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| 00:14.22 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
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| 01:36.46 | hipitihop | how long does the following normaly take while ssh'ed in to fr ? "dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536" |
| 01:37.32 | hipitihop | never mind, it has returned now |
| 01:41.02 | SpeedEvil | 40s+? |
| 01:41.12 | hipitihop | although I get "invalid argument" when doing 'swapon /swapfile' as per SwapSpace page on wiki, any ideas ? |
| 01:42.57 | SpeedEvil | mkswap |
| 01:44.02 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil yep already did "mkswap /swapfile" and got "Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 67104768 bytes" |
| 01:44.56 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 01:45.25 | SpeedEvil | I suppose it's concievable your kernel has been compiled without swap support |
| 01:45.29 | SpeedEvil | you are root? |
| 01:45.37 | hipitihop | yes |
| 01:45.49 | hipitihop | standard shr-u |
| 01:48.07 | hipitihop | do I need to mount it first ? |
| 01:50.04 | hipitihop | I have created the fstab entry as per wiki also |
| 01:50.13 | hipitihop | any danger rebooting now ? |
| 01:50.26 | hipitihop | or will it barf if the swap is invalid |
| 01:54.28 | hipitihop | well trying to reboot seems ok although swapon reports "/swapfile has holes" |
| 01:55.38 | SpeedEvil | what fs is this on? |
| 01:57.37 | hipitihop | ssh'ed into fr as root aand following these instructions http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SwapSpace |
| 01:58.14 | hipitihop | the inserted sd card has ext3 |
| 01:58.47 | hipitihop | although I don't see from the instructions how /swapfile frefers to the sd card |
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| 05:28.52 | Undrwater | anyone here using uboot? |
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| 05:41.53 | ndnihil | I do |
| 05:42.05 | ndnihil | and well, most everybody with a FR does |
| 05:42.44 | ndnihil | also have qi on it |
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| 06:41.44 | Slaxxer | qi hurts my thumb less |
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| 06:53.43 | d-b | question how does one do iptables reverse from my neo to my laptop ? |
| 06:53.45 | d-b | mmm |
| 06:54.18 | lindi- | d-b: iptables reverse? |
| 06:55.16 | d-b | lindi-: yes iptables to shrae the net |
| 06:55.29 | d-b | share * |
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| 06:55.59 | d-b | iptables -P forward accept |
| 06:56.09 | d-b | and iptables -A postgrouing -t nat -j masquerade -s ??? |
| 06:56.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | same iptables you use going the other way, just swap the ip addies :) |
| 06:56.36 | d-b | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah i tried no worky |
| 06:56.49 | d-b | 10.64.64.64 is my ppp0 |
| 06:57.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | I don't have my setup scripts handy, or i'd pastebin them |
| 06:57.18 | d-b | Kamping_Kaiser: just need a few commands... |
| 06:57.33 | d-b | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 did that.. etc. |
| 06:57.52 | d-b | maybe its my gateways ? / rotues / |
| 06:58.01 | d-b | um.. |
| 06:58.16 | d-b | Kernel IP routing table |
| 06:58.17 | d-b | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 06:58.17 | d-b | 10.64.64.64 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 06:58.17 | d-b | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 06:58.17 | d-b | default 10.64.64.64 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 |
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| 06:58.33 | d-b | on my laptop i have 192.168.0.202 as my default route |
| 06:58.38 | d-b | im trying to ping 4.4.4.4 |
| 06:58.46 | d-b | oh nm :0 its worky |
| 06:58.50 | d-b | :) GG |
| 06:58.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ! |
| 06:58.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 06:59.03 | d-b | lulz |
| 06:59.18 | d-b | i thinks |
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| 09:11.41 | VoltageX | hi, any mods to make the SD card sit better in my FreeRunner? |
| 09:12.02 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: sit better? what's wrong with it now? |
| 09:12.49 | VoltageX | not very good contact, haven't been able to get it to mount |
| 09:13.06 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: i had the same without sim inserted |
| 09:13.23 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: so either insert sim or some mechanical equivalent. |
| 09:13.25 | VoltageX | ...I don't have a SIM |
| 09:13.26 | VoltageX | hmm |
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| 09:19.20 | Kerba | hi, I'm preparing an online survey about open source/open design and I need a few pre-testers to try out the survey and tell me how it works |
| 09:19.34 | Kerba | is someone willing to spend roughly 5 minutes answering a few questions? |
| 09:24.58 | VoltageX | root@om-gta02 ~ $ mount /media/card |
| 09:24.58 | VoltageX | mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist |
| 09:25.00 | VoltageX | :( |
| 09:26.06 | VoltageX | that's with a SIM in now, PaulFertser |
| 09:27.44 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: is it possible you lack partition table there? |
| 09:28.04 | VoltageX | formatted the card with vfat before. |
| 09:28.46 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: try fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
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| 09:36.37 | VoltageX | what....[21474577.755000] mmc1: new SDIO card at address 0001 |
| 09:36.38 | VoltageX | [21474595.170000] gta02_udc_command S3C2410_UDC_P_ENABLE |
| 09:36.38 | VoltageX | [21474705.565000] mmc1: card 0001 removed |
| 09:36.38 | VoltageX | ok, now the card is OK - the last line in dmesg is |
| 09:36.45 | VoltageX | [21474577.755000] mmc1: new SDIO card at address 0001 |
| 09:36.46 | VoltageX | [21474595.170000] gta02_udc_command S3C2410_UDC_P_ENABLE |
| 09:36.46 | VoltageX | [21474705.565000] mmc1: card 0001 removed |
| 09:36.46 | VoltageX | oops |
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| 09:36.57 | VoltageX | last line is new SDIO card. |
| 09:37.54 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: it's about wifi |
| 09:38.06 | VoltageX | ? |
| 09:38.10 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: wlan card is sdio connected to s3c24xx-mci |
| 09:38.28 | VoltageX | oh, so the sdhc card isn't detected? |
| 09:40.36 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: the sdhc card is connected to glamo-mci btw |
| 09:40.57 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: and i guess it's detected and becomes mmc0 |
| 09:41.02 | VoltageX | sigh |
| 09:41.08 | VoltageX | not detected then |
| 09:41.56 | VoltageX | what module? |
| 09:43.08 | VoltageX | the only mmc related module I can see is s3cmci.ko] |
| 09:43.58 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: it's statically compiled i think. Called glamo-mci |
| 09:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | consider boot from uSD |
| 09:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | no module |
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| 09:45.08 | VoltageX | DocScrutinizer: can't access SD now though? |
| 09:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | card borked? |
| 09:45.30 | VoltageX | card fine :P |
| 09:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | I had quite some cards that threw IO error and then "vanish" from kernel's view |
| 09:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | some of those were fine with other devices |
| 09:46.56 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: you might want to lower the mmc frequency. |
| 09:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | well kinda. It took longer to throw error and the card didn't vanish |
| 09:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | listen to PaulFertser |
| 09:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | check logread |
| 09:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | from very beginning |
| 09:48.10 | VoltageX | how do I lower the frequency? |
| 09:48.16 | VoltageX | (the card is 1mth old) |
| 09:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | (old) doesn't mean a thing |
| 09:49.05 | VoltageX | DocScrutinizer: ok, I'm 99% sure the card is good |
| 09:49.20 | VoltageX | works in Nokia N95, Nintendo DS etc etc |
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| 09:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: see my above note |
| 09:50.26 | VoltageX | ok, what do I grep logread for? |
| 09:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | my 16G "worked" in N95, until I asked for formatting which took forever then erred out |
| 09:51.29 | VoltageX | Jan 1 00:21:18 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [21474538.970000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 |
| 09:51.29 | VoltageX | does that indicate a broken card? |
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| 09:52.33 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: no |
| 09:52.45 | VoltageX | ok, so what next guys? |
| 09:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: tried 'mount'? |
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| 09:53.13 | VoltageX | root@om-gta02 / $ mount /media/card |
| 09:53.13 | VoltageX | mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist |
| 09:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | so NOW logread tail |
| 09:54.10 | VoltageX | Jan 1 00:41:26 om-gta02 daemon.err connmand[1277]: Element registration for /device/0012cf8f099b/000ce361a089 failed |
| 09:54.20 | VoltageX | same for 4 lines. |
| 09:54.29 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: clock options are described in comments here: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-mci.c;h=acf16360cfd3d6dd0d99a11098d640194f3cef99;hb=andy-tracking |
| 09:55.08 | VoltageX | I don't understand a single word of that, lol. |
| 09:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: eject card, remove card, reinsert card?? |
| 09:56.48 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: wrong, read the comments! |
| 09:57.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: that can be done with unbinding/binding glamo-mci. |
| 09:57.17 | VoltageX | glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 ? |
| 09:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | wonders ... heh exactly that |
| 09:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: |
| 09:58.07 | VoltageX | I'm not used to this device, I'm guessing I have to set max_clk differently but no idea how to do that. |
| 09:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: that's roundabout right topic, yes |
| 09:58.38 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: just add that string to the kernel cmdline |
| 09:58.55 | VoltageX | /boot/append-GTA02? |
| 09:59.08 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: are you Qi user? |
| 09:59.13 | VoltageX | shr |
| 09:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | Qi? |
| 09:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | bootloader |
| 09:59.23 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: if you boot from NAND, you have no good way to edit kernel cmdline with Qi. |
| 09:59.43 | tomcatek | have You tested, if there is any partition on this card? in fstab it is assumed, that there will be created first partition |
| 10:00.03 | tomcatek | but it is still possible not to create any |
| 10:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: did you change bootloader to Qi, or are U using uBoot? |
| 10:00.21 | VoltageX | one vfat partition |
| 10:00.22 | tomcatek | and work with that card |
| 10:00.27 | VoltageX | uBiit. |
| 10:00.47 | VoltageX | uBoot* |
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| 10:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | tomcatek: sure? my uSD often comes floppy-formated, so no partition at all |
| 10:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | even cfdisk borks on that when trying to read part-tab |
| 10:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | but it's mounted as vfat flawlessly nevertheless |
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| 10:02.35 | VoltageX | no luck with glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 |
| 10:02.36 | tomcatek | I'm using uSD without any partition |
| 10:03.06 | tomcatek | so it just is a matter of removing "p1" from fstab line |
| 10:03.14 | tomcatek | and it will be mounted |
| 10:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: try mounting mmcblock0 |
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| 10:04.19 | VoltageX | DocScrutinizer: no luck. |
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| 10:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | less -f /dev/mmcblock0 |
| 10:05.07 | VoltageX | there's no way to change max_clk at runtime? |
| 10:05.27 | tomcatek | tru mounting /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 10:05.38 | tomcatek | *try |
| 10:05.57 | VoltageX | mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0 does not exist |
| 10:06.16 | tomcatek | what devices do You have in /dev? |
| 10:06.36 | tomcatek | starting with mmc |
| 10:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | ls -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 10:07.10 | VoltageX | http://pastebin.com/m483d0680 |
| 10:07.20 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: how did you change kernel command line? |
| 10:07.44 | VoltageX | /boot/GTA02-append |
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| 10:08.27 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: u-boot doesn't give a shit about that |
| 10:08.27 | VoltageX | f*** |
| 10:08.28 | PaulFertser | VoltageX: you can check with cat /proc/cmdline |
| 10:08.28 | VoltageX | how then? |
| 10:08.33 | VoltageX | no glamo parameter |
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| 10:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: no sysfs node? |
| 10:12.49 | VoltageX | so, how to add the boot parameter? |
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| 10:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: I don't dare to recommend to you u-boot-utils, as it's new as of yesterday and aiui completely untested |
| 10:16.10 | VoltageX | rargh. |
| 10:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | if you feel venturous the 'opkg install u-boot-utils; fw_printenv; fw_setenv bla=fooo |
| 10:16.25 | VoltageX | fine. |
| 10:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | classic way would be to log in to u-boot console, and edit env there. See wiki |
| 10:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: is there no sysfs node? |
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| 10:18.44 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added rounded pads |
| 10:18.44 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - initialize item_widget to NULL if not showing items or bad things happen |
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| 10:23.28 | voltagex | hi, sorry booted Linux now, what was the package for the uboot settings? |
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| 10:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | u-boot-utils |
| 10:27.35 | voltagex | can't find package? |
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| 10:37.16 | VoltageX_ | riiight |
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| 10:38.43 | VoltageX_ | u-boot-utils is where? |
| 10:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | in shr feed |
| 10:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | opkg update; opkg install u-boot-utils |
| 10:40.03 | VoltageX_ | k |
| 10:40.18 | VoltageX_ | it's very new? |
| 10:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | yesterday. told ya |
| 10:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: be aware messing with uboot env settings is kinda dangerous. No simple way to restore to defaults if you screwed things |
| 10:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: maybe you should do a backup of env partition via dfu-util |
| 10:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: but tbh I don't think your approach is the right vector to tackle that issue. |
| 10:45.37 | VoltageX_ | you suggest booting from SD? |
| 10:47.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: there's iirc |
| 10:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'd comment out the fstab line that causes mount of uSD on boot, then check what happens when you mount it "by hand" first time. watch logread. Find out about exact failure mode. THEN *maybe* change clock (even then I think you could do that runtime, not via kernel cmdline) |
| 10:48.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: VoltageX_ /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/ |
| 10:48.25 | VoltageX_ | I already pasted the last line of logread |
| 10:48.30 | VoltageX_ | hmmm |
| 10:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | see PaulFertser "there's iirc" (sysfs node to tweak clock runtime) |
| 10:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: last line? lol |
| 10:49.36 | VoltageX_ | last 4 lines were the same |
| 10:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | you need to check at least all the lines since you issued the mount cmd. and this is true for *first* mount only. So first of all stop mounting the uSD during boot |
| 10:50.34 | VoltageX_ | done, rebooting |
| 10:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | OR read *complete* logread |
| 10:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: do you /ignore PaulFertser ?? |
| 10:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | if you don't listen to him, we can't help you |
| 10:51.32 | VoltageX_ | what? |
| 10:51.47 | VoltageX_ | I commented the mount of uSD |
| 10:52.27 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: :) |
| 10:52.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/ for runtime tweaking |
| 10:52.43 | VoltageX_ | nothing written in logread when mounting by hand |
| 10:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | so next: scrutinize your logread for any msgs about /dev and mmc etc |
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| 10:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, have to run. sorry |
| 10:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 10:53.39 | VoltageX_ | cya |
| 10:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: your best bet is using a working uSD and learn how things should look like (in logread, mount, etc) then compare to the non-working |
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| 10:57.07 | VoltageX_ | I'll try a different card, we'll see |
| 10:57.13 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: i really advice you to try with lowered sd clock. |
| 10:57.34 | VoltageX_ | no one said to *lower* the clock! |
| 10:57.38 | VoltageX_ | what number? |
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| 11:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | I really advice to check if there's any uSD in there, and if it's correctly seated |
| 11:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 11:01.24 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: set max sd clock frequency to at most 10MHz |
| 11:01.41 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: pastebin your whole dmesg too. |
| 11:01.42 | tomcatek | gmesg | grep mmc ? |
| 11:02.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: why is TA not good enough to estimate distance to the BS? |
| 11:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | huh, it is |
| 11:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | s/dmesg/logread/ |
| 11:03.34 | VoltageX_ | whoa, *lots* of errors with a new SD card |
| 11:04.50 | VoltageX_ | ok, better |
| 11:04.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i remember some talks about TA and openbmap logging and triangulating etc... |
| 11:05.03 | VoltageX_ | now I have a mmcblk0, with a bad superblock |
| 11:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I was the guy to point out usefulnes of TA |
| 11:07.09 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: oh, you have to run! |
| 11:07.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: sorry, cya :) |
| 11:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002434.html, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 11:08.33 | VoltageX_ | http://pastebin.com/mbcda7fd |
| 11:12.28 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: ok, ensure good electrical connection to you card and try to lower the clock |
| 11:14.12 | VoltageX_ | PaulFertse: to 10000? |
| 11:14.39 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: MHz |
| 11:14.47 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: not kHz |
| 11:15.22 | VoltageX_ | sorry, what number? |
| 11:15.26 | VoltageX_ | 1000? |
| 11:15.48 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: 10^7 |
| 11:16.46 | VoltageX_ | now root@om-gta02 /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters $ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 11:16.46 | VoltageX_ | Unable to read /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 11:18.16 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: have you changed the freq? It should work immediately runtime. If 10^7 is too much, try 10^6 |
| 11:23.50 | VoltageX_ | 100+ lines of errors from glamo now that I reseated the card |
| 11:23.57 | VoltageX_ | card is in nicely, with SIM on top. |
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| 11:26.08 | VoltageX_ | no good with 10^6 |
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| 11:34.13 | VoltageX_ | I wonder what to do now. |
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| 11:34.50 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: is it the new device you use? Do you have 512Mb card that usually comes with that? |
| 11:35.04 | VoltageX_ | :| a 512mb card came with that? |
| 11:35.13 | VoltageX_ | A6 revision... |
| 11:36.15 | VoltageX_ | I've tried 2 8gb uSD cards, both Sandisk class 4 |
| 11:36.28 | VoltageX_ | one is not detected, one generates lots of errors. |
| 11:37.18 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: are the pins clean enough? No grease/whatever? |
| 11:37.28 | VoltageX_ | yeah it's all clean |
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| 11:40.38 | PaulFertser | VoltageX_: no idea then :( |
| 11:40.49 | VoltageX_ | :( |
| 11:40.56 | VoltageX_ | hardware problem? |
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| 11:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: try the 512MB uSD that came with your FR |
| 11:45.08 | VoltageX_ | DocScrutinizer: I didn't get one of those... |
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| 11:47.01 | Daramarak | VoltageX_:Might it be a compability problem, are the two sandisk cards of the exactly same type? |
| 11:47.14 | VoltageX_ | yes. |
| 11:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: try different brand of uSD then, possibly a 1GB class2 |
| 11:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | or a nokia 16GB, works great here ;-) |
| 11:48.52 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i wonder if my operator should tell me what cell BC messages they have |
| 11:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | usually phones have a "index", but beware it's worth nottin |
| 11:49.41 | PaulFertser | Index? |
| 11:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | only way: try enable channel for channel |
| 11:50.15 | PaulFertser | I did at+cscb=0,"0-9999","" |
| 11:50.39 | PaulFertser | No idea how frameworkd will show those |
| 11:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | no idea for calypso crap |
| 11:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | same for fso |
| 11:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | CB not yet implemented aiui |
| 11:51.40 | Daramarak | DocScrutinizer: You got a 16GB uSD card in your FR? ...drool... |
| 11:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | yo, and I got my manpages on that since yesterday ;-P |
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| 11:53.36 | VoltageX_ | Daramarak: 16GB uSD is $60AUD |
| 11:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | opkg install man man-pages |
| 11:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | ask your Nokia dealer. Mine was amazingly reasonably priced |
| 11:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | really competitive |
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| 12:07.43 | Daramarak | DocScrutinizer: I found one for 500NOK = 82$ Anyway my birthday is coming up, and guess what I am going to buy myself... |
| 12:08.24 | VoltageX_ | rage |
| 12:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | well mine was 50€ |
| 12:08.37 | VoltageX_ | I'll find a friend who can check the hardware here. |
| 12:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX_: find a friend with a different brand of uSD |
| 12:09.54 | Daramarak | DocScrutinizer: Norway doesn't always have the cheepest hardware. But at least my doctor is free :) |
| 12:10.51 | VoltageX_ | DocScrutinizer: 1gb no name brand (nokia?) |
| 12:11.13 | VoltageX_ | I've tried 2x 8gb and this 1gb |
| 12:11.23 | VoltageX_ | will try 16GB Kingston when it gets here |
| 12:11.32 | VoltageX_ | until then, back to my Nokia N95 :P |
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| 13:17.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=280&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44 - teeny n wifi - + linux. /me ponders for gta01 |
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| 13:22.20 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: how are you going to provide power? |
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| 13:24.11 | SpeedEvil | Again - same solution - strip out 3.3V regulator |
| 13:24.39 | SpeedEvil | I've found indications that this chipset supports suspend OK |
| 13:25.12 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if it supports the powersaving protocol that I've forgotten the name of that powers down the entire device for most of the time |
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| 13:29.15 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: hm, looks like the drivers are on its way upstream, right? But does it support monitor mode and injection? |
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| 13:30.51 | SpeedEvil | dunno - only just saw it in my local cheap PC parts e-store - and was wondering |
| 13:34.44 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: "The rtxxxx vendor drivers are considered a dead end by the |
| 13:34.44 | PaulFertser | linux-wireless developers (just try to read the code and you would now |
| 13:34.44 | PaulFertser | why), the plan is to get rt2800pci and rt2800usb into shape and get |
| 13:34.56 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: That's from http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/347703-rt2860-driver-fc11-2.html and some other stuff about that drivers there |
| 13:38.09 | PaulFertser | fuck the stupid vendors :( |
| 13:38.30 | SpeedEvil | yeah. Still - even broken source is better than none. |
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| 14:39.20 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - kicad-wishlist: relative paths work now - removed item |
| 14:39.20 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - kicad-wishlist: printing issues may no longer exist (and are less urgent, |
| 14:39.20 | CIA-52 | openmoko: now that plotting has gotten so much better) |
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| 15:42.03 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:43.38 | Slaxxer | wassup |
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| 15:53.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when selecting an item in the canvas, we now check that the underlying object |
| 15:53.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: is still connected. This prevents surprises when making extensive changes |
| 15:53.24 | CIA-52 | openmoko: during instantiation failure. |
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| 16:31.33 | laotseu | c/c |
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| 16:46.37 | blan | hi, is freerunner a useful gps-device for openstreetmap? |
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| 16:49.13 | mjr | yes, as far as the battery goes |
| 16:49.20 | Undrwater | blan: maybe depends on how you mean useful |
| 16:50.20 | jurg | Anyone know if anyone in europe sells A7 / A6 with buzz fix? |
| 16:50.23 | Undrwater | blan: both tangogps and navit use OSM |
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| 16:56.20 | blan | Undrwater, okay thanks |
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| 17:42.00 | dos1 | PaulFertser: just now in public tv is news about imigrants from georgia |
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| 17:43.33 | dos1 | PaulFertser: some woman said something like that: "We emigrated when Russia atacked us, we were scared they can do that again" (poor translation) |
| 17:44.23 | Q-Master | dos1: that's crap |
| 17:44.36 | SpeedEvil | Problem there is that citezens may have a poor grasp of what's going on in any conflict |
| 17:44.41 | Q-Master | dos1: brain-fucking in georgia is too high |
| 17:45.21 | dos1 | Q-Master: well, i said that about some discussion which was there few days ago. PaulFertser asked how that conflict is presented in mass-media in other countries |
| 17:45.50 | Q-Master | ah. ok |
| 17:46.12 | Q-Master | mass media is 1 component of that brain fucking process. 8) |
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| 18:10.38 | Wonka | narf. |
| 18:10.50 | Wonka | no python-elementary in debian |
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| 18:24.13 | elopio | is there a soundrecorder for shr? |
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| 18:27.00 | ndnihil | tes |
| 18:27.01 | ndnihil | er |
| 18:27.02 | ndnihil | yes |
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| 18:31.07 | Undrwater | what's it called? |
| 18:31.52 | elopio | ndnihil, which one? |
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| 18:40.48 | ndnihil | dictator |
| 18:40.53 | ndnihil | opkg.org |
| 18:42.02 | Undrwater | i hope it's fixed :) |
| 18:42.13 | ndnihil | worked for me last time I tried it |
| 18:43.30 | Undrwater | did you record to sd? |
| 18:43.56 | ndnihil | dont recall |
| 18:44.34 | Undrwater | ok...last time i used it, it only recorded 1/2 of what i was trying to record |
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| 18:49.52 | elopio | thanks ndnihil |
| 18:49.59 | ndnihil | np |
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| 19:33.55 | PaulFertser | dos1: both Georgian and Russian mass-media are really after brain-washing, i believe. |
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| 19:35.12 | SpeedEvil | And the rest of the media are picking one side or the other - with little actual internal knowledge often. |
| 19:35.48 | SpeedEvil | I do wonder what happens when cameraphones and satellite internets and stuff gets even cheaper. |
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| 19:41.08 | PaulFertser | (OT) Guys, i've recently had a talk with my co-worker about one ex-scientific organisation we currently collaborate with on some stuff. He mentioned there're too many women in there. Being a strong believer in gender equality, i immediately asked: "Hey, what's wrong with that?" His answer was: "Well, have you ever seen a good female engineer?" And i must admit i haven't. Neither in RL, nor in free software community. I rarely see women among ordinar |
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| 19:41.14 | PaulFertser | ... contributors but that's all about it. WTF? :( |
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| 19:47.26 | thrashold | Is somebody running a FreeNode server on my laptop or what? :D |
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| 20:15.54 | Slaxxer | that may be changing |
| 20:18.07 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0b60adf5382c 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite-Contacts: fix typo in Department field, which may cause problems when editing |
| 20:18.55 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5378e404d0c6 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: Merge branch 'master' into dos/opimd-tracking |
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| 21:18.10 | Fossi | ahhh. it's driving me nuts |
| 21:18.19 | Fossi | i just want to flash android |
| 21:18.36 | rooly | no! don't say that! they'll come! |
| 21:18.54 | Fossi | but nano is segfaulting, so i have no editor on the phone |
| 21:18.54 | Fossi | wlan isn't working because of that |
| 21:19.06 | Fossi | usb wouldn't connect on my laptop, when i have wlan on |
| 21:19.11 | Fossi | it's madness |
| 21:19.18 | rooly | try cat >> /path/to/file << "EOF" |
| 21:19.28 | Fossi | rebooting... |
| 21:20.25 | PaulFertser | rooly: Oh fuck. Nano and android! Fossi, get the hell out of here! |
| 21:20.35 | ndnihil | hah |
| 21:20.38 | rooly | snickers |
| 21:20.52 | rooly | yeah, we don't need no stinkin text *editors* |
| 21:20.55 | PaulFertser | _really_ dislikes "nano" |
| 21:21.01 | rooly | cat and echo all the way, yo! |
| 21:21.15 | PaulFertser | nano for the nano-minded ;) |
| 21:21.23 | quatrox | loves vim |
| 21:21.28 | rooly | i prefer pico anyway |
| 21:21.30 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: please don't tell me you use emacs ? |
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| 21:21.41 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i use both vim and emacs. |
| 21:21.53 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I very much dislike emacs |
| 21:22.05 | rooly | SOOOooooo |
| 21:22.16 | Bert_2 | pico has been generally replaced by nano rooly (the pico command is a symlink to nano nowadays) |
| 21:22.21 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: well, that's a matter of taste but tell me how do you use all those GNU readline-integrated apps? |
| 21:22.23 | rooly | what's the likelihood of running winxp in qemu on the FR |
| 21:22.26 | rooly | Bert_2: i know this |
| 21:22.29 | rooly | 'twas the joke |
| 21:22.59 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i started emacs after i got familiar with the keybindings i had to learn anyway (to use bash and friends effectively). |
| 21:23.01 | Bert_2 | rooly: sorry, bit tired, not able to get humor |
| 21:23.30 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: the keybindings are the problem usually (I have the same issue with vi, but vi feels better) |
| 21:23.36 | rooly | pretty much sticks to ctrl-d and shift-insert |
| 21:23.48 | rooly | oh, and ctrl-c |
| 21:23.51 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: how come? You can switch readline to vi-keybindings why don't you do that? |
| 21:23.54 | rooly | i hate typing :wq! |
| 21:24.04 | rooly | especially in ksh |
| 21:24.04 | ndnihil | emacs is a great OS, all it needs is a decent text editor |
| 21:24.20 | Bert_2 | ndnihil: very suttle |
| 21:24.23 | Bert_2 | *subtle |
| 21:24.30 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it has vim mode if you prefer "modal" editing. |
| 21:24.35 | Fossi | reboot |
| 21:24.43 | rooly | robeet! |
| 21:24.59 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: never took the time to learn anything concerning it, usually just use nano and otherwise gedit |
| 21:25.09 | PaulFertser | Fossi: repent! |
| 21:25.10 | quatrox | hey |
| 21:25.13 | quatrox | all of you |
| 21:25.15 | quatrox | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 21:25.26 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: what about GNU readline??? |
| 21:26.46 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I thought that was a lib |
| 21:27.12 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: it is. Do you use the apps employing that lib so rarely that you don't need keybindings? |
| 21:27.56 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I stick to the simple keybindings that every app has and those of nano |
| 21:28.03 | Bert_2 | somehow I have been able to work that way |
| 21:28.09 | Bert_2 | although I don't know how exactly |
| 21:28.18 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: how to delete a word after the cursor? |
| 21:28.33 | Bert_2 | use delete key :P |
| 21:28.36 | rooly | yeah |
| 21:28.40 | rooly | i was bout to say |
| 21:28.49 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: how to move to the next word in line? |
| 21:28.54 | rooly | arrow |
| 21:28.56 | Bert_2 | use arrow key |
| 21:29.03 | Bert_2 | lol |
| 21:29.08 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: what about several words? |
| 21:29.13 | rooly | end |
| 21:29.21 | Bert_2 | arrows + home + end |
| 21:29.58 | Bert_2 | hates preparing his laptop, which is as powerful as his moko, for vacation |
| 21:29.59 | PaulFertser | Guys, i consider myself to be some sort of hacker, not a secretary. I prefer to learn some cool keybindings once and use them effectively everywhere. |
| 21:30.11 | PaulFertser | And effective and cool here are keywords. |
| 21:30.19 | rooly | PaulFertser: 's all about preference |
| 21:30.41 | rooly | IE, i prefer to use the same keystrokes that i've known since i was a kid |
| 21:30.45 | Bert_2 | most persons don't even know what the end and home key do |
| 21:31.01 | PaulFertser | rooly: that's called unhealthy conservatism ;) |
| 21:31.34 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i wish those stupid keys didn't exist. Useless. Have you seen "hacker's keyboard"? |
| 21:31.46 | PaulFertser | Happy Hacking Keyboard |
| 21:31.50 | rooly | PaulFertser: possibly, but when it allows me to keep my work rate up, i don't mind in the slightest. my output severly drops each time i try to learn a whole new set of keystroke commands for the simple task of inputting text |
| 21:32.05 | PaulFertser | rooly: that's my point |
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| 21:32.24 | rooly | PaulFertser: well, then that's why i don't like vim or emacs |
| 21:32.31 | rooly | and prefer nano |
| 21:32.40 | PaulFertser | rooly: there're 2 methods of editing text: modal (vi) and modeless (emacs). Both set of keybindings is established and widely used/known. |
| 21:32.47 | ndnihil | has been using vi(and later vim) since day one |
| 21:32.52 | PaulFertser | WTF nano doesn't follow any of those? Screw nano for eternity! |
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| 21:33.34 | ndnihil | I take that bad, in DOS days I used qedit |
| 21:33.38 | ndnihil | er |
| 21:33.41 | ndnihil | take it back |
| 21:33.45 | rooly | PaulFertser: i might understand needing advanced usage keystrokes if i were to be writing large text-file databases by hand |
| 21:33.50 | rooly | but i don't |
| 21:34.02 | Undrwater | latex? |
| 21:34.32 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: unrelated |
| 21:34.53 | PaulFertser | rooly: say you can't touchtype too |
| 21:35.52 | rooly | but i can |
| 21:35.56 | rooly | so its not an issue |
| 21:36.08 | PaulFertser | rooly: i know quite some people who use exactly your reasoning to not learn touch-typing. |
| 21:36.45 | rooly | ahh, well yeah, then that's a little stretching it |
| 21:37.05 | rooly | i don't need the advanced keystrokes because i don't need them. |
| 21:37.17 | rooly | if i ever do, i'll probably learn them because i'll have to |
| 21:37.44 | rooly | until then, i'm happy with page navigation keys like home and end and the arrows |
| 21:38.12 | rooly | but like i said before |
| 21:38.14 | rooly | 's all preferenctial |
| 21:38.18 | rooly | -c |
| 21:39.18 | PaulFertser | rooly: yeah-yeah, they say the same about touch-typing. And i learned touchtyping thrice: first russian, then qwerty, then dvorak. And i don't think that time was badly spent. |
| 21:40.04 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: would you argue that learning keybindings for vi/emacs is as necessary as learning to touch-type? |
| 21:40.16 | rooly | so i think the lesson here is: let people who prefer to remain in ignorance do so |
| 21:40.19 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: i would |
| 21:40.22 | rooly | or more accurately |
| 21:40.34 | rooly | "let people obstinate in their ignorance remain so" |
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| 21:40.59 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: for all typists? or for all linux users? or for all humans? |
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| 21:41.10 | rooly | and what about mac users |
| 21:41.22 | rooly | or reactos users |
| 21:42.03 | PaulFertser | rooly: i sometimes afraid of learning new stuff. But then i think, hell, i'm _not_ getting old! Screw everything, i'm diving in. |
| 21:42.47 | rooly | PaulFertser: i at one time had to learn vi keystrokes |
| 21:42.59 | rooly | i happily forgot them once i didn't have to use vi anymore |
| 21:43.03 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: for all. As i said practice showed that vi and emacs bindings are the most effective for modal and modeless editing. Moreover, there's no other choice in GNU readline. |
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| 21:44.06 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: i don't know what GNU readline is...but I'd argue that touch-typing as a skill generalizes much better than vi/emacs bindings...particularly in the non GNU populations |
| 21:44.11 | Undrwater | -s |
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| 21:45.18 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: don't you use programs with an interactive prompt? bash/bc/octave/gnuplot? |
| 21:46.00 | Undrwater | bash, yes, the others, no... |
| 21:46.30 | Undrwater | but i consider myself to be within the GNU population :) |
| 21:46.36 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: bash uses readline and emacs keybindings by default. |
| 21:46.59 | Bert_2 | is CTRL+C a readline keybinding then ? |
| 21:47.40 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: i get that, and i see the benefit of learning them...but i can't see that the benefit is as great as learning to touch type was :) |
| 21:47.58 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: hm, no? |
| 21:48.19 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: most people in russia can't touchtype because they don't see a benefit. |
| 21:48.52 | ndnihil | er, that's a rather odd statement |
| 21:49.17 | rooly | so is that why there are so few russians on the internet? |
| 21:49.19 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: ok, most computer users |
| 21:49.41 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: but you basically start to touchtype when you type often FAFAIK |
| 21:49.44 | PaulFertser | rooly: of course not. Most of them don't learn english because they "don't need it". |
| 21:50.14 | Undrwater | i see the benefit of both...i just don't see that the benefit of the keybindings generalizes as well as the benefit of touchtyping... |
| 21:50.30 | rooly | oh, keybindings do generalize |
| 21:50.45 | Undrwater | if i'm a social worker using a Windows XP machine, will emacs bindings benefit me in some way? |
| 21:50.56 | rooly | we're talking user operating speeds increasing in excess of 10 fold |
| 21:51.05 | Undrwater | rooly: sorry..specifically emacs bindings ;) |
| 21:51.06 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: sure, you'll install emacsificator for windows |
| 21:51.10 | PaulFertser | (there's one) |
| 21:51.13 | rooly | but specific keybindings for specific tols |
| 21:51.21 | rooly | not so sure |
| 21:51.30 | rooly | just learning keybindings in general is helpful |
| 21:51.41 | Undrwater | agreed....not arguing that it's not |
| 21:51.59 | Undrwater | is googling emacsificator |
| 21:52.42 | Undrwater | no results :P |
| 21:53.44 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: http://www.emacsblog.org/2007/05/10/emacs-key-bindings-in-windows/ http://www.emacsblog.org/2007/02/18/emacs-key-bindings-in-ms-word/ |
| 21:56.06 | pbaxter | excuse me what are minicom microcom and packagekit in shr repo? |
| 21:56.28 | SpeedEvil | minicom i a serial terminal program |
| 21:56.51 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: packagekit is some lib that interacts with opkg/apt/dpkg/etc. dos1 made some gui for it. |
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| 21:57.09 | oddy | Which is better, OpenMoko or Android? |
| 21:57.17 | pbaxter | so PaulFertser : can i use packagekit to install new software from gui? |
| 21:57.19 | oddy | As in, which is more complete? |
| 21:57.25 | pbaxter | oddy : it depends on your needss |
| 21:57.41 | pbaxter | oddy: if you have android means that it's more difficult to change it as you want... |
| 21:57.46 | PaulFertser | oddy: android sucks anyway. Regardless of anything. It's not for hackers, forget about it ;) |
| 21:58.04 | oddy | But I'm barely a hacker, I use Ubuntu :P |
| 21:58.22 | Undrwater | wait for webOS :) |
| 21:59.00 | oddy | Undrwater: I can't get a pre yet, I'm in the UK :'( |
| 21:59.00 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.16 | PaulFertser | (webos) It will have everything but will be slow as russian snail mail :D |
| 21:59.58 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: now that i've got xkeymacs installed on my windows xp box, and i've relearned new keybindings for doing things that i already did via keyboard, why should i be jazzed? why should i tell my colleagues to do the same? |
| 21:59.59 | oddy | PaulFertser: Not for sure, it's a Linux kernel so it has a fighting chance. |
| 22:00.40 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: for coolness? |
| 22:00.55 | Undrwater | 's eyes are opened now |
| 22:00.57 | PaulFertser | oddy: are you talking about webos? |
| 22:01.02 | oddy | Yeah Paul |
| 22:01.08 | oddy | It does doesn't it? |
| 22:01.17 | oddy | Or am I sadly mistaken? |
| 22:01.31 | PaulFertser | oddy: it's just a stupid idea: to use languages and other technologies not designed for native apps. |
| 22:01.46 | oddy | I know OpenMoko is a Linux kernel too. |
| 22:01.56 | PaulFertser | oddy: it gives nothing except probably attracting some monkey-coders but i doubt that's beneficial. |
| 22:02.10 | oddy | PaulFertser: How do you mean? What languages are they using? |
| 22:02.13 | PaulFertser | oddy: proper distros for FR _are_ GNU/Linux systems. |
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| 22:02.39 | oddy | PaulFertser, you make a good point. |
| 22:02.41 | PaulFertser | oddy: php? JS? Other "web" stuff? No idea, really. |
| 22:02.59 | PaulFertser | oddy: odd to hear that. Usually i say crap. |
| 22:03.26 | PaulFertser | Well, you're oddy, so not very surprising to hear odd things from you ;) |
| 22:03.27 | oddy | Oh I'm with you. For some crazy reason I though you meant interpreted languages, I haven't slept in 24. |
| 22:03.43 | oddy | Its short for oddeyed, but I'll take any oddness. |
| 22:03.57 | oddeyed | is oddy |
| 22:04.11 | oddy | is oddeyed. |
| 22:04.15 | oddy | :) |
| 22:04.25 | PaulFertser | Cool |
| 22:04.33 | oddy | Anywho, that was pointless. |
| 22:04.42 | oddy | Thanks for the chat |
| 22:04.43 | oddy | bye bye |
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| 22:04.47 | PaulFertser | Like most talks i'm taking part in. |
| 22:06.25 | Undrwater | :D |
| 22:06.35 | Undrwater | punch drunk |
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| 22:07.41 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r17898fc0f734 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: try to fix deleting messages |
| 22:08.34 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: lol, yeah |
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| 22:11.25 | Undrwater | runs off and installs xkeymacs on all his social worker colleague's computers in a frenzy |
| 22:11.52 | Undrwater | "it's for their own good, dammit" |
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| 22:12.19 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - KiCad is very liberal when it comes to valid part names, and so are we now |
| 22:12.19 | CIA-52 | openmoko: (i.e., we now accept anything but control and non-ASCII characters) |
| 22:18.55 | pbaxter | oddy just use SHR and crack it a lot |
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| 23:16.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - ecn0009 moves from Discuss to Execute. Also got reviewed by Joerg. |
| 23:16.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - README: added new state "Done". Until now, the only way to stop working |
| 23:16.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: on an ECNs was to cancel or defer it :-) |
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