| 00:01.25 | LiL_mr-t | unable to make a call using shr-unstable. |
| 00:02.00 | LiL_mr-t | brolin, link works here also |
| 00:04.57 | hipitihop | brolin: you might find following link useful in these circumstances: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
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| 00:07.36 | brolin | tag8tag: You are in France, correct? |
| 00:08.01 | tag8tag | yes |
| 00:19.23 | Psi | is changing the lcd between a gta01 and gta02 something someone can do at home? |
| 00:19.34 | Psi | or is it all glued/sealed in |
| 00:39.21 | brolin | <http://vpsville.ca/> is accessible again for me too. I should have checked before asking, though, because, for all I know (or do not know, in this case. ;)), it may have already been accessible again by the time I asked! |
| 00:40.57 | ShellEvil | Psi: I vaguely recall DocScrutinizer saying it was a plausible upgrade |
| 00:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: you can do at home |
| 00:42.32 | ShellEvil | wishes it was possible to do the upgrade, and pull the glamo out of the circuit at the same time. |
| 00:43.06 | Psi | thanks |
| 00:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: if your skills are sufficient for e.g. removing a messed videotape from recorder |
| 00:43.15 | Psi | yeah |
| 00:45.43 | Psi | was thinking about that gta02 with a cracked screen thats for sale on the mailing list |
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| 00:46.14 | Psi | but just saw that its 850mhz. so not that much use to me |
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| 00:50.23 | ShellEvil | Psi: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/data-plans/pay-as-you-go/pay-as-you-go/daily-mobilebroadband-plus/t-mobile/usb-stick-150/overview/ - problem solved |
| 00:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: I used 850 here in europe without even noticing - just wondered why O2 wasn't roaming to t-mobile. A friend used 850 device with 900 carrier vodaphone and complained about rather poor sensitivity. But it still worked in urban environment |
| 00:51.11 | ShellEvil | 60*26*12 - so the PCB must be 48*22*4 or so |
| 00:51.32 | Psi | ShellEvil: im in NZ |
| 00:52.12 | ShellEvil | ah |
| 00:52.29 | ShellEvil | has no clue about NZs telecoms infrastructure. |
| 00:52.46 | Psi | 2G is on 900 and 1800mhz |
| 00:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: for removing lcm: it's glued to pcb with doublesided sticky. you can ease your task if you warm up a little (like placing on your monitor, or under a desklamp, or oven at 60C) |
| 00:54.08 | Psi | i see |
| 00:55.52 | brolin | hipitihop: What if http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com goes down on me? ;) |
| 00:56.31 | ShellEvil | brolin: thank it afterwards. |
| 00:57.03 | brolin | hipitihop: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com :) |
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| 00:58.10 | brolin | ShellEvil: Shall I set its sticky bit too? ;) |
| 00:58.56 | ShellEvil | Set permissions to owner only - unless you want to allow access by your group. |
| 00:59.42 | hipitihop | brolin: :-) |
| 01:01.45 | brolin | is disappointed because he was expecting http://if.fi/ to be about sh/bash. :( |
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| 01:08.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r4251b4c58a9e 10libpersistence/src/jsonreader.vala: fix bug in jsonreader to allow empty arrays ([]), sorry, i had to reformat this file, but i could not see anything beforehand |
| 01:08.04 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r26180fd3c0fe 10libpersistence/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add testcase for empty arrays |
| 01:08.25 | brolin | ShellEvil: Shall I scan it for open ports? I want to be certain it is not running BackOrifice. ;) |
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| 01:10.18 | brolin | http://hi.fi/ <-- She is attractive, but I expected an audio Web site. At least she has stereoscopic vision. ;) |
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| 01:11.54 | brolin | http://fsck.me/ :D |
| 01:14.48 | brolin | can see the full width (I mean I can see the sides) of the background image on http://hi.fi/ because he is using 2560x1600! :) |
| 01:35.50 | brolin | http://execute.me/ is similar. |
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| 01:51.03 | AlexC | I changed my display driver in enlightenment on the gui and don't know which config file it applies to |
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| 02:48.04 | bitplane | Is there an easy way for me to get started writing userland apps for openmoko, a simple one-click-here-you-go way to get it running in an emulator, ssh into the thing and start making stuff? |
| 02:49.17 | SpeedEvil | there used to be - make qemu - on mokomakefile |
| 02:49.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it's still there |
| 02:49.34 | SpeedEvil | I'd look on the qemu page of hte wiki. |
| 02:49.36 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 02:50.01 | SpeedEvil | For much stuff - start up an xnest server at 480*640 - back off the screen a lot - and you're almost there |
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| 02:50.29 | Ke | doesn't moko run just somewhat normal userspace |
| 02:50.41 | SpeedEvil | yes - but on ARM |
| 02:50.48 | Ke | so just choose your libraries and develop on x86 |
| 02:50.54 | SpeedEvil | so most people can't run on x86 |
| 02:51.01 | Ke | =oP |
| 02:51.05 | SpeedEvil | but that's not really so vital |
| 02:51.07 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:51.10 | Ke | indeed |
| 02:51.14 | SpeedEvil | most people can't run on their desktop I mean |
| 02:52.51 | Ke | just remember openmoko has different endianess, floats are quite slower and ... |
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| 03:04.28 | charl3 | i just installed SHR and am having problems with suspend. sometimes it works fine, other times it leaves a pink line through the display |
| 03:04.33 | charl3 | kind of freezes the phone, ssh does not work |
| 03:04.41 | charl3 | buttons dont work etc |
| 03:06.18 | charl3 | is this normal? perhaps i should run without suspend? |
| 03:06.38 | fredrin | unstable? |
| 03:09.08 | brolin | Ke: Are you sure Openmoko uses non-little endian? I thought it was little endian, same as x86. |
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| 03:12.59 | Ke | hmm |
| 03:13.06 | Ke | not quite sure |
| 03:13.08 | charl3 | fredrin: yes |
| 03:13.34 | fredrin | could be that |
| 03:13.46 | charl3 | fredrin: i had the same problem months ago on another distro |
| 03:13.53 | charl3 | same pink line through the screen |
| 03:13.54 | fredrin | give the FR some love and it should work |
| 03:14.00 | charl3 | :) |
| 03:14.07 | fredrin | maybe it's hardware :( |
| 03:14.14 | slaxxer | Qi? |
| 03:14.22 | charl3 | fredrin: how do you mean |
| 03:14.33 | fredrin | could be Qi too |
| 03:14.37 | charl3 | slaxxer: does Qi do anything when suspend starts? |
| 03:14.52 | slaxxer | i dont know |
| 03:15.07 | charl3 | ok |
| 03:16.12 | Ke | brolin: still I guess it's a thing one should not rely on when programming to arm (or non-native, or even otherwise) |
| 03:19.59 | charl3 | i updated qi |
| 03:20.21 | charl3 | lets see if it still happends |
| 03:22.10 | charl3 | fredrin: how did you mean it could be a hardware error though |
| 03:22.28 | fredrin | it's always one alternative.... |
| 03:22.36 | fredrin | or option, but i hope not |
| 03:22.39 | slaxxer | new kernel too? |
| 03:23.06 | fredrin | but it sound strange when the hold things just hangs |
| 03:24.11 | charl3 | it only happends when it goes into suspend |
| 03:24.33 | slaxxer | is your kernel up to date? |
| 03:24.38 | charl3 | yes |
| 03:25.08 | charl3 | still same error |
| 03:25.14 | charl3 | :/ |
| 03:25.25 | charl3 | its all dark |
| 03:25.30 | charl3 | but still lit up |
| 03:25.32 | slaxxer | change to an older kernel an see |
| 03:25.36 | charl3 | and with a pink line through |
| 03:25.40 | charl3 | slaxxer: ok |
| 03:31.47 | charl3 | :/ still happends |
| 03:32.17 | charl3 | tried with the new kernel, a older one and a really old one |
| 03:32.30 | charl3 | sometimes the suspend works though |
| 03:37.34 | SeligArkin | Are the accelorometers represented in /dev/? I have a strange idea I want to try. >.> |
| 03:39.43 | SeligArkin | That was decidadly less fun than I hoped. >.> cat /dev/input/event3 | aplay |
| 03:40.13 | slaxxer | only 1 thing left:) |
| 03:41.12 | slaxxer | i guess u have the 090808 shr-u? |
| 03:43.07 | charl3 | slaxxer: you mean me? |
| 03:43.12 | slaxxer | yyea |
| 03:43.37 | charl3 | 090808 <-- kernel? |
| 03:44.04 | charl3 | i dont know what shr-u is |
| 03:44.05 | slaxxer | rootfs |
| 03:44.21 | charl3 | oh, ive done a upgrade today |
| 03:44.21 | slaxxer | shr-unstable |
| 03:44.26 | charl3 | cos it was not working |
| 03:44.30 | charl3 | but yeah i think it was that one |
| 03:44.34 | slaxxer | did it work before? |
| 03:44.38 | charl3 | n |
| 03:44.39 | charl3 | no |
| 03:45.16 | charl3 | infact last time i tried shr (looong time ago) i had the same issue i think |
| 03:45.28 | charl3 | but i only used shr for a day |
| 03:45.41 | slaxxer | have u tried it without a microsd in? |
| 03:45.41 | charl3 | atm its suspending without any problem |
| 03:46.04 | charl3 | no |
| 03:46.10 | charl3 | my OS is on my mircosd |
| 03:46.49 | slaxxer | hmmm |
| 03:47.30 | charl3 | now it has suspended like 10 times ok |
| 03:47.39 | charl3 | before it did not suspend once for about 2 hours |
| 03:47.45 | charl3 | (withut freezing) |
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| 03:49.30 | charl3 | its a very clear bug, pink line across a black screen |
| 03:50.56 | charl3 | and the only way to turn it off is removing the battery |
| 03:57.47 | charl3 | it stopped freezing, ive restarted and suspended a few times, ill try it over the weekend |
| 03:57.53 | Chocky | you're ill? |
| 03:58.17 | charl3 | Chocky: my FR is a bit ill |
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| 07:45.58 | PaulFertser | So, Wifi anyone?! The patch was reverted it should work again "properly" now! Please try it and report! |
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| 08:12.36 | LiL_mr-t | i want to run the command opkg update on my FR. i have created a usb network connection between my netbook and the FR and can ssh into it. my netbook has an internet connection via wifi. should the FR use the netbook connection in order to execute the opkg update command? |
| 08:13.40 | PaulFertser | LiL_mr-t: yes, you're supposed to know how to configure networking |
| 08:14.12 | PaulFertser | LiL_mr-t: you can make your netbook act as bridge or you can make it act as NAT router. |
| 08:14.33 | LiL_mr-t | hi PaulFertser. phone is working well thanks to your help last night. made a call this morning. :) |
| 08:14.42 | PaulFertser | LiL_mr-t: nice |
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| 08:31.21 | LiL_mr-t | I'm afraid i'm not so sure how to create the bridge/NAT solution. can anybody try to point me in the right direction? |
| 08:33.06 | max_posedon1 | read qemu networkibg docs |
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| 08:33.48 | max_posedon1 | as for simple NAT - wiki.openmoko.org have docs about NAT |
| 08:34.54 | LiL_mr-t | thanks max_posedon1, i'll check the wiki entry |
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| 08:41.07 | lindi- | PaulFertser: wifi patch seems to work at first glance |
| 08:41.33 | lindi- | will continue testing and then recommend it to others to test |
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| 09:36.06 | PaulFertser | lindi-: tbh i've already pushed it to andy-tracking head because everybody agreed that the patch itself is wrong. |
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| 10:13.04 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
| 10:14.18 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: morning indeed |
| 10:18.56 | naeg | hi all |
| 10:21.35 | SpeedEvil | hello |
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| 10:38.30 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03betheg 07framework * rfb001f3ce766 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 10:38.30 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: substitute empty provider string with information from network.tab. Fixes FSO #466 |
| 10:38.30 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: Some providers are too new for the modem, hence we get something like: |
| 10:38.30 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: +COPS: (2," "," ","26201"),(1,"o2 - de","o2 - de","26207"),(1,"E-Plus","E-Plus","26203"),(1,"Vodafone.de","Vodafone","26202") |
| 10:38.34 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: This fixes it by checking our (hopefully more current) provider database. |
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| 11:51.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: wlan still works :) |
| 11:52.37 | LiL_mr-t | enlightenment error while running opkg install task-shr-apps task-shr-games task-shr-gtk. install still downloading and installing. should i choose recover or exit on the FR screen? |
| 11:54.32 | LiL_mr-t | or just leave it until the download/install has finished? it is currently configuring. |
| 11:56.05 | _jan | i would wait, and next time run it in a screen session :) |
| 12:01.29 | LiL_mr-t | ok. i exited. had to remove battery to turn FR off. rebooted and all appears ok. desktop loaded... shows intone, pidgin and other new icons. |
| 12:01.38 | LiL_mr-t | hopefully all is ok |
| 12:02.47 | _jan | just rerun upgrade the youll probably see :) |
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| 12:05.23 | LiL_mr-t | _jan. i just ran the following commands originally... opkg-cl update, opkg-cl upgrade and then opkg install task-shr-apps task-shr-games task-shr-gtk. so shall i run opkg upgrade now? |
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| 12:11.50 | naeg | hey PaulFertser |
| 12:11.58 | PaulFertser | naeg: hey :) |
| 12:12.21 | naeg | PaulFertser: we have ubifs built in now, so how do i get this speedboost now? just mount as type ubifs? |
| 12:12.23 | Psi | anyone know if lazarus works for creating apps for gta01/02? |
| 12:12.34 | naeg | (ubifs-utils packaged too) |
| 12:12.59 | PaulFertser | naeg: you need to flash rootfs of type ubifs then. And use kernel parameter rootfs=ubifs iirc. |
| 12:13.19 | naeg | PaulFertser: and mkfs.ubifs to make image? |
| 12:13.25 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes |
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| 12:13.43 | naeg | ah ok thanks |
| 12:13.56 | PaulFertser | naeg: it'd be interesting to hear the results ;) |
| 12:15.33 | naeg | PaulFertser: i will make speedtest: only sd card vs booting from nand(using ubifs), union mounting the sd card in initrd over / |
| 12:18.12 | naeg | forget that point with initrd |
| 12:18.41 | SpeedEvil | also - ubifs on sd |
| 12:19.35 | max_posedon1 | ubifs on sd is stupid and useless |
| 12:19.38 | naeg | SpeedEvil: user can use whatever they want on sd, but we use ext2, bootloader requires that |
| 12:19.47 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 12:19.50 | max_posedon1 | even if it wil work |
| 12:19.53 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: why? |
| 12:20.09 | max_posedon1 | its fs for RAW flash |
| 12:20.18 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: random write of small files on SD can have a performance of several K/second |
| 12:20.39 | max_posedon1 | think about sd internals |
| 12:21.02 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: 4K writes to a device with 128K erase blocksize = pain. |
| 12:21.02 | max_posedon1 | any such flash already have all mehanizm |
| 12:21.38 | SpeedEvil | max_posedon: they don't - small block writes make for _terrible_ performance on all SDs I have tested. |
| 12:21.42 | max_posedon1 | but you HAVEN'T access to flash on sd |
| 12:21.47 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 12:21.56 | max_posedon1 | its all done by firmware inside |
| 12:22.03 | SpeedEvil | But a large block write will tend to equal a large block write. |
| 12:22.17 | max_posedon1 | you never know |
| 12:22.31 | max_posedon1 | also, it already done by fimware |
| 12:22.49 | SpeedEvil | I was seeing speedups of hundreds of times doing large blocks - 256k - compared to 1K |
| 12:23.00 | naeg | someone ever created ubifs images for his neo? do i have to set any device depending args? |
| 12:23.09 | max_posedon1 | on sd? |
| 12:23.14 | naeg | no, for NAND |
| 12:23.28 | naeg | (did you mean me?) |
| 12:23.29 | PaulFertser | naeg: erase page size |
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| 12:23.55 | pieterc | Hi |
| 12:24.18 | pieterc | I'm taking my moko for a backpacking trip to France (for 2 weeks) |
| 12:24.29 | naeg | PaulFertser: no such option: http://pastebin.com/m1001adcd |
| 12:24.31 | pieterc | what image do you suggest and what apps? ;) |
| 12:24.54 | pieterc | (tangogps is a winner for sure ;-)) |
| 12:25.14 | naeg | SHR i guess pieterc, most stable, most usable |
| 12:25.19 | PaulFertser | naeg: probable -e ? |
| 12:25.36 | pieterc | naeg: of course SHR, but what shr image :) |
| 12:25.45 | naeg | pieterc: unstable |
| 12:25.50 | pieterc | 4august? |
| 12:25.50 | naeg | PaulFertser: -e 0 ? |
| 12:26.05 | naeg | pieterc: dunno, not really into SHR |
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| 12:27.02 | pieterc | is there another shr image place than http://build.shr-project.org/ <-- this one? |
| 12:27.13 | pieterc | because the latest image over there is 8th of august |
| 12:27.20 | pieterc | i'd like a somewhat more recent image? |
| 12:27.25 | pieterc | Anyone got a recent build? |
| 12:27.31 | PaulFertser | naeg: no idea if it's correct but OE uses this: EXTRA_IMAGECMD_ubifs = "-m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047" |
| 12:28.17 | naeg | i'll give it a try |
| 12:29.45 | naeg | PaulFertser: well i gess 3,7mb is less |
| 12:31.55 | naeg | ok, i did -d rootfs/* which seems to be wrong, it's -d rootfs/ |
| 12:35.54 | naeg | PaulFertser: can i flash like this: dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D rootfs_filename.ubifs |
| 12:36.03 | naeg | i don't want to destroy anything ;D |
| 12:38.40 | PaulFertser | naeg: you'll just reflash your NAND rootfs, no way to destroy anything |
| 12:38.47 | PaulFertser | naeg: does dfu-util accept that file? |
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| 12:39.26 | PaulFertser | was under the impression sometimes dfu-util needs to have a "DFU footer" in files it flashes. |
| 12:41.26 | naeg | PaulFertser: yes, it's flashing |
| 12:41.34 | naeg | we'll see if it boots... |
| 12:42.01 | PaulFertser | naeg: what bootloader are you using? |
| 12:42.02 | naeg | it has 117mb, so it takes some time |
| 12:42.08 | naeg | PaulFertser: qi |
| 12:42.34 | PaulFertser | naeg: i'm afraid it'll force the kernel to think it's jffs2 and it won't be able to mount it :( |
| 12:43.06 | naeg | PaulFertser: uboot? |
| 12:43.08 | PaulFertser | naeg: qi has kernel command line hardcoded for NAND |
| 12:43.22 | PaulFertser | naeg: well, with uboot you can tweak it however you like |
| 12:43.34 | naeg | PaulFertser: change command line and compile? |
| 12:43.42 | naeg | open source ftw :D |
| 12:44.13 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes, i'd just change the line and Qi and recompile |
| 12:45.32 | pieterc | naeg: Open source ftw... okay, but a shitty proprietary software thing would not have hardcoded it in the first place ;-) |
| 12:47.29 | naeg | naaah, open source ftw :D |
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| 12:49.46 | PaulFertser | pieterc: you actually made me think... Qi already reads the factory partition to get the MAC. It can as well read kernel command line from there. |
| 12:51.15 | pieterc | PaulFertser: exactly what I was thinking |
| 12:53.03 | PaulFertser | pieterc: do you know what FS the factory partition uses? |
| 12:53.35 | pieterc | PaulFertser: hm... no idea |
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| 12:54.02 | PaulFertser | pieterc: then you are not thinking the same i do ;) |
| 12:54.06 | Graf_Ithaka | hi there :) |
| 12:54.39 | _phil | PaulFertser: should rootfstype=jffs2 show up /proc/cmdline when booting with Qi? |
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| 12:55.06 | PaulFertser | _phil: in case you boot from NAND, yes |
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| 12:55.31 | _phil | ahh, i was missing that :) |
| 12:59.54 | naeg | ok, found commandline option rootfstype=jffs2, and changed to rootfstype=ubifs, now waiting til flashing of rootfs is finished, then flashing fresh compiled qi and hoping for good results ;) |
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| 13:11.46 | naeg | PaulFertser: it's not booting, i think it's the ubifs image, can't see anything special outer "Exeption Stack(0x781fed8 0x781ff20)" |
| 13:12.54 | naeg | PaulFertser: no, qi debug mode confused me: kernel panic! |
| 13:13.22 | naeg | not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,6) |
| 13:14.12 | lindi- | naeg: how about trying to mount the partition first as non-root fs? |
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| 13:15.53 | naeg | lindi-: how? |
| 13:16.14 | lindi- | naeg: with the mount command? |
| 13:16.16 | PaulFertser | naeg: boot from SD |
| 13:16.21 | PaulFertser | naeg: the same kernel |
| 13:16.29 | PaulFertser | naeg: and try to mount /dev/mtdblock6 |
| 13:16.29 | naeg | yes, this was _phil's idea too |
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| 13:21.36 | _phil | PaulFertser: are there plans to support initrd on the GTA02 with Qi? |
| 13:23.21 | PaulFertser | _phil: it is supported already |
| 13:23.36 | PaulFertser | _phil: when booting from uSD, not NAND |
| 13:24.26 | naeg | but we need it from NAND :/ |
| 13:24.51 | _phil | oh, alright, i've tried with /boot/initramfs.gz and with initrd=/boot/initramfs.gz which did not work for me |
| 13:26.21 | _phil | i've a small patch that did the trick, but it doesn't fell right: http://pastebin.com/m76ee4135 |
| 13:26.31 | _phil | -fell+feel :) |
| 13:31.28 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: ping |
| 13:31.33 | PaulFertser | BillK_: pong |
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| 13:31.50 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: the link you gave in the email |
| 13:31.59 | BillK_ | to the wifi fixed kernel looks |
| 13:32.11 | BillK_ | wrong - 762 bytes in wget and firefox ... |
| 13:32.59 | PaulFertser | BillK_: well, you need in fact ar6000 driver module installed, not the kernel image. |
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| 13:33.56 | PaulFertser | BillK_: and 762 bytes is correct, that's a meta-package |
| 13:34.37 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: ahh, explains it, sorry :) |
| 13:35.13 | _phil | PaulFertser: is there any other way to pass the initramfs.gz file, which i am overlooking? |
| 13:35.31 | PaulFertser | _phil: the method you use seem to be correct... |
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| 13:40.24 | naeg | it's no more booting from SD, in verbose mode i get "Empty Flash at <adress>" (can't read) |
| 13:44.10 | _phil | PaulFertser: patch, http://pastebin.com/m76ee4135, does the trick for me |
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| 13:45.57 | PaulFertser | _phil: as i said, there's support in Qi, just a little bit buggy it seems ;) |
| 13:47.23 | _phil | PaulFertser: this is more a patch submission than a question, thought you might be interested :) |
| 13:48.07 | PaulFertser | _phil: i am indeed, do you want to pick it up as is or are you going to do proper git-format-patch? |
| 13:48.39 | PaulFertser | _phil: do you have any idea why INITRD_OFFSET is wrong? |
| 13:49.52 | _phil | PaulFertser: will reformat it. No, without the kernel complains about overlapping memory on boot |
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| 13:52.49 | PaulFertser | _phil: i wonder why Andy wrote it that way... |
| 13:53.14 | PaulFertser | _phil: you might want to do it in two separate commits even: one for bug-fixing, one to add gta02 configuration |
| 13:53.46 | _phil | PaulFertser: k, where to send'em? |
| 13:54.39 | PaulFertser | _phil: if you're subscribed to openmoko-kernel, then there. If not, mail me directly. fercerpav (at) gmail (dot) com |
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| 14:02.37 | naeg | ok, at least shr boots from nand, but qi ignores my sd -.- |
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| 14:24.40 | andi | which irc client do zou use on your freerunner |
| 14:25.28 | lindi- | andi: I mostly ssh home to use irssi :( |
| 14:25.37 | lindi- | andi: xchat does not handle 30+ channels well |
| 14:27.41 | andi | the gtk1 version was faster |
| 14:29.39 | andi | running irsi in a screen session I guess |
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| 14:35.44 | *** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
| 14:37.59 | tomcatek | pingdin can do irc too |
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| 14:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | xchat here |
| 14:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | after adjusting font to 3pt and siabling menubar it's ok for me |
| 14:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | s/siab/disab/ |
| 14:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | andi: please report on misguiding and "noise" on your compass hack. Is it linear wrt heading vs readout? does it jump on e.g. changing backlit brightness / tx action on modem? |
| 14:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | andi: as there's vibrator motor next to the place you put that compass chip I'd expect severy missguiding. can it be compensated? |
| 14:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | serverE |
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| 15:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | andi: you also might want to shield/remove the speaker as its magnetic field is much stronger still than vibrator motor |
| 15:04.50 | SpeedEvil | But should be constant |
| 15:05.07 | SpeedEvil | vibrator motor will come to rest in various orientations, and probably significantly modulate the field. |
| 15:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 15:05.11 | SpeedEvil | Even when stationary |
| 15:05.39 | SpeedEvil | you can calibrate out stationary fields fairly well - require the user to turn in a circle three times forex |
| 15:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I asked if it can be compensated or simply drives compass into saturation |
| 15:05.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 15:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you get a non-ambiguous relation between heading and readout you always can compensate/calibrate |
| 15:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | but speaker magnetic field is so much stronger than earth field... I seriously doubt this will fly. So any comment of andi highly welcome |
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| 15:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | in the end if andi is wildly determined to make that work, he can discard vibrator and replace speaker by a piezo |
| 15:12.55 | LiL_mr-t | i'm running the post-installation script for SHR-unstable. i need to change the VLANGUAGE entry from de to a british one. do i use uk or gb or en-gb? |
| 15:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | seems to remeber some postinstall script from wiki somewhere, which was discussed and mostly considered obsolete or even harmful, a few days ago |
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| 15:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | might be wrong though |
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| 15:16.24 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, really? hmm, maybe a good thing i stopped it then. i found it here, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_post-installation |
| 15:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | check from when it dates |
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| 15:17.19 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, 25-8-2009 |
| 15:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | probably old and bitrotten |
| 15:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 15:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | no comment on that then |
| 15:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind my remarks |
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| 15:18.30 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, ok, np... thanks. you don't happen to know what the vLANGUAGE entry should be for the uk do you? |
| 15:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | not from top of my head |
| 15:18.53 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, by default the scfript is set to de for germany. |
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| 15:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | so try en I guess |
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| 15:31.35 | LiL_mr-t | can anyone confirm that "en" is the correct code to put under vLANGUAGE? |
| 15:32.31 | naeg | PaulFertser: could you join #arch-arm for the issue with ubifs? mounting doesn't work |
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| 15:36.52 | LiL_mr-t | for anyone interested, it appears to be "en-gb" |
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| 16:51.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.electronicsproductionworld.com/articleView~idArticle~71680_173413417372008.html |
| 16:51.25 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 17:18.24 | andi | DocScrutinizer,SpeedEvil: compass measurement errors seem to be compensable, there is a non-ambiguous relation between heading and atan(y,x) when I rotate the freerunner on the ground of a parking lot (away from metal things) |
| 17:18.52 | andi | what influence backlight, the vibration motor and similar stuff has, I have still to test |
| 17:20.04 | SpeedEvil | tries to recall where he put that paper. |
| 17:21.31 | SpeedEvil | Somewhere I have a nice paper on calibration of a magnetometer in proximity to soft and hard errors |
| 17:24.10 | Chocky | offtopic strawpoll: WinCE + Mozilla/Webkit + flash player? |
| 17:24.25 | Chocky | yes, an open an arbitrary question. |
| 17:28.52 | Ke | syntax error |
| 17:29.44 | Ke | but from that selection only webkit has some appeal to it |
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| 17:36.28 | LiL_mr-t | is it correct that .bash_history is named .ash_history on the FR? |
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| 17:50.18 | Undrwater | is it possible to install apps to SD? |
| 17:50.32 | mjr | yes (how depends on distro) |
| 17:50.51 | Chocky | you can use symlink comedy. |
| 17:50.55 | Undrwater | mjr: that was for me? |
| 17:51.11 | Chocky | and there are various things like 'stow' which can do tricks in regular distros |
| 17:51.32 | Undrwater | Chocky: :) i'm aware of the comedy...no official solutions or recommendations in this area? |
| 17:51.41 | Undrwater | used to do that in Zaurus |
| 17:51.47 | Chocky | not off the top of my head, no. |
| 17:51.56 | Undrwater | i guess that's why it's recommended ot install to SD and use qi |
| 17:52.11 | Chocky | yes, when I did OO.org for the NetBook, it had to be on a CF card, so I used the symlink comedy to run it |
| 17:52.43 | Chocky | or you could put /usr on SD; that would be a cheap work around. |
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| 17:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | who recommends using Qi? |
| 17:57.14 | Chocky | its developer ;P |
| 17:57.43 | Undrwater | DocScrutinizer: some of the wiki pages and some folks here...it's said that it helps increase suspend / resume times and boot times |
| 17:58.00 | lindi- | Undrwater: anybody can edit wiki :) |
| 17:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's a lie |
| 17:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | basically |
| 17:58.30 | Undrwater | i never noticed increased anything...but i wasn't about to call anyone a liar ;) |
| 17:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | the Qi vs uBoot war is somewhat... err religious |
| 17:58.42 | Undrwater | i prefer uboot 'cause i can choose the partition i boot |
| 17:58.53 | Undrwater | ahh...like emacs vi? |
| 17:58.59 | Undrwater | kde gnome |
| 17:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:59.11 | Undrwater | christianity, islam? |
| 17:59.27 | Undrwater | shall we bomb the Qi people? |
| 17:59.36 | Chocky | toilet paper them |
| 17:59.44 | Undrwater | apparently they have longer noses |
| 17:59.56 | LiL_mr-t | well i bought into that... the wiki did tend to big up qi... ;) |
| 17:59.59 | Undrwater | or crooked pinky toes |
| 18:01.01 | SpeedEvil | qi was the solution to all openmokos problems - the bootloader that would finally make it user-ready. |
| 18:01.04 | SpeedEvil | or something. |
| 18:01.22 | Undrwater | i understand that...it hides everything "booty" away |
| 18:01.30 | Undrwater | like a consumer devic |
| 18:01.32 | Undrwater | e |
| 18:01.38 | LiL_mr-t | from the wiki... "Qi is the recommended bootloader for the Neo FreeRunner. Installing it will result in faster booting. If you want to have multiple operating systems on your phone you should still stick with U-Boot, which is the older bootloader." |
| 18:01.54 | Undrwater | "older" :) |
| 18:02.04 | Ke | isn't it |
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| 18:02.44 | Undrwater | alternate is a better word |
| 18:03.05 | Undrwater | or even more feature full |
| 18:03.24 | Ke | that it is |
| 18:07.51 | Chocky | featureful |
| 18:08.04 | Chocky | "feature full" would mean something else |
| 18:09.25 | Ke | still only relevant bootloader feature is to get the OS running |
| 18:10.53 | SpeedEvil | And to resume |
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| 18:12.57 | Ke | resume? |
| 18:13.09 | Ke | suspend to disk? |
| 18:13.17 | SpeedEvil | The processor is 'off' when suspended to RAM |
| 18:13.34 | SpeedEvil | It's essentially a normal boot up until something notes the 'suspended' flag |
| 18:13.54 | Ke | ok |
| 18:14.09 | LiL_mr-t | i've put a swapfile on my sdcard, when FR boots it reports it has holes in it. should i worry? :) |
| 18:14.48 | Ke | LiL_mr-t: probably not since the media doesn't suffer from fragmentation |
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| 18:15.26 | Ke | It just means swapping in and out is slower afaik |
| 18:15.41 | LiL_mr-t | Ke, do you know why it occurs? |
| 18:15.57 | Ke | swap file is fragmented |
| 18:15.58 | SpeedEvil | Does it say sparse? |
| 18:16.02 | LiL_mr-t | brb... gotta get a cat out of a wardrobe... |
| 18:16.24 | Ke | =D |
| 18:16.30 | SpeedEvil | I suggest a flamethrower. |
| 18:16.41 | Ke | will never see him again |
| 18:17.13 | LiL_mr-t | lol |
| 18:17.20 | Ke | hmm or would that message include refusal to use swapfile at all |
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| 18:17.35 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: don't believe it does (say sparse that is) |
| 18:17.47 | Ke | used truncate to create it? |
| 18:18.23 | LiL_mr-t | swapon: swapfile has holes |
| 18:18.26 | lindi- | Ke: linux won't activate swap on a file that has holes. |
| 18:18.46 | Ke | yes |
| 18:19.01 | SpeedEvil | Sparse files mean a file that is created to a given size - but the storage is not allocated. |
| 18:19.15 | SpeedEvil | For example - open a file - seek to a gigabyte - write one byte - close it |
| 18:19.27 | Chocky | :o |
| 18:19.30 | SpeedEvil | On most unix filesystems, that will result in a disk usage of 4k |
| 18:19.30 | LiL_mr-t | i also get a fat: invalid media value at boot |
| 18:19.36 | Chocky | SparseEvil |
| 18:19.41 | LiL_mr-t | don't know if that relates |
| 18:19.47 | SpeedEvil | (or whatever the block size is) |
| 18:20.05 | SpeedEvil | The file only has storage allocated when a block is actually written |
| 18:20.14 | SpeedEvil | This - for obvious reasons - sucks with swap |
| 18:20.46 | SpeedEvil | how did you make the swapfile? |
| 18:21.24 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536 |
| 18:21.43 | SpeedEvil | that should not make a sparse file |
| 18:21.59 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: then added echo "/swapfile swap swap defaults 0 0">> /etc/fstab |
| 18:22.22 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: finally, mkswap /swapfile |
| 18:22.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=%22swapfile+has+holes%22 |
| 18:23.00 | LiL_mr-t | i followed the instructions over at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual |
| 18:24.32 | Ke | I think fragmentation can also create files not valid for swaping |
| 18:24.46 | Ke | or remember reading |
| 18:24.52 | mjr | indeed |
| 18:25.32 | LiL_mr-t | Ke, the sdcard is formatted as ext2 |
| 18:25.38 | mjr | oops, I was in scrollback |
| 18:26.06 | SpeedEvil | The kernel soruce says that that message is a result of the bmap call returning 0 when asked for the block address of the first block of the file. |
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| 18:26.41 | SpeedEvil | So it's being asked for the block address of the first block of the file and being unable to find it |
| 18:28.16 | mjr | incidentally, I once wrote a convenience wrapper for dd for truncating files to a given length (useful for making sparse empty files or clipping large files to size, for instance if you want to delete a large file on a sucky filesystem such as ext3 and don't want the process to bring file operations to a screeching halt ;] |
| 18:28.20 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: hmm. above and beyond me... (like most things!) |
| 18:28.22 | mjr | http://mjr.iki.fi/software/trunc |
| 18:29.03 | Ke | mjr: not truncate? |
| 18:29.14 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: so an issue with my sdcard? |
| 18:29.18 | mjr | (and of course the kludge for the delete is to trunc the file smaller and smaller in increments) |
| 18:29.19 | SpeedEvil | LiL_mr-t: no. |
| 18:29.25 | SpeedEvil | LiL_mr-t: probably not |
| 18:29.26 | mjr | Ke, nah, that wouldn't be truncated |
| 18:29.42 | SpeedEvil | LiL_mr-t: I would first try making a new swapfile and see if that works |
| 18:30.02 | SpeedEvil | LiL_mr-t: I would also check I hadn't done something ssutpid like disabled swap in the kernel config |
| 18:31.00 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: so go through the procedure again? how do i check if swap is diabled in the kernel config? |
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| 18:37.48 | Undrwater | LiL_mr-t: if you haven't played with the kernel or built your own, you didn't make that change |
| 18:38.24 | LiL_mr-t | Undrwater, i sure haven't... ;) |
| 18:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | what about a ls -l and stats /swapfile ? |
| 18:43.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 18:43.58 | SpeedEvil | and e2fsck |
| 18:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | that as well |
| 18:47.30 | Wonka | hrmmmm |
| 18:48.07 | Wonka | is there something wrong with usb in linux 2.6.30.5? i don't see my FR in lsusb output |
| 18:48.42 | Wonka | but when I manually(!) modprobe cdc_ether, i can then ifup usb0 and ssh to my FR |
| 18:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | for some reason I prefer swap *partitions* |
| 18:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: hmm, usually not |
| 18:49.32 | Wonka | i _can_ see my webcam and my keyboard in lsusb output, though |
| 18:49.55 | Wonka | /proc/bus/usb is not even there... that might be related to kernel changes. |
| 18:50.12 | Wonka | but why do I see the keyboard and not the FR? |
| 18:50.16 | Wonka | *confused* |
| 18:50.43 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil, ls -l /swapfile = -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 67108864 Sep 4 19:40 /swapfile |
| 18:51.51 | SpeedEvil | yeah - does e2fsck say it's a clean fs? |
| 18:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | LiL_mr-t: stat /swapfile ? |
| 18:52.04 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: odd |
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| 18:53.15 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, stat not found |
| 18:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 18:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSYBOX |
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| 18:53.56 | Wonka | uh? |
| 18:53.56 | slaxxer | well stopit |
| 18:53.58 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: e2fsck 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) |
| 18:53.58 | LiL_mr-t | Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 18:53.58 | LiL_mr-t | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /swapfile |
| 18:54.06 | Wonka | compiled 2.6.28.10, booted... |
| 18:54.11 | SpeedEvil | err - no - the filesystem it resides on |
| 18:54.22 | Wonka | now I see a friend's FR with USB ID 0525:a4a2? |
| 18:54.29 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: sorry... |
| 18:54.47 | Wonka | my own one is 1457:5122... |
| 18:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | btw 67M seems a little stingy for a sap |
| 18:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | sWap |
| 18:55.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I dunno - without actual ordered swap - you're going to take several minutes to fill that |
| 18:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | then it's worth nottin at all. Consider FR has 128M ram iirc |
| 18:56.42 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 18:56.42 | LiL_mr-t | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 18:57.22 | SpeedEvil | whThat is usually indicative that you've tried to r2fsck the wrong thing. |
| 18:57.26 | Chocky | heh |
| 18:57.30 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, yeah, think that's a test example on the wiki |
| 18:57.32 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure tha'ts the right filesystem? |
| 18:57.41 | SpeedEvil | Also - this was e2fs/? |
| 18:57.46 | SpeedEvil | is |
| 18:57.53 | Chocky | filesystem comedy |
| 18:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: LiL_mr-t: N900 maemo e.g. has 256M ram and 3 times that for swap |
| 18:58.17 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil, i ran fdisk -l, is that correct? |
| 18:58.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I remain to be convinced that without swap patches it's actually useful in the face of huge block erase latecnies. |
| 18:59.04 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I assume you don't have hardware? :) |
| 18:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | huh?? |
| 18:59.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: did you see that swap thing I was posting the other day - the swap paper. |
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| 18:59.35 | SpeedEvil | n900 |
| 18:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | don't have hardware??? |
| 18:59.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.usenix.org/event/hotos09/tech/full_papers/saxena/saxena_html/ |
| 19:00.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: LiL_mr-t: N900 maemo e.g. has 256M ram and 3 times that for swap |
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| 19:02.27 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: should the sdcard be listed by fdisk -l ? |
| 19:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ""We find that software latencies for a page fault could be as high as the time taken to read a page from flash..."" WTF isn't that plain self-evident? |
| 19:02.41 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: err - no |
| 19:03.34 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: At least not to me. I'd assumed it would be substantially faster. |
| 19:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: when page fault == need to swap in a page from flash (what is the definition of page fault it seems to me) then how could it ever be faster than what it is defined to do? |
| 19:05.43 | SpeedEvil | The total time before it begins to swap in from flash after the page fault occurs exceeds the total time to read one block from flash. |
| 19:05.51 | SpeedEvil | Which was surprising to me. |
| 19:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's a completely different statement and it's true |
| 19:06.34 | SpeedEvil | I disagree it's a different statement. |
| 19:06.55 | SpeedEvil | software latencies do not include hardware read times |
| 19:07.26 | azaghal | DocScrutinizer: I hate busybox as well :) |
| 19:07.26 | azaghal | I keep typing stuff like ps aux on my OpenWRT ;) |
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| 19:07.49 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: is fdisk -l the correct command to locate my sdcard? |
| 19:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | well maybe that's my poor English, but ""could be as high as the time"" suggests to me "we thought it's lower but actually it can go up to..." |
| 19:08.06 | SpeedEvil | LiL_mr-t: maybe. |
| 19:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | lower==faster |
| 19:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | LiL_mr-t: try df -h |
| 19:09.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It is inexact - but clear in its meaning to this english speaker. Assuming you understand that 'software latencies' would never include hardware read times - as I did. |
| 19:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | or mount |
| 19:09.28 | Chocky | so argue. |
| 19:10.14 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, mount shows, /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type ext2 (rw,errors=continue) |
| 19:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're right |
| 19:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I missed the "*software* latencies" |
| 19:12.23 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, df -h shows /dev/mmcblk0p1 972404 1272 921736 0% /media/card |
| 19:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | LiL_mr-t: so you know where your uSD is |
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| 19:14.24 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil wrote "whThat is usually indicative that you've tried to r2fsck the wrong thing." does this mean i've done something wrong then? |
| 19:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | seems to be a 1G card, with absolutely nothing on it! |
| 19:14.47 | SpeedEvil | That is usually indicative that you've tried to e2fsck the wrong thing |
| 19:14.56 | SpeedEvil | I was typing with my eyes shut. |
| 19:15.20 | SpeedEvil | I should really look at the screen occasionally. |
| 19:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | e2fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 19:15.29 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 19:15.32 | SpeedEvil | that's irrelevant |
| 19:15.35 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil, i'm confused? |
| 19:15.48 | SpeedEvil | you've created the 64M swapfile on the root filesystem not your SD card |
| 19:16.13 | LiL_mr-t | ah! |
| 19:16.17 | LiL_mr-t | i get that! |
| 19:16.21 | SpeedEvil | do the dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/sw... thing |
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| 19:17.22 | LiL_mr-t | and then do mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p1/swapfile |
| 19:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 19:17.54 | SpeedEvil | lilmer no |
| 19:18.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.11 | SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk0p1/swapfile |
| 19:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | aah :-S |
| 19:18.21 | SpeedEvil | will say no such file or directory I think |
| 19:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | sure will.. phy dev |
| 19:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | no fs on /dev |
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| 19:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | still I suggest you repartition uSD to have a small swap partition at end and use that rather than swapfile |
| 19:22.03 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil, so should i type /media/card/swapfile or /dev/mmcblk0p1/swapfile ? |
| 19:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | and still I suggest to make swap same size as ram at least |
| 19:22.19 | SeligArkin | Ok, I am going to attempt to make my own USB female to mini male adaptor, I have a mutilated wire with a mini end, and a usb port, What faces the most damage if I do this wrong, the moko or the device I test this with? And hints are much appreciated. |
| 19:22.40 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like /dev/mmcblk0p1/swapfile |
| 19:23.46 | LiL_mr-t | ok |
| 19:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: buy ready made adapters. It's simply not worth the effort. And for Ur Q: FR will suffer most, prolly will incinerate |
| 19:24.30 | LiL_mr-t | DocScrutinizer, so how should dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536 look to use the whole card? i gather i change count= ? |
| 19:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | LiL_mr-t: U don't want to use whole card |
| 19:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | and U need to use /nedia/card/swapfile (if you go for file rather than partition) |
| 19:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | double the count |
| 19:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | (or the bs ;-) |
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| 19:53.11 | [Rui] | ah, the sun and beach was awesome today :) |
| 19:53.40 | [Rui] | and now I have a 3G card, I will be able to submit some 300 km or so of data for openbmap |
| 19:55.18 | Chocky | now just squeeze the card into the FR |
| 19:58.24 | [Rui] | Chocky: which won't do anything interesting with it? :) |
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| 19:58.34 | Chocky | ;-) |
| 19:58.59 | Chocky | the internals of the UM175 are pretty small, as long as you don't mind being tied to Verizon |
| 20:03.54 | Chocky | still a touch big for existing space in FR, unless you had a smaller battery, and then of course, the extra drain would kill your logetivity |
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| 20:11.28 | SpeedEvil | 3g cards are almost small enough. |
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| 20:11.46 | SpeedEvil | I saw one the other day that was ~22*48*4mm |
| 20:13.36 | SpeedEvil | Though I ended up getting a SIM for my existing 3G modem which turns out to have been locked |
| 20:13.59 | Chocky | the UM175 was very close to that size |
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| 20:14.22 | Chocky | the ones they put inside laptops are pretty similar too |
| 20:14.35 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/data-plans/pay-as-you-go/pay-as-you-go/daily-mobilebroadband-plus/t-mobile/usb-stick-150/overview/ |
| 20:16.24 | SpeedEvil | Though I don't know the modelnumber |
| 20:16.33 | [Rui] | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=pt-PT&msa=0&msid=110365518025191930255.000472c5f214b8310964c&ll=37.102015,-8.208847&spn=0.122672,0.308647&t=h&z=12 |
| 20:17.58 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1000x-NEW-UNLOCKED-HUAWEI-E156-3G-HSDPA-3-6mb-USB-MODEM_W0QQitemZ370223194987QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_LaptopAccessories_PCMCIACards?hash=item563305a36b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 :) |
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| 20:22.40 | LiL_mr-t | how do you view icons that are off the desktop with shr-unstable? |
| 20:23.18 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil, by the way, got swapfile working. thanks for all your help. DocScrutinizer helped me get it to work |
| 20:24.00 | LiL_mr-t | SpeedEvil: it was basically down to my stupidity (as you had already worked out!) |
| 20:24.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg |
| 20:34.11 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:34.43 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: ^^ |
| 20:35.26 | max_posedon | ))) |
| 20:35.43 | Chocky | yes, comedy |
| 20:36.22 | Chocky | 6 x lifesize! |
| 20:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535 |
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| 21:03.56 | slaxxer | fdisk -l /media/card ?? |
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| 21:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: ??? |
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| 21:16.38 | SeligArkin | DocScrutinizer: That cable one - do ou know how much one of those would cost to get to the US? Thats the kind I was trying to make, like the idea of allowing some distance. :P |
| 21:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: you should find those in US as well, for sure |
| 21:17.42 | Chocky | they all come from China :p |
| 21:17.54 | SeligArkin | Chocky: :P |
| 21:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArkin: also the female2female adapter you find on the photo is very handy, as you convert every simple standard USB-A-m--miniUSB-m cable to the f--mini-m type you want |
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| 21:43.53 | TeNoVi | Hi! I installed the latest testing release of shr, started pidgin and got sound. Now I have installed the latest unstable, and got no sound. I would like to have sound. How? |
| 21:52.38 | Ainulindale | TeNoVi: hmmm |
| 21:52.42 | Ainulindale | TeNoVi: did you install navit? |
| 21:52.46 | Ainulindale | Did you reboot? |
| 21:53.25 | TeNoVi | Ainulindale, I haven't installed navit. Pidgin ;) Yes I have rebooted |
| 21:53.54 | Ainulindale | TeNoVi: I'm asking that because known issue wrt speech-dispatcher, a navit dependency |
| 21:53.58 | Ainulindale | You don't have pidgin sounds then? |
| 21:54.59 | TeNoVi | Ainulindale, I added some sounds from amsn and configured them in the prefs.xml since I couldn't get the regular sounds working |
| 21:55.25 | Ainulindale | amsn? |
| 21:55.36 | Ainulindale | Why don't you use msn-pecan with pidgin? |
| 21:57.24 | TeNoVi | Ainulindale, Hmm. Haven't heard about msn-pecan, or just a little maybe |
| 21:57.35 | Ainulindale | well |
| 21:57.39 | Ainulindale | I packaged it for SHR a while ago |
| 21:57.44 | Ainulindale | It's installed as a default on full image |
| 21:57.56 | Ainulindale | As an alternative to the default MSN provider in libpurple |
| 21:58.01 | Ainulindale | As it's way better... |
| 21:58.11 | TeNoVi | hmm |
| 22:01.55 | TeNoVi | Ainulindale, Could msn-pecan get the sound to work you think? |
| 22:02.13 | Ainulindale | I don't think it's related |
| 22:02.21 | Ainulindale | I don't use pidgin myself anyways |
| 22:02.29 | TeNoVi | okey |
| 22:03.44 | Graf_Ithaka | cu@all |
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| 22:47.39 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5604 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0030.txt gta02-core.sch modem.sch): modem component references, most things looking pretty good now. |
| 22:52.33 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r44932ba654a8 10/fsousaged/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:52.33 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: add (optional) libpersistence support to improve restartability |
| 22:52.33 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: configure with --enable-persistence, if you want to enable this feature. |
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