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| 01:01.58 | CIA-44 | openmoko: what it does. |
| 01:01.58 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - STATUS: moved ECN0011 from "Edit" to "Discuss" |
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| 03:08.18 | slaxxer | hows opkg upgrade in shr-u? |
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| 03:24.49 | Undrwater | worked today... |
| 03:25.01 | Undrwater | nothing upgraded tho |
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| 04:25.51 | Kraft8181 | would "opkg upgrade" give any error msg's if not the FR is online? |
| 04:28.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | seems no |
| 04:29.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though I didn't do a update prior to test, so maybe there was<ät anything to upgrade at all during that tewt |
| 04:32.09 | Kraft8181 | Ok, so when I do a opkg upgrade, with what apears to be no connection, nothing is installed, it just goes on on some predestined path of upgrading? |
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| 06:17.03 | AlexC | Hi, My FR running SHR has stopped recieving sms messages |
| 06:17.38 | AlexC | It says that it has no room for more messages, but doesn't display any messages when i go into the messages app |
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| 06:29.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5674 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0027.txt wlan.sch): |
| 06:29.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - WLAN_SS is CPU -> WLAN, not WLAN -> CPU |
| 06:29.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - added more endpoints to ECN0027 (on-going) |
| 06:30.42 | PaulFertser | AlexC: probably you have outgoing messages stored on sim |
| 06:30.58 | PaulFertser | AlexC: check with zhone or with mdbus call. |
| 06:32.13 | AlexC | okay |
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| 08:35.52 | feitingen | i've tried all my proxies now, and it seems openmoko.com is down? |
| 08:42.42 | soul9 | openmoko as a company isn't anymore, is it? |
| 08:42.54 | soul9 | .org is down too :( |
| 08:44.30 | frankS2 | its been down for... 6months soul9 |
| 08:44.31 | frankS2 | :P |
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| 08:45.15 | soul9 | openmoko.org? |
| 08:45.18 | soul9 | no it hasn't |
| 08:45.44 | frankS2 | as a company |
| 08:45.46 | frankS2 | development |
| 08:45.51 | soul9 | oh, that, yeah |
| 08:45.56 | soul9 | i know. |
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| 08:57.31 | feitingen | bummer |
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| 10:00.33 | feitingen | is there any openmoko hardware guys left? |
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| 10:19.40 | lindi- | feitingen: on irc? |
| 10:21.37 | feitingen | anywhere, i have some questions about the bluetooth module and the camera interface |
| 10:22.11 | feitingen | but it seems they spent the camera interface on something else :( |
| 10:23.25 | lindi- | feitingen: mailing list works better |
| 10:23.31 | roh | either way its bga and inaccessible afiak |
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| 10:23.51 | roh | the bt is connected via usb |
| 10:24.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | roh: what's up with servers? ;-) |
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| 10:24.42 | roh | Doc will check.. seems chandra sucks around and needs a reboot. need to get to my real computer for details |
| 10:24.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | k |
| 10:25.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | feitingen: the he guy needs a coffee first ;-D |
| 10:25.40 | feitingen | DocScrutinizer-8: know the feeling :) |
| 10:25.49 | roh | eeepc at my bed.... too small keys and no ssh keys |
| 10:26.06 | roh | the latter on purpose. |
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| 10:26.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hehe |
| 10:27.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | roh: I'd spank you hard on dumping all your keys on a eeepc in a pub ;-) |
| 10:27.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | best without mantra |
| 10:28.36 | roh | nah.. its also ubuntu.. but its purpose is fun only.. means playing music, watchin p0rn with my gf.. etc. not work. i cannot even display thunderbird on there properly |
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| 10:32.11 | roh | up to the indian guy having my bf |
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| 10:37.10 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> OPENMOKO:ORG DOWN - WE'RE ON IT. Sorry | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* ||SHR: Just ignore the "ERROR: Cannot satisfy... |
| 10:38.56 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 10:47.56 | Ddorda | hey. is it possible to download maps for tango before using them? |
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| 10:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | Ddorda: even inside tango |
| 10:50.51 | Ddorda | DocScrutinizer: but i don't know how zooomed i'll be, i want to download al the maps of an area.. |
| 10:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | it's called "download maps" in the context menu iirc ;-P |
| 10:51.44 | Ddorda | the context menu iirc? |
| 10:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | so zoom out until all the area is on the screen, open the context menu, select "download maps", and select "+7 zoom levels" or the like |
| 10:52.25 | Ddorda | i see |
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| 10:52.27 | Ddorda | thanks |
| 10:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 10:55.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Ddorda: you should make sure you store tha maps on a uSD, as it's rather much for the NAND |
| 10:57.26 | Ddorda | DocScrutinizer-8: how do i make sure, and how do i know if it downloads? |
| 10:58.52 | Ddorda | or anyone..? |
| 10:59.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Ddorda: As the setting in tango always segfaulted for me, I simply created a symlink from the maps dir in ~ to a dir on /media/card |
| 11:00.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Ddorda: (know) the actual download and scheduled are shown left lower side of tango |
| 11:00.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the blue "D16" and next value iirc |
| 11:01.46 | Ddorda | how do i make a symlink? |
| 11:02.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Ddorda: that's honestly beyond this channel ;-). Try "man ln" |
| 11:04.44 | Ddorda | DocScrutinizer-8: thanks |
| 11:05.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ln -s |
| 11:05.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | or ln --help |
| 11:08.21 | Ddorda | okay, thanks |
| 11:09.40 | Ddorda | how do i know the downloading status? |
| 11:10.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | see above |
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| 11:10.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | there's sth like "D9 - 14321" left bottom corner of tango |
| 11:10.54 | Ddorda | i see |
| 11:10.55 | Ddorda | thanks |
| 11:11.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | this means "9 in progress, 14321 left" |
| 11:11.56 | Ddorda | okay, thanks |
| 11:12.00 | Ddorda | have to go |
| 11:12.01 | Ddorda | cya |
| 11:12.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bye |
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| 11:18.12 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> OPENMOKO.ORG DOWN - WE'RE ON IT. Sorry | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* ||SHR: Just ignore the "ERROR: Cannot satisfy... |
| 11:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=how+do+I+make+a+symlink%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 11:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.43 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbf6f9e39ce59 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:36.43 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.* |
| 11:36.43 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This is the same RTC API as the device's RTC uses. |
| 11:36.44 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8721c90e2660 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (mediators.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: honor clearing alarm |
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| 11:53.16 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* ||SHR: Just ignore the "ERROR: Cannot satisfy...", we are on it. |
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| 12:57.57 | badcloud | anyone know if there's a way do dig up deleted sms in shr (from the sim card)? |
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| 12:59.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | badcloud: I guess deleted is deleted. you could start a uneraser-project operating on SIM's fs which you can access via AT+CSIM |
| 13:00.23 | badcloud | good idea |
| 13:00.29 | badcloud | wish I had the ability |
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| 13:03.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | badcloud: depending on settings of opimd-backends (and probably on version of opimd itself) you *might* find a copy in sqlite database |
| 13:04.15 | badcloud | hmmm I'll look for it |
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| 13:05.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | a strings opimd.db-or-whatever|less might help |
| 13:05.08 | badcloud | '/var/db is empty |
| 13:05.19 | badcloud | so I guess the settings were not in my favor |
| 13:05.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | probably |
| 13:05.52 | badcloud | thanks though |
| 13:06.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | default settings sim is default backend, which means sms are handled directly on sim, afaik |
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| 13:07.14 | badcloud | how do I manipulate those settings? |
| 13:07.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shr-settings |
| 13:08.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | others, domains, messages |
| 13:09.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | still opimd only works with opimd-utils, not with standard messages app |
| 13:09.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | afaik |
| 13:10.44 | badcloud | wow, shr-settings has been developed beautifully |
| 13:10.58 | badcloud | *beautifully developed |
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| 13:17.47 | accu4 | Hi all |
| 13:17.51 | SpeedEvil | hi |
| 13:18.11 | accu4 | I'm having problems using disabled_set and disabled_get in elementary |
| 13:18.19 | accu4 | are these methods removed? |
| 13:18.44 | accu4 | I'm using the python bindings |
| 13:20.31 | accu4 | I see them defined in elementary SVN, but no go on the phone |
| 13:20.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | accu4: there are more python coders in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 13:20.44 | accu4 | ack, thanks |
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| 13:23.04 | xperia | hello to all ! i have a question about the open moko running on the htc magic ! |
| 13:24.05 | xperia | can somebody tell me where to find more information about this ? would like to try how it works on my phone too. |
| 13:24.59 | SpeedEvil | Essentially the only 'supported' platforms are the openmoko ones |
| 13:25.11 | SpeedEvil | you are going to have to find someone that's done it before. |
| 13:25.33 | SpeedEvil | and unless they are still interested, it will involve substantial work updating it |
| 13:25.50 | SpeedEvil | First findout if there is a project to run linux on your phone. If there is not, first do that. |
| 13:26.26 | CVirus | xperia: #htc-linux |
| 13:27.03 | xperia | hmmm i think i have readed on the official page of openmoko that the htcmagic phone works with open moko |
| 13:28.12 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7de26e16c3cb 10/libfsoresource/tests/ (Makefile.am testresource.vala): libfsoresource: comment out tests for now |
| 13:28.26 | xperia | okay think have found what i need ! |
| 13:28.28 | xperia | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream |
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| 13:28.41 | radekp | i think i read about htc dream |
| 13:28.53 | radekp | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream |
| 13:31.07 | radekp | if you make it working, please let us (me) know |
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| 13:33.03 | cz_jc | radekp, hi, fellow czech ;P |
| 13:33.34 | xperia | okay will tak a look closer if i can get it to run ! As i know levethian, a swiss ccc member and technical engineer is the man how is doing this. hoped to see him here inthe chanell. |
| 13:34.10 | radekp | cz_jc: hia |
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| 13:43.13 | cz_jc | xperia, radekp, maybe you can find him on #htc-linux |
| 13:43.50 | cz_jc | some people from there stopped by #gentoo-openmoko before some time and said their kernels basically work, etc but software sucks |
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| 13:53.10 | fenfir | http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream#Status |
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| 13:57.32 | xperia | okay thanks for the help. dont know really if open moko fits my needs as a full linux distro on a pocket pc but think from all availbe distros for pocket pc it is one that for sure is a worth to try. |
| 13:58.03 | xperia | till later bye. |
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| 14:03.39 | xxtjaxx | in SHR Is it reall important to be ROOT? |
| 14:06.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no |
| 14:07.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | actually I thought dos1 is about to implement decent conservative user |
| 14:07.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | means running xsessions as johndoe instead of root |
| 14:07.46 | dos1 | it isn't hard to do |
| 14:08.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dos1: you did 90% already. Go ahead publish it, before I spank you again ;-P |
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| 14:09.25 | dos1 | well, i didn't do anything at all |
| 14:09.34 | dos1 | i only ran X from user from my neo |
| 14:09.42 | dos1 | s/r from/r on/ |
| 14:09.57 | dos1 | that thing everyone can do :P |
| 14:10.19 | dos1 | i have note on my desktop with things to fix |
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| 14:14.57 | xxtjaxx | dos1 apt so just wait till some reasonable usermanagement is there? |
| 14:15.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dos1: I explained to you why it's important we move to default non-root user for the development "branch" sooner rather than later. So "everybody can do it on their own" isn't exactly helpful |
| 14:15.46 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer-8: but i don't know what to do to get development "branch" non-root by default |
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| 14:15.54 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer-8: and i already explained it to you too ;P |
| 14:16.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, so we need someone who knows |
| 14:18.54 | xxtjaxx | means u need a unix expert? |
| 14:19.42 | dos1 | xxtjaxx: openembedded expert |
| 14:20.17 | xxtjaxx | for usermanagement? |
| 14:20.56 | xxtjaxx | basic things seeem to be there accordingto my knowledge of user management o unix |
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| 14:22.14 | dos1 | xxtjaxx: we need to have user management by default in image generated by bitbake |
| 14:23.39 | xxtjaxx | dos1 but code _that_ generates it is there right? |
| 14:23.59 | dos1 | well, i don't know openembedded so well |
| 14:24.06 | dos1 | i only can edit few recipes sometimes :P |
| 14:24.43 | xxtjaxx | dos1: what are you making the images from then? |
| 14:26.34 | xxtjaxx | hmmmmy image doesnt work quite that well cuz images were forgotten -.- |
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| 14:27.35 | xxtjaxx | second images are referring to pictures like in /usr/share/pixmaps |
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| 14:30.58 | xxtjaxx | hmm server robinson went down |
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| 14:32.56 | xxtjaxx | dos1: how do you actually "bake" your images? And from which ingredients? |
| 14:33.03 | dos1 | bitbake, openembedded |
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| 14:33.55 | xxtjaxx | dos1: I was more thinking like git@github/SHR/shr.git |
| 14:34.09 | dos1 | xxtjaxx: cgit.openembedded.org |
| 14:34.13 | dos1 | shr/import branch |
| 14:34.30 | spydon | does anyone know how long the batterytime is for the community android? |
| 14:34.38 | xxtjaxx | and there is all the stuff that comes with it? |
| 14:35.18 | xxtjaxx | spydon: mean FR + Android OS4embed? |
| 14:35.27 | spydon | yeah |
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| 14:37.54 | xxtjaxx | spydon go ahead just try should be quite good I think unless you expect the and to bring badd ass performance |
| 14:38.33 | spydon | well the earlier androif releases haven't even lasted a day so that was why I wondered :P |
| 14:38.45 | spydon | android* |
| 14:39.04 | spydon | so if I will need to charge it everyday I'm keeping the SHR |
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| 14:45.05 | Wonka | http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-gps-error.html FAIL |
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| 14:54.24 | xxtjaxx | Wonka: SHIT HAPPENS |
| 14:55.28 | xxtjaxx | hmm why does distro/experimentan on downloads openmoko have a kernel but no roootfs image? |
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| 15:31.18 | andreas__ | what if my FR lost all of its power and doesnt boot so that I can charge it? |
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| 15:33.55 | ndnihil | hotwire it |
| 15:34.24 | andreas__ | ndnihil: ? |
| 15:35.06 | ndnihil | usb in, battery out, jump the battery contacts to a 3.3V - 3.7V source capable of supplying 500mAh or more |
| 15:35.25 | ndnihil | boot it, then stick the battery back in |
| 15:37.15 | andreas__ | ok... |
| 15:37.27 | andreas__ | It worked without but thanks |
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| 15:37.56 | ndnihil | just off USB? |
| 15:38.02 | andreas__ | yeah |
| 15:38.04 | ndnihil | I thought I was the only one who had gotten that to happen |
| 15:38.10 | ndnihil | standard practice is to jump it |
| 15:38.22 | ndnihil | must be high-output USB |
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| 15:42.04 | andreas__ | seems like the om2008.12 repos were taken off completely now hm? |
| 15:42.09 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9019eecb0f96 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: add some debugging options; honor 'sync_resources_with_lifecycle' option from fso1 |
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| 15:42.16 | andreas__ | Are there package repos for SHR? |
| 15:42.24 | andreas__ | and are they updating? |
| 15:42.28 | andreas__ | and fixing? |
| 15:42.31 | ndnihil | build.shr-project.org or something |
| 15:42.38 | ndnihil | and for the most part yes it's active |
| 15:42.45 | ndnihil | but the past week or two has been dormant |
| 15:42.47 | andreas__ | oh cool |
| 15:44.21 | andreas__ | can I get qt and qt devel packages as well |
| 15:44.23 | andreas__ | ? |
| 15:44.53 | ndnihil | dunno, havent bothered with qt |
| 15:45.00 | andreas__ | doh! |
| 15:45.16 | ndnihil | I compiled perl-tk for it :) |
| 15:45.22 | andreas__ | a link to browse current repos for that? I would really appreciate i |
| 15:45.35 | ndnihil | same as above |
| 15:46.05 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r75612eef8d8f 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (Makefile.am atmediators.vala mediators.vala modem.vala): |
| 15:46.05 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: rename mediators.vala to atmediators.vala; modems with different |
| 15:46.05 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: protocols (binary) will have a completely seperate set of mediators |
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| 15:53.25 | andreas__ | that modules.2.6*.tgz stuff is for when Im on the moko and use it for more features? |
| 15:53.59 | andreas__ | like the accelrator for the move ment of the device in all 3 angles? |
| 15:54.28 | ndnihil | you can do accel without that |
| 15:54.49 | andreas__ | and what is in that modules package then? |
| 15:54.56 | ndnihil | I'm not sure if you need them or not |
| 15:55.05 | ndnihil | I doubt it |
| 15:55.13 | ndnihil | but I grabbed them anyway last time I flashed |
| 15:55.29 | ndnihil | havent installed them and everything works fine as far as I can tell |
| 15:55.49 | slaxxer | 2008.12 is still there |
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| 15:59.14 | andreas__ | slaxxer not here tried to update nothing happened they were 404 |
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| 16:35.44 | dos1 | andreas__: modules are usable for you only when you are flashing different kernel than one included in image |
| 16:35.55 | dos1 | otherwise you don't need modules at all |
| 16:36.21 | andreas__ | dos1 thanls |
| 16:36.40 | andreas__ | dos1 : thanks |
| 16:37.13 | andreas__ | and about that movement accelration how is that enableable ? |
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| 16:48.24 | ndnihil | as much a traitor as it will make me sound, this new blackberry is pretty nice |
| 16:48.49 | ndnihil | particularly mapping |
| 16:48.56 | ndnihil | the GPS isn't as good as the FR |
| 16:49.07 | ndnihil | but the nav/mapping app is great |
| 16:49.16 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0418a39f26f4 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atmediators.vala mediator.vala): fsogsmd: mediators: all run() methods need to throw FreeSmartphone.GSM.Error as well |
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| 16:57.25 | andreas__ | strange my openmoko(using SHR) is connectable via ssh but cant get on the internet as my interface is for some reason eth0 on the device instead of usb0 |
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| 17:00.16 | ndnihil | usb0 is deprecated |
| 17:00.28 | ndnihil | and you need to set forwarding and/or routing |
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| 17:04.06 | andreas__ | hmm could somebody update the wiki in this case? |
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| 17:10.07 | PaulFertser | andreas__: if i updated the wiki i'd remove all the iptables recipies altogether. |
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| 17:11.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | removes PaulFertser from wiki userlist ;-) |
| 17:12.20 | PaulFertser | asks roh for admin rights on the wiki host |
| 17:12.32 | andreas__ | PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking the one with the script for masquerading is that udev info hwaddress meant to be the pc or the moko? |
| 17:12.47 | PaulFertser | andreas__: that's what i'm talking about |
| 17:13.13 | PaulFertser | andreas__: if you don't understand networking you shouldn't be given any instructions |
| 17:13.18 | PaulFertser | imho |
| 17:13.31 | andreas__ | aha |
| 17:15.05 | andreas__ | Well I am (thanks to eth1) on my moko now tried opkg update which seeems ok I think its just stuck after om-gta02/Packages.gz |
| 17:15.21 | andreas__ | PaulFertser: I know nut I have to get these updates some how right? |
| 17:16.31 | PaulFertser | andreas__: i was advocating providing a simple and clean 3proxy (or other tiny decent procxy) configuration for those end-users who doesn't know their way round iptables. |
| 17:17.14 | PaulFertser | That way we can be sure that if a web browser on the host works, the proxy server will work too. Much more reliable and easier to track down problems. |
| 17:17.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the problem is iptables rules look differently on each box |
| 17:17.36 | PaulFertser | Currently we have users with all kind of different rules due to different distributions. |
| 17:17.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: exactly |
| 17:17.42 | andreas__ | Im just asking I understand the basic conceopts behiind Iptables just the wii page is a bit unclear about ON MY HOST or on the device at that point |
| 17:18.08 | PaulFertser | andreas__: make sure your /etc/resolv.conf on the device is reasonable. |
| 17:18.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and that problem (iptables rule blocking some traffic from FR to internet) won't change with a proxy ;-P |
| 17:18.35 | PaulFertser | andreas__: then try pinging dns server. |
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| 17:19.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: my guess is that most distros will disallow packet forwarding by default but will allow properly configured proxy to receive connections. |
| 17:20.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | almost always you have to "disbale your firewall" (aka set iptables rules to a somewhat "saner" state) |
| 17:20.44 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: yep but asking users to disable their firewalls is still easier than teaching them how to do NAT. |
| 17:20.45 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r75472c2d033d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: change floats into ints |
| 17:20.46 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rbf5a4549bb41 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: change floats into ints |
| 17:20.47 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rc861e825b168 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_ogsmd_calls.py: opimd: ogsmd-Calls: change floats into ints |
| 17:20.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ack |
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| 17:21.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway, time for breakfast |
| 17:21.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bbl |
| 17:21.30 | andreas__ | ok nameserver 208.67.222.222 and nameserver 208.67.220.220 thats ok right? |
| 17:22.00 | PaulFertser | andreas__: opendns servers, right |
| 17:22.45 | andreas__ | PaulFertser: and now? |
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| 17:23.15 | PaulFertser | wished those guys writing SHR manual spent their time writing about the really easy way to configure networking instead of copy/pasting stale info from other wiki pages :-/ |
| 17:23.25 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r18f75ac86e76 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_calls.py: opimd: SQLite-Calls: change floats into ints |
| 17:23.26 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * re6bf0312aadf 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_notes.py: opimd: SQLite-Notes: change floats into ints |
| 17:23.27 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rc07b089b58f2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_tasks.py: opimd: SQLite-Tasks: change floats into ints |
| 17:23.40 | andreas__ | ping one of them? |
| 17:23.47 | PaulFertser | andreas__: ping one of those. If it doesn't work it means you don't do NAT properly. |
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| 17:25.25 | andreas__ | so set UsbNet Checked in settings NAT on the device? |
| 17:25.32 | andreas__ | internal/external? |
| 17:25.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sometimes scrutinizing var/log/messages (or firewall or whatever your syslog is set up to log to) for iptables messages might help |
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| 17:26.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you don't need any NAT on FR! |
| 17:27.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | above note referred to desktop PC as well |
| 17:28.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | as THAT pc is doing nat for your FR to connect it to internet |
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| 17:29.22 | andreas__ | aha |
| 17:31.00 | andreas__ | ok on my _pc_ pinging is only to my router which works as you can see resolv.conf(on pc) just refers to the router IP |
| 17:32.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, that's usual. routers often implement a local DNS server |
| 17:32.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that shouldn't hurt |
| 17:32.46 | andreas__ | ok |
| 17:33.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you need a setup on your PC to forward and NAT packets from FR to router&internet |
| 17:34.09 | andreas__ | so now I cant connect to the phone though the phone says it has usb0 at 192.168.0.202 abnd the pc says eth1 as its 192.168.0.200 |
| 17:34.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: in fact sometimes it does. My shit-router ignored SRV records requests and that increased twinkle start to about 30 sec. |
| 17:34.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | then test if that works, by pinging any public IP(!) from FR |
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| 17:34.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ouch |
| 17:35.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm using staically provisioned DNS IP for quite some years now ;-) |
| 17:36.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no hussle with braindead routers, zensored provider DNServer |
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| 17:40.37 | andreas__ | a gcc is avail? |
| 17:41.06 | PaulFertser | andreas__: sure |
| 17:41.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | andi: 1)ping 192.168.0.200 (PC) - FAIL: check default route on FR. 2)ping public IP - fail: check your PC firewall, iptables forward and NAT config. 3)ping URL - fail: check FR resolv.conf |
| 17:41.33 | andreas__ | cool |
| 17:41.36 | andi | du you mean me? |
| 17:41.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | oops, yes |
| 17:41.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | oops, no |
| 17:42.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | s/ andi / andreas__ / |
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| 17:43.11 | andreas__ | its ok |
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| 17:44.32 | andi | DocScrutinizer-8: in the BOM I do not see C1767 |
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| 17:50.55 | UberNeo | whenver in pigdin ..i tried to enter password for gmail ..the keyboard just disappears ..coz it doesnt have space left at the top ..and there is no scrolll bar |
| 17:52.39 | UberNeo | Paul : Any suggestion on the keyboard on Pigdin... |
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| 18:01.38 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: you don't highlight me so i'm likely to not see you message. Use tab for nick completion. |
| 18:02.14 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: unfortunately, not much. You can try literki which is drawn over windows and works nice. |
| 18:02.25 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8f6a28dd4c58 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommand.vala mediator.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: parse unexpected error codes and return via DBus error: org.freesmartphone.GSM.DeviceFailed |
| 18:03.11 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: if it's a onetime task you can edit the config file by hand or use "ssh -Y root@freerunner" and start pidging, you'll see its window appearing on host thanks to X forwarding (-Y). |
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| 18:11.26 | andreas__ | OhBoyOhBoyOhBoy Cant wait til the updates done!!1 |
| 18:12.02 | andreas__ | *sigh* cornucopia what a nice songg... |
| 18:15.40 | UberNeo | PaulFertser, Tnaks |
| 18:15.44 | UberNeo | thanks |
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| 18:16.10 | soul9 | UberNeo: what's your favourite distro? |
| 18:16.28 | UberNeo | its SHR-U |
| 18:16.49 | UberNeo | at least almost everything works on it as a phone |
| 18:16.51 | soul9 | what is -u? |
| 18:16.58 | soul9 | url? |
| 18:16.59 | UberNeo | unstable |
| 18:17.02 | soul9 | ah |
| 18:17.04 | soul9 | i see |
| 18:17.10 | soul9 | is there a package manager? |
| 18:17.15 | soul9 | graphical* |
| 18:17.16 | UberNeo | yepp |
| 18:17.21 | soul9 | okey |
| 18:17.23 | UberNeo | www.opkg.org |
| 18:17.27 | soul9 | is it installed by default? |
| 18:17.50 | UberNeo | no u can install anything like .. opkg install packagename |
| 18:17.58 | soul9 | ok |
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| 18:18.57 | soul9 | man |
| 18:18.59 | soul9 | :( |
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| 18:20.24 | soul9 | UberNeo: opkg.org is it possible to add it as a repository? |
| 18:20.38 | soul9 | or should i not do that? |
| 18:21.20 | soul9 | UberNeo: install testing then upgrade to unstable? |
| 18:21.21 | PaulFertser | soul9: there's gui for opkg, dos1 was writing that. |
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| 18:22.00 | dos1 | more correctly - it's gui for packagekit, which can use opkg as backend |
| 18:22.05 | dos1 | shr-installer ;) |
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| 18:23.15 | soul9 | yeah, i hear good things about packagekit |
| 18:24.10 | soul9 | dos1: opkg install shr-installer? |
| 18:24.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | soul9: get image like suggested in this channels topic, and flash using dfu-util |
| 18:24.29 | soul9 | i will use usd i think |
| 18:24.31 | soul9 | but okey |
| 18:24.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | soul9: upgrade from testing not recommended |
| 18:26.58 | soul9 | ok |
| 18:27.06 | soul9 | no i found the unstable images |
| 18:29.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | soul9: I heard 20090906 is a good image as well |
| 18:29.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so maybe you prefer that to 0808 |
| 18:30.20 | soul9 | er? |
| 18:30.24 | soul9 | this is the newest |
| 18:30.26 | soul9 | i think |
| 18:30.26 | andreas__ | any plans in the open hardware design group about enabling the device to take larger SD casards too? |
| 18:31.02 | soul9 | er, is that software dependent? |
| 18:31.49 | andreas__ | uhm more hardware |
| 18:32.53 | andreas__ | eg longer sides of the device either next to the audio out or between wifi antenna and usb connector would be neat |
| 18:33.18 | andreas__ | just thinking though |
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| 18:34.04 | soul9 | wow! |
| 18:34.08 | soul9 | bootsplash! :p |
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| 18:35.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | soul9: wait until you try the "DONT PANIC" bootsplash ;-D |
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| 18:35.43 | soul9 | heh |
| 18:37.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | andreas__: no hw development, no next device |
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| 18:37.13 | soul9 | ⺠|
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| 18:57.11 | grav | where could I get best-optimised typemap for perl for SHR, please? |
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| 18:58.51 | grav | ok no question.. found at http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/ExtUtils/typemap |
| 18:59.32 | grav | seems to be quite well optimised for armv4t even if is prepared for i686 |
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| 19:08.01 | andreas__ | hmm opkg search gcc doesnt return anything does that mean no coding _on_ my SHR powered moko? |
| 19:09.53 | ndnihil | I wouldnt say so |
| 19:09.57 | ndnihil | I compile native on mine |
| 19:10.06 | ndnihil | however |
| 19:10.25 | ndnihil | you may want to try: opkg update; opkg list |grep -i gcc |
| 19:11.08 | andreas__ | yeah opkgs buld in search isnt the best I see |
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| 19:11.34 | ndnihil | after every update I usually do an opkg list > pkgs.txt |
| 19:11.39 | ndnihil | and just grep through the text file |
| 19:11.52 | ndnihil | far less resource intensive than running opkg directly |
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| 19:22.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I do opkg list|less which is highly convenient compared to grep, as I installed a full less *with* / |
| 19:25.21 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r163d3197c5a7 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind two new API calls (hoversel_get_items + toolbar_item_unselect_all) |
| 19:29.12 | UberNeo | DocScrutinizer, how to remove the full screen mode of midori..whenevr it opens it ..it gets opened in full screen mode .. |
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| 19:42.25 | Tanuva | is it possible to clear the call log in pyphonelog/shr-u? |
| 19:44.04 | pbaxter | Tanuva: i think it's not possible |
| 19:44.09 | pbaxter | surely not from GUI |
| 19:44.16 | pbaxter | maybe you can delete a sql file but dunno where |
| 19:44.29 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r31dda806ec7b 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: add gsmrtc as FSO2 is (re)using the RTC interface for the Modem Clock |
| 19:44.48 | Tanuva | or I ask the other way round: the real problem is shr-today showing me 6 missed calls all the time that I've seen days ago |
| 19:44.54 | Tanuva | but it doesn't recognize that |
| 19:45.09 | Tanuva | what should I do to make it do so? |
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| 19:56.12 | UberNeo | whenever somebody calls me ..he listens the full ring,but nothing comes up on my screen ..howevr at last the popup of phonelog comes up with 1 missed call |
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| 19:58.12 | max_posedon | UberNeo, I suggest do sometimes yourself |
| 19:58.23 | max_posedon | is it reprodusable for you? |
| 20:02.05 | UberNeo | ya sometimes ..its reproducable |
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| 20:09.28 | Undrwater | any clues how to set the log= line in uboot? |
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| 20:10.14 | Undrwater | UberNeo: i'm trying to fix that too |
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| 20:10.54 | UberNeo | Undrwater, what might be the probable reason for this |
| 20:11.08 | Undrwater | log level of boot loader |
| 20:11.17 | Undrwater | did you do suspend fix thingy? |
| 20:11.20 | Undrwater | and are you using shr? |
| 20:11.41 | UberNeo | yes its shr |
| 20:12.30 | Undrwater | did u do the suspend fix thingy? |
| 20:12.33 | UberNeo | once i suspend ..then it works fine ,,when a new call comes |
| 20:13.04 | UberNeo | just after reboot ..sometimes it doesnt works |
| 20:13.15 | Undrwater | so the problem is not during suspend? |
| 20:13.37 | UberNeo | no |
| 20:14.13 | UberNeo | even it works with deep_sleep = always |
| 20:14.42 | Undrwater | but the problem is when your phone is fully awake? |
| 20:15.00 | UberNeo | yes |
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| 20:15.38 | Undrwater | hrm...maybe u have the recamping bug? |
| 20:15.39 | UberNeo | sometimes i missed the call ..and lated on thru phone logs ..i come to know |
| 20:16.02 | UberNeo | but tht only happens in suspend mode |
| 20:16.24 | Undrwater | recamping? i thought that was always |
| 20:16.33 | Undrwater | just wakes the phone up during suspend |
| 20:17.04 | zear | hmm.. twice today.. my gprs session got disconnected. The pidgin was still saying it's connected, but i couldn't see myself logged on irc from another irc session on my desktop pc. So the gprs wasn't working. And when i tried to run mickeyterm, it just crashed. After reboot everything went back to normal. |
| 20:17.43 | UberNeo | some problems woth ophonekitd |
| 20:17.59 | UberNeo | sometimes i need to start it manually |
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| 20:28.46 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdbfb8d2886b7 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atmediators.vala mediator.vala): |
| 20:28.46 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock: transform org.freesmartphone.GSM.Error into org.freesmartphone.Error, |
| 20:28.49 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: since the realtimeclock interface does not know anything about GSM.Error |
| 20:32.16 | badcloud | anyone free? shr-settings is giving me errors when trying to play an mp3 file in profile settings |
| 20:32.50 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3c2811766691 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommands.vala: fsogsmd: fix +CCLK format |
| 20:35.53 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r749b6ce9a1b0 10/modems/generic.xml: generic.xml: fix +CCLK format |
| 20:40.43 | slaxxer | when will we get a newer/better shr-u? |
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| 21:54.27 | xyzz | anybody from .de? (just need some little help with public transport) |
| 21:57.12 | PaulFertser | xyzz: i'm not from .de but i can't resist from mentioning http://www.mitfahrerzentrale.de/ , it's just like travelling bureou from Kerouac's books. |
| 22:05.21 | PaulFertser | xyzz: railway transport in DE seemed to me unreasonably expensive btw. |
| 22:05.58 | xyzz | PaulFertser thanks, that about railways is another thing some friend told me |
| 22:06.16 | xyzz | PaulFertser but seems to be last usable option |
| 22:06.21 | PaulFertser | xyzz: i used mitfahrerzentrale myself and it was a nice trip |
| 22:06.54 | PaulFertser | xyzz: hitchhiking is kind of cubersome there or probably i'm just a horribly-looking looser. |
| 22:07.42 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: iirc you had bt headset starting automatically upon resume from suspend...is that right? |
| 22:07.57 | PaulFertser | xyzz: i know they have some long-distance buses too but don't know about the pricing. |
| 22:07.58 | xyzz | heh, I is years since I last hitchhiked :) |
| 22:08.18 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: i personally didn't have it but it's trivial to implement. |
| 22:08.19 | xyzz | s/I/it/ |
| 22:08.35 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: just call special dbus connect function after every resume. |
| 22:08.46 | Undrwater | is that in the resume script? |
| 22:08.56 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: if you have fso-apmd installed there should be a nice place to store your resume script. |
| 22:09.33 | PaulFertser | xyzz: it's a bit too late for most DE inhabitants here, you better ask tomorrow. |
| 22:09.54 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: is fso-apmd not installed by default? |
| 22:10.17 | PaulFertser | xyzz: but to me travelling bureau seemed to have the best convenience/price ratio. |
| 22:10.22 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: no idea about shr ;) |
| 22:10.25 | xyzz | PaulFertser localy popular internation transport agency (zluty.cz, which I can recommend) is not going to that part of world very often |
| 22:10.56 | xyzz | PaulFertser maybe, thanks for pointing me somewhere :) |
| 22:10.58 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: can you give me a hint what the dbus connect might look like? |
| 22:12.19 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: sure |
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| 22:13.25 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx org.bluez.Headset.Connect |
| 22:13.38 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: but better use dbus-send, it's faster. |
| 22:13.52 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: this call is mentioned on the Manually_using_Bluetooth wikipage btw |
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| 22:15.27 | Undrwater | yeah...i put that in my /etc/apm/resume.d/90sound-resume |
| 22:15.39 | Undrwater | but didn't seem to work |
| 22:17.41 | Undrwater | does dbus-send replace mdbus in that command? |
| 22:20.05 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: with some modifications to other parameters, yes |
| 22:20.18 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: you can look at the wiki page for examples |
| 22:20.38 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: (resume.d not working) probably you didn't use fso-apmd then. |
| 22:20.45 | Undrwater | OK...is where i put it an appropriate place? |
| 22:21.07 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: first you need to check you're actually using fso-apmd and it uses that directory. |
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| 22:22.01 | Undrwater | i will do that... |
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| 22:42.33 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: on shr it's fso-apm |
| 22:42.39 | Undrwater | it's not installed by default |
| 22:43.30 | Undrwater | fso-apm conflicts with apm...is there a problem if i blast apm? |
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| 22:50.13 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: you don't need apm |
| 22:50.34 | Undrwater | ok...thanks |
| 22:56.18 | Undrwater | OK...it's installed...the script is OK where it is? |
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