| 00:11.51 | Graf_Ithaka | cu@all |
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| 01:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | ok, who was the one complaining about bash not executing .profile? Seems valaterm doesn't invoke bash as a login-shell. 'bash --interactive' seems to fix this for me |
| 01:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | err 'bash --login' of course |
| 01:17.17 | Daramarak | When I run iwlist scan on my FR I get the message that eth0 doesn't support scanning. Anyone got a clue why? |
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| 01:39.50 | ndnihil | Daramarak: you haven't enabled the device |
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| 02:24.26 | Daramarak | ndnihil: If you mean enabled as in turned it on. I have done that in the settings menu (SHR). |
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| 02:44.44 | ndnihil | I get that when I dont enable it before trying to scan |
| 02:44.51 | ndnihil | tried removing and reloading the module? |
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| 03:21.00 | tag8tag | hi |
| 03:21.57 | tag8tag | im trying to install shr on a gta-01, where must I extract the module in order to avoid the "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" error ? |
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| 04:13.24 | rvs1st | hi need help with my freerunner |
| 04:14.33 | ndnihil | just started opkg upgrade |
| 04:14.40 | ndnihil | wonder how this will|wont work |
| 04:14.58 | rvs1st | hi |
| 04:15.02 | ndnihil | howdy |
| 04:15.03 | rvs1st | hows ur phone doing |
| 04:15.14 | ndnihil | its good for now |
| 04:15.21 | ndnihil | but I could be breaking it |
| 04:15.30 | ndnihil | if so I'll just flash it again |
| 04:15.32 | rvs1st | why? |
| 04:15.57 | ndnihil | just doing an opkg upgrade |
| 04:16.00 | rvs1st | when u first got it could you even place a call? or you still have to upgrade it something else? |
| 04:16.16 | ndnihil | it worked just fine out of the box for me |
| 04:16.28 | rvs1st | still waiting for my phone to be shipped parisoma only has 2 phones left |
| 04:16.40 | ndnihil | ah |
| 04:16.46 | ndnihil | it'll work |
| 04:16.51 | rvs1st | what distro are you planning to use? |
| 04:16.52 | ndnihil | but you'll probably want to upgrade |
| 04:17.00 | ndnihil | I've been using shr-unstable |
| 04:17.27 | rvs1st | hmmm sounds new to me. . . any plans in porting debian on it? |
| 04:21.05 | ndnihil | debian is already available for it |
| 04:21.22 | ndnihil | I'll probably go that route eventually |
| 04:21.29 | ndnihil | I've got debian on everything else |
| 04:22.11 | rvs1st | cool... |
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| 04:28.05 | rvs1st | you have no problems in using your wifi? |
| 04:28.15 | ndnihil | quite the contrary |
| 04:28.19 | ndnihil | many problems with wifi |
| 04:28.22 | ndnihil | well |
| 04:28.28 | ndnihil | it works fine for open APs |
| 04:28.29 | ndnihil | once |
| 04:28.58 | ndnihil | but trying it twice will often lock the device up |
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| 04:29.15 | ndnihil | and connecting to protected APs just wont happen |
| 04:29.21 | ndnihil | not for me anyway |
| 04:29.27 | ndnihil | it's a hit or miss thing |
| 04:29.37 | ndnihil | some people get it to work, some dont |
| 04:29.53 | ndnihil | I think the wifi kernel module is buggy |
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| 04:38.27 | rvs1st | hmmm sounds strange |
| 04:38.39 | rvs1st | i thought it was all worked out... |
| 04:38.53 | rvs1st | hmm maybe upgrading it would fixed it? |
| 04:39.13 | ndnihil | dunno, that's what I'm trying now |
| 04:39.13 | rvs1st | or would it fix if you'll use a usb wifi card? |
| 04:39.35 | rvs1st | have you checked out www.ipwn.com |
| 04:39.38 | ndnihil | usb dongle would work, but be very inconvenient to carry around, and drain the battery |
| 04:40.10 | rvs1st | hmm |
| 04:40.17 | rvs1st | for wardrvng hee hee |
| 04:40.42 | ndnihil | kismet+gpsdrive is fine for wardriving |
| 04:40.54 | rvs1st | we better get those nokia batteries on thnksgvng |
| 04:41.07 | rvs1st | have u tried it on ur phone? |
| 04:41.29 | ndnihil | nope |
| 04:41.47 | ndnihil | if but for no other reason, the antenna on the cards in the laptop is far better |
| 04:42.30 | rvs1st | what about pdf? |
| 04:42.41 | ndnihil | ? |
| 04:42.52 | rvs1st | can u read pdf clearly? |
| 04:42.59 | ndnihil | oh, haven't tried |
| 04:43.10 | rvs1st | on the phone damn cant wait to get my hands drty |
| 04:43.32 | ndnihil | if you want to play videos, get the mplayer with glamo patch |
| 04:43.37 | rvs1st | ur familiar with backtrack? |
| 04:43.47 | ndnihil | nope |
| 04:43.54 | ndnihil | oh wait |
| 04:44.06 | ndnihil | that pentest dist/bootable cd? |
| 04:46.24 | rvs1st | yeah |
| 04:46.51 | ndnihil | tried it out once |
| 04:46.53 | ndnihil | seemed ok |
| 04:47.05 | rvs1st | i think someone ported most of the appz on the fone |
| 04:47.15 | rvs1st | selling his dstro for 99$ |
| 04:47.23 | ndnihil | but I dont see any reason to use that rather than just installing those tools on your normal dist |
| 04:47.48 | rvs1st | perhaps some issues with kernel |
| 04:48.02 | ndnihil | not really |
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| 04:49.06 | rvs1st | dunno why |
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| 05:38.29 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: have you tried the latest kernel with the patch applied? |
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| 05:39.48 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: looks like some other problem, probably with your u-boot env. |
| 05:40.45 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: which patch? |
| 05:41.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: Tarkovsky's "Stalker" is really different, the other mood/ideas completely. |
| 05:41.56 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: the one on the kernel ML, removes one "unnecessary" lin. |
| 05:42.34 | Undrwater | oh? :) |
| 05:42.35 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: i'm pushing it today since Werner's complaints are "resolved" and nobody gives any feedback. |
| 05:42.49 | PaulFertser | Screw that, ftw people complain so much about the wifi and nobody's tried it already? |
| 05:42.49 | Undrwater | i haven't been following |
| 05:43.37 | Undrwater | i'll try it...which is the kernel ML? |
| 05:44.11 | Undrwater | i didn't see it on the community ML, which seems to have more activity |
| 05:44.35 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-August/010494.html |
| 05:44.44 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: i mentioned it on community ML |
| 05:47.41 | Undrwater | ah...is there a kernel already built with that patch? |
| 05:48.31 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: hm |
| 05:49.09 | PaulFertser | I mean that's a stupid question, of course i have that (since i tested it) but my upload speed is very slow and so uploading modules will take ages. |
| 05:49.27 | Undrwater | :P |
| 05:49.51 | Undrwater | should be able to be hosted somewhere whre the kernels are typically found. |
| 05:50.07 | PaulFertser | But upload speed is the limiting factor |
| 05:50.39 | PaulFertser | It'd be easier to build it on shr buildhost. I just can't understand wtf there's so many users complaining and nobody's tried the patch already. |
| 05:51.48 | PaulFertser | Building the kernel is trivial. Considering one's done that already numerous times (and iirc back in the days, just 10 years ago, even when Linux was out of infacy already one still built the kernel himself) |
| 05:52.46 | Undrwater | i do that here...but i can't build a kernel for arm on my machine without cross compile or other setup, correct? |
| 05:53.21 | lindi- | PaulFertser: is that patch now an alternative to budfive's original wlan patch? |
| 05:53.44 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no, it's to solve others problem |
| 05:54.16 | PaulFertser | lindi-: budfive's patch is trying to bring some consistency to the driver. But it's not the way as i see it. |
| 05:54.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: rather ar6000_drv.c should be rewritten, i can't see how it can be fixable, the code is too messy :( |
| 05:55.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: my one-liner is just a bandaid to allow driver to properly function after unbind/bind (and i guess also suspend/resume). |
| 05:55.48 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: emdebian installs arm cross-compiler in a matter of minutes without any complex steps involved. |
| 05:56.22 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: is that liveCD or something installed? |
| 05:56.34 | Undrwater | nevermind...i'll look, thanks for the pointer |
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| 05:57.01 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: no, that's just a convenient way to crosscompile on Debian/ubuntu. |
| 05:57.17 | Undrwater | i'm on gentoo |
| 05:58.09 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: there it's easy too, with crossdev |
| 05:58.29 | Undrwater | ahh...OK |
| 05:58.43 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: for compiling the kernel even armv5 toolchain is ok, but you won't be able to compile properly Qi or other programs with it. |
| 05:59.18 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: unfortunately, i haven't found a way to build armv4-compatible toolchain with crossdev. Gentoo folks employed different hacks but no proper solution iirc. |
| 05:59.21 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: ping |
| 06:01.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i have a suspicion that with budfive's patch "ifconfig eth0 down" won't disable the device and hence you'll lose power. |
| 06:02.35 | lindi- | PaulFertser: is there any easy way to test that? |
| 06:04.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r5578 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO fped.c kicad.c postscript.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 06:04.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - postscript.c: added some code for frame display, but I'm not happy with it |
| 06:04.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - postscript.c: moved tedious "... maxfont maxfont ..." into new function |
| 06:04.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: "boxfont" |
| 06:04.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - postscript.c: "hcenter" was way off for diagonal text |
| 06:04.08 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - postscript.c: "realsize" didn't take into account the effect of rotation and |
| 06:04.10 | CIA-7 | openmoko: returned only the x component in the original coordinate system |
| 06:04.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: probably adding a printk to HTCStop to see if it's called or not can show that. OTOH if my guess that this function is responsible for turning off the device is incorrect, it doesn't help much. But i think the concept of changing wireless properties on a disabled interface is wrong from the beginning. |
| 06:04.57 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r5579 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile modules/mkloe): |
| 06:04.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - Makefile: use "make loe" instead of running mkloe directly, so that we can |
| 06:04.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: add local fancy stuff |
| 06:04.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/Makefile: shortcut for mkloe, Poscript handling, and cleanup |
| 06:04.58 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/mkloe: added -ps option to convert all modules to Postscript |
| 06:05.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: are you sure that's needed? On many cards i saw until you do "ifconfig blablabla up" you can't even initiate the scan. |
| 06:06.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i only know that budfive's patch "works for me" very well :) |
| 06:07.21 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ok, do i understand it right that your particular problem is that the driver crashes if you try to change any wireless property on an inactive interface? |
| 06:07.46 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no, the problem is that if I "ifconfig eth0 down" then I can not use wifi at all anymore |
| 06:08.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: that's not what your latest message on the ticket says |
| 06:08.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it says 'I can ifconfig up/down as many times as I want' |
| 06:09.41 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i meant the latest message describing the problem. With steps to reproduce, the last step is sudo iwconfig eth0 power off |
| 06:11.08 | lindi- | PaulFertser: well i was just looking for ways to crash it since crashes are much easier to analyze than "wifi does not work after foo" |
| 06:12.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ok, so you want me to try to "ifconfig down/up" several times and then to try to use wifi... |
| 06:12.24 | lindi- | PaulFertser: for example yes |
| 06:15.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: why do you consider this usecase important? |
| 06:15.42 | lindi- | PaulFertser: I stop wifi by doing 'ifdown eth0' |
| 06:15.49 | lindi- | PaulFertser: that does ifconfig eth0 down internally |
| 06:15.57 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sure |
| 06:16.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i propose to unbind the driver whenever it's to put down. |
| 06:16.17 | lindi- | also i've heard wicd does 'ifconfig eth0 down' |
| 06:18.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: proper power-saving is guaranteed only if you rmmod the module or at least unbind it. So whenever wifi is not used the user is supposed to do that, not ifconfig eth0 down. I agree it'd be nice to have it working that way too but is it really worth the trouble when you can simply unbinding/bind it? |
| 06:18.39 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and sure, i can reproduce that it doesn't work at all after ifconfig down. |
| 06:18.56 | lindi- | PaulFertser: well werner's comment is "unbind/bind did not solve the problem (!)" |
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| 06:19.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: having to patch all these programs to do unbind for the specific wifi driver is going to be tricky too |
| 06:19.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: without that one-liner it didn't, yes |
| 06:19.51 | lindi- | upstream surely won't take such fixes |
| 06:20.04 | PaulFertser | lindi-: why patching? I propose to simply wrap wpa_supplicant invocation. |
| 06:20.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: which upstream? |
| 06:20.13 | lindi- | PaulFertser: of wicd for example |
| 06:20.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser: or dhclient? any program that brings the interface up or down |
| 06:20.52 | lindi- | i'm not using wpa_supplicant in unencrypted networks |
| 06:21.03 | PaulFertser | lindi-: are you sure dhclient will bring the interface down if it's already up? |
| 06:21.22 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (not using wpa_supplicant for open nets) why? |
| 06:22.59 | lindi- | PaulFertser: one less process :) |
| 06:23.39 | lindi- | # IP address changed. Bringing down the interface will delete all routes, |
| 06:23.39 | lindi- | # and clear the ARP cache. |
| 06:23.39 | lindi- | ifconfig $interface inet 0 down |
| 06:23.43 | lindi- | from ifconfig sources |
| 06:23.50 | lindi- | from dhclient sources |
| 06:24.29 | Ke | why would one use wpa_supplicant for an open network |
| 06:25.16 | PaulFertser | Ke: for consistency and auto-configuration. |
| 06:27.54 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i've just tried, here dhclient didn't put the interface down after the first invocation, wifi still works... |
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| 06:30.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what about another proposal: revert 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 and declare we don't care about rfkill? |
| 06:35.48 | PaulFertser | lindi-: or what about using the driver of pre-rfkill times, 4836494d233cd34fe194ff2040d62e4109067d79 (also d5119bd8f7a606c9e05b022a703b9df7dcc14730 and some other minor fixes might be needed). |
| 06:37.09 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'm all in favor of fixing the driver properly but since nobody wants to spend enough time no it we have to compromise... |
| 06:44.06 | lindi- | PaulFertser: dhclient puts the interface down when the ip address changes |
| 06:44.11 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what's your lease time ? |
| 06:46.36 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i really don't know the internals |
| 06:46.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i just know that either using b8b36e5ec3db71d5 from january or using current andy-tracking with budfive's patch works for me (TM) :P |
| 06:47.00 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i agree that if the lease time is short the user will get in trouble. |
| 06:48.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: if you view "git log drivers/ar6000" you'll see how much of untested/wip code went there... |
| 06:51.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so what do you say about using the driver with 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 reverted? Probably it's the cleanest solution... Too bad Michael will be upset but hell, we're not guilty he's using non-standard stuff. |
| 06:52.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: well if it works then why not. again, i really don't understand the driver |
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| 06:52.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you think it's "ok" if we declare all rfkill-related races as WONTFIX then? |
| 06:52.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no idea, i have never used rfkill |
| 06:52.59 | lindi- | at least knowingly |
| 06:53.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: all i know is that Michael always reports those because he's android dev. |
| 06:53.20 | AlexC | Does anyone else get: "unable to enumerate USB device on port *" |
| 06:53.25 | AlexC | ? |
| 06:53.45 | PaulFertser | AlexC: when? |
| 06:54.01 | AlexC | when you connect your neo to a usb port |
| 06:54.04 | AlexC | in dmesg |
| 06:54.19 | AlexC | i can't connect to my neo because of it |
| 06:54.54 | PaulFertser | AlexC: are you doing something fancy? If not, check your cable/usb hub etc. |
| 06:55.12 | AlexC | nothing fancy |
| 06:55.17 | AlexC | internal hub |
| 06:55.26 | AlexC | standard cable from openmoko |
| 06:55.33 | AlexC | brand new neo |
| 06:55.42 | PaulFertser | AlexC: is the system fully booted? |
| 06:56.10 | AlexC | yes |
| 06:56.15 | PaulFertser | AlexC: try another cable please |
| 06:56.23 | AlexC | i'm rebooting with factory settings now |
| 06:56.27 | AlexC | i don't have another |
| 06:56.30 | PaulFertser | What's factory settings? |
| 06:56.41 | AlexC | system defaults |
| 06:56.51 | PaulFertser | AlexC: on FR? Are there any? |
| 06:57.01 | AlexC | for the os |
| 06:57.07 | AlexC | qtopia |
| 06:57.29 | AlexC | it came pre-installed |
| 06:57.47 | PaulFertser | AlexC: does dfu-util sees your device when you boot to NOR u-boot? |
| 06:58.34 | AlexC | what is dfu-util? |
| 06:58.52 | AlexC | and "NOR u-boot"? |
| 07:00.04 | PaulFertser | AlexC: read the wiki please |
| 07:00.32 | AlexC | which section? |
| 07:00.39 | PaulFertser | AlexC: booting freerunner |
| 07:00.45 | PaulFertser | AlexC: flashing freerunner |
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| 07:04.54 | AlexC | Okay i'm on nand boot menu |
| 07:05.14 | AlexC | which option do i select? |
| 07:06.16 | PaulFertser | AlexC: no option |
| 07:06.18 | AlexC | set console to usb |
| 07:06.22 | AlexC | oh |
| 07:06.24 | PaulFertser | AlexC: just connect to your host |
| 07:06.26 | AlexC | too late :/ |
| 07:06.30 | PaulFertser | AlexC: and see if it enumerates |
| 07:06.45 | PaulFertser | AlexC: the one you selected doesn't matter, connect it to host |
| 07:08.52 | AlexC | okay i connected, thankyou |
| 07:09.16 | PaulFertser | AlexC: so, since you device is brand-new i suggest you do the following: |
| 07:09.36 | PaulFertser | AlexC: upgrade your GSM firmware (GSM/Firmware wikipage). |
| 07:09.55 | PaulFertser | AlexC: then upgrade your NAND bootloader (to the latest u-boot or Qi, see the relevant wiki pages). |
| 07:10.21 | PaulFertser | AlexC: then choose some decent software and use it either by flashing to NAND or by loading from uSD. |
| 07:10.33 | AlexC | okay |
| 07:10.37 | AlexC | thanks for your help |
| 07:10.39 | AlexC | :) |
| 07:13.53 | PaulFertser | AlexC: (decent software) afaik you have a choice between an OE-based SHR unstable and Debian. Others are more exotic, you'll find out about them yourself. |
| 07:19.39 | Ke | debian is a bit unfinished even the installer breaks |
| 07:23.57 | PaulFertser | Ke: who cares? Installation by hand is simple enough. |
| 07:24.29 | Ke | simple yes, painful beyond description, yes |
| 07:25.26 | PaulFertser | Ke: why painful? I did it even before the installer supported Qi and it was the first system i installed on FR and the first debootstrap i did in my life. |
| 07:25.44 | Wonka | my debian install worked fine too |
| 07:25.56 | Wonka | no idea when that was |
| 07:26.16 | Ke | the debootstrap part is trivial, getting something to install with is not |
| 07:26.34 | Ke | you'll still need some other distro than debian to do this |
| 07:26.45 | Ke | and all the other infrastructure |
| 07:27.18 | PaulFertser | Ke: i used OM2007 that came pre-installed on my device, no changes made. |
| 07:27.35 | PaulFertser | Ke: or i could have used my laptop's cardreader with the same result. |
| 07:27.35 | Ke | gfy |
| 07:27.48 | Ke | with qemu perhaps |
| 07:27.54 | Ke | I have x86 laptop |
| 07:27.56 | PaulFertser | Ke: why qemu? |
| 07:28.02 | Ke | =oP |
| 07:28.16 | PaulFertser | Ke: why do you think it's necessary to run "native" to do debootstrap? |
| 07:28.35 | Ke | because you are? |
| 07:28.41 | Ke | there is foreign |
| 07:28.53 | Ke | but you'll still need to do the second stage |
| 07:29.26 | PaulFertser | Ke: can you already boot something after the first stage? |
| 07:29.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: not really |
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| 07:30.13 | lindi- | definitely not in the future when there will be initramfs |
| 07:30.24 | lindi- | (that won't get built until you do second stage) |
| 07:30.25 | PaulFertser | Ke: well, anyway even OM2007 was enough to install Debian without much trouble. |
| 07:30.27 | Ke | PaulFertser: anyways I probably made some silly choices, but all of those choises were quite the norm on other platforms |
| 07:31.10 | Ke | like using wlan instead of usb |
| 07:31.26 | Ke | which had to be fixed |
| 07:33.47 | Ke | om2009 autosuspends => had to be fixed |
| 07:34.12 | Ke | om2007 has no proper terminal/keyboard trivially available |
| 07:35.10 | Ke | I guess debian is trivial, once you are well off with anything else |
| 07:36.07 | PaulFertser | Ke: i used ssh over usb, connected to om2007 without issues etc. |
| 07:36.32 | Ke | still wlan should have worked |
| 07:37.46 | Ke | PaulFertser: so you tried installing debian just as you got the device with no prior experience on openmoko? |
| 07:38.09 | PaulFertser | Ke: basically yes |
| 07:38.13 | Ke | ok |
| 07:38.17 | PaulFertser | Ke: other than reading the community ml for some time |
| 07:38.24 | Ke | =oP |
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| 07:39.02 | Ke | I tried the install expecting things to work as documented (or assumed from properly working platforms) |
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| 07:39.47 | PaulFertser | Ke: i knew that install doesn't support Qi so i didn't have any false hopes. |
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| 08:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (stalker vs roadside-picnic) hmm, I don't think the diffs are so much more significant than with any other movie based on a book |
| 08:55.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: sucky movies are closely following books but it doesn't make sense usually. But have you read the book to compare with Stalker movie? |
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| 08:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | loong long time ago, yes |
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| 08:56.48 | PaulFertser | It's just really-really different |
| 08:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | I should get me the book to re-read |
| 08:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | for sure always worth it |
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| 10:43.19 | naeg | what's again the name of this tiny X which SHR uses? |
| 10:43.30 | Ke | kdrive? |
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| 10:45.07 | naeg | Ke: yeah, thanks :) |
| 10:45.13 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes, kdrive but it's deprecated, everybody's adviced to use x.org now |
| 10:45.47 | naeg | we use x.org anyway |
| 10:46.01 | naeg | but i thought we could provide both, but if you say it's not a good idea |
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| 10:48.32 | PaulFertser | naeg: btw, i'm still puzzled why my right-click hack didn't work for you |
| 10:49.59 | PaulFertser | naeg: kdrive is reallyreally dead by now. Probably some barely supported device like iPAQ hx4700 still needs it but not gta01 or gta02. Some kdrive features are "ported" to X.org already and upstream deprecated kdrive several years ago. |
| 10:50.32 | naeg | PaulFertser: i will open a ticket at our site, may the others like it the way you are doing it and then i will come back to you ;) |
| 10:51.07 | PaulFertser | naeg: but have you already tried it yourself? It definetely worked here. And i can try on my host it too. There's just no reason for it to not work ;) |
| 10:51.44 | PaulFertser | naeg: i know there was some nice panel applet in GPE to do something like that but it's unsupported by now. |
| 10:52.28 | PaulFertser | naeg: i guess either something like that should be employed or for those who prefer "long" click to simulate the right button a tslib modification can be done. |
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| 10:53.30 | naeg | PaulFertser: i don't think that tslib modification is the right thing for us, since we support more than one device and may someone else takes any other driver, we don't force anything, you know ;) |
| 10:53.51 | naeg | so a kernel/x.org thing would be better |
| 10:53.59 | naeg | but i have to talk to the others anyway |
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| 10:54.44 | PaulFertser | naeg: simulating right click inside the kernel? Hm, not sure. |
| 10:55.06 | PaulFertser | naeg: same with X server, probably even more weird idea. |
| 10:56.08 | naeg | PaulFertser: it would be also much effort to find it our for every driver |
| 10:57.03 | PaulFertser | naeg: tslib solution is generic enough |
| 10:57.27 | PaulFertser | naeg: my hack or a good application like GPE's would be too |
| 10:58.01 | naeg | PaulFertser: but as i said, maybe not all are using tslib |
| 10:58.12 | naeg | then we need to find it out for all drivers |
| 10:58.32 | PaulFertser | naeg: all drivers of what? Touchscreens? Why can a touchscreen driver not use tslib? |
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| 11:00.21 | PaulFertser | naeg: also what is "other drivers" anyway? Touchscreen is exposed by kernel in a generic standard way. Like an input device. With EV_SYN EV_KEY EV_ABS capabilities. |
| 11:00.55 | naeg | PaulFertser: i can't name one now, but there are others, i am quite sure |
| 11:01.19 | PaulFertser | naeg: others drivers for touchscreen? |
| 11:02.22 | naeg | PaulFertser: evtouch |
| 11:02.24 | PaulFertser | naeg: kernel-level or X-level? Or what? Or is that some non-X FB-only stuff that uses kernel interface but not tslib that you want to support? |
| 11:03.21 | naeg | we want to support everything with an arm processor ;) |
| 11:03.46 | naeg | but non-X things like qtmoko can also use tslib |
| 11:03.59 | PaulFertser | naeg: (everything with arm) even arm7? :-O |
| 11:04.15 | naeg | PaulFertser: we even plan to make repos for every armv* |
| 11:04.34 | naeg | but at first there must be people who need it ;) |
| 11:05.02 | naeg | the openmoko neofreerunner is our main device, but we support atm beagleboard and nokia n8*0 as well |
| 11:05.12 | PaulFertser | naeg: so what about arm7? |
| 11:05.38 | naeg | well, armv4 optimized works on there too, doesn't it? |
| 11:05.48 | PaulFertser | naeg: those chips lack MMU |
| 11:06.31 | naeg | well, then they aren't supported yet |
| 11:06.58 | naeg | but would this be solved by compiling everthing again but optimized for armv7? |
| 11:07.41 | naeg | "porting" from armvX to armvY shouldn't be as hard as x86 to arm |
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| 11:09.01 | PaulFertser | naeg: you clearly have no idea about noMMU :( |
| 11:10.54 | naeg | i don't get why the devs should say "armv7 need no MMU" |
| 11:11.10 | naeg | needs* |
| 11:11.23 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.32 | SpeedEvil | Many apps don't need it |
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| 11:12.00 | naeg | but why only armv7? does armv9 lack mmu also? |
| 11:13.20 | PaulFertser | naeg: i'm not talking about "armv7", i'm talking about arm7 |
| 11:14.44 | naeg | ahhh, this changes the situation ;) |
| 11:15.21 | naeg | we just talked about supporting armv4-armv9, since these are the only ones we had to work with yet |
| 11:15.43 | naeg | but not that much people want to use it yet, since we don't have that much to offer yet |
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| 11:19.00 | Graf_Ithaka | hi there :) |
| 11:21.10 | naeg | arm7 is in the nintendo gameboys, isnt it? |
| 11:24.32 | Daramarak | Using mokonnect on my newly flashed phone just hung the whole phone. |
| 11:24.58 | Daramarak | Inserting the usb-kable made it go into kernel panic. |
| 11:25.40 | Daramarak | Is that a feature? ;) |
| 11:28.23 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5580 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/wm3236aq.lib wlan.sch): WLAN fixes (refs and chip symbol) |
| 11:28.41 | max_posedon | Daramarak, you should use more recent distros |
| 11:29.09 | Daramarak | max_posedon: Like the SHR-unstable from 16 aug? |
| 11:29.12 | max_posedon | this bug was fixed some time ago (kernel panic when connecting usb to windows) |
| 11:29.37 | max_posedon | hm... shr-unstable from 16 aug should work. |
| 11:30.06 | Daramarak | max_posedon: Yes thought so. But this was probably connected to the mokonnect hanging. |
| 11:31.19 | Daramarak | max_posedon: Otherwise I can connect and disconnect the usb as much as I like. |
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| 11:38.27 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5581 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/STATUS components/mm8430-2610.lib): New component CON8001 (mm8430-2610) |
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| 11:42.37 | naeg | PaulFertser: did you try this xmodmap thing under e17? |
| 11:43.01 | PaulFertser | naeg: no, only with matchbox-wm. |
| 11:43.18 | naeg | i tried it under e17...i will give it a try with fluxbox |
| 11:43.20 | PaulFertser | naeg: can you tell me if "xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 1'" works for you at all? |
| 11:43.32 | PaulFertser | naeg: there shouldn't be any wm-related differences. |
| 11:43.47 | naeg | but i am not sure if where i can rightclick under illlume |
| 11:43.49 | naeg | -l |
| 11:43.58 | naeg | -if |
| 11:44.01 | naeg | o.O |
| 11:44.15 | PaulFertser | naeg: start xterm, there you'll see if it's right click or left click. |
| 11:44.53 | naeg | i tried to rightclick in xterm, afair |
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| 11:47.23 | naeg | PaulFertser: is matchbox fingerfriendly, or do you use something to touch? |
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| 11:50.50 | PaulFertser | naeg: i don't remember, i'm using illume currently. |
| 11:51.29 | PaulFertser | naeg: iirc matchbox was finger-nail-almost-acceptable |
| 11:51.49 | naeg | PaulFertser: do you rightclick there? seems like i deleted your scripts :( or at least i can't find them, sry. can you tell me it once more? |
| 11:53.06 | naeg | no ok, its in the logs |
| 11:57.10 | naeg | PaulFertser: seems not to work in fluxbox too |
| 11:58.12 | Daramarak | I seem to be able to reproduce the mokonnect hanging too. |
| 11:58.35 | Daramarak | Is it just me or has the Wifi become more and more unstable lately? |
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| 12:02.21 | naeg | xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 1' works |
| 12:04.38 | naeg | i know why now, waitclick doesn't work, it changes the buttons and before i do anything it changes them again |
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| 12:05.04 | PaulFertser | naeg: are you using waitclick exactly the way i did? ;) |
| 12:05.41 | naeg | PaulFertser: yes, but i think i don't have input-event |
| 12:06.01 | PaulFertser | naeg: aha, that makes difference indeed. I got it with input-utils from debian. |
| 12:07.17 | naeg | well we don't have that packaged yet, nor xev |
| 12:07.45 | naeg | any other way to do it? or do i have topackage input-utils |
| 12:12.53 | naeg | PaulFertser: other dev showed intertest in your rightclick script, but he want to use it when e.g. pressing AUX |
| 12:16.10 | PaulFertser | naeg: xev and input-utils are very handy to have |
| 12:16.54 | PaulFertser | naeg: no problem in binding it to AUX... |
| 12:17.51 | naeg | PaulFertser: i will at first package patched tslib with rightclick emulation, then i will package xev and try to get the script working, then binding keys...power button isn't binded also |
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| 13:06.28 | PaulFertser | naeg: looks like evtouch has ONEANDAHALFTAP which simulates right click. |
| 13:08.16 | SpeedEvil | wonders about a ring containing an accellerometer for morse input. |
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| 13:11.52 | naeg | PaulFertser: ONEANDHALFTAP? |
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| 13:13.10 | PaulFertser | naeg: http://www.conan.de/touchscreen/libtouch.html |
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| 13:19.56 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5583 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/STATUS components/wte06016.lib): Add ANT8001 (WTE06016) |
| 13:20.14 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5584 10/trunk/gta02-core/wlan.sch: Add antenna and small fixes |
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| 13:24.28 | naeg | PaulFertser: thx, will packge evtouch too to test it |
| 13:27.44 | PaulFertser | naeg: hm, it's what you give me as an example of TS driver that doesn't use tslib. |
| 13:27.47 | PaulFertser | naeg: ;) |
| 13:28.47 | naeg | yeah, but i just googled "linux touchscreen driver" to find any other tsdriver ;) |
| 13:29.04 | naeg | we are a good team ;) |
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| 13:36.04 | m_abs | I've a problem with my FR running SHR unstable after an update. In settings I'm missing some options because "fso or ophonekitd" isn't running. I would prefer if this could be fixed without flashing the device again. |
| 13:37.47 | m_abs | When I try to start ophonekitd manually, it looks like the service-script just stops, since I get no status (ok/fail) after the command. |
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| 13:42.30 | tag8tag | hi |
| 13:42.45 | tag8tag | im trying to install shr on a gta-01, where must I extract the modules in order to avoid the "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" error ? |
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| 14:12.25 | panicking | Hi all |
| 14:12.27 | panicking | :) |
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| 14:28.35 | m_abs | hi |
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| 14:35.43 | ajvogel | Does anyone know why after an opkg upgrade some of the packages are still listed under opkg list_upgradable? |
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| 14:55.31 | Daramarak | Have anyone started on a "screensaver" that displays phonestatus as a marqee or something like that? |
| 14:55.56 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: having the display on uses lots of power |
| 14:56.55 | Daramarak | SpeedEvil: Yes but when I am at work or am home the phone is "docked". Then it would be nice if it just displayed information for me. |
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| 15:01.30 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 16:33.53 | lanjoe9 | hi :) |
| 16:34.15 | lanjoe9 | I'm new to OpenMoko, and the enlightenment WM is giving me a hard time |
| 16:34.54 | lanjoe9 | every now and then I have to power off the phone by removing the battery because of unresponsiveness. |
| 16:35.31 | lanjoe9 | as a result, some settings in enlightenment seem to get corrupted and afterwards I am unable to start it again |
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| 16:36.10 | lanjoe9 | (I keep getting the "Enlightenment error - This is very bad, Enlightenment SEGV'd") |
| 16:36.31 | Zorkman | lanjoe9: remove your e directory |
| 16:36.40 | lanjoe9 | mm |
| 16:36.43 | lanjoe9 | where is it? |
| 16:36.53 | lanjoe9 | ah I see |
| 16:36.54 | lanjoe9 | .e ? |
| 16:36.59 | Zorkman | yes |
| 16:37.03 | lanjoe9 | ok!! |
| 16:37.25 | Zorkman | rm -rf ~/.e/e/config maybe is enough |
| 16:37.26 | Zorkman | don't know |
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| 16:38.16 | lanjoe9 | haha |
| 16:38.24 | lanjoe9 | ok, I'll try it next time :) |
| 16:38.31 | lanjoe9 | thanks a lot, it's working again |
| 16:38.47 | Zorkman | np, that's why we are here |
| 16:39.03 | lanjoe9 | previously I ended up reflashing :P |
| 16:39.16 | lanjoe9 | mm |
| 16:39.19 | Zorkman | what distro are you using? |
| 16:39.25 | lanjoe9 | SHR-unstable |
| 16:39.45 | Zorkman | i haven't reflashed my shr-unstabe for months now! :) |
| 16:39.47 | lanjoe9 | I've tried a SHR-testing, OM2009 and android |
| 16:39.49 | mwester | :) "-unstable" should give you a clue about what to expect! |
| 16:40.05 | lanjoe9 | mwester: so far it seems more stable than -testing xD |
| 16:40.40 | mwester | Yes, indeed - but it is nowhere near a production or even beta or alpha quality. |
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| 16:40.57 | mwester | Still, it's far far better than any other distro for the device. |
| 16:41.04 | lanjoe9 | mwester: precisely |
| 16:41.06 | lanjoe9 | :P |
| 16:41.53 | lanjoe9 | any wi fi config manager you would recommend me? I've tried mokonnect and mofi |
| 16:42.08 | ndnihil | NWA can be nice when it works |
| 16:42.24 | ndnihil | (for wifi) |
| 16:42.42 | lanjoe9 | thanks ndnihil, I'll give it a try |
| 16:42.47 | ndnihil | doesnt seem to be too fond of avahi though |
| 16:42.57 | ndnihil | (is anything fond of avahi?) |
| 16:43.06 | lanjoe9 | :) |
| 16:43.16 | ndnihil | it takes one of the local/tmp/private addresses from avahi and considers itself done |
| 16:43.29 | ndnihil | but fuck avahi |
| 16:43.37 | ndnihil | I disabled it |
| 16:44.54 | lanjoe9 | :) |
| 16:45.10 | PaulFertser | mwester: Hey :D |
| 16:45.45 | PaulFertser | lanjoe9: i'd recommend editing wpa_supplicant with vim, works for open/WEP/WPA networks |
| 16:47.04 | ndnihil | it does not! |
| 16:47.14 | ndnihil | not for me anyway |
| 16:47.17 | lanjoe9 | PaulFertser: I've had mixed results :P |
| 16:47.39 | ndnihil | doing an opkg upgrade in hopes of addressing that |
| 16:48.09 | lanjoe9 | so far the best for me has been scripts with iwconfig and ifconfig :P |
| 16:48.27 | Zorkman | I never tested mococonnect, but thought that one worked quite fine, no? |
| 16:48.41 | SeligArkin | rather likes wpa_supplicant and ifup/down on her debian install, I enjoy being able to specify what to do for different access points, when at home, I can tell it to poke my laptop to show notices on it when a phone call comes in instead of ringing, or some such (Just a idea now, nowhere near ready to implement. :P) |
| 16:48.42 | lanjoe9 | Zorkman: not with my wireless network :S |
| 16:49.29 | lanjoe9 | Zorkman: it usually seems to connect, but it picks some funky IP address instead of using dhcp |
| 16:49.48 | ndnihil | lanjoe9: that could be avahi |
| 16:49.53 | Daramarak | I was quite happy with wpa_supplicant, but I dislike having to editing my supplicant file each time I have a new network to add/remove. |
| 16:50.06 | naeg | am i the only one who hates opkg... -.- |
| 16:50.08 | Zorkman | I have little knowlegde about it, but it seems damn strange that those things don't "just work" :) |
| 16:50.15 | ndnihil | naeg: no, you are most certainly not the only one |
| 16:50.26 | Zorkman | naeg: everybody does :) |
| 16:50.27 | SeligArkin | Daramarak: not specifying the ssid makes it connect to anything available, I beleive |
| 16:50.39 | naeg | try ArchMobile! we use pacman : DDD |
| 16:50.48 | lanjoe9 | :) |
| 16:50.54 | naeg | probably the best packetmanager |
| 16:50.58 | Daramarak | SeligArkin: Except wpa and weps |
| 16:50.59 | ndnihil | I would be 100% ok with apt |
| 16:51.02 | SeligArkin | waka waka waka waka waka. >.> |
| 16:51.25 | lanjoe9 | is playing with openMooCow |
| 16:51.27 | lanjoe9 | :P |
| 16:51.30 | SeligArkin | Daramarak: I beleive there is a frontend to do this. :P |
| 16:51.39 | ndnihil | lanjoe9: that was amusing for all of 3 minutes :) |
| 16:51.59 | Zorkman | openvibe gives much more pleasure ;-) |
| 16:52.03 | ndnihil | and that was probably because it took me 2.5 minutes to find someone to show |
| 16:52.10 | Daramarak | SeligArkin: What is the frontend called? |
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| 16:52.26 | SeligArkin | Daramarak: I am afraid I don't remember, sorry. :/ |
| 16:52.41 | naeg | can i somehow configure opkg that i don't have to type in the version of packages? |
| 16:52.47 | SeligArkin | gentoo pulls it in with the gtk flag IIRC |
| 16:53.00 | ndnihil | you have to type in version of package? |
| 16:53.12 | ndnihil | here it defaults to latest |
| 16:53.30 | lanjoe9 | naeg: same here, no version needed |
| 16:53.37 | naeg | i think so, if i do for example opkg install anything it loads and loads...if i do opkg install anything-0.1 it installs in a few seconds |
| 16:54.00 | lanjoe9 | mm |
| 16:54.08 | SpeedEvil | http://www.usenix.org/event/hotos09/tech/full_papers/saxena/saxena_html/ - a paper on swapping to flash - and the performance benefits of going with a new swap subsystem for flash. |
| 16:54.10 | ndnihil | you're probably just saving it from having to search through the repos to find latest |
| 16:54.13 | Daramarak | What would have been cool would be to have a big set of standard essids and passwords. Many times I find hotspots where the router/access points still have the default security. |
| 16:54.16 | naeg | severak times that i noticed that |
| 16:54.22 | naeg | several* |
| 16:54.44 | ndnihil | wow |
| 16:54.47 | naeg | ndnihil: but if this takes so long, opkg really sux |
| 16:54.50 | ndnihil | opkg upgrades the kernel in flash |
| 16:55.02 | ndnihil | yes, opkg does really suck |
| 16:55.17 | ndnihil | but what you're experiencing is likely lack of resources on the phone |
| 16:55.23 | ndnihil | apt is just as slow |
| 16:55.34 | naeg | i can't complain with pacman |
| 16:55.43 | ndnihil | so use pacman on your phone |
| 16:56.09 | naeg | i do, but our system is not usable as daily phone |
| 16:56.22 | naeg | better say only with qtmoko, but then i prefer shr |
| 16:56.24 | ndnihil | make it useable, or suffer with the rest of us :) |
| 16:56.33 | naeg | i am working on it |
| 16:56.42 | naeg | we are* |
| 16:56.52 | ndnihil | hrm, opkg upgrade just finished, wonder if this will boot |
| 16:57.04 | Daramarak | But still opkg is better than having to deliver the phone back to the reseller to have it upgraded :) |
| 16:57.25 | ndnihil | Daramarak: I stopped doing that long ago ;) |
| 16:57.27 | naeg | /sign |
| 16:57.50 | SeligArkin | /poster |
| 16:57.55 | naeg | /tits |
| 16:58.02 | naeg | oh noes :( |
| 16:58.30 | SeligArkin | should work on her |
| 16:58.32 | SeligArkin | erm |
| 16:58.41 | SeligArkin | should work on her phone frontend thingy-ma-whatsit |
| 16:58.59 | naeg | ? |
| 16:59.12 | SpeedEvil | SeligArkin: What's it like? |
| 16:59.22 | SpeedEvil | SeligArkin: in the dim and distant future when it's completed. |
| 16:59.55 | SeligArkin | SpeedEvil: still designing it as I go along, I work on minimal information to get what I need. >.> |
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| 17:02.17 | naeg | well i am offline for a while cu all |
| 17:02.23 | naeg | and thanks again PaulFertser |
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| 17:02.52 | PaulFertser | naeg: luck :) |
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| 17:11.16 | pa4wdh | Hi All, Anyone able to help with some uboot trouble ? |
| 17:14.57 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: yes, install Qi ;) |
| 17:15.16 | pa4wdh | LOL :-) |
| 17:15.35 | pa4wdh | Does Qi already boot from SDHC ? |
| 17:17.44 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: almost always did |
| 17:18.18 | pa4wdh | Oh, ok, i thought i found somewhere that it didn't .... |
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| 17:19.01 | pa4wdh | uboot itself seems to work, but the host PC doesn't see the ACM deviec when i boot from NAND, NOR version works fine |
| 17:20.25 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: you need to do some "set console to usb" option |
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| 17:21.21 | pa4wdh | Sorry, even that doesn't work. Host sees a new USB device connecting but the ACM driver seems to ignore it |
| 17:21.47 | pa4wdh | Just found a page about Qi, it indeed boots from a SD, so i'll try that :-) |
| 17:25.29 | pa4wdh | Qi looks quite easy to setup :-) |
| 17:25.46 | Daramarak | Anyone got vagalume to work on SHR-unstable? |
| 17:26.03 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: it is, and more easier to manage, no chances to screw one's environment. |
| 17:26.14 | Daramarak | I just get an "Error initializing audio system" |
| 17:28.10 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: do you have bass fix applied btw? |
| 17:28.19 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: and why vagalume and not intone? |
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| 17:29.21 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: did you install vagalume from the repos? |
| 17:30.14 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: yes i did |
| 17:30.28 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: But no bassfix yet though |
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| 17:30.57 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I have intone, it works fine. I wanted to have a look at vagalume though. |
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| 17:33.42 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: no idea then... |
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| 17:42.35 | pa4wdh | PaulFertser: Thanks for your help, my freerunner is now booting it's fresh gentoo install from SD :-) |
| 17:43.58 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: wow, congratulations |
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| 17:45.25 | pa4wdh | Next problem: usb networking doesn't start in gentoo :-( |
| 17:46.04 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: is g_ether loaded? |
| 17:46.36 | pa4wdh | I copied the kernel+modules from 2008.12, so that should work, booting from NAND now to fix :-) |
| 17:47.12 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: OM2008.12? bad idea |
| 17:47.34 | pa4wdh | Yeah, i know, but it was enough to get gentoo going :-) |
| 17:47.46 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: you should have used the latest from SHR unstable (for reliable wifi you need to have 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 reverted) |
| 17:49.14 | pa4wdh | Maybe i'll flash shr into it later :-) When i rebooted to om2008.12 usb networking did work there either, while it did before |
| 17:49.18 | max_posedon1 | pa4wdh, I suggest copy kernel and modules from shr-unstable |
| 17:50.06 | max_posedon1 | and check that your host have all drivers |
| 17:50.28 | pa4wdh | Ok, i'll try that, but first i need usb networking to get anything done there :-) |
| 17:51.23 | pa4wdh | *phew* .... stupid firewalls blocking ping fooled me :-) |
| 17:51.49 | pa4wdh | Is there any kernel available which doesn't use modules ? |
| 17:53.29 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: only the one you compile yourself from "moredrivers" defconfig |
| 17:53.30 | pa4wdh | Just the most recent kernel from here ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
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| 17:54.06 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: yes |
| 17:54.07 | pa4wdh | Thanks PaulFertser ... i'll try compiling later |
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| 18:05.20 | pa4wdh | PaulFertser: Still no luck with g_ether, see if i can force it to load via some config file ... |
| 18:11.05 | max_posedon | g_ether in Gentoo should be forced preloaded yes |
| 18:11.16 | max_posedon | most easy way - in some init.d script |
| 18:11.43 | max_posedon | but I suggest just compile kernel yourself |
| 18:12.16 | pa4wdh | Thanks max_posedon. Now booting from NAND to modify :-) |
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| 18:12.35 | lindi- | max_posedon: doesn't gentoo have something like /etc/modules?= |
| 18:12.42 | max_posedon | it have |
| 18:12.43 | breeze | does ticket #1024 is fixed in A6 |
| 18:13.06 | breeze | oscillating GSM |
| 18:13.33 | PaulFertser | breeze: no |
| 18:13.37 | PaulFertser | breeze: not even in A7 |
| 18:13.50 | breeze | so whats the solution for it |
| 18:14.09 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: (compile in suggestion) what about using other usb gadget drivers? |
| 18:14.20 | PaulFertser | breeze: replace one easily-accessible capacitor |
| 18:14.23 | breeze | or does it happen very frequently |
| 18:14.31 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, what about step-by-step way? |
| 18:14.47 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: what way? |
| 18:15.11 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: Should i use /etc/modules.autoload.d/ or /etc/conf.d/modules ? |
| 18:15.32 | lindi- | easily-accessible? hrmph |
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| 18:16.08 | max_posedon | pa4wdh, 2nd one |
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| 18:17.02 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, step-by-step, e.g. don't fix all problems in one time) |
| 18:18.18 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i thought you've tried the unbinding method and wanted to declare it as a good substitute for "rmmod g_ether". |
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| 18:25.11 | naeg | hi again |
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| 18:27.40 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: now my "ethernet" device on the host changed from usb0 to eth4, is there any method to force it to use usb0 ? |
| 18:27.58 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: using usb0 would be wrong! |
| 18:28.08 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: ethX is correct |
| 18:28.11 | max_posedon | pa4wdh, thereis, but are you sure that you want? |
| 18:28.53 | max_posedon | you may even have neo0 if you want) |
| 18:29.11 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: My freerunner is connected to a router, everything is configured for usb0, and usb0 had a nice relation to he hardware :-) |
| 18:29.25 | max_posedon | pa4wdh, look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 18:30.18 | max_posedon | but plz, don't return to us with network problems with usb0 name |
| 18:31.02 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: usb ethernet is not yet listed there, any suggestion for a rule ? |
| 18:32.13 | max_posedon | you see there smth for eth4 |
| 18:32.20 | max_posedon | just edit this line |
| 18:32.46 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: No, just eth0-3 which are the normal ethernet ports |
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| 18:34.04 | max_posedon | after attaching neo, udev create some rule |
| 18:34.15 | max_posedon | after rule created, it can be edited |
| 18:35.19 | pa4wdh | No, sorry, it doesn't happen ... could be due to the very limited environment in the router |
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| 18:36.17 | pa4wdh | That's it, it's missing the udev file which generates the persistent net rules ... |
| 18:36.54 | max_posedon | its not a hard add your specific rule |
| 18:37.08 | max_posedon | if you have 4 examples) |
| 18:37.54 | pa4wdh | That's true, but i'm not really a udev hero :-) |
| 18:39.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r5585 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/mkloe: (log message trimmed) |
| 18:39.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/mkloe: added -one-ps option to convert all modules to a combined |
| 18:39.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Postscript file |
| 18:39.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/mkloe: added -one-pdf option to convert all modules to a combined |
| 18:39.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Postscript file |
| 18:39.52 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/mkloe: accept --option as well as -option |
| 18:39.56 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - modules/Makefile: added "make gen" to generate combined Postscript and PDF |
| 18:40.01 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: but you have examples handy ;) |
| 18:43.20 | pa4wdh | PaulFertser: It worked :-) Indeed i copied a line, changed mac address and the name and it works :-) |
| 18:43.38 | pa4wdh | I can reach my openmoko too :-) |
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| 18:52.57 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: I'm about to start a xorg-server emerge, which video driver should i use ? |
| 18:54.52 | max_posedon | I suggest start from fbdev, later switch to xf86-videl-glamo |
| 18:55.14 | max_posedon | I'm now working on ebuilds for drm-aware glamo |
| 18:55.26 | lindi- | max_posedon: kms-based? |
| 18:55.33 | max_posedon | yes |
| 18:55.41 | pa4wdh | Thanks |
| 18:56.21 | max_posedon | I still need somebody who can answer my questions, but still... |
| 18:57.12 | pa4wdh | What's your questions ? |
| 18:57.18 | max_posedon | lindi-, btw, since you are in changelog |
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| 18:57.37 | max_posedon | as I understand libdrm is unneed if I use drm kernel branch? |
| 18:58.13 | max_posedon | Weiss, ? |
| 18:58.40 | pa4wdh | Sounds like a question i don't know the answer for .... |
| 18:59.55 | pa4wdh | It sounds logical to use drm in the kernel *or* libdrm .... |
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| 19:00.27 | Wonka | or to use libdrm to access the kernel drm module |
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| 19:00.42 | max_posedon | pa4wdh, some opinion here, but, I want confirm |
| 19:01.09 | max_posedon | also it might be that libdrm or kernel doesn't implemented in same quility |
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| 19:01.27 | aj_ | hellp? |
| 19:01.35 | Wonka | pointer to hell? |
| 19:01.53 | aj_ | huh? |
| 19:02.38 | Wonka | "hell"+"p" |
| 19:02.51 | aj_ | i'm trying to build openmoko for the palm tx, from scratch, but I keep getting bitbake error 1, and a message saying "do not use bitbake for root" |
| 19:02.53 | Wonka | like charp, ... |
| 19:02.53 | lindi- | max_posedon: i haven't been following kms stuff very closely yet |
| 19:02.55 | pa4wdh | max_posedon: Maybe you can find the answer on lkml ? |
| 19:03.04 | lindi- | max_posedon: or drm |
| 19:03.36 | max_posedon | aj_, so, what about read error message? |
| 19:03.48 | aj_ | I can make setup fine |
| 19:03.53 | pa4wdh | However, i have to go. Thanks for all the support, especially max_posedon and PaulFertser |
| 19:04.22 | aj_ | but make fso-gta02-testing-image fails |
| 19:04.25 | naeg | np, you are welcome :) |
| 19:04.27 | PaulFertser | pa4wdh: welcome. See you |
| 19:04.29 | max_posedon | aj_, I'm sure you can, but can you read error message?) |
| 19:04.48 | aj_ | error message --> Do not use Bitbake as root. |
| 19:04.48 | aj_ | make[1]: *** [image] Error 1 |
| 19:04.48 | aj_ | make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/moko/fso-testing' |
| 19:04.48 | aj_ | make: *** [fso-gta02-testing-image] Error 2 |
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| 19:05.12 | naeg | doesnt the first line tell everything aj_ |
| 19:05.16 | max_posedon | aj_, sorry, what is your native language? may be you need translation for |
| 19:05.24 | max_posedon | "Do not use bitbake as root"? |
| 19:05.26 | aj_ | english |
| 19:05.33 | aj_ | that's what terminal spits out |
| 19:05.37 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: lol |
| 19:05.44 | tschaka | aj_ try to not run it as root :) |
| 19:05.53 | aj_ | k hold on |
| 19:10.36 | breeze | does GSM Buzz results in low call volume |
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| 19:11.44 | aj_ | now error --> /bin/sh: cannot create conf/topdir.conf: Permission denied |
| 19:11.44 | aj_ | make[1]: *** [create-topdir] Error 2 |
| 19:11.44 | aj_ | make[1]: Target `image' not remade because of errors. |
| 19:11.44 | aj_ | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/aj/moko/fso-testing' |
| 19:11.44 | aj_ | make: *** [fso-gta02-testing-image] Error 2 |
| 19:12.22 | tschaka | aj_ mabye coz u ran setup and all the other stuff as root, and now the next step has no permissions to the folder. just a rough guess... |
| 19:12.52 | aj_ | i forgot to svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.8 |
| 19:12.55 | PaulFertser | aj_: looks like you're not really ready to be an SHR developer... |
| 19:13.04 | aj_ | i'm trying |
| 19:13.14 | PaulFertser | aj_: bitbake is not in svn anymore iirc |
| 19:13.21 | PaulFertser | aj_: just use the SHRMakefile method |
| 19:13.32 | aj_ | which is what? |
| 19:14.45 | PaulFertser | aj_: the one mentioned at Building SHR wiki page at shr-project.org |
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| 19:15.34 | max_posedon | aj_, now do chown -R aj:aj /home/aj/moko |
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| 19:16.36 | aj_ | wow |
| 19:16.40 | aj_ | lotsa output |
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| 19:17.01 | aj_ | operation not permitted |
| 19:17.06 | max_posedon | (of course it should be run from root) |
| 19:17.11 | aj_ | ahh |
| 19:17.13 | tschaka | aj_ you should do this step chown -R aj:aj /home/aj/moko with your corresponding user:group and as root |
| 19:17.16 | tschaka | and the path |
| 19:18.00 | aj_ | ok |
| 19:18.19 | aj_ | bblater |
| 19:18.23 | tschaka | path should be correct, i guess |
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| 19:24.02 | SeligArkin | this seems rather redundent - status: incoming - direction: incoming. >.> |
| 19:27.00 | ndnihil | brought to you by the department of redundancy department |
| 19:27.42 | SeligArkin | yay! I love that department! |
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| 19:38.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r5586 10/trunk/eda/fped/postscript.c: |
| 19:38.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - postscript.c: added outline information for PDF |
| 19:38.36 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - postscript.c: ignore pdfmark if not supported by interpreter |
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| 19:51.14 | PaulFertser | toi: wanna see an optical illusion? |
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| 19:51.50 | m_abs | hi |
| 19:51.55 | PaulFertser | m_abs: Hi |
| 19:52.01 | PaulFertser | m_abs: wanna see an optical illusion? |
| 19:52.03 | Chocky | m_abs: don't be so negative! |
| 19:52.46 | m_abs | PaulFertser, Optical illusion? |
| 19:53.02 | PaulFertser | m_abs: hold your keyboard up in front of you and look at the home row |
| 19:53.28 | PaulFertser | m_abs: now cross your eyes a little so the 'G' and 'H' overlap. |
| 19:53.32 | m_abs | ok |
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| 19:53.51 | PaulFertser | m_abs: keeping focused, lift the keyboard over your head |
| 19:54.53 | PaulFertser | The expected result: http://xkcd.com/237/ |
| 19:54.54 | m_abs | This is going to be something silly, right? |
| 19:54.57 | PaulFertser | Sorry ;) |
| 19:55.15 | SeligArkin | :P |
| 19:55.15 | m_abs | lol |
| 19:55.38 | m_abs | I'm wearing glasses wouldn't work well. |
| 19:55.45 | PaulFertser | At least i tried |
| 19:56.14 | m_abs | Nice :) |
| 19:56.26 | PaulFertser | m_abs: any OM-related questions? |
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| 19:57.28 | m_abs | PaulFertser, Yeah. A resent update to SHR unstable broke something. Settings complains that fso or ophonekitd isn't running. I would prefer not to reflash the device to fix it. |
| 19:57.35 | bumbl | PaulFertser: there are people who clean their keyboards (the first thing i did when i got to my workspace for an internship this summer was getting some plastic cleaner and cleaning the really messy keyboard) |
| 19:58.25 | PaulFertser | m_abs: have you tried "opkg update && opkg upgrade" today? |
| 19:58.47 | m_abs | About 10 hours ago. |
| 19:59.05 | m_abs | I'll try again. |
| 19:59.25 | PaulFertser | m_abs: try and report, if it still doesn't work i think somebody'll be able to help you. At least i'll try. |
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| 20:07.26 | m_abs | PaulFertser, seemed to work :) |
| 20:09.53 | PaulFertser | m_abs: nice |
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| 20:17.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r5587 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/all-sheets: - scripts/all-sheets: added outline information for PDF |
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| 21:15.48 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ping |
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| 21:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: pong |
| 21:16.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: can you give any advice to Digital-Pioneer ? His screen shows only colored stripes. |
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| 21:16.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: everything else seem to work |
| 21:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | eseating the FPC allegedly helped in a few similar cases |
| 21:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | Reseating |
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| 21:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | depending on anamnesis also drying the LCM in a cosy warm place might help |
| 21:19.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: description: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/054189.html |
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| 21:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | yo. Check temperature dependencies. Remove bat for a night. Re-seat FPC. Dry LCM. Get spare |
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| 21:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | Might be a special case of WSOD even |
| 21:26.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, it exists even in BL it seems. And everything else works. |
| 21:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | If device is less than 6 months old, ans bought from a EU reseller, I'd just send it in for repair |
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| 21:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: http://xkcd.com/162/ The evidence she can't think -- Earth will slow down on her starting rotations, and speeds up again on her stopping. So she gains time only during loosing time in useless spinning idle ;-D |
| 21:35.19 | Chocky | What's this, xkcd day? |
| 21:35.30 | Chocky | and why is the time loose? |
| 21:35.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i was reading xkcd for the whole evening :) |
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| 21:36.47 | SeligArkin | PaulFertser: i am rather fond of 322 |
| 21:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | heh SeligArkin - long time no see ;-) |
| 21:37.16 | SeligArkin | hey doc! |
| 21:37.18 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: saw it today already by "random" |
| 21:37.53 | SeligArkin | notes her phone app is actualy usable as a phone now! |
| 21:38.10 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: but the facts talk for themselves: the girls don't properly code for free software projects not because they are offended by "jokes". |
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| 21:40.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: (162) still i like that much, very romantic and lyrical and xkcd-ish at the same time |
| 21:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | I always suspected xkcd actually is a girl ;-) |
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| 21:42.00 | SeligArkin | its a guy. >.> |
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| 21:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's a girl that invented a male avatar for her work |
| 21:45.11 | CVirus | girls ? internet ? |
| 21:45.12 | CVirus | no no |
| 21:45.18 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0fc1b03520ed 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind elm_toolbar_item_separator_{set|get} |
| 21:45.18 | CVirus | couldn't resist .. sorry :-p |
| 21:46.51 | SeligArkin | Maybe its a guy pretending to be a girl pretending to be a guy. :P |
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| 21:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | who knows for sure |
| 21:49.24 | PaulFertser | Who cares? |
| 21:49.26 | PaulFertser | :D |
| 21:50.57 | SeligArkin | Bah I cant ba assed to program my phone app to be clever with the second line. >.> |
| 21:51.19 | ndnihil | rs4 rear sway bar mod rocks! |
| 21:51.20 | ndnihil | er |
| 21:51.26 | ndnihil | wrong channel/server/network |
| 21:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: right planet at least? ;-P |
| 21:52.17 | ndnihil | DocScrutinizer: almost |
| 21:52.41 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well, have him PM me. I've gotta go now. :) |
| 21:52.53 | ndnihil | but if any of you own a B6 platform Audi/VW, installing a B7 RS4 rear sway bar is definitely worth the time |
| 21:53.05 | ndnihil | understeer is practically gone |
| 21:53.13 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: just read the backlog, it'll take 1 min |
| 21:53.42 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: My log only goes back less than an hour. Are there logs online I can use? |
| 21:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 21:53.54 | apt | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 21:54.00 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: 01:15 < DocScrutinizer> eseating the FPC allegedly helped in a few similar cases |
| 21:54.03 | PaulFertser | 01:15 < DocScrutinizer> Reseating |
| 21:54.05 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: 01:17 < DocScrutinizer> depending on anamnesis also drying the LCM in a cosy warm place might help |
| 21:54.12 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: 01:24 < DocScrutinizer> If device is less than 6 months old, ans bought from a EU reseller, I'd just send it in for repair |
| 21:54.21 | Graf_Ithaka | cu@all |
| 21:55.12 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but he's from US |
| 21:55.13 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I'll be back later to ask what that means. |
| 21:55.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Also, DocScrutinizer == Joerg? |
| 21:55.24 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: sure :D |
| 21:55.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, yes. He is. |
| 21:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer |
| 21:55.32 | apt | somebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 21:55.32 | PaulFertser | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 21:55.33 | apt | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
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| 21:55.51 | Digital_Pioneer | BBL |
| 21:55.57 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: see you |
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| 21:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you noticed even apt isn't sure about my current status? ;-P |
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| 21:57.01 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: LOL |
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| 22:18.13 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5588 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/ecn0032.txt): implemented ecn0032 |
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| 22:23.20 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5589 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: implemented ecn0033 |
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| 22:31.33 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5590 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/ecn0032.txt docs/ecn/ecn0033.txt): |
| 22:31.33 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - added commit to ecn0032 and ecn0033 |
| 22:31.33 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - added missing footprint values to audio sheet |
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| 22:59.45 | Dr4g0nKn1ght | hi, I have one Palm lifedrive and I would like to change the Palm OS, |
| 23:01.09 | Dr4g0nKn1ght | any manual for help me |
| 23:04.10 | SpeedEvil | Dr4g0nKn1ght: Basically - the only 'supported' platform is the freerunner/neo1973 |
| 23:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Dr4g0nKn1ght: to put OM on anything else - you're almost completely on your own. |
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| 23:09.01 | Dr4g0nKn1ght | SpeedEvil, thanks... |
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| 23:19.08 | hipitihop | morning all |
| 23:20.30 | hipitihop | I tried to get paroli runnning on my shr-u following the wiki "DISPLAY=:0 mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set paroli-serenity" however now I get enlightenement error on startup. how can I reset ? |
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| 23:22.54 | aj_ | ok, does anyone here have any tips running openmoko on a palm tx |
| 23:29.18 | aj_ | hello? |
| 23:29.30 | PaulFertser | aj_: ever'body's asleep |
| 23:29.46 | PaulFertser | aj_: also there's nothing special in SHR or other openmoko-targeted distros |
| 23:29.48 | aj_ | awww |
| 23:30.16 | PaulFertser | aj_: either you install something OE-based on your palm or Debian or whatever you want. |
| 23:30.18 | aj_ | i know, there is one site that shows how to make it but when i go to boot, cocoboot can't find the rootfs |
| 23:30.21 | aj_ | and I have gotten it to work before |
| 23:30.28 | PaulFertser | aj_: i don't think many people in this channel have experience with palm tx |
| 23:30.49 | aj_ | darn |
| 23:31.02 | PaulFertser | aj_: also there's no software called "openmoko" currently, probably only OM2009 distro but it's being abandoned. |
| 23:31.37 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: rm -rf ~/.e |
| 23:31.48 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: will remove all E settings |
| 23:31.50 | aj_ | why is it being abandoned? |
| 23:32.11 | PaulFertser | aj_: SHR is going forward, no need to maintain two separate but very close OE-based distros |
| 23:32.21 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: bugger I'm sure you have told me that before....easier to train a monkey sometimes :-) |
| 23:32.29 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: hehe |
| 23:32.34 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: good night |
| 23:33.20 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: gnite |
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| 23:40.37 | aj_ | i think it's booting |
| 23:41.03 | aj_ | does it usually hang a bit with just a little bit in the bar? |
| 23:42.48 | aj_ | takes a while to load :S |
| 23:43.38 | aj_ | omg its at the x in the middle of a screen |
| 23:44.10 | aj_ | yay it's loading, but i forgot the swap :P |
| 23:45.19 | brolin | swap is paws backwards. |
| 23:45.50 | brolin | Lemmings has a paws mode instead of pause. :) |
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| 23:49.50 | aj_ | lol |
| 23:49.58 | aj_ | it's slower but it works |
| 23:50.45 | aj_ | yay, swap makes it faster |
| 23:50.47 | aj_ | :P |
| 23:50.49 | brolin | Life in the slow lane, it's sure to make you lose your mind? ;) |
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| 23:51.12 | aj_ | openmoko really is cool so i hope it stays around |
| 23:51.51 | brolin | Not sufficiently cool to run IceWM, though. ;) |
| 23:52.16 | aj_ | it would be great on something like a nokia tablet w/ built in gsm or sim card available for it, all in one laptop |
| 23:52.58 | brolin | The original Eee PC must have been cool because it shipped with IceWM. ;) |
| 23:53.06 | aj_ | really? |
| 23:53.28 | aj_ | uggh it's so slow |
| 23:54.07 | aj_ | opie at least runs faster |
| 23:54.58 | brolin | Yes, on Xandros Linux. My dad bought a white original Eee PC when it was released in 2007. |
| 23:55.42 | aj_ | now they run xp |
| 23:55.48 | aj_ | and are pretty good |
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