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| 00:59.58 | hipitihop | has anyone managed to get curretn shr-u working with wep ? even after manually editing /etc/network/interfaces to add wireless-essid and wireless-key eth0 I get errors when I ifup eth0 |
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| 01:14.18 | Slaxxer | well yes |
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| 01:14.54 | Slaxxer | oo nope |
| 01:15.01 | hipitihop | Slaxxer: so what are the magic incantations |
| 01:15.19 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.24 | Slaxxer | :) |
| 01:16.30 | hipitihop | I assume eth0 is the crrect if |
| 01:21.02 | hipitihop | not sure why I'm getting error e.g. when I do 'ifdown eth0' I get "can't open '/var/run/udhcpc.eth0.pid': No such file or directory" |
| 01:22.21 | hipitihop | infact what is udhcpc, don't remember seeing that before |
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| 01:54.22 | fwi-x | plop |
| 01:54.36 | fwi-x | any neovento user ? |
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| 01:56.21 | fwi-x | when my FR is running neovento , if not usb plugged, after few minutes of inactivity, the screen is freezing and tha AUX button is going switching on/off |
| 01:56.32 | fwi-x | (the red light) |
| 01:57.02 | fwi-x | and then theonly one soluytion I've found is to reset it by removing the battery :( |
| 01:57.29 | fwi-x | does anyone know why this problemandhox to fix it ? |
| 01:58.16 | fwi-x | ^and how to fix it ? |
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| 04:45.05 | Slaxxer | whatisit |
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| 05:22.59 | kibombo | the freerunner has a usb port right, so i could easily plug in a keyboard..? |
| 05:23.46 | ezekiel | it's a mini-usb - so you'd need adapters |
| 05:24.15 | ezekiel | and it's not typically in "Host" mode - IIRC |
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| 05:46.26 | CosmicDuck | Hi |
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| 06:02.48 | CosmicDuck | I've got two days ago my second Neo. The gsm ist not working properly. Neo cannot connect to it. I've flashed the whole Neo now to 2009 with qi and moko11 firmware, but the problem still exit (used uSD update procedure). The Mickeyterm is working but only simple at command returns an "OK". All others answers with an "ERROR" incl. ati. My first Neo did not have these problem with the same... |
| 06:02.49 | CosmicDuck | ...firm/software-release and the sims I've tested. |
| 06:12.24 | CosmicDuck | ok, AT+CGMR gives now the same result on my both neos. But sim registration is not working. Get Errors at startup: |
| 06:12.26 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service GSM: TimeOut" |
| 06:12.27 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service Gprs: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 06:12.29 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service TopBar: waiting for service Gprs failed" |
| 06:12.30 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service Audio: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 06:12.32 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service SIM: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 06:12.34 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service SMS: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 06:12.36 | CosmicDuck | Any idea? Possible I got an broken Neo? |
| 06:12.48 | ndnihil | tried re-seating the sim card? |
| 06:13.06 | ndnihil | I had to stick a layer or two of tape on the back of mine to add thickness |
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| 06:18.50 | Slaxxer | i guess u are switching the sim back a forth to test correct? |
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| 06:29.51 | CosmicDuck | I've used both sims before in my other neo without an problem |
| 06:29.52 | CosmicDuck | I will check twice. |
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| 06:48.05 | CosmicDuck | Both sims are working on my first neo. On the second (the new one) they won't work. Looks like a problem to find a sim. Any what now? |
| 06:48.32 | Slaxxer | sounds like a bad phone |
| 06:49.15 | daniel32708 | Guys, I have a freerunner with SHR, I am trying to make a script which prints a message in the terminal ( vala-terminal ) whenever the terminal is started. In ubuntu and other distros , the script would have to be added in the file /home/user/.bashrc do you know where the equivalent file in SHR is? |
| 06:49.51 | Slaxxer | a list of serial #,s of defective phones would be a smart thing to do |
| 06:51.09 | CosmicDuck | 8a8906439 |
| 06:51.13 | ndnihil | daniel32708: /etc/profile |
| 06:53.01 | CosmicDuck | I must go to my horse for 2 hours. I will come back. |
| 06:53.22 | daniel32708 | thx ndnihil |
| 06:55.14 | daniel32708 | in SHR which is the standard editor? like vim, gedit, etc ? |
| 06:55.24 | Slaxxer | nano? |
| 06:55.43 | ndnihil | vi |
| 06:55.48 | ndnihil | vim is optional |
| 06:57.01 | Slaxxer | nano is there |
| 06:57.25 | daniel32708 | thx |
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| 07:21.33 | Slaxxer | http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/comment/0,1000002985,39714325,00.htm |
| 07:22.27 | Slaxxer | wifi wiz |
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| 07:31.55 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: gsm firmware version? |
| 07:32.20 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: ah, sorry, read the backlog... |
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| 07:48.09 | blan | "Make sure your battery never discharges completely." is this issue still a problem? |
| 07:48.36 | daniel32708 | why was that an issue? what happened if it discharged completely? |
| 07:50.23 | blan | ...because the internal charging circuitry cannot be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work on A5 and early A6 devices |
| 07:51.00 | daniel32708 | so what did one do in such a case? |
| 07:51.34 | blan | i dont know |
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| 08:03.24 | blan | is the gps performance problem hardware fixed in the current version of OM? |
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| 08:14.26 | PaulFertser | blan: gps performance problem was fixed looong time ago |
| 08:14.27 | PaulFertser | blan: and capacitor on clock line was factory-installed on all A6s. |
| 08:14.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | which reminds me, I still need to aquire one of those caps. |
| 08:15.15 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: and yes, A5 couldn't be booted from usb power alone. Moreover current kernel won't boot on any device on usb power anyway. |
| 08:15.39 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: are you sure? There's no hard evidence they're required since we have enough workarounds in kernel. |
| 08:16.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: would be nice to have both freerunners in the same hardware configuration (iirc ones a5, one a6) |
| 08:16.38 | blan | PaulFertser, thanks - are there any problems that could prevent me from buying OM? |
| 08:17.18 | PaulFertser | blan: if you're hacker, no. If you're "end-user", then the FR is not for you. |
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| 08:18.27 | blan | PaulFertser, i want to use it for OSM (GPS) and little Linux-Smartphone |
| 08:18.32 | PaulFertser | blan: of course you're aware that it doesn't support EDGE (plain old gprs), wifi is not 100% compatible with all APs out there, the headset output lacks bass completely, A5, A6 revisions require buzz-fixing, etc. |
| 08:20.03 | blan | hm okay |
| 08:21.29 | PaulFertser | blan: and that you won't get more than ~70hrs suspend time with GSM on (until you apply #1024 hardware fix) and that in reality it comes down to ~2 days of actually using it. Battery lasts for ~8hrs of GPS mapping. |
| 08:21.44 | daniel32708 | i love my freerunner |
| 08:21.56 | daniel32708 | i have an a6 but it didnt requiere any buzz fix |
| 08:22.02 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: that's a lie |
| 08:22.06 | blan | buzz fix = ? |
| 08:22.20 | daniel32708 | i am not a lier |
| 08:22.24 | daniel32708 | so dont call me that |
| 08:22.32 | daniel32708 | and yes, i didnt need any |
| 08:22.33 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: the fact you don't have issues with buzz yet means only that you're lucky to not be in a place where it surface. |
| 08:22.41 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: i didn't call you a lier! |
| 08:22.41 | daniel32708 | yes |
| 08:22.54 | daniel32708 | and hence i dont need any buz fix |
| 08:22.58 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: you said your FR didn't require any buzz fix, not you, but your FR. |
| 08:23.29 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: while my experience tells me that any FR (prior to A7) requires buzz fix. The fact _you_ don't need it proves nothing. |
| 08:23.50 | blan | so i can buy A7? |
| 08:23.55 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: well, s/lie/inaccurate information/, ok? ;) |
| 08:24.18 | PaulFertser | blan: yes, you can. But wired headset will still have buzz, so it's not directly usable for GSM. |
| 08:25.01 | blan | i think i dont need GSM :) |
| 08:25.19 | daniel32708 | To any who is concerned: I live in Costa Rica, central america, in San Jose (capital city), my provider is the state-owned ICE, is a 1800Mhz.... i have an A6 and it reports no buzz. Other people with A6 here also do not report any buzz. |
| 08:25.21 | PaulFertser | blan: "and little Linux-Smartphone" |
| 08:25.46 | blan | okay lets tell it a little linux-device |
| 08:25.47 | blan | :) |
| 08:26.00 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: i hope you know who actually can hear the buzz when it appears, don't you? |
| 08:26.42 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: also you might travel somewhere and then when it appears out-of-nowhere you'll be unpleasantly surprised. |
| 08:27.04 | daniel32708 | We have done: A6 to homephone, A6 to cellphone, A6 to A6, A6 to A7, and viceversa, no one hears any buzz |
| 08:27.42 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: ok, you'le lucky to be in a place like that then. That means _you_ don't need buzz-fix unless you're going to travel. |
| 08:27.42 | daniel32708 | I have also gone to places far from the city, in the country side, and also no buzz reported by the other person |
| 08:28.23 | daniel32708 | yes, my country rules |
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| 08:30.18 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: please take no offence. I occasionally call "inaccurate information" to be a "lie" but that doesn't implies that the person saying is a lier. E.g. i tell you some news i saw on TV, that'd be obviously lies but it doesn't make me a lier. |
| 08:31.38 | daniel32708 | dont worry man, its all right |
| 08:33.28 | daniel32708 | am I the only one who has reported that? |
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| 08:35.49 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: tbh i don't remember other reports about Costa Rica. OTOH i might have forgotten because i think that every FR that is used as a phone should be buzz-fixed just in case, unless its owner really knows that he won't have troubles with buzz because he won't move/travel somewhere where the buzz always appears. |
| 08:36.01 | blan | hrm i am indecisive |
| 08:38.49 | PaulFertser | blan: are you comfortable with *nix command line? |
| 08:38.58 | blan | PaulFertser, yes |
| 08:39.30 | PaulFertser | blan: then i guess you'll like FR. Despite hardware problems and software immaturity, it's still GNU/Linux in your pocket. |
| 08:39.40 | daniel32708 | but I mean reports from other countries |
| 08:40.26 | blan | PaulFertser, are there really big hardware problems? |
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| 08:41.41 | daniel32708 | i wouldnt say there are any real big hardware problems, only the a6 buzz |
| 08:41.44 | daniel32708 | a5 aand a6 |
| 08:41.48 | PaulFertser | blan: i've just told about all i know. I don't consider them big. I have buzz fix, bass fix and #1024 fix applied. If you have someone who can solder you'll apply those too when you need it. |
| 08:41.56 | daniel32708 | but that can be fixed if u have that problem |
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| 08:42.29 | blan | how i have to fix buzz and bass? |
| 08:42.46 | daniel32708 | there is a wiki explaining how |
| 08:42.54 | PaulFertser | blan: bass fix is quite experimental, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix |
| 08:43.29 | PaulFertser | blan: for buzz fix there's cool PDF document with description and photos, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
| 08:44.14 | PaulFertser | blan: for #1024 i can provide all information needed (if it's not obvious) on request, there's no wikipage about it (yet). |
| 08:44.28 | blan | what is #1024? |
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| 08:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | BOOO |
| 08:46.23 | PaulFertser | blan: roughly speaking you can't put gsm modem to deep sleep because it looses network when wakes up. This lowers suspend time from ~140 to ~70hrs. |
| 08:46.52 | blan | hrm |
| 08:46.57 | blan | okay |
| 08:47.22 | blan | so and if i dont use gsm? |
| 08:47.30 | PaulFertser | blan: but if you don't use GSM, it doesn't matter. |
| 08:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: how's lifw, bro? |
| 08:48.22 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: heh, ok, nothing unusually good or bad :) How's yours? |
| 08:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | sleepy ;-) |
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| 08:49.33 | PaulFertser | I wanted to get up at 9-30am today, in fact left bed at ~12am :) So i'm almost not sleepy already :D |
| 08:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm so you're gmt+3? |
| 08:50.51 | blan | PaulFertser, how can i find out which version of OM i buy? |
| 08:50.59 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: indeed gmt+3, UTC+4 currently (DST) |
| 08:51.09 | PaulFertser | blan: your distributor must tell you. |
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| 08:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | blan: most easy: disassemble device (front lid) and look at silk screen print next mic |
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| 08:52.40 | blan | DocScrutinizer, disassemble? i dont own it i want to buy it only |
| 08:53.11 | PaulFertser | You'll also want a torx screwdriver to disassemble. |
| 08:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | then specify what you want to buy, or ask what reseller is offering |
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| 08:54.38 | blan | yes |
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| 08:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | blan: btw, a short nomenclatura: OM the inc. produces hardware in 2 flavours. both are called Neo, firstname (asian style ;-) FreeRunner and 1973. Both run OM the distro for OS, among debian, android, and others |
| 08:58.53 | blan | okay, thanks. important for me is debian / gentoo, gps and wifi |
| 08:59.24 | blan | is the touchscreen comfortable with xfce or gnome? |
| 08:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | so you might want to buy a neo FR from OM, and replace OM2007 with gentoo ;-) |
| 09:00.56 | daniel32708 | buy a 1973 lol |
| 09:01.09 | blan | why a 1973? |
| 09:01.16 | daniel32708 | just kidding hehe |
| 09:01.22 | daniel32708 | its old |
| 09:01.26 | daniel32708 | not being sold anymore |
| 09:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | daniel32708: PaulFertser would like to do that. Seems incredibly difficult to find any |
| 09:01.45 | daniel32708 | u can buy an A6 from openmoko for $250 |
| 09:01.59 | daniel32708 | neo freerunner a6 |
| 09:02.25 | daniel32708 | if u buy 3 , then they will cost 220 and they will give u a free dbord |
| 09:02.42 | daniel32708 | if u buy 5, they will cost 200 each and give u 2 dboards |
| 09:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | hugs his gta01 |
| 09:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | hugs his sony scoopman |
| 09:04.14 | blan | "PCB Revision A7 solves Buzz issue right from factory" |
| 09:04.18 | blan | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner |
| 09:04.30 | daniel32708 | why does PaulFertser want to buy an 1973? |
| 09:05.12 | daniel32708 | blan where are u from? |
| 09:05.20 | blan | Germany |
| 09:05.40 | daniel32708 | i wonder if OM ships there |
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| 09:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | blan: duh, we got the best resellers in the world here in good o'Germany |
| 09:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | goldelico, pulster, trisoft |
| 09:06.45 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: to be able to fix hardware and software problems. |
| 09:07.01 | Wonka | FR from pulster for 199EUR... |
| 09:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | A6 that is |
| 09:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | with buzzfix |
| 09:08.20 | daniel32708 | PaulFertser how about ebay? |
| 09:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | daniel32708: pointer? |
| 09:09.16 | blindcoder | I got my FR from http://handheld-linux.com/ |
| 09:09.28 | daniel32708 | not now, but if u check constantly u might find it |
| 09:09.42 | blindcoder | they're sitting in oberhaching near munich |
| 09:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | blindcoder: that's pulster, no? |
| 09:10.38 | blindcoder | DocScrutinizer: don't think so |
| 09:11.02 | blindcoder | DocScrutinizer: pulster.de |
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| 09:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | then goldelico, or trisoft |
| 09:11.20 | blindcoder | DocScrutinizer: handheld-linux.com is a company called golden delicious |
| 09:11.30 | blindcoder | I bought from them because my employer is also in oberhaching ;) |
| 09:12.10 | Wonka | works 20m away from getdigital.de |
| 09:12.35 | blindcoder | Wonka: I live 20m from a getdigital reseller ;) |
| 09:12.46 | blan | hrm.. what can i do if the battery is completly discharged? |
| 09:12.51 | blindcoder | so I just call him and tell him to brign over some stuff ;) |
| 09:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | blan: (bat) please check very comprehensive wiki for that |
| 09:13.48 | Wonka | blindcoder: i can order on getdigitaal.de for takeaway and be there 5min later |
| 09:14.06 | Wonka | -a |
| 09:14.35 | daniel32708 | good nite people |
| 09:15.08 | blan | DocScrutinizer, "On more recent FreeRunners, this problem has been fixed and nothing special need be done." |
| 09:15.29 | blan | so the A7 can handle it? |
| 09:15.43 | blindcoder | Wonka: also nice ;) |
| 09:16.11 | PaulFertser | blan: A6 and A7 are the same wrt booting with flat battery. |
| 09:16.48 | Wonka | but right now i'd like a ui toolkit in python for X11 that's actually available on debian amd64 and SHR |
| 09:16.55 | blan | PaulFertser, okay so i dont care about it? |
| 09:16.58 | blindcoder | Wonka: gtk? |
| 09:17.42 | PaulFertser | blan: yes |
| 09:17.46 | blindcoder | I'm still getting used to gtk and python. new language, new ui toolkit, and a big app to write :/ |
| 09:17.56 | Wonka | elementary at least is not available on debian... |
| 09:17.56 | Wonka | blimight work... |
| 09:18.06 | Wonka | anyone got a gtk tutorial somewhere? |
| 09:18.09 | Wonka | <- lazy |
| 09:18.22 | Wonka | blindcoder: what are you writing? |
| 09:18.24 | blindcoder | Wonka: frag tante google :P |
| 09:18.39 | blindcoder | Wonka: an offline application for the hackers diet |
| 09:18.52 | Wonka | oh, hf |
| 09:18.56 | blindcoder | thanks :) |
| 09:19.06 | Wonka | will^Wwants to try to write some GPS app |
| 09:19.37 | Wonka | tangogps and omgps both lack some things |
| 09:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: blan: (A6 / A7) nope, on A7 we have 100uF for vsys-buffer -> boot always. A6 has 47uF iirc which mostly boots on flat bat, but not always |
| 09:19.59 | Wonka | omgp's satellite display is competely bogus... |
| 09:20.19 | blan | DocScrutinizer, okay thanks |
| 09:20.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ah, i thought A6 had that fixed for sure... |
| 09:20.57 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: anyway that doesn't matter until we have kernel booting in 100mA which we don't yet. |
| 09:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: for charging flat bat from wallcharher you bet it matters |
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| 09:22.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry but i don't understand how to do that exactly |
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| 09:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: wake up, man! ;-) plug A7 to wallcharger, watch it autoboot and start charging flat bat |
| 09:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | try to do that with A5 |
| 09:25.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: autoboot with u-boot? Does u-boot detect charger? |
| 09:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 09:26.34 | Wonka | one day... i have to do some of the fixes on my FR too... |
| 09:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | or at least it doesn't care to set usb_curlim to 100mA |
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| 09:27.08 | PBeck | hi |
| 09:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ATM the whole 100mA thing is so fubar it actually makes FR charge at 500mA from whatever source of power you hook to USB :-P |
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| 09:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: andy, werner, balaj and others tweaked uBoot and MBC driver so much (without ever testing) so now it all is "broken to a fixed state" |
| 09:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | almost |
| 09:30.56 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i don't much care about u-boot, you know ;) As to the in-kernel drivers, they seem to work as expected currently. If not, that's a bug to fix. |
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| 09:49.14 | jaj | is the fso documentation outdated? |
| 09:49.37 | jaj | I mean I don't have a namespace like org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP |
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| 10:16.26 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5450 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0014/ ecn0014/U4905-circuit.png ecn0014.txt): |
| 10:16.26 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - ECN0014: added motivation and replacement part number |
| 10:16.26 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - ECN0014: added Joerg's BQ24314DSG design |
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| 10:51.09 | CosmicDuck | PaulFertser: I'm back before I will go to holiday. Old was moko-8, I mean now it's moko-11. |
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| 10:59.06 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5452 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0014.txt: - ecn0014: clean up VBAT and discuss naming of nUSB_OC net |
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| 11:06.27 | CosmicDuck | at+cgmr |
| 11:06.29 | CosmicDuck | +CGMR: "GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11" |
| 11:06.40 | CosmicDuck | Any idea how i can check more? |
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| 11:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | CosmicDuck: what do you want to check? |
| 11:11.58 | CosmicDuck | Ok, possible someone has not seen my description in my backlock. I will repeat: |
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| 11:14.14 | CosmicDuck | I've got two days ago my second Neo. The gsm ist not working properly. Neo cannot connect to it. I've flashed the whole Neo now to 2009 with qi and moko11 firmware, but the problem still exit (used uSD update procedure). |
| 11:14.16 | CosmicDuck | Errors at startup: |
| 11:14.18 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service GSM: TimeOut" |
| 11:14.20 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service Gprs: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 11:14.21 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service TopBar: waiting for service Gprs failed" |
| 11:14.23 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service Audio: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 11:14.25 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service SIM: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 11:14.27 | CosmicDuck | "can't init service SMS: waiting for service GSM failed" |
| 11:14.28 | CosmicDuck | I've checked with sims from medion mobile (eplus) and t-online and are working on my first neo. On the second (the new one) they won't work. Looks like a problem to find a sim? |
| 11:14.57 | CosmicDuck | Any idea whats could be checked or should I send it back to my dealer for another phone? |
| 11:15.18 | ndnihil | dejavu |
| 11:15.39 | CosmicDuck | ndnihil: You've the same problem? |
| 11:15.51 | ndnihil | no, but I was here when you pasted the same thing earlier |
| 11:16.08 | ndnihil | I suggested re-seating the sim |
| 11:16.23 | ndnihil | but it seems your phone is broken |
| 11:17.08 | CosmicDuck | yes it's some hours ago and the only answer was, possible broken. Re-seatting I've tried a couple of times now (by changing the sim with my other neo) |
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| 11:17.37 | ndnihil | is the sim carrier on the new one "loose" compared to the old one? |
| 11:19.01 | CosmicDuck | I't is looks like the same. The sim and the carrier looks like non-switched |
| 11:19.29 | CosmicDuck | with the pcb |
| 11:28.32 | BillK_ | CosmicDuck: check bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2257 - some things to try and narrow it down |
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| 11:38.08 | CosmicDuck | thanks. will do this. |
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| 11:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | cosmic gone... bah |
| 11:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, so /me -> brunch and enjoy sun |
| 11:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | tell cosmic he should probably contact his dealer, if ever he returns to this #chan |
| 11:53.19 | SpeedEvil | moko8 - won't that be neo1973 - therefore probably not from dealer? |
| 11:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how and why people don't test the device original ootb state for function prior to flashing Qi |
| 11:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: huh? |
| 11:54.36 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 11:54.42 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't read all of the scroll |
| 11:54.47 | SpeedEvil | ignore me |
| 11:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | k :-) |
| 11:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 11:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what "The sim and the carrier looks like non-switched" might mean |
| 11:57.22 | Wonka | eh, what? |
| 11:57.48 | SpeedEvil | CosmicDuck: I't is looks like the same. The sim and the carrier looks like non-switched |
| 11:57.48 | SpeedEvil | CosmicDuck: with the pcb |
| 11:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen cosmicduck |
| 11:58.16 | apt | cosmicduck <n=chatzill@p578b5cf2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 20m 8s ago, saying: 'thanks. will do this.'. |
| 11:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | oops, /ignore didn't work XD |
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| 12:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | PEBKAC |
| 12:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | or hw DOA |
| 12:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | so still PEBKAC |
| 12:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | as he didn't check with original bl and /, it seems |
| 12:02.38 | SpeedEvil | ./proc10;./proctowel |
| 12:02.38 | SpeedEvil | argh |
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| 12:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | ./proctowel sounds good, somewhat like Doug Addams |
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| 12:06.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to get my ISP to sort out my DSL finally - both connections are going fown some 30-60 minutes/day at midnightish. |
| 12:06.42 | SpeedEvil | And the above are the logfile processor scripts that I was typing blind because my eyes are tired. |
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| 12:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart SpeedEvil's ISP |
| 12:08.18 | apt | decapitates SpeedEvil's ISP conan the destroyer style |
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| 12:12.35 | SpeedEvil | has left the room. (Ping timeout) |
| 12:12.38 | CVirus | ls |
| 12:12.42 | CVirus | oops :S |
| 12:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | cat /etc/shadow |
| 12:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
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| 12:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | thinks many IrC users seem to have a auto_toFront/setfocus configured on their clients |
| 12:17.42 | SpeedEvil | Naah. I have a trackpoint. And very occasionally bang it - clicking to raise while typing |
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| 12:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | has disabled the fsckng trackpad |
| 12:32.42 | SpeedEvil | trackpoint. |
| 12:32.50 | SpeedEvil | no touchpad |
| 12:33.09 | SpeedEvil | It'd be ideal - I just want a way to disable it if I've been typing in the last 100ms. |
| 12:33.13 | SpeedEvil | (the click) |
| 12:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, the synaptics-tool doesn't work anymore (obslete or sth). so I did (in KHotKeys): Ctrl-Alt-Q: synclient -l|grep "TouchpadOff.*=.*0" && synclient TouchpadOff=1 || synclient TouchpadOff=0 |
| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: dunno if you find anything useful for your trackpoint issue in that |
| 12:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
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| 12:55.53 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: write daemon for that :D |
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| 13:06.23 | SpeedEvil | I need to understand first the new input structure of X. |
| 13:06.30 | SpeedEvil | They changed it while I wasn't looking. |
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| 13:15.51 | laotseu | using SHR 20090808, i can't turn bluetooth thru shr-settings (BT section is empty), hcitool dev replies "Devices: " |
| 13:16.31 | laotseu | is there a knwon issue / can I turn it on through console ? |
| 13:17.14 | SpeedEvil | hcitool will not know unless you've turned on the USB device |
| 13:17.24 | SpeedEvil | the bluetooth is not powered |
| 13:17.51 | laotseu | SpeedEvil: i think so, how can I turn it on ? |
| 13:18.47 | SpeedEvil | I don't know the proper way - echo 1 > /sys/wherever used to be the right way - but that's not really what you want. |
| 13:19.04 | SpeedEvil | It should as I understand it be turn-onnable |
| 13:19.12 | SpeedEvil | thought hte interface |
| 13:19.34 | jaj | you can turn it on is shr-settings |
| 13:20.13 | laotseu | jaj: i can't, in SHR settings the BT section is empty |
| 13:21.16 | laotseu | will try to reboot maybe |
| 13:22.52 | jaj | have you upgraded recently? |
| 13:24.31 | laotseu | i've flashed SHR 20090808 yesterday and done some modifications this morning, maybe it comes from that |
| 13:24.40 | laotseu | it's rebooting |
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| 13:29.17 | laotseu | great, the BT option is now available! |
| 13:29.50 | Wonka | "BT" option"? |
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| 13:34.41 | laotseu | bluetooth |
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| 13:43.19 | PaulFertser | laotseu: hey |
| 13:43.23 | PaulFertser | laotseu: i know the proper method |
| 13:43.35 | PaulFertser | laotseu: please read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources |
| 13:43.38 | PaulFertser | laotseu: twice ;) |
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| 13:45.13 | laotseu | PaulFertser: :) it works now, i'm just trying to pair my beautiful (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/) headset :) |
| 13:45.39 | PaulFertser | laotseu: it doesn't matter. I still strongly advice to read that page. |
| 13:45.56 | PaulFertser | laotseu: it is really important to understand thet concept of resources. |
| 13:46.11 | laotseu | i'm reading it :) |
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| 13:49.18 | PaulFertser | laotseu: do you really have that mad awesome stuff? :O Cool! |
| 13:49.47 | laotseu | PaulFertser: yeah, just received it today |
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| 13:50.13 | laotseu | will send them a "customer action shot" to promote the freerunner ;) |
| 13:50.42 | PaulFertser | laotseu: btw, freerunner can charge the headest as it has a usb host :) |
| 13:51.00 | laotseu | yes that's great ! |
| 13:51.39 | SpeedEvil | It's also cheap. |
| 13:51.50 | SpeedEvil | But they could have put a bigger battery in! |
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| 13:52.35 | PaulFertser | laotseu: but using bluetooth headset for gsm is not quite ready yet, it's a bit too difficult (requires writing some script to restart frameworkd and ophonekitd) to switch between handset and bluetooth modes. Also you need to do a special trick after resume to "reassociate" with the headset. |
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| 14:03.55 | Kero | in the 2.6.24 kernel sources for jbt6k74: /* FIXME: deep standby causes WSOD on certain devices. We use sleep as workaround */ |
| 14:04.47 | Kero | thinks he should patch 2.6.29 and try whether that makes a difference... |
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| 14:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/80ce/detail/ love it |
| 14:16.16 | SpeedEvil | wants a 0-4MHz one. |
| 14:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | alas it doesn't contain a simple WiFi AP/client functions as it seems |
| 14:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 0MHz?? o.O |
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| 14:16.47 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it's probably a reflashed ordinary dongle. |
| 14:17.03 | SpeedEvil | To find the cause of my DSL problems. |
| 14:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and they earn treasures on it at 99bucks/1 |
| 14:17.13 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it's an external RF source of some sort. |
| 14:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | but still they deserve it |
| 14:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | they earn it |
| 14:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (DSL) very common problem are shortwave broadcast, and ground-loops |
| 14:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | poweline |
| 14:19.07 | SpeedEvil | yea |
| 14:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | which is eating up the whole shortwave spectrum and drives your radio amateur neighbour mad |
| 14:20.15 | SpeedEvil | not powerline DSL |
| 14:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | nah, you can buy those idiotic network-powerline adapters |
| 14:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | http://hantzundpartner.com/corinex/index.html#modems |
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| 14:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | your friendly HW-consultant strongly deprecates to ever use that shit |
| 14:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | or prepare for riots against you by your upset neighbours |
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| 14:33.15 | blindcoder | DocScrutinizer: as a hardware/radio idiot, why is powerline stuff bad? |
| 14:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | blindcoder: it's a spread-spectrum technology, which means it will emmit RF noise in a range from 100KHz to several MHz, and it uses your complete mains cabling for a very effective antenna to boost out that bulls^H^H^H^H noise |
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| 14:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | blindcoder: don't think about enjoying shortwave broadcast if you or your neighbour operate one of those |
| 14:37.28 | SpeedEvil | And AM radio too |
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| 14:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | thanks, that's the word I missed so badly |
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| 14:45.10 | damkor | hi |
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| 14:49.22 | blindcoder | DocScrutinizer: I see... ouch :( |
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| 15:04.09 | damkor | hi |
| 15:04.28 | damkor | does anyone use matchbox under debian with the fr? |
| 15:06.17 | PBeck | ask your problem ;) |
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| 15:10.37 | damkor | well, the problem is that the screen goes off after a few seconds, and the only thing I can do to turn it on is to press the power button, force a suspend, and then press it again to bring it back. Pressing the Aux button turns the screen on, but the little lock in the top bar has a red key |
| 15:10.52 | damkor | so it does not respond to touching the screen |
| 15:11.09 | damkor | so: how do I unlock the screen when locked |
| 15:11.26 | damkor | or: is there anything I can do from command line when this happens? |
| 15:13.25 | blindcoder | in shr unlocking is done by pressing the aux key |
| 15:13.32 | blindcoder | dunno about debian |
| 15:17.22 | lindi | damkor: how do you lock the screen? |
| 15:17.48 | damkor | not on purpose, just because I do not touch anything for a minute or so |
| 15:18.04 | lindi | damkor: yep but what program do you use for that? |
| 15:18.28 | damkor | I do not know how to answer that |
| 15:18.51 | damkor | what program could I be using for that? |
| 15:18.57 | lindi | damkor: zhone? |
| 15:19.12 | damkor | well, zhone seems to have it's own locking mechanism |
| 15:19.20 | damkor | the whole 1234 panel thing |
| 15:19.27 | lindi | damkor: yes |
| 15:19.35 | lindi | damkor: how could I know you were not talking about that? ;) |
| 15:19.47 | damkor | you couldn't :) |
| 15:20.10 | damkor | yeap, that part works ok, I don't know, but does zhone make the screen go off at some point? |
| 15:20.18 | damkor | like black off? |
| 15:20.48 | lindi | damkor: that'd frameworkd probably |
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| 15:21.32 | damkor | I tried disabling using the info in the wiki |
| 15:21.49 | damkor | like setting the idle_ keywords to 0 |
| 15:21.59 | damkor | and setting disabled to 1 in that module |
| 15:22.20 | damkor | to my own surprise, that didn't help |
| 15:22.31 | lindi | which wiki, which module? |
| 15:22.53 | damkor | openmoko's wiki, in the debian page, the suspend section |
| 15:24.19 | lindi | damkor: ok, does it do that if you don't run frameworkd? |
| 15:24.45 | damkor | hmm, I haven't tried that |
| 15:25.22 | damkor | but I did try sending a SIGCONT to frameworkd, and that seemed to help (I can't be sure of this, I sent the SIGCONT to other processes as well) |
| 15:27.43 | damkor | I'll be back later with some answers, thanks for your help |
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| 15:32.06 | Tanuva | definitely needs a better place for his wlan router... |
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| 15:45.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i think i've read a story how our ham-radio guys forced some stupid powerline-isp to shutdown by means of proving to our "fcc" they make bad things to ham-radio freq range. |
| 15:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | cooool. ham radio for the winners |
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| 15:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | powerline ISP is the most stupid thing I can think of |
| 15:48.36 | Wonka | that's because the HAMs were the primary user of that freq range... |
| 15:48.51 | PaulFertser | laotseu: so, have you managed to use your headset? Don't forget to add it to the list. |
| 15:49.28 | laotseu | PaulFertser: i can't manage to have it paired |
| 15:49.36 | Wonka | if the frequency usage plan is changed, they might have to take it |
| 15:49.42 | PaulFertser | laotseu: hm, how do you do that? |
| 15:49.56 | laotseu | tried using hcitool |
| 15:51.10 | PaulFertser | laotseu: wrong |
| 15:51.19 | PaulFertser | laotseu: what are you using as a reference? |
| 15:51.42 | PaulFertser | laotseu: the correct instructions are: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner |
| 15:52.04 | laotseu | various docs find describing usage of bluetooth headset with linux |
| 15:52.18 | PaulFertser | laotseu: almost all docs are old and bluez3-specific. |
| 15:52.32 | PaulFertser | laotseu: our wiki has some that are uptodate and blue4-compatible. |
| 15:53.06 | PaulFertser | laotseu: and it sounds funny but i'm some kind of bluez4-expert here, so feel free to ping me with problems after you read the wiki. |
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| 15:54.20 | laotseu | thanks ! |
| 16:00.26 | PaulFertser | jc: ping |
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| 16:08.04 | sushisan | I've a (simple) question about OE: I have my image recipe with some "things" inside that compile (in my case drivers for xserver). when I comment some of these insode and rerun bitbake continue to include the driver!!! --- How I can to rerun the package for remake the list in the image? |
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| 16:52.42 | PaulFertser | Hey, anyone has problems using bluetooth keyboard/mouse with FR? Can you check updated instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#HID_.28Human_Input_Device.29 ? |
| 16:53.41 | PaulFertser | I'm a bit uncertain when exactly uinput should be modprobed. Is it enough to modprobe it anytime or it should be done before connecting to the device or it should be done before even starting bluetoothd. |
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| 18:25.45 | fruct | hello all |
| 18:31.29 | fruct | why the shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 not have the opkg? |
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| 18:34.03 | PaulFertser | fruct: do you know what jffs2 is? |
| 18:34.17 | PaulFertser | fruct: and do you know what software package is? |
| 18:35.01 | fruct | it SHR package |
| 18:37.59 | PBeck | fruct: what is the opkg? |
| 18:38.15 | PaulFertser | fruct: ti narkoman? ;) |
| 18:38.37 | fruct | it test? for what? |
| 18:38.48 | PaulFertser | fruct: for sanity ;) |
| 18:39.00 | fruct | sam ti narkoman ))) |
| 18:39.07 | PaulFertser | fruct: ya znau ;) |
| 18:39.27 | PaulFertser | fruct: tolko ya ne upotreblyau nichego, menya s vozduha torkaet :D |
| 18:39.44 | fruct | ono i vidno =| |
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| 18:40.10 | PaulFertser | fruct: my jabber id is paulfertser@jabber.org feel free to contact me to get consultation in russia. |
| 18:40.17 | fruct | ti 4to na etom kanale delaesh |
| 18:40.17 | PaulFertser | s/russia/russian/ |
| 18:40.21 | fruct | ? |
| 18:40.25 | PBeck | private support strategy? :) |
| 18:40.35 | PBeck | for money? 5 dollar per minute :P |
| 18:40.45 | PaulFertser | PBeck: the guy obviously doesn't know enough english to be comfortable. I'm willing to help him. |
| 18:40.59 | PaulFertser | PBeck: and i consider spamming public channel with russian to be inappropriate :D |
| 18:41.03 | PBeck | PaulFertser: you are a good human :) |
| 18:41.32 | PBeck | PaulFertser: hey nobody is here :) |
| 18:41.36 | fruct | Sorry - english only =) |
| 18:41.37 | PaulFertser | fruct: ya voobshe-to v razrabotke uchastvuyu, v tom chisle yadra, zagruzchika i t d |
| 18:41.57 | azaghal_ | No idea why'd you call people 'narkoman', though... |
| 18:42.13 | PaulFertser | fruct: jffs is type of filesystem. The file you mentioned is an image of rootfs for FR |
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| 18:42.21 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: im obsessed with drugs obviously. |
| 18:42.27 | azaghal_ | Heheh |
| 18:44.31 | fruct | it rootfs has been flashed in my neo, but cant find the opkg after started |
| 18:44.36 | fruct | the SHR |
| 18:44.49 | PaulFertser | fruct: ah, know bug |
| 18:44.50 | PBeck | hum strange ;) |
| 18:44.52 | PaulFertser | fruct: use opkg-cl |
| 18:45.00 | PaulFertser | fruct: and do update, then upgrade |
| 18:45.15 | PBeck | PaulFertser: what is his problem? :) |
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| 18:45.49 | PaulFertser | PBeck: no idea, probably missing symlink opkg -> opkg-cl , was there for some time. |
| 18:46.40 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: do you know russian? |
| 18:47.20 | azaghal_ | I speak Serbian, which is close in some aspects, but I also studied Russian back in elementary and high school. |
| 18:47.32 | azaghal_ | I'm very sad I didn't learn it properly, though :/ |
| 18:47.51 | SpeedEvil | knows the usual 4 or 5 words. |
| 18:47.54 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: why? I can't see russian being generally useful. Only to read some russian books... |
| 18:48.13 | PBeck | PaulFertser: ah ok i understand now ;) |
| 18:48.19 | azaghal_ | Do you know who has the _best_ mathematics and physics books? |
| 18:48.36 | azaghal_ | And I'm not so sure it's not useful. Russia is a big market. |
| 18:48.55 | azaghal_ | And I generally like the sounding of language :) |
| 18:49.01 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: french |
| 18:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Counting htem - I think 8. |
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| 18:49.41 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: bourbaki |
| 18:49.42 | azaghal_ | PaulFertser: I'll probably learn French since I'll try to find a job there in spring, but to be honest I don't like the way it sounds much :) |
| 18:50.50 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: i've a good algebra book here by van der Varden. |
| 18:51.15 | azaghal_ | Ah, sorry. Yep, French mathematicians were very good back in 19th century as well. |
| 18:51.26 | azaghal_ | LaGruange (?), Decart, etc. |
| 18:51.42 | azaghal_ | Russian collections of problems are famous, though. |
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| 19:09.02 | azaghal_ | Nothing worse than dropbear being upgraded and cutting your upgrade command... |
| 19:09.40 | azaghal_ | Oh, no... I did it again. Forgot to run it inside of screen -.- |
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| 19:37.18 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5453 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/STATUS: - Moved ECNs 0003-0007 from "Discuss" to "Execute". |
| 19:37.43 | |Marco| | okay, that's the second time I've been whitescreen'd today while the FR was just sitting in blank screen mode with h1 |
| 19:39.11 | |Marco| | GSM is deactivated, WiFi connected, bluetooth I've got no idea about, GPS online constatly :/ |
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| 20:06.10 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: hi :) do you by any chance want to comment on my questions about gender equality? |
| 20:06.56 | SpeedEvil | I think the genders differ, and am very greatful for it. |
| 20:12.41 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'm thinking along the lines: if women just can't be good engineers why should they have voting rights? Or should i spend my time teaching them at university? We don't give voting rights to kids and we try not to teach those who can't pass admissions exams not to waste time and money (i don't beleive in this questionable statements, rather my logic suggests that and i write it for the sake of discussion). |
| 20:13.49 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: also first case from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_intelligence#Controversies looks exactly like unfair treatment by feminists and that doesn't exactly prove they're "equal", only that they have some force in current society. |
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| 20:16.32 | PaulFertser | Heh, he wanted to be proved wrong but instead was forced to resign without any proof and reason whatsoever. |
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| 20:48.27 | Kero | ok, booting self-compiled kernel. should be exact same version I was running before, testing whether everything works before patching jbt driver |
| 20:52.12 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5454 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (8 files): |
| 20:52.12 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added -std=gnu99 so that we can use "round" and M_PI |
| 20:52.12 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added unit status and selection (in lower right corner) |
| 20:52.12 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added automatic unit selection |
| 20:52.12 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - pointer coordinates are now shown with their unit |
| 20:52.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - updated display of X, Y, width, offset, and radius for unit selection |
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| 21:29.35 | Kero | good. gta01bv4 suspended. jbt only asleep. if it wakes up properly tomorrow, we can do more experiments. |
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| 21:31.34 | babamelone | Hi, the wiki says, one needs to disable the phone PIN of the SIM card to be able to use android. |
| 21:31.59 | babamelone | But how can I do this with the freerunner and why does the G2 handle this without keyboard |
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| 22:04.34 | daniel32708 | do you people have problems connecting a freerunner to wireless networks using mokonnect in shr? mine scans and sees the networks, but when i try to log in "timeout reached, connection failed".... any advice? |
| 22:06.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5455 10/trunk/eda/fped/dump.c: |
| 22:06.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - dump.c didn't complete vector names used in measurements, causing them to be |
| 22:06.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: lost and producing an invalid fpd file |
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| 22:28.19 | azaghal | Running the Debian install script from shr is incredibly slow process... Anyone had the same thing going? |
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| 22:29.44 | azaghal | Download of packages seems to be particulary slow :/ |
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| 22:36.41 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5456 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Started module collection with ATR0635 BGA96, 8x12 balls, 0.8 mm pitch. |
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| 23:25.11 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5457 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (Makefile delete.c inst.c kicad.c): |
| 23:25.11 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - Makefile: fixed odd indentation of "clean" target |
| 23:25.11 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - Makfile: added "install" and "uninstall" targets |
| 23:25.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when deleting the currently active frame reference, reset active_ref of the |
| 23:25.15 | CIA-52 | openmoko: frame, so that it can be set to a new value later |
| 23:25.17 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - during instantiation, circles were classified as arcs |
| 23:25.19 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - end point of KiCad circle didn't mirror the Y axis |
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