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16:00.31 | *** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
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16:07.11 | Undrwater | upgrade killed gsm again in shr? |
16:08.02 | CosmicDuck | Undrwater: You know about a problem with upgrade on 2009 and not working sim reg on gsm? |
16:08.18 | Undrwater | i'm using shr...not 2009 |
16:08.34 | Undrwater | but both use fso, so i guess similar problems...if they're using same version |
16:08.59 | CosmicDuck | Undrwater: possible same problem? without upgrading frameworkd* all still fine. |
16:10.08 | Undrwater | this morning's upgrade killed gsm for me...last night's upgrade brought back gsm when the previous upgrade (before last night) killed it :) |
16:10.17 | Undrwater | so i'm guessing next upgrade will fix it again |
16:10.26 | Undrwater | life on the edge |
16:11.13 | Undrwater | never mind...it just registered |
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16:13.25 | CosmicDuck | Ok, for all: Upgrading framworkd brings some messages that configuring of libgee0 and frameworkd has been failed. An reinstall of libgee0 could fix this. |
16:13.40 | CosmicDuck | Now last test: Upgrade of framworkd-config |
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16:53.50 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5534 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
16:53.50 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - renamed directory screens/ to manual/ |
16:53.50 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - convert icons in the manual from XPM to PNG so that Firefox can display them |
16:53.51 | CIA-52 | openmoko: too |
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17:04.12 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r36d9f6a6b523 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: fix dbus query methods |
17:04.13 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc05cee8ac6d5 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia |
17:04.14 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * racaac0d31f6c 10/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia |
17:04.16 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r03ca7640995f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia |
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17:10.04 | CosmicDuck | ok, after upgrading frameworkd-config the gsm - sim registering ist not further working. |
17:12.18 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re6ace93d37f7 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: do not use mktime as it's using local time (d'oh!), better use timegm which uses UTC |
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17:16.21 | thegreen4me | Has anyone tried putting a camera on the freerunner? |
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17:16.58 | thegreen4me | I know the Smedia Glamo 3362 has an unused camera interface |
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17:18.08 | PBeck | ahoi :) |
17:18.23 | thegreen4me | You guys sure are a quiet bunch |
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17:19.07 | Wonka | so what? ;) |
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18:11.38 | blan | where is get xglamo for xorg? |
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18:20.58 | Weiss | blan: xglamo is the name given to the kdrive driver. for xorg, you need xf86-video-glamo. source code is available from git.openmoko.org (branch "master") |
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18:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | thegreen4me: nobody yet |
18:41.12 | thegreen4me | oh well, thanks for looking |
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18:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | it's considered too much effort actually |
18:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | usb-cam is easier to implement |
18:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | on a unique device base |
18:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | for MP things were different for sure |
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18:43.37 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Is hte cambus even brotught out? |
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18:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | afair yes, some R-nets |
18:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | pd |
18:44.37 | SpeedEvil | For MP - USB cam is stupid. |
18:44.46 | SpeedEvil | There are so many 'nice' cameras in teeny packages. |
18:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | my words |
18:45.12 | SpeedEvil | But for something that maybe 10 people are going to mod into their device - if that - ... |
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20:07.25 | Slaxxer | i know its nice to see all those apps at opkg.org,,, but they need to work if they are going to be ther |
20:07.31 | Slaxxer | e |
20:08.18 | Slaxxer | duke nukem an doom are 2 that are real showstoppers |
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20:35.35 | henkie_ | to the SHR ppl, please add portmap to the disto |
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20:46.00 | CosmicDuck | Any idea how i can mount the fso*.jffs2 locally on my box? |
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20:48.37 | ndnihil | CosmicDuck: loop device |
20:48.50 | wjbaird | CosmicDuck: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
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20:52.50 | CosmicDuck | uh.. more complex I though. no mount -o loop .... |
20:53.09 | CosmicDuck | thank you |
20:54.54 | xyzz | can gcc crosscompile for armv4t out of box or there is need for patching the upstream gcc? |
20:55.42 | Weiss | xyzz: (as i understand it) no patches, but you have to configure it correctly |
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21:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | CosmicDuck: I think there's a wikipage on loopmounting jffs2 |
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21:18.45 | CosmicDuck | DocSrutinizer: wjbaird already send the link. Thank you. |
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21:22.35 | xyzz | Weiss do you know any details? |
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21:24.44 | Weiss | of how to configure it? afraid not - i've never done it manually. for gdb though, it's as simple as ./configure --target=arm-linux-gnueabi |
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21:31.39 | peter_b | hi |
21:32.01 | peter_b | any ideas how to get gps to work with the latest shr unstable ? |
21:41.17 | lindi- | xyzz: it's very simple |
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21:42.50 | Graf_Ithaka | hi there :) |
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22:10.24 | xyzz | lindi- thats expected with gnu tools :) |
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22:33.58 | arg0_ | anyone using using the Neo theme on shr? |
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22:48.16 | Graf_Ithaka | hi there, I wrote a little python-app using pyfluidsynth to play some midi-tones out of an SF2-file.. it works fine on my desktop but on the neo the sound is choppy, harsh and veeery bad.. I dont believe that its only the speakers - is the neo too 'weak' to handle fluidsynth? |
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23:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | Graf_Ithaka: probably fluidsynth is using floating point arithmetics. Neo's cpu has no hw-FPU |
23:21.45 | Graf_Ithaka | DocScrutinizer: I kept an eye on CPU usage and its going on top when fluidsynth is used, so I think its primarily a hardware-problem, you're right :) |
23:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to rewrite it to use longint instead of float |
23:25.23 | max_posedon | may be compile with softfloat can fix it |
23:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | that'll really make a speed diff. and might go unnoticed wrt audio quality loss |
23:25.41 | max_posedon | but I still don't know what fp shr use |
23:25.54 | max_posedon | (softfloat or kernel emulation) |
23:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: I guess that depends on whether you link app against softfloat or not |
23:27.53 | max_posedon | firstof all, it depends on how glibc compiled |
23:28.00 | max_posedon | (and gcc, e.g. libgcc_s) |
23:28.07 | Graf_Ithaka | hmm I'll have a look into that tomorrow.. its way too late now :) I'll better go get some sleep |
23:28.19 | Graf_Ithaka | thx for your comments :) |
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23:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | still any float will bring a realtime app to a grinding halt |
23:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | sf and kernel-emu |
23:29.56 | max_posedon | I know that sf 10th faster than kernel-emu on armv4 |
23:30.10 | max_posedon | just becase cpu exceptions are slooooow |
23:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | ok, maybe |
23:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | stillnI don't see why we need float for audio |
23:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | silly |
23:31.26 | max_posedon | ok, anyway, shr is softfloat |
23:31.45 | mjr | require isn't probably the point, rather somebody decided it's more convenient that way |
23:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | ack, a lazy coder |
23:32.55 | max_posedon | just because math theory of sound (sinusoids, Tailor's queue, etc) designed for floats) |
23:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | bbaaaaah |
23:33.42 | mjr | I wouldn't really call it that lazy these days to use floating point, just unfortunate that there's special case hardware on which that'll be prohibitively slow |
23:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | k, granted |
23:35.19 | max_posedon | mjr, hardware isn't slow |
23:35.24 | SpeedEvil | There was someone a while back wondering why his program wouldn't do a++ at more than 2MHz or so. |
23:35.31 | max_posedon | it just haven't fpu! |
23:35.31 | SpeedEvil | a was a float. |
23:35.56 | max_posedon | mjr, like you haven't wings |
23:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: muhaha |
23:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: you're sure? ;-) |
23:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: maybe mjr will send you a picture to prove you wrong |
23:38.32 | SpeedEvil | WOGTFO |
23:39.50 | max_posedon | ha, he even can send me Copefield's video, but it won't prove me anything |
23:44.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkjP5d6ulc&feature=PlayList&p=244ABC469D4FEF3C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1 Todays random science. |
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23:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | WEIRD SHIT!! |
23:48.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
23:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'll sell those for geeks' desktop gimmicks |
23:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | mixing the starch with ferromagnetic nanoparticles might be worth a try. Could use waves and/or magnetic fields Then ;-D |
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23:58.39 | SpeedEvil | Would be fun. |