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| 01:43.56 | slaxxer | Androidage |
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| 02:09.28 | slaxxer | android is pretty an cool |
| 02:09.55 | slaxxer | very finger friendly |
| 02:10.04 | slaxxer | an on my sdcard |
| 02:11.03 | slaxxer | i think |
| 02:11.57 | slaxxer | cant seem to boot shr now |
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| 06:48.50 | slaxxer | whatisit |
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| 06:53.04 | slaxxer | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/ |
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| 06:53.15 | slaxxer | anybody install these? |
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| 11:43.48 | vanous123 | what is the advantage of Xorg vs. Xglamo? |
| 11:44.29 | vanous123 | besides the fact, that it can survive suspend? |
| 11:45.24 | lindi- | vanous123: it is maintained. |
| 11:46.06 | vanous123 | lindi-: makes sense. and besides that? performance? stability? |
| 11:46.44 | lindi- | vanous123: it'll work with kms |
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| 11:48.29 | vanous123 | lindi-: and from user point of view? |
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| 11:48.59 | lindi- | vanous123: one less program to understand. you already use Xorg on your PC. |
| 11:49.22 | PaulFertser | vanous123: are you taking part in shr manual? |
| 11:49.49 | PaulFertser | in writing |
| 11:49.55 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: yes |
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| 11:50.23 | PaulFertser | vanous123: well, i had a look over it and the major complaint of mine is that it borrows text from other wiki pages. It should have links instead. |
| 11:50.40 | PaulFertser | vanous123: because text gets outdated and corrected on the pages you borrowed it from. |
| 11:50.44 | PaulFertser | But not in the manual |
| 11:51.07 | vanous123 | well, in fact, i tried not to borrow too much text, but other people contributed. |
| 11:51.26 | vanous123 | it will need some work |
| 11:52.59 | PaulFertser | vanous123: can you please take care to not duplicate information at all and remove unnecessary parts? From user pov it can be really confusing. |
| 11:53.18 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: ok |
| 11:53.20 | vanous123 | have to go |
| 11:53.22 | vanous123 | sorry |
| 11:53.31 | PaulFertser | vanous123: thanks in advance |
| 11:53.32 | PaulFertser | hehe |
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| 13:41.55 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: sorry, had a visitor here |
| 13:43.55 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i am planning to go through the SHR USer Manual and do some major edits |
| 13:44.37 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: actually the current freezing status would have been really good for it but i had no time + realized too late it is kinda frozen :) |
| 13:45.28 | vanous123 | dos1: yes, it seems like a normal output, not 1024 recamping... |
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| 14:01.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | vanous123: well, I don't know if "freeze" is exactly the right word to describe the situation |
| 14:04.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | actually I think a decent freeze is what SHR is missing most atm (or call it a testing branch if you like that better) |
| 14:05.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | testing like in pending Stable, not like in unstable/testing hyper-unstable |
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| 14:07.41 | vanous123 | DocScrutinizer-8: agree. this would be helpful also for the manual but perhaps reviews as well... |
| 14:11.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, SHR abandoned testing image in May or even March (can't remember), and common pun was "unstable is new testing" as nobody cared to backport certified important fixes from unstable to testing. Now SHR seems to do same crime another time, by moving to /testing/mrmoku/unstable (or whatever) and abandoning unstable for another orphan |
| 14:12.44 | vanous123 | there is no manpower to do the backports, which is the way it is... |
| 14:13.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's a rather pointless reasoning |
| 14:13.40 | vanous123 | but, for example for me knowing the unstable would be frozen for so long would be good, i could have update the user manual |
| 14:13.59 | vanous123 | now i don't wanna do it as even if i do it now, it will be obsolete in no time... |
| 14:14.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | why do you think so? |
| 14:15.35 | vanous123 | the moment mrmoku unstable becomes available to normal people, who will use previous unstable that has never been put to stable/testing/rc status? |
| 14:15.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the promise of a new "better-than-0808" image has been around since very same date 08-08, always announced for "next morning, after build finishes" |
| 14:16.12 | vanous123 | well, lets hope it finishes soon :) |
| 14:18.00 | [Rui] | I still think the current unstable should be moved to testing and then put mrmoku's work in unstable :) |
| 14:20.06 | vanous123 | that isn't such a bad idea, although i think it would have to be made pretty clear that there will be no backports as i don't assume there is anybody able to do that later... |
| 14:20.53 | vanous123 | i am not sure when i flashed last time, perhaps it is 0808 or even before, but upgraded until it was possible... and it's pretty stable |
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| 16:12.50 | Nebukadneza | phew, shr is quite slow, even with 16bpp |
| 16:16.04 | TAsn | nah |
| 16:16.20 | Nebukadneza | nah? |
| 16:16.24 | Nebukadneza | what else do i need to tune then? |
| 16:16.28 | Nebukadneza | dialer needs ~20sec to open |
| 16:16.29 | Nebukadneza | :/ |
| 16:16.33 | TAsn | really? |
| 16:16.35 | Nebukadneza | yeah |
| 16:16.42 | TAsn | anyhow we improved it a lot |
| 16:16.46 | TAsn | wait for it ;) |
| 16:16.50 | Nebukadneza | everything else may be slow for me, but dialer/phonebook need to be kinda fast |
| 16:16.51 | Nebukadneza | hehe |
| 16:16.55 | TAsn | it should be < 1 second for everythig. |
| 16:17.01 | Nebukadneza | wowzies |
| 16:17.04 | Nebukadneza | well ... how? :) |
| 16:17.05 | TAsn | hopefully... :) |
| 16:17.11 | ndnihil | yes |
| 16:17.12 | ndnihil | how? |
| 16:17.13 | TAsn | caching. |
| 16:17.22 | Nebukadneza | nice |
| 16:17.27 | Nebukadneza | and where do i get that code? |
| 16:17.38 | ndnihil | SHR is slow because they're treating it as a laptop instead of an embedded device |
| 16:18.31 | TAsn | Nebukadneza, you wait. |
| 16:18.41 | TAsn | ndnihil, it is a laptop. |
| 16:19.00 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
| 16:19.15 | ndnihil | perhaps a laptop from 10 years ago |
| 16:19.16 | TAsn | :) |
| 16:19.20 | TAsn | that's right. |
| 16:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 16:19.29 | TAsn | and 10 y/o laptops work great with linux. |
| 16:19.30 | TAsn | :) |
| 16:19.30 | Nebukadneza | TAsn: :/ |
| 16:19.32 | TAsn | I got one. |
| 16:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | and SHR / OE is way to far from treating it that way (laptop) |
| 16:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | s/to/too/ |
| 16:20.24 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, you claim we treat it as a desktop? :) |
| 16:20.39 | ndnihil | they think it's an AS400 |
| 16:20.48 | TAsn | anyhow, brb. ;) |
| 16:22.04 | Nebukadneza | hmmm |
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| 16:22.10 | Nebukadneza | so no way to get it fast yet? |
| 16:22.15 | Nebukadneza | at least basic func? |
| 16:23.00 | ndnihil | the BFS trick should help it for graphic heavy stuff |
| 16:23.07 | ndnihil | mkdir /debug |
| 16:23.07 | ndnihil | mount -t debugfs none /debug |
| 16:23.07 | ndnihil | echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS > /debug/sched_features |
| 16:23.32 | ndnihil | ask PaulFertser about details on that |
| 16:23.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that turned out to be completely useless |
| 16:24.10 | ndnihil | you sure? I noticed an immediate improvement for numptyphysics |
| 16:24.22 | ndnihil | scrolling "seemed" a bit better |
| 16:24.26 | Nebukadneza | bfs? |
| 16:24.52 | Nebukadneza | oh btw one other question |
| 16:25.00 | Nebukadneza | what is a nice way to sync SHR with a pc? |
| 16:25.02 | Nebukadneza | like, contacts? |
| 16:25.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | brainfuck scheduler |
| 16:26.01 | Nebukadneza | ""BFS is unrelated to the brainfuck programming language or the Be File System"" thank god! :) |
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| 16:35.56 | Nebukadneza | mhmm |
| 16:36.13 | Nebukadneza | so kernel recompile for BFS is a significant improvement for basic apps (phonebook/dialer) |
| 16:36.48 | Nebukadneza | and nothing else (except 16bpp) |
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| 16:38.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | i don't think bfs will bring any noticeable differences, and afaik it won't come for kernel anyway |
| 16:38.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | 16bpp is a major boost |
| 16:39.19 | SpeedEvil | 1bpp! |
| 16:39.26 | SpeedEvil | To match the new website |
| 16:39.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hehe |
| 16:40.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | incredibly awfull |
| 16:41.03 | SpeedEvil | Though it still uses (4bpp mode) a little less power on my 'new' shiny laptop |
| 16:43.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for speedup porpuses I suggest to open dialer in time. So it will pop up instantly whenever you need it |
| 16:44.56 | Nebukadneza | hm |
| 16:44.57 | Nebukadneza | ok |
| 16:45.08 | Nebukadneza | then only my sync problem remains |
| 16:45.17 | Nebukadneza | if i get it right, pisi only syncs the other way, right? |
| 16:49.38 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's not the BFS trick |
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| 16:49.58 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:50.04 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's just a way to tweak kernel scheduler that gives the same interactivity as BFS after the trick. |
| 16:51.26 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: BFS itself was more like an experiment that triggered a very fruitful and valuable discussion where tools for measuring actual latency and "interactivity" were developed and real bugs in CFS (mainline scheduler) were fixed making it equally suitable for both desktop and multi-core server boxes. |
| 16:55.44 | Nebukadneza | PaulFertser: ah, okay |
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| 17:03.18 | Nebukadneza | any ideas for syncing? : |
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| 17:29.35 | Nebukadneza | mmhmmm |
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| 17:29.53 | Nebukadneza | what to do with mokonnect if it doesnt find any wifis that are visible to iwlist eth0 scan? |
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| 17:33.42 | vanous123 | Nebukadneza: use iwlist s :) |
| 17:33.56 | Nebukadneza | well, i'd like a nice GUI - its already present after all |
| 17:40.35 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: i think mokonnect uses connman, check its configuration and try to use its api directly to diagnose the problem. |
| 17:41.02 | Nebukadneza | conman, okay |
| 17:41.42 | vanous123 | Nebukadneza: sometimes it finds the networks, sometimes it doesn't? |
| 17:42.26 | Nebukadneza | no, even if i'm next to the ap it doesnt |
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| 17:46.02 | vanous123 | i see |
| 17:46.39 | Nebukadneza | :/ |
| 17:46.50 | vanous123 | well, if this happened to me, i would try to observe in sh-settings if the wifi resource get's allocated by mokonnect |
| 17:47.16 | tschaka | Nebukadneza try, NWA http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA works pretty wellhere |
| 17:56.06 | Nebukadneza | tschaka: mhmm |
| 17:56.07 | Nebukadneza | problem |
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| 17:56.10 | Nebukadneza | how to get it on there |
| 17:56.46 | tschaka | there is a section "Installation" there. :) |
| 17:56.49 | Nebukadneza | wifi doesnt work, usbnet tells me to install conman-plugin-ethernet |
| 17:56.52 | Nebukadneza | so ... |
| 17:56.55 | Nebukadneza | no net for me :/ |
| 17:58.03 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: aha |
| 17:58.16 | tschaka | eh? i thought iwlist finds networks? sorry am a bit fuzzy right now. |
| 17:58.17 | Nebukadneza | but well, how to get it on there? :/ |
| 17:58.22 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: so you just miss a conman plugin and mokonnect will probably work. |
| 17:58.22 | Nebukadneza | tschaka: iwlist finds networks |
| 17:58.31 | Nebukadneza | PaulFertser: but ... how to install it without networking? |
| 17:58.45 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: just use iwconfig or wpa_supplicant as usual. |
| 17:58.50 | tschaka | oh. right |
| 17:58.57 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: and why not use usb networking?? |
| 17:59.05 | PaulFertser | To install the plugin. |
| 17:59.52 | Nebukadneza | because usb networking needs that plugin |
| 17:59.53 | Nebukadneza | apperently |
| 18:00.24 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: usb networking works out of the box |
| 18:00.30 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: no need for conman or anything. |
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| 18:01.03 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: no networking in fact needs that plugin, just conman and guis based on it. I don't understand what the hell you're talking about. |
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| 18:01.58 | tschaka | Nebukadneza check there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 18:04.44 | Nebukadneza | mkay |
| 18:04.46 | Nebukadneza | doing :) |
| 18:05.53 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: mokonnect... grr... |
| 18:06.52 | PaulFertser | [Rui]: well, i've never seen it so i can't really say if it's worth it. What i can say that using iwlist, then vim to edit wpa_supplicant.conf is a bit inconvenient even for me. |
| 18:11.17 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: mokonnect has extremely bad UI and has never worked for me, but has nice ideas as to where it would go if it worked |
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| 18:38.17 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: have looked at the shr user manual and am unsure what sections did you mean were taken from another parts of wiki and were outdated? |
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| 18:52.56 | PaulFertser | vanous123: ok, let me see |
| 18:54.05 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: i actually went through and perhaps someone already did some cleaning there... |
| 18:54.45 | vanous123 | the BT mentions only basics and perhaps this could be it... nothing else really jumps into my face directly... |
| 18:58.07 | PaulFertser | vanous123: properly packaged modules do not need depmod |
| 18:58.45 | PaulFertser | vanous123: recent uboot can read ext2 without issues, i don't understand why it's suggested to add a special fat16 partition. |
| 18:59.29 | PaulFertser | vanous123: booting depends on bootloader and at least with Qi you do not need to hold power button more than ~200ms. |
| 18:59.36 | PaulFertser | I guess even less is enough |
| 19:00.50 | PaulFertser | vanous123: "herefore you might want to create a swap partition." and then a swap file, not partition is created |
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| 19:01.15 | PaulFertser | vanous123: i guess the section is redudant anyway since it's usual GNU/Linux system and the swap file is created the usual way. |
| 19:01.34 | PaulFertser | vanous123: same is about changing password or using ssh key |
| 19:03.02 | PaulFertser | vanous123: i would really like to see FSO_Resources link mentioned _before_ description of how to change resource policies with SHRSettings |
| 19:04.30 | PaulFertser | vanous123: also fsoraw information and related stuff is duplicated later on the page. |
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| 19:05.20 | PaulFertser | vanous123: "Connect Bluetooth keyboard" is plain wrong, bluez3-specific. |
| 19:05.53 | vanous123 | but works :) |
| 19:05.55 | vanous123 | lol |
| 19:05.57 | PaulFertser | vanous123: pairing and gsm calls with bluetooth are also duplicated borrowed from Manually using resources. |
| 19:06.24 | PaulFertser | vanous123: "I you are using Qi and installation on a SD card, you can change the kernel parameter loglevel=1 1 in /boot/append-GTA02" <--- plain wrong |
| 19:06.59 | PaulFertser | vanous123: if you see any extra messages on screen with loglevel=4 you should report that as a bug on docs.openmoko.org component "System software". |
| 19:07.10 | PaulFertser | Same about "klogd -c 1", should be removed. |
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| 19:07.42 | PaulFertser | vanous123: TIA |
| 19:07.55 | vanous123 | TIA? |
| 19:07.56 | PaulFertser | vanous123: and thanks for you previous work too :) |
| 19:09.04 | vanous123 | thank you too |
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| 19:17.18 | Nebukadneza | zup |
| 19:17.20 | Nebukadneza | got usb net working |
| 19:17.20 | Nebukadneza | phew |
| 19:17.23 | Nebukadneza | brigding hell no |
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| 19:47.08 | vanous123 | mickeyl: checking on frameworkd.log after 1024 fix and cannot see any message regarding sleep (now set to adaptive). any hint what could be seen? |
| 19:47.59 | vanous123 | left it for about 20 minutes, perhaps this is not long enough yet... |
| 19:51.20 | PaulFertser | vanous123: when it detect recamping it outputs a message in the log |
| 19:53.08 | vanous123 | without checking on the sources :) i don't think you would remember what the message ind of sound like, but at least which daemon would be messaging? |
| 19:53.34 | PaulFertser | vanous123: first "checking for TI Calypso recamping bug..." |
| 19:53.46 | PaulFertser | vanous123: then "reregistering %d times within %d seconds. unreg/reg-Intervals are: %s" |
| 19:53.54 | PaulFertser | "reregistering factor: %.2f recampings/minute" |
| 19:54.01 | PaulFertser | "This TI Calypso device suffers from the recamping bug. Turning off sleep mode to recover." |
| 19:54.10 | PaulFertser | "Reenabling deep sleep mode on TI Calypso (giving it another chance)" |
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| 19:54.19 | PaulFertser | and possibly "Recamping bug occured, but TI Calypso is still out of deep sleep mode." |
| 19:55.02 | vanous123 | ok, so the word Recamping would be one to search for |
| 19:55.42 | PaulFertser | vanous123: i'd say -i recamping or in vim \crecamping |
| 19:56.54 | vanous123 | PaulFertser: so with "adaptive" settings, is any of these messages seen on startup or only after recamping has been detected? |
| 19:57.22 | Nebukadneza | PaulFertser: just installed connman-plugin-ethernet, mokonnect still won't let me configure usb telling me that i'm missing that plugin |
| 19:57.25 | Nebukadneza | files are all there |
| 19:57.35 | PaulFertser | vanous123: you're lazy ;) if self.lastStatus == "unregistered": |
| 19:57.54 | PaulFertser | if self.register in "home roaming".split(): |
| 19:57.54 | PaulFertser | gobject.idle_add( self._checkRecampingBug ) |
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| 19:58.20 | vanous123 | i have no fr here, doing this over jabber session with someone (who has my fr) now too :) |
| 19:58.20 | PaulFertser | Nebukadneza: well, you need to investigate that yourself. Probably you're missing some another important plugin |
| 19:58.28 | Nebukadneza | mhmm |
| 19:58.43 | PaulFertser | vanous123: you have the internet access so you should be able to access git.freesmartphone.org ;) |
| 19:58.56 | vanous123 | true :) |
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| 19:59.52 | vanous123 | but, you need to know which component is responsible, to be able to search :)) |
| 20:00.16 | kinneh | is it just me or has it been a while since any updates to shr-u ? |
| 20:01.31 | Nebukadneza | mhmm |
| 20:01.34 | Nebukadneza | best to check nwa :) |
| 20:03.45 | vanous123 | odpsd :) |
| 20:03.55 | vanous123 | ogpsd :)) |
| 20:04.17 | vanous123 | lol, cannot type today, ogsmd |
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| 20:20.24 | Nebukadneza | tschaka: ping |
| 20:20.32 | tschaka | ya |
| 20:21.06 | Nebukadneza | you said you use nwa and its kinda working and nice |
| 20:21.22 | Nebukadneza | just installed it from noko, got a little problem |
| 20:21.36 | Nebukadneza | when adding a network from the found list it doesnt pop up the keyboard |
| 20:21.56 | Nebukadneza | so i can't enter a name and click next to add a network |
| 20:22.19 | tschaka | whoops. try literki for that. search the mailing list for it or something. dont know if that worked for me. |
| 20:22.33 | tschaka | i mean, i dont know if the normal keyboard popped up there. |
| 20:22.49 | tschaka | but you could always open the shelf and click on qwerty there. which pops up the keyboard. |
| 20:24.19 | Nebukadneza | oh, didnt see that |
| 20:24.20 | Nebukadneza | thx |
| 20:24.26 | tschaka | yw |
| 20:24.30 | tschaka | good luck |
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| 20:42.55 | thegreen4me | is there an svg editor on shr? |
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| 20:44.04 | max_posedon | svg! editor! on neo! |
| 20:44.27 | max_posedon | This is main reason why I love openmoko community, I can be surprised every day |
| 20:45.16 | thegreen4me | im serious! |
| 20:45.31 | max_posedon | I understand, can suggest vim |
| 20:45.42 | max_posedon | I'm not sure that inskape ported and works well |
| 20:46.13 | thegreen4me | inkscape fails on neo |
| 20:46.26 | max_posedon | because of? |
| 20:47.18 | thegreen4me | the screen is too small to fit all of the buttons |
| 20:47.35 | thegreen4me | they just go off the side |
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| 23:28.17 | dohhe | Sooo I have just flashed the SHR-U image from 1st sep 09. Will I break my installation if I do 'opkg update && opkg upgrade'? |
| 23:35.43 | dohhe | Nobody knows? |
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