-) |
| 23:25.42 | Gabrys | too many things at once, I'm working too much on fast servers ;-) |
| 23:26.05 | Gabrys | 10.7 actually |
| 23:26.10 | UndrWater1 | don't mind fancy boot screens...as long as i can get behind or disable them |
| 23:26.48 | Gabrys | I like Gentoo text boot screen, it's informative, but still pretty by being colorful :-) |
| 23:28.13 | UndrWater1 | indeed :) |
| 23:28.22 | UndrWater1 | it was fun watching gentoo boot on the freerunner too |
| 23:29.43 | Gabrys | Is it better to have swapfile on internal flash on uSD card? |
| 23:30.17 | Gabrys | internal flash OR on uSD card |
| 23:30.34 | UndrWater1 | i think either is fine |
| 23:31.01 | Gabrys | 300MB swapfile on uSD takes ages to swapon |
| 23:34.43 | UndrWater1 | do you need such a large swap? |
| 23:35.22 | Gabrys | I don't know, I just had so much space on card, my bad |
| 23:35.33 | *** join/#openmoko xxtjaxx (n=user@p54B76164.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:37.39 | xxtjaxx | Hi I'm running hackable:1 on my openmoko and I used to be able to sftp into it to put files |
| 23:38.14 | xxtjaxx | but currently it doesnt work any idea how to fix it? |
| 23:38.30 | Gabrys | xxtjaxx: does ssh work? |
| 23:39.04 | xxtjaxx | yes it does |
| 23:39.23 | lindi- | xxtjaxx: what ssh server= |
| 23:41.24 | xxtjaxx | dropbear |
| 23:48.27 | lindi- | xxtjaxx: does it provide sftp? |
| 23:48.41 | xxtjaxx | I did think so |
| 23:50.23 | lindi- | xxtjaxx: read what CHANGES says about sftp |
| 23:50.44 | xxtjaxx | the website doesnt seem to mentionm that |
| 23:51.46 | lindi- | xxtjaxx: CHANGES is part of dropbear source at least |
| 23:52.21 | xxtjaxx | hmm I believe there is no suc file on my moko :( |
| 23:53.44 | lindi- | xxtjaxx: apt-get source dropbear |
| 23:58.36 | Gabrys | I need to run, so catch you later, I'll notify about the progress with the GPS thing |
| 23:58.50 | tomcatek | c u |