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| 08:23.22 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: ping ... |
| 08:24.08 | PaulFertser | BillK_: pong |
| 08:24.25 | PaulFertser | BillK_: i wanted to propose a simpler workaround for wlan problem |
| 08:24.27 | BillK_ | You pinged me about 12 hrs ago ? |
| 08:24.35 | BillK_ | yes: |
| 08:25.13 | PaulFertser | BillK_: it seems that just rmmod ar6000 && modprobe ar6000 after every "fsoraw + wpa_supplicant " invocation is enough. At least it worked reliably here. |
| 08:25.38 | PaulFertser | BillK_: (unfortunately fixing the driver properly is really hard i'm not sure i'll be able to do that :() |
| 08:25.45 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: it will eventually fail ... what |
| 08:26.03 | BillK_ | I found is that wpa_supplicant, |
| 08:26.17 | BillK_ | avahi and all the other things running in the FR |
| 08:26.29 | BillK_ | networking randomly crash & burn and |
| 08:26.41 | BillK_ | need cleaning up - so even if you |
| 08:27.07 | BillK_ | do the driver thing, it may fail on something else. |
| 08:27.31 | BillK_ | Also, doesnt the request resources thing via dbus add/remove the module anyway? |
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| 08:29.16 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: searching my emails for a ref to the last comment ... |
| 08:29.17 | PaulFertser | BillK_: that's the trick, yes. FSO only binds/unbinds s3cmci driver, basically the result is the same as suspend/resume |
| 08:30.24 | PaulFertser | BillK_: and i doubt you need avahi on FR, at least on all desktops and laptops i used i never needed it and it even sometimes caused problems (e.g. with dns resolving). |
| 08:31.15 | PaulFertser | BillK_: it'd be nice to have at least reproducible testcases to fix in-driver bugs so even if something bad happenes in firmware the driver could be simply reloaded. |
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| 08:32.01 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: sorry, not avahi - udhcpc - shoulda checked first |
| 08:32.44 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: I have had good reliability using those scripts I posted - I |
| 08:33.07 | BillK_ | sometimes get a failure when signal is weak (the things DEAF :) but |
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| 08:33.55 | BillK_ | just running the script again when closer works - cant remember a failure in fact (against |
| 08:34.07 | BillK_ | the 3 AP's I use regularly) |
| 08:34.51 | BillK_ | s/failure/real failure/ |
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| 08:35.46 | BillK_ | If the ar6000 is crashing internally, its getting reset somehow ... |
| 08:35.54 | PaulFertser | BillK_: btw, why do you have to delete default route? As i see it if you establish connection and udhcpc adds another default route, it'll be prioritized. |
| 08:36.47 | PaulFertser | BillK_: ar6000 can crash internally but it doesn't do that all the time with all APs. There were some quite specific conditions, Werner was able to reproduce that reliably. |
| 08:36.57 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: local network - I often use wifi when usb is connected, but when wifi is running, its usually doing backups/updates etc |
| 08:37.56 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: I have not looked into prioritisation - Its a quick fix that works in my setup |
| 08:38.37 | PaulFertser | BillK_: i wonder why it's needed since i think that the route add later "takes priority" automatically. |
| 08:38.37 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: Do you have a lits of the conditioons Werner found - would be interesting to see. |
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| 08:38.57 | Hakisho | Hi, is there an openmoko2009 build with kernel 2.6.30 that will work? |
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| 08:39.38 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: route didnt - I have usb setup to not be forwarded, whilst wifi gets full access to network/internet - when starting usb after |
| 08:39.56 | PaulFertser | BillK_: (sorry, nabble) http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1581754 |
| 08:40.07 | linuksamiko | Hello. I would like to know what you would choose or which is knowen to be better QTExtended Improved or QTMoko? |
| 08:40.37 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: tkx for link - lokking ... |
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| 08:43.00 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: have not seen the gwiscan bug since last year, the others "may" be |
| 08:43.18 | BillK_ | there but I dont see them in my usage which is either |
| 08:44.07 | BillK_ | flat out streaming (backups is probably most traffic, but also intrnet radio streaming via mplayer) |
| 08:44.29 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: and an our or two of inactivity between uses. |
| 08:44.48 | PaulFertser | BillK_: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/wlan/freeze/README |
| 08:45.58 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: also tried "wmiconfig power maxperf" but didnt see an advantage, and it |
| 08:46.00 | PaulFertser | BillK_: and some other tests like that can reliably crash firmware |
| 08:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
| 08:46.18 | BillK_ | plays havoc with usb audio when streaming from the internet |
| 08:46.25 | PaulFertser | Morning DocScrutinizer :) |
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| 08:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~nabble |
| 08:49.18 | ajvogel | BillK_: You mentioned scripts for setting up wifi, do you have a link to them? I could never get my wifi working. |
| 08:49.57 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: hmm - I am not roaming ... cant remember seeing any of the error messages |
| 08:50.12 | BillK_ | ajvogel: wait 1 |
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| 08:52.20 | BillK_ | ajvogel: pasted email contents to: http://pastebin.com/m643d6275 |
| 08:53.15 | ajvogel | BillK_: Thanx alot, I appreciate the help |
| 08:53.38 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: tyop, its bluetooth audio, not usb audio that wmiconfig maxperf causes continual stutters. |
| 08:53.48 | BillK_ | s/tyop/typo/ |
| 08:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | BillK_: usb audio is quite a realtime application. On a weak CPU that is hard to get right when you need to do any other task meanwhile (like transfer over WiFi) |
| 08:54.45 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: see typo above - meant bluetooth, not usb :) |
| 08:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | even worse |
| 08:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | well, depends |
| 08:55.38 | BillK_ | PaulFertser: It looked like interferance between bluetooth an wifi at the wireless level, not cpu bound. |
| 08:55.52 | BillK_ | gotta take son to soccer training, back later ... |
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| 08:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | id you can use a IIS if at BT, it shouldn't be much diff to a normal audio-card |
| 08:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | BillK_: and BT and WiFi use same freq, they basically have to share it |
| 08:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: might the 2-wire coexistence hw need some additional sw support for BT and WLAN to cooperate correctly? |
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| 09:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how many of the strange effects in BT and WLAN might be introduced by mutual influence over 2w-coex which afaik never been taken into account when checking either of those subsystems |
| 09:07.10 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i thought there's some documentation with guidelines. But i wouldn't surprise it was ignored just like many other more important issues. |
| 09:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: exactly |
| 09:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: we should pester werner about it. How much and what he knows about the topic. |
| 09:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: are there any API functions dealing with coex, for BT or WLAN? |
| 09:10.27 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: he says he's busy with gta02-core anyway. Advices me to learn network drivers programming by "fixing" ar6000... |
| 09:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: he won't refuse to answer questions ;-) |
| 09:12.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm afraid it won't help much. "fixing" that driver would require real dedication and anyway it won't help with firmware problems. |
| 09:13.59 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: can you possibly explain how can it happen that despite making a decent wifi chip is magnitude harder than writing a sane driver, atheros usually succeedes at first but can ultimately fail at second (as ar6000 is an example of really poor engineering). They're supposed to have QA etc... |
| 09:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: a 'freeze' may as well be a wrong level on one of these 2 wires |
| 09:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: no idea on atheros capabilities |
| 09:15.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but we all know the hardware it produces is "ok" and widely used. |
| 09:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: any pointer to where 2W-coex is specified (operation principles etc)? |
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| 09:23.26 | i_b0t | hi |
| 09:24.06 | i_b0t | someone here knowing a little help about qtmoko to sd-card installation? |
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| 09:40.58 | i_b0t | $ sudo tar -C /mnt/moko/ -xzvf qtmoko-debian-v6.tar.gz |
| 09:41.02 | i_b0t | sry |
| 09:42.45 | i_b0t | while trying to copy the qtmoko-fs to the sd-card i have the following error, which seems to be an error with the qtmoko-fs-archive: |
| 09:42.45 | i_b0t | ./usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.3/cc1 |
| 09:42.45 | i_b0t | gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated |
| 09:42.45 | i_b0t | Any idea? |
| 09:44.02 | dns53 | download it again and/or format your sd card |
| 09:46.03 | i_b0t | dns53: thank you |
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| 12:45.38 | Ainulindale | hmpf |
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| 14:35.12 | olivierm | hi there |
| 14:36.43 | olivierm | trick question : what would be the simpler way, for a script, to know whether the usb networking is on or not? |
| 14:36.53 | olivierm | if possible on shr-u :) |
| 14:36.55 | olivierm | thanks alot |
| 14:37.12 | SpeedEvil | check for a route? |
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| 14:37.28 | PaulFertser | olivierm: cat /sys/class/net/usb0/carrier |
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| 14:52.17 | olivierm | PaulFerster: thanks alot :) |
| 14:52.38 | olivierm | SpeedEvil : no, the route isn't destroyed even when the cable is unplugged |
| 14:57.12 | olivierm | it works great that way paul, thank you very much again |
| 14:57.36 | PaulFertser | olivierm: say hi to mwester, it's his code :) |
| 14:57.43 | olivierm | oh, great :) |
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| 15:05.39 | saeed_ | http://jokvsms.mihanblog.com |
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| 15:13.02 | Slaxxer | r3 kernel-paroli white screens after resume |
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| 15:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: I estimated John might take up to ~3500 years. So I'll stop it now |
| 15:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: the fan became a nuissance ;-) |
| 15:24.57 | Slaxxer | doc is there something wrong with the latest paroli? |
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| 15:37.15 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: ;D |
| 15:40.12 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: too short attention span to wait that little? sissy! |
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| 16:21.26 | Slaxxer | doc is there something wrong with the latest paroli? |
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| 16:43.49 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:25.33 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, I can't stand Midori. What's a good (JS/AJAX friendly) browser for FR/ |
| 17:25.35 | Digital_Pioneer | ? |
| 17:29.17 | pieterc | It's in my brain atm, it should come out soon ;-) |
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| 17:39.50 | linuksamiko | hej everyone. I like to install QI-bootloader but for some reason it doesn't work (following the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation ). And thene I have a question. How can I flash my neo once I installed qi? As far as I understand DFU mode and NOR won't work after the installation |
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| 17:41.36 | lindi- | linuksamiko: wrong |
| 17:41.38 | PaulFertser | linuksamiko: reread the wiki page |
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| 17:46.58 | linuksamiko | lindi-: what do you mean by wrong? That I didn't follow the wiki right or that I can't flash my neo anymore (using dfu-util) |
| 17:47.18 | lindi- | linuksamiko: you can't write to NOR so you can't make it "not work" |
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| 17:48.55 | PaulFertser | high-fives lindi- |
| 17:49.04 | linuksamiko | and what is meant by that exactly: no DFU-Mode - USB is not initialized at all (but you can always boot from NOR) |
| 17:49.44 | lindi- | linuksamiko: when you boot Qi |
| 17:50.47 | linuksamiko | lindi-: so with Qi I can boot into NOR and flash as usual if I want to? |
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| 17:51.02 | lindi- | linuksamiko: it's the hardware that allows you to choose that |
| 17:51.35 | lindi- | PaulFertser: btw, why is it hardware? why not just have it always boot from NOR and code in NOR to read the status of AUX? |
| 17:51.47 | lindi- | PaulFertser: this would allow you to resume by aux |
| 17:52.35 | linuksamiko | lindi-: ok, I just wanted to know if I can still flash my moko with dfu-util afterwords because I wasn't so sure about that. And sticking forever with one system (besides SDcards) wasn't exactly what I was looking for |
| 17:52.59 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no idea, that was design decision of OM folks made long time ago. Probably there're some obstacles in the way you propose. |
| 17:53.10 | linuksamiko | PaulFertser: I will just do the whole thing all over again and hope it works this time |
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| 17:53.19 | PaulFertser | linuksamiko: it doesn't make sense! |
| 17:53.26 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ok, this is what the AVR microcontroller does for me :) |
| 17:53.45 | linuksamiko | PaulFertser: what doesn't make sense |
| 17:54.02 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, you know that reliable resume by AUX is possible with a bit of hacking. |
| 17:54.14 | PaulFertser | linuksamiko: "doing the whole thing from scratch" |
| 17:55.05 | linuksamiko | PaulFertser: well that is what you suggested (kind of) |
| 17:55.24 | PaulFertser | linuksamiko: no, i suggested reading the page, not "doing" anything with hardware. |
| 17:55.56 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the way it's done now allows you to boot both ways. If you bork NOR you can boot from NAND and vice-versa. That has its benefits to what you propose. |
| 17:56.53 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yes |
| 17:57.09 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but if I bork NOR I need debug board anyway? |
| 17:57.14 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so what's the point? |
| 17:59.31 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no, NOR can be written from the userspace, if you can boot anyhow. |
| 17:59.49 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but only with hardware hack? |
| 18:00.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it's so minor that it can't be considered to be a real hardware hack. |
| 18:00.23 | lindi- | ok it's still one :) |
| 18:00.36 | PaulFertser | lindi-: think of it as of safety measure against clueless lusers. |
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| 18:08.08 | linuksamiko | ok, too much fuzz about nothing. It seamed to work all the time. THX anyway and helping me out |
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| 18:08.37 | PaulFertser | linuksamiko: thanks for reading the wiki :) |
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| 18:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: lindi-: iirc I suggested a hack that would stabilize the otherwise bouncing AUX. In the end that gpf6 is a gpiO line that aux is running to |
| 18:17.30 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: exactly |
| 18:17.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i still remember that, except that i don't see much demand for actual implementation. Cool hack :) |
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| 18:19.42 | lindi- | PaulFertser: DocScrutinizer: would be cool to be able to put the device to a mode "record audio when button FOO is held" |
| 18:20.06 | lindi- | PaulFertser: DocScrutinizer: you can't do that with AUX since the phone won't wake with AUX. You can't do that with POWER since the system will shutdown in 10 seconds |
| 18:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: well that's the meaning of the "hardware and synergy" subline on my business card |
| 18:20.23 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hm, you found a usecase indeed ;) |
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| 18:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: you obviously are mistaken wrt to what I can do ;-D |
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| 18:21.34 | Etu | Is SHR unstable stable enough to use? |
| 18:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: why should FR be unable to wake on AUX? |
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| 18:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: aah, sorry, I missed the "link" between those two posts |
| 18:22.57 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: well this bouncing issue? |
| 18:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: use HOLD button |
| 18:23.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i don't have headset :) |
| 18:23.42 | lindi- | they should have marketed it as an extra button :) |
| 18:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: hack NOR uboot then, to fix the bouncing |
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| 18:26.35 | mickeyl | dos1: pong |
| 18:26.54 | dos1 | mickeyl: did you test that idlenotifier stuff in fsousaged? |
| 18:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: insert two opcodes: set gpf6-mode output; set gpf6 0 |
| 18:27.08 | dos1 | mickeyl: eigher i'm doing something wrong or it doesn't work :( |
| 18:27.14 | mickeyl | dos1: what does happen? |
| 18:27.22 | dos1 | s/eigher/either/ |
| 18:27.32 | dos1 | mickeyl: just nothing |
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| 18:27.35 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 18:27.38 | mickeyl | that's not enoug |
| 18:27.49 | dos1 | mickeyl: it was segfaulting without correct conf options (as expected) |
| 18:27.53 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: hmm |
| 18:28.07 | dos1 | mickeyl: but now i can't see any debug message nor dbus signal about idle notifier when resume |
| 18:28.19 | mickeyl | dos1: are you sure you are on HEAD? |
| 18:28.22 | dos1 | mickeyl: either from gsm or from power button |
| 18:28.29 | dos1 | mickeyl: yup, checked |
| 18:28.35 | mickeyl | ok, let me retry here |
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| 18:30.03 | lindi- | mickeyl: speaking of signals, could you please consider http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/385 or is there some existing solution? |
| 18:30.28 | Digital-Pioneer | Where does Woosh save its bookmarks? |
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| 18:33.32 | mickeyl | dos1: ups, 2009-08-18T18:33:08.840307Z UsageController [ERROR] </org/freesmartphone/Usage>: DBus Error while talking to IdleNotifier: Method "SetState" with signature "s" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier" doesn't exist |
| 18:33.33 | Slaxxer | why is the letters on the keyboards soo smalll??? |
| 18:33.56 | Slaxxer | is-are |
| 18:34.01 | mickeyl | lindi-: we could do that, although I'd prefer to forcefully detach the context before going into suspend |
| 18:34.12 | lindi- | mickeyl: I'm ok with both |
| 18:34.38 | lindi- | mickeyl: i'd just want to be able to suspend and be sure that the phone is not woken up after 60 seconds :) |
| 18:34.40 | lindi- | mickeyl: am I the only one who is hitting this? |
| 18:34.59 | lindi- | I'd imagine "stop IRCing and put phone to pocket" would be quite common use case |
| 18:35.25 | mickeyl | dos1: aargh, found it |
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| 18:36.05 | mickeyl | lindi-: i agree, more folks should be annoyed by that |
| 18:36.34 | mickeyl | ooh wait |
| 18:36.38 | mickeyl | there's a much better way |
| 18:36.45 | mickeyl | slaps forehead |
| 18:37.07 | mickeyl | why do we get +CGEV at all? |
| 18:37.27 | mickeyl | don't we disable that URC on suspend? |
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| 18:39.30 | lindi- | mickeyl: what's the command to disable it? (I'd read calypso source but I don't have it, the command is probably not in my copy of GSM specs either..) |
| 18:40.01 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9447282b921d 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: |
| 18:40.01 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: controller: talking to the right dbus object helps |
| 18:40.01 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: Thanks dos1 for spotting |
| 18:40.16 | mickeyl | +CGEV is a standard 07.07 URC |
| 18:40.24 | mickeyl | let me check specs |
| 18:40.43 | lindi- | 'Set command enables or disables sending of unsolicited result codes, +CGEV:' |
| 18:41.20 | mickeyl | +CGREG? |
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| 18:41.28 | mickeyl | dos1: please retry |
| 18:41.29 | lindi- | mickeyl: +CGEREP |
| 18:41.34 | mickeyl | oh |
| 18:41.35 | lindi- | mickeyl: but i don't know which value it should be set to |
| 18:41.41 | dos1 | mickeyl: ok, thanks |
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| 18:42.11 | mickeyl | no, +CGEREP is something different |
| 18:42.21 | mickeyl | oh |
| 18:42.25 | mickeyl | wait, you're right |
| 18:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, please take care not to bork solicited resume by GPRS inbound traffic. I'm using this a lot |
| 18:42.32 | mickeyl | let me check our suspend command biunch |
| 18:42.39 | lindi- | mickeyl: i'll read my logs |
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| 18:43.03 | mickeyl | DocScrutinizer: no, disabling +CGEV should have no effect on inbound gprs traffic wakeup |
| 18:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | ok :-) |
| 18:44.07 | mickeyl | lindi-: according to the source code we disable it |
| 18:44.08 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.15 | mickeyl | can you verify whether it's really sent? |
| 18:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | mickeyl: just in case you ever wondered: the fifo in modem uart seems 64 byte |
| 18:45.17 | mickeyl | I'm afraid there is no command to say "stop stuffing more into the fifo and let it drain' |
| 18:45.24 | mickeyl | that would be helpful during suspend/resume |
| 18:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, anyway I never seen data loss on resuming inbound GPRS packets. So probably moko FW is handling the internal CTS/RTS correctly |
| 18:47.12 | mickeyl | *nod* |
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| 18:47.38 | mickeyl | given the original dedication of the TI Calypso, I'm positively surprised it works at all with our AP/BP suspend/resume design *cough* |
| 18:47.49 | mickeyl | (for various degrees of 'working') |
| 18:47.52 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | >dinner |
| 18:48.41 | mickeyl | ~bon appetit |
| 18:48.42 | apt | hmm... bon appetit is smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito Smaklig måltid!. Hyvää ruokahalua. Bo Proveito |
| 18:49.33 | lindi- | mickeyl: $ zcat /home/scratch/neo/2009-08-02/home/lindi/bugs/creg-wakes-up1.log.gz | grep -E "(CGEREP|CGEV)" | cut --bytes=1-20,90- | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 18:49.36 | lindi- | http://paste.debian.net/44524/ |
| 18:50.09 | lindi- | mickeyl: maybe you want to see the whole log? |
| 18:50.13 | mickeyl | yeah, please |
| 18:50.32 | mickeyl | i admire your cmdline skills though ;) |
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| 18:54.14 | mickeyl | ~seen ptitjes |
| 18:54.16 | apt | ptitjes <n=didier@212.73.198-77.rev.gaoland.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 54d 38m 5s ago, saying: 'you here!!! 8-]'. |
| 18:54.22 | mickeyl | ~seen ptitjes_ |
| 18:54.23 | apt | i haven't seen 'ptitjes_', mickeyl |
| 18:54.42 | lindi- | mickeyl: blah, that's different log |
| 18:54.56 | lindi- | mickeyl: that's about ": got 26 bytes from: '\r\n+CREG: 5,"2396","92F2"\r\n'" waking the phone up |
| 18:56.29 | mickeyl | ? it wakes up by +CREG? that means the suspend commands are not properly sent |
| 18:56.41 | lindi- | but that's different bug |
| 18:56.56 | Kero | today my Neo1973 became my primary phone! Now I need a pim suite and enhanced framework functionality! :) |
| 18:56.58 | lindi- | then I have one log where the phone wakes up due to "NO CARRIER" |
| 18:57.09 | mickeyl | heh, that's fun |
| 18:57.15 | mickeyl | we have no way to disable that :( |
| 18:57.23 | Kero | any idea wy Windoooozzzz seemed to provide only 100mA over USB? |
| 18:57.24 | lindi- | mickeyl: I need to replicate the log for #385 |
| 18:57.33 | mickeyl | lindi-: ok, please add it to the bug once you have it |
| 18:58.02 | mickeyl | Kero: perhaps it only enumerates known hardware (e.g. for which it has .inf files or drivers) |
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| 19:00.13 | PaulFertser | Kero: yes, you must install driver |
| 19:00.23 | PaulFertser | Kero: (not driver actually, just inf file) |
| 19:00.30 | PaulFertser | Kero: or force "fast charge" |
| 19:00.33 | Kero | which driver, the one tha came on the CD with my phone? |
| 19:00.45 | PaulFertser | Kero: no idea, download the one linked at wiki. |
| 19:00.51 | Kero | :) |
| 19:00.57 | PaulFertser | Kero: or just force fast charge on the phone in case you don't need networking. |
| 19:00.58 | Kero | will dig it up, thx |
| 19:01.17 | PaulFertser | Kero: you might want to try opimd-utils for PIM functionality |
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| 19:03.32 | PaulFertser | Kero: another possible trick: rmmod g_ether and modprobe g_filestorage (with some dummy file). |
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| 19:03.56 | Kero | isntallation of opimd-utils on 20090808 won't mess up existing apps? |
| 19:04.18 | PaulFertser | Kero: you might even want to create a special small vfat-containing file and stuff that damned inf there. |
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| 19:04.57 | PaulFertser | Kero: (mess up) afaik, it's ok. |
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| 19:14.11 | Kero | mostly not implemented, yet... |
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| 19:20.07 | chocotuar | I'm trying to compile my project with the arm-g++ compiler, but the toolchain's compiler can't seem to find my system libraries (like iostream and queue, etc) and I don't remember how to make it use them. any suggestions? |
| 19:20.47 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: are you using OE? Or emdebian? Or what? |
| 19:21.53 | chocotuar | PaulFertser: I'm fairly certain it's the OE one, whichever one this is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 19:22.51 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: hm, i can tell you that most devs here use plain OE. Or OE installed with the help of SHRMakefile. With that you just need to specify proper dependencies in your recipe. |
| 19:24.33 | chocotuar | PaulFertser: at this time I'm just trying to make a binary file to test on my phone itself... what dependency is queue and iostream and algorithm? they're supposed to be basic c/c++ include files |
| 19:26.19 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: no, OE is like gentoo for embedded. |
| 19:26.42 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: if you want to try something simple you can install all dev tools on FR itself but it'll be a bit too slow. |
| 19:27.01 | chocotuar | PaulFertser: how do I go about getting this SDK? or the include files on the FR? |
| 19:27.25 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: opkg install g++ (to have dev environment on FR) should do it. |
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| 19:27.45 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: as to OE, i'd recommend using "Building SHR" instructions from shr-project.org wiki. |
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| 19:29.16 | chocotuar | PaulFertser: for that when I build a package and I using a makefile? or something like a BB recipe |
| 19:29.17 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: do you know Gentoo? OE is very similiar but aimed at cross-compiling distros for embedded targets. To build some software with it you write a recipe (in gentoo they're called ebuilds) to specify what are compile and runtime dependencies of that package, where to get the sources and how to build it. |
| 19:29.20 | kardan__i | does the openmoko have a EPEAT ranking? |
| 19:29.33 | PaulFertser | kardan__i: wtf is that? |
| 19:30.45 | kardan__i | http://www.epeat.net/ |
| 19:30.57 | chocotuar | PaulFertser: I've definitely heard of gentoo... are you suggesting that I install it on my own computer? or am I just using some SDK environment? where do I get it, either way? |
| 19:31.38 | kardan__i | EPEAT is a system that helps purchasers evaluate, compare and select electronic products based on their environmental attributes. The system currently covers desktop and laptop computers, thin clients, workstations and computer monitors. |
| 19:31.56 | kardan__i | mobile phones are not yet included oviously |
| 19:32.41 | PaulFertser | chocotuar: i suggest you to use OE by following "building SHR" instructions. |
| 19:33.15 | PaulFertser | kardan: i don't think there's any sense in comparing freerunner with anything. Most free software folks already know what that is. |
| 19:33.39 | kardan | yes, they should :) |
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| 19:34.21 | kardan | additionally it would be great to see promote the om as a green mobile phone on epeat |
| 19:35.05 | kardan | there also is a Environmental Benefits calculator: http://www.epeat.net/FastBenefits.aspx |
| 19:36.34 | kardan | there are instructions to be listed by epeat: http://www.epeat.net/Manufacturers.aspx |
| 19:40.41 | kardan | maybe the best is to write a proposal to the list |
| 19:45.38 | Kero | the confusing part is that there are 3 databases in /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ but they are empty except for calls. |
| 19:46.19 | Kero | thinks he should read up on the opimd dbus API |
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| 19:48.40 | PaulFertser | Kero: you need to switch contacts and sms backends to opimd but then you'll have to use only opimd-enabled apps (at least for smses). |
| 19:49.24 | PaulFertser | Kero: dos1 has exlained something like that on community ML recently. |
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| 19:53.25 | pieterc | ~seen rms |
| 19:53.29 | apt | pieterc: i haven't seen 'rms' |
| 19:53.30 | Kero | *gr* now I find the basic API, but no clue on which bus, destination or interface to pass to mdbus. |
| 19:53.35 | pieterc | pfff, buu to rms |
| 19:54.22 | Kero | mdbus -s is useful, though. |
| 19:57.42 | PaulFertser | Kero: want to know a faster way than mdbus? |
| 19:58.00 | PaulFertser | Kero: dbus-send ;) |
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| 20:05.34 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you by any chance want to try my patch that should improve stability of my testcase and (i hope) shouldn't affect others? |
| 20:06.06 | PaulFertser | lindi-: my testcase is "bind the driver, start wpa_supplicant, use wifi, kill wpa_supplicant; unbind the driver" multiple times. |
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| 20:07.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i want to check if there're any regressions but lack decent skills. |
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| 20:11.44 | PaulFertser | lindi-: http://paste.debian.net/44536/ |
| 20:11.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: please |
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| 20:16.43 | lindi- | PaulFertser: now way too busy right now :( |
| 20:16.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: not right now |
| 20:17.06 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but if you could do that in several days (test the patch for regressions) it'd awesome. |
| 20:17.48 | lindi- | not sure, i'm terribly busy at work nowadays |
| 20:18.11 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but if you send it to timo.lindfors@iki.fi i can keep it flagged as "important" and i'll hopefully eventually test it |
| 20:18.33 | lindi- | PaulFertser: note that i have not used wpa_supplicant manually before, always relied on ifupdown |
| 20:19.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: heh, did it break for you too? I know only one definete way to break driver currently: to touch any eth0 property while the iface is down. |
| 20:19.43 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no i just use ifupdown on all systems so i don't see why i'd use something else on neo |
| 20:19.51 | lindi- | i think it calls wpa_supplicant |
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| 20:20.43 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sure. But ar6000 is mad buggy, it can fail to do something others have no problems with. That's why details matter. |
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| 20:26.48 | henkie_ | latest SHR wont let me use wifi |
| 20:31.06 | PaulFertser | henkie_: no, it will |
| 20:31.13 | PaulFertser | henkie_: please read FSO_Resources wikipage |
| 20:31.28 | PaulFertser | s/read/read and understand/ |
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| 20:36.03 | henkie_ | PaulFertser, i see |
| 20:37.12 | henkie_ | too bad it seems to involve a cli, mokonnect used to work for me |
| 20:37.27 | henkie_ | will do fine for my home network tho |
| 20:37.38 | henkie_ | (now trying hackable1) |
| 20:38.12 | henkie_ | btw, removing the sd-card always makes me nervous :) |
| 20:38.40 | henkie_ | the brackets seems a little fragile |
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| 20:43.49 | grmlgrml | hi guys, can anybody tell me how to switch usb-hostmode with kernel 2.6.30.5/openwrt? |
| 20:44.05 | laotseu | :c |
| 20:44.32 | PaulFertser | grmlgrml: the same as with .29? |
| 20:45.00 | grmlgrml | doesn#t work |
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| 20:51.18 | grmlgrml | error: can't open /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/gta02-pm-host.0/hostmode no such file... |
| 20:52.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5480 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO gui_tool.c inst.c inst.h meas.c meas.h): |
| 20:52.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Finally found a nice way to draw arcs in the GUI. |
| 20:52.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - we freed a package's samples list after recalculating the number of samples, |
| 20:52.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: which caused a crash after adding a new vector. We now record the original |
| 20:52.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: list length in the package structure. |
| 20:52.16 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when dragging a circle, offer the end point first, so that it becomes an arc |
| 20:54.11 | PaulFertser | grmlgrml: find /sys -name \*host\* |
| 20:55.15 | grmlgrml | mopls |
| 20:57.11 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5481 10/trunk/eda/fped/inst.c: - stupid typo made us crash when setting the package name |
| 21:00.45 | grmlgrml | PaulFertser: ok, found /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/gta02-pm-host.0/hostmode, gonna try this |
| 21:01.06 | henkie_ | anyone tried gentoo on the freerunner? |
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| 21:04.53 | chocotuar | how do I link my computer's library files to the toolchain when I compile? |
| 21:05.01 | chocotuar | include files* |
| 21:06.37 | grmlgrml | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | henkie_: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/ to easy your pain |
| 21:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | cya... ->HP |
| 21:09.02 | henkie_ | DocMobilizer, ah, seems a nice idea indeed |
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| 21:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | all my ideas are nice (or mega-nasty) :-P |
| 21:12.10 | henkie_ | hehe |
| 21:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 21:13.11 | grmlgrml | generally, how can i find /sys/... parameters/states? greped in kernel source, don't know where/what to search for |
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| 21:30.56 | DocMobilizer | HP finally |
| 21:31.50 | |Marco| | wee, got my Freerunner A6 today :) |
| 21:32.16 | |Marco| | I've still got my A5 from last summer, still working fine :) |
| 21:32.18 | pieterc | congrats |Marco| |
| 21:32.21 | larsc | grmlgrml: the path is build from the device hierarchy, so you won't find the the complete path in the kernel sources. the sysfs files are normally declared with DEVICE_ATTR(...). |
| 21:32.35 | pieterc | what comes preinstalled on the A6? |
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| 21:32.44 | |Marco| | om2008.8 |
| 21:33.01 | |Marco| | stable build from "barbie" |
| 21:33.27 | pieterc | Barbie Bancock |
| 21:33.34 | |Marco| | possibly |
| 21:33.38 | pieterc | ;) |
| 21:33.42 | |Marco| | yeah yeah |
| 21:33.47 | |Marco| | pun intended ? |
| 21:33.50 | |Marco| | :p |
| 21:34.06 | pieterc | yes indeed ;-) |
| 21:34.59 | |Marco| | hehe, well.. I't operating fine, haven't tested with a simcard yet |
| 21:36.02 | pieterc | :) what's going to be your first flasg? |
| 21:36.04 | pieterc | flash |
| 21:36.35 | |Marco| | think I'll test om2008 for now, haven't touched it since some time last year |
| 21:36.51 | |Marco| | I've got Hackable1 on the A5 running well sofar |
| 21:36.52 | pieterc | hmmm... It's pretty much outdated |
| 21:37.09 | pieterc | imo, you're not doing any good testing om2008.8 :p |
| 21:37.15 | |Marco| | I could fetch a newer image of om200x.x |
| 21:37.23 | pieterc | sure |
| 21:37.30 | pieterc | 2009 is pretty cool with paroli |
| 21:37.52 | pieterc | and at least you'll be able to install some recent packages |
| 21:37.56 | pieterc | like mokomaze ;) |
| 21:38.04 | |Marco| | aha :P |
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| 21:39.14 | |Marco| | does the A6 have the Moko11 GSM fix ? |
| 21:39.41 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: it's something you should tell us ;) From whom did you bought it? |
| 21:40.10 | |Marco| | hrm, a buddy bought a bunch.. not quiet sure how or when :/ |
| 21:40.41 | |Marco| | can I get an output somewhere or is it only the stamp under the battery ? |
| 21:42.11 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: of GSM firmware version? |
| 21:42.29 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: there's AT+CGMR=? command |
| 21:42.47 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: no idea about how to use it in qtopia. |
| 21:42.57 | |Marco| | qtopia ? |
| 21:43.13 | pieterc | qtopia? |
| 21:43.15 | |Marco| | well, I'm hoocked up with it on usb and ssh shell |
| 21:43.31 | |Marco| | om2008.8 != qtopia |
| 21:43.50 | |Marco| | PaulFertser: yeah, the GSM firmware |
| 21:44.32 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: om2008.8 == qtopia/X |
| 21:44.48 | |Marco| | oh ? sorry, I didn't know that |
| 21:45.43 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: you better flash SHR unstable anyway, om2008 was deadborn and nobody's interested in it at all currently. |
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| 21:46.16 | |Marco| | PaulFertser: no, not yet |
| 21:46.23 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: and if you want to try paroli, you can easily run it on SHR too. |
| 21:47.06 | |Marco| | we'll see |
| 21:47.42 | |Marco| | I'm not that keen on SHR, so we'll see what comes out of playing with om200x.x on uSD first for a while |
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| 21:48.23 | |Marco| | I'll leave the om2008.8 on flash as backup if the uSD distro get's corrupted (as I've experienced so many times before in mainly SHR) |
| 21:48.29 | pieterc | |Marco|: I4m not keen on SHR, bad thing to say on this channel ;) |
| 21:49.27 | PaulFertser | Not at all |
| 21:50.02 | |Marco| | what I don't like is the people trying to "sell" it :/ If I find it comfertable, I'll use it, but I want to test other distro's first |
| 21:50.36 | pieterc | right |
| 21:50.53 | pieterc | I just wanted to notice there are many shr devs in here |
| 21:51.23 | chocotuar | personally, I've found H:1 to be most desirable in terms of phone AND app usage. that is, if you have access to a 2gb uSD |
| 21:51.42 | pieterc | never tried h:1 yet |
| 21:51.48 | pieterc | maybe I should |
| 21:52.23 | |Marco| | chocotuar: have you tested with a uSD larger than 2GB and filling it with whatever over 2GB while in H:1 ? |
| 21:52.36 | chocotuar | it's very responsive and most things work out-of-the-box |
| 21:52.50 | grmlgrml | larsc: thanks, found:ohci-s3c2410.c:static DEVICE_ATTR(usb_mode, S_IRUGO | S_IWUSR, show_usb_mode, set_usb_mode), seems to be boolean, but thats quiet cryptic to me. well i'm learning |
| 21:53.01 | chocotuar | |Marco|: nope, I have about 6 2gb uSDs, but none bigger than that |
| 21:53.19 | |Marco| | on all distro's so far I've hit this magical limit and I'm puzled.. I'm guessing it has todo with the SDHC protocol ? |
| 21:53.24 | |Marco| | *on some cards |
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| 21:54.03 | |Marco| | chocotuar: okay, I've got a 2GB and a 4GB |
| 21:54.10 | |Marco| | both are kingston |
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| 21:54.43 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: no, sdhc should work as well. Just to boot from those you need to use a modern bootloader. |
| 21:54.44 | chocotuar | |Marco|: the one I use is a kingston and it works fine, I just suggest ext3 instead of ext2 like the wiki calls for... less filesystem checks |
| 21:56.03 | |Marco| | chocotuar, PaulFertser I've got ext3 and qi on it, and it boot's just fine, just can't write more than 2GB data in total, get device is full errors at ~2GB |
| 21:56.23 | PaulFertser | |Marco|: are you using vfat there? ;) |
| 21:56.27 | |Marco| | no |
| 21:57.47 | chocotuar | |Marco|: never heard of that happening... I remember I had a problem where my computer couldn't recognize the size of the uSD if it was bigger than 1gb, but that had nothing to do with the phone. might be the same issue |
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| 21:58.43 | |Marco| | chocotuar: I've got no idéa |
| 22:00.13 | |Marco| | hrmf.. the theme and desktop changed to E .. I liked the black desktop that was originally in om2008.8 |
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| 22:03.54 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5482 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (inst.c inst.h postscript.c): |
| 22:03.54 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - replaced awkward FOR_GLOBAL_INSTS / FOR_PKG_INSTS sequence with single |
| 22:03.54 | CIA-52 | openmoko: FOR_ALL_INSTS |
| 22:03.55 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - several functions only walked the active package instances, so we couldn't |
| 22:03.55 | CIA-52 | openmoko: access the origin of the root frame |
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| 22:08.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5483 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/ (INFO STATUS ge865.fpd): |
| 22:08.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Added experimental GE865 module. (Incomplete - need to add measurements and |
| 22:08.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: have to find a way to drop H4.) |
| 22:09.25 | |Marco| | ooo |
| 22:09.27 | |Marco| | nice :) |
| 22:10.29 | kirun | Yeah, but where is the patch to support the bananaphone? |
| 22:11.44 | |Marco| | bananaphone ? |
| 22:13.03 | kirun | Warning: annoying song that will stick in your head forever, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWm47yPLGc |
| 22:13.43 | |Marco| | geez, that's all ? I've seen it n times |
| 22:13.55 | |Marco| | that kind of stuff is easily dismissable |
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| 22:13.59 | |Marco| | *for me |
| 22:14.47 | |Marco| | but the Adams Family intro and a few sertain Monty Python songs are superglued to my rotting brain :p |
| 22:14.57 | kirun | I can usually only get rid of one by starting a new infection |
| 22:15.20 | RamsesFSFE | kirun, annoying |
| 22:16.34 | kirun | Well, don't say I didn't warn you |
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| 22:19.22 | pieterc | netbsd runs on a toaster... shouldn't we port OM2009 to a toaster to be as portable as netbsd? |
| 22:19.45 | pieterc | http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php |
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| 23:18.46 | Slaxxed | somebody needs to check the debian on a freerunner install script for a virus |
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| 23:27.44 | CVirus | virus ? |
| 23:27.50 | Slaxxed | c |
| 23:28.01 | CVirus | what virus ? |
| 23:28.44 | Slaxxed | well i couldnt erase the contents of my sdcard an 2 folders had locks |
| 23:29.05 | Slaxxed | then my debian box locked |
| 23:29.19 | Slaxxed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.49 | Slaxxed | so slack 13 is going on |
| 23:30.26 | CVirus | probably buggy stuff or so, but not a virus ! |
| 23:31.26 | Slaxxed | had some dotmatrix looking folders |
| 23:31.35 | Slaxxed | weird stuff |
| 23:33.36 | Slaxxed | debian was cool though |
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| 23:49.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5484 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_inst.c gui_style.c inst.c inst.h unparse.c): |
| 23:49.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - fixed precedence of unary minus, so that -(a+b) isn't printed as -a+b |
| 23:49.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - removed in_path logic (never missed not having it) and made selected vectors |
| 23:49.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: a little brighter |
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