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| 01:28.07 | bug1 | does anyone know who is in charge of the openmoko lists, im subscriber to support but im not allowed to post, no response from support-owner@lists.openmoko.org in a couple of months |
| 01:29.43 | bug1 | communications are really important for communities such as these and its really bad to be silently disrupting/disabling communications without an explanation |
| 01:30.11 | bug1 | if the community doesnt have the manpower to adminster the list then they should speak up |
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| 01:31.09 | bug1 | i can be contacted at glenn.l.mcgrath@gmail.com if anyone can help me post to the list. |
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| 02:34.09 | CosmicDuck | Hello, there is no rsync package available? |
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| 02:55.09 | CosmicDuck_ | CosmicDuck: Hi me. |
| 02:55.30 | CosmicDuck | CosmicDuck_: Hi me, too. |
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| 05:29.59 | Slaxxer | so is the glamo fix here yet ? |
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| 05:56.51 | lindi- | Slaxxer: "the glamo fix"? |
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| 06:20.01 | Slaxxer | i was reading the "planet" topic of the day |
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| 07:36.46 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5549 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (STATUS docs/ecn/STATUS docs/ecn/ecn0029.txt): Reviewed ECN0029 and the whole PMU. Closed ECN0029. |
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| 08:28.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5550 10/trunk/eda/scripts/footprint-report.pl: Add footprint reporter (using BOM list) |
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| 09:00.31 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5551 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/332fbga-p05.fpd: - modules/332fbga-p05.fpd: added measurements |
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| 09:01.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5552 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_inst.c gui_meas.c gui_tool.c inst.c inst.h): |
| 09:01.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Made interactive selection of measurement points a little less inefficient. |
| 09:01.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - vectors now have their own struct in inst.u and don't share inst.u.rect.end |
| 09:01.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when selecting points for measurements, use the highlighting we've already |
| 09:01.28 | CIA-52 | openmoko: done and don't redo all the O(n^3) searching for each mouse pointer movement |
| 09:01.30 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - removed debug code that printed what new measurements are like. We can now |
| 09:01.32 | CIA-52 | openmoko: use the code view for that. |
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| 09:31.01 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5553 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0016.txt: review accel removal changes |
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| 09:35.59 | AlexC | hey all |
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| 09:45.59 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5554 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README dump.c fpd.y kicad.c obj.h postscript.c): |
| 09:45.59 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added pad type (for non-solder and solder-paste-only pads) to FPD language |
| 09:45.59 | CIA-52 | openmoko: (GUI is still missing) |
| 09:46.45 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5555 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added "tst" footprint (test point, 1.2 mm diameter) |
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| 09:49.40 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r9a6629ade817 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: |
| 09:49.40 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: add possibility to sort case sensitive |
| 09:49.40 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: To use that, query with _sortcasesens set to non-false value. Default is False. |
| 09:49.40 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc88a629a3044 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: little optimalizantion in merging and getting field value from entry |
| 09:49.43 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rb53278cf2ef1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: disable merging by default |
| 09:49.46 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r40ad7a5c5203 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: conf: enable merging in opimd Contacts domain |
| 09:49.49 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r48c6d9e32005 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: fix sorting non-string values |
| 09:52.32 | AlexC | my freerunner's DNS isn't working |
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| 10:02.47 | Rakhun | AlexC: just not resolving domains? what does your /etc/resolv.conf contain? |
| 10:04.28 | naeg | what is the correct value for DISPLAY to do xrandr things etc over ssh? |
| 10:05.16 | Ke | ":0" ? |
| 10:06.59 | naeg | i used :0.0 but i seemed not to work |
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| 10:18.09 | AlexC | i think i'm in over my head |
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| 10:22.27 | Mortak | hi |
| 10:24.14 | naeg | how can i remove gadgets i added to the desktop |
| 10:37.36 | tomcatek | naeg: only by right click |
| 10:38.08 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r73dc394605b3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: remove custom matcher |
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| 10:54.13 | naeg | tomcatek: damn...but there must be any config file... |
| 10:59.52 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5556 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0027.txt gta02-core.sch): rename INTO/INT0 net, and note some of the other renamed nets |
| 11:02.20 | AlexC | i can't connect to my freerunner via ssh |
| 11:02.34 | AlexC | my desktop can't see it |
| 11:02.42 | AlexC | i run archlinux |
| 11:02.48 | Ke | see? |
| 11:02.55 | Ke | like ping? |
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| 11:03.20 | AlexC | there is no device for my freerunner even when connected |
| 11:03.38 | Ke | dfu-util? |
| 11:03.44 | naeg | AlexC: if you run archlinux you could be interested in this: http://www.archmobile.org archlinux for your freerunner;) |
| 11:03.56 | AlexC | is it stable? |
| 11:04.05 | naeg | we just packaged illume |
| 11:04.09 | naeg | e17* |
| 11:04.17 | AlexC | i'm on qtopia atm |
| 11:04.20 | Etu | naeg: Does it working? |
| 11:04.21 | AlexC | considering change |
| 11:04.38 | naeg | Etu: yeah and it's faster than on SHR, i think |
| 11:04.52 | naeg | AlexC: we have ported qtmoko too |
| 11:05.02 | naeg | AlexC: you can use it as daily phone based on arch liniux |
| 11:05.04 | naeg | linux* |
| 11:05.16 | Etu | naeg: Hmm, I think I will try it |
| 11:05.17 | naeg | and if you want to change you just pacman -Sy e-svn and you got e |
| 11:05.28 | naeg | Etu: but we have no phone apps etc |
| 11:05.33 | naeg | its just e17 up to no |
| 11:05.35 | naeg | w |
| 11:06.01 | naeg | Etu: join #arch-arm if you want, you'll find help there if you need |
| 11:06.51 | Etu | naeg: Ah, ok... And is there a way to get the Phone-apps? |
| 11:07.04 | Etu | And does it exist a jffs2 image? |
| 11:08.15 | PaulFertser | naeg: why do you think E is faster than on SHR? |
| 11:08.18 | naeg | Etu: not yet, we install it on SD |
| 11:08.31 | AlexC | can you use archmobile for everyday phone use (calls sms etc) |
| 11:08.47 | naeg | PaulFertser: try it and you'll see. i have shr installed and it seemed slower to me |
| 11:09.04 | naeg | AlexC: if you use qtmoko yes, with e17 not yet |
| 11:09.09 | PaulFertser | naeg: with the same engine? |
| 11:09.11 | Etu | naeg: Awww, I donät think I got the time for it... |
| 11:09.12 | naeg | Etu: we haven't packaged any phone apps yet |
| 11:09.21 | naeg | PaulFertser: yeah software |
| 11:09.57 | naeg | Etu: i'll tar the e17 sys, then you just have to extract it on your SD card |
| 11:10.02 | PaulFertser | naeg: software or software_x16? |
| 11:10.03 | naeg | but you need to have qi installed |
| 11:10.08 | naeg | PaulFertser: software |
| 11:10.20 | PaulFertser | naeg: because SHR has everything needed for x16 and that works damn fast they say. |
| 11:11.05 | naeg | well i not tested it really, i don't really mind, but the loadaverage was higher with SHR when just e running |
| 11:11.20 | PaulFertser | naeg: with the same theme and everything? |
| 11:11.53 | AlexC | I need to get arch to recognise my neo |
| 11:12.11 | naeg | no, default illume, which should be slower beacuse illume-shr is modified for the freerunner |
| 11:12.51 | AlexC | can you dual boot the neo? |
| 11:13.04 | AlexC | probably stupid question |
| 11:13.19 | naeg | AlexC: we install on SD, so yes |
| 11:13.56 | naeg | PaulFertser: do you have SHR atm running? just e |
| 11:14.19 | PaulFertser | naeg: no, sorry, i'm a debian user. |
| 11:14.34 | naeg | PaulFertser: do you have rightclick? |
| 11:16.09 | PaulFertser | naeg: i used to have it with Xfbdev, now with Xglamo my xmodmap trick doesn't work. But any sane person should use glamo X.org driver by now so using xmodmap to remap pointer buttons should be simple and cool. |
| 11:17.17 | naeg | PaulFertser: is there a reference to your trick with xmodmap? i use fbdev and would like to have rightclick |
| 11:17.36 | PaulFertser | naeg: bash -c 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 2 3 1"; /root/bin/waitclick.sh; xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3"' |
| 11:17.48 | naeg | btw load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.16 |
| 11:17.50 | PaulFertser | naeg: waitclick is "input-events 1 2>&1 | ( grep -q -m 1 released && kill $$ )" |
| 11:18.23 | PaulFertser | naeg: but really, use glamo X.org driver it's stable fast and cool. |
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| 11:18.31 | AlexC | does anyone use archlinux? |
| 11:18.38 | naeg | AlexC: yes, i do |
| 11:18.56 | naeg | PaulFertser: the resolution seems not to be ok with glamo, and with fbdev it works and its ok |
| 11:19.26 | PaulFertser | naeg: are you really sure you tried glamo X.org driver and not Xglamo kdrive? |
| 11:19.52 | naeg | xf86-video-glamo |
| 11:19.58 | Ke | glamo will have KMS soon |
| 11:20.07 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes, that's x.org. Probably that was an old version though. |
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| 11:21.20 | AlexC | can you connact to the freerunner from arch? |
| 11:21.25 | naeg | yes |
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| 11:21.35 | AlexC | It doesn't show up on mine |
| 11:21.39 | AlexC | the device |
| 11:21.45 | naeg | AlexC: look at this: http://www.archmobile.org/trac/wiki/AFR/Configuration/NetworkingOverUSB |
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| 11:23.53 | naeg | with this you also have internet connection over usb on your neo ;) |
| 11:25.26 | AlexC | http://pastebin.ca/1544554 |
| 11:25.57 | PaulFertser | BTW, for those who wants to know more how "opensource"-friendly Nokia is in reality, not in all their press-releases and buzz-marketing: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/30026/ |
| 11:26.13 | naeg | AlexC: execute as root |
| 11:26.48 | naeg | PaulFertser: isn't it enough if i execute this in bash -c `this here` on my neo when in e? |
| 11:27.03 | Wonka | PaulFertser: nice |
| 11:27.04 | Ke | PaulFertser: 1 patch ? |
| 11:27.19 | Wonka | Ke: but a very useful, it seems |
| 11:27.25 | Ke | well true |
| 11:27.58 | AlexC | http://pastebin.ca/1544557 |
| 11:28.00 | PaulFertser | naeg: (waitclick) i do not remember why i did it this way. Probably just because i was experimenting and stopped after it started to work. |
| 11:28.12 | PaulFertser | Ke: the patch is not important, the discussion is. |
| 11:28.52 | PaulFertser | Ke: are you asking about nokia's patch? |
| 11:28.55 | AlexC | naeg: i have to go, will you be here tomorrow same time? |
| 11:29.00 | Ke | PaulFertser: nopr |
| 11:29.03 | Ke | nope |
| 11:30.04 | naeg | AlexC: can't say that yet, you might autojoin #arch-arm, out channel |
| 11:30.08 | naeg | our* |
| 11:30.48 | AlexC | okay |
| 11:30.54 | AlexC | i'll be there tomorrow |
| 11:31.05 | AlexC | i'm on solar power so my time is limited |
| 11:31.11 | AlexC | see you :) |
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| 11:33.02 | naeg | PaulFertser: i don't get where you executed that? |
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| 11:38.25 | PaulFertser | naeg: i made an icon in a tray |
| 11:38.42 | PaulFertser | naeg: whenever i needed to press the right button i pressed it and the next click was "right". |
| 11:38.59 | naeg | aaah, just the next click is a rightclick? |
| 11:39.10 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes, it was comfortable enough for me. |
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| 11:41.07 | naeg | PaulFertser: seems not to work here... |
| 11:41.19 | Ke | PaulFertser: so Nokia is providing something close to mac80211 oslt? |
| 11:41.35 | PaulFertser | naeg: you need to use X.org for that to work |
| 11:41.37 | PaulFertser | naeg: iirc |
| 11:41.51 | Ke | (not that I know anything about telecommunications) |
| 11:41.56 | PaulFertser | Ke: i don't think so. |
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| 11:43.38 | naeg | PaulFertser: iirc? we use X |
| 11:44.21 | PaulFertser | naeg: X.org != Xfbdev (kdrive) != Xglamo (kdrive) |
| 11:44.32 | PaulFertser | naeg: the method i propose works with X.org but not with kdrive. |
| 11:47.23 | naeg | we need a general solution anyway, kernel or X |
| 11:49.01 | PaulFertser | naeg: how is it not general enough? |
| 11:49.46 | naeg | you said it doesn't work with glamo? |
| 11:49.54 | PaulFertser | naeg: it doesn't work with kdrive |
| 11:49.59 | PaulFertser | naeg: and nobody needs kdrive anyway. |
| 11:50.10 | naeg | we don't force anything, everyone can use what ever he wants |
| 11:50.14 | naeg | so we support kdrive too |
| 11:50.27 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes but why use old deprecated unsupported soft anyway? |
| 11:51.20 | naeg | PaulFertser: we don't only support the neofreerunner, so might someone has to use it |
| 11:52.03 | PaulFertser | naeg: kdrive is not supported on any platform |
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| 11:54.39 | naeg | PaulFertser: ? let me read what you have wrote, i am confused atm |
| 11:56.20 | naeg | PaulFertser: ah ok, so xf86-video-glamo is x.org? |
| 11:56.52 | naeg | so your rightclick should work with xf86-video-fbdev? |
| 11:57.59 | PaulFertser | naeg: yes |
| 11:58.08 | PaulFertser | naeg: try it on your PC |
| 11:58.10 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 11:58.13 | PaulFertser | bbl |
| 11:58.52 | naeg | PaulFertser: i have xf86-video-fbdev on my freerunner |
| 12:04.50 | Wonka | just found a nice part in http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/30026/ |
| 12:05.04 | Wonka | »we don't want PPP at all. It is just plain stupid and a total braindead |
| 12:05.04 | Wonka | idea. Non of the GSM/UMTS networks talk PPP over the air interface or |
| 12:05.04 | Wonka | actually anywhere in their stack. The PPP is just between the host OS |
| 12:05.04 | Wonka | and the card. It is a pointless encapsulation of IP packets that comes |
| 12:05.04 | Wonka | from the POTS stuff where PPP over a telephone line made sense. |
| 12:05.06 | Wonka | « |
| 12:05.34 | Wonka | is ppp necessary on the calypso, or could it be done some other way? |
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| 12:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Meaningless post is meaningless. |
| 12:10.05 | SpeedEvil | Sure it's stupid and braindead. |
| 12:10.18 | SpeedEvil | 99.9% of phones do it this way though. |
| 12:10.42 | SpeedEvil | And AIUI the calypso in FR only has serial - so it likely has to be done this way. |
| 12:12.32 | SpeedEvil | Well - not has. |
| 12:12.46 | SpeedEvil | But has to if you can't get someone to write a new firmware stack. |
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| 13:35.36 | weatherhead | hi everyone, I've just come back to playing with OM after a hiatus. Is there a distro that can connect to wifi networks with security yet? |
| 13:36.47 | SpeedEvil | yes - SHR - though some APs have trouble with the firmware of the wifi unfortunatley. |
| 13:37.01 | weatherhead | oh. The SHR I tried yesterday couldn't connect to anything |
| 13:38.21 | weatherhead | I think it is a kernel issue - what version of SHR do you recommend I download? |
| 13:38.58 | SpeedEvil | anything - more than one AP? |
| 13:39.16 | weatherhead | correct.... one completely unsecured, one has WPA2 protection |
| 13:39.23 | SpeedEvil | I regret - I have not got a FR - so I have absoltuely no idea about how wifi works. |
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| 13:40.22 | jjwc | Is it a firmware issue that was patched up in the driver (i.e. the driver for Windows)? |
| 13:40.38 | weatherhead | I don't use windows |
| 13:40.55 | jjwc | I'm talking about the WiFi chip. |
| 13:41.19 | weatherhead | oh. I don't know really, I'd just like a reasonably ok distro that can connect to my wifi and I can write Qt applications for. |
| 13:42.28 | weatherhead | it's what I've been after for about 3 years, and haven't succeeded yet |
| 13:42.30 | SpeedEvil | jjwc: unsure - I don't think so - I think it's just the firmware version we've got - and there is no furmware updater. |
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| 13:43.03 | jjwc | SpeedEvil: ah, okay. I was going to suggest ndiswrapper with the Windows driver if there was a Windows driver made for that chip. |
| 13:43.42 | SpeedEvil | ndiswrapper won't work. |
| 13:43.45 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 13:43.57 | SpeedEvil | It won't work unless there is a wince driver - for arm. |
| 13:44.05 | SpeedEvil | And I don't think ndiswrapper does that. |
| 13:44.05 | weatherhead | heh. Even then... |
| 13:44.12 | SpeedEvil | Also you'd need qemu |
| 13:44.37 | weatherhead | is anyone in here actually using FR for a phone, and if so what distro? |
| 13:44.37 | SpeedEvil | I've no idea if the windows driver can work round it - I'm just repeating stuff I vaguely remember. |
| 13:44.47 | SpeedEvil | yes, quite a few people. |
| 13:44.50 | SpeedEvil | SHR |
| 13:44.58 | SpeedEvil | generally as I understand it. |
| 13:44.58 | weatherhead | ok... but what release? |
| 13:45.11 | SpeedEvil | No clue |
| 13:45.11 | jjwc | SpeedEvil: yeah, I was trying to see if there was a WinCE driver. |
| 13:45.22 | weatherhead | yeh, the one I was playing with was ok actually. Just nothing was working |
| 13:45.41 | jjwc | But come to think of it, ndiswrapper probably doesn't support WinCE. |
| 13:45.57 | Etu | Why doyou wanna use the WinCE driver? |
| 13:46.09 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I don't use it - so I'm not tracking versions |
| 13:46.19 | weatherhead | ok no worries, I will have a crack at the one in the topic |
| 13:46.23 | jjwc | weatherhead: I used to use SHR until frameworkd died again. I might try to revive things. |
| 13:46.43 | jjwc | Android's a lot of fun to use, but the volume is too low to be used in a call. |
| 13:46.52 | weatherhead | I used to use qtopia, it was great |
| 13:46.57 | weatherhead | and actually worked very well |
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| 13:47.19 | jjwc | Etu: if the Windows driver patches around bugs in the firmware, then it might improve connectivity when used with ndiswrapper. |
| 13:47.19 | weatherhead | but the lack of synchronisation facilities was a bit of a bugger |
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| 13:47.55 | jjwc | I've seen so many examples where vendors deliver buggy hardware and just patch it up with software. |
| 13:48.50 | weatherhead | hehe, I think so far openmoko has pretty much done the opposite.. I've always loved the freerunner |
| 13:59.26 | weatherhead | anyone know where I can get a recentish SHR-full image from? |
| 13:59.36 | weatherhead | the one in the channel topic appears not to exist |
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| 14:01.34 | SpeedEvil | you';re not trying to just click on the link int he topic? |
| 14:01.44 | weatherhead | no, i'm not |
| 14:01.51 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 14:01.54 | SpeedEvil | not looked |
| 14:01.57 | weatherhead | in that directory there aren't any "full" images, just lite ones |
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| 14:24.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5557 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO fpd.y): |
| 14:24.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Cause in TODO, effect: |
| 14:24.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - pad type wasn't optional |
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| 14:40.07 | xyzz | where can I controll speaker volume during gsm call? |
| 14:40.34 | xyzz | there are some scenarios, but which is the right one ... |
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| 15:14.58 | naeg | is there any option for X to disable cursor? for Xdefaults or something |
| 15:19.20 | Weiss | naeg: X.org or Kdrive? it's harder in X.org |
| 15:19.59 | Weiss | xyzz: gsmhandset.state is probably what you want |
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| 15:42.55 | naeg | Weiss: x.org? |
| 15:42.56 | naeg | -? |
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| 15:45.32 | naeg | it would be possible to create an empty cursor theme, but this is ugly |
| 15:47.32 | Weiss | naeg: yeah.. there isn't an easy way according to the Xorg site |
| 15:47.36 | neomilium | naeg : unclutter do something like that |
| 15:47.53 | naeg | where can i find this unclutter? |
| 15:48.08 | Weiss | i was thinking of writing some kind of "null cursor driver" which pretends to provide a cursor but doesn't draw anything |
| 15:48.32 | naeg | i hoped that there is something like Xcursor=false |
| 15:48.35 | naeg | this would be nice |
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| 15:49.06 | naeg | found one |
| 15:49.14 | neomilium | http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/X11/contrib/utilities/unclutter-8.README |
| 15:49.26 | neomilium | http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/unclutter/ |
| 15:49.43 | neomilium | sorry naeg, haven't enought time to tell you more |
| 15:50.20 | naeg | yeah, i saw the packge, i dont need any more information, thanks neomilium |
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| 15:54.53 | naeg | but how does SHR disable cursor? |
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| 16:06.35 | CosmicDuck | naeg: try to configure enlighment by clicking top and left corner the configuration icon |
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| 16:09.32 | CosmicDuck | How can I switch on the bt visible mode? The Connectivity slider won't be store the On status. |
| 16:19.15 | naeg | CosmicDuck: this works for E, but if you start for example xterm the cursor appears |
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| 16:24.53 | SpeedEvil | Well - I guess that the nokia thing is happening. |
| 16:24.55 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ |
| 16:25.57 | mjr | yeah, wonder how free it actually is |
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| 16:27.13 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:27.32 | SpeedEvil | There is a hell of a range between OM - and the iphone say. |
| 16:28.36 | SpeedEvil | It looks like they chose the easy way out on the specifications. |
| 16:28.41 | SpeedEvil | put _everything_ in. |
| 16:29.29 | naeg | o god, FSO has an ass full of deps :/ |
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| 16:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: duh!! nokia.som/*/n900 ?! yeah |
| 16:32.59 | mickey|sports | naeg: that's a plus, it means they're reusing software as opposed to reinventing the wheel :) |
| 16:33.01 | mickey|sports | l8er |
| 16:33.38 | SpeedEvil | http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ |
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| 16:36.34 | naeg | mickey|sports: but i wanted to get the phone working today, but it seems like it will take me longer |
| 16:36.49 | naeg | anyway, aren't you a dev? ;) |
| 16:38.35 | SpeedEvil | Odd. No wifi (above) |
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| 16:39.47 | mickey|sports | these comments make me sick |
| 16:39.49 | mickey|sports | much too positive |
| 16:39.56 | mickey|sports | while nothing is clear |
| 16:40.00 | mickey|sports | *shrug* |
| 16:40.17 | SpeedEvil | the above maemo one is positive. |
| 16:40.38 | SpeedEvil | But I'm not completely sure that that's how it'll end up released. |
| 16:41.23 | mickey|sports | *nod* |
| 16:42.16 | SpeedEvil | Though there is a difference between carrier provided phones and others. |
| 16:42.27 | SpeedEvil | I mean unsubsidised. |
| 16:43.07 | SpeedEvil | I personally have no problem with subsidised phones being locked down to within an inch of their life. |
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| 16:50.09 | ndnihil | that actually looks quite nice |
| 16:50.18 | ndnihil | with a real keyboard |
| 16:51.12 | Undrwater | the ad looks very pro...as in overproduced :) |
| 16:51.31 | ndnihil | I'm just looking at the hardware specs |
| 16:53.52 | Undrwater | click on Home and you'll see the ad |
| 16:53.54 | SpeedEvil | No magnetometer or wifi seem the only omissions I've noticed. And there is no lanyard hole. |
| 16:54.08 | ndnihil | it has wifi |
| 16:54.29 | ndnihil | 3.5G and WLAN connectivity |
| 16:54.34 | ndnihil | Data transfers over Wi-Fi 54Mbps |
| 16:54.35 | Undrwater | just saw that |
| 16:54.56 | Undrwater | that's G right? |
| 16:55.04 | ndnihil | yeah |
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| 16:55.13 | ndnihil | hopefully it will fall back to B |
| 16:55.17 | SpeedEvil | My bad. |
| 16:55.24 | SpeedEvil | I searched for wifi and wireless. |
| 16:55.29 | SpeedEvil | There are too many features! |
| 16:55.47 | Undrwater | i guess it depends on the chipset |
| 16:55.55 | Undrwater | any clue that it'll be open? |
| 16:56.57 | ndnihil | dont care if it comes open, just care if it can be opened :) |
| 16:57.35 | ndnihil | starting out running linux is a good step in that direction |
| 16:59.28 | ndnihil | and removable battery |
| 16:59.34 | ndnihil | that instantly makes it better than the iphone |
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| 17:08.28 | ndnihil | have either of you seen a close-up of the keyboard? |
| 17:08.40 | ndnihil | trying to figure out if I can use it for work |
| 17:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | Undrwater: it's maemo |
| 17:09.12 | ndnihil | (think lots of CLI with | () ' " $ `, etc...) |
| 17:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: use blueSHIFT therefore |
| 17:09.44 | ndnihil | blueshift? |
| 17:09.47 | ndnihil | googles |
| 17:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | or <char> which pops up a whole selection screen |
| 17:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: googling for blueshift will probably lead you to wikipedia about redshift :-P |
| 17:10.46 | ndnihil | nope, wikipedia about an unrelated blue shift |
| 17:10.47 | ndnihil | :) |
| 17:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | there's a blue key for a shift layer |
| 17:11.07 | ndnihil | ah |
| 17:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 17:11.38 | SpeedEvil | remembers the spectrum keyboard. |
| 17:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | similar to what you find on many notebooks |
| 17:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeew spectrum |
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| 17:12.15 | SpeedEvil | It was lots better than the ZX81 :) |
| 17:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly guess they made that kbd out of erasers |
| 17:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I had a *very* decent standard kbd hooked up to my ZX81 |
| 17:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | well standard layout & formfactor. Custom matrix wiring |
| 17:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | lemme drool over that N900 specs a little more.. |
| 17:15.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qh7dvaH98 - spectrum upgraded :) |
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| 17:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/360/ |
| 17:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: for kbd-closeup |
| 17:20.08 | ndnihil | thanks |
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| 17:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml |
| 17:25.38 | ndnihil | I can probably deal with that |
| 17:25.56 | ndnihil | cant be any worse than using the on screen keyboard with stylus |
| 17:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic05.jpg ff |
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| 17:32.41 | ndnihil | not seeing | |
| 17:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually seems you're right - no lanyard hole ;-(( We *need* to find a place to drill one in |
| 17:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | XD |
| 17:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | for our German readers: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Nokia-N900-Internet-Tablett-als-Smartphone--/meldung/144403 |
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| 17:39.22 | Undrwater | what are the chance we'll get a nice browser? ewww was looking nice...but is it being developed? |
| 17:42.09 | Wonka | is ircing over an "IPv6 compatible cable" right now |
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| 17:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: There are any actually? o.O |
| 17:45.10 | ndnihil | uh, you mean cable modem? |
| 17:45.18 | ndnihil | I don't think the physical cables give a shit |
| 17:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 17:49.01 | Kero | 6 wires, not 4 ! |
| 17:49.16 | ndnihil | hahah |
| 17:52.12 | Undrwater | is there some kind of "anatomy of a phone call" on the wiki? can't seem to find anything |
| 17:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: ping |
| 17:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | Undrwater: huh? |
| 17:52.57 | Kero | anatomy => state machine |
| 17:53.13 | Kero | but I wouldn't know an overview... |
| 17:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's mainly about FSO anyway |
| 17:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | as I assume you're not interested in the GSM-OTA protocol |
| 17:54.21 | Undrwater | Kero: yes, thanks...so maybe FSO overview? |
| 17:54.58 | Undrwater | more like what the system does for incoming / outgoing calls |
| 17:56.16 | Kero | Undrwater: you can assume the system needs to track the lower-layer statemachine quite closely. |
| 17:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | Undrwater: that depends on how the system is configured (which apps are actually installed) |
| 17:56.52 | Undrwater | DocScrutinizer: ie shr, om2009, etc? |
| 17:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's quite some components that interact over dbus calls. |
| 17:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | and even that is work in progress |
| 17:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. playing ringtone will move from fsoeventsd to dialer app eventually |
| 17:58.22 | ndnihil | isn't the bl5j the same nokia battery we can use in the FR? |
| 17:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | not at all |
| 17:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | the "j" is the diff |
| 17:58.41 | ndnihil | oh |
| 17:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | we may use BL-(456)C |
| 17:59.16 | ndnihil | ah |
| 17:59.26 | ndnihil | what's the difference between the 4|5|6? |
| 17:59.30 | ndnihil | capacity? |
| 17:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | mainly thinkness and capacity |
| 18:00.36 | ndnihil | I'm digging this nokia |
| 18:00.41 | Undrwater | i think i've found what i was looking for |
| 18:00.52 | Undrwater | 900? |
| 18:01.14 | ndnihil | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr39.jpg |
| 18:01.25 | ndnihil | it's awesome that the promos include a folder for core dumps |
| 18:01.30 | ndnihil | the promo pictures |
| 18:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | huh?? lol |
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| 18:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | so you see it's genuine linux XD |
| 18:03.09 | ndnihil | The phone is supposed to hit the shelves late in 2009 and will go for 550 Euro |
| 18:03.14 | ndnihil | pricey |
| 18:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:03.36 | ndnihil | oh wait thats euro, not GBP |
| 18:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | not all phones go for the price of a FR |
| 18:04.11 | ndnihil | still $700'ish |
| 18:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | roundabout |
| 18:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | how much is that iphone-3gs crap? |
| 18:05.22 | ndnihil | no idea |
| 18:05.28 | ndnihil | never had any interest so never priced them |
| 18:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | me neither |
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| 18:06.37 | Chocky | all. |
| 18:07.47 | Undrwater | unlocked iphone is much more expensive than plan phone |
| 18:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's true for all brands and models |
| 18:08.45 | Chocky | iGimick + TMobile PAYG = cheap, depending |
| 18:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | jailbreak? LOL! on MyPhone I'm root |
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| 19:31.20 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: support less or equal and greater or equal |
| 19:31.20 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: Usage is the same like with _lt_ and _gt_ (_le_ and _ge_) |
| 19:31.34 | Slaxxer | mmmmmmMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 20:01.40 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no way to reproduce? |
| 20:02.59 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i' |
| 20:03.05 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i'll let you know if i hit it again |
| 20:04.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i can tell you one other nasty thing. My FR locked several times while i was using GPRS. Locked hard, not reacting to the long power button press. And no red blinking either. Since i was unable to reproduce and i don't run ramconsole (for no good reason :( ) i just ignored it. |
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| 20:35.42 | CosmicDuck | Hi, I'd tried to connect my bt mobile free hands set in my car with my neo (shm testing). I could not find the neo. I think because the neo could switch on the bt but it could not become visible by the settings program. Is this feature already working? |
| 20:36.31 | CosmicDuck | Another Problem today I've install omview. But if I start it it crashes without messages. Any idea? |
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| 20:37.13 | Slaxxer | some of those older packages have not been updated lately |
| 20:37.17 | Zeroedout | it gives no messages even if you start it from a command line? |
| 20:37.51 | CosmicDuck | Slaxxer: It must update first before it will run? |
| 20:38.05 | CosmicDuck | Zeroedout: Will check it ... Wailt |
| 20:38.25 | CosmicDuck | Invalid filename given:Epsilon expects the full path to fileSegmentation fault |
| 20:41.38 | CosmicDuck | Zeroedout: http://pastebin.org/12746 is the command and the output from omview by given an jpg. |
| 20:45.04 | CosmicDuck | ok, omview is from 03.05.2009 |
| 20:45.49 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: (bt) why are you searching for neo from bt headset? :-o |
| 20:46.10 | CosmicDuck | it's an car handsfree kit |
| 20:46.26 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: also have you read the whole Manually_Using_Bluetooth page? It has quite some amount of info, including how to set the neo to be discoverable and how to pair etc. |
| 20:46.27 | CosmicDuck | the kit will be search for the fone |
| 20:47.30 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: Is it ok that the visible switch could not be bring to on state? |
| 20:47.39 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: i don't care about GUI |
| 20:52.37 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: The manual said: "Don't forget you need to turn the bluetooth radio on in SHR Settings -> Connectivity -> Bluetooth Radio: On, where you can also make the bluetooth device visible. " Also this mean in my opinion it should work. But in fact the bt could be bring online, but visible mode is not available at my neo. |
| 20:53.04 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: i don't like SHR Manual, i've read it today already |
| 20:54.58 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: the manual instructions for using bluetooth are mostly modified/written by me and i did spend some time trying to make it work as it should. So in those i prepared i'm sure to some degree, in others -- not. |
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| 20:55.52 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: And where can I find it? I'm blind... |
| 20:56.05 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: |
| 20:56.06 | PaulFertser | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth |
| 20:56.19 | CosmicDuck | :-) |
| 21:00.19 | CosmicDuck | Ok, now I know why bt has not become visible...bluetooth stack itself has not been startet. The switch in configuration looks like will only power up and down anything from the bt hardware |
| 21:01.27 | CosmicDuck | but it starts not the /etc/init.d/bluetooth start command. |
| 21:06.23 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: if you'll be able to get something working it'd be good you add that to the wiki. We'll have a list of FR-compatible cars soon ;) |
| 21:09.24 | CosmicDuck | Yes I seen, there is no description at the momnt. As I remember the car free hand set use different connections to my old sony k600i for using them: obex for the phone book, modem for dialing and status and headset for the audio connection. Tomorrow I will check something. |
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| 21:11.20 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: feel free to ping me on irc but i'm afraid i won't be able to tell anything beyond what's already there on the page. |
| 21:12.39 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: Short question, did the bluetooth stack not startet if the bt will power on? |
| 21:13.55 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: bluetoothd is daemon. BT chip is connected via USB and can be powered/unpowered. If bluetoothd is already running and you power the chip on, it will see it and use it. The same if you do it in other sequence. |
| 21:15.14 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: Hmm, than there is a problem at my installation. The bluetooth stack would not been startet e.g. at boot time. |
| 21:16.19 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: are you sure you want it running all the time? Probably it'll use some of your precious RAM ;) |
| 21:18.34 | CosmicDuck | No. I need the stack only if the bt chip has been powered on. It looks like the stack will be starting at launching runlevel 2. But in fact, it has not run so I must startet it manually by /etc/init.d/bluetooth start :-( |
| 21:19.38 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: I think if it is not actually configured, the best way so is to disable bluetooth by powering off the bt hw and start bluetooth stack by powering on. |
| 21:20.58 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: As I understand this could be managed by dbus? I know only writing udev rules ;-) |
| 21:21.04 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: probably you're right, propose that to mickey|sports :) |
| 21:21.24 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: read "FSO_Resources" wikipage to understand the concept first. |
| 21:21.40 | CosmicDuck | Ok..gn8 |
| 21:21.47 | PaulFertser | Anyway, sleep necessity for me. bbl |
| 21:21.59 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: gn8 |
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| 23:16.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5558 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/tst.fpd: - forgot to name tst.fpd, silly ... |
| 23:17.41 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5559 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0001.txt): reinstate the lost HDQ |
| 23:44.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5560 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO postscript.c): |
| 23:44.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Measurement text size looked (almost) right on the screen but the size was all |
| 23:44.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: wrong when printing. |
| 23:44.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - postscript.c: "realsize" incorrectly assumed that device space used units of |
| 23:44.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 1/72 inch |
| 23:44.43 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - postscript.c: decreased measurement text size from 10 pt to 8.5 pt |
