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| 00:53.29 | SpeedEvil | 32G in your FR! http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27001 |
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| 02:04.36 | astrocub | i want this: http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/06/16/iconnect-ipodiphone-dock-media-keyboard-ipod-iphone-sync-charge-illuminated-keyboard/ |
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| 02:05.13 | astrocub | except i want the dock to be on the top-middle of the keyboard, and i want it to be for the freerunner :) |
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| 02:05.37 | astrocub | i also want it to be smaller |
| 02:05.54 | astrocub | about the size of the netbook keyboards |
| 02:15.55 | astrocub | that might work: http://www.amazon.com/Hewlett-Packard-Foldable-Keyboard-HP/dp/B000CD0U9G/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255227315&sr=1-33 |
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| 02:16.54 | astrocub | a little cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Compaq-PA840U-Stowaway-Portable-Keyboard/dp/B00005AMDE/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1 |
| 02:17.46 | astrocub | even cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Palm-3169WW-Universal-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B0003V577C/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_3 |
| 02:18.07 | astrocub | wonder if the phone dock is included on the last one |
| 02:19.15 | astrocub | freerunner doesn't have infrared though |
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| 03:00.46 | astrocub | how many bluetooth devices can a user use at the same time with the freerunner? |
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| 05:14.10 | Blu3 | is there an fsck.jffs2 anywhere in the openmoko repo? |
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| 05:41.19 | ndnihil | why would there be? |
| 05:46.39 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r691330cdca44 10/libfsotransport/ (configure.ac fsotransport/basetransport.vala): |
| 05:46.39 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: wrap logger calls in assert, so that the compiler has a chance to remove them for release builds |
| 05:46.39 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: needs libfsobasics 0.8.3.1 |
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| 05:51.15 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8357b6f2a87a 10/libfsoframework/ (configure.ac fsoframework/subsystem.vala): |
| 05:51.15 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: wrap logger calls in assert, so that the compiler has a chance to remove them for release builds |
| 05:51.16 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: needs libfsobasics-0.8.3.1 |
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| 06:24.58 | KenYoung | Anyone heard any news about "Project B"? Has the official secrecy been lifted? |
| 06:43.35 | Blu3 | ndnihil, root fs is jfs? |
| 06:44.45 | Blu3 | freerunner isn't known for being absolutely 100% reliable and never crashing |
| 06:45.23 | Blu3 | so it stands to reason that if shr is distributing a jffs2 root fs, then fsck.jfs should be in the repo |
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| 07:04.24 | PaulFertser | (identi.ca) do you guys want to know about a micro-blogging service that seems to me much better comparing to any alternatives, including identi.ca? |
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| 08:04.33 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r93192547e123 10/lib/phonesim.cpp: fix couple of phonebook command responses (\r\n again) |
| 08:08.57 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcabc08fd78f4 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommands.vala atmediators.vala mediator.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: more work on phonebook reading |
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| 09:26.39 | beniwtv | hey all... chatting from the neo :) What's the best browser for SHR now? |
| 09:27.30 | [Rui] | beniwtv: the one I like the most is woosh |
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| 09:28.07 | clare | Psi: hi you are not the only one not getting upper case in illume keyboard on gta01 - have you got it fixed? |
| 09:28.14 | beniwtv | [Rui]: is it in the feeds? |
| 09:28.28 | pabs3 | [Rui]: fonts were too big for me in woosh, how did you deal with that? |
| 09:29.01 | [Rui] | beniwtv: I think so, but I use a package I made so it has a flag to load an url on command line (used by elmdentica to launch urls in 'dents) |
| 09:29.14 | [Rui] | pabs3: too big? to me they're sometimes too small :) |
| 09:29.38 | pabs3 | humm |
| 09:29.39 | beniwtv | [Rui]: ok, thanks |
| 09:29.54 | [Rui] | beniwtv: you can get my package at http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica |
| 09:30.03 | [Rui] | my woosh package |
| 09:31.00 | Psi | clare: not working for me atm, but there's probably been another unstable build since the one im using |
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| 09:32.00 | Psi | did an opkg upgrade last week tho |
| 09:32.06 | Jorek | Is openmoko and Neo 1973 still alive? |
| 09:32.24 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 09:32.49 | beniwtv | yes :) |
| 09:34.21 | beniwtv | woha! first time that I notice the nice baterry indicator when you click on the bat applet :s |
| 09:35.45 | Jorek | Ok =) Just bought one from a freind you see,but I read something about openmoko was out of buissniss |
| 09:36.48 | SpeedEvil | The company has stopped development on new phones |
| 09:37.10 | Jorek | So now its up to the community? |
| 09:37.10 | SpeedEvil | and has stopped development - however - development continues on software by the community. |
| 09:37.14 | [Rui] | Jorek: the company doesn't do phones anymore, but the project lives on (and has improved a lot faster since) in the hands of the community |
| 09:37.20 | SpeedEvil | and they are still selling the existing version |
| 09:37.27 | Psi | has openmoko said what they are working on atm yet? |
| 09:37.34 | [Rui] | Jorek: new models may be built by other entities, such as for instance the University of São Paulo |
| 09:37.39 | clare | Psi: I got Hackable yesterday and SHR today, but SHR dates back to September 6, |
| 09:37.46 | Jorek | Okey, I see |
| 09:37.50 | Jorek | Thanks! |
| 09:38.27 | Jorek | I'm looking forward to get my hads on the 1973, have been wanting one ever since the project was anncounced! =) |
| 09:38.38 | SpeedEvil | however - to build a new model is going to take a large slice of $100k |
| 09:39.32 | Psi | clare: not sure which one im using atm |
| 09:39.44 | Psi | which build i mean |
| 09:39.52 | SpeedEvil | So it's tricky. |
| 09:43.08 | clare | Psi: I have an ancient copy of the ojne i keep on the flash of gta01; I am going to try it on the SD card. |
| 09:44.13 | clare | Psi: it is dated Nov 20 2008 and there seems to have been almost no improvement since. |
| 09:45.25 | Heinervdm | [Rui]: does your woosh version has my zoom-patch too? |
| 09:45.30 | Psi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.46 | [Rui] | Heinervdm: oh, so it's you who did it? yes it has :) |
| 09:46.00 | Heinervdm | [Rui]: i did a really ugly hack |
| 09:46.23 | Heinervdm | because of that the bookmark font is too small ;) |
| 09:47.05 | [Rui] | Heinervdm: a bit, but I could browse pages :) |
| 09:47.05 | Heinervdm | but haven't found any other method to get the page smaller |
| 09:47.19 | [Rui] | with all other it was either even slower or very hard |
| 09:47.34 | [Rui] | anyone knows if webkit-efl is already usable? |
| 09:47.54 | Heinervdm | webkit-efl is usable, but eve isn't |
| 09:52.27 | clare | Psi: sorry s/ojne/one/ |
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| 09:53.30 | Psi | ? there's been lots of improvments since nov 20 2008 |
| 09:53.45 | Psi | its actually usable for one |
| 10:04.11 | clare | Psi: Is it? the ones I tried this weekend - on GTA02 the QTmokoV14 is promising, The Qalee is not nearly ready but beautiful. |
| 10:04.38 | Psi | ? |
| 10:04.44 | Psi | im talking about SHR on GTA01 |
| 10:04.52 | clare | Psi: but for GTA01 very disappointing. I am so tired of trying things which other people are happy with but I keep finding problems/ |
| 10:06.16 | Psi | im using my gta01 as my everyday phone |
| 10:06.20 | clare | Psi: the SHR I will try again once I think the keyboard might work. Beter stil find out how to put in a simpler keyboard; |
| 10:06.42 | Psi | yeah, the no capital letter thing is annoying |
| 10:07.34 | PaulFertser | Psi: btw, do you know that disabling sound amp before suspend will give you 2x suspend time? |
| 10:08.05 | Psi | nice, didnt know that |
| 10:08.50 | PaulFertser | knows he should finally understand and fix this bug in kernel, probably will try to do next week. |
| 10:09.06 | clare | I found it kept suspending itself or something; you interest me if it will be usable I will try to set up so that I can switch fairly easily from one ot another. |
| 10:09.25 | Psi | PaulFertser: that would be great if you could |
| 10:09.49 | Psi | clare: ya just have to go into the settings menu and turn off auto suspend |
| 10:10.00 | PaulFertser | Psi: funny thing is that the suspend/resume hooks are in place just they don't get called or don't have any effect for whatever reason. |
| 10:10.10 | Psi | also, if you reboot, you need to take the battery out to get gsm to reset |
| 10:11.32 | Psi | clare: and just so you know, i was having problems with mp3s as the ringtone on whatever image im using. Symptom is it will get stuck in a loop playing the call/txt sound forever |
| 10:11.41 | Psi | to fix just convert them to wav |
| 10:11.46 | Psi | probably a gstreamer issue |
| 10:12.38 | clare | Right, AS there is help to be had I will get keen again. thanks for the tips. |
| 10:12.44 | PaulFertser | Psi: (reset gsm) is it the same with the latest unstable? mickey|bbl did try to fix it a month ago but i'm not sure if it actually worked. I think i've tried to test it and that it didn't work but i'm not sure. |
| 10:13.11 | Psi | has a look which kernel he's running |
| 10:13.21 | PaulFertser | Psi: it's not about the kernel, it's about framework. |
| 10:13.31 | Psi | ah, ok |
| 10:13.50 | PaulFertser | Psi: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e42fdcad51a71bc996e87d70e09232d368582f1 |
| 10:14.10 | clare | PaulFertser: you have said in the past that the GTA01 will charge a nokia battery, possibly have to put in a resistor on middle pin - is that so? |
| 10:14.33 | PaulFertser | clare: in fact gta01 will charge a nokia battery even without a resistor but it's tricky. |
| 10:14.53 | Psi | interesting |
| 10:14.54 | clare | TRicked me.. |
| 10:15.24 | PaulFertser | clare: i think the best way to make gta01 compatible with nokia batteries is to change one resistor inside the gta01 from 10k to ~70k (to match the resistance of nokia's thermoresistor). |
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| 10:16.48 | PaulFertser | clare: or you can somehow make gta01 believe that the pin connected is ~10k to ground (by connecting anything aroung 10k from id pin to the GND. |
| 10:17.57 | PaulFertser | clare: without hardware tricks it's possible to at least get 200mA but i'm afraid they're shared between running the system and charging, so you have to turn off backlight at least to have some charging current. The reason is yet unknown. |
| 10:18.40 | PaulFertser | clare: and the best method to charge nokia's batteries without hardware tweaks is to fully boot gta01 with nokia battery, then "poweroff" it without unplugging from PC. It will charge with current up to 500mA. |
| 10:19.34 | PaulFertser | clare: the last two oddities is what i observed myself but i can't really explain them without carefully rereading pcf50606 datasheet again. |
| 10:20.16 | clare | PaulFertser: That last sound good for a start, Poweroff can i do it from the terminal (shutdown comamnd?) |
| 10:20.21 | PaulFertser | clare: sure |
| 10:21.27 | clare | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.47 | PaulFertser | clare: hth |
| 10:22.23 | PaulFertser | Probably there's some pcf50606 that needs to be tweaked and after that we'll have 200mA charging current without any tricks but it's yet to be found. |
| 10:23.40 | PaulFertser | s/pcf50606/pcf50606 register/ |
| 10:24.42 | pabs3 | is |
| 10:24.47 | pabs3 | woops |
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| 10:30.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | storing XML in a RDBMS anybody? |
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| 10:41.52 | PBeck | hi |
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| 10:56.23 | clare | Psi: I installed an SHR a month older and its keyboard is the same - no caps. Makes one wonder who actually uses these thngs. |
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| 10:59.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | clare: I don't get it what you say about "no caps" |
| 11:00.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | clare: did you try terminal kbd "flavor"? (select from right upper corner popup list of kbds) |
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| 11:01.17 | PaulFertser | clare: or just make a swing on the keyboard directed up, it'll give you terminal keyboard that has shift key. |
| 11:01.18 | clare | DocScrutiniser: I mean if it try to use the keyn=board in the phone itself to type in a terminal the shift key and the CAPS key do not put upper case in the file altho they look uppercase on the keys the,mselves |
| 11:01.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | clare: are you aware how to switch to capitals on "tandard flavor"? |
| 11:01.45 | clare | Obviously not. |
| 11:02.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, that's really strange, capslock and shift are in terminal kbd and they should "just work" |
| 11:02.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: do you probably have any tips for better reception of 900 on a 850 device? |
| 11:03.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ouch |
| 11:03.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I think OM EE miserably failed on that. There isn't any decent way |
| 11:04.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | 850 and 900 are absolutely identical, except for one sawtooth-filter |
| 11:05.02 | raster | Psi: capitals work as such in illume. i'v tested it and it works. possibly something about the gta01 build, keymaps set up for x etc. |
| 11:05.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's the reason why you can even use a 850 device on a 900 band (and vice versa), though with significantly reduced receiver sensitivity |
| 11:07.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: only way: scan via modem for all available providers, and then check all their bands |
| 11:07.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: heh :) only 3 major providers around here anyway. |
| 11:09.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: if you find a 850 carrier, but no 900 then *probably* you have a 850 device. analog for 900. If you find both or none of 850/900 then you're somewhat in trouble |
| 11:09.45 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: there's no 850 carriers around here for sure. |
| 11:10.24 | raster | DocScrutinizer-8: yo! |
| 11:10.27 | raster | PaulFertser: boo! |
| 11:10.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: and it's not hard to tell if the device is 850 or 900 by looking at the label in the battery compartment. |
| 11:10.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | raster: hey |
| 11:11.05 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: lol. *I* know |
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| 11:11.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: anyway, why do you want to tell apart different devices from sw at all? I don't exactly see the usecase |
| 11:12.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: nope, i must have said something wrong. It's just that there're about 25 russians with 850 devices :-/ |
| 11:13.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: you *could* tell from IMEI. You "only" need the database to setup a table |
| 11:13.59 | PaulFertser | I don't want to tell the devices apart, it'd just be nice to somehow improve their usability at least a little bit. |
| 11:14.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: no way |
| 11:14.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | except replace the filter component |
| 11:15.19 | PaulFertser | Replacing filter doesn't sound too scare, there're many guys with hot air soldering stations around here. |
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| 11:16.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: so you're asking for a rework SOP? |
| 11:18.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: not really, just a hint how much work it can involve and the availability of parts. Last time i asked you told me it won't work anyway because the calypso would need to be recalibrated. |
| 11:19.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yes, basically that's true. but calibration is more of a "legal issue" than a mere technical one |
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| 12:24.54 | Jorek | Is the Neo 1973 stable enough to use as a primary phone? |
| 12:25.13 | [Rui] | 1973? what're you doing, collecting models? :) |
| 12:25.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:25.51 | SpeedEvil | I was using it as my primary phone in about 2007.8 or so. |
| 12:25.56 | SpeedEvil | Worked OK. |
| 12:27.13 | Jorek | Ok nice, its just a shame that the battery capacity is so low. I would have to charge it all the time! =) |
| 12:28.14 | PaulFertser | Jorek: the battery capacity is actually "ok" but gta01 uses it suboptimally. |
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| 12:29.18 | Jorek | PaulFertser: So how many hours of stadby can I expect? |
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| 12:30.44 | PaulFertser | Jorek: i guess >80 with deep sleep enabled. |
| 12:30.58 | PaulFertser | Jorek: 50 if not. |
| 12:32.34 | Jorek | PaulFertser: Wow, thats actually not bad! Can't wait to get my hands on it! =) |
| 12:32.43 | PaulFertser | Jorek: with GSM off i've seen <9mA suspend current (probably it was about 7). |
| 12:33.51 | PaulFertser | Jorek: do you have one? |
| 12:36.07 | Jorek | PaulFertser: I bought one from a friend yesterday, but he haven't shipped it yet. I supposed to get it within a week or so. |
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| 12:37.23 | PaulFertser | Jorek: are you sure it's gta01 and not gta02? |
| 12:38.05 | Jorek | PaulFertser: If gta02 being the FreeRunner, yes. |
| 12:38.47 | PaulFertser | Jorek: ok, wish you have fun. gta01 framebuffer is actually faster than gta02's glamo-decelerated screen :) |
| 12:42.40 | Jorek | PaulFertser: Thanks! Thats sounds good! However, I do think I'll have to spend some time both in this channel, and on the web. Its been a while since I was a slackwarefan/user. Nowdays I use Ubuntu, all the code is gone! |
| 12:43.25 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: Hey :-) |
| 12:43.31 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: I thought it was better with xorg & all |
| 12:43.33 | Ainulindale | (glamo) |
| 12:43.36 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: yo :) |
| 12:43.48 | Ainulindale | (and yes I'm lurking) |
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| 12:44.44 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: as raster said many times with proper X drivers glamo will have the same average performance as plain FB :) well, accelerated video decoding is possible but not properly implemented, that'd be the only benefit afair. |
| 12:45.07 | Ainulindale | Sad :-/ |
| 12:45.08 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: also gta01 has a much faster SD throughput. |
| 12:48.31 | raster | PaulFertser: no guarantees on it - but its my assessment based on having read the full glamo accel specs |
| 12:49.08 | Ainulindale | hey raster o/ |
| 12:49.13 | Ainulindale | How's life? Feeling better? |
| 12:49.45 | SpeedEvil | he's not been so well. He was locked up in a mental institution for 3 months after reading the full glamo specs. |
| 12:49.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:49.47 | PaulFertser | raster: your assessment in this area is obviously better than anyone's else :) |
| 12:51.59 | raster | Ainulindale: boo |
| 12:52.08 | raster | SpeedEvil: hahahaha |
| 12:52.22 | Ainulindale | Meh :-) |
| 12:52.36 | raster | :) |
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| 13:09.44 | clare | Psi: I have made a ticket #669 about the keyboard lowercasing letters in GTA01. |
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| 13:24.51 | clare | bye |
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| 13:36.27 | WhiteCat | how to install mkfs.vfat ..since opkg install mkfs.vfat doesn't find any package |
| 13:38.05 | Defiant | WhiteCat: search for dos tools, dosfstools or something like that |
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| 13:38.39 | WhiteCat | http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk ..this also doesnt works |
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| 18:14.59 | jonkristian | How do i fix this error in shr under opkg upgrade? ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: |
| 18:15.07 | jonkristian | * libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9) * |
| 18:17.21 | ajvogel | i had the same problem, but after trying opkg update; opkg upgrade a couple of times it worked |
| 18:17.31 | ajvogel | so i think the error might be fixed |
| 18:17.36 | jonkristian | ok |
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| 18:47.21 | jonkristian | ajvogel: didn't work for me |
| 18:48.01 | ajvogel | thats strange, cant think that i did anything else |
| 18:49.16 | jonkristian | i had it fixed at one point someone in here told me, i just can't remember what it was |
| 18:49.22 | jonkristian | checks the logs |
| 18:51.08 | jonkristian | ajvogel: opkg install http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/libfso-glib0_0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:51.17 | jonkristian | i think that was the answer i got |
| 18:53.39 | jonkristian | yeah, that worked |
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| 19:01.17 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r4837a089406a 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add Label.line_wrap_set() |
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| 19:26.20 | ajvogel | are there issues with WEP? i can connect to a wpa ap with mokonnect, but when i try a wep the fr freezes |
| 19:26.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | see topic |
| 19:26.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ajvogel: same here |
| 19:26.56 | PaulFertser | ajvogel: can you obtain kernel log for the freeze? |
| 19:27.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: ^ |
| 19:27.57 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: can you? ;) |
| 19:28.34 | ajvogel | err, excuse my ignorance, which log would that be? |
| 19:28.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no ramconsole here |
| 19:29.18 | PaulFertser | ajvogel: if you can't recompile kernel while applying ramconsole patch, change BL settings, use watchdog etc don't bother. |
| 19:29.53 | ajvogel | I wont bother than :) |
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| 19:30.52 | ajvogel | *then |
| 19:31.08 | jonkristian | Any idea? http://pastebin.com/d322e7f2c |
| 19:31.12 | jonkristian | a2dp problem |
| 19:31.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I repeat my urgent recomendation to make ramconsole the default kernel config |
| 19:34.44 | max_posedon_ | wep works for me |
| 19:34.57 | max_posedon_ | (always worked) |
| 19:37.47 | jonkristian | max_posedon_: did you get a2dp working? |
| 19:38.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: it's not exactly easy but yes, it'd be nice |
| 19:38.44 | max_posedon_ | yes and no |
| 19:38.44 | max_posedon_ | works, but results not good |
| 19:39.02 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: what's your headset model? |
| 19:39.02 | jonkristian | max_posedon_: bluez4? |
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| 19:39.16 | max_posedon_ | jonkristian, yes |
| 19:39.32 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: I think it's a bulk, let me check |
| 19:39.45 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: i mean why are you so sure it supports a2dp? |
| 19:40.06 | jonkristian | because i know it does |
| 19:40.12 | jonkristian | it said so on the package |
| 19:40.22 | jonkristian | PSHC122 |
| 19:42.06 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/12024509/Bluetooth_Stereo_Headset.html |
| 19:42.09 | jonkristian | that's the one i got |
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| 19:48.07 | gena2x | hi guys, can someone give some consultation on WSOD issue? |
| 19:48.21 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: try to fully reboot the headset and turn FR's bluetooth on/off. |
| 19:48.36 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: you might also want to try to use your headset with your laptop. |
| 19:49.00 | gena2x | I am getting WSOD on shr unstable, and it is easily reproducible :( |
| 19:49.27 | gena2x | In fact, I always got it, but didn't realise reason. |
| 19:50.16 | gena2x | Reason is street temperature, in suspend after 20 minutes on street it WSODs. |
| 19:50.23 | gena2x | Is it know issue? |
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| 19:51.08 | gena2x | I have +7 celsus here |
| 19:51.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 19:51.43 | gena2x | Anyone faced this? |
| 19:52.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wsod is known to be triggered by low temp |
| 19:52.26 | gena2x | But shr in default do not use deep sleep? |
| 19:52.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | see ticket of wsod (sorry dunno ticket number by heart) |
| 19:52.44 | gena2x | I thought that wsod is only in deep sleep? |
| 19:53.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's completely different continent |
| 19:54.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wsod is LCM domain, deepsleep is GSM domain |
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| 19:54.42 | gena2x | So, still no workaround for wsod? |
| 19:54.45 | mokokoko | HI! I have a openmoko freerunner neo. I tried to install debian using install.sh script but it didnt work. Can you tell me have to install debian please? |
| 19:55.21 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: works perfectly with my laptop |
| 19:55.46 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: also, by fully reboot the headset, you mean take out the battery, or turn off/on? |
| 19:55.49 | gena2x | mokokoko: I installed debian on freerunner, wat kind of error you getting? |
| 19:56.38 | mokokoko | did you use script at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner? |
| 19:56.53 | PaulFertser | gena2x: wait for the .31 kernel, it should be ultimately solved in it :) |
| 19:57.23 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: well, if it works with your laptop... Does it run ~same bluez version? |
| 19:57.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | gena2x: workaround for wsod is supposedly to power down LCM completely during suspend, and "reboot" it on resume. It's unclear if this scheme is implemented correctly and doesn't work occasionally, or if there are flaws in the workaround implementation in kernel |
| 19:58.26 | mokokoko | gena2x: can you please help me? |
| 19:58.33 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I am sure on single ting about .31 - it will eat freerunner i and dcache much more efficiently ;) |
| 19:58.39 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: my laptop has bluez 4.54 |
| 19:59.11 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: also probably your headset doesn't remember previous pairing and after you pair it with the laptop you need to repair to use with FR... No idea really. |
| 19:59.19 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: I'll try my laptop again, it's been a while since i last tested |
| 19:59.29 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: alright |
| 19:59.32 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i'm interested in details ;) |
| 19:59.48 | gena2x | mokokoko: yes, I can, but try to describe that is you problem in more details. |
| 20:00.17 | mokokoko | was it script at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner which you used ? |
| 20:00.19 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: also beware, shr version of mplayer uses slow (fpu) vorbis decoder afaik so it won't work. |
| 20:00.25 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I'm not developing for FR, but my home kernel which have same config is growing for sure. |
| 20:01.26 | PaulFertser | gena2x: aha, i thought you were some kind of arm-wizard who knows enough about caching, implications of branch prediction etc etc. |
| 20:03.17 | gena2x | mokokoko: All I know is "What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory" article by arm-hater :) |
| 20:04.03 | gena2x | oh, wrong person PaulFertser: All I know is "What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory" article by arm-hater :) |
| 20:05.51 | Blu3 | ok, i've tried five different brands of SD cards from the $$$reliable to the $cheap. is there any trick to improving the read/write stability to the SD card? i constantly get FS errors shortly after starting writing and i often get read errors. all my SD cards work perfectly in all my other card readers in all my computers |
| 20:05.59 | gena2x | mokokoko: Where is instructions on debian wiki. Which step fails? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 20:07.49 | gena2x | PaulFertser: But I can see: 2796888->my-2.6.25 2882336->my-2.6.27 2981024->my-2.6.28 3511840->my-2.6.31 on my desktop. |
| 20:08.13 | PaulFertser | gena2x: probably you do oldconfig the wrong way. |
| 20:08.29 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I'm doing menuconfig. |
| 20:08.35 | mokokoko | Testing system setup E: Could not find the following binaries: rdate ar |
| 20:09.09 | gena2x | PaulFertser: probably gcc is different, but still... |
| 20:09.40 | gena2x | mokokoko: Look like you need to install this utilited on your host system. |
| 20:09.55 | mokokoko | rdat is installed and works |
| 20:10.03 | mokokoko | i will re-install |
| 20:10.27 | PaulFertser | Blu3: well, that looks like gta02 hardware issue now. :( |
| 20:10.48 | Blu3 | yes. i'd like to make the driver more resilient to errors |
| 20:11.43 | Blu3 | once i have a working cross compile and all the patches/config for the current kernel, i can try making the driver retry several times before giving up and tossing the filesystem |
| 20:12.04 | Blu3 | i've tried adjusting the sd drive strength all the way up to 5 |
| 20:12.09 | gena2x | mokokoko: are you sure what it is installed? what is output of which rdate? |
| 20:12.10 | Blu3 | still breaks |
| 20:12.36 | mokokoko | Usage: rdate [-46acnpsv] [-o port] host -4: use IPv4 only -6: use IPv6 only -a: use adjtime instead of instant change -c: correct leap second count -n: use SNTP instead of RFC868 time protocol -o num: override time port with num -p: just print, don't set -s: just set, don't print -u: use UDP instead of TCP as transport -v: verbose output |
| 20:13.29 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4d0f647762f6 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.{Unlock|SendAuthCode|ChangeAuthCode} |
| 20:13.42 | gena2x | mokokoko: Strange... Can you change first line of install sh script to #!/bin/bash ? |
| 20:13.47 | PaulFertser | Blu3: there's an almost fully rewritten glamo-mci driver in glamo-2.6.31 branch at OM repo, so base your work on that. om-gta02-2.6.31 (which merges everything else needed) already boots (no touchscreen yet) so you can try with that. |
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| 20:14.08 | Blu3 | hmm, i think i might |
| 20:14.59 | gena2x | mokokoko: Or just write simple script with two lines - "#!/bin/sh" and "which rdate" |
| 20:15.00 | PaulFertser | Blu3: btw, for _kernel_ compilation you can use almost any arm toolchain, you can use emdebian or there're packaged toolchains for fedora core and for everything else. Cross-compiling the kernel is in fact damn easy. |
| 20:15.37 | gena2x | mokokoko: And chmod a+x that script, run, post result |
| 20:15.40 | Blu3 | right, i already have an arm toolchain for the most part. my attention really is directed to the patches needed for a gta02 |
| 20:16.40 | PaulFertser | Blu3: just clone OM repo, checkout the branch i mentioned, grab ./build script from andy-tracking, make gta02 directory, do CROSS_COMPILE=/your/toolchain- ./build gta02 a |
| 20:16.55 | Blu3 | oh, i was gonna ask. any sources for a usb otg cable mini-b to mini-b? |
| 20:17.00 | Blu3 | ok |
| 20:17.30 | PaulFertser | Blu3: oh, and obviously you need to cp arch/arm/configs/gta02_defconfig gta02/.config first. |
| 20:17.42 | Blu3 | aye |
| 20:18.00 | Blu3 | has any of the ddwrt stuff made it into the om repo? |
| 20:18.27 | PaulFertser | Blu3: openwrt you mean? |
| 20:18.29 | PaulFertser | Blu3: yes |
| 20:18.32 | Blu3 | yeah |
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| 20:18.36 | Blu3 | ok, great |
| 20:18.39 | PaulFertser | Blu3: almost all of it. |
| 20:18.42 | Blu3 | sweet |
| 20:24.57 | Blu3 | do i need to check out the andy stuff? |
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| 20:27.47 | PaulFertser | Blu3: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to |
| 20:28.05 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: alright, got a2dp working on my laptop, only difference was the pairing, which was done via gnome, and a local .asoundrc |
| 20:28.26 | Blu3 | stable wifi and sdio are my two biggest wants |
| 20:28.34 | jonkristian | But at least it's nothing wrong with the device:) |
| 20:29.45 | PaulFertser | Blu3: if you want to do something about glamo-mci, then use the new branches. If you want to use the device right now, use andy-tracking. |
| 20:30.23 | Blu3 | well, i can't -use- it without a stable sdio for what i'm doing these days :> |
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| 20:38.08 | PaulFertser | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.17 | Blu3 | is there an overview for guys new to the repo branches as to what each branch is about? |
| 20:40.40 | PaulFertser | Blu3: well, most of them are obvious, for the less obvious just ask me. |
| 20:42.21 | Blu3 | well, you said the om-gtak02-2.6.31 merges everything else (but the glamo (rewrite))? and doesn't have touchscreen support, so which branch is best to parse the TS from? |
| 20:43.35 | PaulFertser | Blu3: it merges everything including glamo rewrite. But TS patches are not ready yet, for support of TS on .31 you'll have to wait for Nelson. |
| 20:43.45 | Blu3 | ok |
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| 20:45.13 | radekp | hi, anobody knows correct fb.modes configuration for qvga resolution? |
| 20:45.55 | radekp | if i do just "echo qvga-normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state" then i get 240x320 but with incorrect colors |
| 20:46.51 | radekp | i have found fb.modes that can fix colors, but screen flickers when this mode is set |
| 20:47.36 | PaulFertser | radekp: if i just boot x.org and switch to 240x320 and start fbset, will it give me the current values? |
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| 20:48.07 | PaulFertser | I guess it should, let me check. |
| 20:49.01 | radekp | for SHR the /etc/fb.modes is empty, so you should get incorrect colors too |
| 20:49.56 | PaulFertser | radekp: luckily i'm not using SHR :P but fb.modes are not used by X.org in any way. |
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| 20:51.09 | radekp | PaulFertser: oki :) |
| 20:51.59 | PaulFertser | radekp: so do you want to get qvga with fbset or doesn't x driver work for you? |
| 20:53.14 | radekp | PaulFertser: i want to use mplayer-glamo in framebuffer |
| 20:53.44 | radekp | PaulFertser: in fact i am already using it, but i'd like to get rid of the flickering |
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| 20:56.44 | PaulFertser | radekp: here's what it gives me with xorg http://pastebin.com/m18f034bf |
| 20:57.18 | PaulFertser | radekp: but yes, it flickers like mad and looks wrong. |
| 20:57.24 | PaulFertser | radekp: i think it was better with xglamo |
| 20:58.06 | radekp | PaulFertser: hmm but i will try anyway :) thanks |
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| 21:03.45 | PaulFertser | radekp: Yo, get the good values from here: http://pastebin.com/m1d0f6d61 |
| 21:07.18 | radekp | PaulFertser: hmm the last one looks quite good |
| 21:07.27 | radekp | PaulFertser: let me try more :) |
| 21:07.37 | PaulFertser | more beer |
| 21:10.17 | radekp | it does not flicker, but the colors are still too bright |
| 21:10.33 | jonkristian | hm, appears some settings in shr doesn't get saved |
| 21:11.46 | radekp | in fact the last mode is exactly the same what prints fbset after reboot (except the resolution) |
| 21:12.51 | slaxxer | jonkristian are those from mrmoko image from yesterday? |
| 21:12.53 | jonkristian | wonders why bluez-utils-alsa is installed in shr unstable when it's using bluez4. |
| 21:13.04 | jonkristian | slaxxer: im on the unstable feed |
| 21:15.22 | radekp | it looks like the timing in qvga needs to be 100000 instead of 40816 |
| 21:15.47 | radekp | otherwise the colors are too bright |
| 21:16.41 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: \o/ |
| 21:17.01 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: you got a2dp? |
| 21:17.16 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: bluez-utils-alsa needed to be replaced by libasound-module-bluez |
| 21:17.23 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: But it's quite laggy |
| 21:17.35 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: ah, so you had old deprecated bluez3 stuff |
| 21:18.07 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: is it included in shr-u by default? |
| 21:18.07 | jonkristian | I know i should've read the Check installed packages, but i don't understand why that one was installed instead of libasound-module-bluez |
| 21:18.07 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: you need to make maintainers aware then. |
| 21:18.07 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: will do |
| 21:18.09 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: (laggy) use tremor decoder for mp3 |
| 21:18.18 | jonkristian | it's ogg |
| 21:18.29 | jonkristian | maybe better with intone, i will test now |
| 21:18.38 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: man i tell you |
| 21:18.51 | jonkristian | but the audio quality is quite good, far better than i expected |
| 21:18.53 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: for ogg you need libivorbis otherwise it's too slow |
| 21:19.25 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: s3c2442 lacks hardware fpu so all important stuff should be done with fixed point. |
| 21:19.33 | jonkristian | ok |
| 21:20.09 | lindi- | PaulFertser: libivorbis is tremor |
| 21:20.37 | jonkristian | should i create a ticket for the deprecated package that was included? |
| 21:20.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: when i said tremor i meant "libmad", sorry :) |
| 21:20.51 | jonkristian | this one i recon? libvorbisidec1 |
| 21:21.26 | lindi- | jonkristian: in debian 'mpd' is pretty much the only thing that uses tremor |
| 21:21.43 | lindi- | jonkristian: so use mpd server and one of the mpd clients |
| 21:22.01 | lindi- | 'ario' seemed like a lightweight mpd client |
| 21:22.07 | jonkristian | okay, but for mp3 i can use intone fine or? |
| 21:22.46 | lindi- | jonkristian: i don't know about libmad use |
| 21:22.46 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: yes, for mp3 intone should work great |
| 21:22.58 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: SHR mplayer should use mad |
| 21:23.00 | jonkristian | thanks guys, this is a real breakthrough for me |
| 21:23.05 | PaulFertser | I guess it does by default. |
| 21:25.07 | _ant_ | There is another problem with screen resolution. When the display is in QVGA mode, mouse coordinates readed from /dev/input/event1 are still uncalibrated, so touchscreen always operates in "VGA". Is there a solution to tell touchscreen driver to set a divider for coords? |
| 21:26.12 | PaulFertser | _ant_: are you talking about Xglamo? |
| 21:26.22 | _ant_ | no X at all |
| 21:26.44 | PaulFertser | _ant_: xorg does auto-translation so it's a non-issue with it. |
| 21:28.09 | _ant_ | PaulFertser: it may be useful while running a program which uses framebuffer (e.g. qt extended). |
| 21:28.22 | jonkristian | Created ticket |
| 21:28.41 | PaulFertser | _ant_: i know but screen resolution doesn't match input device resolution anyway. Imagine you connected some wacom. |
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| 21:31.55 | _ant_ | PaulFertser: So, you think that coordinates readed from touchscreen device must be calibrated in user mode (by the program which is running now)? |
| 21:33.41 | jonkristian | What's the best filesystem to use on the sdcard for shr, i have an 8gb sdhc |
| 21:34.40 | PaulFertser | _ant_: i can't tell for sure, sorry |
| 21:34.53 | PaulFertser | jonkristian: i prefer ext3 |
| 21:35.13 | jonkristian | PaulFertser: thanks |
| 21:35.25 | jonkristian | i thought about ext3, any reiser support? |
| 21:35.47 | jonkristian | reiser is faster, but maybe it doesn't matter with flash |
| 21:35.57 | PaulFertser | _ant_: i think it all depends on environment. Your typical laptop touchpanel can (and does) also report absolute coordinates, synaptic driver takes care of that. |
| 21:36.36 | _ant_ | Maybe it would be good to have a sysfs file for touchscreen calibration (divider value) and then execute: |
| 21:36.36 | _ant_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.36 | _ant_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.37 | _ant_ | And we will got 100% compatibility. |
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| 21:38.19 | PaulFertser | _ant_: i think the app that wants to use touchscreen directly (without X) can employ tslib and do whatever it wants. |
| 21:38.49 | _ant_ | It is an option too. Thanks. |
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| 21:44.38 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, do you by any chance know who's in charge of paste.dyndns.org 1234? |
| 21:49.09 | larsc | btw: /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state is obsolte. newer kernels will switch mode automatically |
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| 21:49.53 | PaulFertser | larsc: sure |
| 21:50.14 | larsc | if you want to use the touchscreen without xorg you should always read the framebuffer resolution and rotation and scale, rotate according to that |
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| 22:02.39 | radekp | btw this http://www.pastebin.cz/23924 mode produces WSOD on my FR |
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