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| 08:02.52 | PierreN | hi |
| 08:03.27 | PierreN | does anybody know if the last shr unstable is usable or if I should pick an older one ? |
| 08:05.34 | PierreN | shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090906-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is this one fine please ? |
| 08:07.22 | PierreN | (i mean is the topic still true ?( |
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| 08:07.26 | PierreN | ) |
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| 08:19.16 | mostly_useless | sometimes I dream that I am my freerunner. making things more difficult for my user, simply to pass the time until the inevitable chuck against the brick wall outside of the house. |
| 08:20.05 | mostly_useless | i wake in a cold sweat, only to see my freerunner sitting on the table next to my bed, a cold sinister expression on its face, as if it was having the same dream, but as the role of myself. |
| 08:21.15 | ndnihil | sometimes I dream that I'm in a tub full of lard with the hot twins down the street |
| 08:21.23 | ndnihil | not freerunner related |
| 08:21.26 | ndnihil | just saying |
| 08:22.27 | mostly_useless | ndnihil: may the gods have mercy on your tormented soul. |
| 08:22.57 | ndnihil | had they any mercy, I would be in that tub, with that lard, with those twins |
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| 08:23.27 | mostly_useless | opensource truly works in mysterious ways. |
| 08:24.04 | mostly_useless | any with that, I have another hit on my crack pipe to take, before returning to the Chamber of Debug. |
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| 08:26.43 | md2k7|away | wonders about the life and attitude of some people |
| 08:28.18 | ndnihil | md2: yeah tell me about it. crack is so 90's |
| 08:28.53 | mostly_useless | I'm a fan of the classics. |
| 08:29.05 | ndnihil | take mescaline |
| 08:29.45 | ndnihil | can't get much more classic than that, except perhaps weed, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the population of the planet smokes that already |
| 08:30.45 | mostly_useless | suggestion noted. I'll probably go with katamine. the dog seems to like it, and he's been on my case lately about us not having much quantity time together. |
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| 08:52.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | grins |
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| 09:55.41 | mostly_useless | sometimes. |
| 09:56.04 | mostly_useless | I smell the inside of the case while the phone is on. |
| 09:56.28 | mostly_useless | breathe in the essence as I would a woman's scent. |
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| 12:33.17 | Tm_T | hi, what should I do when freerunner battery is totally empty, and I don't have any compatible phone around here |
| 12:34.02 | Hardy | hmmh no idea |
| 12:34.46 | dns53 | get the wall charger? |
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| 12:38.38 | tomcatek | usb cable? |
| 12:39.42 | soltys | Tm_T: try pluging it to usb... |
| 12:39.58 | max_posedon | Tm_T, remove battery, and try boot without it |
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| 12:41.24 | Tm_T | soltys: it really is empty so that didn't do the trick (: |
| 12:41.27 | Tm_T | max_posedon: will try |
| 12:42.16 | soltys | Tm_T: my FR boots with empty battery after connecting it to usb... |
| 12:42.43 | max_posedon | 1. remove battery, 2. press aux, 3. insert power 4. wait 1-2 sec 5. only now release aux |
| 12:43.12 | max_posedon | may be even 5. press power 6. release aux and power |
| 12:43.14 | tomcatek | mine FR also boots without battery |
| 12:43.53 | Tm_T | nothing (:) |
| 12:44.21 | tomcatek | try holding AUX while booting |
| 12:44.27 | Tm_T | trying |
| 12:45.14 | Tm_T | yup, no signs of live |
| 12:46.01 | SpeedEvil | There are cheap USB phone battery chargers |
| 12:46.23 | SpeedEvil | that have two prongs, and auto-switch polarity depending on which wya you connect them to the battery |
| 12:46.36 | Tm_T | won't help me right now though |
| 12:46.47 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 12:46.56 | Tm_T | bhhh, shouldn't leave battery empty for months |
| 12:46.56 | SpeedEvil | I assume you don't have a DMM and a lab psu? |
| 12:47.08 | Tm_T | soltys: nope, not right here |
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| 12:49.56 | soltys | Tm_T: no idea then |
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| 13:37.38 | solar_george | hi, having recently moved to london i've started to notice that some texts i send from my FR (latest SHR-U) don't get through to the recipients (maybe overcrowded cell?) is there a way to check when this happens or an sms app which can handle retrying when this happens? |
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| 14:46.50 | uhsf | my samsung p2 media player was stolen yesterday along with my pair of etymotics earphones. i will most likely have to buy a nokia n900 to replace it. |
| 14:48.08 | SpeedEvil | :? |
| 14:48.32 | SpeedEvil | We don't have a delivery time - sometime mid-nov is looking plausible |
| 14:51.39 | uhsf | it will be hard to live without music for one month |
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| 14:57.19 | SpeedEvil | well - your most basic player is very cheap |
| 14:57.29 | SpeedEvil | and even a couple of gig is plenty in the short term |
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| 14:59.24 | uhsf | i don't want a cheap basic player, i'm very angry having my samsung p2 stolen it's not available in canada anymore even the p3 isn't anymore. |
| 15:00.00 | [Rui] | uhsf: those models which play ogg? |
| 15:00.12 | SpeedEvil | uhsf: I mean as a fill-in for a month |
| 15:00.29 | [Rui] | uhsf: were you mugged or just left them unattended for enough time? |
| 15:00.33 | uhsf | the freerunner isn't good enough for a media player mostly because it has no 3.5mm jack |
| 15:00.42 | [Rui] | uhsf: yeah :( |
| 15:01.48 | uhsf | yea p2 and p3 played ogg and flac i don't know if there is such good player anymore on the market |
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| 15:13.34 | vargadanis | hi there.. I am thinking on buying a Freerunner.. I like the project's idea but first I got a few questions. how long does the battery last when the phone isn't in active use and when it is? (SMSing, Phoning, PIM, Emails, Wifi) |
| 15:13.54 | d1b | vargadanis: it isn't useful as an every day phone |
| 15:14.08 | vargadanis | wut? O_o |
| 15:14.18 | d1b | battey is ok. smsing is ok phoning is a pita, pim is okish, emails fine, wifi is ok but can be flakey |
| 15:14.26 | d1b | but if you want you can buy one off me :) |
| 15:15.31 | vargadanis | we can talk about it later :) once I am convinced that I won't be let down by it when i try to add a new contact to my contacts list |
| 15:15.32 | SpeedEvil | Some people use it as a phone everyday |
| 15:15.39 | slaxxer | yup |
| 15:15.40 | SpeedEvil | and find it ouseful. |
| 15:15.58 | d1b | some do -> like me :) |
| 15:16.07 | d1b | but i would prefer one that didn't discharge and stuff |
| 15:16.16 | d1b | (when in the charger) |
| 15:16.17 | slaxxer | a hackers dream machine |
| 15:16.41 | _Andrew | can you make phone calls on it yet? |
| 15:16.47 | slaxxer | yup |
| 15:16.48 | d1b | slaxxer: certainly but not great a phone. :) _Andrew rofl |
| 15:16.55 | d1b | _Andrew: of course :) |
| 15:17.13 | vargadanis | what do you mean by not a great phone? |
| 15:17.33 | d1b | vargadanis: there are no hardware buttons to adjust the volume and stuff |
| 15:17.34 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.36 | d1b | its ok |
| 15:18.04 | vargadanis | ohh those things are not worring my if all those things can be adjusted through the touchscreen |
| 15:18.06 | slaxxer | it just needs to be FINISHED |
| 15:18.21 | d1b | vargadanis: it isn't that easy atm to do that. |
| 15:18.23 | slaxxer | FINISH IT |
| 15:18.31 | vargadanis | all I need to know if I will be able to call my workplace that I'd rather stay home and hack my little phone :) |
| 15:18.36 | d1b | slaxxer: maybe ;) |
| 15:18.52 | d1b | vargadanis: its a great pda tho :) |
| 15:18.57 | slaxxer | vargadis yes certainly |
| 15:19.04 | vargadanis | well I could write a small gadget for the 'desktop' that can do the volume adjustments |
| 15:19.14 | slaxxer | please do |
| 15:19.18 | d1b | vargadanis: some have but the alsa states are lots of fun :) |
| 15:19.19 | vargadanis | :) |
| 15:19.28 | d1b | slaxxer: there is such an app i saw from the wik irecently |
| 15:19.32 | vargadanis | ohh it uses alsa :) even better |
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| 15:19.33 | d1b | haven't tried it yet |
| 15:19.44 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications |
| 15:20.02 | vargadanis | which distro is the most usable for everyday usage? I saw SHR seems to be OK |
| 15:20.04 | d1b | slaxxer: i think the shr guys are trying to add it atm |
| 15:20.09 | d1b | vargadanis: SHR :) |
| 15:20.20 | slaxxer | http://www.opkg.org/packages.htm |
| 15:21.14 | vargadanis | alright :) BT is working ok? So I am not gonna have trouble with transfering some files through BT? |
| 15:21.18 | slaxxer | they need to finish because the longer we mess around the less chance the gta02-core will make it |
| 15:21.28 | d1b | slaxxer: http://handheldshell.com/pymixer.py |
| 15:21.38 | d1b | slaxxer: m? |
| 15:21.55 | d1b | gta02-core ? |
| 15:22.19 | slaxxer | yea the next great success |
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| 15:22.24 | d1b | slaxxer: .... |
| 15:22.27 | d1b | orly |
| 15:22.38 | vargadanis | d1b, you said something about selling me one... for how much and where you'd send it from? it is new? used? Battery? |
| 15:23.13 | slaxxer | would u like to have a replacement motherboard for your freerunner like me? |
| 15:23.14 | d1b | battery needs a new one probably, im in australia, not that knew got it when frs were first out |
| 15:23.26 | d1b | new* |
| 15:23.34 | d1b | bath tired :) |
| 15:23.37 | d1b | bah* |
| 15:23.41 | slaxxer | with a 3.5 mm plug an a better gsm? |
| 15:24.29 | d1b | slaxxer: ? |
| 15:24.36 | d1b | gsm 800 foo i think |
| 15:24.41 | d1b | dont' remember :) |
| 15:25.17 | vargadanis | possibly shipping from australia to here would be a lotta money |
| 15:25.24 | vargadanis | here = Hungary (EU) |
| 15:25.31 | d1b | maybe :) |
| 15:25.33 | d1b | no idea. |
| 15:25.48 | d1b | your euro istronger than our $AUD |
| 15:27.14 | d1b | maybe 154EUR |
| 15:27.19 | d1b | not sure about shipping. |
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| 15:27.50 | Tuju | any good ideas how to re-start freerunner with empty battery? |
| 15:27.59 | lindi- | Tuju: wiki has a list |
| 15:28.17 | slaxxer | u have a wall charger? |
| 15:28.39 | slaxxer | TUju? |
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| 15:29.16 | slaxxer | a tomtom one car charger also works |
| 15:29.28 | Tuju | slaxxer: i do |
| 15:29.32 | d1b | slaxxer: tomtoms are fun to hack :) |
| 15:29.35 | Tuju | but i think it's usb one too. |
| 15:29.45 | slaxxer | press an hold aux button then press power |
| 15:30.03 | Tuju | slaxxer: does it matter with what charger? |
| 15:30.50 | slaxxer | hold both for 3 seconds |
| 15:30.54 | slaxxer | well it needs more than the 100ma that the usb provides |
| 15:31.18 | Tuju | ah, ack. i dig the wall-one from package. |
| 15:31.37 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.45 | slaxxer | ok |
| 15:32.26 | slaxxer | well did it work? |
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| 15:32.56 | Tuju | yep :) |
| 15:33.01 | Tuju | i'm happy again :) |
| 15:33.02 | d1b | likesthe moko but wishes the volume had a gui to alter it more so than currently -> during in call :) |
| 15:33.04 | slaxxer | what can be done with a tomtom? |
| 15:33.08 | d1b | slaxxer: :) |
| 15:33.19 | d1b | http://www.opentom.org/Main_Page |
| 15:33.22 | d1b | run xorg ;) |
| 15:33.26 | d1b | well not xorg |
| 15:33.28 | d1b | but x11 |
| 15:33.36 | slaxxer | screenshot? |
| 15:33.38 | bumbl | d1b: this should be part of the upcoming shr phoneui stack |
| 15:33.39 | Tuju | now next the latest SHR images.... |
| 15:33.48 | d1b | bumbl: i am aware of that. |
| 15:33.50 | d1b | Tuju: oh really... |
| 15:33.54 | d1b | where.... |
| 15:34.00 | slaxxer | use the sept 06 unstable |
| 15:34.41 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 15:34.54 | d1b | slaxxer: no i meantthe volume stuff... |
| 15:35.03 | slaxxer | oo |
| 15:35.22 | d1b | slaxxer: can't find one atm |
| 15:35.25 | slaxxer | prolly this week we will get a new image |
| 15:35.26 | d1b | (x11 on the tomtom) |
| 15:35.30 | d1b | but it does work. |
| 15:35.35 | slaxxer | :) |
| 15:35.48 | d1b | found it |
| 15:35.49 | d1b | http://www.opentom.org/TTconsole |
| 15:35.54 | slaxxer | as a linux machine? |
| 15:35.56 | Tuju | slaxxer: which files i need? |
| 15:35.57 | d1b | well that's part of it |
| 15:36.11 | Tuju | there are quite many for sep 06 |
| 15:36.36 | d1b | Tuju: no idea i just used the ful one |
| 15:36.42 | d1b | full* |
| 15:36.47 | slaxxer | full glibc .jffs2 =rootfs |
| 15:37.14 | slaxxer | uimage.bin for kernel |
| 15:37.20 | d1b | vargadanis: if your interested maybe pm me at some point. i do like the phone atm tho :) |
| 15:37.30 | Tuju | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090906-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 this one? |
| 15:37.37 | slaxxer | yup |
| 15:37.48 | slaxxer | rootfs |
| 15:38.01 | d1b | is trying to get a teh evil androidz |
| 15:38.11 | vargadanis | d1b, that price is too high and I'd prefer a new one... it's possible to get a new for 180EUR so I think i'll go with that |
| 15:38.15 | d1b | ok. |
| 15:38.22 | vargadanis | and I am not quite convinced that openmoko is what i am looking for |
| 15:38.24 | d1b | oh orly ? only 180EUR |
| 15:38.36 | d1b | not bad. |
| 15:38.42 | Tuju | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin this one? |
| 15:39.52 | slaxxer | d1b step away from the android |
| 15:40.19 | d1b | slaxxer: it looks ok but the e17 keyboard is unmatchable atm |
| 15:40.22 | d1b | :) |
| 15:40.24 | slaxxer | i used the newer kernel |
| 15:41.20 | slaxxer | i had a time removing android it was something like "Hotel California" |
| 15:41.40 | Tuju | thouse could be dated with %Y-%M-%D so that listings would be cronical. |
| 15:41.43 | d1b | slaxxer: only takes a short time :) |
| 15:41.48 | slaxxer | it did work though |
| 15:41.53 | d1b | slaxxer: that's my routers name ;) |
| 15:42.03 | slaxxer | :) |
| 15:42.30 | Tuju | slaxxer: do i need modules file? |
| 15:42.58 | slaxxer | no |
| 15:43.08 | Tuju | ack. |
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| 15:43.49 | slaxxer | be sure to reboot a couple of times |
| 15:44.02 | Tuju | slaxxer: you were helpful and that i saved a lot of time because of that, thanks a lot. :) (doesn't happen too many times these days) |
| 15:44.16 | slaxxer | many welcomes |
| 15:44.33 | Tuju | slaxxer: i'll do... just need to charge a bit before i start upgrading... |
| 15:44.38 | slaxxer | we are here to help eachother:) |
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| 15:45.16 | Tuju | yup, that's what the community is all about. |
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| 15:46.11 | slaxxer | now if we can just work in parallel instead of series |
| 15:46.27 | slaxxer | things will go better/faster |
| 15:47.10 | d1b | slaxxer: the continued android project is actually fairly good |
| 15:47.21 | d1b | just the keyboard fails |
| 15:47.28 | slaxxer | i knoy it does work |
| 15:47.37 | jc_ | hm..I'm just trying the gtk theme from om2007 on gentoo and its just perfect.. Gotta compliment to whoever did it :) |
| 15:48.10 | slaxxer | yea an then they quit |
| 15:48.43 | d1b | slaxxer: btw om2007 was finished :) |
| 15:48.45 | d1b | that did work |
| 15:48.51 | d1b | volume up / down in call etc. |
| 15:49.35 | jc_ | qtopia isn't the worst for phone usability either :) |
| 15:49.52 | d1b | jc_: its not that bad but it doesn't have in call up / down |
| 15:50.06 | d1b | as far as i know :) |
| 15:50.41 | jc_ | d1b, you had a settings screen for that afaik... |
| 15:51.00 | Tuju | hey, can i upgrade with low battery? |
| 15:51.16 | Tuju | i assume it won't charge during it but will use USB juice anyway. |
| 15:51.20 | jc_ | as opposed to shr apps where even ringrones don't work... |
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| 15:52.15 | Tuju | freerunner has damn sharp display. |
| 15:52.46 | jc_ | Tuju, you can do pretty much anything without battery except have gsm turned on.. |
| 15:53.42 | uhsf | i don't like the freerunner touchscreen feedback it's so slow to react after touching the screen |
| 15:54.23 | jc_ | uhsf, thats not the touchscreens fault :) |
| 15:54.33 | slaxxer | yea well maybe things will be in c++ before too much longer |
| 15:54.49 | Tuju | jc_: ack, i just started upgrading. kernel went already. |
| 15:54.49 | d1b | slaxxer: c++ ... |
| 15:54.51 | uhsf | i must be processor fault then. |
| 15:55.12 | slaxxer | use the wall charger for 30 minuite then flash |
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| 15:55.44 | jc_ | uhsf, mostly glamo and gtk.. |
| 15:55.48 | Tuju | puuuh, this rootfs is going to take time. |
| 15:55.53 | d1b | glamo is fail :) |
| 15:56.00 | slaxxer | 25 minuite |
| 15:56.34 | slaxxer | thats why we need gta02-core to produce another motherboard |
| 15:56.41 | slaxxer | glamo |
| 15:57.08 | d1b | slaxxer: from what i just read the gt02-core isn't a phone |
| 15:57.13 | d1b | gta* |
| 15:57.27 | max_posedon | toaster? |
| 15:57.37 | d1b | max_posedon: dont' joke ;) |
| 15:57.52 | jc_ | I wonder if you will be able to trade core for normal gta_02 |
| 15:58.02 | d1b | http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php |
| 16:00.36 | Tuju | how is the PIM side going on in SHR? |
| 16:00.53 | Tuju | is there a decided storage technogoly already? |
| 16:01.33 | d1b | i hope sqlite... :) |
| 16:01.57 | Tuju | yup, i was thinking about exposing them for syncing via syncml and obex |
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| 16:04.20 | jc_ | oh well.. looks like xchat is pretty usable with om gtk theme.. I'm off.. |
| 16:04.31 | jc_ | bye :) |
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| 16:15.44 | Tuju | hmmm....it hangs to that "Starting kernel ...." |
| 16:15.49 | Tuju | i've tried few times already. |
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| 16:24.13 | Tuju | it even says that checksums are okay. |
| 16:24.29 | Tuju | slaxxer: which kernel you've? |
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| 16:30.15 | uhsf | the person who stole my media player yesterday is gonna be pissed off because it needs a special cable to recharge it and it not sold anywhere. |
| 16:30.45 | Tuju | uhsf: how did that happen? |
| 16:31.31 | uhsf | my vest was stolen in my friend's car |
| 16:32.13 | Tuju | windows broken? |
| 16:32.18 | uhsf | i had nice etymotics earphones with that (300$) |
| 16:32.33 | uhsf | no, a door probably wasn't locked |
| 16:32.37 | Tuju | ah |
| 16:32.41 | Tuju | that sucks |
| 16:33.41 | Tuju | it might help if half of the li-ion batteries would be semtex and would detonate with too many wrong pin-codes. |
| 16:34.20 | Tuju | some claim that li-ion battries are dangerous as such anyway if charged with wrong alcorithm. |
| 16:34.56 | uhsf | yea i wish it blows out in that jerk's face |
| 16:35.24 | Tuju | you could make 'instructions' of that cable into net :) |
| 16:36.14 | Tuju | i had some VHF and camera that got stolen couple years ago. that sucked long time. |
| 16:36.48 | uhsf | i usually think i'm not materialist but when i lose something like that with all good 16GB playlists and files i really feel dispossessed or something |
| 16:37.19 | Tuju | then you start thinking getting a new type of material, 9mm and so.... :) |
| 16:37.21 | uhsf | i will really miss my music when walking to school |
| 16:38.18 | slaxxer | uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin |
| 16:38.37 | SpeedEvil | backup... |
| 16:38.47 | slaxxer | should i? |
| 16:39.02 | SpeedEvil | ->uhsf |
| 16:39.05 | slaxxer | oo |
| 16:39.07 | slaxxer | :) |
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| 16:39.16 | serdar_ | hi guys |
| 16:39.27 | slaxxer | off todo some real work |
| 16:39.43 | serdar_ | can someone tell me what the Sampling rate of the freerunner is? |
| 16:39.51 | uhsf | ->? |
| 16:40.51 | serdar_ | I am getting this message from android W/AudioHardwareInterface( 842): getInputBufferSize bad sampling rate: 11025 |
| 16:40.54 | Tuju | slaxxer: thanks, downloading.... |
| 16:41.05 | serdar_ | therefore I think that this sampking rate of 11025 is wrong |
| 16:41.15 | serdar_ | maybe the hw does not support it. |
| 16:41.43 | Tuju | slaxxer: it boots. |
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| 17:08.22 | Tuju | well, i guess half hour has passed and still haven't seen the desktop. |
| 17:08.22 | vargadanis | did anyone in EU order from Pluster? they offer Freerunner for 200 Euro |
| 17:09.45 | SpeedEvil | I think they stopped |
| 17:09.50 | SpeedEvil | but maybe they have some left |
| 17:09.58 | SpeedEvil | they were certainly supplying at on epoint |
| 17:10.04 | Tuju | i ordered 10 frunners back then from him and he scammed me. |
| 17:10.13 | Tuju | i would not do any business with that idiot. |
| 17:10.23 | uhsf | you lost money? |
| 17:10.30 | Tuju | eventually got it back. |
| 17:10.54 | vargadanis | hehh... that's what i have thought |
| 17:11.02 | Tuju | but he promised me a batch to get my order in and l paid him 1000 or so euros to confirm it. |
| 17:11.15 | uhsf | it's so frustrating to have something stolen |
| 17:11.35 | Tuju | later when he received my money, he let me know that "thanks for downpayment, i ship you later when i first ship others." |
| 17:12.38 | Wonka | i ordered my FR from pulster in July 2008, got a mail "will take some weeks"... about a week later it was here :) |
| 17:12.39 | Tuju | TriSoft in other hand worked as promised, i was very pleased to them. |
| 17:13.06 | Tuju | pulster is one guy in garage. Trisoft is a company. |
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| 17:13.32 | lord-carlos | high |
| 17:15.22 | vargadanis | ok |
| 17:15.27 | vargadanis | thanx for the tips |
| 17:16.19 | Tuju | vargadanis: i heard some shit about this guy from others too when had those problems with him. so it wasn't just my case. |
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| 17:18.01 | vargadanis | ahm are US and EU openmokos compatible? I mean the frequencies they use |
| 17:18.40 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 17:19.06 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - the 900 or the 850 band won't work in the EU, or in the US if you get the wrong one |
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| 17:20.08 | Tuju | are they still selling from stock they manufactured back then? |
| 17:20.30 | Tuju | i understood that production has seized. |
| 17:21.01 | vargadanis | ok, so in EU I need the 900 one, right? |
| 17:21.51 | Tuju | yup |
| 17:22.23 | SpeedEvil | Tuju: I understand production to be ongoing, on an as-needed basis. |
| 17:24.31 | vargadanis | question.. if I order from openmoko.com it's most likely to arrive to me, right? I understand they are shipping from the US |
| 17:24.41 | Tuju | SpeedEvil: ah, that's interesting. |
| 17:24.53 | vargadanis | luckily I have an option to pick which version to buy, either the 850 or the 900 versions |
| 17:26.23 | Tuju | that sucker wont boot. |
| 17:26.56 | uhsf | vargadanis: buy the n900. |
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| 17:32.39 | lord-carlos | If i want to play around with a wifi dongle on my OpenMoko, witch distro should i install? Debian? |
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| 17:33.36 | lord-carlos | i guess SHR has only drivers for the build in Wifi? |
| 17:34.14 | vargadanis | soon we will see the distro war here as well |
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| 17:40.03 | Tuju | where i can find instructions for problem that kernel does not boot? |
| 17:42.58 | vargadanis | do you get any errors of some sort? |
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| 17:43.18 | Tuju | no, it just tries to start booting and does nothing. |
| 17:43.54 | d1b | Tuju: flash a new one :) |
| 17:44.02 | Tuju | d1b: i just did. |
| 17:44.10 | vargadanis | ehh that's not a solution maybe a workaround |
| 17:44.13 | Tuju | it can't be so that for every boot i need to reflash. |
| 17:44.13 | d1b | nfi :) |
| 17:44.20 | d1b | Tuju: probably not |
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| 18:00.01 | Tuju | now it booted when i did reflash. |
| 18:00.26 | Tuju | nice to see that SHR is full of incomplete software :) |
| 18:03.55 | uhsf | i'd be happy to continue using shr but it just doesn't offer much to me so i will go with maemo for some time |
| 18:06.33 | bumbl | uhsf: on the neo? |
| 18:09.36 | uhsf | i use shr on my fr but i decided i will buy a n900 when it comes out |
| 18:10.01 | uhsf | fr can't serve me as media player |
| 18:11.15 | bumbl | ah ok |
| 18:13.20 | bumbl | hmm yeah - i'd like to buy a palm pixi or a motorola droid (not free but better than symbian) whatever comes out first here |
| 18:14.03 | SpeedEvil | Why first - when you're going to own it for a lot longer than a month. |
| 18:14.16 | SpeedEvil | n900 != symbian |
| 18:14.37 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: i know |
| 18:16.32 | bumbl | but i am not convinced that the n900 is that good - i have had too many issues with older nokia phones -- because i need a phone replacement for the neo as soon as possible |
| 18:16.54 | UberNeo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.59 | SpeedEvil | bumbl: software issues are completly irrelevnat - this is not a nokia phone - no other phone is based on linux fro nokia |
| 18:26.08 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 18:27.43 | CVirus | is buying an N900 too |
| 18:28.12 | uhsf | how can you not be convinced the n900 is that good? |
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| 18:31.40 | uhsf | n900 is clearly the best phone ever for everyone who can make an unbiased jugment between current offerings in this late 2009. |
| 18:32.14 | else58 | i'm latest SHR testing and my battery charge is down to 77% and battery/status shows "Not charging" |
| 18:32.44 | else58 | while connected to usb. Is there some reason it isn't charging? |
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| 18:33.58 | else58 | and the blue LED is on showing charged. so what gets charging again? |
| 18:34.39 | bumbl | uhsf, SpeedEvil: that were not only software but also some hardware issues (e.g. cover breaking after a month, device not working after some couple of months,...) |
| 18:35.00 | Tanuva | else58: there was a problem regarding "virtual" batteries once, maybe you're suffering from that, dunno if it's generally fixed somehow... check e17's battery settings |
| 18:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | else58: wait until it drops to 76%. It'll start to charge then |
| 18:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | else58: maybe 75% |
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| 18:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | else58: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#My_battery_charges_to_100.25_but_then_charging_stops_and_the_battery_keeps_discharging.2C_wtf.3F |
| 18:42.14 | UberNeo | can anybody paste here the contents of /etc/frameworkd.conf ..since i m using Hackable 1 |
| 18:45.53 | else58 | DocScrutinizer: thanks. I guess the new colors made the battery monitor easier for me to notice it |
| 18:47.24 | UberNeo | hi DocScrutinizer could u paste here the contents of /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 18:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | else58: (latest testing) please read #chan topic! |
| 18:47.52 | else58 | Tanuva: the e17 battery monitor has a Hardware setting panel with "Auto Detect, Internal, or HAL" buttons. Auto is checked |
| 18:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=conf/example/frameworkd.conf |
| 18:49.01 | else58 | DocScrutinizer: are you saying my q was better asked in cdevel? |
| 18:49.03 | UberNeo | thanx DocScrutinizer |
| 18:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | else58: forget this hal auto bla setting for now |
| 18:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | else58: it's only the cause when your bat never shows 100%, rather it shows 33% or 66% when charging finished |
| 18:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | else58: (q) Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* || |
| 18:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | testing is dead |
| 18:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | you might even use 20090906 |
| 18:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | but SHR-Um not testing |
| 18:52.34 | else58 | DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry I misspoke, i'm running unstable |
| 18:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:52.44 | else58 | 200909061614 |
| 18:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 18:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
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| 19:10.32 | lord-carlos | how can i install the rtl8187 wifi driver on my OpenMoko? |
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| 19:36.32 | lord-carlos | guys ... how can i install another wifi driver? |
| 19:36.44 | lindi- | lord-carlos: another wifi driver? |
| 19:37.11 | lord-carlos | lindi-: yes, rtl8187 |
| 19:39.13 | lord-carlos | i want to connect other wifi dongles to my Moko |
| 19:39.39 | slaxxer | Tuju did u reflash the same rootfs or what? |
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| 21:13.41 | sybren | hi folks |
| 21:14.03 | sybren | I haven't seen any SHR-Unstable package upgrades for weeks. What happened? |
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| 21:18.40 | uhsf | they gave up and pre-ordered a nokia n900. |
| 21:18.58 | sybren | lol |
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| 21:35.08 | TAsn | sybren, because we are working on a new image. |
| 21:35.12 | TAsn | I agree it's sub optimal |
| 21:35.23 | TAsn | but hopefully we'll stop doing this crap |
| 21:35.25 | TAsn | :| |
| 21:42.14 | sybren | hey, I don't care whether things are suboptimal. As long as other people (i.e. you guys) are working on improving *my* phone, I'm a happy camper! |
| 21:43.13 | sybren | so thanks for all the work |
| 21:43.18 | sybren | ! |
| 21:47.22 | ndnihil | hrm, improving how? |
| 21:47.46 | ndnihil | hopefully by treating it as less of a desktop and more of an embedded device? |
| 21:49.45 | lord-carlos | noo, we need VM ware with windows 7 on the OpenMoko. So you can install skype |
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| 22:13.37 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r222bf25b2712 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommand.vala: fsogsmd: change interface declaration order to work around https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599595 |
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| 22:59.13 | jpablo | Hi there, I need connect my openmoko to laptop.. but I'm writing dfu-util --list and the moko no appear |
| 23:01.06 | mjr | needs to be booted into the (preferrably nor) bootloader |
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| 23:17.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mjr: why preferrably NOR? |
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| 23:26.56 | mostly_useless | I've converted my freerunner into a bong. I feel it makes a lovely centerpiece. I'll post a blog with pictures later today. |
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| 23:28.23 | mjr | 'cause we know it's probably not screwed up as far as flashing goes |
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