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16:00.31*** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.*
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16:07.11Undrwaterupgrade killed gsm again in shr?
16:08.02CosmicDuckUndrwater: You know about a problem with upgrade on 2009 and not working sim reg on gsm?
16:08.18Undrwateri'm using shr...not 2009
16:08.34Undrwaterbut both use fso, so i guess similar problems...if they're using same version
16:08.59CosmicDuckUndrwater: possible same problem? without upgrading frameworkd* all still fine.
16:10.08Undrwaterthis morning's upgrade killed gsm for me...last night's upgrade brought back gsm when the previous upgrade (before last night) killed it :)
16:10.17Undrwaterso i'm guessing next upgrade will fix it again
16:10.26Undrwaterlife on the edge
16:11.13Undrwaternever mind...it just registered
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16:13.25CosmicDuckOk, for all: Upgrading framworkd brings some messages that configuring of libgee0 and frameworkd has been failed. An reinstall of libgee0 could fix this.
16:13.40CosmicDuckNow last test: Upgrade of framworkd-config
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16:53.50CIA-52openmoko: 03werner * r5534 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
16:53.50CIA-52openmoko: - renamed directory screens/ to manual/
16:53.50CIA-52openmoko: - convert icons in the manual from XPM to PNG so that Firefox can display them
16:53.51CIA-52openmoko:  too
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17:04.13CIA-52freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc05cee8ac6d5 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia
17:04.14CIA-52freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * racaac0d31f6c 10/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia
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17:10.04CosmicDuckok, after upgrading frameworkd-config the gsm - sim registering ist not further working.
17:12.18CIA-52freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re6ace93d37f7 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: do not use mktime as it's using local time (d'oh!), better use timegm which uses UTC
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17:16.21thegreen4meHas anyone tried putting a camera on the freerunner?
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17:16.58thegreen4meI know the Smedia Glamo 3362 has an unused camera interface
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17:18.08PBeckahoi :)
17:18.23thegreen4meYou guys sure are a quiet bunch
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17:19.07Wonkaso what? ;)
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18:11.38blanwhere is get xglamo for xorg?
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18:20.58Weissblan: xglamo is the name given to the kdrive driver. for xorg, you need xf86-video-glamo. source code is available from git.openmoko.org (branch "master")
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18:40.43DocScrutinizerthegreen4me: nobody yet
18:41.12thegreen4meoh well, thanks for looking
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18:41.40DocScrutinizerit's considered too much effort actually
18:41.58DocScrutinizerusb-cam is easier to implement
18:42.24DocScrutinizeron a unique device base
18:42.39DocScrutinizerfor MP things were different for sure
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18:43.37SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Is hte cambus even brotught out?
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18:44.04DocScrutinizerafair yes, some R-nets
18:44.28DocScrutinizerpd
18:44.37SpeedEvilFor MP - USB cam is stupid.
18:44.46SpeedEvilThere are so many 'nice' cameras in teeny packages.
18:44.55DocScrutinizermy words
18:45.12SpeedEvilBut for something that maybe 10 people are going to mod into their device - if that - ...
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20:07.25Slaxxeri know its nice to see all those apps  at opkg.org,,,   but    they need to work if they are going to be ther
20:07.31Slaxxere
20:08.18Slaxxerduke nukem  an doom  are 2 that are real showstoppers
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20:35.35henkie_to the SHR ppl, please add portmap to the disto
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20:38.22CIA-52openmoko: - AUDIO: added additional ECNs
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20:46.00CosmicDuckAny idea how i can mount the fso*.jffs2 locally on my box?
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20:48.37ndnihilCosmicDuck: loop device
20:48.50wjbairdCosmicDuck: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image
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20:52.50CosmicDuckuh.. more complex I though. no mount -o loop ....
20:53.09CosmicDuckthank you
20:54.54xyzzcan gcc crosscompile for armv4t out of box or there is need for patching the upstream gcc?
20:55.42Weissxyzz: (as i understand it) no patches, but you have to configure it correctly
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21:17.12DocScrutinizerCosmicDuck: I think there's a wikipage on loopmounting jffs2
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21:18.45CosmicDuckDocSrutinizer: wjbaird already send the link. Thank you.
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21:22.35xyzzWeiss do you know any details?
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21:24.44Weissof how to configure it? afraid not - i've never done it manually. for gdb though, it's as simple as ./configure --target=arm-linux-gnueabi
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21:31.39peter_bhi
21:32.01peter_bany ideas how to get gps to work with the latest shr unstable ?
21:41.17lindi-xyzz: it's very simple
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21:42.50Graf_Ithakahi there :)
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22:10.24xyzzlindi- thats expected with gnu tools :)
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22:33.58arg0_anyone using using the Neo theme on shr?
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22:48.16Graf_Ithakahi there, I wrote a little python-app using pyfluidsynth to play some midi-tones out of an SF2-file.. it works fine on my desktop but on the neo the sound is choppy, harsh and veeery bad.. I dont believe that its only the speakers - is the neo too 'weak' to handle fluidsynth?
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23:20.17DocScrutinizerGraf_Ithaka: probably fluidsynth is using floating point arithmetics. Neo's cpu has no hw-FPU
23:21.45Graf_IthakaDocScrutinizer: I kept an eye on CPU usage and its going on top when fluidsynth is used, so I think its primarily a hardware-problem, you're right :)
23:24.23DocScrutinizeryou might want to rewrite it to use longint instead of float
23:25.23max_posedonmay be compile with softfloat can fix it
23:25.36DocScrutinizerthat'll really make a speed diff. and might go unnoticed wrt audio quality loss
23:25.41max_posedonbut I still don't know what fp shr use
23:25.54max_posedon(softfloat or kernel emulation)
23:27.13DocScrutinizermax_posedon: I guess that depends on whether you link app against softfloat or not
23:27.53max_posedonfirstof all, it depends on how glibc compiled
23:28.00max_posedon(and gcc, e.g. libgcc_s)
23:28.07Graf_Ithakahmm I'll have a look into that tomorrow.. its way too late now :) I'll better go get some sleep
23:28.19Graf_Ithakathx for your comments :)
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23:28.51DocScrutinizerstill any float will bring a realtime app to a grinding halt
23:29.10DocScrutinizersf and kernel-emu
23:29.56max_posedonI know that sf 10th faster than kernel-emu on armv4
23:30.10max_posedonjust becase cpu exceptions are slooooow
23:30.43DocScrutinizerok, maybe
23:31.00DocScrutinizerstillnI don't see why we need float for audio
23:31.10DocScrutinizersilly
23:31.26max_posedonok, anyway, shr is softfloat
23:31.45mjrrequire isn't probably the point, rather somebody decided it's more convenient that way
23:32.05DocScrutinizerack, a lazy coder
23:32.55max_posedonjust because math theory of sound (sinusoids, Tailor's queue, etc) designed for floats)
23:33.10DocScrutinizerbbaaaaah
23:33.42mjrI wouldn't really call it that lazy these days to use floating point, just unfortunate that there's special case hardware on which that'll be prohibitively slow
23:34.12DocScrutinizerk, granted
23:35.19max_posedonmjr, hardware isn't slow
23:35.24SpeedEvilThere was someone a while back wondering why his program wouldn't do a++ at more than 2MHz or so.
23:35.31max_posedonit just haven't fpu!
23:35.31SpeedEvila was a float.
23:35.56max_posedonmjr, like you haven't wings
23:36.08DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: muhaha
23:37.20DocScrutinizermax_posedon: you're sure? ;-)
23:38.11DocScrutinizermax_posedon: maybe mjr will send you a picture to prove you wrong
23:38.32SpeedEvilWOGTFO
23:39.50max_posedonha, he even can send me Copefield's video, but it won't prove me anything
23:44.27SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkjP5d6ulc&feature=PlayList&p=244ABC469D4FEF3C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1 Todays random science.
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23:48.20DocScrutinizerWEIRD SHIT!!
23:48.46SpeedEvil:)
23:50.34DocScrutinizerI'll sell those for geeks' desktop gimmicks
23:54.57DocScrutinizermixing the starch with ferromagnetic nanoparticles might be worth a try. Could use waves and/or magnetic fields Then ;-D
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23:58.39SpeedEvilWould be fun.

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