| 00:04.13 | chiui | where are the sources of odeviced? |
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| 00:42.51 | johnsu01 | hm what happened to midori |
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| 01:03.49 | johnsu01 | and intone... |
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| 01:20.34 | raster | booh |
| 01:20.48 | SpeedEvil | Hello. |
| 01:21.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/fascia.jpg |
| 01:21.24 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:23.46 | CVirus | lol |
| 01:24.00 | CVirus | is this waldo down there ? |
| 01:24.38 | SpeedEvil | That was the result of a ten minute job - according to the manual. |
| 01:24.51 | SpeedEvil | I went to replace a heater control knob. |
| 01:25.06 | SpeedEvil | I swore very loudly when I went to the next step, and the book said to open the second section of the dashboard - only to find that the clever nissan people had managed in the slightly newer release to mould it all in one huge lump. |
| 01:25.39 | SpeedEvil | Fortunately the manual was also wrong - and it was possible to remove the dashboard without first removing the steering column and airbag. |
| 01:25.56 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: what car is that ? |
| 01:26.03 | SpeedEvil | Nissan Micra |
| 01:26.23 | CVirus | shit man .. you fucked it up .. LOL |
| 01:26.35 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: which year is it ? |
| 01:26.49 | SpeedEvil | 1999 |
| 01:26.53 | SpeedEvil | VEry similar to http://images.clickedit.co.uk/110/506289.jpg |
| 01:27.06 | SpeedEvil | I got it back together - and it diddn't even rattle! |
| 01:27.22 | SpeedEvil | Also - the heater control worked. |
| 01:27.29 | CVirus | nice |
| 01:27.31 | Chocky | how many pieces left over? |
| 01:27.35 | CVirus | hehe |
| 01:27.47 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: only a few screws I think |
| 01:27.54 | Chocky | I've driven one of those. Dinky as hell |
| 01:28.03 | SpeedEvil | I later bent it somewhat round a barrier. |
| 01:29.33 | SpeedEvil | If the barrier hadn't been there - there would have been no damage to the car. As it was - hit it at about 8 MPH (I have GPS logs) rapidly decellerating - it took out the windscreen, door pillar, and then spanged round and did for the rear windscreen and that door pillar and hatchback |
| 01:33.24 | Chocky | yes. damn those moving British barriers. |
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| 02:15.29 | raster | SpeedEvil: so... how many parts were lying arund after puting it back together? just 1 or 2 screws? or a few plastic and other bits too? |
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| 02:32.05 | SpeedEvil | raster: a couple of screws. Though it took me a week to put the last connector back. Diddn't notice wiper wasn't working. |
| 02:34.09 | raster | hahahaha |
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| 06:38.38 | johnsu01 | Is there anyway to do right click in shr? |
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| 06:39.22 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: there're different tricks |
| 06:39.44 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: are you running x.org there? Then you can try my temporary remapping with xmodmap trick. |
| 06:39.57 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: also if you're interested in generic solution i have a few pointers. |
| 06:40.23 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: claws-mail generally needs right click to work |
| 06:40.40 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: libgtkstylus trick is limited to gtk obviously. Also there's some tslib trick iirc. |
| 06:40.55 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: why not mutt? |
| 06:41.53 | johnsu01 | hm, well, emacs is here, I guess I can do gnus |
| 06:43.03 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: sure, if you're comfortable with gnus support for the regular mail. Somehow (i don't remember exact reasons) i still prefer mutt for my gmail account, though i'm using gnus regularly for the newsgroups (gmane nntp) and tried it for my mail account too. |
| 06:43.30 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Yeah, I use gnus everywhere else for email |
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| 06:44.26 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: if you like an idea of using a small widget looking like mouse with an active button highlighted (and to change it you press the widget itself), you can take a look at xmonobut. It's a bit outdated but i think it can be made to work. |
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| 06:45.02 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Thanks, I'll check it out. I used a widget like that when I first got my FR and I thought it worked well. |
| 06:45.45 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: btw, i spent quite some time trying to cross-compile emacs only to find out that it's not possible in a clear and convenient way. Nevertheless i'm sure we need ready-to-use emacs23 packages for FR or else fso.el wouldn't get enough attention and bugfixes. |
| 06:46.16 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Yeah, maybe I can have a look at that this weekend... |
| 06:46.34 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: are you interested in the details? |
| 06:46.43 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: the main problem is emacs building process itself... |
| 06:47.14 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Yes, but I think I'm going to sleep before wrestling with anything further |
| 06:47.35 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: first of all, it uses two compiled programs on host during the compilation, one to check "integrity" of the code (useless obviously), the other to generate some docs (not very useful too). |
| 06:48.33 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: the second issue is bootstrapping. I almost got there by substituting a host emacs23 in place of first-stage bootstrap emacs23 and got almost everything needed for it to work, but |
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| 06:49.52 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: the final stage should be performed on an ARM device because it's basically "temacs" executable loading into the memory the core lisp code and then "dumping" itself becoming an "emacs" executable. So this step needs to be outsourced to qemu/FR, other than that i almost got decent Debian packages. |
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| 06:51.16 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: alternatively, you can build emacs23 on FR itself and it should take less than 12 hours provided you use distcc to outsource all C compiling to crosscompiler. |
| 06:52.09 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Hm, I compiled it just fine previously with distcc in just a couple hours |
| 06:52.11 | cz_jc | right click: tslib has a right click support patch |
| 06:52.29 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: 4-5 hours is less than 12. |
| 06:53.01 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: to sum up, count me in, i'd like to see up-to-date emacs23 packages readily available from somewhere. |
| 06:53.04 | cz_jc | you need to inject that option using hal policy when using hal or in xorg.conf when statically configured |
| 06:53.50 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Okay, I will see what I can do, I'm interested in getting it working again |
| 06:53.54 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i personally like xmonobut approach more than "hold it for 2 sec" right-click. |
| 06:54.20 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, the 'hold it' approach is a bit rusty.. for example it doesn't know when you're actually trying to drag |
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| 06:55.09 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: proves my point :) |
| 06:56.04 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, well I think thats a point to improve it, not to throw it away :) |
| 06:56.22 | cz_jc | there could be something like movement threshold implemented |
| 06:56.24 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: what's wrong with xmonobut way? |
| 06:56.34 | cz_jc | AFAIK, the patch wasn't even sent to tslib maintainers, thats bad imo |
| 06:56.40 | cz_jc | its work of debian folklore |
| 06:56.59 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I used that a lot on the DS and I hated it.. |
| 06:57.07 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I just prefer the hold way :) |
| 06:59.31 | cz_jc | in Gentoo, we just copied it into our tree and patch it anyway, theres no upstream tracking bug open for it |
| 06:59.46 | cz_jc | does anyone here know tslib devs by chance ? |
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| 14:39.47 | stongo | hello. |
| 14:40.45 | stongo | has anyone had trouble setting up swap on their SD card ... using shr unstable |
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| 14:43.36 | stongo | swapon keeps failing ... it says "can't stat.../foo/bar/swapfile: location does not exist" |
| 14:43.54 | stongo | but /foo/bar/swapfile is there |
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| 14:46.24 | panicking | stongo, whay do you use a swapfile? |
| 14:49.05 | Defiant | probably because he as only as much ram as I do in his freerunner, which is a good reason to use one |
| 14:50.04 | panicking | swapfile on embedded device |
| 14:50.07 | panicking | is not so common |
| 14:50.11 | panicking | I never used it |
| 14:51.58 | Defiant | you need ne when running apps like OOo on it ;) |
| 14:54.06 | stongo | panicking: for running upgrade |
| 14:54.10 | mjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.12 | stongo | it freezes on me |
| 14:54.33 | panicking | can you stop |
| 14:54.39 | panicking | the xserver |
| 14:54.45 | panicking | ? |
| 14:54.53 | stongo | when it freezes? |
| 14:56.18 | stongo | I think it's handy to be able to setup a swapfile.. I just don't get why it's failing on swapon |
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| 14:56.42 | panicking | The update in the fso |
| 14:56.44 | panicking | is done using |
| 14:56.50 | panicking | apt-get o ipkg |
| 14:56.50 | panicking | ? |
| 14:56.58 | panicking | Is it a shell command |
| 14:56.59 | panicking | ? |
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| 14:58.13 | stongo | first mkswap /foo/bar/swapfile |
| 14:58.23 | stongo | and then swapon /foo/bar/swapfile |
| 14:58.51 | stongo | but it keeps failing. my friend has done it with no problem, running the exact same commands, so i'm very confused right now |
| 14:59.30 | stongo | i'm setting it at /media/card/tmp/swapfile ... same location as my friend |
| 15:02.26 | stongo | not even Mr. Google has been able to help me. can't even find anyone who's had the same problem. |
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| 15:05.13 | panicking | wait a minute |
| 15:05.55 | panicking | what is the error |
| 15:05.56 | panicking | ? |
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| 15:06.25 | stongo | here's the instructin i'm following: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#SwapSpace |
| 15:06.31 | SpeedEvil | you can't swap on jffs |
| 15:06.55 | panicking | you can't mmap |
| 15:06.59 | panicking | on a jffs2 |
| 15:07.02 | stongo | swapon: cannot stat /media/card/tmp/swapfile: No such file or directory |
| 15:08.17 | stongo | so that's the problem? I can't setup a swap on a jffs2 image I've flashed? |
| 15:08.25 | UberNeo | HI all I have got my NEO toda |
| 15:09.39 | stongo | congratulations uberneo :) |
| 15:09.52 | UberNeo | to find which revision i have ..this is the outout i am getting /proc/cpuinfo --- Revision : 24420360 |
| 15:10.08 | UberNeo | which one it will be |
| 15:10.59 | SpeedEvil | You can never swap on any file on a jffs filesystem |
| 15:11.19 | panicking | create a empty |
| 15:11.20 | panicking | file |
| 15:11.23 | panicking | using o loop |
| 15:11.28 | Fox_Muldr | jssf2 is the filesystem on the flash but the swapfile is located on the sd-card which doesn't use jffs2 so why shouldn't it work? i also have a swapfile for ma OS in flash |
| 15:11.31 | panicking | and format as a partition |
| 15:11.33 | panicking | ext3 |
| 15:11.38 | panicking | use lopp device |
| 15:11.40 | panicking | to mount it |
| 15:11.51 | panicking | is it possible |
| 15:11.52 | panicking | ? |
| 15:12.01 | Fox_Muldr | i don't think he want to add a swapfile on the flash |
| 15:12.21 | Fox_Muldr | os is installed in flash and swapfile is on sd-card works without problems |
| 15:13.11 | Fox_Muldr | but it would make no sense to add a swapfile on the flash build in the neo |
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| 15:13.22 | stongo | panicking: are you trying to find out if it's writable? I did "mv swapfile swapfilenew" to test if it was writable. it worked fine. |
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| 15:14.09 | stongo | the card is formatted as ext3 already |
| 15:14.26 | stongo | i also tried formatting as vfat with same results |
| 15:14.38 | Fox_Muldr | sounds good. my sd card is also ext3 |
| 15:15.35 | panicking | ls -l /media/card/tmp/swapfile |
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| 15:16.18 | Fox_Muldr | don't know why these basic commands doesn't work for you. i only did dd for creating my swapfile and then mkswap and swapon with that file to activate it |
| 15:17.05 | stongo | panicking: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 67108864 |
| 15:17.11 | Fox_Muldr | maybe the kernel.log or messages.log file has any more info why it doesn't work? |
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| 15:17.33 | stongo | fox: i did exactly that... dd, mkswap and swapon |
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| 15:18.57 | Fox_Muldr | "No such file or directory" is quite a mysterious error message if the file exists :) |
| 15:19.17 | stongo | another error I get when I don't include the path and run swapon from /media/card/tmp is : "swapon: /swapfile: Invalide Argument" |
| 15:19.35 | stongo | *Invalid |
| 15:20.14 | Fox_Muldr | already tried in the ircnet channel #linux or #linux.de? there are real linux cracks :) |
| 15:20.33 | panicking | -v |
| 15:20.35 | panicking | please |
| 15:20.41 | panicking | can you try with verbose info |
| 15:20.42 | panicking | ? |
| 15:21.38 | panicking | swapon -v </path> |
| 15:22.47 | stongo | -v is not a valid option |
| 15:23.04 | stongo | fox: no I haven't.. I'll try there |
| 15:23.08 | panicking | you have the busybox implemntetin |
| 15:23.21 | stongo | panicking: yes |
| 15:23.30 | Fox_Muldr | first thing i did in shr-u was to replace all busybox tools ;) |
| 15:23.32 | stongo | v1.13.2 |
| 15:23.52 | stongo | hrm... could that be causing the problem? |
| 15:23.54 | Fox_Muldr | maybe this is the it... try to use the real tools |
| 15:24.13 | stongo | how do I switch ? |
| 15:24.17 | Fox_Muldr | most busybox tools are restricted compared to the original tools |
| 15:24.34 | Fox_Muldr | just install the tools and they will replace the busybox tools |
| 15:25.42 | stongo | ok, let me try that! |
| 15:25.47 | stongo | thanks for everyone's time and help |
| 15:26.18 | panicking | no problem |
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| 15:26.56 | Fox_Muldr | util-linux should be the package which you need |
| 15:30.10 | ferluszt | hi, which is the standard browser in shr-u, can't find anything in the repos? |
| 15:30.25 | UberNeo | hw do i find the hardware version of my Neo |
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| 15:36.51 | stongo | found the problem with swapon |
| 15:36.53 | stongo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.22 | Fox_Muldr | is swapon and mkswap a bash script or why do you need sh for that to work? |
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| 15:37.55 | stongo | because swapon calls stat apparently |
| 15:38.08 | Fox_Muldr | ah okok, so "stat" is missing? :) |
| 15:38.37 | stongo | yes, that is the problem |
| 15:38.46 | stongo | but I have no idea why it's missing |
| 15:38.52 | stongo | busybox? |
| 15:39.17 | Fox_Muldr | search for the package stat relates to and reinstall it |
| 15:40.14 | panicking | busybox is a partial implementation |
| 15:40.20 | panicking | of a series of command |
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| 15:41.34 | stongo | i'm just curious why no one using shr-u has had this problem.. maybe it was just the particular image I installed |
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| 15:49.37 | Chocky | moo |
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| 16:31.41 | cichlid | hi! |
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| 16:32.16 | cichlid | considering my frameworkd.conf http://debian.pastebin.com/m771caf56 do you think it is normal i can't give a call even if i catch gsm network ? |
| 16:32.32 | cichlid | (i use SHR-unstable freshly upgraded) |
| 16:35.00 | cichlid | no idea ? |
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| 16:45.04 | panicking | I have no idea in what happen |
| 16:45.09 | panicking | but can you describe |
| 16:45.10 | panicking | ? |
| 16:45.20 | panicking | Because I have a quite similar layer |
| 16:45.23 | panicking | in android system |
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| 17:02.46 | jhass8401 | Hi, can anyone help me with debian install problem? |
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| 17:31.25 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: Are you there? |
| 17:36.32 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc20384fdb657 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/resource.vala: fsodeviced: remove debugging code |
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| 18:16.34 | CooL_SPoT | can someone explain to me how to install (updated) android on my freerunner? |
| 18:16.48 | CooL_SPoT | openmoko.org guide is terrible |
| 18:17.32 | CooL_SPoT | i have freerunner-cupcake-snapshot-v15.jffs2 |
| 18:17.43 | CooL_SPoT | but i cann't mount it |
| 18:18.25 | UndrWater | CooL_SPoT: how are you trying to install? flash? |
| 18:18.34 | CooL_SPoT | SD |
| 18:18.49 | UndrWater | where's the trouble so far? |
| 18:18.55 | CooL_SPoT | i downloaded Mntjffs.sh |
| 18:19.02 | CooL_SPoT | but it give me errors |
| 18:19.21 | CooL_SPoT | the trouble is trying to mount the file system to copy it |
| 18:19.36 | UndrWater | ahh...have you read any of the mount jffs2 stuff on the wiki? |
| 18:20.00 | CooL_SPoT | one second |
| 18:20.03 | CooL_SPoT | i will have a look |
| 18:20.22 | UndrWater | do you have a link to that script? |
| 18:20.42 | CooL_SPoT | one second |
| 18:20.46 | CooL_SPoT | i will try the manual |
| 18:20.50 | CooL_SPoT | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jffs2 |
| 18:21.33 | UndrWater | what's your distro? |
| 18:21.44 | CooL_SPoT | okk, worked :) |
| 18:21.48 | CooL_SPoT | mandriva |
| 18:22.10 | CooL_SPoT | now i will copy the files |
| 18:22.14 | UndrWater | should be OK then...let me know if you get it running...i got as far as kernel running, then it panicked on the file system |
| 18:22.32 | CooL_SPoT | what kernel did you used? |
| 18:22.37 | Kagee | http://www.vg.no/teknologi/artikkel.php?artid=578201 |
| 18:23.21 | UndrWater | the one from panicking site |
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| 18:24.01 | CooL_SPoT | uImage-v24.bin? |
| 18:24.09 | UndrWater | sounds right...hang on |
| 18:24.43 | UndrWater | yeah...24 |
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| 18:25.20 | UndrWater | i think i tried a couple of the others, but couldn't boot the fs |
| 18:27.13 | CooL_SPoT | amm |
| 18:27.24 | CooL_SPoT | something wired |
| 18:27.37 | CooL_SPoT | the "data" directory on the image is empty |
| 18:30.04 | UndrWater | i believe that is as it should be...gets filled with your stuff |
| 18:30.11 | UndrWater | music, photos and such |
| 18:30.39 | UndrWater | the typical install put the "data" directory on a fat partition |
| 18:30.48 | CooL_SPoT | :) ok |
| 18:32.20 | CooL_SPoT | installed |
| 18:32.24 | CooL_SPoT | now lets try it |
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| 18:41.47 | UndrWater | and? |
| 18:42.03 | UndrWater | CooL_SPoT: any luck? |
| 18:42.18 | CooL_SPoT | didn't got t |
| 18:42.28 | CooL_SPoT | didn't got the part it boots :) |
| 18:42.34 | UndrWater | ? |
| 18:42.42 | CooL_SPoT | it booted to the flash |
| 18:42.43 | UndrWater | it does boot? |
| 18:42.54 | UndrWater | you mean NAND? |
| 18:42.57 | CooL_SPoT | yes |
| 18:43.00 | CooL_SPoT | to the NAND |
| 18:43.06 | UndrWater | you're using qi? |
| 18:43.15 | CooL_SPoT | yep |
| 18:43.23 | UndrWater | did you rename the kernel? |
| 18:43.28 | CooL_SPoT | i did something wrong |
| 18:43.58 | UndrWater | you have to have a /boot directory and kernel has to have a specific name for qi to recognize it |
| 18:44.00 | CooL_SPoT | does it need to boot from FAT partition? |
| 18:44.03 | UndrWater | no |
| 18:44.08 | UndrWater | it didn't for me... |
| 18:44.16 | CooL_SPoT | its ext3 |
| 18:44.35 | UndrWater | should be fine...did you put kernel in /boot directory? and rename it for qi? |
| 18:44.44 | CooL_SPoT | wired :| |
| 18:44.48 | CooL_SPoT | you are right |
| 18:44.53 | CooL_SPoT | the file isn't in the right place |
| 18:45.13 | UndrWater | is it named correctly? |
| 18:45.26 | CooL_SPoT | yep |
| 18:45.28 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: heh, you're doing good ;) |
| 18:45.29 | CooL_SPoT | i will try to boot again |
| 18:45.47 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: not bad for a social worker? |
| 18:46.01 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: indeed |
| 18:46.11 | CooL_SPoT | ok |
| 18:46.16 | CooL_SPoT | now i see it boots |
| 18:46.22 | CooL_SPoT | and yes |
| 18:46.25 | CooL_SPoT | a kernel panic |
| 18:46.26 | CooL_SPoT | :) |
| 18:46.41 | CooL_SPoT | "no init found" |
| 18:46.54 | UndrWater | i couldn't get past that point...there are some init scripts at the download site thet probably will help... |
| 18:47.07 | UndrWater | i haven't had time to play with them though |
| 18:47.14 | UndrWater | what was the panic |
| 18:48.39 | UndrWater | such as the init.rc-cupcake |
| 18:48.54 | UndrWater | but the kernel has to reconize the fs first |
| 18:49.29 | CooL_SPoT | on the wiki i see |
| 18:49.31 | CooL_SPoT | "wget http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/init.rc" |
| 18:49.37 | CooL_SPoT | to the root directory |
| 18:50.17 | UndrWater | CooL_SPoT: also look at http://www.fragcom.de/android/ |
| 18:50.29 | UndrWater | there's a kernel specific to ext3...just saw that one |
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| 18:55.22 | UndrWater | CooL_SPoT: let me know how it goes |
| 18:55.35 | CooL_SPoT | np |
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| 19:37.43 | djp` | anyone else here, using shr-unstable, and noticed that the sketch app doesn't work? i receive about 4 or 4 messages informingme of missing .png files and then it reports an application error. |
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| 19:40.42 | UndrWater | djp`: iirc it worked for me...but i never really liked it...i prefer xournal (may be heavier though) |
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| 19:45.30 | djp` | UndrWater. thanks. i've just been checking out the install. just wondered if it was a default install issue, but probably not if you've had it working. maybe my install went weird when that app was being downloaded? |
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| 20:12.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | djp`: nah, it's borked in current upgrade level |
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| 20:16.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm looking for the site that was logging cellphone mast IDs |
| 20:16.22 | SpeedEvil | can anyone remind me of the name? |
| 20:16.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently trying to get my 3G dongle workin |
| 20:16.31 | SpeedEvil | g |
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| 20:30.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | djp`: opkg install gpe-icons |
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| 20:32.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | djp`: missing dependency in gpe-sketch |
| 20:37.10 | PaulFertser | brolin: hey |
| 20:38.22 | PaulFertser | brolin: (speaking of purism) your message is not conformant to 80-columns traditional terminal width ;) |
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| 20:44.20 | CooL_SPoT | someone PLEASE create a simple installation for android for freerunner |
| 20:44.22 | CooL_SPoT | :| |
| 20:45.10 | PaulFertser | brolin: (women) i'm also surprised to realise there's almost no female "advanced" users and even less developers in our (and other free software) communities. :-/ I know 3 girls who use Gentoo but they're still not nearly as nerdy as e.g. me. |
| 20:45.38 | PaulFertser | CooL_SPoT: android sucks -- semi-open end-user targeted shit ;) |
| 20:46.22 | CooL_SPoT | it may be sucks |
| 20:46.36 | CooL_SPoT | but no other os on freerunner have as much as applications |
| 20:46.42 | PaulFertser | CooL_SPoT: lol |
| 20:46.47 | PaulFertser | CooL_SPoT: debian has more i bet |
| 20:47.00 | CooL_SPoT | debian applications are desktop applications |
| 20:47.06 | CooL_SPoT | not mobile ones |
| 20:47.45 | CooL_SPoT | for a mobile device applications need to be easier to use |
| 20:47.56 | PaulFertser | CooL_SPoT: android applications are mostly proprietary end-user targeted "mobile"/useless apps. AFAIK |
| 20:48.08 | CooL_SPoT | did you try use debian on freerunner ? |
| 20:48.17 | CooL_SPoT | its so slooooooowww |
| 20:48.18 | Defiant | CooL_SPoT: yeah desktop apllications like xskat or gpe-calendar won't work on freerunner |
| 20:48.20 | PaulFertser | CooL_SPoT: i use it as my only cellphone since November. |
| 20:49.07 | CooL_SPoT | Defiant: try to use abiword |
| 20:49.12 | CooL_SPoT | its nearly impossible |
| 20:49.31 | Defiant | CooL_SPoT: why would I want to do that? |
| 20:49.48 | CooL_SPoT | amm |
| 20:49.51 | PaulFertser | I don't want to use WYSIWIG shit even on desktop ;) |
| 20:49.59 | Defiant | ^ |
| 20:51.12 | CooL_SPoT | did you manage to make debian work at normal speed under freerunner? |
| 20:51.35 | Defiant | what is normal for you? |
| 20:51.50 | PaulFertser | Let's better discuss gals! |
| 20:51.58 | CooL_SPoT | normal is that you don't need to wait a long time before things work |
| 20:52.28 | CooL_SPoT | you clikc on icon, and don't wait long time before it works |
| 20:52.37 | CooL_SPoT | *click |
| 20:54.54 | Defiant | CooL_SPoT: like you always wait 30s until xterm starts? |
| 20:55.34 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: take them under your wing |
| 20:55.39 | CooL_SPoT | 30s? |
| 20:55.49 | UndrWater | thirty seconds |
| 20:55.49 | CooL_SPoT | its a long time |
| 20:56.24 | CooL_SPoT | i have now om2008 |
| 20:57.59 | Weiss | more like 5-10, but i agree it takes too long |
| 20:58.14 | Weiss | i think the overall feel would be improved a LOT if we could find a way to make things open quicker |
| 20:58.16 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: Do you mean them==gals==girls? |
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| 20:58.28 | UndrWater | correct |
| 20:59.50 | Defiant | Weiss: I don't really think thats a good idea. The only way I could think of is by loading apps into ram - and 128MB is really not much |
| 21:00.19 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: wouldn't "taking under a wing" be against general notion of equality? |
| 21:00.42 | Defiant | Weiss: but xterm really needs 10s for you? |
| 21:01.10 | djp` | DocScrutinizer-8: hi there. :) thanks. so by installing the gpe-icons, it will fix the missing pixmaps and allow the app to run? |
| 21:01.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yes |
| 21:01.37 | PaulFertser | CooL_SPoT: let me tell you, for me xterm started in 9 seconds (and that is slow xterm, not fast urxvtc, and slow bash, not fast dash). |
| 21:02.03 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: not in my view...while the "them" in current conversation == gals, it could be any kind of student being taught, led, encouraged by a teacher |
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| 21:02.35 | UndrWater | if teacher / student relationship is viewed as unequal, then maybe |
| 21:03.49 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: most of my students don't want to feel equal, they say: "you're uber-smart and we're not, do not demand anything from us". |
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| 21:05.27 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: i can't stand that kind of thinking...but in my country US, we seem to encourage it |
| 21:06.06 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: i'm not sure but probably here it's even worse. We have several factors. |
| 21:06.44 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: first is the fact it's easy to get anything provided you have enough money. Can't pass the test -- just give somebody some money. |
| 21:07.07 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: second is that there's no well-defined exam tests, all exam results are highly subjective. |
| 21:07.11 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: sounds kind of familiar |
| 21:07.23 | UndrWater | that's different |
| 21:08.23 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: third is we still have mandatory military service and boys who go to universities get delay from it for the time of education (during that they can collect enough money to somehow avoid the military service or they can "contunue" education and get a degree with which the military service is not mandatory). |
| 21:08.33 | Defiant | hmm xterm starts in much less then 10s here |
| 21:09.12 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: as to the girls -- some of them clearly don't have any idea why they came to the university, so they lack not only skills but also a motivation :-/ |
| 21:09.23 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: sounds like "mandatory" military service then |
| 21:09.46 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: yeah, very true |
| 21:09.53 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: we have "community colleges" where women come to find husbands |
| 21:10.37 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: oh, i was told several times that it's one of the main factors for women to "study" but i could never really believe it. |
| 21:11.22 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: i think women are still a bit socialized not to study too hard, or go into traditionally male dominated fieds |
| 21:11.24 | UndrWater | *fields |
| 21:12.38 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: pay scale for women is still discriminatory here as well, so that must be a bit demotivating |
| 21:13.16 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: OTOH i can hardly imagine how that "a bit" can lead to the situation where i know of no free software project where leading role was taken by a woman. Neither do i know anything about "great female hackers" or the like. It's hardly explainable only by "improper breeding" and the like. |
| 21:14.23 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: so maybe "a bit" is an underestimation...or something else is going on |
| 21:15.14 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: my impression was that in both Europe and USA women are pretty much emancipated for quite some time already. |
| 21:16.46 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: depends on what you mean by "emancipation" ;) things are way better than they were 40 years ago...but "official" reality is way different that "social" reality |
| 21:17.33 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: i guess the same can be applied also to "race equality" |
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| 21:18.24 | Chocky | dances on all your heads |
| 21:18.40 | PaulFertser | Chocky: please refrain from OT ;) |
| 21:18.50 | Chocky | dances on all your FRs |
| 21:19.03 | UndrWater | :P |
| 21:19.07 | PaulFertser | Man, you're kinky |
| 21:19.08 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: indeed |
| 21:19.56 | PaulFertser | "Erotic is using a feather; Kinky is using the whole chicken" |
| 21:22.24 | UndrWater | how about just using the chicken foot |
| 21:23.04 | UndrWater | umm...i hope no one needing help is being derailed by this convo? |
| 21:24.13 | PaulFertser | I hope some android apologets are. :P |
| 21:24.30 | Chocky | apologists? |
| 21:25.32 | Kagee | is a fso-cli image my best choice if i want a low battery drain, and only use the gps for logging? |
| 21:26.23 | PaulFertser | Chocky: yeah, sure |
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| 21:44.01 | ajvogel | anybody here use (k)ubuntu 9.04 with a reliable way to establish usb networking? |
| 21:46.42 | UndrWater | ajvogel: what makes your way unreliable? |
| 21:47.39 | UndrWater | ajvogel: and be aware it differs with the distro you're using on the phone |
| 21:48.16 | ajvogel | UndrWater: It seems ad hoc, I have to try several times to get a connection. When I do get a connection and ssh in to the FR, sometimes it freezes after a few minutes |
| 21:48.42 | UndrWater | what distro? |
| 21:48.50 | ajvogel | SHR-U |
| 21:48.58 | UndrWater | latest update? |
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| 21:49.55 | ajvogel | updated about a week ago. Got the connection working now. So gonna try and upgrade to the latest while I have the connection |
| 21:50.14 | UndrWater | btw...is it usb0 or ethx? |
| 21:50.22 | ajvogel | ehtx |
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| 21:50.56 | ajvogel | it freezed again halfway through opkg update |
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| 21:51.38 | UndrWater | are you sure ubuntu is the problem? |
| 21:51.49 | UndrWater | can you update via wifi using the terminal without usb? |
| 21:54.20 | ajvogel | afraid, haven`t got wifi sorted out yet. Figured it was ubuntu since i`ve had similar results with different versions of SHR-U and Om2009 |
| 21:56.08 | ajvogel | its just really getting annoying now since im trying to sort out the other stuff on my FR, but it takes ages to get a connection. |
| 22:04.06 | Kagee | does fso milestone 5.5 implement all that 5.1 implements (only faster), or is it a comple rewrite from scratch ? |
| 22:07.55 | max_posedon | impelment all that 5.1 but have less bugs and couple new features |
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| 22:11.20 | Kagee | thanks |
| 22:11.40 | Kagee | it does however not look like 5.5 has a console-image, only zhone-images |
| 22:12.24 | Kagee | and i think i want the console-one |
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| 22:14.15 | max_posedon | fso milestone 5.5 itself is a software framework |
| 22:14.27 | max_posedon | not disto, not some packages, not anything except this |
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| 22:17.14 | Kagee | aha |
| 22:17.20 | Kagee | i see |
| 22:23.03 | Kagee | but they thiss appear to have zhone-images. |
| 22:23.23 | Kagee | I donæt feel like kompiling my own kernel :-? and "installing" fso there |
| 22:23.43 | max_posedon | you can take shr-unstable and use fso5.5 |
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| 22:27.19 | Kagee | (never tried shr) - it delivered w. graphics and preinstalled programs, right? |
| 22:29.07 | max_posedon | yes |
| 22:29.27 | Kagee | that's what i dont want :) |
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| 22:29.51 | max_posedon | so install, and remove unneed |
| 22:30.02 | max_posedon | or take your favorite distro |
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| 22:43.27 | Kagee | well, if anyone can point me in the direction of something that feels like a fso5.5-console-image, i'll be happy |
| 22:43.30 | Kagee | god night |
| 22:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: install SHR-U, then do "opkg remove -force-depends X" and you're pretty much done ;-) |
| 22:47.14 | Kagee | that was quick |
| 22:47.24 | Kagee | Will that remove x aswell ? |
| 22:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | well the idea is to remove X-server and all that depends on it |
| 22:48.28 | Kagee | thanks - i'll try that tomorrow |
| 22:48.29 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you need to remove xglamo, or xorg. Not sure about that |
| 22:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | just check what packages are installed - with opkg |
| 22:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure you'll figure easily |
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