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02:00.35DocScrutinizerheh, so much traffic n this channel
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02:22.09DocScrutinizer-8damn, the vanishing flag-file not only gave me firstboot-screens... it also messed my carefully selected sorting og illume bar gadgets
02:22.25DocScrutinizer-8weeiiiiird
02:23.18DocScrutinizer-8should start a e3fsck
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06:06.11brolinIs there any way to "apt-get install openoffice.org" on QtMoko installed on my FR's onboard NAND instead of on a uSD card?
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06:12.26Psistrange bug (shr-unstable) got a message and the message mp3 got stuck in a loop playing continuiously
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06:26.24PaulFertserbrolin: i'd suggest you try one of the lighter alternatives to oo.o. To view text "documents" abiword is much easier to use on FR. And if you need microsoft word support you can also try wv library to convert doc to text.
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06:39.11PaulFertserbrolin: to answer your question i can say it's not generally possible unless you want to run it in chroot or to make some creative symlink or to just manually unpack it wherever you want.
06:40.16dns53abiword works fine
06:44.56PaulFertserdns53: it all depends on the purpose. If you want to create good documents, you can just use vim and latex. And if you need to view some shit-letter in ms word format, wv usually does the job ok.
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06:46.45dns53it's in the installed but i probably have no use for it category
07:07.36brolinPaulFertser: I wanted to use OOo Base on my FR.
07:09.16PaulFertserbrolin: FR is quite a constrained device. Using OOo even on all my desktops and laptop is painful.
07:09.49PaulFertserbrolin: moreover i'm yet to see a decent usecase for using OOo in general, except for when you're forced to view/edit mso documents.
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07:12.53brolinPaulFertser: I use OOo Base for my contacts.odb evolution of my electronic address book.
07:13.03dns53brolin what are you doing that you need ooo base?
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07:40.46Psidoes anyone feel that the gta01/02 could be better if it supported higher screen resolutions than the native 480x640 and just scaled them down to fit
07:41.08Psiie, 600x800 and 768x1024
07:42.31Psiwould be useful for webpages
07:50.36[Rui]Psi: a faster cpu would be more useful for webpages
07:50.57Psii dunno, i find the fact nothing fits more annoying than the speed
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07:56.30doc|homePsi: it's possible, would require resampling of the rendering of the page which requires CPU. That's what the iphone does for example
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08:08.52PaulFertserPsi: i guess it would be better to fix webpages... :-/
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08:24.47HeinervdmPsi: webkit supports zooming the whole page including images
08:26.37Psiah, is that why midori kept zooming in/out on different pages
08:27.01Psiwas quite annoying
08:27.16Heinervdmdon't know, didn't try zoom in Midori
08:27.27Psineither did it
08:27.32Psiit just did it on some pages
08:27.46Psiit=I
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12:32.38CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5930ed552ea2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: GenericDomain: fix unicode problems in make_comp_value
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12:49.42CIA-44freesmartphone.org: opimd: add VCard-Contacts backend
12:49.42CIA-44freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1@gmail.com>
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14:33.37CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r62dd3bda7eea 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: Merge commit 'origin/dos/opimd-tracking' into dos/opimd-tracking
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14:58.01Elleosomeone could really do with setting +t
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15:01.57Elleomickey_away / joerg_42: any chance you could set +t since you seem to be on the channel access list?
15:03.48joerg_42Elleo: not intended. That troll will vanish in a moment
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15:05.35Elleookay
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15:27.30SchorhrHi, can anyone help a newbie with a push in the right direction? I'dd like to install sane on my openmoko Freerunner (using shr)
15:31.50DocScrutinizerSchorhr: download the correct files like mentioned in channel-topic, and use dfu-util to flash them to your device. That's all
15:33.04DocScrutinizerSchorhr: or do you want to install scanner-access-now-easy?? o.O
15:34.58DocScrutinizerSchorhr: that wouldn't exactly be a newbie task ;-)
15:35.06SchorhrDocScrutinizer: Correct :-) I just recieved a "TravelScan 464"
15:35.25SchorhrIndeed. But all I really need is sane, not even any gui.
15:35.49SchorhrRandom Pic: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/34504368_c6b526a2cc.jpg?v=0
15:36.02DocScrutinizerSchorhr: still you need to compile it for the destination-platform (ARM
15:36.04DocScrutinizer)
15:36.32SchorhrI was afraid I'dd get an answer like that after I was unable to find it on opkg
15:36.54DocScrutinizerSchorhr: I recommend you /join #openmoko-cdevel and ask e.g. mrmoku about that
15:37.26SchorhrThank you for the quick help. I'll do that
15:37.34DocScrutinizerwelcme :)
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16:00.23SchorhrIn about a week I'll recieve my Freerunner case extension (printed at shapeways) :-) I hope it will fit and does not break
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16:12.39DocScrutinizerwooow
16:12.57DocScrutinizerSchorhr: don't miss to post fotofootage
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16:29.42SchorhrDocScrutinizer: I will :-) Though you can see photos of it allready at http://openmokast.org/pictures.html
16:30.05SchorhrThough I printed it in another material that seems to be more rigid (and cheaper!)
16:30.50SchorhrIf all goes well I'll modify the case to make it thinner+cheaper, though $16 for the case is not too bad, and it will enable me to increase the batery runtime
16:31.39SpeedEvilUSB DAB?
16:31.52SpeedEvilOh - not UK
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16:32.38SpeedEvilI want a USB DAB - digital audio broadcasting - but nobody makes htem.
16:32.51SpeedEvilThere was one - that melted a lot - by psion - and none since
16:35.20SpeedEvilhttp://www.b3tards.com/u/347704ecc2d8903e64fc/tubagirl.gif - completely irrelevant - and worksafe.
16:36.14DocScrutinizerSchorhr: wow!! Awesome
16:37.09SchorhrSpeedEvil: I do not know much about DAB, just saw the case (and the cad file) :-)
16:37.41SchorhrJust the scanner remains a unsolved problem. Too bad.
16:38.20DocScrutinizerSchorhr: give mrmoku a little more time
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16:42.38SchorhrOh, so mrmoku is still at the task? I interpreted that "needs a closer look" means "can't do it" :-)
16:43.07Schorhr(Sorry for replying so slow, cooking supper at the moment :-) )
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16:48.17DocScrutinizer-8Schorhr: I'm not sure about what he plans wrt sane and libgphoto
16:50.16SchorhrWell, I'm clueless :-) I just hope it is possible, it would be great if I could scan on the go witout my old weak battery-laptop
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18:31.01cz_jchello ^^
18:31.13cz_jcis it possible to hide the dictionary/layout top bar from illume keyboard ?
18:37.13PaulFertsercz_jc: with tweak of the theme, yes
18:37.27PaulFertsercz_jc: use edje_decc to decompile it
18:37.48cz_jcPaulFertser, you know how? could you add it to wiki? pretty please :)
18:38.55PaulFertsercz_jc: i know the theory. Have never tried. Should be fairly simple (to remove the topbar altogether).
18:38.59DocScrutinizer-8PaulFertser: cz_jc: dos1 and me have been there and got lost in edj chaos
18:39.54cz_jcDocScrutinizer-8, thats not too hard to imagine :P
18:40.01PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: wanna me to lost there too? ;)
18:40.07DocScrutinizer-8raster told same as you, but never gave additional help
18:40.07PaulFertsers/lost/get lost/
18:40.28brolinSpeedEvil: I read that filename as "tub a girl", like tubgirl, instead of "tuba girl". :o
18:40.30PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: ok, let me try
18:42.16cz_jchaha as raster says in some ml post: 'change it yourself! its just text'
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18:42.22cz_jcsees no documentation
18:43.45dos1cz_jc: of course there is documentation
18:44.18cz_jcdos1, where ?
18:44.37PaulFertsercz_jc: google edje, there're some docs.
18:44.52PaulFertserI'm currently waiting for decompile to complete.
18:44.57cz_jcPaulFertser, I didn't mean edje, I meant illume keyboard in it entirety
18:45.03DocScrutinizer-8I got until ~line1500 where I found kbd-related stuff. But didn't get it what is headbar etc
18:45.20dos1cz_jc: illume keyboard theme is plain edje, nothing more
18:45.23PaulFertsercz_jc: there's cool description of the illume keyboard principles of operation on OM wiki.
18:45.34cz_jcI can (de)compile edje files on my phone too.. if you find out what to change, please tell me :)
18:46.55PaulFertserThat's what i do atm -- decompiling on phone.
18:47.01DocScrutinizer-8btw I was happy with as little as making hight of this bar smaller
18:47.04cz_jcPaulFertser, aah.. you're right.. link to that should be on E homepage :)
18:47.37cz_jcDocScrutinizer-8, if you knew how to make it even 1px small it'd be great :)
18:48.36DocScrutinizer-8yeah, *if* I knew where hight is encoded in that fsckng edje then probably any value is no problem
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18:51.42DocScrutinizer-8admittedly I had no docs back when. But even dos1 gave up on it, so I'm not eager to start a 2nd effort
18:52.13PaulFertserI bet dos1 didn't give up, he rather postponed it due to more pressing issues or just being lazy ;)
18:52.16dos1DocScrutinizer-8: that's not issue about not having docs
18:52.31dos1just default theme is mess
18:52.45dos1and there is no other illume theme which is not based on default
18:52.58DocScrutinizer-8a MESS, even raster thinks it is
18:53.10AntonTakk2hrm
18:53.30AntonTakk2about how many lines long is the illume theme?
18:53.45DocScrutinizer-84k?
18:53.56dos1few k, yup
18:53.57AntonTakk2oh, that's not bad at all
18:54.09cz_jcbtw. since its an edje file, I won't be able to use the keyboard outside e ?
18:54.25AntonTakk2i started a custom e17 theme once, i hit like 8k lines and was nowhere near done
18:54.47dos1AntonTakk2: but that's only illume theme, which inherits from default
18:54.59AntonTakk2true
18:55.14dos1so complete theme would have much more lines
18:55.29AntonTakk2still, the 4k lines of illume theme would be nothing co clean up (comparitively)
18:55.37AntonTakk2to*
18:56.51DocScrutinizer-8raster said it would need breakup into separate files iirc
18:59.51AntonTakk2the question is, exactly how much of the default e theme does illume make use of?
19:00.28AntonTakk2of corse, that's the first part of cleaning up anything, split it up by function/etc
19:00.38AntonTakk2well, any code  :)
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19:13.02PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: i must admit it's tough
19:13.16DocScrutinizer-8yoh
19:13.21DocScrutinizer-8:D
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19:30.28wektI just noticed frameworkd with a UDP port open on the NTP port 123.  Is that .... intended? It seems strange.
19:33.15PaulFertserwekt: it listens for NTP replies there
19:33.22PaulFertserI guess ;)
19:39.05DocScrutinizer-8otimed?
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20:12.36PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: i give up for today
20:13.07DocScrutinizer-8PaulFertser: granted ;-D
20:13.25DocScrutinizer-8PaulFertser: really a mess, isn't it?
20:13.59PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: i'm not sure. Probably if i remembered edc syntax (esp. rel and offset) i'd have a chance to understand it.
20:14.36DocScrutinizer-8hmm, not according to dos1
20:15.53PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: he even named the file "kdb.edc" instead of kbd.edc. I'd not trust him talking about messes ;)
20:16.40DocScrutinizer-8)9)
20:16.44DocScrutinizer-8lol
20:18.11DocScrutinizer-8cya
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20:22.47pierre__hi
20:22.56PierreNhi
20:23.57PierreNi'm trying to upgrade my openmoko but : ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9)  ... and GSM is not working :( any idea how to solve this please ?
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20:28.28PierreNok :)
20:28.40PierreNand for the GSM not working ? :)
20:29.01DocScrutinizerno idea
20:29.17DocScrutinizerdo not upgrade ;-)
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20:30.51PierreNhuh ok and how to know which upgraded packages are blocking the gsm/how to downgrade them please ?
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20:43.45DocScrutinizerPierreN: there's been a netsplit. Dunno if you got all that...
20:43.45DocScrutinizerPierreN: a good question. /join #openmoko-cdevel and pester mrmoku / dos1 and the other SHR devels about it ;-)
20:43.45DocScrutinizer[2009-09-26 21:56:20] <GarthPS> @mrmoku : And more generaly were can we know what shr are doing  or what did they do? because at each time I upgrade I realy don't know if it is the good moment.
20:43.46DocScrutinizer[2009-09-26 21:56:43] <mrmoku> GarthPS: that is a good question :P
20:43.46DocScrutinizerPierreN: there's been a netsplit. Dunno if you got all that...
20:43.46DocScrutinizer[2009-09-26 22:42:27] <DocScrutinizer> ~logs
20:43.46DocScrutinizer[2009-09-26 22:42:28] <bzzbot> i guess logs is at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
20:45.59PierreNok so... i just have to wait. I just wanted to know if a lot of people who have upgraded theyr openmoko couldn't use the GSM ?
20:46.21DocScrutinizeratm seems a common problem.
20:47.05DocScrutinizerrestarting ophonekitd after boot seems to work around it (sometimes?)
20:49.11PierreNhum ok i'm going to reboot and try that
20:50.21DocScrutinizermaybe just start ophonekitd. No need to reboot?
20:51.29DocScrutinizerbye
20:53.50PierreNno i need to reboot
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20:58.37PierreNyep working after a reboot weird
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21:18.31CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r4a79a69aab70 10/lib/ (callmanager.cpp callmanager.h): callmanager: use contents of RING variable as unsolicited call notification call
21:18.32CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rb17bfc3910fb 10/lib/callmanager.cpp: callmanager: add \r\n command prefixes as per GSM spec
21:18.33CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rbf69408e9daa 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: fix incorrect specification for +GCAP
21:18.34CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r09fe01fd8397 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: set some more generic vandor info
21:18.36CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r668df49619f2 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: set SIM PIN
21:18.51CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r380b8d01abac 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
21:18.51CIA-44freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: experiment with a different way to instanciate mediators. This does not work currently due to some Vala async
21:18.51CIA-44freesmartphone.org: inheritance problems.
21:18.52CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7d3063388985 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (Makefile.am const.vala): fsogsmd: add FsoGsm.Constants class for converting between GSM-related datatypes
21:18.54CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd49d3928a003 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: prepare for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.ListProviders() implementation
21:18.57CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re05c5817fab7 10/fsogsmd/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: fix +COPS=? to recognize the optional access technology field
21:19.00CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rba5d33e1f042 10/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/modem.vala plugins/gsm_device/plugin.vala):
21:19.03CIA-44freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem: use generics to gather the proper type
21:19.05CIA-44freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This needs vala later than 15f806f611898953a859c393e363d532974c52bd
21:24.05PaulFertserDocMobilizer: I somehow managed to make it 1/2 the height of a single key. :-/
21:30.22CIA-44freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5a65c44af5b3 10/fsogsmd/ (configure.ac src/lib/atcommands.vala src/lib/modem.vala): fsogsmd: catch up with libgee 0.5.0; bump gee requirement
21:30.34DocMobilizerPaulFertser: hey great
21:31.54PaulFertserDocMobilizer: not really. Spent so much time not understanding a thing i'm doing :/ i'm sure any edje-literate dev can do what's needed in 15 min.
21:33.04DocMobilizeri bet. but become edj literate takes months
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21:46.03DocMobilizerPaulFertser: btw 1/2 keysize is outright perfect for me. could you publish?
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21:51.44PaulFertserDocMobilizer: crude inappropriate dirty hack, leaves about 1/4 of nonsense on top of the KB: http://paste.debian.net/47590/
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21:52.54DocMobilizerno pastbin for DocMobilizer please ;)
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21:53.27PaulFertserDocScrutinizer-8: http://paste.debian.net/47590/
21:53.34PaulFertserI doubt it's any better ;)
21:54.03DocMobilizernah, web is a pain
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21:54.19DocMobilizeron FR
21:54.59PaulFertserDocMobilizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/screwed_niebiee/illume-niebiee.edj
21:55.16PaulFertserAh, sorry
21:56.27PaulFertserDocMobilizer: now it works
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21:56.53PaulFertserE keeps themes in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes
21:57.26DocMobilizernot really. seems my anti-bb missed wget
21:57.44DocMobilizer'not a http://'
21:57.48PaulFertserDocMobilizer: http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org:777/files/screwed_niebiee/illume-niebiee.edj then
22:01.09DocMobilizerPaulFertser: opkg:downloading wget ;)
22:02.53PaulFertserDocMobilizer: and by nonsense i mean random pixels, it doesn't look good.
22:03.06DocMobilizerunsupported scheme - even with real wget
22:03.26DocMobilizeri dont care :)
22:03.47PaulFertserDocMobilizer: use :777 and http
22:05.59PaulFertserAt least i tried
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22:21.08DocScouch, framework borked
22:31.36DocScWTF?!
22:32.10PaulFertserhas really hoped that getting his hair wet will allow him to get rid of many big nasty seeds (capitulas of burdock) attached to it fairly easy. Apparently, he's wrong.
22:32.20PaulFertserHair conditioner helped a lot though.
22:33.48DocScPaulFertser: keep the file til I'm back home please
22:34.42PaulFertserDocSc: np, i'll keep it probably until my hdd dies
22:35.25PaulFertserThough it's ugly anyway. Probably i should have first reread the doc about EDC and then tried to hack on it...
22:37.42DocMobilizerPaulFertser: for me its perfect
22:40.40PaulFertserDocMobilizer: good night :)
22:41.53DocMobilizernight paul
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