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| 05:34.06 | root_demon | I'm sad. |
| 05:35.48 | root_demon | mr. wiki warned me that if I add a -m flag to nandwrite that I'd get an entire partition of blocks marked as bad, and mr. wiki was correct. |
| 05:35.59 | root_demon | pouts |
| 05:47.11 | root_demon | so begins another 45 minutes of wiki reading. does anyone have positive things to say about android? my goal is to play with it on nand. |
| 05:47.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: Ah, so you preferred plain illume to niebiee. Ok, np, i'll get a version today's evening. |
| 05:47.47 | PaulFertser | root_demon: android is not for hackers, that's what android devs say themselves. |
| 05:48.05 | PaulFertser | root_demon: also -m is not a problem unless you have forgotten to do flasherase_all beforehand. |
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| 06:04.56 | root_demon | I just used flash_erase on mtd6, then I decided to try -m with nandwrite. the whole partition is now marked bad. I'm gonna have to reflash everything, included u-boot, hah? |
| 06:05.12 | root_demon | *including |
| 06:07.33 | PaulFertser | root_demon: you flasherase or flasherase_all? |
| 06:07.45 | root_demon | flasherase. |
| 06:08.25 | PaulFertser | root_demon: did you mistyped or read somewhere this harmful advice? |
| 06:08.37 | root_demon | it's actually on the wiki. |
| 06:08.54 | PaulFertser | root_demon: please pass me a link, it should be fixed immediately. |
| 06:09.21 | PaulFertser | root_demon: have you already found the guide to do "nand scrub" etc? |
| 06:09.30 | root_demon | actually, nevermind. it is flash_eraseall. |
| 06:09.39 | root_demon | the wiki page with minicom? |
| 06:09.51 | PaulFertser | root_demon: aha, so you mistyped |
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| 06:10.30 | PaulFertser | root_demon: you can use any terminal emulator you like to give commands to NOR u-boot. |
| 06:10.44 | PaulFertser | root_demon: and yes, you'll have to reflash everything on NAND. |
| 06:11.26 | root_demon | the first time I did this (yesterday) I must have used flash_eraseall. I probably used the wrong one this time. do i have to use minicom or can I reflash everything (including uboot) with flasherase/nandwrite? |
| 06:11.56 | PaulFertser | root_demon: the problem is that blocks are already marked bad, so flasherase will do nothing about it. |
| 06:12.13 | root_demon | well, that bastard.... |
| 06:12.40 | PaulFertser | root_demon: you can take Werner's badnand utility (that shows information about bad blocks) and somehow alter it to support clearing BBT and OOB data about bad blocks. |
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| 06:12.50 | PaulFertser | root_demon: or use NOR u-boot to "scrub" nand. |
| 06:13.42 | PaulFertser | root_demon: or just use your SD and boot everything you need from it. |
| 06:14.29 | root_demon | I read the wiki on minicom/neocon and I don't quiet get it. I don't have a /dev/ttyACM0. is it better to use neocon to avoid kernel/module compilation? |
| 06:15.37 | root_demon | well, I have to use the SD card. the motherboard on my laptop is about gone. the usb ports no longer work. it's looking more and more like a technology graveyard in here. the freerunner will be next on the list when i end up bricking it. |
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| 06:36.41 | root_demon | would you happen to have a wiki link to that? |
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| 06:44.41 | PaulFertser | root_demon: about what? |
| 06:44.53 | PaulFertser | root_demon: using SD? |
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| 06:45.49 | PaulFertser | root_demon: just untar the latest SHR unstable on SD. But i'm not sure what your u-boot configuration looks like so i can't tell for sure how to make it boot. |
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| 06:59.51 | root_demon | I'm running on SD right now. I had to install it on SD while running off NAND though, seeing as I can't use usb for anything. minicom will let me reflash with running off my card? |
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| 07:00.07 | root_demon | also, has anyone noticed that the battery contains two typos? |
| 07:04.08 | PaulFertser | root_demon: the battery? |
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| 07:04.47 | PaulFertser | root_demon: minicom can connect to your device via cdc_acm (using usb) when u-boot is running. And u-boot doesn't run from SD. |
| 07:06.45 | root_demon | so minicom mus be used on a computer connected to the phone via usb? |
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| 07:09.26 | PaulFertser | root_demon: not necessarily minicom |
| 07:10.14 | root_demon | is there any way to do it without the use of a computer? reflashing uboot/bbt on nand while running off of sd? |
| 07:12.03 | lindi- | root_demon: why not just use nandwrite? |
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| 07:13.16 | root_demon | *chuckle* cool. that's pretty much what I was asking. if I nandwrite a new uboot to mtd2, is that going to reset the bbt? |
| 07:13.26 | lindi- | root_demon: bbt? |
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| 07:13.46 | root_demon | the bad block table. aka my mtd6 partition. |
| 07:14.34 | lindi- | root_demon: i don't know about bad block tables. |
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| 07:15.18 | root_demon | I added a -m flag to nandwrite and the while root partition ended up being marked as bad. |
| 07:15.49 | Afridi | Hello Every, I am using FDOM on Neofree Runner, But The phone doesnt detect my SIM card |
| 07:15.58 | lindi- | root_demon: who marks it as bad? |
| 07:16.07 | Afridi | Any one knows What could be the problem |
| 07:16.46 | root_demon | lindi: who? |
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| 07:18.39 | lindi- | root_demon: "ened up being marked as bad"? |
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| 07:35.25 | PaulFertser | root_demon: no, reflashing u-boot can't clear bbt |
| 07:35.30 | PaulFertser | root_demon: obviously |
| 07:35.52 | PaulFertser | root_demon: i've already told you that your only chance is to modify Werner's badnand utility or to find some usb host finally. |
| 07:37.59 | PaulFertser | root_demon: also don't forget that on FR bad block information is also stored in OOB data :-/ |
| 07:39.19 | root_demon | PaulFertser: re-read the wiki. so, the bbt is at the very end of flash. I get it now. if i were to 0xFF (or does a 0 bit represent clear?) the last two blocks, would that be enough? that wouldn't help with oob though. i see that your name is on that wiki page for clearing the bbt. |
| 07:40.57 | root_demon | I'm just not going to be able to accept that as an answer. I'm gonna find a way to clear that table without a host computer. |
| 07:41.22 | PaulFertser | root_demon: i have to admit i've already forgot all the details but i can say you think in right direction. But please make sure you verify every step you're going to perform. I really recommend you to at least read werner's badnand.c to understand more about BBT. |
| 07:42.06 | PaulFertser | root_demon: also i'm not sure anymore if linux NAND code uses only BBT or OOB too. |
| 07:42.17 | PaulFertser | root_demon: and not sure about u-boot. |
| 07:42.35 | PaulFertser | root_demon: btw, nandwrite allows you to alter OOB data too if you use some proper switches. |
| 07:42.43 | root_demon | now where is badnand.c again? is that part of the nand utils stuff's source? |
| 07:43.17 | PaulFertser | root_demon: no, it's Werner's utility: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/badnand/ |
| 07:44.13 | PaulFertser | root_demon: btw, i recommend you to search openmoko kernel ML archives, there was some discussion about all that stuff (badnand was written as a result of that), i think you'll get more understanding if you find it. |
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| 07:45.41 | root_demon | m'kay, will do. I'm sure somebody else out there must have been in the same predicament. |
| 07:47.31 | PaulFertser | root_demon: not really, having an access to a usb-host equipped device is quite common. Also not many people tried using nandwrite, even less of those used wrong command for erasing the flash and moreover they didn't risk using -m i guess. |
| 07:48.22 | root_demon | well, maybe I'll add a wiki page after all this - a 'what not to do' page. |
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| 07:52.17 | PaulFertser | root_demon: there's already a warning on the wiki about -m |
| 07:53.46 | PaulFertser | root_demon: btw, i think i was probably the first to do the stupid thing and to mess my nand using -m. I'm not sure anymore but probably i solved that overwriting the relevant nand partition (including OOB) with 0xff but i didn't touch BBT. |
| 07:57.44 | thrashold | Can GTA1 charge GTA2 batteries? |
| 07:58.03 | PaulFertser | thrashold: well, sort of |
| 07:58.28 | thrashold | I'm still wondering if my gta01 is dead, or it was just the battery |
| 07:58.40 | PaulFertser | thrashold: when it's running, it can charge but in theory it can not reach more than 200mA and that needs tweaking of one PMU register |
| 07:58.42 | thrashold | I diagnosed it dead after it didn't charge the gta02 battery |
| 07:59.01 | PaulFertser | thrashold: you better fully charge gta02 battery in gta02 and then try it in your gta01. |
| 07:59.42 | PaulFertser | thrashold: because in practice those 200mA seem to be split between charging and powering the device so in the best case (after manually tweaking PMU register) you'll have ~50mA charging. |
| 08:00.05 | PaulFertser | thrashold: but if you fully booted and then did "poweroff" then PMU will start charging with 500mA limit. |
| 08:00.19 | PaulFertser | I don't have explanation but this stuff i say currently i've seen myself. |
| 08:00.24 | thrashold | I see |
| 08:00.56 | PaulFertser | thrashold: why do you think your gta01 is dead? |
| 08:01.00 | thrashold | Well |
| 08:02.11 | thrashold | Its battery had swollen, and it wasn't charging, and I bought a gta02 battery, thinking it was the battery |
| 08:02.19 | thrashold | The new battery still didn't charge |
| 08:02.41 | thrashold | And due to the fact that I've heard the scream of death several times |
| 08:02.52 | thrashold | I thought that the device was dead |
| 08:03.00 | thrashold | at least the charging |
| 08:03.11 | PaulFertser | thrashold: oh, scream of death. :( why didn't you avoid it? |
| 08:03.19 | thrashold | I didn't know about it :) |
| 08:03.37 | PaulFertser | thrashold: can you probably get access to any nokia bl-5c charger or cellphone with charged battery? |
| 08:04.12 | thrashold | I have charged GTA02 batteries, the phone works with them |
| 08:04.18 | thrashold | It just doesn't charge anything |
| 08:04.19 | thrashold | :) |
| 08:04.23 | PaulFertser | thrashold: btw, if you're handy with soldering iron you can carefully disassemble the battery and insert 10k between id pin and ground, it will allow gta01 to charge it. |
| 08:04.33 | PaulFertser | thrashold: aha, so it's not dead, lucky you! |
| 08:05.01 | thrashold | So it is possible that even the charging is OK? |
| 08:05.05 | PaulFertser | thrashold: so to say yes, gta01 has difficulties charging non-native batteries. There're three possible fixes: |
| 08:05.17 | thrashold | (I can't check the damanged battery, because I heard that gta02 wouldn't charge it) |
| 08:05.51 | PaulFertser | thrashold: fully boot with the battery you want to charge (it should have enough juice for that) and then do 'poweroff'. Do not disconnect from USB! It will charge with 500mA. |
| 08:06.06 | PaulFertser | thrashold: second is to take any compatible battery and use 10k there. |
| 08:06.39 | PaulFertser | thrashold: third (and best imho) is to change 10k inside gta01 to 70k that will allow to charge any nokia bl-[456]c battery. |
| 08:08.49 | PaulFertser | thrashold: (70k) that's basically an 'educated guess' i suggest you measure the resistance on your particular nokia battery while it's at about room temperature and use something close to that. |
| 08:09.17 | PaulFertser | thrashold: (gta02 charging foreign battery) gta02 never had any problems charging _any_ battery. |
| 08:09.31 | PaulFertser | thrashold: but i'd not recommend to try to use a "swallen" one anyway. |
| 08:09.50 | thrashold | I tried, and it didn't charge it. So I assume it's the battery |
| 08:09.50 | thrashold | ? |
| 08:10.02 | ndnihil | swollen/puffed lith = internal short |
| 08:10.06 | ndnihil | not to be used |
| 08:10.14 | ndnihil | and can catch fire if not handled/treated properly |
| 08:10.26 | PaulFertser | ndnihil++ |
| 08:10.30 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 08:10.34 | ndnihil | :) |
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| 08:11.20 | ndnihil | I usually dispose of them by placing them in a bucket of salt water, then stabbing through the casing |
| 08:11.33 | ndnihil | salt water neutralizes the electrolyte |
| 08:13.16 | thrashold | PaulFertser: If I want my gta01 to charge gta02 batteries, what should I do? |
| 08:15.06 | ndnihil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCWdnjLqVWw |
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| 08:29.28 | thrashold | What is the best way to make it do that? :P |
| 08:30.20 | ndnihil | to make it swell/vent/catch fire? |
| 08:30.29 | thrashold | yes |
| 08:30.35 | ndnihil | overcurrent conditions |
| 08:30.41 | ndnihil | short it |
| 08:30.45 | ndnihil | overcharge it |
| 08:30.48 | ndnihil | etc.. |
| 08:31.40 | thrashold | Will overheating it suffice? |
| 08:31.56 | ndnihil | I'd imagine so |
| 08:32.35 | PaulFertser | thrashold: (charge gta02 batteries in gta01) hm, read backlog? |
| 08:32.40 | ndnihil | not sure how hot you'd have to make it for the internal structure break down though |
| 08:34.01 | thrashold | PaulFertser: This one: <PaulFertser> thrashold: third (and best imho) is to change 10k inside gta01 to 70k that will allow to charge any nokia bl-[456]c battery. |
| 08:34.02 | thrashold | ? |
| 08:34.35 | PaulFertser | thrashold: what's unclear about it? ;) |
| 08:35.00 | thrashold | It mentions nokia batteries :) |
| 08:37.04 | thrashold | So I assume I can use this for a gta02 battery, too. OK. I'm currently testing the first suggestion :O) |
| 08:39.36 | thrashold | thanks |
| 08:39.59 | PaulFertser | thrashold: nope, to charge gta02 battery like it's native you'll need to disassemble the battery and to connect 10k there between id pin and gnd. |
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| 08:40.17 | PaulFertser | thrashold: because gta02 batteries have a special bq27000 chip that uses HDQ over that ID pin normally. |
| 08:40.39 | thrashold | No way to do this by modyfing the phone? |
| 08:40.52 | PaulFertser | thrashold: alternatively, you can make some hardware tweak to gta01 to disable temperature control altogether. |
| 08:41.10 | PaulFertser | thrashold: that way it'll work like gta02 charging any battery. |
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| 09:41.31 | jeddy3 | CM: gtug på torsdag? :) |
| 09:43.33 | PaulFertser | wonders if the world would become better or worse if all the people suddenly became a little bit stoned (not too much) for a month. |
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| 09:53.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: start with yourself ;-P |
| 09:55.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | from my experience the effect of each psychoactive substance is so individual you can't really tell what was the resulting average result |
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| 09:56.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | s/experience/observation (to make clear;)/ |
| 09:57.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: i've never heard about cases where stoned people became more aggressive or evil comparing to their normal state. |
| 09:57.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: so what theme do you want me to (crudely) alter to almost remove the keyboard topbar? |
| 09:58.08 | DocScrutinizer-8 | default? |
| 09:58.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: np, i'll try to do it today's evening if i won't be too sleepy. |
| 09:58.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aka illume-shr? |
| 09:59.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: missing agressivity might result in a real evil world -- you never know |
| 10:00.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not immediately, but long term anyway |
| 10:00.43 | ndnihil | if accomplished by way of becoming stoned, it'll result in a very lazy planet who can't be arsed to do much of anything |
| 10:00.43 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: (never know) that's exactly why i'm asking other opinions. |
| 10:01.57 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i'm not sure it's much worse than it is now (when people are not lazy enough to refrain from wars e.g. :( ) |
| 10:02.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | probably without agressive mastering his environment, man never even made it to have fire or survive predators |
| 10:03.21 | PaulFertser | But probably we've already passed the point and now agressivity is redudant? |
| 10:04.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | If I was SVN master of the sourcecode, I really had to ponder if you get commit access ;-) |
| 10:05.05 | DocScrutinizer-8 | live is a *very* complex app |
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| 10:05.35 | ndnihil | time for a reboot |
| 10:06.54 | ndnihil | cannibinoids are effective for a lot of things (I use it for nausea), but the long term effects for behavioral modification use can backfire I'm sure |
| 10:07.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: for good reason I prefer the bonmots version like that: "live would be so easy if only I could *read* the sourcecode" |
| 10:07.43 | SpeedEvil | The negative effects on some of prolonged use - especially when young are fairly solid. |
| 10:08.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | s/live/life/ |
| 10:08.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | morning |
| 10:08.11 | ndnihil | yeah, I'd say 21+ before people start smoking |
| 10:08.43 | ndnihil | 31+ for alcohol ;) |
| 10:09.29 | Meomer | 41+ for driving? :) |
| 10:09.46 | ndnihil | driving is freedom |
| 10:09.47 | PaulFertser | And what about age of "consent"? |
| 10:09.51 | ndnihil | nobody should be denied that at any age |
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| 10:09.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah. Look at me! would you want your children to become the same? ;-P |
| 10:11.08 | Meomer | what about pregnancy? there's enough examples of people who shouldn't be parents on daytime tv :p |
| 10:14.20 | SpeedEvil | Meomer: and that's just the presenters. |
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| 10:16.29 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 10:16.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/2897782/Review-Rubiks-TouchCube |
| 10:16.41 | ndnihil | saw that |
| 10:16.42 | SpeedEvil | Electronic is not always better |
| 10:16.45 | ndnihil | I'd stick with the original |
| 10:16.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shudders |
| 10:23.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ok, now that we got a coalition for govmnt of one individual that thinks SMS is startrek tricorder, and a party that sends SPAM for election adverts... We really need to think about new way to sneak around the chinesefication of german internet |
| 10:28.05 | ndnihil | you know, I'm surprised there aren't bluetooth headsets modeled after the communicator boomerang shaped things they had on their shirts |
| 10:28.16 | ndnihil | (original series) |
| 10:29.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | what's the use of a headset pinned to your shirt? ;-P |
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| 10:30.12 | ndnihil | to look (only slightly) like less of a dipshit than people who walk around with BT headsets on their ears all day? |
| 10:30.27 | ndnihil | we call them "blue-tools" here |
| 10:30.35 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: paramount would get all pissy about that. |
| 10:30.48 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: I am really surprised though that they haven't licensed one. |
| 10:30.48 | ndnihil | with "tool" being slang for cock/penis/dipshit/dumbass/etc... |
| 10:31.07 | ndnihil | (not sure if you have the same slang on that side of the pond) |
| 10:31.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | never heqrd |
| 10:31.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | heard |
| 10:31.42 | ndnihil | glad I clarified then :) |
| 10:32.02 | ndnihil | kinda like "bellend" in the UK |
| 10:32.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | (paramount) SpeedEvil how do you know they didn't |
| 10:32.42 | ndnihil | I'm sure the chinese don't care much about licensing issues |
| 10:32.58 | ndnihil | and they make dual-sim phones that looks like mickey mouses head |
| 10:33.06 | ndnihil | (seriously) |
| 10:33.54 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm sure it would have been slashdoted. |
| 10:33.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ponders to make big money with dedicated VPN proxy bulk hosting somewhere in shanghai or maybe russia |
| 10:34.21 | ndnihil | I'd avoid doing it in china |
| 10:34.22 | SpeedEvil | I would be somewhat interested in VPN terminating in russia. |
| 10:34.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: ok, I'm not on /. regularly |
| 10:34.39 | ndnihil | they seem to be pretty strict about the great firewall |
| 10:34.51 | SpeedEvil | The UK government is increasingly taking the view 'logging stuff is cool!' |
| 10:35.02 | ndnihil | I want VPN terminating in the UK, so I can watch BBC's iplayer thing |
| 10:35.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: (russia) so let's call that a business model |
| 10:35.44 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: I can offer this service at the low, low price of one Freerunner or n900 per month for 128k VPN. |
| 10:35.53 | ndnihil | heheh |
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| 10:36.35 | ndnihil | I should have some bandwidth there soon enough |
| 10:36.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: that should be possible with openproxy even |
| 10:36.49 | ndnihil | our london office is growing |
| 10:37.15 | ndnihil | doc: on the rare occasion open proxies work, they're jumpy and unusable for streaming video |
| 10:37.21 | ndnihil | at least the ones I've tried |
| 10:37.26 | SpeedEvil | you don't need streaming |
| 10:37.30 | SpeedEvil | get_iplayer |
| 10:37.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | k, granted |
| 10:37.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | err admittedly |
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| 10:43.05 | ndnihil | hrm, can't find the mickey mouse phone, but they have plenty of: iFone, SciPhone, NOKLA, SAMSUHG, HiPhone, etc.. |
| 10:43.43 | Kagee | Does the koolu SD-card installer also format the SD ? |
| 10:44.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: huh? |
| 10:44.40 | ndnihil | dealextreme.com |
| 10:44.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | think-geek.com? |
| 10:44.43 | ndnihil | check out their phones |
| 10:44.59 | ndnihil | they've got pretty good prices on laser bits too |
| 10:45.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wants a 1500mW green laser |
| 10:45.50 | ndnihil | I want a slightly higher wattach CO2 laser |
| 10:45.54 | ndnihil | er |
| 10:45.56 | ndnihil | wattage |
| 10:46.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bah, co2 is IR |
| 10:46.31 | ndnihil | dont care if I can see it, I want to make a CNC laser cutter |
| 10:46.39 | ndnihil | and CO2 is the best bang for the buck in cutting lasers |
| 10:46.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, yes. that might be nice |
| 10:47.13 | SpeedEvil | CO2 laser cutters are available relatively inexpensively on ebay. |
| 10:47.19 | SpeedEvil | As are replacement tubes |
| 10:47.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | really? |
| 10:47.27 | SpeedEvil | 1000e |
| 10:47.32 | SpeedEvil | (for the whole cutter) |
| 10:47.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | watts? |
| 10:47.42 | ndnihil | has never once, -ever- made an ebay transaction |
| 10:47.48 | SpeedEvil | no - 25-40W IIRC |
| 10:47.52 | Kagee | I need to disable pin on a sim card before installing Android, how would i do thiss on a SHR-flashed phone? |
| 10:47.53 | SpeedEvil | 1000 euro |
| 10:48.01 | SpeedEvil | has done about 400 |
| 10:48.06 | SpeedEvil | (ebay transactions) |
| 10:48.34 | SpeedEvil | is sitting on a sofa from ebay, typing on a laptop from ebay, listening to a radio from ebay. |
| 10:48.36 | ndnihil | I've browsed ebay, and been awfully tempted on some things, but nothing |
| 10:48.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: (ebay) same here |
| 10:49.01 | ndnihil | I get a lot of stuff from craigslist though |
| 10:49.10 | SpeedEvil | craigslist doesn't exist here. |
| 10:49.13 | ndnihil | but it's local, and I can inspect them before purchase |
| 10:49.16 | ndnihil | sure they do |
| 10:49.24 | SpeedEvil | No, they don't functionally. |
| 10:49.43 | ndnihil | http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ |
| 10:49.58 | SpeedEvil | dundee.craigslist.co.uk |
| 10:50.03 | ndnihil | haven't checked out any of the non-US craigslist sites except tokyo |
| 10:50.05 | SpeedEvil | Look at the massive choice! |
| 10:50.28 | ndnihil | oh wow |
| 10:50.35 | ndnihil | one post in cars/trucks |
| 10:50.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: fun starts at 200W |
| 10:50.54 | ndnihil | cheap rover metro |
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| 10:51.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it depends - 40W is just fine for cutting thin stuff. Multiple passes can even cut somewhat thicker. |
| 10:51.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: ouch |
| 10:52.05 | ndnihil | I'm surprised it hasn't taken off in other places like it has here |
| 10:52.33 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: ebay got there first |
| 10:53.04 | ndnihil | yeah, but this is free, -local-, and community moderated |
| 10:53.04 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: And once you've got ebay with - say - 10 cars for sale - very few people will list it on craigslist, with 1. |
| 10:53.12 | SpeedEvil | ebay is local too. |
| 10:53.16 | SpeedEvil | 'within 5 miles' |
| 10:53.20 | ndnihil | ah |
| 10:53.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dreams of H-F laser of a suitcase or gun formfactor |
| 10:53.46 | ndnihil | doc: wait until supercapacitors are more readily available |
| 10:53.49 | ndnihil | it'll happen :) |
| 10:54.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | H-F is a chemical laser. No electronics at all |
| 10:54.27 | ndnihil | er, needs stimulation somehow no? |
| 10:54.36 | ndnihil | or is it all chem? |
| 10:54.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | fill chamber with H2 and F2, and ignite |
| 10:54.42 | mjr | this came up elsewhere; has there been further confirmation or disproval of the speculation that sdxc cards could perhaps be readable by current sdhc controllers if you get to bang them yourself and not eg. through a usb mass storage abstraction? |
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| 10:55.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mjr: no to my knowledge |
| 10:55.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mjr: as jury still out on final xc specs |
| 10:56.06 | mjr | righto |
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| 10:58.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: with two pressurized containers you probably can even have a continuous "laser fire" |
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| 11:00.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: don't use glass to build the reaction chamber ;-) |
| 11:00.33 | ndnihil | no doubt |
| 11:01.26 | ndnihil | I'm still holding out for something electrical |
| 11:01.31 | ndnihil | easier to recharge |
| 11:01.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not really, for mobile usage |
| 11:02.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you need a whole backpack of capacitors |
| 11:02.48 | ndnihil | not the new virus grown caps (I hope) |
| 11:02.57 | ndnihil | or was it bacteria |
| 11:03.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and another one to carry the small 2stroke generator for electrical power |
| 11:05.31 | ndnihil | yeah, but where are you going to refill the raw material for a chem laser? |
| 11:06.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | at Linde tech. gases (R) ;-P |
| 11:06.22 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 11:07.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the problem is, where do you get rid of all the HF acid ;) |
| 11:07.24 | ndnihil | easy, add a small pump and use it for close-quarters combat |
| 11:07.49 | ndnihil | laser blast the zombies from a distance, melt them up close |
| 11:08.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | should apply for a designer job at halliburton |
| 11:08.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | or whatever they are called |
| 11:09.31 | ndnihil | is now known as Q |
| 11:12.20 | ndnihil | another one I've been wanting to make is rail-type gun |
| 11:12.28 | SpeedEvil | Is SDXC in fact a total rewrite of the protocol, or is it simply a couple more status bits, and a sucky filesystem? |
| 11:12.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: good question |
| 11:13.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: might even be a total redefine of PHY |
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| 11:14.33 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 11:14.50 | SpeedEvil | for some things, if it supports te base SPI mode that might be just fine |
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| 11:15.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | honestly I doubt you want >32GB for FR anyway |
| 11:16.02 | ndnihil | does |
| 11:16.14 | ndnihil | but I'm just going to use USB disk |
| 11:16.18 | SpeedEvil | More generally asking- as some embedded people hang out here |
| 11:16.32 | SpeedEvil | I have some other stuff I might want to put it in |
| 11:17.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: I'd very much expect they do a multilevel PHY, or a multi-serial |
| 11:18.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | both absolutely incompatible to SDHC driver hw |
| 11:20.08 | SpeedEvil | yes - 104 megabytes/second would be a real challenge to push over 4 pins |
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| 11:21.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | with digital logic yes |
| 11:22.20 | mjr | (yeah I'm also more interested in the potential compatibility on other devices, but this had been speculated on here as well) |
| 11:22.33 | mjr | there'd be the Touchbook, and well, even OLPC XO ;P |
| 11:22.50 | mjr | plus my generic interest in such matters |
| 11:23.13 | mjr | basically what SE said about base SPI mode _would_ be fine for some things |
| 11:23.46 | ndnihil | 104M/s over 4 pins isn't that unrealistic (ethernet cable anyone?), just need some -really- fast memory |
| 11:24.17 | mjr | though perhaps not very optimal for a device's root file system, but I forget how fast/slow it is |
| 11:24.29 | ndnihil | and a -really- fast controller on the other end |
| 11:24.36 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: it's not that that's the problem. |
| 11:24.43 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: the SD connector is poorly specified |
| 11:24.55 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: in terms of impedences and stuff. |
| 11:25.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ndnihil: ever checked PHY of GB-ethernet? |
| 11:25.21 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: ethernet also uses very, very, very complex encodings |
| 11:25.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 11:25.42 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: current SDHC - 3.3V = '1', 0V = '0' |
| 11:26.04 | SpeedEvil | The ethernet spec for the basic GE protocol spans tens of pages. |
| 11:26.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that won't stay |
| 11:26.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | (current SDHC) |
| 11:26.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for XC |
| 11:26.46 | SpeedEvil | no - however for the immediate future at least it would probably be a useful low-power mode |
| 11:28.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | depending on the one "reserved" bit in SDHC prot existing or not, they for sure will specify a backward compatibility mode for XC |
| 11:29.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | honestly I have no idea if adress space of HC is used up with 32G |
| 11:29.54 | SpeedEvil | assuming they are sane. |
| 11:30.19 | mjr | address space of HC goes up to wasit 2 or 4 terabytes |
| 11:30.24 | mjr | the cap is artificial |
| 11:30.24 | SpeedEvil | Releasing a 32G limited standard when 4G cards were coming out is not the act of a sane standardsmaking body |
| 11:31.08 | mjr | my guess is sane and greedy |
| 11:31.09 | SpeedEvil | And the cap being artificial doesn't really ensure that everyone would implement a - say - 128G SDHC card sanely |
| 11:31.19 | mjr | no it doesn't |
| 11:31.34 | mjr | but hey, at least they'll get to sell all-new readers now |
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| 11:34.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, Nokia states in their N900 specs "external SD storage: 16G (for now)" |
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| 11:34.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | OWTTE |
| 11:34.51 | mjr | ie. "haven't bothered to test 32G SDHC cards" |
| 11:35.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hehe, you'll have a hard time to test a 32G uSD right now |
| 11:38.16 | mjr | n900 was micro? okay then |
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| 13:18.17 | skamster_ | hello all.. i want to use the offline-shr-manager, but i've got already a keypair on my host.. and this should use the phasphrase.. |
| 13:18.44 | skamster_ | does someone know how i could say ssh "use this key for the moko, the other otherwhise"? |
| 13:24.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | skamster_: man ssh |
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| 13:28.08 | skamster_ | mmh, yes, the documentation is good for a one-time-config, i could define there another key, but in a whole application? |
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| 13:43.23 | PaulFertser | skamster_: there's a config file for .ssh and there you can specify per-host configuration, including the place to find your secret key iirc. |
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| 13:56.04 | skamster_ | ah, cool.. :) thx :) |
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| 13:58.53 | ndnihil | I'll be able to install the FR in the car |
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| 14:37.56 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:16.24 | slaxxer | for us users Gta02-core should update the wiki |
| 15:16.36 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 15:16.39 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 15:17.19 | slaxxer | documentation? |
| 15:17.41 | slaxxer | process info |
| 15:17.53 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.32 | slaxxer | its been more than"a few days" |
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| 15:18.52 | slaxxer | i realize the list is handy |
| 15:20.19 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.41 | slaxxer | or a board that will replace this thing in my phone |
| 15:21.41 | slaxxer | that hole where the externel gps ant. is could be the place for a cam |
| 15:23.53 | SpeedEvil | You do know that to get a production run kicked off will take a fair slice of $100k? |
| 15:24.20 | blindcoder | hehehehe |
| 15:24.22 | blindcoder | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/448f5f9cfad119bba40586bac626dc21.png |
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| 15:38.13 | slaxxer | so u recieved a call before booting? |
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| 15:51.03 | skamster_ | ehm, does someone know when the next shr-update will be? |
| 15:51.09 | skamster_ | is the server defect? |
| 15:51.25 | skamster_ | (at least the upload?) |
| 15:52.00 | skamster_ | it's strange to see so many packages which should be ready for update but aren't on the server.. |
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| 15:55.11 | pabs3 | its being discussed in dev channel right now, seems to be imminent, like in the next day or earlier |
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| 16:01.01 | blindcoder | slaxxer: no, that's dwm running instead of illume :) |
| 16:01.34 | blindcoder | btw, anyone else seeing launcher crashes with "type array 97 not a basic type"? |
| 16:02.01 | skamster_ | pabs3: that's great |
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| 16:03.37 | slaxxer | ic |
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| 16:14.22 | leth | hey i just got this really nice effect while boot shr.. the text was being rendered over the shr logo, looked really cool! |
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| 16:19.38 | slaxxer | maybe a new .jffs2 file will appear |
| 16:19.43 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.44 | slaxxer | or better yet a testing image:) |
| 16:22.07 | slaxxer | leth is that an older image? |
| 16:22.57 | leth | slaxxer: it's pretty new, perhaps not the latest, but not far from it if it isn't.. |
| 16:23.35 | blindcoder | leth: that means your loglevel on the kernel parameter is too high |
| 16:23.57 | leth | blindcoder: what do you mean too high.. it's a nice feature! |
| 16:25.25 | pabs3 | leth: icky more like |
| 16:25.59 | leth | i thought it looked cool. |
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| 16:26.06 | leth | looks matters you know.. :) |
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| 16:28.13 | slaxxer | yea it covers up that shr logo |
| 16:28.57 | slaxxer | is it the 080809 shr-unstable? |
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| 18:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 18:19.42 | apt | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 18:23.11 | azaghal | ~help |
| 18:23.17 | azaghal | Nice :) |
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| 18:47.27 | uhsf | i tried to change theme in shr settings but it's totally broken now. how to change back the theme if the interface is now totally broken? |
| 18:48.31 | BluesLee | uhsf: you may try rm -rf ~/.e, restart x |
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| 18:51.22 | dos1 | uhsf: no |
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| 18:51.28 | dos1 | uhsf: just edit /etc/profile.d/elementary |
| 18:51.35 | dos1 | as that's file which shr-settings modifies |
| 18:51.44 | dos1 | or run shr-settings with that command: |
| 18:51.56 | dos1 | ELM_THEME=default ELM_FINGER_SIZE=70 shr-settings |
| 18:52.08 | uhsf | i can't get the keyboard for the terminal. i'll try connecting with usb |
| 19:02.42 | uhsf | now it won't connect with usb. iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24, sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 |
| 19:02.53 | uhsf | what am i missing? |
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| 19:17.20 | uhsf | i haven't come here for about 10 months now i guess things have changed for the freerunner since that time |
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| 19:17.55 | ndnihil | if you've flashed it to a recent dist, use ethN where N is the next available eth device |
| 19:18.05 | ndnihil | usbN has been deprecated |
| 19:21.29 | slaxxer | eth2 here |
| 19:21.46 | ndnihil | here too |
| 19:22.44 | lindi- | ndnihil: it's just a name anyway :) |
| 19:22.49 | ndnihil | true |
| 19:22.51 | lindi- | ndnihil: I call it 'neo' :) |
| 19:23.26 | ndnihil | I shall call mine george |
| 19:25.18 | uhsf | 2009 was the year of linux on smartphones with releases of android, palm pre, and soon nokia maemo phone. freerunner has gotten irrelevant very fast. |
| 19:25.44 | uhsf | i guess android is by far the best distro for the freerunner now |
| 19:25.52 | lindi- | uhsf: irrelevant in what sense? |
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| 19:26.12 | lindi- | uhsf: surely not when we talk about free software |
| 19:26.53 | ndnihil | unfortunately my FR is no longer a phone |
| 19:26.55 | ndnihil | as it were |
| 19:27.35 | uhsf | om and shr are very unreliable and outdated compared to android, webos and maemo |
| 19:27.37 | ndnihil | I was using the sim from my work brokeberry, but it was disabled this morning so it could transfer to the new CDMA BB that should be here tomorrow |
| 19:27.49 | lindi- | uhsf: are you now comparing software or hardware? |
| 19:28.21 | uhsf | om, shr, android, webos, maemo are all software |
| 19:28.25 | ndnihil | I'm going to mount it in the car and have it pretend it's a CD changer |
| 19:28.29 | ndnihil | serving up mp3s |
| 19:28.32 | lindi- | uhsf: yep but freerunner isn't |
| 19:28.39 | lindi- | uhsf: I agree om is quite horrible |
| 19:28.53 | ndnihil | have a USB adapter that lets the factory head unit think that a PC is a CD changer |
| 19:29.12 | ndnihil | so I can control the media player from the head unit buttons |
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| 19:33.08 | slaxxer | an thats why its important for all to get a new motherboard that works |
| 19:33.17 | slaxxer | so get on it |
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| 19:37.24 | ndnihil | is holding out for the n900 |
| 19:37.41 | ndnihil | I sorely hope that proper linux can be installed on it |
| 19:37.54 | lindi- | ndnihil: please keep the non-free stuff out of this channel :) |
| 19:38.17 | ndnihil | there's always a chance :) |
| 19:38.19 | lindi- | ndnihil: you can't even charge the battery on n900 without non-free blobs |
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| 19:41.30 | ndnihil | as long as I get a shell, perl, and the ability to interact with the modem, I'm good |
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| 19:49.48 | slaxxer | sounds like Mandriva |
| 19:50.29 | slaxxer | this om system is very good it just needs some new hardware |
| 19:50.46 | slaxxer | an we are about to get it:) |
| 19:50.52 | uhsf | why does shr can't connect with usb now? it was able to 10 months ago |
| 19:51.21 | uhsf | i'm very patient but freerunner gets me incredibly frustrated |
| 19:51.32 | slaxxer | did u flash the latest ,jffs2? |
| 19:51.42 | slaxxer | . |
| 19:51.54 | uhsf | i flashed about a year ago with shr |
| 19:52.07 | slaxxer | well step up to the plate |
| 19:52.08 | uhsf | i don't think it has evolved much since then |
| 19:52.18 | slaxxer | oo yes it has |
| 19:52.43 | uhsf | the last update was in may so it's still not that new |
| 19:52.56 | slaxxer | your system doesnt show it as usb0 anymore does it? |
| 19:53.13 | slaxxer | oo u use testing? |
| 19:53.18 | uhsf | anyway i'd be happy to flash the whole thing to android but the first step would still be to connect with usb |
| 19:53.26 | slaxxer | no |
| 19:53.41 | lindi- | ndnihil: that's nearly not enough for me |
| 19:53.57 | slaxxer | use the 080809 shr-unstable |
| 19:53.58 | max_posedon | look at dmesg |
| 19:54.22 | max_posedon | usb0 now eth1 or smth like this |
| 19:54.35 | slaxxer | yup |
| 19:54.55 | slaxxer | get rid of that old testing image |
| 19:55.13 | ndnihil | lindi: ideally it's not enough for me either, but it's a start |
| 19:55.20 | uhsf | usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1a.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 46:ec:b7:ba:d1:1b |
| 19:55.25 | lindi- | ndnihil: but freerunner can do more than that already |
| 19:55.28 | slaxxer | its not even a start |
| 19:55.41 | ndnihil | true, but the hardware is slow |
| 19:55.47 | slaxxer | its a start in the wrong direction |
| 19:56.00 | max_posedon | uhsf, it means you forgot update kernel |
| 19:56.50 | uhsf | max_posedon: update shr kernel or my arch linux system kernel? |
| 19:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: don't rant about missing evolution in SHR... It's you who missed it! Just flash 2009-08-08 and give it a try |
| 19:57.39 | uhsf | DocScrutinizer: i want to try, i just can't connect with usb anymore |
| 19:57.45 | slaxxer | i was wrong its 090609 |
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| 19:58.08 | uhsf | i use the same commands as i used before but it doesn't work anymore |
| 19:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: for dfu-util you won't need usb |
| 19:58.16 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 19:58.19 | max_posedon | uhsf, update neo's kerne, and flash what all suggest yoj |
| 19:58.39 | slaxxer | top of the list there |
| 19:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: see channel topic |
| 19:59.12 | slaxxer | an quit whinning |
| 19:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: aah, and btw: you noticed host side (PC) now usually is called ethX instead of USB0? |
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| 20:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: ask twice in #openmoko-cdevel before doing "opkg upgrade" ;-D |
| 20:01.20 | uhsf | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 20:01.38 | slaxxer | reflash as indicated |
| 20:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: DFU-UTIL |
| 20:03.08 | Stroller | Hi, there. I've got a early GTA02 - from the first shipment - and it's never been updated. Are there any gotyas about installing SHR? I'm wondering if I need a new bootloader or anything? |
| 20:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | no issues Stroller |
| 20:03.40 | slaxxer | doc likes u-boot but i use Qi |
| 20:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: he *can* update to Qi any time he likes |
| 20:04.18 | slaxxer | yup |
| 20:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | but for a first start he surely should cling to uBoot |
| 20:04.42 | uhsf | it's mostly frustrating because it's my only phone and i won't receive calls until this is fixed |
| 20:04.43 | slaxxer | why? |
| 20:04.54 | slaxxer | fixit |
| 20:04.54 | Stroller | So I just install the SHR image (version as per /topic) using dfu-util ? |
| 20:05.00 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | Stroller: exactly. rootfs and kernel |
| 20:05.34 | uhsf | i don't think i'm gonna use shr again. i will try android instead |
| 20:05.45 | slaxxer | :) |
| 20:05.55 | slaxxer | u mess up |
| 20:06.09 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer: TY |
| 20:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | Stroller: then do me a favour and tell uhsf how to do that ;-P |
| 20:06.28 | Stroller | What? |
| 20:06.33 | Stroller | oh, lol |
| 20:06.34 | Stroller | I see |
| 20:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | flash SHR |
| 20:06.45 | slaxxer | flash SHR |
| 20:07.12 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer: there must be a much newer bootloader than my one, though, eh? IIRC the early bootloader wouldn't allow you to power up if you had a flat battery |
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| 20:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | Stroller: the other way round... New uBoot is borked ;-P |
| 20:09.16 | Stroller | Uh, really? |
| 20:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:09.21 | slaxxer | why? |
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| 20:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | they messed it up during efforts to make it 100mA-USB compliant |
| 20:10.24 | slaxxer | well they could trash it |
| 20:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | so now it either doesn't do anything on boot (without bat), or starts flashing the aux led and sucking bat to absolute death XD |
| 20:11.29 | slaxxer | so use Qi for now |
| 20:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:11.40 | slaxxer | or an older uboot |
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| 20:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: eventually you should use a newer uBoot as there were some fixes to handthru the wake reason |
| 20:12.19 | slaxxer | doc whats so bad about Qi anyways? |
| 20:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | if booting fails, you always can resort to NOR-uboot which is still fine ;-) |
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| 20:13.49 | Stroller | Well, thanks for leaving me completely bamboozled, lads |
| 20:13.50 | Stroller | :P |
| 20:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | btw it took me quite a while from suggesting to boot via NOR on flat bat (which zillion of users reported "works for me") until I really understood what's wrong |
| 20:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: nothing bad, but no much good either |
| 20:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | Qi missing bootmenu |
| 20:14.46 | slaxxer | :) |
| 20:15.22 | slaxxer | what good is it |
| 20:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | Stroller: simply don't care about bootloader for now |
| 20:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | in a few days come back here and report your findings |
| 20:15.31 | Stroller | lol, ok, DocScrutinizer |
| 20:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | Stroller: then we'll talk you thru next step (whatever that step might be then) |
| 20:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-09-28 22:12:14] <DocScrutinizer> slaxxer: eventually you should use a newer uBoot |
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| 20:17.33 | Stroller | TY |
| 20:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | s/slaxxer/stroller/ |
| 20:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
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| 20:18.40 | Stroller | And I should use SHR images from bearstech, not build.shr-project.org/ ? |
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| 20:20.45 | slaxxer | no |
| 20:20.58 | slaxxer | i dont think so |
| 20:21.35 | Stroller | That's what it says as "recommended SHR" in the /topic |
| 20:21.43 | Stroller | Although TBH I think they're both the same |
| 20:22.20 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 20:22.23 | Stroller | Yeah, they are |
| 20:25.13 | Stroller | Ok... so I should use the 8th August rootfs, which kernel? |
| 20:25.44 | PaulFertser | mjr: Hey :D can you tell me if there exists a chinese bash (bash.org-like)? |
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| 20:26.57 | mjr | what, who, me? |
| 20:28.42 | PaulFertser | mjr: yes |
| 20:28.50 | PaulFertser | mjr: oh |
| 20:29.01 | Stroller | It would probably be full of things like "the secret police have redacted this comment", except in kanji |
| 20:29.02 | PaulFertser | mjr: you must be somebody else, sorry ;) |
| 20:34.04 | ndnihil | hrm, anyone tried AoE on the FR? |
| 20:42.10 | Zorkman | age of empires? :) |
| 20:42.28 | ndnihil | heh no |
| 20:42.31 | ndnihil | ATA over Ethernet |
| 20:42.33 | ndnihil | :) |
| 20:46.12 | max_posedon | linux kernel has classic Networld Block Device |
| 20:46.19 | max_posedon | you speak about this? |
| 20:46.30 | ndnihil | nope, AoE specifically |
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| 20:54.34 | uhsf | i finally connected to shr with usb. since i logged out and in again what was the suggestion to repair broken theme from shr-settings? |
| 20:55.03 | uhsf | there was rm ~/.e and what was the other one? |
| 20:55.48 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: hey |
| 20:55.56 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: do you know what i'm going to ask? |
| 20:55.57 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 20:57.40 | max_posedon | about ubifs? I still haven't did any tests |
| 20:59.15 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: what is the reason? Still some wrong parameter or just lack of time? |
| 20:59.22 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i mean do you need any help? |
| 20:59.45 | max_posedon | time mainly, also smth wrong with my rootfs now |
| 20:59.56 | max_posedon | it can't boot from Qi, only from uboot |
| 21:00.09 | max_posedon | (and even from uboot 1 time from 3 tries) |
| 21:00.17 | max_posedon | cpu stall message at boot |
| 21:02.46 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: hm, rcu stall is something i saw |
| 21:03.06 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: strange. Are you booting from SD? |
| 21:03.06 | max_posedon | yes, exactly may message |
| 21:03.20 | max_posedon | none, from nand |
| 21:03.31 | uhsf | can someone please scroll up a few minutes ago and paste back what lindi- or i don't remember who else told me to do to reset shr theme? |
| 21:03.58 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: Qi doesn't always agree about bad blocks as seen by the kernel e.g. In fact i can't boot gta01 with qi most probably because of that. |
| 21:04.45 | PaulFertser | 22:50 < dos1> ELM_THEME=default ELM_FINGER_SIZE=70 shr-settings |
| 21:04.58 | PaulFertser | uhsf: ^^ |
| 21:06.28 | uhsf | PaulFertser: ty, was there any other line that tells where these files are located? |
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| 21:08.32 | PaulFertser | 22:50 < dos1> uhsf: just edit /etc/profile.d/elementary |
| 21:09.41 | uhsf | ty, unfortunately /etc/profile.d/elementary doesn't exist on my shr |
| 21:09.53 | Stroller | When flashing SHR with dfu-util, it's the .jffs2 file I want, right? |
| 21:11.36 | PaulFertser | Stroller: right |
| 21:11.41 | PaulFertser | Stroller: and kernel |
| 21:11.42 | Stroller | TY |
| 21:11.48 | Stroller | Yup, got that |
| 21:11.52 | Stroller | Ok... so I should use the 8th August rootfs, which kernel? |
| 21:13.37 | PaulFertser | Stroller: the latest in the same dir |
| 21:13.55 | Stroller | TY |
| 21:13.56 | Stroller | :) |
| 21:20.43 | uhsf | how to restart x from ssh usb connection? |
| 21:21.05 | ndnihil | init scripts |
| 21:21.09 | ndnihil | like everywhere else |
| 21:21.25 | ndnihil | s/like everywhere else/like other linux systems/ |
| 21:21.30 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 21:21.53 | Stroller | Darn, you guys keep beating me to the punchlines! |
| 21:22.54 | uhsf | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 21:23.02 | ndnihil | yup |
| 21:23.27 | uhsf | it's still on broken shr theme. how to change this broken theme? |
| 21:26.11 | uhsf | how to trigger that stupid "wrench" thing if i can't see it? |
| 21:26.16 | slaxxer | uhsf did u flash the latest shr-unstable? |
| 21:26.38 | slaxxer | if not why not? |
| 21:27.03 | uhsf | it would be so much simpler to just change the broken theme |
| 21:27.21 | PaulFertser | uhsf: why don't you rm -rf ~/.e? |
| 21:27.21 | uhsf | then i'm gonna switch to android when i have time |
| 21:27.41 | uhsf | i try this |
| 21:27.44 | slaxxer | whats it take 15 min ? |
| 21:28.14 | slaxxer | rm -rf ~/.e |
| 21:28.23 | PaulFertser | uhsf: android is not for hackers |
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| 21:28.52 | slaxxer | then restart |
| 21:30.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org:777/files/screwed_niebiee/illume.edj |
| 21:31.10 | slaxxer | u have been messing with this now for 2 hours |
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| 21:32.09 | uhsf | yes but now it's solved |
| 21:32.21 | slaxxer | great what u do |
| 21:32.45 | slaxxer | rebooted?:) |
| 21:33.18 | uhsf | i rm -rf ~/.e and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 21:33.35 | uhsf | my biggest problem was not to be able to connect with usb |
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| 21:34.10 | uhsf | i think my desktop system is missing some configuration but my portable connected fine |
| 21:34.26 | slaxxer | so how long does suspend take to come up |
| 21:35.02 | uhsf | what do you mean? |
| 21:35.27 | slaxxer | suspend the phone then unsuspend an time it |
| 21:35.44 | slaxxer | how long 2 seconds? |
| 21:35.56 | slaxxer | or 12 seconds? |
| 21:36.58 | uhsf | it seems to take about forever |
| 21:37.31 | slaxxer | THATS WHY ui need a september .jffs2 an a new kernel |
| 21:37.50 | slaxxer | an im not lying |
| 21:38.01 | Daramarak | is there a good stopwatch app for shr? |
| 21:38.23 | uhsf | you totally froze my shr with your suspend thing i never use that anyway i'll have to reboot now |
| 21:38.34 | slaxxer | :(9 |
| 21:38.44 | slaxxer | ok im done |
| 21:39.13 | Stroller | slaxxer: the topic says an August .jffs2 !?!? |
| 21:39.29 | slaxxer | well step on up to the latest |
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| 21:39.43 | slaxxer | it wont hurt |
| 21:40.03 | slaxxer | the augest will work also |
| 21:40.04 | uhsf | so android is "not for hackers"? |
| 21:40.24 | uhsf | what about maemo and webos? |
| 21:40.27 | Stroller | New install of SHR: it boots up and asks to select a profile. lllume or Illume-SHR ? |
| 21:40.41 | slaxxer | shr |
| 21:40.48 | uhsf | i just chose illume-shr |
| 21:41.00 | slaxxer | so u dont have missing icons |
| 21:41.07 | PaulFertser | uhsf: maemo is not free even |
| 21:41.14 | PaulFertser | uhsf: webos is some questionable shit afaik |
| 21:42.17 | slaxxer | what i want on shr is a black keyboard with white or green letters like Bytestore had months ago |
| 21:42.37 | slaxxer | that was easy on my eyes |
| 21:42.46 | uhsf | so the only option for you is shr. |
| 21:42.52 | slaxxer | no |
| 21:43.10 | slaxxer | i have installed all of them many times |
| 21:43.24 | slaxxer | except webos |
| 21:43.58 | slaxxer | but the community has spoken that shr is the best |
| 21:44.35 | slaxxer | i belive thats correct as of right now |
| 21:44.50 | panicking | slaxxer, try the last android :), we are working on it |
| 21:45.13 | slaxxer | they want to put development in more of 1 dirrection |
| 21:45.22 | slaxxer | ok i will |
| 21:46.46 | slaxxer | is there a .jffs2 file for that/ |
| 21:46.50 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, maemo is free, just n[8,9]x0 not free, |
| 21:47.23 | max_posedon | webos is not free, just because sources of their "UI stuff not avaible at all" |
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| 21:47.49 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: well, mer is useless for end-users on all devices afaik. You can call it free. |
| 21:47.58 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: I don't care much about the UI parts not being free if the underlying important stuff is free |
| 21:48.12 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: then I can hopefuly get FSO in it :) |
| 21:48.16 | max_posedon | [Rui]__, they wrong new "X server" |
| 21:48.20 | max_posedon | *wrote* |
| 21:48.34 | max_posedon | without "X stuff" webos just OE |
| 21:48.47 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: webos is OE as well? |
| 21:48.54 | max_posedon | yes |
| 21:49.15 | max_posedon | but their main interested stuff/feature - "Web X server" |
| 21:49.21 | [Rui]__ | ah interesting |
| 21:49.21 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: is anything known about the drivers? |
| 21:49.24 | [Rui]__ | shrugs |
| 21:49.31 | max_posedon | I don't know anything |
| 21:49.56 | [Rui]__ | what I'd like is to have some expectancy of a Free phone if my Freerunner breaks :) |
| 21:50.12 | panicking | slaxxer, http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ |
| 21:50.16 | panicking | this is the project |
| 21:50.29 | panicking | wait tomorrow or two days for the new release |
| 21:50.31 | max_posedon | if freerunner breaks, its good buy new freerunner |
| 21:50.49 | panicking | we are fixing some issue related to USSUD |
| 21:50.51 | panicking | message |
| 21:51.43 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: not fully sure there'll be one if it happens |
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| 21:51.59 | [Rui]__ | it seems the parts are running low |
| 21:52.29 | [Rui]__ | and the hardware is a but on the underpowered side :) |
| 21:53.10 | Daramarak | Wouldn't core be an alternative. |
| 21:53.47 | max_posedon | I'm just going have freerunner + touchbook, and its enough for my mobile usage. |
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| 21:54.13 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: it's so terribly slow |
| 21:54.22 | max_posedon | what? |
| 21:54.26 | max_posedon | UI? who cares? |
| 21:54.42 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: as I use it as a phone, I care. |
| 21:54.45 | max_posedon | (and even ui can be fast if you try tweek is) |
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| 21:54.58 | max_posedon | *it* |
| 21:55.28 | max_posedon | I care too, but I think freerunner isn't so slow |
| 21:55.52 | max_posedon | just some programmer skill required to make it fast |
| 21:56.08 | max_posedon | for example, nobody still use thumb1 instruction sets |
| 21:56.10 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: if it can be fast, then why isn't so? :) |
| 21:56.32 | max_posedon | panicking, or android use thumb1? (I don't know android status) |
| 21:57.05 | max_posedon | [Rui]__, because it requires time, move fso to vala, get xorg-videl-glamo working (kms,drm,etc) |
| 21:57.16 | max_posedon | `thumb-ing` packages, and so on |
| 21:57.32 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: that's not tweaking :) |
| 21:57.53 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: that's radical (and needed) change. |
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| 21:58.34 | [Rui]__ | and thumb1 instructions should be optimizations (on libraries) |
| 21:58.37 | max_posedon | under tweaking, I mean for example, begin use software_x16 render |
| 21:58.48 | max_posedon | switch e theme to some extream |
| 21:59.04 | max_posedon | (that-wellknown-green-theme) |
| 21:59.27 | Daramarak | max_posedon: Is illume stable under x16? |
| 21:59.33 | [Rui]__ | Daramarak: no |
| 21:59.45 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: yes, I am running with software x16 |
| 22:00.12 | max_posedon | Daramarak, I don't use x165 |
| 22:00.17 | max_posedon | *x16* |
| 22:00.41 | [Rui]__ | software_16 actually |
| 22:01.05 | [Rui]__ | but a few things crash e17 if you use software_16 |
| 22:01.20 | max_posedon | for example? |
| 22:01.38 | max_posedon | (may be same things crash e17 in software_32 or randr too) |
| 22:01.40 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: setting the background |
| 22:01.56 | [Rui]__ | most "look" things |
| 22:02.10 | max_posedon | also, about tweaking |
| 22:02.19 | max_posedon | disable ALL animations |
| 22:02.25 | max_posedon | and set fps rate to 15 |
| 22:02.33 | max_posedon | also gives much improvments |
| 22:02.37 | [Rui]__ | I need to change into software before doing anything |
| 22:04.19 | Daramarak | To bad one have to choose between a decent look and a snappy interface. |
| 22:05.01 | [Rui]__ | just tried fps rate at 15 fps, and it still looks nice |
| 22:05.18 | [Rui]__ | but it's not the animations that make it slow |
| 22:05.19 | max_posedon | try 10 |
| 22:05.37 | [Rui]__ | it's loading any freaking thing that's butt slow |
| 22:05.47 | max_posedon | find minimal value, with which you happy) |
| 22:05.59 | max_posedon | yes, loading apps during start to slow |
| 22:06.22 | max_posedon | so, this is main reason why people like shr-launcher, qtextended, android |
| 22:06.38 | max_posedon | they don't do this heavy stuff |
| 22:06.45 | uhsf | the point is not exactly that i want to go with maemo or android or webos but i also want to solve important usability issues i always experienced with the freerunner like no physical kbd and no 3.5mm audio jack so i might have to switch to whatever comes first in unlocked gsm form between android, palm pre, or nokia n900. |
| 22:07.35 | [Rui]__ | uhsf: you can replace my freerunner with an android or n900 from my cold dead hands, buster! |
| 22:07.40 | panicking | max_posedon, >From bionic/libc/arch-arm/include/machine/cpu-features.h: |
| 22:07.40 | panicking | # elif defined __ARM_ARCH_4__ |
| 22:07.41 | panicking | # error ARMv4 is not supported, please use ARMv4T at a minimum |
| 22:07.43 | panicking | # else |
| 22:08.01 | SpeedEvil | Why do you object to n900 - wondering |
| 22:08.09 | [Rui]__ | :) |
| 22:08.15 | uhsf | in that sense if shr doesn't find it's place on other hardware it will get irrelevant and obsolete |
| 22:08.55 | uhsf | we have to consider fr is discontinued |
| 22:12.19 | [Rui]__ | SpeedEvil: because you need proprietary drivers |
| 22:12.27 | [Rui]__ | SpeedEvil: I don't mind not running the fancy proprietary Nokia stuff, but I do mind the proprietary drivers |
| 22:12.41 | uhsf | another important point is fr very poor sound during calls, it will never get solved and whenever i pass my phone to someone else they always get mad at the thing |
| 22:12.47 | Daramarak | For my part I have gotten the taste for Free now, I am never turning back. |
| 22:13.11 | max_posedon | btw, did anybody get n900?) |
| 22:13.20 | SpeedEvil | [Rui]__: AIUI there is very little unfree - the battery charging is all that comes to mind. There are significant UI elements that are nonfree |
| 22:13.22 | max_posedon | e.g. from where you know, how much it closed? |
| 22:13.30 | [Rui]__ | SpeedEvil: X driver |
| 22:13.40 | uhsf | n900 comes out only end october |
| 22:13.43 | [Rui]__ | calling |
| 22:13.49 | max_posedon | [Rui]__, omap-fb? |
| 22:13.55 | Stroller | Hey, guys, which SHR image should I be using please? The topic says 20090808, but that seems to only be available in lite? |
| 22:14.03 | Stroller | wants pidgin |
| 22:14.08 | max_posedon | n900 - omap device |
| 22:14.08 | SpeedEvil | AIUI calling is simply a AT modem |
| 22:14.09 | max_posedon | it have open X drivers |
| 22:14.11 | SpeedEvil | but I've not looked that closely |
| 22:14.24 | max_posedon | but n900 maybe have closed lib opengles |
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| 22:14.52 | max_posedon | and mesa still don't have opengles backend (as I know) |
| 22:15.17 | uhsf | android, maemo, webos are not that much more free to me than shr. taking usability into account they pretty much all come out equal. |
| 22:15.31 | SpeedEvil | is regrettably unlikely to be getting any new phone soon. |
| 22:15.32 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:16.08 | Daramarak | Stroller: Use lite, and opkg install pidgin |
| 22:16.20 | Stroller | ok |
| 22:16.23 | uhsf | i also don't have the money for another 500$ phone but it's just necessary in my situation |
| 22:16.47 | SpeedEvil | $500 - where? :) |
| 22:16.49 | Stroller | Is there anything else I'm recommended to grab for like a normal install? For imap email & a browser? |
| 22:17.00 | SpeedEvil | It is expensive. |
| 22:17.22 | Daramarak | Stroller: Midori is ok as an browser |
| 22:18.38 | [Rui]__ | max_posedon: what's the current status? |
| 22:18.47 | tschaka | uhsf try qtmoko. |
| 22:18.59 | max_posedon | [Rui]__, current status of? |
| 22:19.28 | [Rui]__ | omapfb |
| 22:20.13 | max_posedon | I don't know much, since I don't have any device based on it |
| 22:22.19 | Stroller | Ok, sorry... next question.... how do I connect to wifi, please? I go into Settings > Connectivity & I find a switch to turn wifi on, but I can't find anywhere to enter a SSID &c |
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| 22:22.50 | Daramarak | Stroller: install mokonnect or Nwa |
| 22:23.46 | slaxxer | makin it hard on yourself eh? |
| 22:24.04 | Stroller | Bah! |
| 22:25.50 | [Rui]__ | Daramarak: mokonnect never worked with me, and hasn't yet ever (using shr-u, latest upgrades). |
| 22:26.29 | [Rui]__ | I fscking triple dare people to explain why it won't work. |
| 22:27.00 | Daramarak | [Rui]__: I have been having problems with it too, but other seems satisfied. I swear to Nwa, it seldom fails. |
| 22:27.26 | [Rui]__ | Daramarak: I'm sure others have made changes they are not aware |
| 22:28.53 | [Rui]__ | sleep, now... good night all |
| 22:29.03 | Daramarak | [Rui]__: night |
| 22:30.38 | Daramarak | I get notified about having to delete messages. Shouldn't the shr sms application store the messages outside of the sim? |
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| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | uhsf: please stop stating assumptions out of the blue as facts: "s fr very poor sound during calls, it will never get solved" If you want to state things like that, I ask for verbose explanation on where you think you can proove that's true :-( |
| 23:04.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | uhsf: N900 is shipped 2009.10.12 according to Nokia webshop and hotline |
| 23:10.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: 88-full was removed due tu some issue of unknown-to-me nature. Install lite and do "opkg install" whatever you miss in lite |
| 23:11.31 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer-8: thanks, bud. I found the instructions on the wiki "SHR User Manual" page |
| 23:11.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: 2009-09-06 allegedly is ok too. Not tested by me though |
| 23:11.51 | Stroller | TY |
| 23:12.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | YW |
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| 23:17.10 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer-8: I think it was you who advised me about the flashing earlier? It went very smoothly, thank you |
| 23:17.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | np |
| 23:17.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | :-) |
| 23:17.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | enjoy SHR |
| 23:17.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | don't upgrade! ;-) |
| 23:17.43 | Stroller | :) |
| 23:17.47 | Stroller | It seems quite nice |
| 23:17.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ...without asking if it's safe |
| 23:18.35 | Stroller | Ummm... I used opkg upgrade already |
| 23:18.35 | Stroller | :/ |
| 23:19.11 | Stroller | Was that a bad thing to do? |
| 23:19.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, I'm not aware of todays upgrade mood ;-) |
| 23:19.28 | Stroller | lol |
| 23:19.30 | Stroller | Ok |
| 23:19.52 | Stroller | I can't quite get the hang of SHR - is the top bar supposed to be "clickable"? |
| 23:19.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: see, it's unstable. Means things change every 12h |
| 23:20.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 23:20.42 | Stroller | yeah, that figures. But it means that if `opkg upgrade` was a mistake, I may be able to correct it in 12 or 24h |
| 23:20.47 | Stroller | Hmmmn... ok. |
| 23:20.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | top bar should dropdown and show three buttons and a wrench for illume settings |
| 23:21.09 | Stroller | Ah! ok |
| 23:21.16 | Stroller | I meant the battery on the RHS |
| 23:21.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nope |
| 23:21.33 | Stroller | And there's something else next to it, like a pale circle |
| 23:21.35 | Stroller | Okies |
| 23:21.36 | Stroller | :) |
| 23:21.41 | Stroller | Also, you mentioned something about a later uBoot? |
| 23:21.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bat is hard to hit, and if you do, it shows charge % |
| 23:22.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: don't bother about uBoot for next 5 days |
| 23:22.41 | Stroller | Oh? There's a new releaser planned? |
| 23:22.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no |
| 23:23.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | but it will take you some days to get used to SHR usual behaviour |
| 23:23.27 | max_posedon | Stroller, they don't plan any release |
| 23:23.42 | max_posedon | but shr-steam going release non-working-xorg-image soon |
| 23:23.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and the "eeeew, Qi borked my GSM" msgs are really annoying |
| 23:24.19 | Stroller | lol, ok |
| 23:24.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: new uBoot won't buy you anything for now |
| 23:25.20 | Stroller | Ok, TY |
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| 23:26.25 | Stroller | I was kinda worried, because I'm sure there was this thing in the early days, where if your battery ran flat, you couldn't start the Freerunner. Not even with it on charge via USB. You needed to use a 3rd-party battery to jump-start it or something. And I thought an updated bootloader fixed that |
| 23:27.54 | max_posedon | bootloader can't help you with this |
| 23:27.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: nothing changed on that. Absolutely nothing ;-P |
| 23:28.08 | max_posedon | because problem was *before* starting bootloader |
| 23:28.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 23:28.26 | max_posedon | and now we have crazy solution how boot neo without battery at all |
| 23:28.34 | max_posedon | (works for near 97% of neos) |
| 23:29.06 | max_posedon | so empty battery not problem at all |
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| 23:29.33 | Stroller | Ok, ty |
| 23:29.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | new uBoot will fix issues with booting from uSD, passing wake reason to kernel, etc. But won't help on gta02a5 not booting with(out/flat) bat |
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| 23:30.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: iirc you FR is first charge? |
| 23:31.05 | Stroller | Nope... I got it as part of the first shipment.... decided not to use it until I sold my existing phone... as an incentive to get that sold... then forgot about it |
| 23:31.08 | Stroller | blushes |
| 23:31.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | You should try to boot to nor uboot menu, without bat, with OM wallcharger |
| 23:31.34 | Stroller | So it has like an update in the first week or two, then stayed unused |
| 23:32.19 | Stroller | I left it with the battery fully charged for like a year... so I think that's not the best way to store the battery, but it's started ok, & is running fine off USB power at the moment |
| 23:32.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | s/first charge/early revision/ |
| 23:33.09 | Stroller | Oh, yeah |
| 23:33.22 | Stroller | I thought I'd try updating it & see if it has the buzz. |
| 23:33.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: if you can get screen without bat, you have no problem. Otherwise nothing will fix your problem |
| 23:33.36 | Stroller | Then I'll prolly send it off to Germany for the buzz-fix, anyway |
| 23:34.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: remove bat, plug wallcharger. hold aux, press power -> hope for bootloader menu |
| 23:35.16 | Stroller | Ok, I'll try that later |
| 23:35.22 | Stroller | I think I have a wallcharger |
| 23:35.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | if no reaction, then make sure you always have a spare bat |
| 23:35.53 | Stroller | I wish `opkg install` gave you a counter ... like 1 of xx or whateevr |
| 23:37.08 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: lol. same here |
| 23:37.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | opkg is a pita |
| 23:38.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: you probably should upgrade your modem firmware |
| 23:38.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | follow uSD-method instructions on wiki GSM_flashing page. It's simple, it's almost fun |
| 23:41.40 | Stroller | Ta, that looks easy enough |
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| 23:42.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: thanks :-) pleased to hear that |
| 23:46.24 | Stroller | Oh, I keep getting a lot of Enlightenment Errors, with f1 or f2 option boxes .... could this just be because I don't have a SIM card in? |
| 23:46.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nope |
| 23:47.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shouldn't happen |
| 23:47.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | might be due to upgrade :-P |
| 23:47.41 | Stroller | lol |
| 23:47.47 | Stroller | No, started before that |
| 23:48.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, strange |
| 23:49.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you selected theme illume-shr? |
| 23:49.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | on first boot? |
| 23:49.20 | Stroller | Yes |
| 23:49.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no idea then. never heard this |
| 23:49.49 | Stroller | Next question: what's the thing next to the battery in the top bar, next to the battery. Looks like a white circle - it's hard to see on the grey background - and it's half filled-in |
| 23:51.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, I changed my gadgets sequence. No such thing anywhere anyway. I seem to remeber the illume quickstarter menu has such an icon |
| 23:52.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | there should be no quickstarter though. Just bat, GSM-signal, digital-clock |
| 23:53.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and the two arrows to switch windows |
| 23:53.54 | Stroller | i guess it might be GSM signal, huh? |
| 23:54.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | maybe. it's quite near to invisible without SIM |
| 23:55.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I think there should be a writing "SOS only" or "no signal" associated to that gadget |
| 23:55.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | notice you can drag the gadgets to sort them |
| 23:56.28 | Stroller | There's a "no service" - maybe the icon's invisible when GSM is in |
| 23:57.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, I have to admit I didn't test without SIM for a long time. Dunno |
