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| 02:52.00 | fredrin | Digital-Pioneer: what's up |
| 02:52.21 | Digital-Pioneer | fredrin: Crappy, trashy, unusuable internet. |
| 02:52.33 | fredrin | heh |
| 02:52.33 | Digital-Pioneer | And a broken FR. |
| 02:52.47 | fredrin | saw this guy on the ML that was selling his |
| 02:52.59 | fredrin | and his screen was working |
| 02:53.18 | fredrin | he got some other fails with his phone |
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| 08:05.42 | PaulFertser | Hey guys. :) How is this called: you're hanging on a pullup bar, do a partial pull up and at the same time leg raise so that legs go _over_ the bar and you rotate to the standing-on-the-hands position? And can you do that? |
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| 10:57.32 | CosmicDuck | hi, is it possible that upgrade of libfso-glib0 is broken? I cannot upgrade fsousaged today:root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg upgrade |
| 10:57.32 | CosmicDuck | Upgrading fsousaged on root from 0.0.0.0+gitr439+5cad20bc5a6d9e11ac933ccaf62dc4effe5ab8bf-r6.0 to 0.9.0.1+gitr464+f07f80fffd61413d1d7143ad7f9999e3e6b95242-r0.0... |
| 10:57.32 | CosmicDuck | Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/fsousaged_0.9.0.1+gitr464+f07f80fffd61413d1d7143ad7f9999e3e6b95242-r0.0_armv4t.ipk |
| 10:57.32 | CosmicDuck | Collected errors: |
| 10:57.33 | CosmicDuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.35 | CosmicDuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.37 | CosmicDuck | root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg upgrade libfso-glib0 |
| 10:57.39 | CosmicDuck | root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed|grep libfso-glib0 |
| 10:57.41 | CosmicDuck | libfso-glib0 - 0.2.0-gitrx45+90115e7b9fd6cf7037d002c6a666805ccd7b43cd-r0 - |
| 10:57.43 | CosmicDuck | Any hints? |
| 10:58.02 | CosmicDuck | All the other packages has been upgraded successfully. |
| 11:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | ask in #*-cdevel |
| 11:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | ask mrmoku, dos1 |
| 11:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | CosmicDuck: basically yu need a more recent libfso-glib, and probably you need to install that as well |
| 11:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | CosmicDuck: as I got it, you downloaded the ipk, then installed from file. There's very little opkg can do to satisfy the dependency automatically |
| 11:03.43 | CosmicDuck | DocScrutinizer-8: Yes I know. But where is it? Theres not listen in opkt list_upgradable. Should I wait? |
| 11:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. probably you need to find the libfso-glib ipk with the same git-hash |
| 11:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | ...as fsousaged has |
| 11:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | probably /ipk/* and feeds not in sync |
| 11:07.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ask in *-cdevel |
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| 11:07.19 | FredWP | Hey guys. |
| 11:07.38 | FredWP | I still have Om 2008 installed (which can't find the proper repositories), I was wondering, how do you put in spaces in your text messages? |
| 11:09.10 | dos1 | FredWP: a) om2008? why? |
| 11:09.28 | dos1 | FredWP: b) just by left-to-right gesture or by clicking on typed word... |
| 11:10.25 | FredWP | dos1, that's how it got shipped. :) |
| 11:10.41 | FredWP | I haven't taken the time to read the wiki properly and install another. |
| 11:10.44 | dos1 | FredWP: so? ;x |
| 11:11.01 | dos1 | FredWP: hmm... well, reading wiki is task to do *before* buying freerunner ;) |
| 11:11.02 | FredWP | But I do plan to test as many as possible. |
| 11:11.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | FredWP: you're strongly suggested to upgrade to some recent distro |
| 11:11.19 | FredWP | And I'll probably end up with Qt Extended Community Managed or SHR (or maybe another if it really impresses me). |
| 11:11.26 | FredWP | I know! ^^ |
| 11:11.29 | FredWP | Probably this week. |
| 11:12.18 | FredWP | You guys will surely find me around during the process if I have any newbie questions. :p |
| 11:12.35 | FredWP | But let's hope the wiki articles will be sufficient help. ;) |
| 11:12.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | FredWP: not much use in messing around too much with obsolete system ;-) |
| 11:13.02 | FredWP | Thing is, when I plugin my Openmoko into my Lemote Yeeloong, I get kernel panic/failure and ethernet dies. :( |
| 11:13.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | FredWP: not much use in messing around too much with obsolete system ;-) |
| 11:13.28 | CosmicDuck | DocScrutinizer-8: Ok, they say in *-cdevel I should ignore it for now. |
| 11:13.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | CosmicDuck: ok :-DD |
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| 11:16.42 | musicmaniac | can i get a rough estimate of how much time i can continuously play ogg on openmoko on a single battery on full charge? |
| 11:17.05 | musicmaniac | with earphones |
| 11:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | musicmaniac: at least 6h |
| 11:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | quite possibly much more |
| 11:17.40 | musicmaniac | cool thats enough.. |
| 11:18.12 | FredWP | Guys. |
| 11:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | heh, first time I hear a "that's ok" instead of moaning and nagging |
| 11:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 11:18.25 | FredWP | I got told the NF is completely free except for the GSM firmware, right? |
| 11:18.35 | FredWP | Will it ever get fixed in future revisions? Is that the only non-free thing? |
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| 11:18.39 | musicmaniac | ;-) well its a lott better than 3 hours working time !:) |
| 11:18.45 | FredWP | It got me quite disappointed when I figured out about that after purchasing. |
| 11:18.52 | KaZeR-mobi | hello there. has anyone tried the high precision mode for GPS? |
| 11:19.17 | musicmaniac | FredWP: |
| 11:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | FredWP: WHAT? |
| 11:19.30 | FredWP | ? |
| 11:19.42 | FredWP | With free I mean libre. |
| 11:19.45 | FredWP | Free software. |
| 11:19.46 | musicmaniac | its due to the legal requirement of wireless communication authority on different countries that gsm firmware is kept non-free |
| 11:19.50 | FredWP | Not priceless or something. |
| 11:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | FredWP: if you want to mess with GSM-stack you need to start a job at TI |
| 11:19.53 | CosmicDuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.07 | FredWP | :( |
| 11:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | FredWP: listen to musicmaniac |
| 11:20.26 | musicmaniac | DocScrutinizer: won't it also require some mess up with the legal authorities too? |
| 11:20.37 | FredWP | We should get a hacker on the job, and reverse engineer that thing! |
| 11:20.50 | musicmaniac | FredWP: |
| 11:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | FredWP: go ahead - LOL |
| 11:21.07 | FredWP | I wish. :P |
| 11:21.14 | musicmaniac | ops tab is becoming <RET> in this damnn client:) |
| 11:21.21 | musicmaniac | sorry FredWP |
| 11:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | Nice to meet you when you close up with Dieter Spaar and me ;-) |
| 11:21.29 | musicmaniac | argh again:) am quiting;-) |
| 11:21.48 | FredWP | So. |
| 11:21.54 | FredWP | GSM firmware is the only non-free thing? |
| 11:21.59 | FredWP | In the whole bunch of freedom it provides? |
| 11:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | FredWP: please refer to wiki |
| 11:22.20 | CosmicDuck | FredWP: Im not shure glamo? |
| 11:22.21 | FredWP | I believe I read something. |
| 11:22.30 | FredWP | About the issues it had, including the mentioning of the non-free GSM firmware. |
| 11:22.34 | FredWP | I couldn't find it again. :( |
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| 11:23.18 | musicmaniac | if you want it pefectly i guess may be a clean up of debian-arm will do that as is expected with gnewsense 3 |
| 11:23.20 | FredWP | Maybe one day, somebody will liberate us |
| 11:23.21 | musicmaniac | ;-) |
| 11:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | FredWP: do you have the firmware of the harddisk inside the PC you're using atm? |
| 11:23.40 | FredWP | Most likely. |
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| 11:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 11:23.54 | FredWP | DocScrutinizer, before you start. |
| 11:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | for sure |
| 11:24.03 | FredWP | Saying stuff is not free. |
| 11:24.06 | FredWP | www.lemote.com |
| 11:24.11 | FredWP | I use Yeeloong because it's completely free. |
| 11:24.15 | FredWP | Including BIOS (PMON2000). |
| 11:24.23 | FredWP | ;) |
| 11:24.46 | FredWP | I really mind my freedom. D; |
| 11:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | nah, sorry. Been there too often. No mood for that discussion now |
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| 11:25.17 | FredWP | It's fine. |
| 11:25.24 | FredWP | I don't try to contradict any of you. |
| 11:25.31 | FredWP | I just wanted to educate myself a bit more. |
| 11:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you want to talk to mister Stallman, even he wasn't concerned about GSM stack |
| 11:25.52 | FredWP | I love my Openmoko for what it does. |
| 11:26.19 | FredWP | I believe the Openmoko is the most free phone available. |
| 11:26.24 | FredWP | I think it being the most free is sufficient. |
| 11:26.30 | FredWP | Even with a bit of non-free stuff here and there. |
| 11:26.45 | swathanthran | in the sense of freedom to hack on stuff openmoko is a whole new world than lemote |
| 11:26.46 | lindi- | FredWP: indeed, you just need to be aware of the issues so that they can be fixed in the future |
| 11:26.47 | FredWP | But that's fine as I said. :) |
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| 11:27.01 | FredWP | Exactly lindi-, hopefully we'll get there one day. ^^ |
| 11:27.23 | FredWP | I love Openmoko for what it did with the NF. |
| 11:27.41 | FredWP | Open and free schematics, developer board, going further than just FLOSS. |
| 11:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, there is even more "closed" firmware on FR: the code for the GSM-DSP is hardcoded to ROM, the firmware for WiFi AR6k isn't upgradeable (for now), and the processor in PMU also does some micro-program for sure, but we don't know how to tweak that. Same for BT |
| 11:28.36 | FredWP | I see. |
| 11:28.48 | FredWP | Be right back, diner, thanks for the heads up so far! |
| 11:28.54 | lindi- | FredWP: not all manufacturing info is available though? we for example were not able to have searchable component placement diagram since the proprietary program used to generate it did not support that and we were not given access to the input file |
| 11:29.09 | swathanthran | DocScrutinizer: does that mean the wifi driver having firmware or is it about the hardware stuff? |
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| 11:31.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for now we got a linux system with not a single closed source driver running on the app-processor. We never claimed we will free every autonomous subsystem (like BT chip, harddisk you hook up to USB, etc) that usually is running its own little "OS" on a proprietary processor |
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| 11:44.00 | SpeedEvil | Also the glamo |
| 11:44.08 | SpeedEvil | but... |
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| 14:35.03 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r62a65b70ce9e 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala resource.vala): fsousaged: controller: split into two files |
| 14:40.09 | mactschi | lindi-: it's hard to make _everything_ open source. what about the chip design? |
| 14:40.19 | mactschi | what about the chip manufacturing process? |
| 14:40.39 | mactschi | implementing a phone in an fpga just doesn't cut it ;-) |
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| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | without chip design details (register functions etc) it's also useless to opensource the firmware |
| 14:44.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | after all what's the use of an assembler sourcecode of a processor you don't undertsand the command set |
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| 14:46.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | even if the cpu core is wellknown and documented, you still don't learn anything from source if you don't have decent definitions of IO |
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| 14:55.01 | SpeedEvil | That's not quite true. |
| 14:55.24 | SpeedEvil | You can reverse engineer the firmware somewhat if you know what the external protocol is, or you can watch it |
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| 14:59.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: you can always do that (if you can get a hold on the firmware at all). And that's really unrelated to topic of "free and open" |
| 15:00.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | except for the final goal of whole effort |
| 15:02.05 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 15:02.12 | SpeedEvil | And not really even then. |
| 15:02.28 | SpeedEvil | As the best it gets you is one - or a insight into a series - of chip(s) cracked |
| 15:02.42 | SpeedEvil | Often with remaining bugs in your open firmware. |
| 15:02.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 15:04.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | see freemac effort. And that was about a free *soft*mac, not even a fullmac (aka hardmac aka "firmware") |
| 15:06.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so your system was welldefined for cpu etc, and sole problem was the register functions of prism wifi chipset |
| 15:07.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and there was a closed source windoof driver you easily could trace etc |
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| 15:12.13 | SpeedEvil | That - and the fact that it's a lot harder than say firefox or ... to hack. |
| 15:12.50 | SpeedEvil | The numbers of people skilled in embedded programming is rather smaller that those that can do C++ or xul/xbl/js |
| 15:13.06 | SpeedEvil | Especialyl embedded poorly documented |
| 15:13.12 | lindi- | mactschi: what's your point? |
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| 15:18.33 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r25b9364003f6 10/lib/phonesim.cpp: lib: fix spec violation for unsolicited commands. Those commands have to be initiated with \r\n |
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| 16:30.02 | noaXess | hello all |
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| 16:30.35 | noaXess | i trying to comile qt-embedded and get an error: error: no matching function for call to âoperator new(unsigned int, QList<QScriptValue>::Node*)â |
| 16:30.46 | noaXess | any iea, or place where a can get a solution? |
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| 16:43.16 | beer | http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page or qtmoko here in freenote |
| 16:43.47 | beer | since they has build around qt they may know |
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| 17:24.43 | Mortak | hi |
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| 18:36.37 | Kagee | Is there any way (script/tricks) to always have a shourtcut to the latest josm ? |
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| 18:50.45 | mojocafe | good evening everyone - does the A6 or any other openmoko device support Adobe Flash ? |
| 18:50.56 | lindi- | mojocafe: that's not a hardware issue. |
| 18:51.27 | lindi- | mojocafe: (and A6 is a hardware revision) |
| 18:51.54 | mojocafe | lindi-, oops sorry. i am a total noob about the OS and its devices. excuse me! |
| 18:52.38 | mojocafe | how many devices support the OS ? |
| 18:52.38 | lindi- | mojocafe: well, gnash runs on debian but it's not very very fast |
| 18:52.46 | lindi- | mojocafe: there are multiple distros |
| 18:52.51 | lindi- | mojocafe: no single OS |
| 18:53.16 | mojocafe | lindi-, ah ok. just like unix having ubuntu, kunbunt etc. ? am i understanding it right ? |
| 18:54.46 | mojocafe | lindi-, do you own the neo freerunner ? |
| 18:55.23 | lindi- | mojocafe: yes, i have been using freerunner for a year |
| 18:56.12 | lindi- | mojocafe: something like that. I use debian myself mostly since I know how it works and what policies they have |
| 18:57.16 | mojocafe | lindi-, mmmh. i am asking all this stuff as i would like to know if one of my projects works with it. but as i do not know anything about the performance of gnash, i think it's too early to try it on the device. |
| 18:57.19 | lindi- | mojocafe: what do you use to run flash programs yourself? |
| 18:57.56 | mojocafe | you mean about the project !? |
| 18:58.09 | lindi- | mojocafe: hmm? |
| 18:58.34 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: how flash is any better than native apps or than java apps? |
| 18:59.13 | mojocafe | ah ok. well the problem is that i am just a very very very beginner scripter - i am coming from the design part as i mainly develop flash animations and programs. so that is why i am bound to flash :)+ |
| 18:59.20 | mojocafe | sorry for teh "+" |
| 18:59.23 | mojocafe | teh = the |
| 18:59.53 | lindi- | mojocafe: how do you run the flash programs? |
| 19:00.13 | mojocafe | i tried hard for the last weeks to port my idea to maemo but i am realy too dumb. i installed over 8 gigs of SDKs the last weeks *sigh* |
| 19:00.27 | mojocafe | lindi-, they do it through the browser. |
| 19:00.42 | mojocafe | the project depends on flash lite on the mobile device and an internet connection. |
| 19:00.52 | mojocafe | you can get a view at www.mojocafe.net |
| 19:02.07 | lindi- | mojocafe: but what browser plugin? |
| 19:02.12 | mojocafe | Flash lite. |
| 19:02.47 | lindi- | mojocafe: sounds like proprietary software to me |
| 19:02.57 | mojocafe | lindi-, yeah unfortunately yes :( *sigh* |
| 19:03.13 | mojocafe | let me check if gnash starts SWF files. |
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| 19:03.35 | lindi- | mojocafe: then our priorities clearly differ :) |
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| 19:04.02 | mojocafe | lindi-, i know i know. I allready had that discussion with the maemo masters :) |
| 19:04.24 | mojocafe | is gnash more like a plugin or a program ? |
| 19:04.36 | mojocafe | ah, just checked it. sorry. |
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| 19:05.17 | mojocafe | lindi-, would you like to test out if the project works on the neo ? |
| 19:05.55 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: i don't think it's any different comparing to any PC... |
| 19:06.18 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: unless gnash has some issues on arm but i doubt that, i think it was one of the priorities from the beginning. |
| 19:07.16 | mojocafe | wow, i just checked that the screen res of the neo is 480x640 ! that sounds neat ! |
| 19:08.36 | lindi- | mojocafe: you can just test it on your PC |
| 19:08.53 | lindi- | mojocafe: there's nothing magical about the freerunner hardware that'd affect you except for the speed of gnash |
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| 19:11.01 | mojocafe | lindi-, that sounds great. it's just that the page to start the fullscreen widgets is http://m.mojocafe.net - that is a simple html redirecting the user depending on his/her screen resolution. and at the moment i do not offer 640x480 but maybe i could scale the 800x600 mojos down. |
| 19:11.26 | mojocafe | is it possible to rotate the screen with the device ? |
| 19:12.11 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: it is, but for some users the device starts to emit high-pitch sound :) |
| 19:13.32 | mojocafe | PaulFertser, sorry for my bad english - did not catch up with the last sentence. what do you mean? |
| 19:13.40 | lindi- | mojocafe: is the source for your flash program available somewhere? |
| 19:14.49 | mojocafe | no. you want it ? |
| 19:15.11 | lindi- | mojocafe: how can I know without seeing it first? ;) |
| 19:16.18 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: it is possible to rotate the screen |
| 19:16.25 | mojocafe | lindi-, sorry i do not understand that :( ... the source itself is not so complex as it is just a simple "time" script taht you can find in several tutorials round the net. |
| 19:16.39 | mojocafe | PaulFertser, you mean within the mojo / widget !? |
| 19:17.04 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: no, i mean in hardware |
| 19:17.44 | mojocafe | PaulFertser, i do not know as i do not own a neo or other openmoko device running openmoko. |
| 19:18.50 | PaulFertser | mojocafe: i do know and i'm telling you that |
| 19:19.04 | mojocafe | PaulFertser, ah sorry :D |
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| 19:20.12 | mojocafe | lindi-, could you try to call the url i mentioned above and tell me if you see the animation 1? |
| 19:20.18 | mojocafe | 1? = !? |
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| 20:00.01 | djp` | hi all. do i have an issue with my headphone socket? if i plug my headphones jack fully it only plays out of one ear piece. if i don't push it in fully but find a certain position, it plays out of both ear pieces. is this a faulty headset socket or expected? |
| 20:00.28 | lindi- | djp`: what headset? |
| 20:01.18 | djp` | lindi, well i'm using a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter along with a pair of beyerdynamics headphones |
| 20:01.27 | slaxxer | would that be the headset that came with the moko? |
| 20:01.49 | djp` | slaxxer, nope. didn't get a headset with my moko |
| 20:01.58 | lindi- | djp`: wrong pinout then |
| 20:02.03 | PaulFertser | djp`: exactly |
| 20:02.12 | PaulFertser | djp`: read about pinout on the wiki |
| 20:02.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lindi-: djp` yep, exactly |
| 20:02.32 | djp` | thanks all |
| 20:02.36 | lindi- | i too would like to hear audio from both ears :) |
| 20:02.40 | slaxxer | what brand adapter did u purchase? |
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| 20:03.04 | djp` | slaxxer, it was a cheapo from maplins |
| 20:03.07 | lindi- | my user page lists it i think, some totally cheap |
| 20:04.25 | djp` | it does work, but i can't insert it fully... anyway, off to read about pinout on the wiki as suggested by PaulFertser |
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| 20:15.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | djp`: if you think your hp *works* when not inserted completely, then you're probably wrong |
| 20:15.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | chances are you get one mono channel on both sides of headset |
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| 20:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | djp`: first of all: is your speaker deactivated when you insert headsaet? |
| 20:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | if not, you got problems with hs/speaker switching of your distro. An adapter won't help then, no matter which pinout |
| 20:35.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: he's obviously doing a wrong thing, why do you bother so much? O_o |
| 20:41.25 | messerting | Anyone here running Android? |
| 20:41.58 | messerting | I've been thinking about using the Freerunner as a fancy remote control for MythTV, and see there is mythdroid available for that |
| 20:42.30 | PaulFertser | messerting: there's a special channel for android on openmoko, you might have more luck there |
| 20:43.27 | messerting | PaulFertser: ok, thanks |
| 20:43.46 | mojocafe | ok. thanks a lot for your help guys. see you later. |
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| 20:43.58 | messerting | #freerunner-android, found it |
| 20:45.46 | djp` | yep... i bought the wrong one. maplin sell a 2.5 4-pole plug to 3.5mm stereo socket smartphone headphone adaptor. that's what i should have bought. doh! |
| 20:46.26 | djp` | (back to maplin tommorrow :)) |
| 20:48.22 | PaulFertser | djp`: how do you tell if the pinout of the other one is correct? |
| 20:50.45 | djp` | PaulFertser: does the 4-pole mean it's 4-rings? |
| 20:50.50 | PaulFertser | djp`: it does |
| 20:50.58 | PaulFertser | djp`: but it says nothing about the pin-out! |
| 20:51.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: (bother) to make sure I don't give wrong advice - his adapter might be correct but amp hp-switch not set correctly |
| 20:51.48 | djp` | PaulFertser: hmm. |
| 20:52.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: nobody's adapter is correct unless he knows proper pinout by heart ;) |
| 20:53.07 | djp` | PaulFertser: i have no idea what the pinout is... |
| 20:53.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | djp`: a for-pin-connector (paul: lol) has to let tip open, and connect 2.&3 contact to tip&2.contact of a 3-pin |
| 20:54.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | gnd remains gnd (aka sleeve, base) |
| 20:54.45 | Defiant- | djp`: I went to conrad and bought the parts I needed for that |
| 20:55.59 | djp` | DocScrutinizer-8: thanks. i've taken a look at the diagram on the wiki also. |
| 20:59.19 | PaulFertser | djp`: 4-pin connector: mic(tip), right, left, GND; regular 3-pin headphones: left(tip), right, GND. So don't forget to cross the wires or you'll get reversed stereo. |
| 21:01.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: what's the problem? just rotate the headphone then ;-P |
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| 21:02.02 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: not all of them a symmetric, imagine a pair with the handle going over one's neck or back side of the head ;) |
| 21:02.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | tbh I hardly ever knew anybody that noticed left/right swap on stereo |
| 21:02.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: "" we are jORK, resistance is futile"" |
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| 21:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=xGkGvQIMgFA 0:40 |
| 21:19.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: oh, had to view the second time to understand it's headphones, not some kind of futuristic soldier equipment :) |
| 21:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's why he says "We are BROT, resistance is futile" (Wir sind Brot, Widerstand ist zwecklos) |
| 21:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | (Brot == bread) |
| 21:22.21 | PaulFertser | Ah, i didn't understand a word :) |
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| 21:28.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Bernd the Bread is a very famous almost legendary character of German children TV. Always depressive and pessimistic. This particular movie is a pun on the usual night fake on private TV, and poor Bernd was pressed into a contract so he has to stand there and tell "DO NOT call!!". Quite funny |
| 21:30.41 | PaulFertser | 222EUR/sec is nice price :D |
| 21:31.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | every detail is a sarcastic pun on those call-in TV late nite fakes (dunno any better word for that) |
| 21:34.41 | PaulFertser | It became popular on our tv channels like 2 years ago. I can't say about now since i'm not watching tv any more (at least at home). |
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| 23:03.36 | Infoport | have others had "No Service" using current SHR? I can't seem to get service anymore |
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| 23:08.42 | max_posedon | sometimes simple reboot helps |
| 23:11.09 | Infoport | max_posedon I've tried a reboot many times already, but I haven't gotten service back |
| 23:12.26 | max_posedon | so, try look at logs |
| 23:12.33 | Infoport | although I *did* just opkg upgrade, so many it will work after *this* reboot |
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| 23:32.19 | fredrin | Infoport: sometimes you have too search for operators in the settings -> phone part |
| 23:32.30 | Infoport | haven't read thru dmesg all yet, but found an error in ophonekitd's log -- dbus not available |
| 23:32.37 | fredrin | the gsm regestering takes too long and times out |
| 23:32.39 | fredrin | my guess |
| 23:33.07 | fredrin | ad hoc version |
| 23:33.26 | fredrin | Black Sabbath FTW btw :) |
| 23:34.10 | Infoport | in settings -> phone gsm modem was not on, if I turn it on it goes back off when I re-enter, complains ophonekitd is not running. the log showed dbus not available |
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| 23:34.17 | max_posedon | not avaible dbus is really bad |
| 23:35.15 | Infoport | yep. still don't have a solution, but I guess that puts some light on the problem |
| 23:36.05 | Infoport | wow, it just tries over and over in the log |
| 23:37.32 | max_posedon | check, does framework started? |
| 23:39.21 | Infoport | max_posedon: check in dmesg? in processes? |
| 23:39.55 | max_posedon | in processes |
| 23:40.55 | Infoport | python /usr/bin/frameworkd |
| 23:43.07 | Infoport | it also showed ophonekitd, but when I went into Settings->phone, again gsm antenna off, turn on and re-enter gives a msg that ophonekitd not running |
| 23:43.45 | Infoport | now ophonekitd is definitely not in processes |
| 23:45.33 | Infoport | I guess I could reflash, or flash in QTMoko, but that seems like acepting defeat |
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| 23:55.25 | Infoport | I seem to have dbus-daemon, dbus-launch, and dbus-daemon again all running |
| 23:59.19 | Infoport | oh well, SHR fails for me for now. guess I'll try QTMoko until I can get back to this. gotta go rack some beer off into a keg |