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| 00:30.10 | LiL_mr-t | hi. how do i achieve the following from the command line? "Now you can use network-manager with mac-address specific settings and get it to automatically connect. " |
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| 00:50.32 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc45f7dc4c6d2 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel_input: send coldplug input notifications on startup. Fixes FSO #239 |
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| 01:40.32 | LiL_mr-t | how do you get the toolbar back in midori? the one that shows file, tools etc |
| 01:45.42 | LiL_mr-t | how do you right click? |
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| 02:01.33 | LiL_mr-t | does anyone know how to right-click with the FR? |
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| 02:55.47 | AlexC | to partition the microsd card on my fr, can i do it without ssh'ing to it? |
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| 03:05.52 | tag8tag | AlexC: yes if you have a running system to partition the card |
| 03:13.10 | AlexC | how do i mount fr's /dev/mmcblk0 on my desktop? |
| 03:18.23 | Undrwater | AlexC: no card reader? |
| 03:18.57 | AlexC | not on me |
| 03:19.06 | AlexC | is that the only way? |
| 03:19.20 | Undrwater | what distro? |
| 03:19.38 | AlexC | archlinux desktop, shr fr |
| 03:19.42 | tag8tag | if u can't ssh to fr yes its the only way |
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| 03:19.50 | AlexC | i can ssh |
| 03:20.01 | AlexC | but i need to mount it on my desktop |
| 03:20.10 | tag8tag | why ? |
| 03:20.35 | tag8tag | btw use sshfs |
| 03:20.39 | AlexC | to install an OS on it that needs utils that aren't on my shr |
| 03:20.48 | AlexC | okay |
| 03:21.00 | tag8tag | mount your card folder with sshfs |
| 03:21.02 | Undrwater | sshfs? |
| 03:21.14 | tag8tag | must be in your desktop repositories |
| 03:21.18 | Undrwater | that's a new one on me :) good to know |
| 03:21.26 | Undrwater | not packaged with ssh? |
| 03:21.30 | tag8tag | very usefull :p |
| 03:21.33 | tag8tag | no |
| 03:21.38 | AlexC | is that a package separate to openssh? |
| 03:21.45 | SpeedEvil | lr |
| 03:21.47 | tag8tag | it got his own package |
| 03:21.59 | SpeedEvil | or just use scp to copy over inficudual files |
| 03:22.00 | tag8tag | sshfs if I remember |
| 03:22.09 | SpeedEvil | or tar+ssh |
| 03:22.11 | Undrwater | SpeedEvil: that's damn slow tho |
| 03:22.14 | tag8tag | scp -r is good too |
| 03:22.19 | Undrwater | dun know if sshfs is faster |
| 03:22.27 | SpeedEvil | sshfs and scp are the same speed AIUI |
| 03:22.34 | Undrwater | ahh |
| 03:22.37 | tag8tag | since it use ssh as scp |
| 03:22.41 | Undrwater | damn slow then :) |
| 03:22.46 | tag8tag | same speed yes |
| 03:23.07 | SpeedEvil | also - you're going to be going at well under a meg a second due to USB and SD slowdowns |
| 03:23.31 | tag8tag | its just more handy than scp |
| 03:23.33 | Undrwater | usb1.1? |
| 03:23.46 | Undrwater | soudns more handy...cause sftp doesn't work |
| 03:24.09 | Undrwater | hmm...not called sshfs in gentoo |
| 03:24.35 | Undrwater | ahhh...sshfs-fuse |
| 03:24.46 | tag8tag | sshfs - filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol // on ubuntu/debian |
| 03:24.48 | Undrwater | uses sftp |
| 03:25.06 | Undrwater | which hasn't worked for me yet |
| 03:25.56 | Undrwater | ok...worked on CLI...but doesn't work w/ konq or other FM |
| 03:27.08 | Undrwater | doh! now i know why :) |
| 03:28.02 | AlexC | sh-4.0$ sshfs root@192.168.0.202:/sd /sd |
| 03:28.02 | tag8tag | can't find the accels in /dev |
| 03:28.02 | AlexC | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 03:28.02 | AlexC | fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint /sd |
| 03:28.15 | tag8tag | hehe |
| 03:28.17 | Undrwater | have to be root |
| 03:28.31 | AlexC | man i'm stupid |
| 03:28.40 | Undrwater | AlexC: run whatever as sudo |
| 03:28.42 | Undrwater | or root |
| 03:28.50 | AlexC | sh-4.0$ sudo sshfs root@192.168.0.202:/sd /sd |
| 03:28.50 | AlexC | read: Connection reset by peer |
| 03:28.51 | Undrwater | i've been stupid for several days now :) |
| 03:28.55 | tag8tag | accels needs a packet in order to work ? |
| 03:29.00 | tag8tag | on shr ? |
| 03:29.36 | Undrwater | AlexC: is that how it's used? |
| 03:29.51 | Undrwater | try sudo sftp 192.168.0.202:/ |
| 03:32.26 | AlexC | does shr have sftp? |
| 03:33.06 | SeligArkin | How does one run the vibrator? (Cant launch a web browser at the mokent, they nom memorys too much. D: |
| 03:33.23 | Undrwater | default is dropbear iirc...but it accepts sftp client |
| 03:33.29 | AlexC | plus i need to mount it, does ftp support mountpoints |
| 03:33.41 | Undrwater | through fuse it does |
| 03:34.07 | Undrwater | your desktop is doing the mounting...not the neo, right? |
| 03:35.22 | AlexC | yes |
| 03:35.43 | AlexC | my freerunner doesn't appear to have sftp or ftp on it |
| 03:36.43 | Undrwater | did you try the command i gave you? |
| 03:36.59 | AlexC | yes |
| 03:37.54 | AlexC | http://pastebin.ca/1554560 |
| 03:38.19 | AlexC | there isn't anything in known_hosts |
| 03:38.59 | AlexC | wait |
| 03:39.00 | AlexC | dw |
| 03:39.12 | Undrwater | got it? |
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| 03:39.27 | AlexC | okay |
| 03:39.33 | AlexC | Changing to: / |
| 03:39.34 | AlexC | sftp> |
| 03:39.38 | Undrwater | there u go |
| 03:40.12 | Undrwater | now you have to figure out how to use sshfs-fuse...probably you can add it as a line in your fstab |
| 03:40.20 | Undrwater | not mounted automatically tho |
| 03:50.31 | AlexC | i'm so confused |
| 04:00.38 | AlexC | cat: /sd: Is a directory |
| 04:00.39 | AlexC | sh-4.0$ cd /sd |
| 04:00.39 | AlexC | sh: cd: /sd: Not a directory |
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| 04:12.35 | Undrwater | AlexC: where are you? |
| 04:13.04 | AlexC | australia |
| 04:13.06 | AlexC | why? |
| 04:14.08 | Undrwater | :D i meant in terms of accessing your device :) |
| 04:14.20 | AlexC | i figured it out |
| 04:14.22 | Chocky | chin scratching stage |
| 04:14.25 | AlexC | i had to chown |
| 04:14.25 | Undrwater | ahh |
| 04:14.49 | AlexC | it wouldn't even let my user read the dir |
| 04:15.05 | AlexC | now i'm running an install script |
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| 04:29.09 | AlexC | man this is taking ages |
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| 04:32.56 | Undrwater | yep :) |
| 04:33.10 | Undrwater | card reader is tons faster |
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| 05:37.09 | LiL_mr-t | is it possible to right-click? |
| 05:41.26 | Undrwater | not system wide...but where you can, yes |
| 05:41.38 | Undrwater | some places in enlightenment is tap and hold |
| 05:41.42 | Undrwater | for copy |
| 05:42.01 | Undrwater | if it's a gtk app, you can select and ctrl+c, etc... |
| 05:44.42 | LiL_mr-t | Undrwater, i see. it's just that the midori browser has lost its tab menu (file, tools etc). |
| 05:45.11 | LiL_mr-t | according to #midori to get them back i need to right-click |
| 05:47.11 | ndnihil | vnc |
| 05:48.47 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, vnc? |
| 05:49.07 | ndnihil | yep |
| 05:49.50 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, that's not intended for me is it? :) |
| 05:50.04 | ndnihil | it is if you're the one who wants to right click |
| 05:50.15 | ndnihil | vncserver on the FR |
| 05:50.24 | ndnihil | vnc client on the workstation |
| 05:50.39 | ndnihil | use your regular mouse |
| 05:50.47 | ndnihil | s/regular/workstation/ |
| 05:50.51 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 05:51.10 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, ah i see... thanks ndnihil.... :) |
| 05:51.14 | ndnihil | np |
| 05:53.40 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, it's basically just an issue with the midori browser... |
| 05:53.55 | ndnihil | midori sucks |
| 05:54.23 | LiL_mr-t | i turned it fullscreen from a drop down menu and you can't get the menus back without right-clicking |
| 05:54.39 | ndnihil | ah |
| 05:54.42 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, yeah... i think i agree! :) |
| 05:55.00 | ndnihil | you can probably just edit/remove its config |
| 05:55.28 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, yes i was going down that path... i need to locate it |
| 05:56.21 | ndnihil | ~/.config/midori/config |
| 05:57.03 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, thanks |
| 05:57.03 | ndnihil | or maybe session.xbel |
| 05:57.24 | ndnihil | maybe not |
| 05:58.08 | LiL_mr-t | i think the first is correct. read elsewhere of people needing to delete the config file for issues similar but on other platforms |
| 05:58.53 | Undrwater | is there a good web browser in the works somewhere? |
| 05:58.54 | LiL_mr-t | is plugging FR to netbook now... |
| 05:59.08 | ndnihil | dillo is nice and quick if you dont need javascript/java/etc... |
| 06:00.15 | LiL_mr-t | thanks ndnihil, will keep that in mind.... |
| 06:00.22 | ndnihil | np |
| 06:00.42 | LiL_mr-t | for when i get rid of midori! ;) |
| 06:01.28 | ndnihil | you'll probably end up keeping both |
| 06:01.45 | ndnihil | dillo for whatever sites you can use it for, and midori for the sites with js |
| 06:04.03 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, deleting config file worked, thanks |
| 06:04.31 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, i'll just have to remember not to switch it to fullscreen in future :) |
| 06:08.48 | ndnihil | I heard woosh (I think is its name?) was pretty decent |
| 06:08.53 | ndnihil | haven't tried it myself though |
| 06:09.00 | Undrwater | it is |
| 06:09.07 | ndnihil | not sure how it compares to midori or dillo |
| 06:09.10 | LiL_mr-t | does anyone know how i can achieve the same as this, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#For_devices_showing_as_eth1 , from the command line, without the need for networkmanager applet? |
| 06:09.59 | ndnihil | that shell script should work |
| 06:10.26 | ndnihil | #!/bin/bash |
| 06:10.26 | ndnihil | sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 06:10.26 | ndnihil | sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 06:10.26 | ndnihil | sudo ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:10.30 | ndnihil | that's the one I use |
| 06:11.17 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, thanks, i'll try it |
| 06:11.53 | ndnihil | be sure to switch eth2 with whatever your device shows up as |
| 06:12.05 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, sure |
| 06:15.31 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihill, the sudo iptables -A... command returns saying it can't initialize iptables table 'nat', the table does not exist |
| 06:16.04 | LiL_mr-t | asks if i need to insmod |
| 06:16.10 | ndnihil | do you? |
| 06:16.17 | ndnihil | do an iptables -L |
| 06:17.01 | LiL_mr-t | shows chain input, chain forward and chain output |
| 06:17.31 | ndnihil | lsmod |grep ip_tables |
| 06:17.35 | LiL_mr-t | under each target, prot opt source and destination, it's blank |
| 06:17.38 | ndnihil | well, I guess the module is loaded if the -L works |
| 06:18.56 | LiL_mr-t | lsmod | grep ip_tables shows iptables 23200 1 iptable filter |
| 06:18.59 | LiL_mr-t | and |
| 06:19.18 | LiL_mr-t | x_tables 29456 1 ip_tables |
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| 06:19.34 | ndnihil | *shrug*, should be fine |
| 06:19.44 | LiL_mr-t | ok, i'll continue |
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| 06:24.05 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, still unable to ping outside world |
| 06:24.44 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, can make connection to FR, but can't get internet access |
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| 06:25.04 | ndnihil | wont without the masquerade and forwarding enabled |
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| 06:26.59 | LiL_mr-t | ndnihil, and that's what's failing with the first command right? |
| 06:27.25 | ndnihil | the iptables line sets up the masquerade |
| 06:27.44 | ndnihil | the sysctl line sets ip forwarding |
| 06:27.52 | ndnihil | and of course the ifconfig configures the interface |
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| 06:29.16 | LiL_mr-t | i gather the last two commands worked fine |
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| 07:53.00 | LiL_mr-t | at boot, is the message FAT: invalid media value (0x00) expected with the latest SHR-unstable distro? |
| 07:55.41 | PaulFertser | LiL_mr-t: lacking context but my best guess it's harmless. |
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| 08:44.01 | LiL_mr-t | PaulFertser: thanks. it occurs when the boot splash screen appears, across the middle of the screen in small white letters. it shows two lines, both giving the same message. |
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| 10:01.47 | TeNoVi | Hi! I have installed SHR lite (20090808). I installed pidgin, and thats working fine, except the sound. I can not get it to work. It did work when I had the shr testing installed. How can I get sound to work? |
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| 10:15.21 | blindcoder | TeNoVi: does anything else play sound? |
| 10:16.01 | SpeedEvil | I would try my usual approach when sound does not work on linux. |
| 10:16.05 | TeNoVi | blindcoder, Yes. I have tried several applications that makes sound |
| 10:16.25 | blindcoder | TeNoVi: then it's probably a pidgin issue |
| 10:16.41 | SpeedEvil | Scream at the suckiness of linux sound. |
| 10:16.46 | blindcoder | TeNoVi: I don't use pidgin, but maybe you can check its options, check if its sound files are installed and try to play those soundfiles manually |
| 10:16.53 | SpeedEvil | there is an edit->preferences->pidgin |
| 10:16.56 | SpeedEvil | or something |
| 10:16.58 | blindcoder | SpeedEvil: my linux sound is fine :P |
| 10:17.14 | blindcoder | but so far I never got printing working on linux |
| 10:17.20 | blindcoder | not that I'd really NEED it, but still |
| 10:18.50 | TeNoVi | Yes there is some settings for pidgin and sound. I have tried those. I have also tried to change the sounds in the .xml file |
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| 10:19.30 | naeg | hi all |
| 10:23.48 | TeNoVi | By the way. The shr image it is linked to in this channel, I can not find it. Where is it? Is the link wrong? |
| 10:32.54 | SpeedEvil | The download link only works if your heart is pure! |
| 10:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | TeNoVi: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ look for files like shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
| 10:35.47 | TeNoVi | DocScrutinizer, Yes, but there is not any file named that |
| 10:36.02 | TeNoVi | DocScrutinizer, Or not as I can see |
| 10:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, you're right. Thos Bas.... from SHR removed the full image :-) |
| 10:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly because it was broken iirc |
| 10:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what's broken there, worked fine for me |
| 10:38.04 | soltys | anyone with gta01 here ? and maybe working qi ? |
| 10:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | seem I have to provide it once again in my people folder |
| 10:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | TeNoVi: for now install the lite image, and "opk install shr-task-???" (sth like games, full, etc... sorry can't remember off the top of my head) |
| 10:40.20 | TeNoVi | DocScrutinizer, Thanks |
| 10:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 12:01.13 | ameen | hi |
| 12:01.18 | ameen | hello every one |
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| 12:03.24 | freerunnerlive | hi |
| 12:03.43 | ameen | helloo freerunnerlive |
| 12:03.49 | ameen | how r u ? |
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| 12:11.08 | naeg | hey PaulFertser |
| 12:11.28 | naeg | where does SHR get his mkfs.jffs2 from? can't find it in my logs :( |
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| 12:58.44 | pa4wdh | HI All, |
| 12:58.59 | pa4wdh | Does anyone know where i can find enlighenment themes to use on the openmnoko ? |
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| 13:14.05 | naeg | hi |
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| 13:56.03 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
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| 14:42.57 | UberNeo | does anybody have #1024 fix pic |
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| 15:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001194.html |
| 15:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: actually http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/attachments/20090525/d968961a/attachment-0001.jpeg in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html |
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| 15:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/werner/1024-done.jpg |
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| 15:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | the first picture is an examle of parallel inplementation of a second 10uF. The second picture is showing replacement of original 10uF by a 22uF (iirc) |
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| 15:32.56 | PaulFertser | naeg: hey |
| 15:33.09 | PaulFertser | naeg: i'm not ignoring you, just you ping me at the wrong times lately ;) |
| 15:33.23 | naeg | PaulFertser: np ;) |
| 15:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | hey paul :-) |
| 15:33.37 | naeg | PaulFertser: hey btw, what about the git? can't find it :( |
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| 15:33.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hey, good day :D |
| 15:33.49 | PaulFertser | naeg: can't find what exactly? |
| 15:34.03 | naeg | PaulFertser: the git where SHR takes it's mkfs.jffs2 |
| 15:34.13 | PaulFertser | naeg: ah, ok |
| 15:34.19 | naeg | the one from RH seemed not to work somehow |
| 15:36.05 | PaulFertser | naeg: what's the deal with ubifs? Still not mountable? |
| 15:36.35 | naeg | PaulFertser: i get unknown fs type |
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| 15:36.57 | naeg | PaulFertser: we want to mkfs.ubifs on mtdblock6 and mount it to see if it works |
| 15:37.04 | PaulFertser | naeg: git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git;protocol=git |
| 15:37.28 | PaulFertser | naeg: protocol=git is not needed of course :) |
| 15:37.36 | naeg | btw i ubinized the ubifs image to get a ubi image and tried it also, it's like this: ubifs works on the top ob ubi which works direct on the mtd |
| 15:38.22 | naeg | thanks for the git |
| 15:38.35 | PaulFertser | naeg: ah, i wasn't aware ubinization is needed |
| 15:38.58 | naeg | well i am not sure if it's really needed, but i have both images now |
| 15:39.10 | naeg | and both don't work ;) how awesome |
| 15:41.12 | PaulFertser | naeg: i'd really recommend you to compile the latest kernel for your host and try all that stuff on host, much faster and convenient. Don't forget you need ram device, ordinary loopback doesn't work (iirc), read how to read jffs2 images. |
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| 15:42.17 | naeg | PaulFertser: well compiling a kernel takes me about 2-3 hours :( |
| 15:42.46 | naeg | i will try that thing with mkfs.ubifs on mtdblock6 first |
| 15:43.02 | SpeedEvil | naeg: you're compiling on the device? |
| 15:44.19 | naeg | SpeedEvil: no we have an unique way of building: we chroot into a qemu emulated arm environment, in which we compile things for our device and what we compile we can use in buildenv too, which saves us much time. and for compiling etc we use native things, because it's faster than emulating |
| 15:44.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:44.56 | SpeedEvil | It saves you so much time it takes only 2-3 hours to compile a kernel? |
| 15:45.11 | naeg | SpeedEvil: this is because my pc has just 1,5 ghz ;) |
| 15:45.34 | naeg | but i'll get my new laptop soon. see here for more info about the buildenv: http://www.archmobile.org/trac/wiki/AFR/BuildEnvironment |
| 15:46.42 | PaulFertser | naeg: you didn't understand me |
| 15:46.52 | PaulFertser | naeg: i mean compile kernel for your HOST |
| 15:48.12 | PaulFertser | naeg: have you considered buying some small arm computer, like Sheevaplug for that? |
| 15:48.17 | naeg | PaulFertser: i know, but this also takes me 2-3 hours |
| 15:48.35 | naeg | PaulFertser: not really, i don't have the money for that |
| 15:49.22 | PaulFertser | naeg: also have you considered using your FR for managing compile and distcc (with pump support) for actual compiling? Saves helluva time |
| 15:50.29 | naeg | PaulFertser: sure that this is faster? we used as i said native target compiler, other stuff is emulated, can't complain about speed |
| 15:50.30 | PaulFertser | naeg: sheevaplug is about $120 with delivery. |
| 15:51.32 | naeg | PaulFertser: ok that's less than i thought, but as a student who just buyed a laptop...but i will think about it |
| 15:52.28 | PaulFertser | naeg: but i really advice using distcc. It's easier than usual crosscompiling because you don't have crosscompiled dependencies on host at all, but the compiling itself is lightning fast because it's not emulated. |
| 15:53.01 | naeg | PaulFertser: we don't have crosscompiled deps too because we emulate them |
| 15:53.13 | naeg | in our build env runs the same as on the neo |
| 15:53.19 | naeg | outer things like gcc |
| 15:54.07 | naeg | and deps of native things we just copy from host |
| 15:54.27 | PaulFertser | naeg: now after reading the wikipage i see :D |
| 15:55.12 | naeg | PaulFertser: still sure that your way is faster? may i'll make a speedtest |
| 15:55.37 | PaulFertser | naeg: well, i was told that freerunner is faster than qemu in general |
| 15:56.07 | PaulFertser | naeg: if the link speed is not limiting factor i'd guess it might give you chance for a faster compilation. |
| 15:56.09 | naeg | but the sheevaplug would be the best solution... |
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| 15:58.13 | PaulFertser | naeg: what exactly do you use on host? If most of autofoo stuff is native then i guess your solution is faster. |
| 15:58.48 | naeg | PaulFertser: see here: http://gitweb.archmobile.org/?p=archonfreerunner.git;a=tree;f=build;h=d426ea60bc772095e4efa68c93d1a1d63047ee8d;hb=HEAD |
| 15:59.05 | PaulFertser | naeg: haha, decent answer :) |
| 15:59.21 | naeg | yeah, it's too much to list here ;) |
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| 16:02.06 | naeg | PaulFertser: just to be sure: nothing can happen to my device if i mkfs.ubifs on mtdblock6 and then mkfs.jffs2 on mtdblock6, so everyhing is normal again? |
| 16:02.24 | max_posedon1 | yes |
| 16:03.02 | max_posedon1 | about unknownfs, dont forget rootfstype=ubifs kernel option |
| 16:05.11 | naeg | max_posedon1: you missed some things ;) i recompiled qi after changing that, it didn't work. so we try to mount the NAND as ubifs when booting from SD |
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| 16:06.06 | naeg | max_posedon1: you missed some things ;) we used reompiled qi which this option->didn't work. now we try to mount NAND as ubifs when booting from SD |
| 16:06.34 | PaulFertser | naeg: you'll be able to recover by flashing anything you want there. |
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| 16:08.09 | naeg | PaulFertser: damn, still unknown fs type... |
| 16:08.34 | naeg | may i have to ubinize mtdblock6? |
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| 16:09.49 | PaulFertser | naeg: nah, i doubt that... |
| 16:09.59 | PaulFertser | naeg: mount -t ubifs /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt |
| 16:10.07 | PaulFertser | naeg: what gives? unknown fs type? |
| 16:10.17 | PaulFertser | naeg: grep ubifs /proc/filesystems ? |
| 16:11.22 | naeg | PaulFertser: mounting is like this: mount -t ubifs -o no_chk_data_crc ubi0:/dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/NAND/ |
| 16:11.35 | naeg | PaulFertser: grep ubifs /proc/filesystems -> nodev ubifs |
| 16:12.21 | PaulFertser | naeg: does dmesg have anything interesting? |
| 16:12.22 | naeg | if i do it as you said i get: wrong fs type, bad option,...i think you know that |
| 16:12.43 | naeg | PaulFertser: just "[ 496.560000] UBIFS error (pid 1102): ubifs_get_sb: cannot open "/dev/mtdblock6", error -22" |
| 16:12.57 | SpeedEvil | loves numeric errors. |
| 16:12.58 | PaulFertser | naeg: aha, interesting |
| 16:13.26 | SpeedEvil | However - finding where that line is defined is not too hard |
| 16:13.40 | naeg | so PaulFertser any idea? ;) i can't think of anything :P |
| 16:15.03 | PaulFertser | naeg: i do have plenty of those, just wait |
| 16:16.02 | naeg | the only thing i could do now is ubinize, but as you said, i doubt it works |
| 16:17.38 | PaulFertser | naeg: * Alternative '!' separator may be used instead of ':' (because some shells |
| 16:17.42 | PaulFertser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.45 | PaulFertser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.47 | PaulFertser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.54 | PaulFertser | Probably unrelated but FYI |
| 16:19.11 | naeg | we don't use busybox, and is this meaned at mount? ...ubi0!/dev/... ? then it doesn't work |
| 16:19.30 | PaulFertser | naeg: probably you want to escape ! to prevent bash from intepreting it. |
| 16:19.57 | naeg | PaulFertser: unknown fs type |
| 16:20.45 | naeg | i'll take a look at all this tools... |
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| 16:21.45 | naeg | ubinfo: "Count of UBI devices: 0" |
| 16:21.55 | naeg | oh, forgot that |
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| 16:24.58 | PaulFertser | naeg: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_mount_ubifs |
| 16:25.02 | PaulFertser | naeg: obvious, heh? |
| 16:25.57 | naeg | PaulFertser: what do you mean? |
| 16:26.21 | PaulFertser | naeg: that those instructions show that you try to mount it the wrong way. |
| 16:26.41 | PaulFertser | naeg: and that instructions are obviously the first to read for everybody who tries to use ubifs ;) |
| 16:26.44 | naeg | "...not MTD devices..." :-D |
| 16:27.23 | naeg | PaulFertser: well, here it wasn't written: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_mountopts |
| 16:28.20 | PaulFertser | naeg: and yes, you need to "ubinize" your rootfs image |
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| 16:30.37 | naeg | so i have to ubiattach? |
| 16:31.05 | naeg | but ubiattach just takes mtd devices numbers as paramater, no mtdblock |
| 16:33.17 | PaulFertser | naeg: so? |
| 16:33.21 | PaulFertser | naeg: tell it to use 6 |
| 16:33.49 | naeg | does not work PaulFertser |
| 16:33.54 | naeg | ubiattach: error!: cannot attach mtd6 |
| 16:33.56 | naeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.09 | PaulFertser | naeg: do you already have something there on flash? |
| 16:35.44 | naeg | PaulFertser: i flashed the ubi images, but i did mkfs.ubifs on mtdblock6 |
| 16:36.15 | PaulFertser | naeg: ah, i guess that was wrong |
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| 16:36.27 | PaulFertser | naeg: try flasherase_all /dev/mtd6 |
| 16:36.33 | PaulFertser | naeg: and then ubiattach should work |
| 16:36.46 | naeg | damn, didn't package flasherase_all -.- |
| 16:37.58 | PaulFertser | naeg: then just flash there ubinized image |
| 16:38.20 | naeg | or scp flash_eraseall ;) a bit faster |
| 16:38.39 | PaulFertser | naeg: probably you have ubiformat? |
| 16:38.44 | naeg | yes |
| 16:39.01 | naeg | flasherase_all working |
| 16:39.23 | naeg | PaulFertser: he skipps some bad block |
| 16:39.31 | PaulFertser | naeg: bad blocks happen |
| 16:39.39 | naeg | http://pastebin.com/m2a197c9b |
| 16:39.41 | naeg | ah ok |
| 16:40.06 | naeg | ok, this time: |
| 16:40.08 | naeg | ubiattach: error!: cannot attach mtd6 |
| 16:40.10 | naeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.50 | PaulFertser | naeg: hm... try ubiformat |
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| 16:51.45 | _naeg | PaulFertser: git my msg? shitty wifi driver -.- |
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| 16:59.18 | PaulFertser | nab: nah |
| 17:00.54 | _naeg | PaulFertser: did you mean me? |
| 17:01.09 | PaulFertser | _naeg: heh, yes :) didn't get your message |
| 17:01.14 | SpeedEvil | sighs at datasheets. |
| 17:01.16 | SpeedEvil | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993 |
| 17:01.27 | _naeg | PaulFertser: ubiformat: warning!: VID header and data offsets on flash are 512 and 2048, which is different to requested offsets 2048 and 4096 |
| 17:01.29 | _naeg | ubiformat: use new offsets 2048 and 4096? (yes/no) |
| 17:03.29 | PaulFertser | nab: yes |
| 17:03.48 | _naeg | ./nick nab ;) |
| 17:04.20 | PaulFertser | _naeg: /nick naeg, remove the underbar |
| 17:04.31 | _naeg | PaulFertser: ok, now we are back at invalid argument |
| 17:04.32 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 17:04.41 | _naeg | can't, #archlinux is not letting me do this |
| 17:04.44 | PaulFertser | _naeg: oh-oh, doesn't come easy |
| 17:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | naeg: starting nick witch hard to type special char isn't polite ;-) you'll have to live with pseudonym nab |
| 17:05.32 | _naeg | DocScrutinizer: well if nab can live with that i can too |
| 17:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | heh, paul been faster once more :-) |
| 17:06.23 | _naeg | :) as i said, #archlinux is not letting me, and i am new to weechat, dunno how to close one channel |
| 17:06.52 | _naeg | PaulFertser: damn, i have to leave now |
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| 17:07.13 | _naeg | PaulFertser: i will be here again tomorrow, more struggling around with you together against ubifs ;) |
| 17:07.21 | ndnihil | /exec -m _naeg yes |
| 17:07.30 | ndnihil | ^will fix everything |
| 17:07.56 | SeligArkin | ndnihil: Ynknown command _naeg |
| 17:08.05 | SeligArkin | s/Y/U/ |
| 17:08.12 | ndnihil | you dont have -m? |
| 17:08.26 | ndnihil | silly client |
| 17:08.42 | _naeg | cu PaulFertser |
| 17:08.43 | ndnihil | how about /exec -o yes? |
| 17:08.44 | _naeg | cu all |
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| 17:08.45 | ndnihil | :) |
| 17:08.48 | PaulFertser | _naeg: best of luck |
| 17:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: yes cmd not found?? |
| 17:11.59 | ndnihil | wth are you people running? |
| 17:12.11 | ndnihil | pretty much any unix'ish platform should have yes |
| 17:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | aah, unix cmd |
| 17:12.42 | ndnihil | linux has it too |
| 17:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | for sure that's _usually_ there |
| 17:13.17 | ndnihil | NAME |
| 17:13.17 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.19 | ndnihil | :) |
| 17:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | yayayah |
| 17:14.06 | ndnihil | it was always fun to mess with noobs |
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| 17:14.44 | ndnihil | and the exec -m should message whatever nick is specified |
| 17:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: I just missed to change domains from irc to cmdline |
| 17:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | so freenode for sure does not know /yes |
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| 17:25.31 | SeligArkin | Hmm, thats bad, I can see the black line as the screen updates on my moko |
| 17:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | err, SeligArkin ? which black line? |
| 17:26.49 | SeligArkin | You remember when you point a video camera at a TV? and you see the blaxck lines going down as the TV updates? I can see that with the naked eye on my moko |
| 17:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | doing what? |
| 17:27.34 | SeligArkin | the screen saver |
| 17:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that might be ;-P screensaver - ouch. |
| 17:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it's because that app has no knowledge of actual lcm refresh. we got no h/v-sync IRQ (usually) |
| 17:29.38 | SeligArkin | It only seems to happen after the moko is left without input for awhile |
| 17:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe the cpu freq is "governed" down then? I'm not very much into these kernel things |
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| 17:31.02 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway screensaver is *strongly* deprecated, as it eats power for nothing |
| 17:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | not only on FR, but rather on each new PC |
| 17:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | the only valid screensaver is screen-dimming/blanking |
| 17:35.05 | SeligArkin | I see |
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| 17:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | even static pictures might be ok. But for sure not movie-alike "screensavers" |
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| 17:48.25 | Meomer | but but but, where else am i supposed to read the matrix? |
| 17:49.08 | ezekiel | i bet you don't even see the code anymore |
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| 18:02.01 | slaxxer | i guess now we are doing a rolling release system instead of an actual dated release? |
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| 18:18.14 | slaxxer | numbers at the factory |
| 18:18.18 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.09 | slaxxer | so now would be a good time for the "core" guys to talk to the "factory" people in china |
| 18:20.10 | slaxxer | an see if theres a chance to build an "upgraded motherboard for the gta-02 with all the advances made |
| 18:20.39 | slaxxer | with the bells an whistles |
| 18:21.26 | slaxxer | i dont think we need another stab at a dev board you guys had those already |
| 18:21.49 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.07 | SpeedEvil | sa |
| 18:35.17 | SpeedEvil | Slaxxe: well - ... |
| 18:35.47 | SpeedEvil | slaxxer: Fundamentally - you'd need at least 50-100k funding to do that |
| 18:36.15 | UberNeo | where do i find the circuit diagram for GTA02 |
| 18:36.16 | SpeedEvil | slaxxer: gta02-core would essentially be a new build cycle |
| 18:36.46 | Chocky | you'd need "funding" and "people" and "stuff" |
| 18:37.04 | SpeedEvil | slaxxer: The agreements that the factory holds to source stuff may not be transferrable to another project. |
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| 18:37.29 | SpeedEvil | slaxxer: and fundamentally you're likely to need several - say another 5 - boards to get it working properly. |
| 18:38.06 | SpeedEvil | slaxxer: Even building only 3 of each - that's of the order of $5k or so. |
| 18:38.32 | Chocky | most likely any new revision would be major chipset changes, not iterative improvements, when you might get away with only a few revisions. |
| 18:38.34 | SpeedEvil | slaxxer: then you need someone to stump up for a run of at least 1K in order to get the prices sane. |
| 18:38.42 | SpeedEvil | yes - if you're lucky. |
| 18:39.13 | Chocky | many MKII projects have died because of exactly these issues. |
| 18:39.15 | SpeedEvil | And that 1K run might cost you 100-200k for the bits |
| 18:40.16 | SpeedEvil | And at that time - say 6 months time - the N900 has just dropped in price from $690 to $490 - and is becoming available through some carriers at $100 down and a contract |
| 18:40.27 | Chocky | SpeedEvil so real world |
| 18:41.15 | SpeedEvil | Or someone in china has started putting maemo5 on their 'iplone' that they're already shipping |
| 18:41.21 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: is there anything that is a better, mass-produced, choice to run OM on? |
| 18:41.30 | SpeedEvil | The N900. |
| 18:41.33 | SpeedEvil | Of course... |
| 18:41.39 | Chocky | anything cheaper? ;-) |
| 18:41.50 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as I'm aware. |
| 18:41.53 | Chocky | G1? |
| 18:42.05 | Chocky | which already has a pr0t of sorts |
| 18:42.08 | SpeedEvil | I haven't really been looking closely. |
| 18:42.21 | Chocky | that's < $200 |
| 18:42.34 | SpeedEvil | I don't think so - that's the contract price |
| 18:42.41 | SpeedEvil | the real price is quite a bit higher I think |
| 18:42.48 | Chocky | I mean the ebay price |
| 18:42.56 | Chocky | that would be second hand of course |
| 18:43.55 | SpeedEvil | The price in the UK for a new G1 is some 400 quid - that's only a little less than teh 499 of the N900 |
| 18:43.56 | Chocky | but like you say, in 6 months there could be any amount of Linux-friendly hardware. |
| 18:44.03 | Chocky | UK so rip off |
| 18:44.10 | SpeedEvil | WEll - not really |
| 18:44.21 | SpeedEvil | It's $699 in the US - which is 483 quid or so |
| 18:44.45 | Chocky | 699 + tax, 483 + VAT? |
| 18:45.26 | Chocky | anyway, I'm sure as hell not spending either amount on a phone |
| 18:46.12 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: yes |
| 18:47.28 | SpeedEvil | What I really object to is the mobile networks. For 15 quid a month and an 18 month contract - I get a decent calls + internet + SMS package. However - this includes a maybe 100 quid phone. |
| 18:47.29 | Chocky | sees many G1s on Craigslist for $130ish. |
| 18:47.59 | SpeedEvil | I can't get the same price with my own phone. |
| 18:48.34 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 18:48.46 | Chocky | is just about to expire a year's worth of PAYG with T-Mobile. I used maybe 150 mins of 1000 ($100) |
| 18:49.18 | SpeedEvil | At least the PAYG market in the UK isn't too broken. |
| 18:49.22 | Chocky | I used Orange PAYG in the UK 4 years ago. That was about a fiver a month. |
| 18:49.29 | Chocky | eggzactly. |
| 18:49.56 | Chocky | Of course, I could have bought only $20 worth with T-Mobile, but I was expecting to use a lot more. |
| 18:50.07 | SpeedEvil | But comparing |
| 18:50.18 | SpeedEvil | Also - look at http://www.three.co.uk/ |
| 18:50.28 | SpeedEvil | interesting offer in huge print on the frontpage |
| 18:50.32 | Chocky | UK plans by comparison are better and cheaper in general, however. |
| 18:52.00 | Chocky | I think I had had a 17 GBP/month plan before PAYG. a few hundred minutes or something. And that was > 5 years ago. Comparible plan here is at least $40 once you include taxes and stuff. |
| 18:52.43 | SpeedEvil | There is the argument that the US spends lots more to rll the network out to remote locations. |
| 18:53.02 | SpeedEvil | I don't know how much a close analysis of the figures would damage that argument. |
| 18:53.22 | Chocky | there is that. But I'm dubious. |
| 18:54.45 | Chocky | maybe a comparison with Germany, which is much larger than the UK would be better. |
| 18:55.03 | SpeedEvil | Germany is a lot more dense than the US IIRC |
| 18:55.24 | Chocky | wikipedias it |
| 18:55.50 | SpeedEvil | Around an eight |
| 18:56.36 | Chocky | right. UK is pretty similar to Germany on those terms |
| 18:56.47 | Chocky | oh well. |
| 18:56.57 | SpeedEvil | And the US charging model for calls is a bit odd - compared to the UK one. |
| 18:57.04 | Chocky | it sucks |
| 18:57.15 | Chocky | what is the rate for SMS in the UK these days? |
| 18:57.19 | SpeedEvil | UK - phones are their own 'area code' |
| 18:57.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure many people pay for them rather than pick an appropriate bundle. |
| 18:58.26 | Chocky | yes; however the plans here tend not to include them - you have to pick an extra SMS plan |
| 18:58.42 | Chocky | so you can calculate based upon that rate. |
| 18:59.01 | SpeedEvil | pay-as-you-go - top up by 10 quid = 300 free texts - say |
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| 18:59.28 | SpeedEvil | (600 if you topup online) |
| 18:59.34 | SpeedEvil | and 10p/text thereafter. |
| 18:59.57 | SpeedEvil | this is the first pay-as-you-go thing I looked at |
| 18:59.58 | Chocky | 10p for something which is part of the traffic anyway. blah. |
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| 19:00.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 19:00.25 | Chocky | I know there's some infrastruture overhead. but still |
| 19:00.35 | Chocky | of course, it's because they can. |
| 19:00.38 | Chocky | anyway, gotta go |
| 19:00.54 | SpeedEvil | wave |
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| 19:19.30 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5605 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0018.txt): |
| 19:19.30 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - canceled ECN0018 "Add beads/filters to audio signals leaving/entering can" |
| 19:19.30 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - moved ECN0036 "Removal of decoupling capacitor C3020" to Execute |
| 19:19.30 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - moved ECN0037 "Route ROUT1/LOUT1 back to LINE1/LINE2 input" to Execute |
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| 19:23.22 | UberNeo | does ceramic capacitor also have positive and ground |
| 19:23.48 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 19:31.04 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5606 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/ecn0036.txt): implemented ECN0036 |
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| 19:44.33 | SpeedEvil | UberNeo: however they may have assymetric electrode arrangement and one be more prone to picking up EMI than the ohter |
| 19:45.01 | LiL_mr-t1 | stupid question time.... how do you exit from FR root cleanly and unmount/detach the FR from your PC safely? |
| 19:45.44 | SpeedEvil | you mean from a ssh session? |
| 19:45.52 | UberNeo | so it means we cannot distinguish ..between + and - in ceramin cap |
| 19:45.53 | LiL_mr-t1 | SpeedEvil, yes |
| 19:46.01 | SpeedEvil | exit |
| 19:46.03 | SpeedEvil | then unplug |
| 19:46.18 | SpeedEvil | unplugging may leave a process around till it times out in a few mins |
| 19:46.25 | SpeedEvil | UberNeo: there is no + and - in a ceramic cap |
| 19:46.48 | LiL_mr-t1 | SpeedEvil, exit just gives me "You have stopped jobs." |
| 19:46.57 | UberNeo | so we can attach anyone with the ground |
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| 19:47.22 | SpeedEvil | LiL_mr-t1: exit again - or fg |
| 19:47.24 | UberNeo | <LiL_mr-t1> : again type exit |
| 19:47.28 | SpeedEvil | UberNeo: what's the question? |
| 19:48.04 | LiL_mr-t1 | SpeedEvil, UberNeo, thanks |
| 19:48.33 | UberNeo | my ques is ..that we can attach any side of ceramic cap to ground |
| 19:48.46 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:48.55 | UberNeo | ok |
| 19:49.14 | UberNeo | actually i was looking for #1024 fix |
| 19:49.21 | SpeedEvil | One way round may pick up more EMI than the other way round - if the construction of the cap is such that one side has the 'ground' electrode round it. |
| 19:49.33 | SpeedEvil | that GSM buzz? |
| 19:49.35 | SpeedEvil | or deep sleep |
| 19:49.39 | UberNeo | no Deep Sleep |
| 19:49.43 | SpeedEvil | in that case it doesn' tmatter |
| 19:50.15 | UberNeo | it requires a 10uf cap in parallel to C1009 10uF cap |
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| 19:54.10 | quatrox | must figure out how to combine an HTC and a neo |
| 19:56.03 | UberNeo | SpeedEvil : have u done the #1024 fix |
| 19:56.40 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 19:56.43 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: duct tape |
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| 19:57.15 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5607 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/ecn0037.txt): implemented ECN0037 |
| 19:57.18 | quatrox | SpeedEvil: I already thought of heat and force.... hmmm... duct tape was a good idea |
| 19:59.27 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: If you can use the force, you should. |
| 19:59.43 | quatrox | the display on the HTC is broken |
| 19:59.44 | SpeedEvil | Do not however turn to the dark side of the force. |
| 19:59.58 | quatrox | hmm |
| 20:00.38 | quatrox | duct tape is like force: a dark and a light side - you mean I should use the light side? |
| 20:01.37 | quatrox | hmm... its more fun to solder:D |
| 20:09.51 | quatrox | DocScrutinizer: is there some standard pinout on FP cables from displays? |
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| 20:12.27 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rc3bef78a590e 10framework/framework/subsystems/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking |
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| 20:28.14 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: no |
| 20:29.07 | SpeedEvil | Well - there are 'standard' data formats - for example 3v 18/24 bit databus, and syncs |
| 20:29.22 | SpeedEvil | but they are not in any specific order or pinout or ... |
| 20:31.44 | quatrox | SpeedEvil: thanks... then I need to compare data sheets |
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| 20:32.06 | SpeedEvil | yeah - if you can obtain them. |
| 20:33.15 | SpeedEvil | You need to find a screen which has compatible voltage levels - not generally too hard - same resolution - same refresh rate - same 'modeline' (or a compatible or reprogrammable one) |
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| 20:35.31 | quatrox | hmm |
| 20:35.52 | quatrox | the neo screen is not pin compatible |
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| 20:37.04 | clododechezeric_ | hi |
| 20:37.06 | clododechezeric_ | slt |
| 20:37.21 | clododechezeric_ | http://www.clodogame.fr/change_please/5493519/ |
| 20:37.30 | clododechezeric_ | http://www.clodogame.fr/change_please/5493519/ |
| 20:38.37 | PaulFertser | clododechezeric ÑÑка |
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| 20:39.57 | SpeedEvil | pin compatible - almost never. |
| 20:40.09 | SpeedEvil | you essentially always need to make up your own little shim cable |
| 20:40.54 | quatrox | I am not _that_ good with soldering |
| 20:41.44 | quatrox | but practice creates masters... so I should try |
| 20:42.59 | brolin | quatrox: Practice makes perfect, but no one is perfect, so why practice? ;) |
| 20:44.07 | brolin | so why practise, I mean. |
| 20:44.26 | quatrox | brolin: good point:D |
| 20:44.55 | brolin | Does practising baiting create master baiters? ;) |
| 20:46.39 | brolin | Nobody is perfect. I am a nobody. Therefore, I am perfect. ;) |
| 20:46.48 | quatrox | brolin: practicing living will make you master it (and live forever) |
| 20:48.04 | brolin | No One Lives Forever (NOLF) because time kills everyone without mercy. |
| 20:49.16 | quatrox | at least time kills my spare time |
| 20:51.00 | brolin | Anyway, is there a distro that is less unusable than SHR, or is there a less unusable SHR image I can try? I moved my SIM back to my Nokia phone because I could not even add contacts nor rename contacts with SHR. (fail) |
| 20:52.47 | quatrox | brolin: shr-u works well for me |
| 20:53.01 | brolin | SHR is far less unusable than Om2009, though. Om2009 was the first distro I tried (and failed) to use on my FR. |
| 20:54.37 | PaulFertser | brolin: currently SHR has opimd |
| 20:54.42 | PaulFertser | brolin: and opimd-utils |
| 20:54.48 | PaulFertser | brolin: and opimd-cli |
| 20:54.56 | PaulFertser | brolin: it's supposed to be enough |
| 20:55.21 | PaulFertser | brolin: you can install also c_c's launcher, it supports opimd, contacts and smses too. And c_c is uber-fast in fixing bugs. |
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| 20:55.51 | PaulFertser | brolin: alternatively, you can help to extend fso.el to work with opimd, it shouldn't be that hard and it'll be fun at the same time. |
| 20:57.11 | brolin | looks up opimd. |
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| 21:03.34 | PaulFertser | In russia elections look more like a day of Laughter: jokes on the billboards, clowns listed in the ballot papers and pranks on TV. |
| 21:04.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.miss-gb.co.uk/byelectionitem.asp?id=12 |
| 21:07.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: there were presidental elections in russia 8 years ago where one of the participants was actually a bodyguard (very stupid) of our main political clown/whore. |
| 21:07.42 | brolin | currently cannot even ssh to his FR to upgrade to the full SHR. dropbear is running. The FR's IP address and default gateway are correct. The RNDIS connection on my PC has the correct IP address. |
| 21:08.05 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: who is now president? :) |
| 21:08.32 | SpeedEvil | Russian politics - as seen from the outside - looks rather broken. |
| 21:08.44 | MHazem | for mother russia |
| 21:09.04 | CVirus | the russians helped us in 1973 war |
| 21:09.06 | CVirus | ;-) |
| 21:09.13 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: putin is still believed to have all the power currently. |
| 21:09.20 | CVirus | yom kippour war |
| 21:09.33 | zuka | Hi! Is it possible to install debian on FR? |
| 21:09.45 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: (russian politics) there's no such thing |
| 21:09.48 | PaulFertser | zuka: yes |
| 21:10.23 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: yes - it seems slightly better than north korea electionwise. Which isn't perhaps the best praise. |
| 21:11.16 | SpeedEvil | We in the UK have free and fair elections! |
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| 21:11.23 | zuka | PaulFertser: have you tried it recently? The installer.sh complains about unmet dependencies for zhone. Where can I get help? |
| 21:11.24 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: Freedom House regularly issues a listing with all the countries and corresponding "degree of freedom", so we're perfectly aware of our place. |
| 21:11.27 | SpeedEvil | Of two parties that have relatively little space between them. |
| 21:11.36 | quatrox | SpeedEvil: there is a huge difference between russia and north korea |
| 21:11.42 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: yes - I know. |
| 21:11.49 | PaulFertser | zuka: i'm using debian since november, i installed it manually approximately following install.sh |
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| 21:11.52 | quatrox | remember: russia has cheap vodka!!! |
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| 21:12.20 | PaulFertser | quatrox: if i wanted vodka it'd be an advantage :-/ |
| 21:12.21 | SpeedEvil | My next vote shall be for the UK pirate party. |
| 21:12.31 | quatrox | YAY |
| 21:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aren't you talking bout US? |
| 21:13.11 | SpeedEvil | no - UK |
| 21:13.23 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: looks like politics is a universal way to screw up "the people". Just some countries are more successful in that. |
| 21:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heh, pirates rule |
| 21:13.52 | SeligArkin | ARRR |
| 21:13.55 | SpeedEvil | The nation state is comparatively recent. |
| 21:14.00 | PaulFertser | If they didn't call themselves pirates :S |
| 21:14.11 | brolin | forgot to install his SIM in his FR before booting his FR again. (fail) |
| 21:14.25 | PaulFertser | brolin: not exactly, i hot-swapped sim many times |
| 21:14.41 | zuka | PaulFertser: Mmmmkay I see. But don't have such skill to do it on my own. I'm having this problem ---> http://www.mail-archive.com/smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org/msg01415.html. Maybe someone else did too? |
| 21:15.21 | PaulFertser | zuka: why not install debian the manual way... It didn't require any skill from me, i just used install.sh as a reference... And i've never used debootstrap etc before |
| 21:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: as you need to power down gsm for removing bat anyway, that hotswap seems perfectly feasible |
| 21:15.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes. For me shutting down zhone is enough |
| 21:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how long N810 will take until 4th unsolicited reboot today, now that he has disabled SIP client |
| 21:18.34 | zuka | PaulFertser: Yeah you're right. Manual way is always better, but it requires lots of work, like gentoo no? |
| 21:18.46 | brolin | Actually, I had my inactive Rogers SIM installed in my FR because I swapped my active Speak Out Wireless SIM and my inactive Rogers SIM between my FR and my Nokia. My Nokia is unusable without a SIM installed. (fail) |
| 21:19.00 | zuka | Like compiling/configuring stuff. I just don't have enough stamina for it now |
| 21:20.13 | PaulFertser | zuka: no |
| 21:20.18 | PaulFertser | zuka: it required me like an hour |
| 21:20.50 | PaulFertser | Or probably two hours because i'm slow |
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| 21:22.35 | zuka | me too I'm on sh*tty broadband connection, so... |
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| 21:22.46 | zuka | thanks, I'll try |
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| 21:24.11 | brolin | Zeroedout: Are you in BC? |
| 21:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if there's such a thing like subsidized N900 for registered developers. As developers newsletter says it's 500⬠while webshop wants 600⬠|
| 21:25.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no developer program for N900 this time? I remember there were some free or semi-free devices for registered devs earlier. |
| 21:25.47 | brolin | Why does SHR say GSM is unavailable because no SIM card is installed when I boot my FR with my inactive Rogers SIM installed? Because SHR treats an inactive SIM the same as an absent SIM? |
| 21:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I had to find the place where to find out about that |
| 21:26.01 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5608 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (gta02-core.sch io.sch modem.sch sd-sim.sch): Modem references in range 81xx, various modem changes. |
| 21:26.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r5609 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/stdpass.fpd: |
| 21:26.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/stdpass.fpd: changed silk with from 2 mil to 5 mil, like |
| 21:26.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: everywhere else |
| 21:26.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/stdpass.fpd: silk is now referenced at the line's center |
| 21:26.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/stdpass.fpd: increased clearance from 4 mil to 5 mil to make up for |
| 21:26.39 | CIA-7 | openmoko: reduced area due to change in silk reference |
| 21:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | eeew, that reminds me to check these #@&*@@* modem schematics |
| 21:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | 2G, wtf!? |
| 21:28.44 | brolin | My shelf on SHR still says no service after installing my active Speak Out Wireless SIM. |
| 21:28.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: what modem schematics? |
| 21:28.54 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5610 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: Status update |
| 21:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | [23:26] <CIA-7> openmoko: daveb * r5608 /trunk/gta02-core/ (gta02-core.sch io.sch modem.sch sd-sim.sch): Modem references in range 81xx, various modem changes. |
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| 21:29.22 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: ah gta02-core has this funny gsm chip that runs python programs |
| 21:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah prolly. wtf, crap! |
| 21:29.57 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: no really, that's what the specs say |
| 21:30.23 | lindi- | look it up if you don't believe me :) |
| 21:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | I *believe* your saying, it's just unbelievable nevertheless |
| 21:30.34 | SpeedEvil | python interpreters are not uncommon |
| 21:30.50 | lindi- | but in a gsm chip |
| 21:31.06 | lindi- | is it the same codebase as normal python or a different implementation? |
| 21:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer a 3G interpreter rather |
| 21:31.23 | lindi- | (= does it support the resent integer overflow that was found from python?) |
| 21:31.33 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: it'll be a little custom interpreter I'd imagine |
| 21:31.33 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.05 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: how can they advertise it with python logo and all then? |
| 21:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | fsck, these critters aren't designed for modem use, they are supposed to build a whole prepaid-sim-recharger machine with user interface and cashier |
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| 21:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | or buy the one with integrated gps, hook up a bat, and stick it under the car you want to track |
| 21:35.08 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yep :) |
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| 21:35.49 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5611 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0039.txt): Rask's SPI 0R ecn - Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <ccc94453@vip.cybercity.dk> |
| 21:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | for core they are too loaded, too expensive, too FAT, and too slow for being a incentive |
| 21:37.49 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: still would be cool to have an auxiliary processor that can process gsm traffic while the main system is asleep |
| 21:38.10 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: that would make it possible to wake the phone only when it enters some specific gsm cell for example |
| 21:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, even calypso has a complete AP and key-matrix, lcd-if, and an own proprietary application development environment |
| 21:38.44 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yep but we just don't have access to that environment |
| 21:39.08 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: calypso => AVR microcontroller => ARM would be funny idea :) |
| 21:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | i guess we just miss the docs |
| 21:39.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer source docs |
| 21:39.54 | SpeedEvil | you;ve got the chip docs afterall |
| 21:39.58 | SpeedEvil | see wikileaks |
| 21:40.04 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: we can't really use those |
| 21:40.09 | SpeedEvil | I know - |
| 21:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: that's actually a nice idea (process gsm) |
| 21:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: *I* know *I* have the docs ;-) |
| 21:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng 20..30MB of them |
| 21:42.22 | SpeedEvil | Just the user-mode programming - or is htere any GSM codec docs? |
| 21:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | no docs about gsm-stack src |
| 21:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's not even developer relevant info |
| 21:43.43 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I know - idly wondering |
| 21:44.34 | SpeedEvil | sits and twiddles more pppd options at random. |
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| 21:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: gooo, gooo! maybe we finally find a way to keep gprs up and running, even beyond 24h barrier |
| 21:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | or during roaming |
| 21:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | or even stop it from freezing frameworkd :-S |
| 21:46.22 | SpeedEvil | alas - no - I'm trying to get my 3G modem 'with generous 150MB allowance' to work |
| 21:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 21:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | ueberlaeufer |
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| 21:49.59 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I can get it to maintain a connection with me trying to work out DNS, and it naking. |
| 21:50.38 | SpeedEvil | but that's not really very useful |
| 21:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | err, dhcp? |
| 21:53.08 | SpeedEvil | it's saying 'ms-dns' something in the config requests - I have no idea why |
| 21:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | btw, why not use arbitrary dns? |
| 21:53.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure why it's trying to find DNS - I don't care |
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| 21:54.28 | brolin | actually managed to to ssh to SHR on his FR. I had to ping my FR first, then ssh, then delete the old host key from ~/.ssh/known_hosts , then ssh again, ... maybe ping again before I could ssh. |
| 21:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | ping is nonsense I'd say. for ssh-key look people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh |
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| 21:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | never agin delete ssh-key from known-hosts |
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| 22:00.57 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: I am using Cygwin on Windows Vista, not Linux. I could not communicate with my FR at all with my old PC running Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop i386. |
| 22:01.46 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: Why does the FR's public host key keep changing? |
| 22:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 22:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | usually it doesn't. just each new installation creates a new unique key afaik |
| 22:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | why not putty on windoof generic, rather than cygwin? |
| 22:04.26 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: OK, that makes sense. The FR's public host key probably changed because this is the first time I have managed to ssh to SHR. |
| 22:05.41 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: Why do I need PuTTY if I am comfortable using Cygwin? :P |
| 22:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | ok, ... so why windows at all then? |
| 22:08.12 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: Because I want things to work without endless hassles? I want to spend more time using my PC than solving software configuration problems. |
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| 22:10.03 | brolin | I still use Ubuntu at work and on my old PC at home, but my new PC at home runs only Windows Vista. |
| 22:10.18 | Kagee | how "difficult" is it to convert a neo to a powersaving, log-when-moving blackbox gps? |
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| 22:11.20 | lindi- | Kagee: it'll still consume around 90 mA constantly |
| 22:11.38 | lindi- | Kagee: the logging part does not consume much, tracking and being awake does |
| 22:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | I want things to work the way I think they should. So I couldn't ever get there in windoof. I don't like sw to "just work (80%, other 20% just fail)". I prefer making it work exactly to *my* needs and I'm willing to spend a little time configuring it, so I'll save that time easily later on using this individualized sw |
| 22:11.50 | SeligArkin | Kagee: You really need to stop stalking me.. :D :O |
| 22:11.52 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 22:12.37 | Kagee | SeligArkin: hmm, where did i stalk you from :-? |
| 22:12.52 | SeligArkin | Kagee: I was making a very lame joke. :P |
| 22:12.58 | m0nt0 | hi i'm trying to use tangogps on shr-unstable but i can't get the images displayed (it download the maps correctly but i can't see them) and it print out a lot of gtk-pixbuf or similar errors |
| 22:13.50 | Kagee | What is the lowest possible powerconsumtion where the phone still can reactivate on a predefined time? |
| 22:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: btw if it were for "just works" OS, I always would prefer MacOS |
| 22:14.27 | lindi- | Kagee: 3 mA if you have no gsm and you are in suspend |
| 22:14.43 | lindi- | Kagee: but you won't have gps fix |
| 22:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: roundabout 50uA |
| 22:15.24 | SeligArkin | Kagee: What do you want to track? |
| 22:15.31 | Kagee | DocScrutinizer: logging or sleeping? |
| 22:16.05 | lindi- | i've never measured 50 uA |
| 22:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: powered down, awaking on RTC alarm on a predefined time (not more than 1 year into the future) |
| 22:16.34 | lindi- | ah, powered down, but then you need to boot too :) |
| 22:16.38 | Kagee | SeligArkin: i want to place a neo and a battery in a blackbox on the roof of a car (with permission), and have it track where the car moved from 0700 though 2300 every day |
| 22:16.58 | Kagee | RTC alarm :-? |
| 22:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: boot wasn't a preclusive detail |
| 22:17.07 | SeligArkin | Kagee: You could power it from the car. |
| 22:17.15 | lindi- | yeah, boot just will take a lot of time and thus power |
| 22:17.36 | Kagee | SeligArkin: that's a lot more work (wiring etc) than just tapping it to a roof |
| 22:17.43 | Kagee | also hard to move |
| 22:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: that's not been the question either |
| 22:18.03 | lindi- | Kagee: how often do you charge it? |
| 22:18.58 | lindi- | Kagee: and how often do you want it to wake? |
| 22:19.16 | Kagee | lindi-: i was just planning to run it as long as an external batterypack lasts, and then recharge it |
| 22:19.29 | Kagee | wakeup at dawn, suspend at night |
| 22:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: in sleep mode consumption still can be as low as 2..3mA |
| 22:19.50 | lindi- | Kagee: ok, so it needs to track constantly during day? |
| 22:20.26 | lindi- | Kagee: 1440 mAh per day then |
| 22:20.41 | lindi- | (16 h * 90mA) |
| 22:21.01 | Kagee | lindi-: it would only need to track every 5/10 min, and the log ofter if it has moved, and stop loggin when it has been stationary more than, say 15 minutes |
| 22:21.16 | Kagee | *log more often if it has moved |
| 22:21.40 | lindi- | Kagee: it's not so easy. if you stop gps it will take time to get a fix again |
| 22:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: damn, no. even with gps full powered you can go to sleep for a minute or two, and will eat less than 90, no? |
| 22:22.33 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yep with some odd commands that I don't know :) |
| 22:23.00 | Kagee | ok, so it can only get the position every second (ca), not every 5 min ? |
| 22:23.21 | lindi- | Kagee: well you want to start reading the specs at this point :) |
| 22:23.54 | Kagee | ... for the gps chip ? |
| 22:23.57 | lindi- | Kagee: all sorts of odd "keep fix but don't track" modes |
| 22:24.00 | lindi- | Kagee: for the gps chip yes |
| 22:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: how much is gps eating? in normal power-up full active mode? |
| 22:25.37 | lindi- | i don't remember this by heart sorry |
| 22:25.48 | lindi- | 10-50 mA is my very wild guess :) |
| 22:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | so where is the need of strange commands when going to sleep while gps on? |
| 22:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | will result in 12..60mA then |
| 22:28.48 | lindi- | yep there was an email about it |
| 22:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | I read 84mA on a system with 8% backlite, all subsystems off |
| 22:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | atm |
| 22:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | even 77mA |
| 22:32.27 | Kagee | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#AGPS << none of these links work :-S |
| 22:32.57 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: 8% = 21 in sysfs? |
| 22:33.10 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: I get 92 mA with that |
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| 22:47.10 | Kagee | and the specs is in a *.chm that wont open... |
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| 23:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | grrr, DSL-outage |
| 23:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | gps enabled with fix, it's 136mA |
| 23:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | so GPS takes ~60mA without any power saving measures (and shr-settings-position eating some cpu while displaying NMEA results) |
| 23:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | ok, let me close the settings display and see what's "idle" power consumption |
| 23:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no change |
| 23:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: if you are ok with a fix every 10min, you can power down gps and go to sleep, and set alarm time to wake after 10min. then power up gps, wait up to 180sec for a fix (usually <60sec), log that, and go to sleep again. This would reduce avrg power consumption to <20mA |
| 23:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: or keep gps powered all the time, and get fix as often as you want. Avrg power consumption <70mA |
| 23:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | btw, ""[2009-09-06 00:33:10] <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: I get 92 mA with that"" was last I got. So if anybody talked to me meanwhile, please resend |
| 23:07.50 | Kagee | can i read the current power consumtion battery / usb from software? |
| 23:09.38 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: they did not |
| 23:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: see shr-settings-power |
| 23:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: or http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail |
| 23:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs |
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| 23:24.48 | Kagee | i could in theory run the neo w/o an internal battery, right? |
| 23:26.05 | mjr | yes, but afaik the gsm module would not be available then |
| 23:26.20 | mjr | so the usefulness depends |
| 23:26.33 | Kagee | but the gps module is avalible? |
| 23:26.45 | mjr | afaik |
| 23:26.50 | PaulFertser | Kagee: yes |
| 23:27.00 | Kagee | then that's no problem |
| 23:27.38 | PaulFertser | Kagee: also you can run neo with a PSU connected to battery terminals but to keep gsm usable you'll need to ensure very low resistance and stability. |
| 23:28.16 | Kagee | i wont need the gsm module for this project. |
| 23:29.05 | PaulFertser | Kagee: "i could in theory run the neo" <-- neo can be understood different ways, gta01==neo1973 and gta01 should never be tried to run without a battery. |
| 23:29.44 | mjr | oh, there is that |
| 23:33.07 | Kagee | frerunner |
| 23:33.12 | Kagee | +e |
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| 23:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: for adding a huge bat I recommend voltage 3V6<=Vbat<=4V5 and connect to FR bat terminals |
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| 23:53.28 | Kagee | DocScrutinizer: i can only find 3.3 and 5 volts voltage regulators .... |
| 23:53.56 | Kagee | I don't have the fr with me, what is the battery voltage? |
| 23:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | voltage regulator? is deprecated anyway |
| 23:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | nominal 3.7 |
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| 23:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: use 3 NiMH cells |
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| 23:58.54 | Kagee | (1.5*3)*x ? |
