| 00:08.43 | Cristianpark | It works quite right.....I have wallpaper image now |
| 00:09.18 | Cristianpark | if someone wants to do this, the line that says: edje_cc $@ -id . -fd . cloudedsunset.edc -o CloudedSunset.edj |
| 00:10.55 | Cristianpark | worked for me this way: edje_cc-id . -fd . cloudedsunset.edc -o CloudedSunset.edj (with the .png image and the .edc file in the same directory). And for Arch users: the package to install is edje-svn instead of edje-utils |
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| 00:16.11 | Cristianpark | And for making things even easier for everyone. I uploaded two of these images (Ink-3 and Ink-6) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork on mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?j2nznlwzhje |
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| 00:16.52 | Cristianpark | To use it, just put them in: /usr/share/enlightenment/data/backgrounds |
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| 00:24.44 | ndnihil | why bother re-hosting them? |
| 00:25.00 | DocMobilizer | huh |
| 00:25.16 | ndnihil | 19:16 < Cristianpark> And for making things even easier for everyone. I |
| 00:25.16 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.16 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.16 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.21 | ndnihil | ^that |
| 00:25.34 | DocMobilizer | aah |
| 00:26.08 | DocMobilizer | despite spammig my FR screen I gottit |
| 00:26.18 | ndnihil | doh |
| 00:26.39 | ndnihil | I retired my FR as a phone |
| 00:26.52 | ndnihil | going to repurpose it for a car computer |
| 00:27.03 | DocMobilizer | phone?? |
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| 00:27.09 | ndnihil | only downside is the crap wifi |
| 00:27.17 | DocMobilizer | irc!=phone |
| 00:27.28 | ndnihil | wasnt referring to your IRC usage |
| 00:27.33 | ndnihil | just a general comment |
| 00:28.17 | DocMobilizer | irc==gprs==lita on disconnect |
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| 00:28.38 | DocMobilizer | pita |
| 00:29.03 | Cristianpark | ndnihil: Maybe you misunderstand me, I uploaded them as .edj files to put right into your FR |
| 00:29.19 | ndnihil | any idea where I can pick up some very flat mini-usb(b?) cables? |
| 00:29.49 | ndnihil | Cristianpark: ah, I thought you just re-hosted the png files |
| 00:30.01 | DocMobilizer | flat??? |
| 00:30.06 | ndnihil | yes, very flat |
| 00:30.17 | ndnihil | 90 degree type head |
| 00:30.19 | DocMobilizer | hat? |
| 00:30.33 | Cristianpark | ndnihil: I think that I was clear |
| 00:30.39 | DocMobilizer | what? the cable? |
| 00:30.46 | ndnihil | the end on the cable |
| 00:31.02 | ndnihil | I want to mount it on a sliding carriage in the car (so it can retract into dash) |
| 00:31.09 | DocMobilizer | read wiki |
| 00:31.12 | ndnihil | but having a USB cable sticking out is kinda tacky |
| 00:31.26 | ndnihil | wiki covers flat headed cables? |
| 00:31.39 | ndnihil | perhaps it's far more thorough than I thought |
| 00:31.52 | DocMobilizer | there's ref to 90deg iirc |
| 00:33.09 | ndnihil | all the 90 degree ends ive seen stick out just as much as the straight ends do |
| 00:33.36 | DocMobilizer | hmpf |
| 00:33.53 | DocMobilizer | google is ur friend |
| 00:34.00 | ndnihil | yeah, been there |
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| 00:35.06 | ndnihil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370182634814 |
| 00:35.13 | ndnihil | that style is the flattest I've found so far |
| 00:35.44 | ndnihil | cutting that in half and terminating in a pigtail is what I'm after |
| 00:36.03 | ndnihil | (half by height as it would stick out of the phone) |
| 00:36.09 | DocMobilizer | wont check that iurl now, with fsckng midori ;) |
| 00:36.10 | Cristianpark | anyone has tried install wicd on the FR? it's good? |
| 00:36.18 | ndnihil | yeah, fuck midori |
| 00:37.58 | ndnihil | hrm, I guess if its going to be permanently mounted in the car, I could just remove the internal usb connector and solder the pigtail straight to the board |
| 00:38.46 | DocMobilizer | ouuuch |
| 00:39.57 | DocMobilizer | the schematics are @home. won't disassemble this dev now for better advice |
| 00:40.30 | ndnihil | I'm more "thinking out loud" than "in the process of doing shit" right now |
| 00:40.52 | ndnihil | work is sending me a CDMA blackberry (no more free unlimited data plan for the FR) |
| 00:41.02 | ndnihil | so it's getting phased out of normal use |
| 00:41.09 | ndnihil | and I dont want it to sit around collecting dust |
| 00:41.29 | ndnihil | and figure hell, it's a small computer, with built in UPS, wifi, GPS, etc... |
| 00:42.07 | ndnihil | stick it in the car, instead of using one of these micro-itx boxes |
| 00:42.39 | ndnihil | much less of a footprint, less power draw |
| 00:42.40 | DocMobilizer | ping me next week how to tweak to decent "oem" device ;) |
| 00:43.00 | ndnihil | ooh |
| 00:43.02 | ndnihil | yes will do |
| 00:43.25 | ndnihil | oh, another thing I want to do with it, is use the accelerometers as a dyno |
| 00:43.30 | ndnihil | kinda like that iphone app |
| 00:43.48 | DocMobilizer | dyno? huh? |
| 00:43.53 | ndnihil | dynamometer |
| 00:43.59 | ndnihil | not a proper one mind you |
| 00:44.05 | DocMobilizer | dunno |
| 00:44.15 | ndnihil | but you take the signal from the accels, factor in weight of the car, etc... |
| 00:44.23 | DocMobilizer | pls rephrase |
| 00:44.45 | ndnihil | floor it, and use the measurements to work out how much power the car makes |
| 00:45.07 | ndnihil | 0-60 times, etc.. |
| 00:45.11 | DocMobilizer | aah |
| 00:45.29 | DocMobilizer | thats easy |
| 00:45.39 | ndnihil | never done it before |
| 00:45.41 | ndnihil | but it sounds like fun |
| 00:45.51 | DocMobilizer | yo |
| 00:46.17 | ndnihil | most I've done with accels is try to make a two wheeled robot keep from falling over |
| 00:46.48 | ndnihil | and that failed due to a poorly implemented subsitute for a kalmann filter |
| 00:46.52 | DocMobilizer | seen that at 25c3 |
| 00:47.20 | ndnihil | I think the servos I was using on the wheels were also a bit slow for that application |
| 00:47.55 | DocMobilizer | need grunt |
| 00:49.14 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 00:49.21 | ndnihil | I was just using spare parts that were laying around |
| 00:51.00 | DocMobilizer | i guess those guys ar 25c3 used gyro as well |
| 00:51.12 | tim_abell | Cristianpark, hipitihop, did you guys resolve your upgrade issues? I had the same problem |
| 00:51.21 | ndnihil | I was just using one axis of a two axis accel |
| 00:51.42 | DocMobilizer | wait 24h |
| 00:51.59 | DocMobilizer | it'sweekend |
| 00:52.13 | tim_abell | i found discussion at the end of http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-prev.txt |
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| 00:52.28 | tim_abell | and was wondering whether they knew anything interesting |
| 00:53.36 | DocMobilizer | WwTF?! /me joined at home while i'm at pub?!? |
| 00:54.12 | tim_abell | oh is that why you have two nics |
| 00:54.19 | ndnihil | auto-reconnecting client? |
| 00:55.01 | DocMobilizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.15 | DocMobilizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.19 | DocMobilizer | even |
| 00:57.22 | DocMobilizer | tim_abell: actually 3 |
| 00:58.15 | DocMobilizer | DocScrutinizer-8 still missing to reregister ;-D |
| 00:59.28 | DocMobilizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.17 | DocMobilizer | main is konversation, takes 3min |
| 01:01.21 | DocMobilizer | DocMobilizer is GPRS and so totally independent |
| 01:02.33 | DocMobilizer | ~botsnack |
| 01:02.33 | apt | thanks, DocMobilizer |
| 01:02.44 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 01:03.44 | DocMobilizer | ~tell ndnihil i'm a robot |
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| 01:04.34 | DocMobilizer | heh, 11min expired |
| 01:06.17 | DocMobilizer | strange watching myself joining IRC... XD |
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| 01:07.32 | DocMobilizer | ndnihil: you're "invalid target" according to apt ;-D |
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| 01:09.17 | DocMobilizer | ho Sharwin_F |
| 01:09.25 | ndnihil | hah |
| 01:09.38 | ndnihil | s/hah/hahah/ |
| 01:09.48 | ndnihil | hrm, still finds me there |
| 01:12.12 | DocMobilizer | pubs are kinda sad when everybody's swamped and last song and light lop up :-/ |
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| 01:12.38 | ndnihil | yeah, the light shows everyone what a sorry state they've gotten themselves into |
| 01:12.59 | DocMobilizer | hehehe |
| 01:13.42 | ndnihil | it also helps people out |
| 01:13.46 | DocMobilizer | i dont need light for that, i feel when awaking |
| 01:13.48 | ndnihil | "I'm going home with -what-???" |
| 01:14.18 | DocMobilizer | XD |
| 01:14.54 | DocMobilizer | i'm the geek with icehockey puck |
| 01:15.00 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 01:15.23 | ndnihil | rumor is, geeks are "in" |
| 01:15.40 | DocMobilizer | tell me more |
| 01:15.53 | ndnihil | saw an interview with megan fox, she digs geeks |
| 01:16.07 | DocMobilizer | nah, tell that chick over there |
| 01:16.21 | ndnihil | put her on, I'll tell her |
| 01:16.37 | DocMobilizer | hehehehe |
| 01:16.49 | ndnihil | "hey baby, want to irc on my freerunner?" |
| 01:16.56 | ndnihil | ^winning pickup line |
| 01:17.19 | hipitihop | tim_abell: sorry not I did not and I have not yet gone back to it. |
| 01:17.23 | DocMobilizer | when i approach her with FR, she runs |
| 01:17.27 | tim_abell | ta hipitihop |
| 01:18.08 | hipitihop | tim_abell: did you want me to check something ? |
| 01:18.48 | DocMobilizer | no WCF for FR :-/ |
| 01:19.04 | ndnihil | wcf? |
| 01:19.31 | DocMobilizer | womens compliance factor |
| 01:19.37 | ndnihil | ah |
| 01:19.46 | ndnihil | actually, that's not entirely true |
| 01:19.57 | ndnihil | this chick at a best buy tried to pick me up |
| 01:20.01 | ndnihil | and the FR played a part |
| 01:20.24 | tim_abell | hipitihop: nothing springs to mind. i'm distinctly in the user camp at the mo |
| 01:20.31 | ndnihil | her opening line was about my tshirt (it read "I void warranties") |
| 01:20.31 | DocMobilizer | yeah, we got a few of those rare species here |
| 01:20.49 | ndnihil | but when I asked about earbuds for the FR (she worked there) |
| 01:20.52 | ndnihil | she about wet herself |
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| 01:21.25 | ndnihil | even called one of her co-workers over to check it out |
| 01:21.46 | DocMobilizer | earbuds?? |
| 01:21.47 | tim_abell | ndnihil: perhaps you are just good looking :) then you can be as much of a geek as you like |
| 01:21.52 | ndnihil | yeah, headphones |
| 01:22.06 | DocMobilizer | aah |
| 01:22.33 | ndnihil | tim_abell: I'm not horrible looking, some even say kinda cute, but typically its older women and younger women that "dig" me |
| 01:23.08 | ndnihil | women my age seem to find me a bit of a hassle |
| 01:23.23 | ndnihil | current gf is 10 years 1 day younger than I am |
| 01:23.47 | DocMobilizer | a friend of mine and his GF both have toughbooks and do a lot of ebaying. She refuses to use FR though |
| 01:23.48 | ndnihil | been with her for 3 years or so |
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| 01:25.39 | DocMobilizer | or so?? save that until these 3y are<5% of ur livetime |
| 01:26.27 | ndnihil | only 34 here |
| 01:26.46 | DocMobilizer | *i*ve been with OM for 2y or so |
| 01:27.28 | DocMobilizer | youngsters... pffh |
| 01:31.21 | DocMobilizer | ok, have to admit i dunno how long the episode with GF lasted when I was 30 |
| 01:31.47 | DocMobilizer | some 4 y |
| 01:34.43 | DocMobilizer | and 3y * 100 / 5 isn't my actual age, luckily |
| 01:37.30 | DocMobilizer | though that doesnt change I feel it was, sometimes |
| 01:38.49 | ndnihil | you're only as old as your girlfriends :) |
| 01:39.01 | DocMobilizer | hehe |
| 01:39.25 | DocMobilizer | so i'm ageless atm. good |
| 01:40.11 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5646 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/ (INFO STATUS mkloe sc70-5.fpd): added SC70-5 footprint |
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| 01:47.09 | tim_abell | sigh, no phone capability due to broken upgrade. guess i'll reflash and not do the upgrade this time like you said |
| 01:47.49 | tim_abell | i have ringtones that don't make me cringe now which is an improvement |
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| 02:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | yo, DSL had an inadverted downtime 90min ago (probably they did some service on backbone rack, they always do this on weekend nights :-/). GPRS anyway disconnected 30min ago, without a notice (operator says they do a forced disconnect every 24h), and FR didn't manage to reconnect. It not even was able to do a manual disconnect/reconnect without framework completely freezing... :-/ |
| 02:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | so seeya folks, that's it for today |
| 02:16.46 | tim_abell | nite |
| 02:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | tim_abell: yeah, do a fresh flash, don't do upgrade. Ask in #*-cdevel if they fixed the issue before doing next upgrade |
| 02:18.33 | tim_abell | reflash completed :) |
| 02:18.40 | tim_abell | just rebooting it |
| 02:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | works? |
| 02:18.53 | tim_abell | ta for your guidance |
| 02:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | version? |
| 02:19.10 | tim_abell | um latest available, just for kicks |
| 02:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
| 02:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | guess 0906 |
| 02:20.15 | tim_abell | not sure, the file was full-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 02:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02 still is on 0906, yes |
| 02:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | full? duh! |
| 02:20.52 | tim_abell | ? |
| 02:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | oh yeah |
| 02:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | there's a full image even of 0906 |
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| 02:21.46 | tim_abell | presumably what i grabbed is a symlink to shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090906-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 02:21.55 | AntonTakk | there an image that can be used as a daily phone now? |
| 02:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | prolly |
| 02:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | check file dates |
| 02:22.15 | tim_abell | looks the same |
| 02:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | AntonTakk: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02 latest |
| 02:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | don't upgrade! |
| 02:23.00 | AntonTakk | any screenshots available? |
| 02:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's borked today |
| 02:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:23.20 | tim_abell | woo, it rang this time |
| 02:23.23 | tim_abell | much better |
| 02:23.36 | tim_abell | yeah, don't upgrade today AntonTakk! :-D |
| 02:23.45 | tim_abell | speaks from experience |
| 02:24.06 | AntonTakk | last time i touched my fr i was writing my own ui in C :-p |
| 02:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | AntonTakk: install it and get live screenshots ;-) |
| 02:24.20 | tim_abell | reflash with shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090906-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin seems to be ok to me |
| 02:24.21 | AntonTakk | it's been months |
| 02:24.31 | tim_abell | just done it |
| 02:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | 0906 should wok |
| 02:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | work |
| 02:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | 0808 known good anyway |
| 02:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | today ugrade seems orked |
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| 02:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | so don't do that |
| 02:26.31 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 02:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 02:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | have t do some unpaid wok in 5 hours |
| 02:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | work |
| 02:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?? |
| 02:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | rrrrrr |
| 02:28.32 | tim_abell | lol, thanks againn |
| 02:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | what for? |
| 02:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | enjoy 0906 |
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| 02:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | pester mrmoku @ #openmoko-cdevel to fix the upgrade IMMEDIATELY |
| 02:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | have a nice wekend |
| 02:31.37 | tim_abell | byeeee |
| 02:32.06 | AntonTakk | looks like shr has come a long way since i last looked at it |
| 02:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | U bet |
| 02:32.31 | AntonTakk | let me ask this |
| 02:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | almost usable |
| 02:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 02:33.45 | AntonTakk | if you were going on an all day trip in a car that you thought might fail, and you had both a normal consumer phone, and the fr running shr, which would you take with you? |
| 02:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | let aside an occasional megabork on upgrade, and such minor neglectabilities like gprs hangs frameworkd on disconnect |
| 02:35.13 | AlexC | I'm trying to connect to my freerunner via wifi, but ssh says there is no route to host |
| 02:35.30 | AlexC | i set up dropbear like the wiki said |
| 02:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | probably FR with a known good SHR immage, to check in inzternet how to fix it |
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| 02:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | image even |
| 02:38.35 | AlexC | now it says connection refused |
| 02:38.54 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5647 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/ (INFO STATUS mkloe sc70-5.fpd vssop8.fpd): |
| 02:38.54 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - added VSSOP8 footprint |
| 02:38.54 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - changed pin1 marker of SC70-5 footprint |
| 02:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | if I had an opportunity to get the bestpaid job of my live, if only I answer the phone in maybe 20h when they call me, I would always bet on the consumer phone |
| 02:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | AntonTakk: let me put it this way: from FR i even make a new ignition-controller as I know the schematics by heart. So if it was for the car->FR. For doing reliable phonecalls, I'd charge my 9Y old nokia ;-) |
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| 02:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | AlexC: there's 202 users in this channel, including some bots and assholes like me who are registered under 3 names. Don't expect an answer in 5 minutes every arbitrary time of day ;-) |
| 02:57.05 | AlexC | :) |
| 03:04.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | AlexC: a lot of FR users are Europe TZ. it's Saturday morning 5AM here |
| 03:06.07 | roh | yap. it is |
| 03:06.28 | roh | just came back from a illegal outdoor party in a public parc in berlin. |
| 03:06.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lol... ROH! |
| 03:06.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | :-) |
| 03:07.07 | roh | atleast the police said it was illegal. luckily it wasnt the same police which sent us home in the other parc earlier |
| 03:07.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | starts to ponder moving to Berlin, just like he did so many times before |
| 03:07.24 | roh | too much 'schwabenpack' in berlin nowadays |
| 03:10.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | n8, have a date to """install""" a dsl-wlan-router in 4h |
| 03:11.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | in a pub ;-) |
| 03:12.02 | dns53 | what was the question you where asking? |
| 03:12.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | who? |
| 03:14.08 | dns53 | no idea, i just flipped back to this channel |
| 03:15.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dns53: the question was: if I move to Berlin, do you pay my flat and have a nice job for me? |
| 03:16.14 | roh | i already got a flat ... got paid work? |
| 03:16.18 | roh | ;) |
| 03:16.20 | dns53 | aah |
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| 03:51.01 | hipitihop | noticed today shr-u upgrade still fails with "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: * libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9) |
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| 06:04.38 | ndnihil | holycrap |
| 06:04.51 | ndnihil | for the first time ever, I got the FR connected to my home wifi |
| 06:04.58 | ndnihil | had to open it up completely |
| 06:05.01 | ndnihil | but it's connected |
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| 07:30.34 | ndnihil | WOOTFLAKES |
| 07:30.41 | ndnihil | I'm not sure how |
| 07:30.43 | ndnihil | or why |
| 07:30.57 | ndnihil | but it's now connected to home wifi encrypted! |
| 07:31.17 | ndnihil | I rebuilt the hostapd config, but all the relevant parts are the same as they were before |
| 07:31.23 | ndnihil | has to be something small/simple |
| 07:31.29 | ndnihil | that was keeping it from working |
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| 07:45.44 | brolin_ | Is it normal for QtMoko to be borked on the first boot? :( |
| 07:47.42 | brolin_ | Having a working handheld Debian Linux computer + phone would be *so* cool! I will be able to run Vim on my phone! :D |
| 07:48.12 | brolin_ | As usual, if you have to ask why, you are not part of the intended audience! :D |
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| 07:50.13 | D3M0 | ciao a tutti |
| 07:51.16 | brolin_ | D3M0: You will be assimilated by the global hegemony of the English language! ;) |
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| 09:07.08 | PaulFertser | brolin_: have you considered using Debian which already has FSO in the repos instead of qtmoko? |
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| 09:15.52 | ndnihil | Paul! |
| 09:16.01 | ndnihil | I -finally- got this thing connected to my home wifi |
| 09:16.18 | ndnihil | and vpn'd in now too |
| 09:16.29 | ndnihil | getting some odd messages on the AP host |
| 09:16.43 | ndnihil | ath_fatal_tasklet: Hardware error; resetting |
| 09:16.46 | ndnihil | seems to work though |
| 09:18.46 | brolin_ | PaulFertser: No. QtMoko uses Debian Linux 5.0, though. silvio (a German guy) is helping me in #qtmoko, though. |
| 09:19.27 | PaulFertser | brolin_: why don't you want plain Debian? |
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| 09:19.46 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: congratulations :D |
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| 09:19.58 | brolin_ | PaulFertser: I decided to try QtMoko because it appeared to be popular on the Openmoko community mailing list and because the screenshots looked cool. :) |
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| 09:20.24 | brolin_ | And because the table on the QtMoko home page showed most things working. |
| 09:22.01 | brolin_ | PaulFertser: What is the advantage of plain Debian over QtMoko? |
| 09:23.30 | brolin_ | PaulFertser: My ssh connection from Cygwin on Windows Vista to QtMoko on my FR appears to work fine except for being unable to connect because the connection timed out the first time I ran ssh in Cygwin. The ssh connection from Cygwin on Windows Vista to SHR-U on my FR was very unresponsive. |
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| 09:35.55 | PBeck | hi |
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| 09:49.30 | PaulFertser | brolin_: probably that has something to do with the fact SHR unstable uses dropbear, not opensshd. I'm not sure what qtmoko uses. |
| 09:50.46 | ndnihil | any idea where mokonnect keeps its config? |
| 09:50.56 | ndnihil | lsof shows nothing |
| 09:51.03 | ndnihil | so it's not kept open |
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| 10:42.19 | ndnihil | bangs his head against the wall |
| 10:42.25 | ndnihil | all this |
| 10:42.28 | ndnihil | to be stopped now |
| 10:42.40 | D3M0 | hi all |
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| 10:44.46 | ndnihil | opened and reconfigured AP, got FR to connect, added crypto to AP, got FR to connect, set up VPN, and now it will only reach the internal network |
| 10:44.50 | ndnihil | not public network |
| 10:45.01 | ndnihil | laptop using exact same config can get anywhere fine |
| 10:45.57 | ndnihil | no iptables rules on FR |
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| 11:13.30 | brolin_ | PaulFertser: QtMoko v10 uses the Debian openssh-server package. |
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| 11:51.44 | ndnihil | mornin doc |
| 11:51.46 | ndnihil | hows the head? |
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| 11:53.09 | silvio | hi all |
| 11:53.24 | silvio | can anyone help me? ... |
| 11:53.33 | dns53 | perhaps |
| 11:53.33 | ndnihil | possibly |
| 11:53.40 | silvio | i have in a dir the expat-libs: |
| 11:53.47 | silvio | zwielicht% ls ../rootfs/usr/lib/*expat* |
| 11:54.03 | silvio | ../rootfs/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 ../rootfs/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.5.2 ../rootfs/usr/lib/libexpatw.so.1 ../rootfs/usr/lib/libexpatw.so.1.5.2 |
| 11:54.16 | silvio | but i get with this line a not found: |
| 11:54.23 | silvio | arm-linux-gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -L../rootfs/usr/lib conftest.c -lexpat |
| 11:54.39 | silvio | the failure is: /opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lexpat |
| 11:54.42 | silvio | what is wrong? |
| 11:54.52 | ndnihil | probably wrong version, or missing link |
| 11:55.48 | ndnihil | ie: it's expecting to find libexpat.so.1.5.2.123, but there are only links to libexpat.so.1.5.2 |
| 11:55.51 | ndnihil | etc.. |
| 11:56.26 | silvio | hmm, with -lexpat he should find all libexpat's or not? |
| 11:56.50 | silvio | how can i select the expat-version? |
| 11:57.07 | silvio | more general: how can i select a library version? |
| 11:57.35 | ndnihil | well, to start, are you sure that ../rootfs/usr/lib/ is in the include path? |
| 11:57.49 | ndnihil | (or whatever the relevant path is) |
| 11:59.24 | silvio | with -L it is in the path, or not? |
| 12:00.29 | Heinervdm | isn't it -I? |
| 12:00.40 | Heinervdm | capital i |
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| 12:01.09 | silvio | i dont need -I to check up if exits the libs, or? |
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| 12:02.22 | silvio | my prog is very short, and i need no include: |
| 12:02.30 | silvio | char XML_ParserCreate (); |
| 12:02.32 | silvio | int |
| 12:02.34 | silvio | main () |
| 12:02.36 | silvio | { |
| 12:02.38 | silvio | return XML_ParserCreate (); |
| 12:02.40 | silvio | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.42 | silvio | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.44 | silvio | } |
| 12:02.46 | silvio | i make a forward-deklaration |
| 12:04.24 | silvio | ahhhh |
| 12:04.29 | silvio | i use the wrong compiler |
| 12:04.33 | silvio | shit |
| 12:04.36 | silvio | sorry |
| 12:05.15 | silvio | sorry for the noise |
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| 12:06.09 | dns53 | pastebin.ubuntu.com (or another like service) |
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| 12:22.47 | silvio | what is the default crosstoolchain for the projects? /opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi or /usr/local/openmoko/arm ? |
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| 14:19.49 | panicking | PaulFertser, Hi I read the emai about the rtc |
| 14:20.04 | panicking | so the rtc can switch on the device when is power-off? |
| 14:20.16 | panicking | I was thinking that it can only resume it |
| 14:20.17 | lindi- | panicking: yes. |
| 14:20.28 | PaulFertser | panicking: sure |
| 14:20.29 | lindi- | panicking: ah no |
| 14:20.34 | lindi- | panicking: i don't know about the last part |
| 14:20.35 | PaulFertser | panicking: ah, off? |
| 14:20.44 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm not really sure, i need to check |
| 14:20.58 | panicking | Where I can read the documentation |
| 14:20.59 | panicking | about it |
| 14:21.00 | panicking | ? |
| 14:21.15 | panicking | I'm moving on the latest kernel |
| 14:21.27 | panicking | take care to clean up the patches of openwrt |
| 14:21.31 | panicking | is it possible |
| 14:21.33 | panicking | to create |
| 14:21.41 | panicking | a cleanup repository |
| 14:21.47 | panicking | and a branch for openmok |
| 14:21.54 | panicking | based to the latest linux kernel |
| 14:21.56 | panicking | in openmoko |
| 14:21.57 | panicking | ? |
| 14:22.26 | PaulFertser | panicking: read pcf50633 datasheet |
| 14:22.27 | lindi- | panicking: i understood that that's what openwrt has done and that's what larsc and weiss at least are working on with git.openmoko.org too? |
| 14:22.35 | PaulFertser | panicking: larsc is at it |
| 14:23.22 | panicking | Maybe depend in how it is connected too |
| 14:23.23 | panicking | the rtc |
| 14:23.46 | panicking | Because the poweon depend if the rtc is a circuit connected to the power on of the gta02 |
| 14:23.52 | panicking | is not only the datasheet |
| 14:24.47 | lindi- | panicking: schematics? |
| 14:25.09 | panicking | Yes I will download, I ask just if somenthing know that |
| 14:25.12 | panicking | in the irc channel |
| 14:25.24 | panicking | I must go |
| 14:25.27 | panicking | see you later |
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| 14:32.16 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * ra9ca54b71bdd 10/html/index.html: index.html: update opimd links |
| 14:34.40 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r4d85ea457f35 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/Makefile: PIM: add Notes files to Makefile |
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| 15:10.53 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r18763921d559 10/html/index.html: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call also handles data calls |
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| 15:19.11 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r84773f9cf7de 10/ (20 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:19.11 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.*: reorder throw statements. throw statements will appear in the interfaces |
| 15:19.11 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: in the same order as declared. Policy is to mention errors in the order of most specific to least specific. |
| 15:19.11 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Almost all functions need to declare that they throw 'org.freesmartphone'. Throwing DBus.Error will |
| 15:19.15 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: be added to the interface declaration implicitly by vala-dbus-binding-tool. |
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| 15:31.33 | mactschi | hi |
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| 16:10.48 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: mdbus: show actual dbus error message, not just the error name |
| 16:10.48 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: Release as 1.0.0 (yay!) |
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| 17:00.16 | mactschi | hi again |
| 17:01.59 | mactschi | the developers at my company are thinking about using the freerunner board as the base for a mobile device |
| 17:02.34 | mactschi | it would be nice to get a couple (about 50) PCBs for development |
| 17:02.35 | azaghal | o.o |
| 17:02.45 | azaghal | mactschi: It'll be Free? |
| 17:02.58 | mactschi | the pcbs alone are probably cheaper than the full devices, right? |
| 17:03.16 | mactschi | azaghal, what part exactly do you mean? |
| 17:03.35 | azaghal | As in being able to run Free Software on top of it without proprietary parts? |
| 17:03.42 | mactschi | the electronics that we add directly to the design - there is no way around that, isn't there? |
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| 17:05.04 | mactschi | well, we have some proprietary python code that would have to stay proprietary - but that's application code |
| 17:06.09 | mactschi | we would need to develop (or more likely: port) some drivers for usb devices, that stuff would probably have to be free, right? |
| 17:06.41 | Defiant | mactschi: no |
| 17:07.04 | mactschi | azaghal: at the moment it's just in idea. the alternative are the toradex (www.toradex.com) boards, combined with some gsm module (e.g. telit) |
| 17:07.32 | mactschi | Defiant: no to what? |
| 17:08.17 | Defiant | mactschi: you can do what you want with it. Your USB driver can be closed source |
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| 17:09.14 | mactschi | ok :-) |
| 17:10.14 | mactschi | although there's probably no reason to keep this driver closed source - if more people look at it, more things get fixed. |
| 17:10.16 | azaghal | mactschi: It'll run GNU/Linux, right? |
| 17:10.38 | azaghal | Actually... |
| 17:10.53 | azaghal | No, USB cannot be proprietary if it's linking against the kernel :) |
| 17:10.53 | mactschi | azaghal: that's the plan. win ce would also be interesting, but probably too much hazzle to port it |
| 17:11.14 | azaghal | Some might say NVidia does that, but they're bullying it out. |
| 17:11.38 | azaghal | mactschi: Best to contact an expert on the question regarding the legal things, of course :) |
| 17:11.56 | mactschi | @ usb non-proprietary: ok, as i said, doesn't matter. i don't see a reason to keep that part closed source anyway. |
| 17:12.09 | azaghal | mactschi: Will it be a cell phone or something else? |
| 17:12.32 | Defiant | you just can't use a few kernel functions with non-free software. But everything can be written |
| 17:12.33 | mactschi | as long as we can keep our python app closed. having to open source that stuff would ruin the idea. |
| 17:12.55 | Defiant | how do you keep a python app closed? Is that even possible? |
| 17:13.09 | mactschi | azaghal: not really a cell phone, but using most functions of the freerunner |
| 17:13.34 | azaghal | Defiant: Licensing and ability to read code are not the same things :) |
| 17:13.36 | mactschi | Defiant: obfuscate. it works better than i thought |
| 17:14.35 | mactschi | azaghal: that's true, but in this case it's "closed source" (no access to the source) an licensed for money |
| 17:14.45 | mactschi | ok - what about the hardware? |
| 17:15.17 | azaghal | I think OpenMoko spec's are released under some Freeish license, but you should check on wiki if you can download them and see what's the exact license. |
| 17:15.27 | mactschi | if we modify the pcb (add or remove features, change the layout, etc.), do we have to release the schematics? |
| 17:15.36 | mactschi | ok, i'll have a look |
| 17:18.32 | mactschi | is it possible to buy some PCBs somewhere? |
| 17:18.43 | mactschi | only the pcbs, without plastics |
| 17:19.09 | azaghal | Isn't that the debug board? Or am I wrong? |
| 17:19.24 | mactschi | because - maybe we could just build a simple 2-layer pcb with addon electronics, and use the same pcb as in the freerunner |
| 17:19.34 | mactschi | that would reduce prices for everyone |
| 17:19.58 | mactschi | azaghal: i mean the PCB of the freerunner phone itself |
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| 17:26.20 | mactschi | is there anyone i can ask about the pcbs? or sales@openmoko.com directly? |
| 17:27.26 | azaghal | Hm... |
| 17:27.28 | max_posedon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.46 | azaghal | mactschi: Maybe you could have luck contacting some of the distributors instead? Since Openmoko Inc. is defunct? |
| 17:28.10 | mactschi | they are defunct? O_o |
| 17:28.28 | max_posedon | as for sales... I think useless, project closed.. but you can buy a6 model for 250$ low price I think |
| 17:28.33 | mactschi | ok... so no more phones are produced? |
| 17:28.55 | SpeedEvil | blog |
| 17:29.21 | SpeedEvil | No new phones are being produced - the existing one is still in production |
| 17:29.27 | max_posedon | they have much in stock |
| 17:29.27 | max_posedon | a6 and maybe a7 |
| 17:29.27 | max_posedon | no problem yo buy |
| 17:30.36 | mactschi | ok |
| 17:33.22 | samgee | "having to open source that stuff would ruin the idea." <-- wtf? |
| 17:35.13 | mactschi | samgee: well, we have a very specialized proprietary app, with lots of development hours in it... |
| 17:35.27 | samgee | so? |
| 17:35.43 | SpeedEvil | Some things open source just doesn't work for. |
| 17:35.51 | mactschi | i don't have any problem with open sourcing _some_ of our stuff - just nothing that would give our competitors an edge ;-) |
| 17:36.21 | mactschi | SpeedEvil: exactly. |
| 17:36.31 | samgee | free software is about the users having freedom, not development resources |
| 17:37.26 | SpeedEvil | Free software doesn't always work very well if you need paid for it to eat |
| 17:38.16 | samgee | you may not get rich, but if people want it, they'll pay for it |
| 17:39.23 | mactschi | if we would make money only with hardware, we'd be bankrupt within a few months |
| 17:39.42 | mactschi | people out of jobs, no more hw or sw getting developed |
| 17:40.14 | samgee | if that software is only non-free, then there's no loss |
| 17:40.17 | samgee | there are other jobs |
| 17:41.17 | mactschi | there is a loss for the users, the developers, and the company owners. |
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| 17:41.42 | samgee | how would the users lose? |
| 17:42.08 | SpeedEvil | Not having the software. |
| 17:42.10 | mactschi | they wouldn't have _any_ software in this area |
| 17:42.13 | SpeedEvil | As it wouldn't get developed. |
| 17:42.45 | samgee | if the software is so important then it can also be developed as free software |
| 17:43.02 | SpeedEvil | samgee: some software simply isn't though |
| 17:43.26 | SpeedEvil | samgee: Please point to one continuous speech recognition package for linux that's open-source. |
| 17:43.54 | SpeedEvil | I'd be quite happy to pay for a closed-source app. There also isn't one of those. |
| 17:44.26 | samgee | hire someone to write it for you |
| 17:44.30 | samgee | or write it yourself |
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| 17:47.39 | SpeedEvil | samgee: A continuous speech recognition engine is man-decades of work. |
| 17:47.48 | SpeedEvil | Or more. |
| 17:48.30 | samgee | all the more reason to have such a big project be free |
| 17:48.44 | samgee | I wouldn't like to see that go to waste because the company goes bankrupt |
| 17:50.08 | SpeedEvil | And who funds a couple of dozen coders for a year? |
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| 17:50.19 | SpeedEvil | And the research team? |
| 17:50.31 | azaghal | The company that goes bankrupt in the end nevertheless :) |
| 17:50.40 | samgee | you and other people/companies who want the software? |
| 17:51.08 | SpeedEvil | Stuff like the linux kernel in many ways is easy. It is easily compartmentalisable, and improvements in one subsystem does not affect the other. Goals are clear, metrics are easy. |
| 17:51.27 | SpeedEvil | Voice recognition - it's not clear where your metrics are, what performance is, ... |
| 17:51.56 | SpeedEvil | Going from 1-2% accuracy doesn't help and may be counterproductive to building on this and getting 98-99% |
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| 17:52.37 | samgee | I don't see how that is a reason to take away a user's freedom |
| 17:53.42 | SpeedEvil | ... |
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| 18:19.21 | mactschi | solderside of the pcb is really nice |
| 18:19.38 | mactschi | lots of testpoints, everything labelled |
| 18:19.51 | mactschi | a developer's dream indeed :-) |
| 18:20.14 | mactschi | the "anti-nokia" |
| 18:21.00 | mactschi | "CONSOLE_RXD", "CONSOLE_TXD", i want that on my E71 :-D |
| 18:22.20 | mactschi | oh, typo |
| 18:22.30 | mactschi | "USB_DN" sould be "USB_DM" |
| 18:22.32 | mactschi | +h |
| 18:24.33 | mactschi | the board manufacturing technology is 8 layer with microvia, isn't it? :-/ |
| 18:24.44 | mactschi | (==expensive) |
| 18:25.57 | PaulFertser | mactschi: probably it's the only way with modern uBGA chips... |
| 18:28.50 | mactschi | PaulFertser: at least if you want a compact board |
| 18:29.35 | mactschi | i've seen some really ugly stuff with a PXA320 xscale on a 4 layer board once |
| 18:30.16 | mactschi | works surprizingly well, if the size of the board is not an issue, and have a metal case |
| 18:30.41 | mactschi | cheap, and still works - if size doesn't matter |
| 18:33.40 | mactschi | btw, is it possible to run maemo on the phone? |
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| 18:35.27 | PaulFertser | mactschi: it is |
| 18:35.54 | PaulFertser | mactschi: but the problem is that maemo is not free and Mer which is supposed to be a full replacement is not really ready. |
| 18:36.17 | mactschi | a thought that maemo was gpl? |
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| 18:36.31 | max_posedon | maemo itself - yes |
| 18:36.37 | mactschi | ok |
| 18:36.50 | max_posedon | (I think lgpl) |
| 18:37.05 | max_posedon | but some programs written on it - fully proprietary |
| 18:37.21 | mactschi | ok |
| 18:39.31 | PaulFertser | mactschi: there're some problems with maemo, it is not usable without proprietary components. Take a look at Mer. |
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| 18:41.58 | Mortak | hi all :) |
| 18:42.22 | mactschi | hi Mortak |
| 18:43.08 | mactschi | PaulFertser: do Mer apps run on Maemo and vice versa? |
| 18:44.02 | PaulFertser | mactschi: i guess so |
| 18:46.28 | mactschi | nice |
| 18:47.11 | mactschi | so... if nokia moves to Maemo completely in a few years... the entry barrier into the smartphone market will be hugely reduced |
| 18:47.59 | mactschi | which is why nokia is probably going to delay that step as far as possible... |
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| 19:04.13 | azaghal | mactschi: And implement a lovely piece of core proprietary system :) |
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| 19:05.24 | mactschi | azaghal, maybe, yes |
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| 20:00.04 | Fox_Muldr | is it possible to use more than just one phonenumber for one person in shr concacts? i would like to add home, mobile, work, etc numbers to one contact without creating multiple concatct entries. :) |
| 20:02.36 | Fox_Muldr | this is one of the more important features missing at the moment for me |
| 20:03.00 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: shr contacts are deprecated |
| 20:03.11 | Fox_Muldr | ehm ok |
| 20:03.20 | Fox_Muldr | so what is the replacement? :) |
| 20:03.28 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: you can use Litephone or c_c dialer or opimd-utils (test app). |
| 20:03.51 | Fox_Muldr | ok than i will try opimd-utils first. thanks for the hint |
| 20:04.22 | PaulFertser | ~opimd-utils |
| 20:04.26 | Fox_Muldr | shr messages and shr dialer are also deprecated? |
| 20:04.50 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: yes but SHR doesn't provide decent replacement yet, opimd-utils is just testing apps mostly. |
| 20:05.59 | Fox_Muldr | can i install the deprecated shr programs and maybe opimd-utils at the same time without interfering each other? |
| 20:06.20 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: well |
| 20:06.33 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: if you use opimd for SMSes you'll lose compatibility with shr messages. |
| 20:08.47 | Fox_Muldr | ok than i will deinstall all old shr apps and try opimd-utils alone. if this is not what i hope for than i will try litephone or c_c dialer. at least something to do again with my neo :) |
| 20:10.00 | Q-Master | Fox_Muldr: no need to deinstall really |
| 20:10.30 | Q-Master | you just need to make a patchwork |
| 20:10.50 | Q-Master | to receive SMSes through opimd-messages |
| 20:11.04 | Q-Master | dos1 can help |
| 20:12.45 | dos1 | Fox_Muldr: |
| 20:12.46 | dos1 | [22:12] <dos1> ~opimd-utils |
| 20:12.48 | dos1 | [22:12] <bzzbot> somebody said opimd-utils was not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. That's what dos1 said. |
| 20:12.49 | dos1 | [22:12] <dos1> ~opimd-messages |
| 20:12.51 | dos1 | [22:12] <bzzbot> it has been said that opimd-messages is crap, and that won't change soon |
| 20:13.08 | dos1 | keep it in mind when you want to use it ;) |
| 20:13.17 | Fox_Muldr | no problem. i still does not use it as my primary phone so i can live with that if something doesn't work. but so i can test what the current status of the phone aps is at the moment |
| 20:13.51 | Q-Master | 8))) |
| 20:13.58 | Fox_Muldr | maybe i should first try litephone ;) |
| 20:14.41 | Q-Master | Fox_Muldr: dont be afraid. opimd-utils are quite good. |
| 20:15.14 | Fox_Muldr | hehe |
| 20:16.03 | Q-Master | I'm using them rather long time already |
| 20:16.24 | Q-Master | just reimported my vcards to opimd |
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| 20:27.24 | azaghal | mactschi: Btw, ever considered BeagleBoard? |
| 20:28.55 | mactschi | azaghal: yes. |
| 20:29.18 | mactschi | too big, no gsm, no wlan, no bluetooth. otherwise great. |
| 20:29.29 | azaghal | Heheh, true. |
| 20:29.45 | azaghal | Actually, I never thought about it, but OpenMoko is really well packed. |
| 20:29.55 | mactschi | exactly :-) |
| 20:30.11 | mactschi | the BUG boards are also nice: http://www.buglabs.net/ (+) |
| 20:30.58 | azaghal | In fact, I wonder why they haven't tried to make a compact board and sell that as well? |
| 20:33.10 | mactschi | do you mean OM, beagle, or buglabs? |
| 20:34.37 | azaghal | OM |
| 20:34.50 | azaghal | Although, I don't know how many USB etc controllers it has. |
| 20:35.24 | mactschi | one device, one host |
| 20:35.29 | mactschi | seems ok |
| 20:36.31 | PaulFertser | mactschi: OM hoped to target very wide geek-market closer to end-users spectrum. |
| 20:39.15 | mactschi | PaulFertser: makes sense (on first thought) |
| 20:40.57 | PaulFertser | mactschi: i guess if they were smart enough to be able to actually sell enough FRs, they'd produce something like a devboard for custom projects too. But alas... |
| 20:42.35 | mactschi | well, why use a dev board, if the device is already there? |
| 20:43.12 | mactschi | i don't see the advantage, besides slightly better access to the non-wireless interfaces |
| 20:43.58 | PaulFertser | mactschi: at least they could have produced different versions for different needs by taking out unnecessary components and selling it cheaper. |
| 20:44.30 | SpeedEvil | I'd have been quite happy with a spare parts store |
| 20:45.06 | mactschi | PaulFertser: it's called "capturing the consumer surplus" |
| 20:45.13 | mactschi | </sales_guy> |
| 20:45.14 | azaghal | For example, not many people would need accelerometer. Not many would need GSM as well. |
| 20:45.18 | mactschi | <hw_dev> |
| 20:45.31 | azaghal | mactschi: You know the sales guy just went to that site which generates phrases for him :) |
| 20:45.38 | SpeedEvil | accelerometer is perhaps $1 |
| 20:45.40 | mactschi | lol |
| 20:45.47 | mactschi | yes, accelerometer is cheap |
| 20:45.52 | mactschi | gsm is more expensive |
| 20:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Screen I suspect is $50, and GSM maybe half that? |
| 20:46.13 | SpeedEvil | (in volume) |
| 20:46.13 | mactschi | SpeedEvil, but _that's_ what consumer surplus is about ;-) |
| 20:46.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 20:46.32 | mactschi | taking out the accellerometer, and selling it for 20 usd less ;-) |
| 20:46.34 | SpeedEvil | But doing multiple versions isn't free. |
| 20:46.38 | mactschi | as a "low end" model |
| 20:46.42 | azaghal | Hm... Could a DVI be put on OM? |
| 20:46.56 | SpeedEvil | However - I said at the beginning that they should sell it on ebay. |
| 20:47.11 | mactschi | doing multiple versions often brings in more money than the extra costs for marketing |
| 20:47.24 | mactschi | ...unless you confuse the customers |
| 20:47.43 | mactschi | (which is unlikely with the smarter-than-average geek crowd) |
| 20:48.03 | SpeedEvil | Doing everything as if you're going to hit mass consumer volumes on wedensday is silly. |
| 20:48.04 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:48.16 | mactschi | agreed |
| 20:48.24 | mactschi | -a |
| 20:48.28 | mactschi | jk ;-) |
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| 20:49.27 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I've commented on other channels that a xmas 2007 release of neo1973 with a bugfixed 2007.3 stack would have been plausible. - a slowish basic phone running linux. Do you think this is unreasonable? |
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| 20:51.34 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: tbh i'm not following the development since 2007, i started a year later. |
| 20:52.09 | SpeedEvil | k. |
| 20:52.49 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: it would be reasonable to use qualified EE from the beginning, that's first and the main flaw of OM it seems. |
| 20:53.13 | PaulFertser | Because too many people got over-frustrated by the stupid hardware bugs. |
| 20:53.47 | SpeedEvil | I think people concentrated too much on the stupid hardware bugs. |
| 20:54.05 | SpeedEvil | And overlooked the stupid software bugs. |
| 20:54.20 | azaghal | Hardware bugs are much harder to exterminate, though. |
| 20:54.29 | Fox_Muldr | but wasn't even gta02 still titled as a "developer" version and only the successor gta02 should be for the mass market and therefore (mostly) hardware-bug free? |
| 20:54.41 | Fox_Muldr | ehm gta03 i mean as successor |
| 20:55.21 | azaghal | Always Innovating learnt from this and decided to mark their TouchBook as final when it comes down to hardware, as an example. |
| 20:55.27 | max_posedon | gta03 is only dream now |
| 20:55.31 | azaghal | Although, they had a much easier platform to put together. |
| 20:55.47 | max_posedon | azaghal, touchbook much more simplier device than phone |
| 20:55.48 | azaghal | max_posedon: How about that Sao Paolo University (?) deal? |
| 20:55.50 | max_posedon | its bigger |
| 20:55.54 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: it looks like most people who bought gta02 can't solder even a little bit so no wonder they're afraid of hardware bugs. And some of them might be nasty enough to not be practically solvable. |
| 20:56.10 | azaghal | Agreed, I've said that. But I think they noticed general frustration with hardware changes related to OM project. |
| 20:56.29 | max_posedon | azaghal, same as gta02-core, sometimes dream become real, but it doesn't change anything |
| 20:56.33 | Fox_Muldr | i think that too many users bought the gta02 which thought that it was a final version like any other cellphone which was not the intended purpose. |
| 20:56.44 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: indeed |
| 20:56.46 | azaghal | thought that too |
| 20:57.20 | azaghal | Actually, I thought that GTA01 was really a prototype, and that hardware problems were ironed out in GTA02. |
| 20:57.26 | Fox_Muldr | and they all get the reputation of openmoko real bad as a result |
| 20:57.50 | SpeedEvil | I'm coming from the perspective that 01 works OK as a phone with recent software. |
| 20:58.05 | azaghal | I still believe that the main problem was switching to another GUI environment. |
| 20:58.08 | Defiant | PaulFertser: fixing smd parts in that size is not that easy for the usual person |
| 20:58.14 | Defiant | ...but I guess you already know that |
| 20:58.39 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.58 | slaxxer | ' |
| 20:59.17 | Fox_Muldr | i first bought my gta02 last year around end of july and i know that it wasn't a final enduser product so i was prepared for hardware and software bugs and i can live with that. but most people doesn't even bother to research the gta02 before they bought it |
| 20:59.56 | max_posedon | I don't know any person who bought neo thinking about `its final` |
| 21:00.12 | max_posedon | all know that it will be bugs |
| 21:00.14 | max_posedon | just because linux always buggy |
| 21:00.45 | Fox_Muldr | when i read some of the older messages in the mailinglist than i think that there are quite some people who thought that it was final :/ |
| 21:01.00 | SpeedEvil | It was pushed at one point as final |
| 21:01.10 | SpeedEvil | though this was considerably before release |
| 21:01.20 | max_posedon | but wiki from begging have funny table |
| 21:01.40 | max_posedon | gta01 - for kernel hackers, gta02 - for developers |
| 21:01.57 | Fox_Muldr | right but not for endusers |
| 21:02.05 | max_posedon | of course, there was some people |
| 21:02.12 | max_posedon | who don't even understand what is linux |
| 21:02.16 | azaghal | max_posedon: I didn't expect the nasty hardware bugs, to be honest :) |
| 21:02.45 | max_posedon | I didn't too, but as for now - buzzfix is not a problem |
| 21:03.10 | Fox_Muldr | yeah i did two of the three fixes myself without problems |
| 21:03.13 | max_posedon | as for bass - can be fixed via bluetooth headphones |
| 21:03.33 | max_posedon | #1024? I don't interested in deep sleep at all |
| 21:03.41 | azaghal | Actually, anyone tried to utilise buttons on the bluetooth headphones for controlling menus etc? |
| 21:03.59 | max_posedon | I'm keeping in mind some gsm-cell features that I want to be implemented |
| 21:04.02 | azaghal | max_posedon: You're not interested in suspend time of ~140 hours? |
| 21:04.05 | Fox_Muldr | since i did the 1024 fix to my neo i got quite good standby times so i think it really is worth it |
| 21:04.11 | max_posedon | nope |
| 21:04.30 | max_posedon | I'm interested in gsm-cell navigation, and place-reminders |
| 21:04.32 | azaghal | Heck, with 140 hours FR would beat the crap out of many widespread cell phones :) |
| 21:04.57 | Fox_Muldr | my last measurement was ~128 hours of standby before the battery is drained completely |
| 21:05.00 | azaghal | It would've given a good boost to OM if it had been discovered a year or so earlier. |
| 21:05.27 | max_posedon | I want my neo, when I'm at home(detect by gsm cell) connect to wifi, and notify me by jabber about charging |
| 21:05.44 | max_posedon | who cares about 140h if you have reminder?) |
| 21:06.25 | max_posedon | and its I'm, non-driver |
| 21:06.34 | max_posedon | all drivers always have charger in a car |
| 21:06.35 | Fox_Muldr | max these wanted features only requires selfmade scripts. thats the good thing with linux so where is the problem? |
| 21:06.42 | PaulFertser | Oh, btw. SpeedEvil, the wifi chip is a real disappointment. |
| 21:06.54 | azaghal | max_posedon: It might be very useful when you're busy to have such suspend time. |
| 21:07.08 | max_posedon | Fox_Muldr, it requires time, and I mainly focused on gentoo support now) |
| 21:07.28 | max_posedon | so, its little bit postponed for me. |
| 21:07.31 | Fox_Muldr | time is always a problem |
| 21:07.58 | max_posedon | azaghal, I much more interested in cpufreq patches freankly speaking |
| 21:08.07 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: the hw bugs? |
| 21:08.11 | SpeedEvil | firmware |
| 21:08.18 | max_posedon | but, I don't want argue, just try explain, why I don't care about #1024 |
| 21:08.40 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: unless we can change firmware it's exactly the same. |
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| 21:40.04 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5651 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/ (INFO STATUS mini-usb.fpd mkloe): added mini USB connector footprint |
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| 21:44.43 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: true |
| 21:50.42 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r07b35aacf8ef 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: alsa_audio: catch up with libcanberra-0.17 |
| 21:50.44 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2497004b66b4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (kernel26_display/plugin.vala kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: since dbus methods are now async, we can no longer call them as before from sync methods |
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| 22:26.38 | sebastianha | anybody knows where I can get this program? http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/a/a1/Z0ph_om2009_screen_04.png/300px-Z0ph_om2009_screen_04.png |
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