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| 05:21.32 | Docscrutinizer-8 | ~botsnack |
| 05:21.32 | ibot | :), Docscrutinizer-8 |
| 05:22.09 | Docscrutinizer-8 | ~seen apt |
| 05:22.10 | ibot | i haven't seen 'apt', Docscrutinizer-8 |
| 05:26.05 | Docscrutinizer-8 | ~literal /nick apt |
| 05:35.38 | Docscrutinizer-8 | ~chnick ibot apt |
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| 05:59.31 | CIA-7 | openmoko: wm8753fl.fpd |
| 05:59.31 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - added solder paste layer for thermal land |
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| 07:22.38 | cdbot2 | brolin, go look in a mirror. |
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| 07:24.18 | cdbot2 | brolin, I don't remember seeing anything. |
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| 07:26.14 | transylvania | hello all, I have a small problem here: I wanted to make the buzz fix operation by myself but no electronic resseler here have cms-components, does anyone knows a good online shop for a few of such components ? |
| 07:27.48 | ndnihil | depends on where you're located |
| 07:28.04 | transylvania | South of France |
| 07:28.20 | ndnihil | ah, no idea then |
| 07:28.26 | ndnihil | well |
| 07:28.36 | ndnihil | farnell will probably ship there |
| 07:28.40 | ndnihil | I think they're UK based |
| 07:29.11 | ndnihil | http://www.farnell.com/ |
| 07:29.13 | transylvania | aok |
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| 07:29.37 | ndnihil | they even have a flag just for france |
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| 10:30.51 | russh | Morning all! I know the full shr images got moved to the /old subdirectory - but are they deprecated or still good to use? |
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| 10:59.19 | Daramarak | I heard that the full images were broken. I think it was on the ML |
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| 11:20.43 | naeg | hi all |
| 11:21.43 | Daramarak | hi |
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| 13:22.46 | Fox_Muldr | does anyone know what discharging current in mA is a normal value in standby and how it should differ before/after the 1024 gsm fix? |
| 13:24.37 | Fox_Muldr | i did a measurement of discharging in percent and calculated the corresponding discharging in ma from this values. at the moment i got ~9,3mA discharging current in standby. is this good or should it be lower with gsm activated? |
| 13:25.51 | max_posedon | without #1024 bug fix I have ~20mA |
| 13:27.05 | Fox_Muldr | ok, compared to that 9,3mA is quite good |
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| 13:47.23 | Docscrutinizer-8 | sleep=4 results in gsm alone eating ~8mA here. sleep=2 15mA. #1024-fix does NOT change standby current by itself |
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| 13:49.08 | Docscrutinizer-8 | gsm standby current depends on network situation |
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| 15:36.28 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:51.25 | naeg | hey PaulFertser |
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| 15:56.29 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reb7b95aed3a5 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/accelerometer.vala: fsodeviced: add accelerometer.vala |
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| 16:14.51 | PaulFertser | naeg: hi |
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| 16:15.36 | naeg | PaulFertser: we got a new error msg, which we can't handle |
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| 16:16.08 | naeg | PaulFertser: [ 2235.040000] UBIFS error (pid 1135): ubifs_read_node: bad node type (255 but expected 6) |
| 16:16.11 | naeg | [ 2235.040000] UBIFS error (pid 1135): ubifs_read_node: bad node at LEB 0:0 |
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| 16:16.35 | naeg | i made a new image with other flags for mkfs.ubifs and ubinize, we'll see |
| 16:16.43 | PaulFertser | naeg: interesting |
| 16:16.51 | naeg | PaulFertser: idea what it means? |
| 16:17.53 | PaulFertser | naeg: need to read the source |
| 16:18.02 | PaulFertser | naeg: i'd need to read to have an idea |
| 16:18.09 | PaulFertser | naeg: probably i will a bit later |
| 16:19.04 | naeg | PaulFertser: i'll try it with the new image, and if that doesn't work i will compile the kernel with ubifs debug |
| 16:19.29 | PaulFertser | naeg: sounds like a plan, with debug messages it'll be much easier to track it down. |
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| 16:19.53 | naeg | yes, but i thought you might know it |
| 16:21.04 | naeg | PaulFertser: something different this time |
| 16:21.08 | naeg | [ 4304.005000] UBIFS error (pid 1160): validate_sb: LEB size mismatch: 129024 in superblock, 126976 real |
| 16:21.10 | naeg | [ 4304.005000] UBIFS error (pid 1160): validate_sb: bad superblock, error 1 |
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| 16:23.31 | naeg | sounds like flags are still wrong... |
| 16:26.03 | _phil | naeg: you did forget to change that -e parameter |
| 16:27.15 | naeg | _phil: i did mkfs.ubifs<...> -e 126976 |
| 16:29.53 | PaulFertser | naeg: and should that change be also made for ubinize? |
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| 16:30.17 | naeg | PaulFertser: ubinize takes peb as flag, not leb |
| 16:30.42 | naeg | _phil said for peb it should be -p 131072 |
| 16:34.23 | PaulFertser | naeg: Have you tried this --> "Please, use the Use the ubiformat utility to flash the resulting UBI image. Also, you can find detailed description of how UBI-aware flashing programs should work in this section" |
| 16:35.19 | naeg | PaulFertser: i did it with flasherase_all and nandwrite, as you showed me yesterday |
| 16:36.17 | PaulFertser | naeg: well, quite possibly i was wrong, looks like UBI needs more advanced tools. |
| 16:36.37 | naeg | i'll try it |
| 16:36.51 | PaulFertser | naeg: flasherase_all+nandwrite works for jffs2 and other images we use, so it's definetely better than dd you were going to try ;) |
| 16:44.25 | naeg | PaulFertser: exactly the same error, so flasherase_all and nandwrite seem to do the same as ubiformat |
| 16:45.10 | PaulFertser | naeg: ok, it looks like ubiformat preserves erase counter so we should use it later to "reflash", when other issues are sorted out. |
| 16:45.47 | PaulFertser | naeg: so you still have validate_sb: LEB size mismatch: 129024 in superblock, 126976 real error? |
| 16:46.38 | naeg | PaulFertser: yes. shall i set leb back to 129024? |
| 16:46.56 | PaulFertser | naeg: let me see the code first |
| 16:47.30 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r2b319e67cf52 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: catch up with upstream as of SVN rev 42349 |
| 16:51.18 | PaulFertser | naeg: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_lebsz_mismatch |
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| 16:55.12 | naeg | PaulFertser: so what i wanted to do ;) i hope we don't get back to any other error again we had before... |
| 16:55.52 | PaulFertser | naeg: but you need to set "126976" and you say you already did that. |
| 16:56.13 | PaulFertser | naeg: and pass -p 128KiB to ubinize. |
| 16:57.37 | naeg | PaulFertser: ah, i thought the other way round |
| 16:58.37 | naeg | PaulFertser: i think i didn't change the config.ini and i took the old ubifs image...my fault |
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| 17:00.22 | naeg | PaulFertser: i used -p 131072 for ubinize, which comes to the same |
| 17:00.39 | PaulFertser | naeg: right |
| 17:01.27 | naeg | copying it to neo and then flashing it with ubiformat... |
| 17:05.16 | PaulFertser | naeg: logical erase block should be 128*1024 - 2*2048 which is exactly 126976, as expected. |
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| 17:09.23 | PaulFertser | naeg: "UBI requires 2 minimum I/O units out of each Physical Erase Block (PEB) for overhead" and minimum io unit is what you pass as "-m" |
| 17:09.44 | naeg | PaulFertser: 2048 |
| 17:09.56 | naeg | PaulFertser: i use the flags you told me, i think you got them from OE |
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| 17:10.14 | naeg | PaulFertser: MOUNTED :D |
| 17:10.32 | PaulFertser | naeg: 2048 looks correct. I'm just explaining the formula: 128*1024 - 2*2048 |
| 17:10.41 | PaulFertser | naeg: so everything it took are correct flags? |
| 17:10.57 | naeg | PaulFertser: seems so |
| 17:11.00 | PaulFertser | naeg: congrats, and thanks for persistence! :D |
| 17:11.09 | PaulFertser | _phil: thank you too :D |
| 17:11.19 | naeg | i thank you PaulFertser |
| 17:11.37 | naeg | will tell you the results of the speedtest against only sd, and maybe also against jffs2 |
| 17:12.28 | PaulFertser | naeg: sd is really slow on gta02. |
| 17:13.08 | naeg | PaulFertser: the problem is that we take up alot of space, so the NAND is only enough for the basesys, no X etc |
| 17:13.43 | PaulFertser | naeg: i know... in fact gta03 was planned to be without NAND at all. |
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| 17:14.13 | naeg | PaulFertser: really? no internal memory? |
| 17:14.33 | tag8tag | hey guys |
| 17:15.34 | PaulFertser | naeg: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/UBIFS_initial_experiments <-- looks like a really decent source of information, i advice to add a link to your wiki. |
| 17:15.37 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes |
| 17:15.56 | PaulFertser | naeg: since sd performance were supposed to be resolved on gta03 they decided to drop expensive nand altogether. |
| 17:16.20 | SeligArkin | That seems... unwise for some reason |
| 17:16.33 | naeg | PaulFertser: but they wanted to make 2 sd card slots or something, didn't they? |
| 17:16.34 | SpeedEvil | Don't see why. |
| 17:16.46 | PaulFertser | naeg: they didn't |
| 17:17.54 | SpeedEvil | lack of two slots would be annoying IMO. |
| 17:17.58 | SpeedEvil | But not very so. |
| 17:18.41 | naeg | you could make a RAID on your neo :D |
| 17:18.43 | _phil | PaulFertser: btw. did you receive the patch for Qi? |
| 17:19.34 | SpeedEvil | naeg: I'm more interested in the use-case where I want to plug in my camera SD, and pull some photos off it - forex. |
| 17:19.51 | SpeedEvil | naeg: or drop some files onto a SD to give to someone |
| 17:20.08 | PaulFertser | _phil: i'm afraid not |
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| 17:30.38 | PaulFertser | _phil: do you think we'll have any benefits using ubifs? If yes i wonder how to cleanly make it work with qi... |
| 17:30.57 | Docscrutinizer-8 | SoC comes with NAND anyway |
| 17:32.50 | Docscrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: where to/from is the data/photos FR side? |
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| 17:34.10 | Docscrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: most reasonable approach seems to plug a uSD-usb-stick to FR usb-host |
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| 17:35.43 | Docscrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: I have a large first partitipn vfat on my 16GB uSD, for that particular purpose of sharing files |
| 17:36.06 | _phil | PaulFertser: don't know, naeg will do some benchmarks then we'll see if it worth the effort at all. Guess you can't make that cleanly work without writing some code that tries to guess filesystems, so thats not that much of concern since we'll likely boot from sd anyway. |
| 17:36.27 | Docscrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: rootfs is on a smaller 2. partition ext3 |
| 17:36.51 | naeg | _phil: we want to boot from NAND if it's faster? |
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| 17:38.32 | _phil | naeg: i'm sure you won't feel difference of half a second, when the boot progress takes 15-30 secs |
| 17:38.43 | SpeedEvil | Docscrut: yeah - that means an extra thing to carry - or shutting down the phone to give someone files |
| 17:38.51 | LiL_mr-t | hi. are there any audio players for the FR, that support ogg/flac? |
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| 17:39.22 | naeg | LiL_mr-t: i used once mplayer with some fronted, any python based |
| 17:40.34 | LiL_mr-t | naeg, i see. would that be intone possibly? |
| 17:41.02 | naeg | LiL_mr-t: so it wasn't intone, the sounded similiar to python |
| 17:41.07 | naeg | it was pythm i think |
| 17:41.46 | LiL_mr-t | thanks naeg |
| 17:42.14 | naeg | yw LiL_mr-t |
| 17:42.53 | naeg | i will make a benchmark hopefully tomorrow |
| 17:43.16 | naeg | cu all later/tomorrow |
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| 19:11.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: wm8753fl.fpd |
| 19:11.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - added design guidelines to INFO |
| 19:11.38 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - change dimensions according to wolfson's design guidelines |
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| 19:24.59 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Modem changes |
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| 19:24.59 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - Route MODEM_ON and MODEM_RST to the open-drain gpios on PMU |
| 19:24.59 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - Allow only for the internal antenna |
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| 19:32.48 | UberNeo | www.neofundas.blogspot.com -- #1024 fix possible solutions -- updated for how to remove Wifi Module |
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| 19:53.17 | ptero_ | has anybody here built om-touch or worked with the toolkit? i can't build qt, always running into errors, which seem easy, but i can't find any real documentation on building that shit properly. http://pastebin.com/m3682cd48 |
| 19:57.00 | ptero_ | so, what i did was unpacking the toolkit, installing gcc and (to do more of what the toolkit doc said) libedje-dev, libmokoui2-dev, gconf-dbus-env. i also had to make symlinks for the gcc binaries, since qt-embedded's configure had another filenames for them |
| 20:06.23 | ptero_ | ooops, sorry, i forgot about that annoying tee feature to skip errors and other stuff, now the link contains all output |
| 20:11.13 | ptero_ | so... nobody ever tried om-touch or?... |
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| 20:36.40 | johnsu01 | Sigh, my SD card is not being recognized anymore in SHR unstable |
| 20:40.24 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: tried reseating? |
| 20:40.52 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: yeah |
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| 20:41.47 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: does it work elsewhere? |
| 20:42.10 | tomcatek | I've just upgraded SHR and everything works well |
| 20:42.13 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: yes, works in my laptop |
| 20:42.22 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: previously worked with SHR and other distros fine |
| 20:42.26 | johnsu01 | in the same unit |
| 20:42.33 | johnsu01 | I haven't tested now with other distros yet though |
| 20:44.59 | tomcatek | johnsu01: is dmesg saying anything? |
| 20:45.24 | johnsu01 | tomcatek: Yes, it's the same errors that people have reported for the SD clock issues a long time ago |
| 20:47.14 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: have you tried lowering the clock? |
| 20:47.34 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: I made an effort at that, but I don't think the parameter got used |
| 20:47.40 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: and/or using more drive strength. |
| 20:47.55 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: I really don't want to slow the clock, since it worked fine before and slow is ick |
| 20:48.15 | johnsu01 | but I'll try it to see if it fixes the problem |
| 20:48.20 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: it'd still be slow anyway, the speed is mostly limited by the glamo bus. |
| 20:48.52 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: and according to measurements you can safely use drive strength 1 without any considerable issues with GPS reception. |
| 20:49.03 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: What's the parameter for drive strength? |
| 20:49.09 | johnsu01 | (and what does that do?) |
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| 20:49.43 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: you can change it on the fly in /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive |
| 20:50.06 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: or specify on kernel command line the same way as any other module parameter. |
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| 20:51.35 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: roughly speaking, it puts more power on bus, thus making edges more sharp (and producing more RF interference as a side effect). |
| 20:53.32 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: *nod* thanks |
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| 20:56.21 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: i don't think we fully understand reasons for different problems with uSD cards FR users have... Some are clearly related to GSM interference even (i.e. when GSM is used card produces errors). Some refuse to work on full speed but they work in cardreaders. My guess is that might be related to the differences in voltages commonly used in cardreaders and freerunners. |
| 20:56.48 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: this card worked fine for months though |
| 20:57.32 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: that makes it even more unexplainable ;) |
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| 21:50.50 | welch | is it foolish to try to get my neo 1973 running again? I have not played with it for many months, and am trying to catch up on the best way to get it updated |
| 21:51.29 | SpeedEvil | ot foolish at all. |
| 21:51.42 | welch | ah cool, good to hear |
| 21:51.48 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure where the best images are to be found - shr unstable is probably your best bet AIUI |
| 21:52.01 | welch | ok, yeah, thats what i was wondering |
| 21:52.06 | welch | where the dev is focused atm |
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