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| 01:29.00 | Cristianpark1 | Hi guys, I'm using my FR (with SHR) as main phone. I experienced sometimes that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start |
| 01:30.12 | Cristianpark1 | I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if it's supossed to solve this issue |
| 01:34.37 | Cristianpark1 | can you give me some advices to take in count when I have this problem? |
| 01:37.30 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, I can't, though I wish I could This IRC channel is not very active anymore. You might get better results by posting a question to the cumminity mailing list. It is pretty active. |
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| 01:45.13 | Cristianpark1 | KenYoung: I'm sorry to hear that. I think that we have a nice way to communicate by IRC |
| 01:45.32 | Cristianpark1 | we can't let die this IRC channel |
| 01:46.09 | KenYoung | I agree. I hang out here a bit, but sadly I don't know enough to answer anything except the very easiest questions. |
| 01:47.20 | KenYoung | I resonded to your question in part just to let you know someone is here besides CIA-42 ! |
| 01:48.30 | Cristianpark1 | thanks for the answer, always is good to know that at least you're talking to some human being |
| 01:50.11 | KenYoung | I would have to say I have never see the problem you are reporting, and I've been running SHR for months. Maybe you've just got a buggy version, and reloading with an older or newer release of SHR might help. Did your problem begin after an SHR upgrade? |
| 01:51.18 | Cristianpark1 | it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so I can have them in the order I want |
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| 01:52.21 | Cristianpark1 | when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via SSH) and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop |
| 01:52.52 | Cristianpark1 | I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message: restarting xserver |
| 01:54.07 | Cristianpark1 | so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR starts, I don't have GSM services |
| 01:54.56 | Cristianpark1 | I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get GSM active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything |
| 01:55.55 | Cristianpark1 | note that I have last SHR |
| 01:56.10 | Cristianpark1 | with the ERROR: Cannot Satisfy issu |
| 01:56.11 | Cristianpark1 | e |
| 01:57.32 | KenYoung | Well, I have my FR running SHR, so if you want me to check any files etc on a working phone, I can do that for you. But probably not much else. |
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| 02:12.27 | Cristianpark1 | KenYoung, I didn't see your answer, hehe. Maybe you can check if your /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop have weird characters in the app name in other languages different than english |
| 02:14.06 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, Yes, there are lots of non-latin characters in that file. Arabic, some derivitive of Sanscrit, Greek, etc. |
| 02:15.02 | KenYoung | Japanese, Korean - lots of names. |
| 02:15.33 | KenYoung | Sorry about my poor spelling. |
| 02:16.17 | Cristianpark1 | thanks, right now I have GSM working but I'll restart soon with the sim card with wich I'm having the problem and let you know |
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| 02:33.44 | Cristianpark1 | have you tried Android? |
| 02:34.24 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, Yes, I had Android on one of my Freerunners for a while, and I have a G1 with Android. |
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| 02:35.27 | Cristianpark1 | And how good is it on the FR¿? |
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| 02:36.00 | KenYoung | Not as good as SHR, IMO. |
| 02:36.25 | KenYoung | But it does work. |
| 02:36.59 | KenYoung | I never tried WiFI or GPRS with it, though. |
| 02:37.59 | KenYoung | For me SHR works well enough that I only need to reboot about once every three days. |
| 02:38.34 | KenYoung | WiFi is OK, at home at least. GPRS is reliable, but of course very slow. |
| 02:40.38 | Cristianpark1 | I like SHR too |
| 02:40.44 | Cristianpark1 | Its very user friendly |
| 02:41.57 | Cristianpark1 | but I had some issues with wifi on my previous installation |
| 02:42.11 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, You probably saw the poll conducted a few weeks ago surveying which distribution FR users ran. SHR had an order of magnitude more users than any other distribution. Basically nearly everyone runs SHR. |
| 02:42.16 | Cristianpark1 | how do you make to connect with SHR? I did it with wpa_supplicant |
| 02:42.48 | Cristianpark1 | but I couldn't get Wifi working every time |
| 02:42.50 | KenYoung | I use Mofi, though most people do not. Mofi is losing "Market Share", I think. |
| 02:43.15 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, WiFI does not work everywhere for me either. |
| 02:43.28 | Cristianpark1 | but does it works well? |
| 02:44.01 | KenYoung | When it works at all, it works well. COnnections last for many hours. As long as I want, basically. |
| 02:44.36 | mostly_useless | "When it works at all, it works well." <-- my thoughts exactly. |
| 02:45.28 | KenYoung | mostly_useless, Yes, sadly for me, it doesn't work at all with my workplace WiFi. |
| 02:45.54 | KenYoung | But at home, no problems. |
| 02:46.27 | Cristianpark1 | KenYoung: what encryption uses your home wifi? |
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| 02:48.02 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, WPA |
| 02:48.25 | Cristianpark1 | Mofi is on the SHR repo? |
| 02:49.00 | mostly_useless | KenYoung: I get about 50/50. sometimes it works beautifully, and sometimes it a frustrated battle of boy vs. machine. |
| 02:49.11 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, Yes, at least it was when I last loaded a new SHR, which was a couple of months ago. |
| 02:49.58 | mostly_useless | KenYoung: seems to be every distro with me. haven't yet found a solution. |
| 02:50.02 | Cristianpark1 | KenYoung: Thank you |
| 02:52.23 | KenYoung | mostly_useless, For what it's worth, on my home WiFi, FR WiFi is flawless. |
| 02:53.14 | mostly_useless | KenYoung: I think I need to play with tx power. haven't gotten around to it yet. I've been busy playing with android. |
| 02:56.10 | KenYoung | mostly_useless, I'm curious, why do you use Android rather than SHR? |
| 03:02.03 | mostly_useless | KenYoung: I'm one of the strange ones I guess. used SHR for a while, didn't like it. I like android's interface. it's slick. I also like the java application layer. many neat apps can be written in a really productive amount of time and just like standard j2me, chances are it's gonna run on every other android phone without modification. also, I dig green robots. |
| 03:03.53 | mostly_useless | KenYoung: I've been wandering around the cave of nix for a decade now, so it's not a matter of being windows-washed - I just like it. :-) |
| 03:04.58 | KenYoung | mostly_useless, Well, if you like java, it all makes sense. |
| 03:05.49 | mostly_useless | KenYoung: I think it helps too that I'm taking classes on java atm. it's neat to see it all fit together on a larger scale. |
| 03:10.10 | Cristianpark1 | take care guys, thanks for the help and the tips about wifi connection |
| 03:10.29 | KenYoung | Cristianpark1, Did you try your other SIM? |
| 03:10.42 | Cristianpark1 | I'll get some rest, tomorrow I'll be here with the results of that try |
| 03:10.56 | Cristianpark1 | I was formatting MicroSD Card to install Android |
| 03:11.34 | Cristianpark1 | so I can't reboot FR yet, but tomorrow I'll come with the results |
| 03:11.39 | Cristianpark1 | bye and thanks |
| 03:12.06 | Cristianpark1 | have open dreams |
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| 04:38.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5688 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (ecn0010.txt ecn0038.txt): |
| 04:38.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: ECN0010: |
| 04:38.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - added function of removed components as suggested by Werner |
| 04:38.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - added missing cap C4114 to the removed components |
| 04:38.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - added short explaination why R4404 will be removed |
| 04:39.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: ECN0038: |
| 04:39.05 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - added change of C4128 to 47pF after brief discussion with Joerg |
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| 09:26.56 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, Hi |
| 09:27.04 | panicking | sorry for yesterday |
| 09:27.18 | panicking | Do you design the Gta03 |
| 09:27.19 | panicking | ? |
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| 09:37.51 | raster | panicking: gta03 doesnt and won't exist. no one works on it (anymore) |
| 09:38.32 | panicking | ok, but it is possible to connect the display of gta02 on the gta03. The gta03 board has the connector or |
| 09:38.36 | panicking | it is possible to adapt it |
| 09:39.34 | panicking | raster, I don't see it on the board |
| 09:40.00 | raster | gta02 doesnt exist... |
| 09:40.06 | raster | err gta03 i mean |
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| 09:56.44 | meuh | So what ? No one talk about http://thewikireader.com/ |
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| 09:57.24 | meuh | it should be on the channel topic |
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| 10:13.06 | raster | meuh: why? |
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| 10:39.29 | meuh | raster: if i'm not wrong, wikireader is openmoko plan B |
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| 10:42.42 | raster | meuh: yes.and its about as exciting and interesting as toejam :) |
| 10:42.56 | raster | 1. doesnt run linux. not even capable of it. runs some rtos |
| 10:43.07 | raster | 2. its a dum b&w lcd. |
| 10:43.20 | raster | 3. no wifi, bt or any interesting connectivity |
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| 10:43.51 | raster | its dum sotage + low end simply cpu that cant run linux. + cheap b&w low-res lcd |
| 10:44.11 | SpeedEvil | raster: random: would you happen to know anything about bare die avaiability of SoCs/RAM/... ? |
| 10:44.26 | raster | SpeedEvil: nup. :( |
| 10:44.50 | SpeedEvil | k. |
| 10:45.43 | meuh | raster: at last some technical data, thanks |
| 10:45.51 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r0faabe776bbc 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: mickeyterm: try to fail gracefully when we can't read anymore |
| 10:46.17 | raster | meuh: u'll find out soon enough. |
| 10:46.49 | raster | trust me whan i say its incredibly uninteresting in terms of features power or software. |
| 10:48.05 | raster | you run an app on your desktop thgat downloads all of wikipedia then converts it into really simple files that the device is capable of finally processing. |
| 10:48.35 | raster | if u like that.. then thats great. |
| 10:49.03 | SpeedEvil | Not all apps benefit from linux. |
| 10:49.05 | meuh | yeah, but will this help openmoko (inc) to grow in business ? |
| 10:49.26 | SpeedEvil | Though I'm semi-seriously considering replacing my microwave oven controller with X/linux |
| 10:49.28 | raster | but this is not the kind of device i'd be interested in. i want it to be able to run software i write and use :) |
| 10:49.53 | raster | meuh: i doubt it. everyone quit/left/was fired fromopenmoko |
| 10:50.05 | raster | no one works there anymore that used to who is technical at all |
| 10:50.11 | raster | even most of sales and marketing went |
| 10:50.22 | raster | the company turned into a 2 man show - sean + will. |
| 10:50.23 | raster | thats it |
| 10:50.37 | raster | the wikireader was the last brainchild of seans |
| 10:51.20 | raster | nothing more will come out of om - i'm relatively sure almost no one who worked there ever would want to go back |
| 10:51.33 | raster | and good luck to the new suckers who think its a great idea :) |
| 10:52.06 | SpeedEvil | wikireader isn't a bad idea - but execution is problematic |
| 10:53.34 | meuh | SpeedEvil: it reminds me OLPC XO-1 ... an egg of OLPC XO-1, just too limited, just too expensive |
| 10:53.58 | raster | SpeedEvil: at $99.. thats expensive for very little ther |
| 10:54.05 | raster | there |
| 10:54.15 | raster | for $140 you get a smartq5 |
| 10:54.32 | raster | 128m ram, 800x480 4.3" lcd, wifi, s3c6410 @667 mhz |
| 10:54.39 | SpeedEvil | raster: and lots less IO |
| 10:55.02 | raster | als usb connmection, sd card slow, and 1gb of flash on board |
| 10:55.11 | raster | for $1 less.. u get.. wikireader. |
| 10:55.14 | raster | err $41 |
| 10:55.22 | SpeedEvil | It's a _microwave_oven_controller_ |
| 10:55.29 | lindi- | raster: but how long will the battery last in that smartq5? |
| 10:55.46 | SpeedEvil | The direct replacement - with 16*2 char display is about half the price |
| 10:55.59 | SpeedEvil | And it doesn't do nice stuff it could - like proper bread rising cycle |
| 10:56.15 | raster | lindi-: depends i guess. but thats a full color backlit 800x480 lcd. and a cpu thats maybe something like 200x or 500x the speed of the wikireader |
| 10:56.22 | raster | its a mountain more machine for very little more |
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| 10:56.46 | lindi- | raster: yep, but you don't need that to read wikipedia |
| 10:56.56 | raster | if the wikireader was $20 - it might be a cool "spare cash i dont know what to do with" toy. |
| 10:56.59 | raster | no u dont |
| 10:57.18 | meuh | why not a wiki-'Speak & Spell'-reader ? :) |
| 10:57.30 | raster | but why would i read wikipedia on that when i have pc's all around my home all online and ready to see wikipedia with images and videos... |
| 10:57.31 | raster | :) |
| 10:59.47 | raster | as SpeedEvil said. wikireader is on the level of a microwave oven controller.. and at the same price. :) it's no interestign technology. its cheap technology that has now become so pervasive and cheap that its stuck into everything from microwaves to car keys :) |
| 11:00.38 | raster | feel free to buy one if u like - but to me.. thats a high price for very little. |
| 11:01.00 | SpeedEvil | raster: err - no. - not quite. |
| 11:01.26 | SpeedEvil | raster: I was answering the 'why not get a smartq' - vs the 3.4" deb-board |
| 11:01.40 | SpeedEvil | what is the wiki reader price? |
| 11:01.45 | raster | $99 |
| 11:02.00 | raster | for what is i think an 8 or 16bit microcontroller cpu |
| 11:02.08 | meuh | too expensive for the target |
| 11:02.10 | raster | i dont think there is an ram beyond cpu built-in |
| 11:02.32 | raster | a b&w non-baclit lcd that from the photos looks quite low-res |
| 11:02.34 | raster | s touchscreen tho |
| 11:02.36 | raster | 3 buttons |
| 11:02.39 | SpeedEvil | I may be going out on a limb, but I don't think this device is going to fund gta03 :/ |
| 11:02.40 | raster | 2xaa battery slots |
| 11:02.48 | raster | and an sd card slot to hold the wiki data |
| 11:02.57 | raster | no chance |
| 11:03.13 | raster | i dont see it going in high volumes |
| 11:03.41 | raster | the margins at the low volumes sean can do means the profit is maybe $50 on a good day i imagine |
| 11:03.58 | raster | i expect he might sell some |
| 11:04.08 | raster | but its not going to fund gta023 |
| 11:04.10 | raster | gta03 |
| 11:04.14 | raster | for that he'll need millions |
| 11:05.04 | raster | and for that if he didnt drop price he'd probablyt have to sell 200k wikireaders |
| 11:05.07 | raster | tho cost price will go down with that many units |
| 11:05.19 | raster | but he'll have to drop retail price too eventually |
| 11:05.55 | SpeedEvil | >100k for gta02-core I guess. |
| 11:06.08 | raster | similar |
| 11:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-10-13 12:55:22] <SpeedEvil> It's a _microwave_oven_controller_ |
| 11:06.14 | SpeedEvil | If doing it cheap, and it all just works out right |
| 11:06.20 | raster | to do gta03 i dont think he'd get away with less than $10mil to do it |
| 11:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | it's a TOASTER. I always told ya ;-D |
| 11:06.34 | raster | DocScrutinizer: hehehhe |
| 11:06.40 | raster | DocScrutinizer: got your n900 yet? |
| 11:07.02 | SpeedEvil | And that's the other giant in the room |
| 11:07.16 | SpeedEvil | back in 2007-8 there wasn't really any open-source linux phones. |
| 11:07.35 | raster | indeed |
| 11:07.36 | SpeedEvil | in 2009-10 - nokia at least releases a very shiny one - that's at least largely open |
| 11:07.39 | raster | even n900 iast 100% open |
| 11:07.43 | raster | but i'd say its "open enough" |
| 11:08.02 | raster | dont forget the samsung 360 |
| 11:08.16 | raster | als normal linux os, dbus for copmms, x11 for windowing system |
| 11:08.30 | raster | march of the "real linux phones" is beginning |
| 11:08.32 | SpeedEvil | Yes - I mean that's intended to be open to the user |
| 11:08.42 | SpeedEvil | for example - n900 you get root |
| 11:09.02 | lindi- | if only you could charge the battery :) |
| 11:09.03 | raster | woot! |
| 11:09.09 | SpeedEvil | There are unfortunate noises being made about DRM and such for the next version, but... |
| 11:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | raster: moinmoin. Nah, Nokia postponed shipping date to 10/30 |
| 11:09.22 | raster | drm for what tho? |
| 11:09.34 | raster | DocScrutinizer: booo! (monin btw) |
| 11:09.46 | SpeedEvil | raster: signed kernel/apps/... toallow for branding, and 'security' |
| 11:10.01 | meuh | Nokia loaned some n900 to KDE developper, but it's not the regular phone you could buy |
| 11:10.19 | raster | SpeedEvil: well io guess that depends in the end. if they sell the full-retail-from-nokia one without drm and the one subsidised by telcos with.. i dont mind |
| 11:10.26 | raster | i'll just buy the full retail one |
| 11:11.06 | SpeedEvil | In hte UK, htere are people offering it on 45 quid 12 month contracts - independant phone shops |
| 11:11.28 | raster | damn. thats not bad |
| 11:11.31 | SpeedEvil | they get a kick-back for the contract they sell with the phone, htat they then apply to the phone to reduce the price |
| 11:11.31 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:11.57 | raster | well 45x12... is just 40quid over the uk retail price |
| 11:12.03 | raster | and with that u ALSO got phone service |
| 11:12.12 | SpeedEvil | Add to the annoying fact that you simply can't buy contracts with no phone for the same price as that. |
| 11:12.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 11:12.37 | raster | as longas after 12 months the phone is mine to do with as i please etc. |
| 11:13.04 | SpeedEvil | yes - but after that - you're still paying 30/mo or so for connectivity equal to the 45. |
| 11:13.06 | SpeedEvil | which sucks. |
| 11:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I really am buffled every time I hear about other countries insane contract policies |
| 11:13.43 | raster | sure |
| 11:13.48 | raster | but then u can switch as contract is up |
| 11:14.14 | SpeedEvil | raster: yes - but there is no internet + voice plan at under 30 quid/mo. |
| 11:14.58 | raster | sure |
| 11:15.18 | raster | but thats the same with or without a locked phone |
| 11:16.03 | SpeedEvil | not quite - with a locked phone, you'd typically be building up 'credit' towards a phone upgrade. |
| 11:16.21 | raster | true |
| 11:16.47 | raster | so you choose to lock yourself to the telco in return for candy |
| 11:17.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hey guys, I'd think that's *all* just credit-contracts with really poor conditions |
| 11:17.49 | raster | in the end tyhe phone costs $x |
| 11:18.00 | raster | chances arer the telco can buy it for $x -$y |
| 11:18.07 | raster | maybe 30% off, 40% off |
| 11:18.23 | raster | ok. so now l3ets say a $500 phone is now $300 |
| 11:18.32 | SpeedEvil | I've investigated the UIK market pretty thouroughly alas. You don't get cheaper than the contract rate if you're using a reasonable amount of data - say 500M-1G/mo |
| 11:18.33 | raster | the telco spend $300 on you. they WILL want that back somehow |
| 11:18.38 | raster | WITH interest |
| 11:18.46 | raster | otherwise the telco is just losing money hand over fist |
| 11:18.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | at least here in Germany you *always* save money on buying the device and get a really good barebones contract for GSM-carrier |
| 11:19.16 | raster | DocScrutinizer-8: net shlecht |
| 11:19.22 | raster | but each ountry varies i guess |
| 11:19.31 | raster | based on its laws and just how customers work |
| 11:19.55 | raster | i bet you the germans are overall much more business-minded about their phones and making sure they get a good deal - doing the math etc. |
| 11:20.21 | raster | i really wish providers would give up with these bloody caps |
| 11:20.41 | raster | "on the $49 cap you get $500 worth of calls, texts and 200gb of data!" |
| 11:20.56 | raster | and yes they dont advertise their per-minute call rates anymore |
| 11:20.58 | raster | they used to |
| 11:21.20 | raster | why dont they just go "$49 get u $49 worth of calls+sms" |
| 11:21.22 | raster | and then list |
| 11:21.35 | raster | "call rate $0.10/minute, sms's $0.10" etc, etc, |
| 11:22.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | here you get prepaid that's exactly that |
| 11:22.24 | raster | thats how it should be |
| 11:22.42 | SpeedEvil | here too. |
| 11:22.53 | raster | so i can see telco a charges me $0.10/m telco b is $0.15 per min but data rates are half of telco a's |
| 11:22.53 | SpeedEvil | But prepaid sucks if you want data |
| 11:23.09 | raster | yeah |
| 11:23.14 | raster | i'm on a $0 account |
| 11:23.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: not here anymore |
| 11:23.23 | raster | one awseom bit about optus.. $0 accounts. |
| 11:23.33 | raster | make no calls, no sms's - just receive and it costs u $0 |
| 11:23.39 | raster | no limits |
| 11:23.45 | SpeedEvil | -that's the norm here |
| 11:23.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I get a 5GB "flatrate" for EUR 25/month |
| 11:23.47 | raster | but data u charge thru the nose. |
| 11:23.54 | SpeedEvil | (though you need to call once every 90 days) |
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| 11:24.06 | SpeedEvil | (and 1 day of internet is 1-2 pounds on 3G |
| 11:24.07 | raster | SpeedEvil: not on mine. i lived in japan for 4 years on this acocunt |
| 11:24.22 | raster | i used it maybe every 1-2 years when i came back to au to visit |
| 11:24.22 | raster | :) |
| 11:24.40 | raster | but despite my awseom acocunt... i had to add data |
| 11:24.47 | raster | so for $10/mo i get 200mb. |
| 11:24.52 | raster | thats more than i need, so i'm happy. |
| 11:25.03 | raster | but at least its separate to my voice / sms plan |
| 11:25.05 | raster | which is good |
| 11:25.12 | SpeedEvil | Deeply annoyingly, my telco offers 15/mo for 1G of data. |
| 11:25.22 | SpeedEvil | But you can't have voice or SMS witht hat |
| 11:25.24 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:25.31 | SpeedEvil | 15 - for 1G - that doesn't expire I mean |
| 11:25.49 | raster | not bad |
| 11:26.05 | raster | i am just waiting for the day its all just data |
| 11:26.08 | raster | and u pay for your data |
| 11:26.13 | raster | voice, sms - its all data. |
| 11:26.19 | raster | and then prices get silly |
| 11:26.22 | raster | like $1 for 10gb |
| 11:27.00 | SpeedEvil | gets out of bath. |
| 11:27.17 | raster | PANTS ON! |
| 11:27.27 | SpeedEvil | Now, yes. |
| 11:27.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: I pay EUR30/month. From that I get the 5GB-flat, a EUR5 for special calls left. And O2 gives me anothe EUR30 "bonus" on top of it, which I can use for "normal" calls and sms |
| 11:27.56 | SpeedEvil | Not bad at all |
| 11:28.24 | raster | DocScrutinizer-8: thats decent |
| 11:28.40 | SpeedEvil | Though these comparisons are misleading somewhat - the cell-towes do cost varying amount sin different countries to upkeep |
| 11:29.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | meanwhile that bonus-account is up to 100 and some bucks |
| 11:31.28 | raster | SpeedEvil: i am wondering why it would cost differently betwene uk and de |
| 11:31.33 | raster | betwen au and uk definitely |
| 11:31.38 | raster | au is by far a different land |
| 11:31.56 | raster | huge with few people - hard to cover.long distances to go to maintain towers etc. |
| 11:32.22 | raster | mountainous countries like korea will be hard to cover/service too |
| 11:32.55 | SpeedEvil | In north korea you don't need 3G - just pictures of the great leader in prominent places. |
| 11:33.02 | raster | well south korea :) |
| 11:33.23 | raster | north korea is a wonderful basket case of its own :) |
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| 11:51.37 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: (led BL efficiency) the guy provided the data in the new mail, i think you might want to look at it. |
| 11:51.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 11:51.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | thanks |
| 11:55.02 | PaulFertser | (plan B announcement) Oh man, Sean is really great at writing. |
| 11:55.08 | PaulFertser | No sarcasm |
| 11:55.19 | PaulFertser | Perfect style and wording. |
| 11:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (sean) yep. (BL) man, our BL-converter sucks :-/ |
| 11:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect L1704, and especially C1764 could use a swap for low-ESR types ;-P |
| 12:00.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: as i said earlier, L1704 is some subaru-damn-where's-the-datasheet type |
| 12:01.14 | PaulFertser | was sure planb was abandoned at the end of August. |
| 12:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | xaaronc isn't around here? |
| 12:02.55 | PaulFertser | But hell, Sean seem to know how to convince people. At least all his mails sound so well-founded... /me wonders how the hell OM-the-company could suck so much :( |
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| 12:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: answer to aaron is sent |
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| 12:16.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: thanks; the guys is doing interesting investigation. It's just he's 2 years late :) |
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| 12:21.13 | PaulFertser | http://thewikireader.com/ tries to show some "flash" on its frontpage. Just eww :-/ |
| 12:22.12 | lindi- | hmm, not for me |
| 12:22.53 | mjr | spoke my mind on http://rauhala.org/blog/ , though not a very interesting read, really |
| 12:23.15 | PaulFertser | lindi-: oh, sorry, it was about page with that shit. |
| 12:27.10 | PaulFertser | mjr: n900 will be released with proprietary telephony stack but ofono support is planned too (though it'll take them several months). |
| 12:31.35 | mjr | ack, yeah, I heard about that |
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| 12:41.45 | pbaxter | hello all |
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| 13:07.33 | TeNoVi | Hi! I want to install QT extended 4.4.3 on my Freerunner, but the links seems to be down. Is there anyone here with the rootfs and kernel image? |
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| 13:12.34 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: guys are working on Qtmoko nowadays |
| 13:14.38 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, I know. But I still want the old 4.4.3 |
| 13:18.16 | radekp | TeNoVi: 4.4.3 has so many bugs, why you do you want it? |
| 13:18.44 | radekp | TeNoVi: but you can build it from QtMoko GIT |
| 13:18.47 | TeNoVi | radekp, Becouse it is working better on my phone than anything else I have tried |
| 13:19.03 | radekp | TeNoVi: tried QtMoko? |
| 13:19.16 | TeNoVi | radekp, Yes. it is awefully slow |
| 13:19.27 | radekp | TeNoVi: which version? |
| 13:19.50 | TeNoVi | radekp, Hmm. Do not remember. I tried it a cupple of weeks ago |
| 13:20.10 | TeNoVi | Maybe not even two weeks |
| 13:20.56 | radekp | TeNoVi: hmm strange, what was exactly slow? |
| 13:22.23 | TeNoVi | radekp, It did not wake up fast enough. The caller had to call for quite long for me to answer. Also the GUI failed and I had to reboot |
| 13:22.58 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r89896d53c999 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Register() |
| 13:24.08 | radekp | TeNoVi: hmm oki, btw you can build QtMoko and make a distribution on top of FSO - that should be definetely faster then 4.4.3 |
| 13:24.55 | TeNoVi | radekp, Hmm... I do not know if I am capable of that. I am not too god with such things yet. |
| 13:26.32 | radekp | TeNoVi: oki |
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| 13:27.59 | TeNoVi | radekp, That is one reason for me to ask for the rootfs and kernel files, I guess |
| 13:28.52 | radekp | IIRC 4.4.3 used 2.6.24 kernel and was based on FSO |
| 13:29.10 | radekp | QtMoko now uses 2.6.29 and is based on Debian |
| 13:29.55 | radekp | i dont think that debian/FSO make any difference in resume times |
| 13:30.26 | radekp | and there is no way back to use 2.6.24 |
| 13:31.14 | radekp | maybe i will try to make image based on OpenWrt to see if there is any difference in using different rootfs |
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| 14:07.13 | obey | hi! is it correct that there have been no updates of shr in the last weeks? my opkg is not showing any. |
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| 14:08.31 | tomcatek | only navit is upgrading lately... |
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| 14:12.09 | obey | ok, thats what i am seeing, thanks |
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| 15:23.34 | tomplast | Hi guys, is there anyone who have the time to help me with a problem I'm having with my Neo Freerunner? |
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| 15:24.22 | SpeedEvil | What is it? |
| 15:24.35 | SpeedEvil | Has it become sentient, and started killing giraffes? |
| 15:24.42 | tomplast | :p |
| 15:25.19 | tomplast | Nah, the problem is that I have screwed up something. Every time I want to start up my Neo Freerunner I need to hold down the AUX+POWER button together and boot from the menu. |
| 15:25.32 | tomplast | If I just power it up with the power button it freezes at the openmoko splash. |
| 15:25.54 | tomplast | So I can still use my phone but I would like to know how to correct this little problem- |
| 15:26.01 | tomplast | . |
| 15:27.21 | SpeedEvil | you can reflash it - but I'm not really sure why it might be doing that |
| 15:27.49 | tomplast | But what is different from booting up from the menu and doing a regular boot (just power button) ? |
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| 15:28.10 | tomplast | I did flash my Freerunner with SHR (2.6.28 kernel I think, and a rootfs). |
| 15:28.14 | SpeedEvil | aux+power is booting a different bootloader I think |
| 15:28.49 | tomplast | Okay, hopefully it's read only :P |
| 15:28.57 | tomplast | So I can't screw that up as well :p |
| 15:28.57 | SpeedEvil | It is |
| 15:29.00 | SpeedEvil | youc an't |
| 15:29.00 | tomplast | Good |
| 15:29.52 | tomplast | But I read somewhere on the wiki that it's possible to brick your Freerunner, now how could that be possible if you can't screw up that bootloader? |
| 15:30.37 | SpeedEvil | If you flash the bootsector over 1000 times, that may mean that you are unable to boot from NAND anymore, and will always need to boot from nOR - with buttons held down |
| 15:30.39 | SpeedEvil | that's about it |
| 15:30.39 | tomplast | Cause if it's safe to tinker with the regular bootloader then I was thinking of installing Qi or whatever it was called, I read somewhere that It would give some increase in speed. |
| 15:30.56 | tomplast | Okay, so nothing to worry about then, nice ^^ |
| 15:31.27 | SpeedEvil | you can also brick it with the debug board - but... |
| 15:31.43 | tomplast | Luckily I don't have a debug board |
| 15:31.44 | tomplast | ^^ |
| 15:33.28 | tomplast | Btw, do you happen to any good gps software? I have tried tangoGPS but the downloading of the tile image data is too slow. There must be some alternative good software or some way to download a a whole country as a pack or something (I have looked everything, couldn't find anything). |
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| 15:34.52 | mstevens | is excited about the wikireader! |
| 15:36.20 | SpeedEvil | isn't. |
| 15:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't run linux, is not a general purpose computer |
| 15:37.10 | mstevens | okay, it's a special purpose device, but it has a purpose I want :) |
| 15:38.07 | tomplast | Thank you for your help SpeedEvil :) |
| 15:38.08 | mstevens | I already tried to set myself a private wikipedia mirror up once and got frustrated waiting for it to reindex |
| 15:39.00 | mstevens | a handy readymade decide seems excellent |
| 15:39.26 | mstevens | device |
| 15:40.32 | eolson | Speedevil, are you sure it doesn't run linux? (I didn't see an OS mentioned anywhere, maybe it was in an old list mail) |
| 15:41.04 | SpeedEvil | eolson: raster was going on about it earlier |
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| 15:43.05 | pieterc | ho |
| 15:43.08 | pieterc | s/ho/hi |
| 15:43.13 | eolson | SpeedEvil, ah ok, I see the scrollback, thanks |
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| 15:46.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | eolson: it's some japanese OS afaik |
| 15:50.13 | eolson | DocScutinizer, so, not open source, then, I take it? |
| 15:51.14 | larsc | on their website they write they will publish the source 'later today', but... |
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| 15:53.21 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:56.31 | eolson | predicts the band (openmoko and former employees) will get back together in 5 years or so and make another linux phone......Wellll, maybe not, but that's how the movie should go. |
| 15:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | eolson: that's highly unlikely to happen, neither in 5 years nor any other time |
| 15:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | (opensource) not to the latest news I heard |
| 16:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | probably you can be happy if you get a linux version of the host update app |
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| 16:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | larsc: duh, where? |
| 16:01.09 | larsc | DocScrutinizer: somewhere |
| 16:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | seen this: http://openmoko.com/freerunner.html |
| 16:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
| 16:06.22 | larsc | "Even an extra memory chip was added with an additional operating system." ^^ |
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| 16:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah. Great to learn that now, after we messed around with primary OS for 2 years XD |
| 16:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | also the list of people involved is somewhat... :-S |
| 16:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, nevermind |
| 16:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | another indication those times are probably gone forever |
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| 16:12.02 | eolson | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I figured they won't get back together, but the openmoko holds value -- mostly in the community and maybe brand name/linux image. If only the managers' "treat employees like crap" were replaced with "give competent employees some freedom". Anyway, I won't be happy with a nokia or similar linux phone, so hopefully some openmoko-like phone comes out in the next few years, and the openmoko/linux community doesn't get fragmented. Pipe |
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| 16:26.39 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r870b0db103b8 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (5 files): fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook() done |
| 16:26.45 | panicking | PaulFertser, Do have seen the patches? |
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| 16:28.00 | PaulFertser | panicking: yes, i have. Sorry, i was a bit busy today to comment. Btw, do you now have a way to reproduce the race in bq27k? I tried to reproduce but failed. |
| 16:28.44 | panicking | PaulFertser, I don't know why is so import to reproduce it because the race exists and must be fix |
| 16:28.58 | panicking | I have seen in the past and my system crash |
| 16:29.12 | panicking | Now I have no crash |
| 16:29.22 | panicking | and seems that I read stable battery value |
| 16:29.26 | panicking | from sysfs |
| 16:30.22 | panicking | The suspend/resume of the accelerometer must be push in andy-kernel |
| 16:30.45 | PaulFertser | panicking: sport interest |
| 16:30.55 | badcloud | could someone explain what I should do for my incoming calls (+out in phonelog) to be recognized as contacts and not numbers? |
| 16:31.02 | badcloud | I'm using shr-u |
| 16:31.17 | PaulFertser | panicking: are you sure we should still care about andy-tracking branch? Shouldn't we better concentrate on new stuff? |
| 16:31.33 | panicking | Yes, but a lot of people use the andy-tracking kernel |
| 16:31.43 | panicking | so we can push there too |
| 16:31.58 | panicking | How much is stable the latest kernel? |
| 16:32.07 | PaulFertser | panicking: it seems to be very stable. |
| 16:32.36 | panicking | Yes but the accelerometer problem was a big issue |
| 16:32.55 | panicking | and nobady report it |
| 16:33.11 | panicking | Only on android distrib we find a big slow down |
| 16:33.22 | PaulFertser | panicking: i just would like to understand why were you able to reproduce bq27k issue so easily and i can't. Just curiosity (an opportunity to learn). |
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| 16:33.40 | panicking | I think that is the history: |
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| 16:33.59 | panicking | - we introduce the syncronization |
| 16:34.02 | panicking | of the event change |
| 16:34.08 | panicking | cancel and schedule |
| 16:34.10 | panicking | tasklet |
| 16:34.17 | panicking | so we remove the 5 second delay |
| 16:34.20 | panicking | good thing |
| 16:34.27 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm ok with pushing RFC patch v2 for accelerometer resume path to andy-tracking. |
| 16:34.46 | panicking | so android read the sysfs |
| 16:34.56 | panicking | very often maybe an in unpredfictable way |
| 16:35.00 | panicking | so it is possible |
| 16:35.05 | panicking | to have read on sysfs |
| 16:35.13 | panicking | and worker running |
| 16:35.27 | PaulFertser | I tried to read sysfs very often continiously too. |
| 16:36.29 | panicking | the only value that can raise problem |
| 16:36.36 | panicking | are the string |
| 16:36.44 | panicking | because the other are number |
| 16:37.03 | panicking | so just create somenting that read string value |
| 16:37.12 | PaulFertser | panicking: i was running my test program | grev -v Timer |
| 16:37.43 | panicking | ok |
| 16:37.43 | panicking | what value do you read |
| 16:37.43 | panicking | ? |
| 16:37.43 | panicking | <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 |
| 16:37.44 | panicking | <6>HDQ responds again |
| 16:37.44 | panicking | <3>HDQ error: 1 |
| 16:37.44 | panicking | <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 |
| 16:37.47 | panicking | <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 |
| 16:37.49 | panicking | <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 |
| 16:37.52 | PaulFertser | panicking: no value at all, the output was blank (every string was Timer expired) |
| 16:37.53 | panicking | <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_data |
| 16:37.55 | panicking | <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_data |
| 16:37.57 | panicking | other thing this is not so unfrequent |
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| 16:38.37 | PaulFertser | panicking: as to the bq27000 branch, i'm yet unsure about it, probably we should modify 27x00 driver instead. |
| 16:39.00 | panicking | Yes I know, but I don't know nothing about this hdq |
| 16:39.04 | panicking | stuff |
| 16:39.15 | panicking | what is exacly and why it is connect using a FIQ |
| 16:39.17 | panicking | interrupt |
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| 16:40.36 | PaulFertser | panicking: too strict requirements for timing, Andy decided that only fiq can provide those. I'm not sure how to do it properly anyway. |
| 16:41.27 | PaulFertser | panicking: hdq is one-wire communication protocol |
| 16:41.40 | panicking | ok |
| 16:41.49 | PaulFertser | panicking: also i can't understand why you prefer to modify a function rather than wrapping it. |
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| 16:44.42 | panicking | because there are a few return stantament |
| 16:44.49 | panicking | and not so much |
| 16:44.55 | panicking | but is not a problem |
| 16:44.58 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6c042a2a7223 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: bump version to 0.1.0.0 |
| 16:44.59 | panicking | to wrap the function |
| 16:45.02 | panicking | I can do it |
| 16:45.14 | panicking | so hdq is not i2c |
| 16:45.21 | panicking | but 1-wire protocol |
| 16:45.24 | panicking | no clock |
| 16:45.27 | PaulFertser | panicking: correct |
| 16:45.29 | panicking | but just SDA |
| 16:45.33 | panicking | communication |
| 16:45.38 | panicking | how is handled the error |
| 16:45.39 | panicking | ? |
| 16:45.48 | panicking | Do you have the specification |
| 16:45.49 | panicking | ? |
| 16:45.58 | panicking | and timing requirement |
| 16:46.00 | PaulFertser | panicking: i think i've read it in bq27000 manual. |
| 16:46.05 | panicking | ok |
| 16:46.11 | panicking | wait a minute |
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| 16:54.54 | panicking | Ok |
| 16:55.01 | panicking | It's described in the document |
| 16:55.09 | panicking | to difficult to understand in few minute |
| 16:55.22 | panicking | but I think that we must move the hdq stuff outside |
| 16:55.27 | panicking | the power |
| 16:55.30 | panicking | part |
| 16:56.00 | PaulFertser | panicking: yes, but the driver itself is the question as well. Mainline already has some support for a very similar chip. |
| 16:56.21 | panicking | that driver use i2c |
| 16:56.26 | panicking | to talk with the bq27x000 |
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| 16:57.16 | panicking | so I don't see any problem to do conditional |
| 16:57.19 | panicking | the i2c registration |
| 16:57.26 | panicking | use a pointer for read/write |
| 16:58.05 | panicking | I want to study the hdq part |
| 16:58.07 | panicking | and the fiq |
| 16:58.10 | panicking | part done by andy |
| 16:58.19 | panicking | because it change the fiq registration |
| 16:58.20 | panicking | too |
| 17:00.30 | panicking | Ok, I will take a look to the om-2.6.31 branch and try to run the android freerunner |
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| 17:11.41 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re894b5c33523 10/fsogpsd/ (23 files in 7 dirs): create project skeleton for fsogpsd |
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| 17:44.02 | Jorek | Noen norske her? |
| 17:45.08 | tg | there are 3 users with .no host other than you |
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| 17:52.08 | Jorek | who *.no |
| 17:56.42 | tg | that does'n t work i think |
| 17:57.05 | tg | in irssi I use the ppl.pl script for that, /ppl -p *!*@*.no |
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| 17:57.40 | Jorek | Ok, thanks! |
| 17:58.11 | Jorek | I used the who command, and started to go trough the list manually.. |
| 17:58.22 | tg | Jorek: anyways, here they are: Quadduc fredrin badcloud |
| 17:58.50 | Jorek | tg: Sweet! |
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| 18:24.19 | azaghal | So the project B is out then? |
| 18:24.26 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 18:24.29 | SpeedEvil | Aparantly. |
| 18:24.54 | azaghal | Is it GNU/Linux under the hood? |
| 18:25.34 | spaetz | no |
| 18:25.56 | spaetz | some other os, apparently |
| 18:25.56 | azaghal | Great... It's... Erm... What would you call it? |
| 18:26.09 | azaghal | Ah, right - practically useless... |
| 18:26.22 | SpeedEvil | Mostly harmless. |
| 18:26.26 | azaghal | Now, if it was able to read e-books/PDFs, it'd be ok. |
| 18:26.29 | azaghal | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 18:27.08 | azaghal | To be honest, if someone told me this was the project B, I'd tell him he's nuts... |
| 18:27.29 | azaghal | I expected some kind of tablet without phone, to be honest. Maybe netbook. |
| 18:28.23 | azaghal | Who the hell will buy this thing? |
| 18:28.29 | azaghal | ends his rant now |
| 18:28.39 | SpeedEvil | At $100 - no way at all. |
| 18:28.44 | SpeedEvil | At $50 - hmm. |
| 18:32.00 | ndnihil | all it does is read wikipedia? |
| 18:32.16 | azaghal | Looks that way. |
| 18:32.21 | ndnihil | nobody is going to buy that when their phones can do the same and more |
| 18:32.50 | ndnihil | or any of the other myriad of devices that can run a web browser |
| 18:33.42 | spaetz | it's not for people with high end phones |
| 18:34.19 | azaghal | I think you can get a decent phone for $99. |
| 18:35.07 | azaghal | And $99 is not that small amount of cash, if you ask me :) |
| 18:35.08 | ndnihil | my $50 motorola can read wikipedia |
| 18:35.56 | azaghal | _If_ it were capable of showing PDF or some of the other e-book formats, I'd be very happy about it. |
| 18:35.58 | Blu3 | your $50 motorola is probably subsidized |
| 18:36.41 | ndnihil | blu3: it is, but that has nothing to do with it, it's the simple fact that people don't need to spend that $100 to read wikipedia on a mobile device |
| 18:37.07 | ndnihil | or carry around an additional device |
| 18:37.32 | ndnihil | anyone with a basic phone already has that ability |
| 18:37.39 | Blu3 | i'm not trying to justify it. i'm not going to pay $100 for a mobile wiki reader |
| 18:37.57 | ndnihil | the offline reading part is nice and all |
| 18:38.09 | ndnihil | but it looks like a waste of time and effort to me |
| 18:38.14 | Blu3 | if i can do a lot of other things with it, then $100 is more tenable |
| 18:38.19 | spaetz | ndnihil, wikipedia offline reading? (i'm not defending the plan b device, thoough) |
| 18:38.27 | azaghal | I guess they won't sell many of those... Not to mention they won't last either :) |
| 18:38.43 | ndnihil | spaetz: yeah it does offline apparently http://thewikireader.com/update.html |
| 18:39.30 | azaghal | And the update thing is silly. They should've provided some kind of diff-updates. |
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| 18:39.40 | ndnihil | though, I can totally see alternative content being used |
| 18:39.46 | ndnihil | load it up with porn or something :) |
| 18:40.06 | azaghal | Monochrome ASCII-art porn? With a non-mono font? |
| 18:40.11 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 18:40.14 | ndnihil | old school |
| 18:40.16 | azaghal | :D |
| 18:40.32 | azaghal | There are two possibilities now... |
| 18:40.54 | azaghal | Either someone hacks it to show other types of content, or people start adding their favourite books as Wikipedia articles ;) |
| 18:42.58 | SpeedEvil | umm. |
| 18:43.03 | SpeedEvil | 'tempered glass screen' |
| 18:43.08 | SpeedEvil | 'touchscreen' |
| 18:43.20 | SpeedEvil | is this SAW, or are they misleading people |
| 18:45.36 | mmontour_ | Capacitive touchscreen according to http://www.gizmag.com/wikireader-pocket-wikipedia/13093/ |
| 18:45.59 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:49.00 | azaghal | And who came-up with the idea to ship new SD cards for updates? |
| 18:49.26 | SpeedEvil | ... |
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| 18:52.54 | spaetz | azaghal, why nott? certainly convenient. you can also download stuff if you want |
| 18:53.25 | azaghal | The download thing is ok, but sending out new SD cards? |
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| 18:59.52 | spaetz | for someone who has no computer ? why not? |
| 19:00.23 | ndnihil | it's also a source of regular income |
| 19:00.24 | spaetz | or some offline place, or with dial-up |
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| 19:01.13 | spaetz | not everyone has a fast flatrate |
| 19:01.42 | ndnihil | $30 for two updates, and it probably costs them far less than $15 to purchase and mail the cards |
| 19:02.57 | beer | this wiki reader is the "Plan B"? |
| 19:03.02 | ndnihil | uh huh |
| 19:03.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | beer: yep |
| 19:03.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and I think I can answer a few questions regarding hw of that tiny device ;-) |
| 19:04.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | just go ahead and ask |
| 19:04.16 | beer | hmm, is the source to the wikie reader open source? |
| 19:04.30 | ndnihil | doc: awesome, how easy would it be to load the leenooks and use it as a pdf reader? |
| 19:04.33 | ndnihil | :) |
| 19:04.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not (yet) |
| 19:04.56 | SpeedEvil | I assume it's not powerful enough to run linux/ |
| 19:05.51 | beer | if it was open everyone could put it on the fr and there wa no market for the hw |
| 19:05.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: the processor is way too weak to run *nix or pdfreader |
| 19:05.51 | azaghal | DocScrutinizer-8: Who assumed there's a viable market for it, btw? :) |
| 19:05.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no ikdea |
| 19:05.55 | SpeedEvil | It's not clearly stupid. |
| 19:06.00 | SpeedEvil | But at $100? |
| 19:06.46 | spaetz | much code is on google code (open since months) |
| 19:07.00 | spaetz | SpeedEvil, agreed |
| 19:07.03 | beer | I raly need wikipeida when I am away from my computer so I would not se that I can use ut |
| 19:07.05 | beer | it |
| 19:07.18 | spaetz | i might be tempted if it were 40 |
| 19:07.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yup, though I didn't find it today, and heard the actual "os" might have changed (as usual ;-P) |
| 19:07.43 | spaetz | ahh |
| 19:08.41 | SpeedEvil | I _really_ don't understand why it's not a generic book reader. |
| 19:09.08 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: marketing thing |
| 19:09.08 | SpeedEvil | A robust book reader for $100 might indeed have a market |
| 19:09.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, no idea |
| 19:09.18 | mmontour | I assume that we don't get pictures along with the wikipedia articles, but what about equations (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessel_function)? |
| 19:09.23 | azaghal | Marketing thing? |
| 19:09.29 | azaghal | _What_ marketing thing? |
| 19:09.35 | spaetz | simplicity seems to be the message |
| 19:09.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | iirc we get pictures and equations |
| 19:09.53 | azaghal | And most of the e-books are not simple? |
| 19:10.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though 16greyscales and rather low res |
| 19:11.13 | mmontour | I would probably buy one if I could also read e-books on it (text only, e.g. Palm Doc format). I currently subscribe to a couple of science fiction magazines and read them on an old Palm III |
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| 19:11.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mmontour: mail sean about it |
| 19:12.58 | SpeedEvil | palm doc or basic html |
| 19:13.13 | SpeedEvil | http://www.baen.com/ does html books |
| 19:13.20 | SpeedEvil | As well as ~100 free SF title |
| 19:13.20 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 19:13.44 | azaghal | SpeedEvil: Agent of Vega and The Philosophical Strangler are great :) |
| 19:14.39 | SpeedEvil | I like 163[2-9] |
| 19:15.42 | azaghal | 163? |
| 19:15.58 | SpeedEvil | The book - 1632 and on |
| 19:16.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, if that makes a diff to anybody: I once pushed a mini-usb connector footprint to the schem and layout of wikireader. No idea if it survived and made it to MP |
| 19:16.25 | azaghal | Ah |
| 19:16.29 | SpeedEvil | A small town in north america is dropped into the middle of 1632 in germany. |
| 19:16.51 | SpeedEvil | The American Way proceeds from there. |
| 19:17.27 | SpeedEvil | But it's good. |
| 19:18.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the design seen radical changes since back when. has been clamshell with kbd, no ts at all |
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| 19:20.09 | spaetz | doc|home, sounds like the ben note |
| 19:20.14 | SpeedEvil | capacitive TS is probably a good idea. |
| 19:20.20 | spaetz | or whatever it is called |
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| 19:21.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: especially the c-ts is cheaper than a kbd it seems ;-) |
| 19:22.36 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 19:22.59 | SpeedEvil | counting the manufacturability - much |
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| 19:37.32 | poli | hello all... I was just reading /topic and... well... which kernel should I use for that SHR-20090808? No uImage there has the same date as the root image. Should I use the one immediately older than that (02-Aug-2009)? Or something else? |
| 19:40.31 | PaulFertser | poli: the latest |
| 19:41.41 | poli | PaulFertser: aren't the modules in the image? Won't that make a versioning conflict? |
| 19:42.35 | FiXion | PaulFertser: you run Debian on your SD card, right? and use uBoot on nand-boot partition ? |
| 19:42.52 | FiXion | I want to run Debian on my SD card and have a "rescue" os on nand |
| 19:43.08 | FiXion | my nor boot menu only has boot and boot from microsd options |
| 19:43.15 | PaulFertser | poli: they shouldn't, they're surprisingly compatible |
| 19:43.21 | FiXion | and if I have qi on nand boot - it boots sd if it's available :( |
| 19:43.26 | PaulFertser | FiXion: i don't use uboot at all |
| 19:43.36 | PaulFertser | FiXion: only on NOR to flash Qi |
| 19:43.43 | poli | PaulFertser: Thanks! |
| 19:43.56 | FiXion | PaulFertser: how do you boot nand - instead of microsd if need be? |
| 19:45.39 | PaulFertser | FiXion: i press AUX button |
| 19:45.49 | PaulFertser | FiXion: exactly when needed |
| 19:46.00 | PaulFertser | FiXion: several times in fast succession until i feel vibe |
| 19:46.07 | PaulFertser | Positive vibrations, you know |
| 19:46.12 | poli | lol |
| 19:46.23 | FiXion | is that a qi feature? |
| 19:46.44 | FiXion | I read something about powering on - and pressing AUX when light flashes red |
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| 19:46.55 | FiXion | but I didn't quite get what it resulted in |
| 19:47.27 | PaulFertser | FiXion: reread the qi wikipage, i think you'll get it the second time ;) |
| 19:47.36 | PaulFertser | FiXion: yes, booting from nand is qi feature. |
| 19:48.31 | FiXion | it says that enables to choose a kernel |
| 19:48.46 | FiXion | they don't mean different kernels on sd? |
| 19:49.12 | PaulFertser | FiXion: be patient and read the whole page ;) |
| 19:49.32 | FiXion | the only other thing I can find is they state they don't have a boot menu |
| 19:49.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | isn't qi great ;-) |
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| 19:50.24 | FiXion | I'll try to do it and see what it does - once I'm done untar'ing to nand :) |
| 19:50.25 | PaulFertser | FiXion: "they" don't state they have it either |
| 19:51.52 | FiXion | s/they do/that they do/ :) |
| 19:52.53 | FiXion | qi isn't exactly verbose |
| 19:53.00 | FiXion | or it just didn't "catch" my aux pressing |
| 19:53.22 | PaulFertser | FiXion: not many possibilities to be verbose. It's ok if you hook up a serial console ;) |
| 19:53.48 | PaulFertser | FiXion: it should be press, i.e. change of the state. So try pressing in a very fast succession until you feel the vibe. |
| 19:55.48 | FiXion | it worked - it skipped the sd boot and thus booted nand :) |
| 19:55.49 | FiXion | yay |
| 19:56.13 | FiXion | now on to rolling debian :) |
| 19:56.29 | FiXion | PaulFertser: and thanks |
| 19:56.38 | ezekiel | read "trolling debian" |
| 19:56.49 | ezekiel | heh |
| 19:56.58 | FiXion | naah |
| 19:57.20 | FiXion | I'm looking forward to using debian. running it for the latest ~5 years now on desktop. |
| 19:57.37 | FiXion | actually much nicer than what I used the 7 years before that |
| 19:57.56 | FiXion | which was mostly slackware and redhat |
| 19:57.57 | PaulFertser | FiXion: welcome. It wasn't that hard after all, was it. I'm tired of all that whinning on the ML. |
| 19:58.09 | ezekiel | yeah, debian is definitely grand - but that just makes the mis-reading more funny. |
| 19:58.38 | FiXion | isn't on any Debian ML :) |
| 19:58.55 | FiXion | I'm running sid+exp. on my desktop though :) |
| 19:59.01 | FiXion | couldn't get by on lenny :) |
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| 19:59.08 | FiXion | long live preferences :) |
| 19:59.23 | FiXion | but I guess freerunner will be similar :) |
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| 20:06.03 | mstevens | wonders when the wikireader site will go live |
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| 20:10.36 | max_posedon | It this channel about wikireader too now?) |
| 20:11.29 | mstevens | I dunno, I assumed it was since it's an openmoko product |
| 20:12.55 | spaetz | he has a point :-) |
| 20:13.21 | mstevens | ooh the site's live |
| 20:13.40 | mstevens | And they only ship to north america. hate. |
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| 20:14.11 | FiXion | PaulFertser: you using fbdev or glamo ? |
| 20:14.16 | max_posedon | I want buy |
| 20:14.17 | max_posedon | mstevens, they? who? |
| 20:15.17 | mstevens | max_posedon: thewikireader.com informs me shipping is only to USA and canada. |
| 20:16.52 | spaetz | i'm sure there will be resellrs |
| 20:17.27 | mstevens | spaetz: probably, but how am I meant to get instant gratification? |
| 20:17.42 | PaulFertser | FiXion: xorg |
| 20:18.51 | PaulFertser | FiXion: xorg glamo driver |
| 20:19.04 | max_posedon | in this case Ill hope for amazon |
| 20:21.48 | mstevens | emails support enquiring about ways to buy |
| 20:22.41 | max_posedon | then tell me their answer too |
| 20:24.37 | roh | wtf.. subscription Ãplan 29$? |
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| 20:25.45 | max_posedon | get updated sdcard by mail |
| 20:25.52 | mstevens | roh:sounds convenient |
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| 20:29.04 | roh | max_posedon seems somebody remembered our calculations. |
| 20:29.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | roh: duh, those were long ago, no? |
| 20:30.31 | FiXion | PaulFertser: and what kernel? I understand there's a lot of wifi etc. problems that I'd like to avoid :) |
| 20:34.36 | PaulFertser | FiXion: the latest andy-tracking |
| 20:35.57 | Blu3 | the latest andy-tracking wifi is working very well (but i haven't enabled gsm yet) |
| 20:36.12 | Blu3 | thinks voodoo makes gsm+* work |
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| 20:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, if anybody might be interested: #openmoko-wikireader |
| 20:43.11 | FiXion | you using defconfig ? |
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| 20:46.13 | PaulFertser | FiXion: yes |
| 20:46.16 | PaulFertser | FiXion: packaging |
| 20:47.20 | FiXion | PaulFertser: packaging ? |
| 20:48.29 | PaulFertser | FiXion: yes, packaging_defconfig |
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| 20:49.43 | FiXion | ohh |
| 20:49.44 | FiXion | :) |
| 20:49.47 | FiXion | my git clone isn't done yet |
| 20:50.24 | FiXion | feels like being back in the old 2.0/2.2 (well and 2.4) days :) |
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| 20:50.34 | FiXion | been a long time since I've needed to build my own kernel |
| 20:50.47 | Blu3 | i roll my own kernel all the time |
| 20:51.06 | Blu3 | distro kernels are months or a year behind the current kernel |
| 20:51.13 | FiXion | I don't need to - and really need to prioritize my time :) |
| 20:51.54 | FiXion | 2 kids (5 months and 3 years) and a house that is in really crappy shape, means playing is low priority :) |
| 20:52.26 | PaulFertser | FiXion: compiling kernels is sometimes a necessety |
| 20:52.38 | PaulFertser | FiXion: imagine you want to use a modern atheros card on Debian e.g. |
| 20:52.41 | FiXion | PaulFertser: haven't been on sid yet :) |
| 20:52.59 | FiXion | bought a box with built in intel 3945 and intel i915 :) |
| 20:53.09 | PaulFertser | FiXion: or your laptop speakers do not switch off when you plug in your HP. |
| 20:53.17 | FiXion | :) |
| 20:53.45 | FiXion | I made the easy choice of just buying hardware with open source drivers from the getgo :) |
| 20:54.02 | FiXion | and popular ones.. less fun, less bugs :) |
| 20:54.18 | FiXion | a recent sid upgrade gave me 1920x1080 on vga output.. nice :) |
| 20:54.35 | PaulFertser | FiXion: well, alsa changed a lot since Debian last packaged their kernel :) same for ath5k and ath9k drivers. That's just the first things that come to my mind, there might be other huge differences. |
| 20:54.56 | FiXion | running 2.6.30 with KMS |
| 20:55.02 | FiXion | seems fairly recent |
| 20:55.06 | FiXion | default in sid |
| 20:55.20 | FiXion | and no extra work for me :) |
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| 20:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | buzzword ALSA on all channels. What |
| 20:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | 's up? |
| 20:58.47 | FiXion | PaulFertser: why packaging and not moredrivers? |
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| 21:00.12 | PaulFertser | FiXion: well, the only difference for me was that i can easily try usb gadget drivers other than g_ether. |
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| 21:01.51 | FiXion | ok. |
| 21:02.24 | FiXion | btw. example on openmoko kernel page says to use git-checkout -track.. to switch to andy tracking.. which isn't in git package anymore it seems. |
| 21:02.33 | mokel | mickeyl: are you online? |
| 21:02.34 | FiXion | but afaik it's just git checkout -track... right ? |
| 21:03.05 | FiXion | it didn't complain when I did it - didn't download any files either though |
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| 21:03.12 | PaulFertser | FiXion: right |
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| 21:07.58 | Blu3 | fixion, most of the wiki pages are outdated. try to parse them and interpret into current syntax |
| 21:08.50 | PaulFertser | Blu3: i think that particular command is from git.openmoko.org web-interface. |
| 21:09.52 | FiXion | Blu3: I haven't "switched to git yet" so I was unsure of the syntax.. and git-checkout could have been short for git checkout + git pull f.ex. |
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| 21:11.32 | FiXion | how do I see if the phone is charging off usb - when the power led isn't lighting blue |
| 21:11.38 | PaulFertser | FiXion: nah, that was just an old syntax, git started to have too many "useless" symlinks and scripts in /usr/bin so they decided to remove the dash and make it more consistent. |
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| 21:11.54 | PaulFertser | FiXion: cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent |
| 21:12.01 | FiXion | I remember reading something to that regard on lwn.net once :) |
| 21:12.25 | FiXion | PaulFertser: beautiful - thanks |
| 21:12.50 | FiXion | needs to get used to /sys :) |
| 21:13.16 | FiXion | I still remember the fun of installing debian 2.0 on IBM servers - with ips raid controllers :) |
| 21:14.01 | FiXion | I got the pre 1.0 driver patch from IBM and had to install manually with a very sparse cd :) |
| 21:14.32 | FiXion | 2.2 with ips support was soo nice :) |
| 21:14.42 | PaulFertser | FiXion: i still remember the fun of installing a GNU/Linux system for the first time. Never used *nix before. And it was 386 machine with just 4M of RAM. Even Slackware considered that hardware deprecated by that time. |
| 21:14.52 | FiXion | haha :) |
| 21:15.00 | FiXion | my first was slackware 2.0 on 486 |
| 21:15.33 | FiXion | I was a DOS kid before that - and windows 95 was newish.. and I hated it. |
| 21:15.36 | SpeedEvil | 386 here |
| 21:15.38 | FiXion | assembler programming suddenly got crappy |
| 21:15.43 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure what Mhz |
| 21:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | FiXion: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs |
| 21:15.50 | FiXion | all kinds of restrictions - no writing to video memory directly etc. :) |
| 21:16.49 | PaulFertser | FiXion: hehe, i did some "ISR" for DOS too. Never cleaned up anything -- i used VC (lightweight NC clone) that had ISR removal utility integrated. |
| 21:20.01 | FiXion | is going to bed. Kids will wake me up in 6,5 hours if I'm lucky :) |
| 21:20.07 | FiXion | amd O |
| 21:20.14 | FiXion | and I'm not old enough to not need 8 hours :) |
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| 22:16.44 | PaulFertser | wonders when finally openmoko-kernel ML will be fixed :( |
| 22:17.28 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 22:18.36 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: it doesn't accept mails from non-subscribers so i can't add it to Cc: for upstream patches. |
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| 23:45.22 | raster | DocScrutinizer: interesting page on freerunner..... quite an inaccurate list of people. |