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| 01:08.05 | rvs1st | hi cant access the http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
| 01:08.36 | rvs1st | whoops sorry |
| 01:11.08 | rvs1st | any problem in following Installation option 3: alternative procedure to install Qtopia on a microSD card if im going to use |
| 01:11.12 | rvs1st | SHR images |
| 01:11.40 | rvs1st | i got the uImage bin for gta02 and the full image for shr rootfs.jffs2 |
| 01:11.56 | rvs1st | seem when i boot it just give a blank screen? |
| 01:13.16 | rvs1st | anyone there? |
| 01:14.16 | rvs1st | i just got this message last line says please compile everything with -g in your Cflags |
| 01:18.51 | rvs1st | need stable image for SHR any advice |
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| 01:28.29 | slaxxer | MAYBE YOUR IMAGE IS BAD |
| 01:28.54 | slaxxer | DIDNT HANG AROUND |
| 01:28.59 | slaxxer | ok |
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| 07:30.14 | karora | Hi |
| 07:30.40 | karora | I'm running Debian on my OpenMoko, but I seem to have upgraded it to a point where X does not start any longer :-) |
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| 07:31.16 | karora | X will actually run fine if I just type in 'X', but I think I'm missing some package that would normally do that. |
| 07:31.32 | karora | On my laptop I'd run GDM, of course, but I'm not sure what people run for that sort of thing on the OpenMoko. |
| 07:31.36 | karora | Any recommendations? |
| 07:31.41 | Defiant | karora: so what happens when you start nodm? |
| 07:31.48 | karora | Aha. |
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| 07:31.59 | karora | nodm, is that what I should be looking for? |
| 07:32.07 | Defiant | karora: check the wiki |
| 07:32.57 | karora | OK. |
| 07:33.12 | karora | /etc/init.d/nodm does nothing, but just running nodm appears to start X. |
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| 07:45.12 | lindi- | karora: I use xdm |
| 07:46.06 | Defiant | lindi-: How do you type the login+pass? |
| 07:46.23 | Defiant | ...uhm you had a bt keyboard, right? |
| 07:46.45 | lindi- | Defiant: with xvkbd |
| 07:47.09 | lindi- | Defiant: I think everyone on openmoko uses on-screen keyboards anyway, right? |
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| 07:48.21 | Defiant | lindi-: ah, so you start xvkbd with nodm, ok. |
| 07:48.58 | lindi- | Defiant: no, xvkbd with xdm |
| 07:49.07 | lindi- | Defiant: that's documented in xvkbd documentation |
| 07:49.13 | Defiant | sorry mean that |
| 07:51.16 | karora | lindi-: Really? OK, that's curious. |
| 07:51.40 | karora | I suppose I should log into my phone before I use it, but it seems so wrong, somehow. |
| 07:52.00 | lindi- | karora: it's reliability measure |
| 07:52.20 | lindi- | karora: if I break something as my normal user I can always login as a fallback user instead |
| 07:52.23 | karora | Ah, OK, so when everything goes AWOL it goes back to XDM login, and you start again. |
| 07:52.35 | karora | Oh, right. |
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| 07:52.49 | lindi- | phone calls of course work without X at all here |
| 07:52.57 | karora | yes, true. |
| 07:53.01 | karora | As they should, I guess. |
| 07:53.08 | lindi- | I just use the AUX button to answer |
| 07:53.21 | karora | Yeah, I remember you telling me at Debconf9 |
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| 07:54.23 | lindi- | looks up group photo (I have terrible problem remembering people's faces) |
| 07:56.26 | lindi- | karora: btw, you can configure pam to not require you to type a password with xdm |
| 07:56.54 | lindi- | karora: that way you can login as your normal user by only typing username |
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| 07:57.57 | karora | True |
| 07:58.28 | ndnihil | I'm the one in the funny hat |
| 07:59.09 | ndnihil | any of you ever use maltego? |
| 07:59.30 | lindi- | ndnihil: funny hat? |
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| 07:59.42 | karora | Defiant: Curiously, a search on the wiki for 'nodm' returns 'no results' |
| 07:59.45 | ndnihil | it was a joke |
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| 08:00.11 | Daramarak | I can connect my FR to my Windows machine again. But with 40% package loss and 10822 avg round-trip time. |
| 08:00.40 | Defiant | karora: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian - also follow the link to the debian wiki |
| 08:00.41 | ndnihil | sounds right on par for windows |
| 08:01.22 | Defiant | ..but there is not much information there, utsl :) |
| 08:01.33 | Daramarak | ndnihil: yep :) |
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| 08:29.56 | karora | So if I just *run* nodm, I get a panel and stuff, but if I /etc/init.d/nodm nothing useful happens. Odd? |
| 08:30.49 | Defiant | karora: no output? Also check the source |
| 08:31.26 | lindi- | karora: a bug |
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| 08:31.35 | lindi- | karora: is nodm any good yet? |
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| 08:33.04 | karora | lindi-: Well, it would appear not for me, in any case. |
| 08:33.48 | Defiant | nodm works fine for my use cases |
| 08:34.01 | lindi- | karora: i'd file a bug report anyway |
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| 08:34.11 | lindi- | Defiant: last time i tried it consumed even more memory than xdm, has that been fixed? |
| 08:35.07 | Defiant | lindi-: Don't have any numbers right now, but might check this evenning |
| 08:35.19 | karora | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.20 | karora | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.20 | karora | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.37 | karora | I wonder what it is doing when it's started via init.d/nodm that means Xorg just dies. |
| 08:35.55 | lindi- | karora: strace? |
| 08:36.05 | karora | Yeah, might need to, I guess. |
| 08:36.51 | karora | How do you strace so it straces what gets started though? I'm not really a guru with strace, or even an initiate, to be honest. |
| 08:37.24 | lindi- | karora: strace -tt -o s -s256 -f /etc/init.d/nodm start |
| 08:37.32 | lindi- | karora: saves to file named "s" |
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| 08:42.00 | PaulFertser | lindi-: there was that funny update when SHR became available on Debian that broke starting X. |
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| 08:42.22 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i hard a hard times figuring the reason, it looks like nodm is not quite friendly if anything goes not as expected. |
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| 08:45.42 | karora | From the strace I see that "Unrecognized option: -nolisten tcp" |
| 08:45.42 | lindi- | PaulFertser: isn't shr a distro? how can it become vailable on debian? |
| 08:45.44 | karora | :-) |
| 08:45.50 | lindi- | karora: ha :) |
| 08:46.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: shr apps i meant |
| 08:46.23 | karora | So where is that option entering the equation, I wonder. |
| 08:46.49 | PaulFertser | karora: are you using kdrive==xglamo? If yes, i suggest you to stop. |
| 08:47.20 | PaulFertser | karora: because xorg driver for glamo is actively supported and works good and reliable. |
| 08:48.32 | karora | I thought I was using glamo, but maybe I am not. |
| 08:48.38 | karora | How can I tell? |
| 08:49.00 | PaulFertser | karora: if you don't know, install xorg and glamo driver for it. |
| 08:49.07 | PaulFertser | karora: are you debian user? |
| 08:49.12 | karora | Sure. |
| 08:49.14 | karora | :-) |
| 08:49.25 | twotwenty | whne someone tell me "can be found iirc" what are they meaning |
| 08:49.41 | PaulFertser | karora: then just do it! |
| 08:49.44 | karora | if I recall correctly. |
| 08:49.48 | Fox_Muldr | hi |
| 08:49.55 | twotwenty | ah |
| 08:50.06 | karora | PaulFertser: So I did apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-glamo or whatever. |
| 08:50.57 | karora | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.04 | karora | (II) Glamo: driver for glamo: Glamo |
| 08:51.04 | karora | (WW) Falling back to old probe method for Glamo |
| 08:51.04 | karora | ( |
| 08:51.08 | karora | E.g. |
| 08:51.33 | PaulFertser | karora: the question is if you're using xorg or not... |
| 08:51.55 | PaulFertser | karora: if you're using xorg, it should support -nolisten tcp, don't you think so? |
| 08:52.12 | karora | Ah, I see. |
| 08:52.27 | karora | Yep, I hadn't thought of thinking I was running a non-standard X server. |
| 08:53.20 | karora | I donxserver-xglamo |
| 08:53.31 | karora | 't seem to have xserver-xglamo installed. |
| 08:54.48 | karora | I kind of like the idea of an X that doesn't bother implementing enough that it needs a -nolisten tcp :-) |
| 08:56.13 | PaulFertser | karora: kdrive was deprecated for various reasons years ago, parts of its functionality was ported to xorg. Modern modular X.org is good enough even for relatively constrained devices. |
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| 09:00.11 | SpeedEvil | tries to work out hte smallest hardware he's run X on. |
| 09:00.30 | SpeedEvil | I think 486/25/8M |
| 09:01.04 | ndnihil | hah, same here |
| 09:01.09 | ndnihil | I still have the drive it was installed on |
| 09:01.16 | ndnihil | controller fried |
| 09:01.32 | twotwenty | I havent had a workign 486 to tr it on.. mine was p75 32 MB ram |
| 09:01.35 | ndnihil | 1.2.13 I think it was |
| 09:01.57 | ndnihil | a whopping 240M drive |
| 09:02.16 | ndnihil | I've now got mp3's larger than that |
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| 09:04.41 | ndnihil | I could load 16 copies of that entire drive into ram on this workstation, and still have enough left over to play enemy territory |
| 09:05.22 | SpeedEvil | I have 5 1.3" 20M drives |
| 09:05.37 | SpeedEvil | I need to plug them up to a USB converter sometime to see if they still work :) |
| 09:05.56 | ndnihil | this past summer I threw out a 3b1 |
| 09:06.08 | ndnihil | had the 40M HD upgrade |
| 09:06.30 | ndnihil | drive was about the size of a lunchbox |
| 09:06.33 | twotwenty | I threw away anything under 5 GBs last lear |
| 09:07.13 | ndnihil | it's scary, I've got about 9T of total storage here |
| 09:07.14 | SpeedEvil | I still have a couple of double height SCSI drives that I'm using as bookends. |
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| 09:09.14 | ndnihil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3B1 |
| 09:09.18 | ndnihil | I kinda wish I had kept it |
| 09:09.30 | ndnihil | but I was in one of those "shit has to go" kind of cleaning moods |
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| 09:09.45 | ndnihil | tossed out a ][c clone along with it |
| 09:10.05 | ndnihil | 80 column card applecat 300baud |
| 09:10.08 | ndnihil | it was pimped out |
| 09:10.30 | ndnihil | (I never found that copy of the original oregon trail I was hoping to find) |
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| 09:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah, with cyrrusLogic graca. Was a PITA to set up the X modelines |
| 09:13.25 | PaulFertser | Oh, i remember X modelines. I understood everything and could easily prepare a modeline based on information from my monitor's user manual. Also to convert between X modelines and fbset :) |
| 09:14.00 | SpeedEvil | I'm at the point of wondering how to change laptop modelines on an LCD swap |
| 09:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: try that with the fsckng cyruslogic chip! |
| 09:14.40 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i remember i had et6000 on my first X-capable PC. |
| 09:14.59 | PaulFertser | So it wasn't CL luckily. |
| 09:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: same here. now sis graca, and 768*1280, instead of the 800*1280 the display needs :-( |
| 09:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | moin btw |
| 09:17.03 | karora | PaulFertser: Pretty sure there's no kdrive running on here. I installed Debian on it some months ago (well, mid-July :-) and then upgraded and now nodm gives me this strange error. Or lack of error, really. |
| 09:17.21 | PaulFertser | karora: xglamo is kdrive |
| 09:17.46 | karora | OK, so that package (xserver-xglamo) is not installed. |
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| 09:39.16 | karora | So is the package xserver-xorg-video-glamo also kdrive, in some way? |
| 09:40.14 | lindi- | karora: no |
| 09:40.18 | lindi- | karora: it's normal Xorg driver. |
| 09:40.32 | karora | Strange. |
| 09:41.14 | karora | If I create an xorg.conf which says Driver "glamo" then it seems to use that driver, but doesn't accept the -nolisten tcp option |
| 09:43.12 | Heinervdm | karora: i'm using this xorg.conf: http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/openmoko/xorg.conf |
| 09:43.35 | Heinervdm | but haven't tried -nolisten tcp |
| 09:44.22 | karora | It's just that /etc/default/nodm has -nolisten tcp in the X options that it sets. |
| 09:44.35 | karora | So X doesn't start when the glamo driver is being used. |
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| 09:46.30 | lindi- | karora: does it start with xserver-xorg-video-fbdev driver? |
| 09:47.30 | karora | lindi-: Yes, it did. -nolisten tcp worked OK with that one. |
| 09:49.44 | lindi- | karora: very odd |
| 09:51.05 | Heinervdm | karora: ask Weiss about that, he can probaly fix that |
| 09:51.09 | lindi- | karora: in any case, file a bug, i'm sure Mirv is interested in this (he maintains the driver package in debian) |
| 09:51.30 | karora | OK. |
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| 12:52.14 | djp | are there settings in alsamixer that i should adjust when using my freerunner for listening to music via a media player like intone? |
| 12:52.58 | djp | i've adjusted bass filter to 100Hz @ 8kHz |
| 12:53.12 | djp | and cranked up bass to 15 |
| 12:53.28 | djp | as recommended in the wiki |
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| 13:00.28 | PaulFertser | djp: music? |
| 13:00.38 | PaulFertser | djp: without bass fix you won't gain quality with any settings. |
| 13:02.33 | djp | PaulFertser: is a bass fix ever liklely? |
| 13:02.45 | Defiant | djp: if you do it yourself yes |
| 13:03.10 | SpeedEvil | Or if you use external phones |
| 13:03.18 | PaulFertser | Bluetooth phones |
| 13:03.25 | SpeedEvil | Or that |
| 13:03.30 | SpeedEvil | I meant that. |
| 13:03.32 | djp | Defiant: hi. i see. so it's a hardware fix? |
| 13:03.38 | SpeedEvil | Or amplified phones - which are rare |
| 13:03.41 | SpeedEvil | djp: yes |
| 13:03.41 | PaulFertser | djp: GTA02_bass_fix on the wiki |
| 13:03.48 | SpeedEvil | djp: it's a hardware bug. |
| 13:03.55 | djp | thanks PaulFertser |
| 13:03.57 | SpeedEvil | djp: not fixable really in software |
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| 13:04.06 | Defiant | won't BT drain way more power? |
| 13:04.11 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: no, even with an amplifier of infinite resistance the cutoff is still too high due to pulldowns on lines. |
| 13:04.22 | SpeedEvil | Ah - I forgot those. |
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| 14:35.12 | vegyraupe | hi all |
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| 15:28.16 | Undrwater | i'm not getting any response from the gps using the traditional means on shr-u...is there a way to query it to determine if it's alive? |
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| 15:29.37 | Bert_2 | I'm trying to pair my moko with shr-unstable with my PC over USB, but it isn't working anymore, have there been destructive updates the last few days ? |
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| 15:34.15 | johnsu01 | yay for correct timestamps on sms after upgrade |
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| 15:41.15 | Undrwater | Bert_2: shr-u? |
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| 15:45.16 | slaxxer | smt line for free woohoo |
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| 15:54.53 | SpeedEvil | Phone GPS the better way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fl718QO_xQ |
| 15:56.46 | Undrwater | cute |
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| 15:59.45 | tomcatek | nice :] |
| 15:59.57 | tomcatek | is anybody implementing that stuff to F? |
| 15:59.59 | tomcatek | FR? |
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| 16:22.06 | Bert_2 | Say, can I update my moko inside a chroot ? |
| 16:22.41 | Bert_2 | or is that impossible because it's another architecture ? |
| 16:22.42 | SpeedEvil | chroot does not do other architectures |
| 16:22.56 | SpeedEvil | It simply runs programs on the CPU as normal with a different filesystem / |
| 16:23.27 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: damn, cause the eth device doesn't appear anymore (probably did an update on the wrong time) |
| 16:24.00 | SpeedEvil | you don't need eth device to flash |
| 16:24.47 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: I don't want to flash, I want to opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 16:24.55 | Bert_2 | (so I need to login over ssh) |
| 16:25.53 | tschaka | it might work via wifi |
| 16:26.15 | SpeedEvil | opkg update is generally quite a flaky way to upgrade |
| 16:26.22 | Bert_2 | tschaka: yeah, but I'm on the 2nd floor here with special isolation for the winter cold, so I can't pick up anything |
| 16:26.23 | SpeedEvil | it often doesn;t work well |
| 16:26.53 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: I know, but it's been quite some time since a new image of shr-unstable was released |
| 16:26.59 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 16:32.24 | Bert_2 | eth2 is back, did a few reboots, probably had something to do with the moment of USB connecting the device |
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| 16:35.51 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:37.33 | Undrwater | quite some time? |
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| 17:21.15 | panicking | Hi PaulFertser |
| 17:21.37 | PaulFertser | panicking: hey :D |
| 17:21.58 | panicking | ok, I decided to move |
| 17:22.03 | panicking | to the 2.6.3x kernel |
| 17:22.22 | panicking | Can we have a reposistory on openmoko |
| 17:22.26 | panicking | and rebase on it |
| 17:22.28 | panicking | or merge |
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| 17:23.48 | panicking | the openwrt patches are good start point |
| 17:23.59 | PaulFertser | panicking: we will have it very very soon |
| 17:24.09 | PaulFertser | panicking: just wait for larsc, he's on it. |
| 17:24.22 | panicking | Ok, but I will do the same thing |
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| 17:24.28 | panicking | I prefer a public repository |
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| 17:24.37 | panicking | because there are a lot of thing to discuss |
| 17:24.57 | panicking | The accelerometer for example |
| 17:25.01 | panicking | are still present |
| 17:25.06 | panicking | on the linux-2.6 |
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| 17:25.14 | panicking | and the bluetooth interface has changed |
| 17:25.21 | panicking | I just compile on the new kernel |
| 17:25.30 | panicking | I would like to have some good and clean code |
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| 17:28.13 | panicking | I think that step by step patches with some discussion is the best thing |
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| 18:02.35 | panicking | larsc, Hi |
| 18:02.38 | panicking | are you there? |
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| 18:12.15 | PaulFertser | panicking: it will be public OM repository. |
| 18:12.27 | larsc | panicking: hi, yes i am |
| 18:12.35 | PaulFertser | panicking: what's about accelerometer? Aren't you happy with the interface current andy-tracking has? |
| 18:12.45 | panicking | No, it's wrong |
| 18:12.51 | panicking | the spi change |
| 18:12.51 | PaulFertser | panicking: and what about bluetooth? I think it's exactly the same on .29 and .31. |
| 18:12.55 | panicking | no |
| 18:13.11 | panicking | there are a lot of change |
| 18:13.13 | PaulFertser | panicking: on FR bluetooth is USB |
| 18:13.13 | panicking | I apply |
| 18:13.26 | panicking | rfkill |
| 18:13.29 | panicking | interface |
| 18:13.41 | panicking | I use pastbin |
| 18:13.45 | larsc | panicking: i have fixed versions of them |
| 18:13.45 | panicking | to show somenting |
| 18:13.52 | PaulFertser | panicking: our FR bluetooth is generic usb HCI, nothing special. |
| 18:14.10 | PaulFertser | panicking: why do you think you need to do some additional rfkill magic? |
| 18:14.12 | panicking | bt-rfkill |
| 18:14.12 | panicking | ? |
| 18:14.22 | panicking | struct rfkill is changed |
| 18:14.31 | panicking | larsc, can you confirm |
| 18:14.31 | panicking | ? |
| 18:14.35 | larsc | yes |
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| 18:15.00 | larsc | and i adjusted the driver to use the new one |
| 18:15.01 | panicking | I rewrite the pwm interface |
| 18:15.02 | panicking | too |
| 18:15.05 | panicking | and you the mainlin |
| 18:15.23 | panicking | ok , but where is the git because we have rewrite the same thing |
| 18:15.27 | panicking | I have done today |
| 18:15.31 | panicking | a couple of change |
| 18:15.52 | panicking | I have a ready compiled version |
| 18:15.54 | PaulFertser | panicking: openwrt patches are public and available for several months already. |
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| 18:16.03 | panicking | There are wrong |
| 18:16.08 | panicking | for the mainline kernel |
| 18:16.12 | larsc | no they arn't |
| 18:16.17 | panicking | sorry |
| 18:16.18 | panicking | :) |
| 18:16.42 | panicking | Do you change |
| 18:16.43 | panicking | the pwm |
| 18:16.45 | panicking | initialization |
| 18:16.49 | larsc | no |
| 18:16.50 | panicking | in the mach-gta02 |
| 18:16.51 | panicking | ? |
| 18:17.03 | panicking | Do you remove the spi accelerometer |
| 18:17.07 | panicking | _sync hack |
| 18:17.08 | panicking | ? |
| 18:17.11 | larsc | yes |
| 18:17.25 | larsc | the sync hack didn't even work for me |
| 18:17.32 | panicking | Can I clone your repository |
| 18:17.37 | panicking | and apply and test my change |
| 18:17.38 | panicking | ? |
| 18:17.51 | larsc | i don't have a repository |
| 18:19.20 | panicking | Can you send your updated versione |
| 18:19.26 | PaulFertser | larsc: but no kidding, when are you going to push your .31? |
| 18:19.27 | panicking | of pm-bt |
| 18:19.35 | panicking | pm-wlan |
| 18:19.36 | panicking | etc |
| 18:19.36 | panicking | ? |
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| 18:19.46 | PaulFertser | panicking: can you please tell me why do you care at all about rfkill??? |
| 18:19.51 | PaulFertser | panicking: what's use of it? |
| 18:20.17 | larsc | PaulFertser: i'm working on it |
| 18:20.20 | panicking | I try to understand all the change from 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 needed |
| 18:20.29 | panicking | and cleanup the patches |
| 18:20.30 | PaulFertser | larsc: i know :) |
| 18:20.44 | panicking | to have less diff from the mainline |
| 18:21.10 | PaulFertser | panicking: every time we talk you mention rfkill. It can't be a simple coincidence :) I just can't understand why this kernel subsystem is needed at all and you care about it. |
| 18:21.52 | *** part/#openmoko der-lehmann (n=stefan@188-192-133-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 18:22.34 | panicking | we are several question: |
| 18:22.44 | panicking | - fiq integration and pwm |
| 18:22.58 | panicking | - accelerometer integration |
| 18:23.06 | panicking | - glamo video device |
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| 18:23.12 | panicking | - board revision |
| 18:23.20 | panicking | make them as clean as possible |
| 18:23.28 | panicking | so I'm working on it |
| 18:23.33 | PaulFertser | panicking: have you seen https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/s3c24xx/patches-2.6.30 |
| 18:23.46 | panicking | They are wrong and not clean |
| 18:23.54 | panicking | do you have apply on a git and try to compile? |
| 18:24.15 | panicking | on linus-2.6 tree |
| 18:24.16 | panicking | ? |
| 18:24.46 | panicking | We need a repository and not a couple of patches |
| 18:24.53 | panicking | we need a review process |
| 18:24.56 | PaulFertser | panicking: larsc is working on it |
| 18:25.07 | panicking | The community must work on it |
| 18:25.17 | panicking | or is a closed process |
| 18:25.18 | panicking | ? |
| 18:25.46 | panicking | better patches come from a discussion |
| 18:25.53 | PaulFertser | panicking: no, but he's .31 already running. Just wait for him to push it to the OM repo and then join... Or is it too long for a wait? |
| 18:25.54 | panicking | on a mailing list with some review process |
| 18:26.25 | panicking | I think that each change must be discussed. So start step by step can be a good thing |
| 18:26.35 | panicking | for all |
| 18:26.41 | panicking | to have some clean tree |
| 18:26.52 | panicking | that is my idea |
| 18:26.56 | PaulFertser | panicking: aha, that's what you want... |
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| 18:27.10 | panicking | that is how the project go ahead |
| 18:27.12 | panicking | linux |
| 18:27.14 | panicking | u-boot |
| 18:27.19 | PaulFertser | panicking: why didn't you say it explicitly earlier, when larsc wrote that email to the kernel ML about our future? |
| 18:27.20 | panicking | openmoko (andy) |
| 18:27.47 | PaulFertser | panicking: i thought you were ok with the way when larsc pushes all his patches and then we use it as a base. |
| 18:28.36 | panicking | larsc, PaulFertser Ok, but is it possible to have a step by step review on the mailing list |
| 18:28.44 | panicking | in every single patch |
| 18:28.49 | panicking | before commit it on the repository |
| 18:28.50 | panicking | ? |
| 18:28.52 | PaulFertser | panicking: i guess you should have requested it a little bit earlier. |
| 18:29.06 | PaulFertser | panicking: do you have any particular comments about openwrt patchset? |
| 18:29.12 | panicking | Yes |
| 18:29.15 | panicking | a lot |
| 18:29.43 | PaulFertser | panicking: feel free to post them to the ML or discuss here. |
| 18:30.06 | panicking | use of the gpilib |
| 18:30.20 | panicking | rename of all gpio to GPG(4) instead of GPG4 |
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| 18:30.24 | panicking | etc |
| 18:30.29 | panicking | there a lot of issue |
| 18:30.39 | panicking | Cleanup comment do avoid difference from the mailine |
| 18:30.54 | panicking | move to the pwm interface |
| 18:31.17 | panicking | but without the latest patcheset I can't say a lot |
| 18:31.32 | larsc | panicking: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/s3c24xx/files-2.6.31 feel free to clean it up |
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| 18:32.38 | panicking | ok thanks |
| 18:33.10 | larsc | and wanted to do more cleanup before commting, so it might not be in it's best shaped |
| 18:33.29 | larsc | but at least it should compile and boot |
| 18:35.12 | panicking | it is possible file that are present |
| 18:35.16 | panicking | in the mainline |
| 18:35.20 | panicking | to have a diff file |
| 18:35.23 | panicking | instead a new file |
| 18:35.40 | panicking | mach-gta02 |
| 18:35.43 | panicking | is present |
| 18:36.00 | larsc | nope |
| 18:36.05 | larsc | not yet |
| 18:36.05 | panicking | I notice that with the previus patches |
| 18:36.16 | panicking | ok |
| 18:36.22 | larsc | the previous patches were against 2.6.30 |
| 18:36.28 | larsc | 2.6.30 had no mach-gta02.c |
| 18:36.47 | panicking | 2.6.31 |
| 18:36.48 | panicking | yes |
| 18:36.57 | panicking | and in the files-2.6.31 |
| 18:37.01 | larsc | i know |
| 18:37.01 | panicking | there is mach-gta02.c |
| 18:37.14 | larsc | thats one of the cleanups i was working on |
| 18:37.20 | panicking | ok |
| 18:37.27 | panicking | I have done a change |
| 18:37.30 | panicking | in the accelerometer |
| 18:37.33 | panicking | for android |
| 18:37.39 | larsc | what change? |
| 18:38.00 | panicking | deactivate accelerometer |
| 18:38.01 | panicking | and activate accelerometer |
| 18:38.08 | panicking | for now is raw hack |
| 18:38.22 | panicking | but it is very usefull |
| 18:38.30 | panicking | because close all descriptor |
| 18:38.34 | larsc | it's deactived unless somebody queries data from it |
| 18:38.35 | panicking | is the only alternative |
| 18:38.41 | panicking | fd |
| 18:39.10 | panicking | In android for example the module |
| 18:39.15 | panicking | abstraction open the fd |
| 18:39.23 | panicking | and then require activation/deactivation |
| 18:40.08 | panicking | http://git.moko.serdar-dere.net/cgi-bin/?p=kernel/openmoko.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e8fb53b4bca8ef61588653dc6db4d010bf7eb22 |
| 18:40.15 | panicking | somenthing like this |
| 18:41.01 | panicking | this is an HACK |
| 18:41.02 | panicking | I don't find a lot of accelerometer |
| 18:41.03 | panicking | in the mainlin |
| 18:43.41 | PaulFertser | panicking: how is accelerometer any different from usual input devices except that you have additional sysfs nodes to change some device-specific parameters? |
| 18:45.21 | panicking | ok I increase the sensitivy |
| 18:45.32 | panicking | and deactivate if is to high |
| 18:45.52 | panicking | I don't change the interface |
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| 18:47.58 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm sorry but i have difficulties understanding you. I'm not sure about larsc. |
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| 18:50.44 | panicking | If you close all file descriptor |
| 18:50.57 | panicking | you basically shutdown the accelerometer |
| 18:51.03 | panicking | ok, this is impossible using android |
| 18:51.07 | panicking | because the interface |
| 18:51.13 | panicking | open the file descriptor |
| 18:51.23 | panicking | and use activate/deactivate |
| 18:51.31 | panicking | to shutdown the acceleromente |
| 18:51.38 | larsc | but isn't it androids fault then? |
| 18:51.39 | panicking | I ask if it is possible to change the interface |
| 18:51.41 | PaulFertser | panicking: well, it doesn't prove that the current implementation is wrong |
| 18:51.51 | panicking | It's just a feature |
| 18:51.59 | panicking | deactivate/deactivarte |
| 18:52.01 | PaulFertser | panicking: probably it's android that doesn't follow established Linux practicies? |
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| 18:54.42 | panicking | Well I don't find a lot of accelerometer |
| 18:54.44 | panicking | in linux |
| 18:54.52 | panicking | can you point to other one |
| 18:54.52 | panicking | ? |
| 18:55.24 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm afraid you might get upset by discussion on IRC for various reasons, if you feel more comfortable with it, please share all your concerns on kernel ML to get more interested parties notified. |
| 18:56.13 | PaulFertser | panicking: why aren't you happy with representing accelerometer as an input device as all other input devices? What's the difference comparing to joystics or the like? |
| 18:57.32 | PaulFertser | panicking: here's an example of accelerometer driver: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS |
| 18:59.10 | panicking | I don't say nothing about interface but I propose a little change |
| 18:59.38 | PaulFertser | panicking: you don't justify it enough. Can you provide another example of any device (not only accelerometer) that works like you propose? |
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| 19:00.14 | panicking | larsc, add struct work in lis320dl_info |
| 19:00.19 | PaulFertser | (well, enough for me. And my opinion is really humble) |
| 19:00.56 | panicking | Well I don't have a lot of accelerometer but I take a look if there is some on/off interface |
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| 19:01.42 | PaulFertser | panicking: Can you give an example of _any_ device that works like you propose? Especially input. |
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| 19:03.39 | panicking | yes |
| 19:03.53 | panicking | ads7846.c |
| 19:03.55 | PaulFertser | panicking: and i don't see why you want to keep a file open (that can be considered as a "device handle") when actually you turn it off. I just can't see how it can help userspace. Do not need the device -- close the file. Seems simple. |
| 19:03.56 | panicking | for example |
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| 19:04.32 | panicking | I'm not sure but it export an attribute |
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| 19:06.41 | panicking | There are four device |
| 19:06.43 | panicking | under input |
| 19:07.57 | PaulFertser | panicking: touchscreen is special |
| 19:08.07 | panicking | accelerometer too I think |
| 19:08.16 | panicking | but that is not a problem |
| 19:08.21 | panicking | I want just to move android |
| 19:08.24 | panicking | on the latest kernel |
| 19:08.37 | panicking | I have a 2.6.31 |
| 19:08.38 | panicking | ready |
| 19:08.44 | PaulFertser | panicking: i guess it makes sense to disable it on the fly to make some tricks like "user doesn't want to accidentally move mouse atm". |
| 19:08.44 | panicking | now, thanks to lars |
| 19:09.07 | panicking | Ok |
| 19:09.26 | panicking | I will sent the patches agaist the tree 2.6.31 |
| 19:09.29 | panicking | tomorrow |
| 19:09.32 | PaulFertser | panicking: we do not want to diverge from upstream unless really necessary. I can't see how the interface you propose is justified. That's my humble opinion. Others may disagree. |
| 19:09.34 | panicking | if I have success |
| 19:09.55 | panicking | So we can discuss on them |
| 19:11.40 | PaulFertser | panicking: can you probably tell me whom you consider to be really authoritative in our small community? Is it Werner? Do you agree that if Werner NAKs e.g. this (imho weird) accelerometer proposal you'll agree it's wrong? ;) |
| 19:12.19 | panicking | I just send patches |
| 19:13.03 | panicking | to the community |
| 19:13.13 | panicking | and people can discuss about them |
| 19:13.30 | panicking | Every time a test somenthing i find new proplem |
| 19:13.39 | panicking | the hardware is old enough |
| 19:14.01 | panicking | so maybe I think that all can give contribute to the kernel |
| 19:14.27 | panicking | I hope the audio part is more stable in the new kernel |
| 19:14.34 | panicking | and does't panic on arecord |
| 19:14.35 | panicking | command |
| 19:14.49 | panicking | so I think that move to the new one is a priority |
| 19:14.59 | panicking | I don't want to rewrite the wheel |
| 19:15.48 | PaulFertser | panicking: panic on arecord? Reproducible? Have you reported it on bugtracker? |
| 19:16.05 | panicking | well is just reported |
| 19:16.09 | panicking | in the bugtracker |
| 19:16.19 | panicking | I find in the bugtracker |
| 19:16.22 | panicking | using google |
| 19:16.45 | PaulFertser | panicking: can you tell the ticket number? |
| 19:17.14 | panicking | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2073 |
| 19:17.17 | panicking | maybe this one |
| 19:17.26 | panicking | I have a panic |
| 19:17.35 | panicking | It is reproducible |
| 19:17.40 | panicking | with my alsa.conf |
| 19:17.52 | panicking | in android. I have some problem with the debug board |
| 19:17.58 | panicking | but I will test again tomorrow |
| 19:18.02 | panicking | on 2.6.31 |
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| 19:18.34 | PaulFertser | panicking: which one of the three issues are you talking about? |
| 19:18.35 | larsc | yep... the codec driver is samewhat broken... |
| 19:18.46 | larsc | /samewhat/somewhat/ |
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| 19:19.21 | panicking | I have a panic but I don't have the stack |
| 19:19.34 | panicking | by debug board has problem |
| 19:19.40 | panicking | so I don't have the stack |
| 19:19.48 | panicking | but call two times the arecord |
| 19:19.53 | PaulFertser | panicking: you can get lindi-'s ramconsole patch then. |
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| 19:20.12 | panicking | ok |
| 19:20.24 | panicking | but it is simple to reproduce |
| 19:20.41 | PaulFertser | panicking: please reproduce it without ever using DAI 1 mode, it's known to be broken. |
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| 19:20.59 | panicking | broken or not the system doesn't panic |
| 19:21.04 | PaulFertser | panicking: agree |
| 19:21.08 | panicking | ok |
| 19:21.37 | PaulFertser | panicking: but we can't fix everything. And things that one can easily avoid by not doing useless stuff (like switching to DAI 1) are not a priority. |
| 19:21.53 | PaulFertser | I hope it eventually gets fixed. But it's not a priority. |
| 19:22.02 | panicking | Ok |
| 19:22.08 | panicking | What is the difference |
| 19:22.11 | PaulFertser | So if you get something reporoducible without ever using DAI 1, please share your steps to reproduce. |
| 19:22.13 | panicking | from DAI 1 and DAI 2 |
| 19:22.18 | panicking | ok |
| 19:22.22 | panicking | I have a config |
| 19:22.24 | panicking | in DAI 1 mode |
| 19:22.41 | PaulFertser | panicking: DAI 1 is useless. Please read more in the ticket you referenced. |
| 19:25.08 | panicking | So I must use DAI 2 mode |
| 19:25.12 | panicking | instead of DAI 1 |
| 19:25.32 | PaulFertser | panicking: indeed |
| 19:25.54 | PaulFertser | panicking: look at Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem on the OM wiki, it has some nice diagrams explaining all the modes. |
| 19:25.56 | panicking | Ok,see you tomorrow |
| 19:26.07 | panicking | Yes but there are about 84 |
| 19:26.10 | panicking | control |
| 19:26.15 | panicking | and it is not to simple |
| 19:26.21 | panicking | to write a complete asound.conf |
| 19:26.25 | PaulFertser | panicking: diagrams make those easy to understand |
| 19:26.30 | panicking | for recording |
| 19:26.42 | panicking | I must copy from other one and start from it |
| 19:26.50 | PaulFertser | panicking: take alsa state file for voip and you'll have recording |
| 19:27.00 | PaulFertser | panicking: there's another state file to allow recording gsm conversations. |
| 19:27.11 | panicking | ok, It can be only stereo |
| 19:27.18 | panicking | -c 2 |
| 19:29.45 | panicking | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/3a/Callrec.txt |
| 19:29.48 | panicking | this one |
| 19:30.26 | PaulFertser | panicking: i can't tell for sure. I'd suggest to extract one from one of the apps that do that. |
| 19:30.35 | panicking | ok |
| 19:30.41 | panicking | thanks |
| 19:30.47 | panicking | and goodbye |
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| 19:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~fr-audio |
| 19:41.31 | apt | i heard fr-audio is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem |
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| 19:50.39 | Kero | is getting frustrated with his gta01 as it refuses to charge battery too often. |
| 19:50.48 | Kero | battery does not seem to be hot. |
| 19:51.13 | Kero | can taking out battery while USB is plugged in occasionally cause that? |
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| 19:53.09 | SpeedEvil | Yes - if you take the battery out, it won't charge. |
| 19:53.39 | Ainulindale | Meh :-) |
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| 19:54.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure - it's not recommended. |
| 19:54.29 | SpeedEvil | But I haven't done the reading to see what the effects might be. |
| 19:56.20 | vegyraupe | n8 all |
| 19:58.09 | PaulFertser | Kero: do not EVER take out a battery from gta01 that runs on usb. |
| 19:58.20 | PaulFertser | Kero: just do not do that, it can really brick the device. |
| 19:58.38 | PaulFertser | Kero: scream of death and one gta01 less in the world. |
| 19:59.39 | Kero | it's too easy to do just that. done it dozens of times... |
| 19:59.54 | PaulFertser | Kero: thank god for you luck ;) |
| 20:00.15 | SpeedEvil | How is it easy to do? |
| 20:00.29 | SpeedEvil | The back cover of your device falls off? |
| 20:00.58 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: what's the actual mechanism of damage - or haven't you investigated? |
| 20:01.01 | Kero | develop, break kernel, need hard reset, remove cover, realize USB is still connected. |
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| 20:01.33 | Kero | or whatever reason for hard reset. like warm reboots not having working GSM. |
| 20:01.53 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: nobody did in fact. It was before Joerg joined OM. |
| 20:02.59 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 20:04.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: there seems sth fishy with gta01 charge circuit |
| 20:05.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: ->oscillation, chokes, burnout of PMU |
| 20:05.33 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 20:08.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: I seem to recall a C from collector to emitter of some power transistor. I learnt to build RF-oscillators this way ;-P |
| 20:09.52 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:10.15 | Wonka | where do I complain about kicad build errors? |
| 20:10.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | gta02-core chan |
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| 20:24.27 | Weiss | discovers Xournal |
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| 20:40.47 | mortenlysgaard | Hi, I've got a 5 weeks old SHR installed, can i safely #opkg update; opkg upgrade? |
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| 20:42.41 | tschaka | mortenlysgaard i did some hours ago, gsm and suspend seemed to work. |
| 20:43.32 | mortenlysgaard | tschaka: Thanks for the info. What's the state of SHR atm btw? Is FSO pim implemented? |
| 20:43.43 | tschaka | not yet i afaik. |
| 20:44.02 | PaulFertser | tschaka: wrong |
| 20:44.12 | PaulFertser | mortenlysgaard: it is implemented. But not in basic SHR apps. |
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| 20:44.23 | tschaka | mortenlysgaard i dont use it as daily phone atm, and atm i'm rather playing around with qtmoko, so ... rather ask PaulFertser :) |
| 20:44.27 | PaulFertser | mortenlysgaard: there's opimd-utils, some of them fully functional. |
| 20:44.50 | tschaka | PaulFertser it was always said opimd-utils are only test scripts and should not be used :P |
| 20:45.20 | mortenlysgaard | Opim-utils? I don't know what that is |
| 20:45.20 | PaulFertser | mortenlysgaard: but for full telephony with opimd intergration take a look at litephone or c_c's dialer, afaik they use opimd. Also you can get by with opimd-utils for the time being but beware, that they're partially hacked up scripts just to test opimd. |
| 20:46.00 | mortenlysgaard | PaulFertser: Well, litephone, is it a package, distro? |
| 20:49.52 | mortenlysgaard | PaulFertser: Is focus moving over to QT or is it just me being paranoid? |
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| 20:52.13 | PaulFertser | mortenlysgaard: no, SHR focus is not moving to Qt |
| 20:55.20 | mortenlysgaard | PaulFertser: Good, that would be bad. |
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| 21:05.58 | social | woha qtmoko is pretty fast |
| 21:11.09 | mortenlysgaard | is qtmoko fully functional? |
| 21:12.32 | tschaka | mortenlysgaard for the current state, check http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 21:12.49 | tschaka | the sms receiving bug could be reproduced so should be fixed soon :) |
| 21:13.29 | mortenlysgaard | tschaka: Nice. does it still use that awfull qt keyboard? |
| 21:14.20 | tschaka | mortenlysgaard i dont know which keyboard you mean, but it uses this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Qtopia_keyboard also handwriting seems to be quite cool, tho makes you type slowly.. |
| 21:15.25 | mortenlysgaard | tschaka: Hmm, that's the one I was thinking about. It can't be modified for different layouts, can it? |
| 21:16.30 | tschaka | mortenlysgaard i don't know exactly, am quite knew to moko and qtmoko especially. maybe you could try in #qtmoko or ask there tomorrow or file a "bug" report? |
| 21:18.08 | mortenlysgaard | tschaka: I'll ask in the chan. |
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| 21:47.44 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5656 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (ecn0030.txt ecn0034.txt): ecn updates |
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| 21:50.05 | badcloud | hey all |
| 21:50.34 | badcloud | what distro is usable as a daily phone nowadays? |
| 21:50.46 | Zorkman | shr-u |
| 21:52.43 | badcloud | which image? |
| 21:54.16 | badcloud | latest? |
| 21:58.26 | Zorkman | jup |
| 21:58.47 | badcloud | thanks |
| 22:05.27 | Rakhun | shr-u, is that the regular SHR or some variant of it? (sorry if this has been mentioned already) |
| 22:06.21 | tschaka | its the "unstable" version, which means the regular SHR as of now. |
| 22:06.54 | Rakhun | ah, thank you :) |
| 22:07.22 | tschaka | Rakhun you are welcome :) |
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