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| 02:20.03 | objorn | how many bluetooth devices at once does the freerunner support? |
| 02:25.08 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, I see you mentioned the N900 has been postponed until 10/30? Did you find that online somewhere? I've got one on pre-order, and I'm going nuts waiting for it. Some rumors have the shipping date pushed to *December*. |
| 02:31.34 | objorn | http://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Foldable-Resistant-WIRELESS-MULTIMEDIA/dp/B002BUEBJ8/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255570952&sr=8-23 looks nice if it's a rigid foldable and not a flexible rollable |
| 02:32.52 | objorn | was looking for something like http://www.amazon.com/HP-Foldable-Keyboard-for-Ipaq/dp/B000J4BPOC/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255573116&sr=8-34 |
| 02:34.07 | raster | KenYoung: boo! |
| 02:34.26 | KenYoung | raster, Boo? Why? |
| 02:34.41 | raster | boo to n900 being delayed |
| 02:34.59 | KenYoung | raster, Oh *that*. I couldn't agree more. |
| 02:35.42 | raster | :( |
| 02:36.47 | KenYoung | raster, If it shows up in their brick-and-mortar shop before my order ships, I'm driving to New York to get one. |
| 02:37.38 | raster | ahahhaahhaahahah |
| 02:38.05 | KenYoung | Better to risk ending up with two than go an extra day without even one. |
| 02:41.39 | objorn | the n900 isn't open hardware though :-( |
| 02:42.17 | raster | does it matter? |
| 02:42.32 | KenYoung | objorn, Yes, but what can you do. OM will probably never make another phone. |
| 02:42.43 | raster | om never will |
| 02:43.03 | raster | om doesnt even do linux anymore |
| 02:43.10 | objorn | what? |
| 02:43.14 | objorn | how so |
| 02:43.35 | raster | 1. they dont make any gta02's or 01's anymroe |
| 02:43.47 | KenYoung | I hope someday some (former) insider writes a tell-all book about Openmoko. |
| 02:43.51 | raster | they made stock are trying to sell off stock. they have no staff who do linux onboard anymore |
| 02:43.55 | raster | in facthave almost no staff |
| 02:44.50 | raster | the wikireader runs some microcontroller - the kind u find in microwaves |
| 02:45.13 | raster | it isnt a real cpu with an mmu- it cant run linux. it doesnt. they use some custom minimal rtos that can run. |
| 02:45.19 | raster | there is no "userspace" etc. on it |
| 02:45.35 | raster | its probably not even as advanced as the original gameboy |
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| 02:45.45 | raster | it is a VERY simple device |
| 02:45.46 | raster | VERY |
| 02:45.47 | objorn | wowzers, that n900 is $750 |
| 02:46.10 | KenYoung | If they had included the magnetron with the wikireader, they'd have had something. |
| 02:46.12 | raster | and i dont see a market for the wikireader at $99 if its is so primitive. |
| 02:48.09 | raster | objorn: in $US its $645 i thought |
| 02:48.17 | raster | tho they have removed the preorder option |
| 02:49.05 | raster | thats quite cheap actually |
| 02:49.15 | raster | most phones when new are about $700-$1200 |
| 02:49.17 | raster | or so |
| 02:49.27 | raster | smartphones... |
| 02:49.42 | KenYoung | raster, Nokia removed their pre-order? I think Amazon still accepts them. |
| 02:50.30 | raster | nokia has - all their sites |
| 02:50.34 | raster | (well uk, de and usa) |
| 02:50.47 | KenYoung | That's not good..... |
| 02:51.18 | KenYoung | I'm going to have to stalk one of the guys who's written an early review. |
| 02:51.37 | raster | wow |
| 02:51.42 | raster | amazon.com is at $589 |
| 02:52.08 | raster | err $583 |
| 02:52.11 | raster | much better |
| 03:00.31 | raster | but cant ship to here :( |
| 03:01.31 | KenYoung | raster, I'll send you one if you buy it in the US. |
| 03:01.52 | raster | u ordering via amazon too? |
| 03:01.58 | KenYoung | Yup. |
| 03:01.58 | raster | or did u already? |
| 03:02.07 | raster | u paid #583 |
| 03:02.10 | raster | $583 |
| 03:02.29 | KenYoung | Something like that. I ordered fastest shipping, which bumped it up. |
| 03:02.48 | KenYoung | I don't remember the exact price, but that's the ballpark. |
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| 03:06.23 | raster | i wonder if i can send to a non billing addr |
| 03:06.36 | raster | $582.99 |
| 03:07.01 | KenYoung | I ship stuff to my relatives all the time. But internationally that might now work. |
| 03:07.11 | KenYoung | (from Amazon) |
| 03:07.18 | raster | no - doesnt. |
| 03:07.31 | raster | they dont allow it to be shipped |
| 03:07.48 | KenYoung | raster, I can buy it for you, and you can send me a check. |
| 03:08.02 | raster | i can just wire transfer to u |
| 03:08.49 | KenYoung | raster, That's even better. |
| 03:08.49 | raster | give me a bit. i need to set up my hsbc us accoutn so i can do free wire transfers |
| 03:08.49 | raster | i go to the bank tomorrow anyway |
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| 03:09.38 | KenYoung | raster, I don;t think it's any big hurry, given the delays anounced. I'll pre-order a second one now. email me at orrery.moko@gmail.com if you want to go through with it. I'll cancel in a while if I hear nothing. |
| 03:10.27 | raster | sure - i'll let u know tomorrow if its easy or hard for me. i can wire xfer without ssetting up account. but its more costly |
| 03:10.42 | raster | since i get free intl accounts... mayaswell use it |
| 03:15.32 | KenYoung | Goodnight! |
| 03:16.05 | raster | nite! |
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| 03:29.59 | objorn | how much longer until the n900 dices its prices in half? |
| 03:30.28 | raster | maybe 1-2 years |
| 03:30.38 | raster | possibly 3 |
| 03:30.42 | raster | so 2 +-1 |
| 03:31.32 | mostly_useless | so 1 year? |
| 03:31.47 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.57 | raster | most phones come to half price in that range |
| 03:32.04 | raster | depends on demand and supply etc. tho |
| 03:32.08 | raster | and if maker has new phones yet |
| 03:32.09 | raster | etc. |
| 03:32.12 | mostly_useless | right. we're dealing with fuzzy math. (2 + -1) = 2-ish. |
| 03:32.22 | raster | yes |
| 03:32.32 | raster | 2 plus or minus 1 year |
| 03:32.51 | mostly_useless | I know. just thought it was funny the way it came out typed. :-) |
| 03:34.43 | raster | :) |
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| 05:13.28 | objorn | how smooth is the software? what works, what doesn't |
| 05:13.38 | objorn | how does it compare to the n810? |
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| 05:36.25 | mostly_useless | the software is like a baby's bottom. |
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| 06:23.36 | beer | morning |
| 06:26.15 | objorn | morning |
| 06:26.18 | tomcatek | morning |
| 06:26.35 | objorn | what about keyboard, i keep seeing complaints about the keyboard |
| 06:26.39 | objorn | how's that coming along |
| 06:26.52 | objorn | having the ability to rotate and use a large keyboard |
| 06:27.07 | mostly_useless | beer: your name is pretty much the extent of my night. |
| 06:27.29 | objorn | http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/ are really nice themes, good going |
| 06:27.36 | lindi- | objorn: "the keyboard"? |
| 06:27.41 | objorn | the touch keyboard |
| 06:28.00 | objorn | ..software keyboard |
| 06:28.07 | lindi- | objorn: there are many virtual keyboards. |
| 06:28.30 | objorn | would like to see |
| 06:29.02 | objorn | how big? |
| 06:29.18 | lindi- | objorn: you can resize |
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| 11:18.20 | alabd | good day everyone , What is FR SAR ? |
| 11:19.24 | SpeedEvil | SAR? |
| 11:19.30 | SpeedEvil | you mean SRA? |
| 11:21.59 | alabd | no sar solved , SpeedEvil also you have FR ? |
| 11:22.18 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:25.26 | alabd | sar http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080902 |
| 11:25.33 | alabd | SAR |
| 11:26.57 | alabd | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td833107 |
| 11:27.24 | SpeedEvil | Practically, I have questions that it's ever meaningfull. |
| 11:30.32 | alabd | what ? |
| 11:30.49 | SpeedEvil | SRA |
| 11:31.25 | SpeedEvil | I've seen little evidence that it's actually an issue. Plus, if you're worried, you can go to bluetooth headsets |
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| 11:39.22 | alabd | or buying these http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6602_7-5020356-1.html?v |
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| 12:29.20 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0822a2d5fcde 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind pager_set_style() |
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| 12:47.45 | badcloud | am I the only one not thrilled by the wikireader? |
| 12:48.09 | PaulFertser | badcloud: no |
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| 12:49.01 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i think if they produced a decent e-book reader with ability to read wikipedia, it'd indeed cool and novel. |
| 12:49.13 | lindi- | badcloud: if the price was $30 it'd be cool to program |
| 12:50.02 | badcloud | I just think the possibilities with a cell phone are endless because virtually *everyone* has one |
| 12:50.19 | lindi- | badcloud: i think the choice of not using linux was good, they should have built openmoko also with only microcontroller and no linux |
| 12:50.44 | lindi- | badcloud: (to keep things simple, cheap, reliable and to consume less power) |
| 12:51.37 | badcloud | sounds logical |
| 12:52.10 | badcloud | it just seems like wikireader is there to "pay the bills" |
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| 12:52.25 | badcloud | it seems like a step in the wrong direction, development-wise |
| 12:53.43 | badcloud | I have always thought of Sean as a visionary, from the way he talks and obviously what he says |
| 12:54.24 | dcordes_ | nobody will buy wikireader |
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| 12:54.46 | badcloud | I just don't get his motives. it seems like such a sellout |
| 12:54.55 | dcordes_ | everybody has a smartphone with internets. why would anybody want a wikireader? |
| 12:55.12 | badcloud | I think nerdy rich kids will have their parents buy it for them |
| 12:55.22 | dcordes_ | I don't think so |
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| 12:56.02 | dcordes_ | not even if apple would sell iWikireader |
| 12:56.07 | PaulFertser | dcordes_: in fact i do not have 24h net access. And gprs is slow and cubersome anyway. I'm likely to postpone wikipedia reading if i'm on a road till i get home. |
| 12:56.29 | badcloud | I'm with you guys |
| 12:57.04 | badcloud | when has anyone been away from the internet thinking "I *need* to know the etymology of the word marriage"? |
| 12:57.10 | PaulFertser | dcordes_: and btw i didn't have a smartphone before buying gta02 which is hardly usable anyway. |
| 12:57.57 | badcloud | true |
| 12:58.12 | badcloud | I'm still missing calls with shr-u latest because of the damn touchscreen |
| 12:58.23 | dcordes_ | badcloud, that example is nice :) |
| 12:58.42 | badcloud | dcordes_, which example? |
| 12:58.56 | dcordes_ | the when has anyone been away from the internet thinking "I *need* to know the etymology of the word marriage"? one |
| 12:58.58 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i do not exactly miss call but for gprs i sometimes have to restart frameworkd+muxer. |
| 12:59.04 | badcloud | oh, thanks *blush* |
| 12:59.44 | badcloud | I also don't get number-->contact recognition for incoming calls/sms/phonelog |
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| 13:01.37 | badcloud | oh well, it's like the Cohen bros |
| 13:01.48 | badcloud | sometimes they make art flics |
| 13:02.01 | badcloud | and sometimes they make shit with George Clooney to pay the bills |
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| 14:59.44 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey|office -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* ||SHR: Just ign |
| 14:59.54 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey|office -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* || |
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| 16:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | raster: ( tho they have removed the preorder option) http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534§ion_id=912&culture=de-DE |
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| 17:23.10 | Defiant- | hmm. Now I finally know which app I'm missing on the freerunner from the beginning: http://www.bigclock.de/#screenshots |
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| 17:27.31 | slaxxer | so have u built it yet? |
| 17:28.01 | slaxxer | put it on the applications page for us |
| 17:28.24 | slaxxer | i like the black/grey setup |
| 17:29.14 | slaxxer | i wish i had shr-u with a black keyboard with white letters |
| 17:29.29 | slaxxer | is there a theme like that |
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| 17:34.03 | Defiant- | slaxxer: this is a palm app |
| 17:34.43 | Defiant- | slaxxer: But I intend to launch qtdesigner later this day |
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| 17:44.36 | slaxxer | will this be a clock app? |
| 17:44.53 | slaxxer | designer for? |
| 17:45.04 | lindi- | Defiant-: what's wrong with xclock? ;) |
| 17:45.44 | slaxxer | is xclock on opkg? |
| 17:45.57 | slaxxer | or the applications page? |
| 17:46.18 | lindi- | slaxxer: no idea, xclock is a standard tool that is ages old |
| 17:46.27 | slaxxer | i know |
| 17:46.46 | slaxxer | an it still works well |
| 17:47.19 | Defiant- | lindi-: Never liked xclock |
| 17:47.51 | lindi- | Defiant-: why? |
| 17:48.00 | slaxxer | not enough eye candy? |
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| 17:48.42 | slaxxer | no places to hide bloat |
| 17:48.42 | slaxxer | ? |
| 17:49.47 | slaxxer | lindi i have debian on my sdcard but the gsm fails |
| 17:50.09 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.21 | lindi- | enable logging, debug |
| 17:51.16 | slaxxer | i guess its not a known problem lately? |
| 17:51.25 | slaxxer | su |
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| 17:54.09 | slaxxer | :) |
| 17:54.58 | Defiant- | lindi-: well I like the "big hour,minute", big day of month, but small rest |
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| 18:22.46 | PBeck | hi |
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| 22:04.21 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r894c29a34f8c 10/fsogsmd/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: first bits of generic callhandler infrastructure |
| 22:07.19 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3c517925c2a9 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: remove duplicated signal declarations which are now invalid in Vala |
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| 22:35.51 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r506356428e53 10/fsodeviced/ (9 files in 4 dirs): fsodeviced: use libfsoresource instead of own stuff; catch up with recent Vala sanity checks |
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| 22:39.37 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1c574f327f34 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/types.vala: libfsobasics: fix types namespace and add Pair<T1,T2> |
| 22:39.38 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd921d41bb708 10/fsousaged/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 22:39.39 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: rename controller to dbus_service. |
| 22:39.39 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Sorry folks, but you need to adjust your configuration. |
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| 23:08.18 | slaxxer | i have the 101209 shr-u from mrmoku |
| 23:09.51 | joerg_42 | my condolations ;-) |
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| 23:13.45 | KenYoung | joerg_42, What's wrong with 101209 shr-u from mrmoku? |
| 23:16.08 | joerg_42 | dunno, but you can read ~20 scary reports every day, from the devs |
| 23:17.06 | KenYoung | Yeah, I've got an SHR setup that works pretty well, and I've been too frightened to upgrade it for months. |
| 23:17.48 | joerg_42 | as long as they don't manage to merge that shit into unstable at least (not to mention the long-pending testing image), I won't give that a try (as KenYoung suggests) |
| 23:18.13 | slaxxer | im brave |
| 23:18.30 | joerg_42 | KenYoung: the german nokia site still says 10/30 |
| 23:18.53 | joerg_42 | slaxxer: nah, you probably don't need a phone |
| 23:19.06 | slaxxer | are u done with the moko? |
| 23:19.21 | joerg_42 | slaxxer: almost |
| 23:19.31 | KenYoung | joerg_42, Well, It's *possible* I can live that long without it, but if it slips into November, I'll probably climb up into a clock tower and start sniping. |
| 23:19.37 | joerg_42 | as it doesn't progress at all |
| 23:19.58 | joerg_42 | KenYoung: same here |
| 23:19.59 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: the uk nokia site says 'probably november' |
| 23:20.51 | slaxxer | i can make a call |
| 23:21.15 | slaxxer | not buzzing at the moment |
| 23:21.16 | joerg_42 | SpeedEvil: that sounds quite equal as "probably 10/30" |
| 23:22.13 | slaxxer | i want to see another shr testing since SHR stands forStable Hybrid release |
| 23:22.26 | joerg_42 | slaxxer: if I dial a number and it's busy, it takes me >60sec to "redial" |
| 23:23.43 | joerg_42 | but obviously migration to xorg is more exciting to devs than streamlining the basic apps |
| 23:25.07 | joerg_42 | the suggested feature freeze for a testing image also never seems to take place |
| 23:26.33 | slaxxer | nobodys phonr rings busy here |
| 23:26.39 | slaxxer | *e |
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| 23:44.37 | joerg_42 | slaxxer: either I didn't get it - or I didn't get it. |
| 23:45.57 | joerg_42 | if that's been a pun, then sorry. otherwise... of corse the phone does not ring when I try to call someone and I get busy signal |
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