| 00:02.09 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5639 10/trunk/gta02-core/modem.sch: minor modem layout changes. |
| 00:03.31 | mjr | true |
| 00:03.38 | mjr | or insane rates for voice calls |
| 00:03.55 | Spdz | Do you think the provider receives any unique identification data about the device? Does a netbook have an IMEI #? |
| 00:04.14 | mjr | yes |
| 00:05.03 | mjr | (if it has a umts chip or similar, of course) |
| 00:05.33 | Spdz | Really?! Where is this stored? Is it hardcoded into the HDSPA modem? Or the SIM itself? |
| 00:06.42 | Spdz | duh |
| 00:06.43 | Spdz | sorry |
| 00:06.51 | Spdz | @_@ |
| 00:06.53 | Spdz | it's late |
| 00:07.30 | mjr | the device has the imei, sims have their own identification |
| 00:08.01 | mjr | (imsi) |
| 00:08.55 | Spdz | So the IMEI is effectively an equivalent to having a MAC address on a wireless/ethernet card? or is there a MAC address also? |
| 00:10.19 | mjr | pretty much, not to my knowledge |
| 00:11.22 | SpeedEvil | 'all' broadband/GPRS is basically ppp |
| 00:11.36 | SpeedEvil | (not strictly true nowadays - but still most of it) |
| 00:11.51 | mjr | yeah doesn't have to be but is |
| 00:11.57 | SpeedEvil | so you basically do a special 'atd' sequence - and it does 'connect' - and you do ppp over that link |
| 00:12.11 | SpeedEvil | this is all completely irrelevant to the 'phone' stuff |
| 00:13.02 | SpeedEvil | IMEI is the devices 'MAC' - pretty much. SIM would be your password to logon to the network. (well - keycard) |
| 00:13.34 | SpeedEvil | And then phone calls run over the network, with various protocol layers also - SMS - data calls, ... |
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| 00:28.55 | Spdz | from browsing the Wikipedia articles and from what balrog-kun was saying, it looks as though it is not completely impractical to clone a SIM. The link I put up earlier seems to imply there is some software for extracting the Ki (128 bit key hidden in the SIM) |
| 00:31.04 | Spdz | It is a fair distance over my head... |
| 00:33.05 | Spdz | gets back to trying to shell into his free runner |
| 00:33.21 | SpeedEvil | IIRC there was an earlier easier-to-crack algo |
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| 01:01.18 | mjr | "me, too"; older sims iirc were easier to crack, don't really know what's the situation now |
| 01:01.37 | mjr | your operator and possibly legislator wouldn't like it though |
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| 01:34.58 | Spdz | Obviously it is going to be illegal to crack someone else's SIM, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is legit to crack your own. |
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| 04:56.24 | johnsu01 | any advice for dealing with complaints about static on calls? |
| 05:09.19 | raster | put them in header files and expose the api calls cleanly then. |
| 05:11.37 | johnsu01 | heh |
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| 05:21.10 | johnsu01 | thinks raster thinks this is -cdevel |
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| 05:42.34 | raster | johnsu01: coding should b a prerequisite of internet licenses. in order to get on the internt u have to b able to code. properly. no coding. no internet. :) |
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| 05:46.36 | johnsu01 | but I'm talking about call quality! |
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| 05:48.24 | raster | i know that! |
| 05:48.40 | raster | 'i was taking the opportunity to have some fun and games :) |
| 05:52.37 | johnsu01 | well, header files it is then |
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| 06:07.19 | raster | :-P~ |
| 06:07.20 | raster | :)_ |
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| 07:02.10 | cz_jc | raster, you're evil XD |
| 07:02.24 | cz_jc | raster, just because you write e doesn't mean you get to lurk irc and brag people XD |
| 07:02.31 | cz_jc | raster, I switched to e btw ^^ |
| 07:05.02 | cz_jc | avoids static calls whenever possible though |
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| 07:17.22 | raster | cz_jc: hahahahahahahah |
| 07:17.42 | cz_jc | raster, whaaat now ? :D |
| 07:17.49 | raster | i dont brag. i just prefer to try and push the clue meter up a bit by encouraging people :) |
| 07:18.38 | raster | nb - static calls are good |
| 07:18.38 | raster | keeps your symbol table down and linking speeds up |
| 07:18.38 | raster | also avoids silly symbol conflicts |
| 07:18.42 | PaulFertser | Guys, news about BFS: |
| 07:18.44 | PaulFertser | CFS that is mainline has a knob that makes it behave as good as BFS: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=125260525104922&w=3 |
| 07:18.56 | cz_jc | raster, and keeps your code huge :P |
| 07:19.01 | cz_jc | I mean when compiled |
| 07:19.18 | cz_jc | raster, on a thing like AVR, you don't get away with it easily |
| 07:20.45 | cz_jc | raster, while we're at it.. I like illume.. but I like the filemanager module and its desktop way more.. |
| 07:20.45 | raster | PaulFertser: yay! knobs! |
| 07:20.56 | cz_jc | raster, for example, flash drives show up there to be unmounted and such ^^ |
| 07:20.57 | PaulFertser | raster: the more the merrier :) |
| 07:21.22 | cz_jc | raster, but when e starts on my fr, the illume launcher overlay 'gets over' the fm desktop |
| 07:21.42 | cz_jc | raster, I solved this by removing all icons from /usr/share/applications and putting them to my ~/Desktop |
| 07:21.58 | raster | cz_jc: errr well if u are copying and pasting funcs all over - sure, but static involves it being private to that file which is normally good and desireable. if i ant it available outide i'll explicitly do api work to make it a subsystem and thus have it in .h's and available outside |
| 07:21.58 | cz_jc | but I still have to reset filemanager after every start to make the icons clickable which is very annoying |
| 07:22.11 | cz_jc | raster, any idea how to disable illume launcher ? |
| 07:22.20 | raster | i like -fvisibility=hidden. quite awesome in keeping you on the ball |
| 07:22.32 | cz_jc | tried decompiling all the settings files and didn't find anything |
| 07:23.14 | raster | as for launcher4 - it wasnt designed to be "gotten around" like you do.. so... no - it cant be disabled. illume is a big single chunk of module |
| 07:23.21 | raster | its an all-or-nothing deal |
| 07:23.53 | cz_jc | raster, aah.. too bad.. I really like filemanager |
| 07:23.58 | raster | :( |
| 07:24.12 | raster | i'm splitting illume - stealing some bits ofis codeand re-doing it in illume2 in svn |
| 07:24.16 | raster | but its useless for anyone atm |
| 07:24.22 | cz_jc | raster, I have svn e :) |
| 07:24.24 | raster | and i'm busy on elementary right now |
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| 07:25.24 | cz_jc | raster, I think if there were official docs, elementary would be the thing of choice for doing guis on fr :) |
| 07:25.49 | cz_jc | raster, unfortunately as it is, gtk with glade is just 'too easy' to ignore |
| 07:26.18 | cz_jc | raster, anyway carry on, you do a great work :) |
| 07:28.40 | raster | there are |
| 07:28.44 | raster | have u tried "make doc" |
| 07:28.45 | raster | ? |
| 07:28.58 | raster | look in doc/html |
| 07:29.01 | raster | etc. |
| 07:29.12 | raster | sure - not all is documented but some chunk is |
| 07:29.14 | raster | and... |
| 07:29.34 | raster | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary |
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| 07:33.45 | cz_jc | raster, aah.. didn't.. thx |
| 07:35.26 | raster | again - not full docs, but it gts you started. as of this week there's an elementary gnerator in svn - it generates your initial code |
| 07:35.47 | raster | can be based from templates. it's not totally pretty right now, and needs work, but its started |
| 07:36.02 | cz_jc | raster, can you skech up guis like with glade ? |
| 07:36.10 | cz_jc | *sketch |
| 07:36.43 | cz_jc | I think it'd be a killer feature.. in combination with python, that would allow complete amateurs write gui for about anything they can imagine |
| 07:38.54 | raster | no - just start u with a template |
| 07:39.08 | raster | it gets the autofoo and initial file up ala glade |
| 07:39.12 | raster | no gui building tho |
| 07:39.20 | raster | that might be a while |
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| 07:39.53 | raster | it's not really an amateur thing - to be honest, i'd prefer to filter them out. |
| 07:40.12 | raster | but it's a matter of saving time and effort even if u know what u are doing |
| 07:40.12 | cz_jc | raster, I think amateurs should be able to make stupid gadgets, iphone style :) |
| 07:40.27 | Heinervdm | raster: is somewhere explained how alignment and with is working exactly? currently i'm making gui's with try and error ;) |
| 07:40.31 | raster | u just dont want to re-has the same old "boilerplate" code. |
| 07:40.54 | PaulFertser | raster: hey. I know you lived in Japan for some time. Can you possibly explain me why the hell my good buddy, an ordinary russian guy who studied maths and unix at our university moved to japan and doesn't want to look back? |
| 07:40.57 | raster | Heinervdm: its simple. align alins withint the available space if 0.0 -> 1.0 |
| 07:41.14 | Heinervdm | 0.0 is left? |
| 07:41.14 | raster | if -1.0 it acts as a fill flag (fill the available space) |
| 07:41.18 | raster | left or top |
| 07:41.22 | raster | 1.0 is right or bottom |
| 07:41.50 | Heinervdm | raster: ah -1.0 fills the screen, i thought it would be width 1.0 |
| 07:42.00 | raster | no |
| 07:42.07 | Heinervdm | good to know :) |
| 07:42.16 | raster | sine -1.0 is a "useless" value for align |
| 07:42.23 | raster | its piggybacked for fill flags |
| 07:42.24 | raster | :) |
| 07:42.37 | raster | wieght is used to determine if it expands and how much of the space it is allocated |
| 07:42.43 | raster | g 0.0 will have it not get allocated anything |
| 07:43.06 | raster | 1.0 will have a weight of 1.0 expand, but differing weights will make different items expand different amounts |
| 07:43.50 | raster | cz_jc: i'd rather keep them doing their javascript/html gadgets that consume half your memory for one of them. |
| 07:44.01 | raster | until they get more clue |
| 07:44.03 | Heinervdm | raster: ok, thx for explanation |
| 07:44.24 | raster | PaulFertser: japan is a nice place. tho even i left :) |
| 07:44.34 | cz_jc | raster, oh btw in the checkout I tried tray icon plugin for illume, doesn't work (it shows a bunch under the illume bar if I recall correctly |
| 07:45.00 | raster | its clean, safe, organised. fast internet. polite and friendly people. u can get anything you want there. |
| 07:45.01 | cz_jc | raster, I got around that by creating a shelf with a tray icon plugin and moving it over illume bar |
| 07:45.09 | PaulFertser | raster: i've heard everybody is mad working there and having no real fun except some mad parties. That nobody cares about anybody etc... |
| 07:45.21 | raster | cz_jc: hver tested it |
| 07:45.40 | raster | cz_jc: not too surprised. tray icons are simply incompatible with efl |
| 07:45.53 | raster | as they are real windows u have to swallow/manage like apps |
| 07:45.58 | raster | i can go on. i won't |
| 07:46.15 | cz_jc | raster, point is, they work in illume but they get shown in the wrong place :) |
| 07:46.40 | raster | cz_jc: hmm no. working varies wildly from person to person, company to company. people do care. depends on your friends |
| 07:46.44 | cz_jc | you can even move the pluhin horizontally and the rectangle with tray icon below moves with it |
| 07:47.02 | raster | cz_jc: as i said. not surprising. |
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| 07:49.26 | cz_jc | raster, btw unfortunately, people can't hack up html/js gadgetry on fr very easily |
| 07:49.43 | cz_jc | raster, so they stick with pygtk and glade which is really ugly |
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| 07:50.26 | cz_jc | raster, sometimes you get people who are very smart in terms of a subject that concerns an app they want to make but very dumb in terms of coding.. thats just the way it is |
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| 07:50.53 | cz_jc | raster, like I dunno, GUI designers on airliners |
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| 07:51.35 | cz_jc | raster, the programmers would never do the gui right and consider all human factors involved |
| 07:51.52 | cz_jc | raster, the people who get to draw them up are psychologists and such |
| 07:52.10 | cz_jc | raster, thats where pre-hacked tools come in for them.. |
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| 08:04.44 | PaulFertser | Guys, i advice you to try this to improve interactivity: |
| 08:05.00 | PaulFertser | mkdir /debug; mount -t debugfs none /debug; echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS > /debug/sched_features |
| 08:05.12 | PaulFertser | It's reported it gives huge advantages, the same as BFS. |
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| 08:14.58 | raster | but does it? |
| 08:16.16 | PaulFertser | raster: it does. Ingo even disabled it by default in his tree. |
| 08:17.54 | raster | describe how its better? |
| 08:18.28 | ndnihil | indeed, how? |
| 08:19.35 | PaulFertser | raster: well, it's hard to paraphrase a long LKML thread in a few words... gimme 2 min. |
| 08:21.53 | raster | hmm i was hoping u'd tried it and have results |
| 08:21.54 | ndnihil | I just tried it and haven't really noticed a difference |
| 08:21.58 | raster | eg "scrolling is much smoother" |
| 08:22.12 | raster | "sliders react more smoothly" |
| 08:22.12 | PaulFertser | raster: it's supposed that this switch solves all these problems: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/9/6/230 |
| 08:22.18 | raster | "animations jerk much less" |
| 08:22.19 | raster | etc. |
| 08:22.47 | raster | ndnihil: noticed nothing? |
| 08:23.04 | ndnihil | well, scrolling -might- be better |
| 08:23.08 | ndnihil | I have animations disabled |
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| 08:24.04 | raster | k |
| 08:24.07 | ndnihil | hrm, xmahjongg seems to start a bit more quickly |
| 08:24.28 | ndnihil | trying midori now |
| 08:24.33 | ndnihil | it's usually pretty brutal |
| 08:24.35 | raster | souns like the policy chnagein cfs is much better |
| 08:24.43 | raster | smell;s to me like that should be the default for linux |
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| 08:25.20 | raster | ok wait |
| 08:25.25 | raster | that mail is about bfs bhavior |
| 08:25.34 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.39 | PaulFertser | raster: yes, bfs discussion brought life to a new testing tool |
| 08:25.51 | PaulFertser | raster: which in turn allowed to analise the performance about CFS |
| 08:25.51 | raster | sure |
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| 08:26.14 | PaulFertser | raster: and bugginess of new fair sleepers was discovered. With them off, it's reported to be as good as BFS. |
| 08:26.15 | raster | tho i could have told u that userspace suffers from erratice kernel schedulinbg |
| 08:26.28 | raster | and theres fuck-all that can be done about it without kernel improvements |
| 08:26.43 | raster | anything that animates or does realtime audio is going to show it |
| 08:28.08 | ndnihil | scrolling is still jumpy, but it's a more consistent/smooth jumpy |
| 08:28.13 | ndnihil | if that makes any sense |
| 08:31.29 | ndnihil | ok |
| 08:31.36 | ndnihil | it's noticeable with numptyphysics |
| 08:31.41 | ndnihil | definitely smoother |
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| 08:33.47 | ndnihil | nice tip PaulFertser |
| 08:34.04 | ndnihil | one step closer to being usable :) |
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| 08:56.38 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: hehe, reading that long thread wasn't complete waste of my working hours after all :) |
| 08:59.51 | djp` | hi all. my FR no longer rings when receiving a call. i believe i read somewhere this can occur when a certain app is run which messes with the sound drivers? it's the shr-unstable distro i'm using. can somebody confirm that it is due to a certain app and where on the wiki the info is to correct the problem? i've been searching through the shr manual and other parts of the wiki but I'm blowed if i can find the info i' |
| 08:59.52 | djp` | m sure i read! |
| 09:01.59 | PaulFertser | djp`: is it up-to-date unstable? |
| 09:02.16 | PaulFertser | djp`: probably it's speech-dispatcher or some shit like that |
| 09:02.35 | djp` | PaulFertser, i installed it roughly a week ago |
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| 09:03.02 | djp` | PaulFertser: yes, i'm sure i've read somewhere that a certain app can cause it |
| 09:03.31 | djp` | PaulFertser: i'm hunting bthrough the wiki right now, trying to locate the piece i read |
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| 09:06.11 | PaulFertser | djp`: i guess it was speech-dispatcher or some other old oss app. |
| 09:08.12 | djp` | PaulFertser: do you know how i get the received call to ring again? is it just a matter of editing the sound level settings again under /usr/share/scenarii/gsmhandset.state ? |
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| 09:10.38 | PaulFertser | djp`: no, nothing should have changed it without your will. |
| 09:10.46 | PaulFertser | djp`: try aplay some wav, does it work? |
| 09:12.33 | djp` | PaulFertser: let me try |
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| 09:17.08 | djp` | PaulFertser: i'll need to throw a sound file onto the FR. by the way, i found the piece i read on the wiki by doing a search. it is something about there being no sound after installing navit. |
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| 09:17.28 | PaulFertser | djp`: yes, due to the speech-dispatcher as i've told you several times already. |
| 09:17.35 | djp` | PaulFertser: however it appears that the entry has been removed from the shr user manual. |
| 09:18.04 | djp` | PaulFertser: ah, sorry Paul. didn't know the two were connected. apologies. |
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| 09:18.57 | PaulFertser | djp`: np |
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| 09:32.58 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5640 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (docs/ecn/STATUS wlan.sch): Apply ECN0035, and fix C8004,C8005 footprint |
| 09:33.23 | djp` | PaulFertser: i've found the piece on speech-dispatcher and run the command update-rc.d -f speech-dispatcher remove. however, how do i edit /usr/bin/navit? it says i need to edit this file but when i open it. it's unreadable? |
| 09:33.56 | PaulFertser | djp`: no, do not edit it. |
| 09:34.13 | PaulFertser | djp`: who says you need to edit it? |
| 09:35.20 | djp` | PaulFertser: zappi mentions that "... so i add to the navit start script at /usr/bin/mnavit two things. at the top of the file i'd add..." |
| 09:36.00 | djp` | PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Speech |
| 09:37.04 | djp` | PaulFertser: Quote from above link, "And then edit /usr/bin/navit, so that it starts speech-dispatcher befoere navit, and stops it afterwards." |
| 09:37.32 | PaulFertser | djp`: do not use speech-dispatcher at all |
| 09:38.49 | djp` | PaulFertser: i see. so by running the command "update-rc.d -f speech-dispatcher remove" will that have stopped speech-dispatcher? |
| 09:39.16 | PaulFertser | djp`: wait for some other guys who know more about navit or read about that stuff in mailing list archives or the like. |
| 09:39.43 | djp` | PaulFertser: ok. thanks. |
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| 09:52.32 | djp` | PaulFertser: thanks for your help. for now, after running the "update-rc.d -f speech-dispatcher remove" command and restarting my FR, sound is now working properly again. |
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| 09:53.28 | PaulFertser | djp`: welcome |
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| 10:47.39 | ssam | just got a freerunner (won from magazine, so not sure which revision, or how much the played/tested/reviewed it). i put in uSD, SIM and battery, plugged into USB, and now it have been showing an openmoko splash screen for about 5 mins. what should i do now? |
| 10:48.02 | SpeedEvil | rejoice! |
| 10:48.13 | SpeedEvil | Or alternatively, you might try flashing a new OS on it |
| 10:48.33 | ssam | so that means it has no OS? |
| 10:48.36 | SpeedEvil | After first turning it off, and leaving it charging for an hourish to see if that fixes it |
| 10:48.49 | SpeedEvil | low battery can do odd stuff. |
| 10:49.06 | ssam | how do i turn it off? (feel like a noob) |
| 10:49.14 | SpeedEvil | Npo - if you've got a splash - there is something on there - but debugging what it's doing and why it's doing it - may be more complex |
| 10:49.29 | SpeedEvil | If the power button doesn't work - pull the USB, pull the battery |
| 10:49.48 | SpeedEvil | It could for example have been setup to boot from SD |
| 10:50.00 | ssam | i tried the power button. i'll try removing usb and bat. thanks. |
| 10:50.32 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 10:51.39 | ssam | i when i put the bat and usb back it started booting :-) |
| 10:52.15 | Heinervdm | ssam: what do you want to do? |
| 10:52.18 | Heinervdm | reflash |
| 10:52.22 | Heinervdm | or sth else? |
| 10:52.49 | SpeedEvil | well - see what's there ATM |
| 10:52.53 | ssam | yeah, i put SHR on it. i think i can follow the wiki for that. thanks |
| 10:53.24 | SpeedEvil | Also - #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 11:02.34 | ssam | Revision:0360, that is A6, pre buzfix right? |
| 11:03.13 | ssam | /etc/issue says angstrom, Openmoko P1-Snapshot-20080418 |
| 11:03.28 | ssam | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
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| 11:39.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ssam: revision can't tell you bout buzzfix |
| 11:40.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ssam: .24 really is outdated |
| 11:40.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ssam: get shr-U, image of 2009-08-08 (or newer) |
| 11:41.05 | ssam | i am flashing shr now :-) |
| 11:41.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ssam: get matching uImage (kernel) |
| 11:41.43 | ssam | i'm following the wiki |
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| 15:28.39 | Cristianpark | Hi everyone |
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| 15:28.43 | Cristianpark | how are you? |
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| 15:34.03 | Cristianpark | I'm using SHR Unstable version 08-08-09, I did opkg upgrade two days ago and after a while, the ringtones doesn't sound anymore |
| 15:34.20 | Cristianpark | and I can't get any sound either in intone |
| 15:35.07 | Cristianpark | someone has experienced this before, now how to solve this? I was looking on alsamixer and there isn't muted channels |
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| 15:36.22 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: no speech-dispatcher running i hope? |
| 15:40.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Cristianpark: insert and remove headset |
| 15:40.54 | Cristianpark | Paul: I can't understand your question, I'm not english speaker, let me search about speech-dispatcher, there is a easy way to know if it is running? |
| 15:41.12 | Chocky | ps ax |
| 15:41.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Cristianpark: you installed navit? |
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| 15:42.26 | Cristianpark | DocScrutinizer: Yes, I run the post-installation script that recommends in the Wiki |
| 15:43.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that invokes speech-dispatcher, which in turn breaks audio |
| 15:43.01 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: ensure the fucking speech-dispatcher is not running |
| 15:43.35 | Chocky | real mature |
| 15:43.48 | Chocky | someone got out of bed the wrong side? |
| 15:45.00 | Cristianpark | I'm going to uninstall navit and see if it solves the Issue, thanks |
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| 15:47.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Cristianpark: please use direct piping of navit audio into aplay, instead of speech-dispatcher. (speech-dispatcher and) ESD are deprecated and completely useless |
| 15:47.42 | dos1 | Cristianpark: just do "opkg remove speech-dispatcher -force-depends", no need for removing navit |
| 15:49.19 | PaulFertser | dos1: should i still boot shr twice after first flashing? |
| 15:49.23 | Cristianpark | Guys you're awesome, that worked inmediatly, I have sound again :D |
| 15:49.38 | dos1 | PaulFertser: dunno, probably yes |
| 15:49.41 | PaulFertser | :( |
| 15:50.16 | Cristianpark | DocScrutinizer: how can i do the piping of navit audio into aplay? sorry if very noob question |
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| 15:50.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Cristianpark: you had sound before as well. Just only of navit which via ESD and /dev/dsp occupied your complete audio system exclusively ;-) |
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| 15:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | dos1 sybren: with navit i'm using espeak writing to stdout and piping it to aplay - :P |
| 15:55.35 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: just as me ;) |
| 15:56.00 | dos1 | well, i think i was first with that configuration on freerunner :D |
| 15:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: will you help? lazy dog ;-) |
| 15:56.07 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: nah, i'm too lazy |
| 15:56.08 | dos1 | ;) |
| 15:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:7WLQYIuAFZ4J:ibot.rikers.org/%2523openmoko/20090627.html.gz+navit+esd+aplay+shr&cd=4&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de |
| 15:56.49 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.59 | dos1 | Cristianpark: ^^^^ |
| 15:57.05 | dos1 | Cristianpark: change pl to your language |
| 15:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | Cristianpark: I'd think about the -v pl part ;-) |
| 15:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 15:57.55 | Cristianpark | dos1: Thanks for the page |
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| 15:58.11 | Cristianpark | DocsScrutinizer: I'll think about it |
| 15:58.23 | Cristianpark | loñ |
| 15:58.33 | Cristianpark | => lol |
| 15:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | maybe someone should fix that darn wiki |
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| 16:03.13 | Cristianpark | DocScrutinizer: I totally agree with you. I'm a noob with the FR, i only played with the USBNetworking, installed SHR, do opkg upgrade and run the post-installation script |
| 16:03.26 | Cristianpark | I've found difficult to find reliable information |
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| 16:09.42 | Cristianpark | and I don't like to join to IRC because sometimes you find yourself with people upset and that answer like if you're a stupid just because you don't know something |
| 16:10.55 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: take it easy dude |
| 16:11.07 | Cristianpark | All: I doesn't mean this channel |
| 16:12.43 | Cristianpark | PaulFertser: Don't get confused, I'm only giving my opinion in what DocScrutinizer said |
| 16:14.01 | PaulFertser | naeg: hey |
| 16:14.08 | PaulFertser | naeg: any news about testing results? |
| 16:14.23 | PaulFertser | Chocky: i don't mean only this channel too |
| 16:14.28 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: ^^ |
| 16:14.29 | Chocky | :o |
| 16:14.44 | PaulFertser | Chocky: how many FR's do you have? |
| 16:16.05 | Chocky | just one |
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| 16:18.02 | naeg | PaulFertser: hey |
| 16:18.52 | naeg | PaulFertser: well i got my new laptop today, so i am actually not testing anything. but booting from nand(with initrd which union mounts) is 10 secs faster than booting from sd(no X, just base sys) |
| 16:19.32 | naeg | PaulFertser: do you know any good fs benchmark suite? |
| 16:20.18 | Chocky | hdparm |
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| 16:21.41 | PaulFertser | Chocky: :) |
| 16:21.45 | PaulFertser | naeg: not really |
| 16:21.54 | PaulFertser | naeg: and it's known that sd is mad slow on FR |
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| 16:38.18 | slaxxer | is there a way to tape the sdcard hold?er-card in a way to stop the interference |
| 16:38.30 | slaxxer | -? |
| 16:39.03 | slaxxer | tate it in the open position then close ti? |
| 16:39.10 | slaxxer | tape- |
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| 16:51.21 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: interference from what to where? |
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| 17:10.48 | Cristianpark | Thank You guys for your help, I'll try the configuration on Navit and let you know the results |
| 17:10.55 | Cristianpark | see you |
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| 17:30.41 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:11.00 | [Rui] | waves |
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| 18:28.51 | kermit | does the Neo work with sprintpcs? |
| 18:29.24 | SpeedEvil | There is a list of providers it works with on the wiki. |
| 18:29.33 | kermit | wow, i've spent hours on the wiki and never found it |
| 18:29.34 | SpeedEvil | In short - is it a GSM phone - or CDMA? |
| 18:29.54 | kermit | my current sprintpcs phone is cdma, but i dont know if sprint also has GSM support |
| 18:29.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers |
| 18:30.20 | kermit | ty |
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| 18:33.08 | Chocky | sprint/Verizon are CDMA only |
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| 19:21.59 | dehqan_ | good day everybody ,what is the lastest version of openmoko phone A7 |
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| 19:27.27 | dehqan_ | good day everybody ,what is the lastest version of openmoko phone? A7? |
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| 19:28.20 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: yes |
| 19:28.31 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: there's A8 but it wasn't mass produced. |
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| 19:30.47 | dehqan_ | thanks is openmoko phone good choice for a person that does not want to pay time each for fixing bugs ?just he want use for sms call music ...is it stable enoughe for him ? |
| 19:32.49 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:33.17 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: my opinion is that FR is not ready for an ordinary end-user. |
| 19:33.54 | dehqan_ | would tell more? do you mean for this needs sms call music is not stable? |
| 19:34.06 | Chocky | I want to "sms call music" too. |
| 19:34.12 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: music requires bass fix, please read GTA02_bass_fix on the wiki |
| 19:34.33 | dehqan_ | do you mean c work ? |
| 19:34.41 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: yes, hardware fix |
| 19:34.56 | dehqan_ | ok except that |
| 19:35.09 | dehqan_ | e.g A7 for this needs sms call music is not stable? |
| 19:35.26 | Chocky | You keep saying "sms call music" as if it means something. |
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| 19:36.20 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: anyway software is not quite stable. |
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| 19:36.39 | dehqan_ | even for needs like sms call and music ? |
| 19:37.06 | Chocky | wonders how ways the question can be phrased |
| 19:37.09 | Chocky | +many |
| 19:38.30 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: yes |
| 19:39.35 | dehqan_ | why would you tell which reasons cause this unstablity ?would give an example |
| 19:39.42 | Chocky | to the wiki ! |
| 19:40.52 | Chocky | and you are IRCing as root? tsk. |
| 19:40.52 | PaulFertser | Chocky: isn't it bad to make fun of miserable foreigners? |
| 19:40.52 | PaulFertser | Chocky: ;) |
| 19:40.52 | Chocky | is a miserable foreigner |
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| 19:43.57 | dehqan_ | e.g for a user that just wants call sms and listen music which problems will happen ?will those problems cache his time ? |
| 19:44.21 | Chocky | dehqan_: read the wiki first, before you ask your question for the 10th time. |
| 19:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Listening to music over the phone connection can't really be done |
| 19:44.37 | SpeedEvil | it's too slow |
| 19:44.46 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: does that hypothetical user knows how to use command line interface of *nix systems? |
| 19:45.12 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: maybe hold musaz |
| 19:45.17 | dehqan_ | he knows *unix enoughe |
| 19:45.19 | Chocky | er, musac |
| 19:46.04 | dehqan_ | but he does not want to pay more time for fixing bug |
| 19:46.12 | dehqan_ | you used FR |
| 19:46.25 | Chocky | or spend any time reading the wiki? |
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| 19:47.18 | dehqan_ | as a FR user you say for calling sms and ... will he faces problems that cache his time ? |
| 19:48.00 | Chocky | yes, yes, and yes. Do you want to ask your question a 12th time? |
| 19:48.01 | dehqan_ | he is not developer and just wants to use FR cause of it is open |
| 19:48.32 | Chocky | And I don't think that "cache his time" means what you think it means. |
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| 19:49.01 | dehqan_ | cache = catch ! |
| 19:49.17 | radekp | hi, any1 knows where can i get kernel config used for building SHR kernel & modules? |
| 19:50.45 | dehqan_ | yes in wiki is written but realy for a person that know debian ,will Fr problems catch his time ? |
| 19:51.05 | Chocky | dehqan_: how many times do you want us to answer, and waste our time? |
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| 19:51.14 | Chocky | gives up on lazy noob. |
| 19:51.47 | dehqan_ | chocky dont you think in this way to reply more and more will wast you time more? |
| 19:52.15 | Chocky | dehqan_: we already answered it 10 times. what you're inisting is that we waste our time on your behalf, instead of you doing some actual research. |
| 19:52.49 | Chocky | go on, ask your question again. Make it 15 times. |
| 19:52.54 | dehqan_ | this research that needs FR users idea |
| 19:53.06 | dehqan_ | not wiki writtens |
| 19:53.20 | dehqan_ | it is an experimental issue ok ? |
| 19:53.53 | dehqan_ | please dont wast me and yourself time more .. |
| 19:54.12 | Heinervdm | radekp: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/configs/gta02_packaging_defconfig;h=15defd288410970c0b4df0cc9220a2e6d94a3669;hb=andy-tracking |
| 19:54.55 | PaulFertser | radekp: yes |
| 19:55.19 | radekp | so that's the one from openmoko kernel git? |
| 19:55.22 | PaulFertser | radekp: it's almost (or probably fully) identical to packaging_defconfig in andy-tracking. |
| 19:56.06 | radekp | and do you know how are modules built for the resulting image? |
| 19:56.31 | radekp | if i do ./build GTA02 dummy it builds about 30MB of modules |
| 19:56.47 | dehqan_ | PaulFertser he knows unix enoughe he uses debian on his pc desktop ,but he does not want pay houres of his time on phone ,so for those uses you told problems will happen but fixing them by him will catch much time ? |
| 19:57.04 | radekp | in SHR image the size of modules is just about 6MB |
| 19:57.50 | PaulFertser | radekp: yes, it does. Sorry, ask at #openmoko-cdevel, mrmoku should know OE kernel build details. |
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| 19:58.10 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: if he's not ready to spend hours most probably FR is not for him. |
| 19:58.33 | Heinervdm | radekp: i'm having 23 mb of packages for kernel+modules |
| 19:58.50 | dehqan_ | PaulFertser hours in day ?or for example for a month ? |
| 19:59.18 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: i prefer to think about FR as a fancy dev board, that might give you an idea. |
| 19:59.47 | radekp | PaulFertser: oki, i'll try, thanks |
| 20:00.47 | dehqan_ | PaulFertser you a Fr user do you think how many hours will it catch his time for just those uses call sms music ... ? |
| 20:01.16 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: i can't give a reasonable estimate, sorry. |
| 20:03.15 | Weiss | to play devil's advocate: i haven't spent a significant amount of time making calls and SMS work. it needs a bit of patience with the fiddly keyboard, sometimes things crashing or misbehaving, but it's not (for me) as bad as the situation with desktop Linux circa 2001 (recompile your kernel to get sound or ACPI on your laptop, etc) |
| 20:03.47 | Weiss | however, my phone use is usually light |
| 20:03.54 | dehqan_ | dont mention it ,but this is question yet for call and sending sms which software problems will happen |
| 20:04.46 | dehqan_ | really each some time user faces problems in calling and sending sms ? |
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| 20:09.08 | Weiss | dehqan_: for me, the fiddliness of the keyboard is the main problem. i don't personally have any major complaints |
| 20:09.48 | dehqan_ | thanks weiss do you have A7 ? |
| 20:10.42 | Weiss | no, i have a non-buzzfixed A6. i haven't yet had significant problems with call quality (but it can depend on network, cell etc (apparently)) |
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| 20:11.21 | dehqan_ | would you tell your GSM ? |
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| 20:12.30 | Weiss | would i tell them what? |
| 20:13.50 | dehqan_ | here in iran GSM is 900 1800 |
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| 20:14.24 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: ah, so you need just "european" version, the same as Weiss has. |
| 20:14.32 | [Rui] | has an A5+bluzzfix and now people complain that they hear things too loud |
| 20:14.42 | [Rui] | any suggestions for SHR-U files? |
| 20:14.55 | Chocky | has A5+buzzfix, and I don't think the volume works at all now |
| 20:15.42 | [Rui] | well... a colleague asked me to speak lower |
| 20:15.44 | [Rui] | and I wasn't speaking loud :) |
| 20:15.50 | Chocky | you can turn down your mic volume |
| 20:16.06 | PaulFertser | [Rui]: i guess Laslo even pushed some cool app to shr that can help to fine-tune your state files. |
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| 20:16.40 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: hms... do you happen to remember the name? |
| 20:16.49 | dehqan_ | * do you mean maybe "european" for someone would be good sound for some mighte be bad sound ? |
| 20:16.52 | [Rui] | it's control.49 right? |
| 20:17.05 | [Rui] | it's control.48 (I mean) right? |
| 20:17.15 | [Rui] | I have "value 2" |
| 20:17.17 | Chocky | By European, he means someone who doesn't shave his armpits and spends Euros |
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| 20:18.06 | PaulFertser | [Rui]: to answer that i'd need to look at the "pretty" diagram again and think about GSM mic path etc... |
| 20:18.11 | [Rui] | Chocky: shaving armipits is gay (not that there's anything wrong about it -- Jerry Seinfeld) |
| 20:18.19 | Chocky | and speaks English more fluently than the English |
| 20:19.37 | [Rui] | Chocky: and we have portuguese women (the best ;)) |
| 20:20.11 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: I think I read in the wiki that's one of the most important ones, but I'd guess it's the noise filter that should probably be stronger |
| 20:21.26 | PaulFertser | [Rui]: not sure, i guess we don't use any noise filter inside wm8753, we hope that calypso does the right thing on its own. |
| 20:21.57 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: oh, I thought that would be something done at alsa level (proves my ignorance, it seems) |
| 20:22.59 | [Rui] | "Audio Path Theory" in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Alsa_state_a7 |
| 20:23.36 | [Rui] | PaulFertser: I'll try to fiddle with that |
| 20:24.37 | PaulFertser | [Rui]: yeah, semi-decent page, worth reading :) |
| 20:26.43 | dehqan_ | weiss your network gsm is 900 ? |
| 20:30.59 | Weiss | dehqan_: no idea which frequency. i use O2 (UK), if it's any help |
| 20:31.55 | dehqan_ | wiess so your problem is just sometime craching yes ? |
| 20:35.01 | dehqan_ | weiss your music sound is good ?is FR crashing alot ? |
| 20:35.21 | Chocky | cries |
| 20:35.47 | Chocky | the noob! it burns my eyes! |
| 20:36.41 | Weiss | dehqan_: i don't use my FR for music. almost all of the crashing i experience is my own fault, as well (i'm working on graphics drivers) |
| 20:37.48 | dehqan_ | ok sound in calls is ok ?and loud anoughe ? |
| 20:38.06 | dehqan_ | dont you have that buzz? |
| 20:38.11 | Chocky | dehqan_: clue: Put the question mark directly after the word, and put a space _after_ it. |
| 20:38.21 | Chocky | clue 2: "alot" is not a word |
| 20:38.58 | Weiss | dehqan_: i had to tweak the volume up a little, but now it's good. people have said that there's a slight buzz at their end, but only when i asked them directly |
| 20:39.18 | Weiss | dehqan_: but remember that call quality (a) is subjective, (b) depends on circumstances |
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| 20:40.06 | dehqan_ | phone circumstances ? |
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| 20:41.00 | Weiss | GSM network circumstances. different cells and networks can have different settings |
| 20:41.53 | dehqan_ | ohum if gsm network be the same it is probable there will not be a problem |
| 20:42.24 | Weiss | so i understand |
| 20:43.13 | dehqan_ | what is your distirbution ? |
| 20:44.14 | Weiss | i use SHR-unstable |
| 20:45.17 | dehqan_ | do you know if it support persian language (farsi) for sms ? |
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| 20:47.08 | Weiss | no idea, sorry |
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| 20:47.47 | dehqan_ | wiess would tell how did you buy FR from uk ? |
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| 20:48.07 | Chocky | Farsi in SMS. good grief. |
| 20:49.30 | Weiss | dehqan_: i bought mine from Pulster. it worked out cheaper at the time to buy from elsewhere in Europe and have it sent to the UK than to buy from the UK distributor |
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| 20:51.09 | dehqan_ | yes also now is cheaper 280 $ ... |
| 20:51.28 | dehqan_ | did you order pen and other free things ? |
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| 20:54.08 | Weiss | the pen was included, and i also ordered a pouch (but i don't use it any more - makes the whole thing too big, and it hasn't been harmed by being kept in my pocket) |
| 20:54.39 | dehqan_ | wiess what did your package include ? |
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| 20:56.21 | Weiss | it included: the phone, a battery, a microSD card (512M), a microSD->full size SD adaptor, a USB cable, the stylus (with batteries), and the mains charger (with adaptors for US, UK or Europe) |
| 20:57.28 | dehqan_ | about 5 thing is listed in their site for free ,did not you get them ? |
| 20:58.12 | kermit | what needs to be done before openmoko is ready for the general public? |
| 20:58.28 | Chocky | made into a version with a keyboard and no glamo |
| 20:58.32 | Weiss | dehqan_: which five things? |
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| 20:59.09 | dehqan_ | Display protection , OpenMoko Bondage |
| 20:59.22 | [Rui] | anyone knows if I'll get a working SHR-u if I do an opkg upgrade now? |
| 21:00.16 | tomcatek | I did upgrade and ewerything works |
| 21:00.35 | [Rui] | tomcatek: more or less about now? and you use it as a phone? :) |
| 21:00.55 | tomcatek | [Rui]: upgrade done about 1h ago |
| 21:01.09 | tomcatek | [Rui]: I use neo as my daily phone |
| 21:01.11 | kermit | is now a good time to buy the hardware or is there a major milestone excepted within a month or two? |
| 21:01.32 | PaulFertser | kermit: hardware won't change |
| 21:01.41 | [Rui] | tomcatek: I guess I'll risk it, then |
| 21:01.54 | tomcatek | why risk? |
| 21:02.15 | tomcatek | it's just a matter of downgrading fso if something went wrong ;) |
| 21:03.03 | [Rui] | tomcatek: hehe |
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| 21:06.57 | Graf_Ithaka | hi there :) |
| 21:07.04 | Graf_Ithaka | is there a ipk of ghostscript around? |
| 21:09.36 | dehqan_ | weiss Display protection , OpenMoko Bondage ...did not you get them yes ? |
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| 21:10.52 | Weiss | dehqan_: nope, neither of those.. |
| 21:11.32 | dehqan_ | ok how much does it cost for post ir from german to uk ? |
| 21:11.48 | dehqan_ | weiss ,ok how much does it cost for post it from german to uk ? |
| 21:12.48 | dehqan_ | weiss , would you give your email ? |
| 21:12.54 | Weiss | EUR 14.90 |
| 21:13.23 | dehqan_ | is that 512 Mg enoughe ? |
| 21:13.45 | Weiss | email correspondence will not be entered into :) - if you have further sensible questions, it's best to ask them where others can see the answers |
| 21:14.09 | Weiss | 512 Mb: depends what you want to do. i use it to store maps and occasional backups, and it's plenty for that |
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| 21:17.45 | dehqan_ | wiess so that buzz is alittle on other talk side yes ?is not loud ?can person who talk with you hear your speech VIVID |
| 21:18.04 | dehqan_ | and are you in mailing list also ? |
| 21:19.28 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: i must admit we're a bit tired of you |
| 21:20.36 | dehqan_ | PaulFertser dont you think this should be said from weiss ? |
| 21:20.40 | Weiss | dehqan_: yep, the GSM buzz is on the other side of the call. i haven't heard any complaints from people i've spoken to on my FR. other people have not been so lucky, and have had buzz that's loud enough to make it unusable |
| 21:21.03 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: Weiss is too polite probably |
| 21:21.18 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: or i am too rude |
| 21:22.27 | dehqan_ | paul you are polite too thank you |
| 21:23.08 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: what is the reason you want to get what is essentially a developer platform, not a real phone/smartphone? |
| 21:23.32 | dehqan_ | paul cause of open firmware |
| 21:24.14 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: not all firmware on FR is open. GSM, bluetooth and wifi are closed. |
| 21:24.24 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: and hardware is suboptimal to say the least. |
| 21:24.33 | dehqan_ | weiss those other pepole were in a network like your network that had loud buzz |
| 21:25.00 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: buzz comes and goes |
| 21:25.11 | dehqan_ | suboptimal? |
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| 21:25.32 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: you shouldn't hope it won't be there. If you face it you will be disappointed. A7 is buzz-free from the factory btw. |
| 21:27.26 | dehqan_ | paul here we can fix it if we faced can not ? |
| 21:28.07 | dehqan_ | weiss those other pepole were in a network like your network ?those that had loud buzz |
| 21:28.33 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: of course it's easy to fix buzz for a one who can solder smd parts. |
| 21:29.03 | dehqan_ | yes but if we can find parts in iran |
| 21:29.45 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: A7 comes with buzzfix already. And parts can be sent by snail mail from Europe, no problem with that. |
| 21:31.01 | dehqan_ | yes but it may cost a lot |
| 21:32.18 | dehqan_ | paul do you know exactly what parts should be bought for c work ? |
| 21:32.21 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: no, it can't |
| 21:32.24 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: sure |
| 21:32.49 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: one 0402 2.2kOhm resistor and one small (the smaller the better) 100uF capacitor. |
| 21:34.06 | dehqan_ | just these 2 part any ic ? |
| 21:34.10 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: no |
| 21:34.17 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: buzzfix is relatively simple |
| 21:34.55 | dehqan_ | thanks paul yes really simple and for this simple fix there is about 40 eur diffreneces ? |
| 21:35.19 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: well, yes |
| 21:35.20 | dehqan_ | between A6 A7 prices |
| 21:35.32 | dehqan_ | ! |
| 21:35.32 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: not everybody can and not afraid to solder 0402 R |
| 21:36.07 | dehqan_ | maybe here someone that have solder do this for you for 3 $ |
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| 21:37.51 | dehqan_ | now paul you are so tired from me yes ? |
| 21:37.58 | dehqan_ | thanks alot |
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| 21:41.21 | dehqan_ | so paul at the end ,wiess said that does not have problem with A6 in uk ,do you think in iran it will not have loud buzz too |
| 21:42.23 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: it's easy to find somebody who can solder for $3 in Iran, not that hard to find somebody who'll do that for $30 or less in russia, probably harder in Europe, no idea. Many guys complained. |
| 21:43.05 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: (buzz in iran) i guess you'll have high chances to get loud buzz if you're moving along the country, especially relatively far from base stations. |
| 21:44.03 | dehqan_ | you are right |
| 21:44.12 | dehqan_ | thanks alot |
| 21:44.37 | dehqan_ | i applogize from all persons who complained from me ... |
| 21:44.39 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: welcome |
| 21:44.50 | PaulFertser | dehqan_: i hope you'll try to search the mailing list archives next time though |
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| 22:18.47 | Graf_Ithaka | anybody printing from his/her neo so far? I can print ps but as long as there's no ghostscript I dunno how to print pdf.. lp just prints them in plaintext.. |
| 22:19.42 | lindi- | Graf_Ithaka: i have ghostscript |
| 22:20.01 | Graf_Ithaka | lindi-: do you have an ipk? where did you get it? |
| 22:20.17 | lindi- | Graf_Ithaka: no, debian |
| 22:20.28 | Graf_Ithaka | argh ;D |
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| 22:31.15 | shentey | hi! has anybody managed to install latest AndNav on Koolo beta 7? |
| 22:31.28 | shentey | I get a Failure [-12] |
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| 22:41.53 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03werner * r5641 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/GETTING-STARTED: |
| 22:41.53 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - docs/GETTING-STARTED: added section on editing and viewing the layout |
| 22:41.53 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - modules/mkloe: if fped fails, print on which files it failed |
| 22:47.00 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rf7dcc12e2e61 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: catch up with new 'async' keyword for methods. replaces 'yields' |
| 22:50.42 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r1c1b485b2b6b 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: fix position of async qualifier |
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| 23:08.51 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9f97aa0006e9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi subsystem.vala): libfsoframework: interfaces: add well-known paths for org.freesmartphone.GSM |
| 23:08.53 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb64b4de07cb6 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:08.53 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: first async dbus method implemented! |
| 23:08.53 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: disable libfso-glib for now as it doesn't compile |
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| 23:46.04 | Graf_Ithaka | cu@all |
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