| 00:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: contact me if you need gta02-gps-ant |
| 00:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | they're a real bargain ;-) |
| 00:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: and I might even test them before you venture to pay the postage |
| 00:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: which module for gta01? |
| 00:06.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: huh? |
| 00:06.18 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 00:06.35 | SpeedEvil | usb zd1211 based module that fits |
| 00:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | sounds good |
| 00:07.10 | SpeedEvil | and a hub before bluetooth |
| 00:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | zd1211 is highly sensitive, and linux drivers are ok |
| 00:07.30 | SpeedEvil | power hog - but meh. |
| 00:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | oh, yes you need that for 01 |
| 00:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmmm |
| 00:08.42 | SpeedEvil | pull off USB connector, jam in where GPS ant was, add chip scale GPS ant, add USB hub, rewire 3.3V regulator on USB stick |
| 00:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | and what sharing ubb jack and wifi-mod via a "switch"? instead of hub? |
| 00:09.56 | SpeedEvil | hub goes to bluetooth USB port |
| 00:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | aah, ok |
| 00:10.06 | SpeedEvil | with bluetooth and wifi off the hub |
| 00:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's much better |
| 00:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | combined bt+802.11 ? |
| 00:11.06 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 00:11.12 | SpeedEvil | the original BT module |
| 00:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | one-chip-solution. one antenna |
| 00:11.37 | SpeedEvil | yes - however I don't have a one-chip BT+wifi thing |
| 00:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | might even fit in where bt was |
| 00:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | let me check what we planned for 03 |
| 00:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | interested? |
| 00:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | was fsckng expensive but rather cute solution |
| 00:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, but no usb afair |
| 00:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 00:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | so no fit probably |
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| 00:16.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5429 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:16.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - gta02-core-expanded.pro: fixed path to gta02-core-expanded.lib |
| 00:16.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - moved XGTA02_WLAN_S from wlan.sch to bt.sch, like in the main schematics |
| 00:16.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added modem.sch with the GE865 to the expanded symbols |
| 00:16.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - scripts/all-sheets: replaced WLAN with MODEM |
| 00:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if you find a good hub chip, you may power that one from BT power, and hook wifi and bt to hub-supported power which you might be able to switch on/off on a cute hub-chip for each of the ports separately |
| 00:17.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's a TI USB1 hub chip that's OK. |
| 00:17.46 | SpeedEvil | It's not got power switching alas - I was going to hack that with an I2C thing or some GPIOs on the hub chip - I forget which |
| 00:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, or use spare GPIO od cpu directly |
| 00:18.41 | SpeedEvil | possibly. |
| 00:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://www.edom.com.tw/vender/product/WM-BG-MR-03-v01.pdf |
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| 00:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: alas no USB but SPI/SDIO and UART interface |
| 00:29.50 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5430 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (5 files): - removed patches that have already made it upstream |
| 00:30.01 | SpeedEvil | stabs his USB |
| 00:30.03 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:30.05 | SpeedEvil | ISP |
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| 00:31.12 | SpeedEvil | Yes - fair enough. And it's a nice module - which I almost certainly can't get in ones. |
| 00:31.25 | SpeedEvil | Though I understand you may not be talking of that |
| 00:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably. If you won't find some consumer product that's based on it |
| 00:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: of course I am considering that, as I want to help your project, not just brag hwat a nice chip OM found ;-D |
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| 00:33.51 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5431 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (auto-overline-config.patch auto-overline-screen.patch): |
| 00:33.51 | CIA-52 | openmoko: The auto-overline idea was a very complex approach for solving a simple |
| 00:33.51 | CIA-52 | openmoko: problem. Worse yet, KiCad can already do this without all the complexity. |
| 00:33.51 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Begone ... |
| 00:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | wpwrak spamming the channel ;-P |
| 00:34.33 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I have all the stuff here - it'll fit - there is almost zero coding to do. Exactly zero coding if I want to live with a hardware wifi switch. :) |
| 00:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | ok.... |
| 00:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:34.57 | SpeedEvil | And the PCB making required is minimal, or non-existant. |
| 00:35.11 | SpeedEvil | wants the ability to make 6 layer PCBs at home. |
| 00:35.13 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 00:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | so you even found a smaller replacement for he GPS-ant? Not that difficult I guess |
| 00:36.41 | SpeedEvil | there are chip scale ones - 3*3mm or so - I have doubts of course how well it'll work - but... |
| 00:37.03 | SpeedEvil | (Amplified of course) |
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| 00:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | amazing |
| 00:43.40 | SpeedEvil | There are even drop in whole replacement GPS modules. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9060 forex. |
| 00:44.14 | SpeedEvil | Those are ~$5 in moderate volume apparantly (1k) |
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| 00:45.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9131 2*7mm CSP antenna |
| 00:46.21 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_the_British_Isles_by_cause_of_death |
| 00:46.23 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 04:04.31 | Slaxxer | Doc |
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| 04:33.18 | rvs1st | is there anyone here installed fedora on the phone?! is it possible? |
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| 04:41.38 | rvs1st | did anyone use a usb wireless card on the phone?! |
| 04:46.42 | rvs1st | thanks |
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| 07:09.08 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Are you finished with your draculetta movies yet? |
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| 07:28.45 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: it weren't movies |
| 07:29.16 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: and not Draculette. I was reading this old book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula |
| 07:29.57 | Daramarak | Daramarak: That was not what DocScrutinizer told me ;) |
| 07:30.13 | PaulFertser | He joked. |
| 07:31.48 | Daramarak | PaulFerster: You are kidding, old bram stoker instead of pale babes... ;) |
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| 07:39.30 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: so what is your question? |
| 07:40.07 | ndnihil | pale babes ftw |
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| 07:53.40 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Sorry, meeting :) |
| 07:55.06 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: You wanted to know the git revision number. (Remember the RNDIS problem?). I found it yesterday. The kernel image is from the file uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r3-om-gta02.bin |
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| 07:57.54 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: Thu Feb 26 13:53:15 2009 ??? |
| 07:59.07 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: well, that'd explain why it doesn't work. I've already told you the date the latest crude hack was committed that was necessary for some win machines. |
| 07:59.22 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: get the kernel from SHR unstable. |
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| 08:07.47 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: don't forget to untar the corresponding modules to your rootfs! |
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| 08:09.18 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: But isn't this the same uimage that lies in the om2009 testing folder? |
| 08:09.39 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: SHR unstable always uses andy-tracking HEAD |
| 08:09.53 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: so it is up-to-date. You say you're using Feb 26 kernel. |
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| 08:12.29 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I say that I used the file from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ you say this is an old kernel? and that I should use a newer one (from SHR unstable) |
| 08:12.45 | tomcatek | hi |
| 08:15.17 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: the git hash you gave me refers to the commit made on Thu Feb 26 13:53:15 2009 |
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| 08:15.23 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: and yes if it's really the kernel you use it's mad old and you're supposed to use the newest kernel, you can get one from shr unstable. |
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| 08:17.24 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: But this is the kernel from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ isn't it? Or am I completly lost here? |
| 08:18.27 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: i've no idea what you have installed and i've no idea what exactly nytowl (Angus) puts in that directory. A good guess would be that the git hash you gave me is the latest commit included. |
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| 08:21.35 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I think it is strange if Testing is using a very old kernel, but perhaps the file name points to the wrong git revision. Anyway, ill try to use the shr one. But what is this about untar'ing the modules. So i'll have to upgrade after flashing also? |
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| 08:24.00 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: what? First, download and untar (to /) the modules |
| 08:24.09 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: then switch to the new kernel. |
| 08:24.16 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: you want SHR Unstable, not testing. |
| 08:27.03 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Ah, ok I misunderstood. I flashed a tar'ed image once, ill not do it again. Unstable, not Testing, ill remember that. Thank you very much, appreciate that you took the time. |
| 08:28.05 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: you're welcome |
| 08:28.29 | PaulFertser | To start hacking instead of messing with windows networking |
| 08:28.30 | PaulFertser | ;) |
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| 08:45.27 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I know, have been in linux heaven the whole vacation, now I am back to windows hell! And that is not only the networking... |
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| 08:47.58 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: i know :( i even know some windows api :( and i think i know more about windows ACLs than almost any windows admin :( |
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| 08:50.38 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Yeah, the apis I know too well. But I have forgotten everything about the ACL and security descriptors at all. |
| 08:51.01 | Daramarak | PaulFerster: I am so done with managing win networks. |
| 08:57.48 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: in fact that SD stuff is not that bad, just overcomplicated. What sucks is that to really understand that shit i had to go through numerous msdn pages (for developers, not even administrators!), the information is too sparse... |
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| 09:05.52 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Just thinking about it makes it all come back to me. Stop it please :D I luckly had some books when I needed it. |
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| 09:07.16 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: i just can't understand why the hell there's no user/admin documentation for such a common task. Also the gui permissions editor "fakes" some ACEs (by showing a "combined" ACE). |
| 09:07.27 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: ok, i stop, sorry. |
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| 09:11.44 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I almost started to rant my self, but I got busy reading the ML GPS NMEA sentences over serial port. Entertaining :) |
| 09:12.47 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: you mean that weird conversation at devel ML? I can't understand how a programmer can be so strange :-/ |
| 09:13.22 | lindi- | Daramarak: PaulFertser: odd question: is it possible to use GPS to detect if we are outside or in a cellar where there is no GPS coverage? I don't get signal strength indicators until there is fix (which I never get in a cellar!) |
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| 09:14.05 | PaulFertser | lindi-: can't you assume you're in a cellar when there's no fix? |
| 09:16.15 | ndnihil | to detect on the phone, or to detect remotely? |
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| 09:19.17 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but I can not do that deduction without having to wait for a long time |
| 09:19.20 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I mean just that conversation yes :) |
| 09:20.17 | Daramarak | lindi: What about counting satelites, got 0, are in the cellar, got more than zero but no fix, you are outside. |
| 09:21.55 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: the latest mail he sent directly to me where he continues with insanity and now says that: "I think I need to use two USB to serial converter (one for the laptop and one for the FR)" I'm out of ideas what to say him... |
| 09:22.27 | ndnihil | lindi: considered installing a passive repeater in the basement? |
| 09:23.01 | ndnihil | not sure how well it would work for GPS, but it works for CDMA/GSM |
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| 09:23.37 | ndnihil | one of my offices has a server room in the basement, and we stuck a passive repeater in there so techs would get signal |
| 09:26.02 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: :D It looks like he is determined to do this in a very complicated way. I wouldn't count on that you manage to change his mind. |
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| 09:28.33 | lindi- | Daramarak: counting satellites could work yes |
| 09:28.34 | nullix | when somebody want to do something complicated and don't listen to easy solution then propose even more complicated solutions |
| 09:30.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5432 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): |
| 09:30.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added the usual COLOR_ prefix also to TOOL_SELECTED/TOOL_UNSELECTED |
| 09:30.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - instantiate_meas if a mesurements has no samples, do the next one, don't stop |
| 09:30.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: completely |
| 09:30.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when instantiation fails, the corresponding vector, object, or loop is now |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-52 | openmoko: marked red in the variables/items list. |
| 09:30.51 | Daramarak | nullix: Sounds like a good way. Either he gets the point, or you get the entertainment :) |
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| 09:38.32 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: well, i replied to his mail ;) |
| 09:42.23 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: :D |
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| 09:54.50 | laotseu | :c |
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| 10:07.24 | hipitihop | is there a seperate shr channel ? |
| 10:07.36 | PaulFertser | no |
| 10:08.49 | nullix | neither separate either desesperate. |
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| 10:09.55 | hipitihop | I'm running shr-u lite-om-gta02.jffs downloaded yesterday (mainly because the full failed to boot) and now I cannot do opkg get not found |
| 10:11.04 | hipitihop | ignore "get" above, phantom typist |
| 10:12.28 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: opkg-cl |
| 10:12.33 | hipitihop | I haven't used opkg for a while but getting "-sh: opkg: not found" am I doing something stupid ? |
| 10:12.39 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: the symlink was lost due to an error |
| 10:12.53 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: opkg-cl update; opkg-cl upgrade should solve that |
| 10:13.19 | Gnutoo | hi, how do I import POI from tangogps in JOSM? |
| 10:13.20 | jjwc | Be prepared to break the thing partially throgh because even with some swap space, you'll get "fork failed" errors |
| 10:13.41 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: I see thanks... is it safe with above image ? I notice topic says don't do upgrade |
| 10:13.56 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: afaik now it is safe to upgrade |
| 10:14.08 | jjwc | upgraded last night and his phone is working. |
| 10:14.13 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: yes jjwc is right, turn off X before doing |
| 10:14.20 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: and frameworkd |
| 10:14.24 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: to free more mem |
| 10:15.23 | jjwc | Someone on the lists actually suggested sending an interrupt after a while and then running the upgrade process again, too. |
| 10:17.48 | hipitihop | ok have to show I only know enough to be dangerous.. can you give me command or point me somewhere to tun off x and frameworkd ? |
| 10:18.17 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop , etc.. |
| 10:18.25 | jjwc | frameworkd is just a daemon, you'll find its control script in /etc/init.d |
| 10:18.30 | jjwc | Bah.. |
| 10:19.28 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: ah, X stop is nodm stop |
| 10:21.12 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: frameworkd now stopped. can't find nodm though |
| 10:23.02 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: ahh xserver-nodm |
| 10:25.09 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5433 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/fix-eeschema-libs.patch: This one also made it into mainline. |
| 10:28.10 | hipitihop | upgrading |
| 10:31.05 | hipitihop | notices opkg link coming through in upgrade |
| 10:31.29 | jjwc | :) |
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| 10:32.01 | hipitihop | upgrade completed without a hitch, maybe because I'm on lite not full |
| 10:32.38 | hipitihop | I guess now I just restart those services or better to complete restart ? |
| 10:34.07 | jjwc | restart |
| 10:34.10 | jjwc | And hope. :) |
| 10:34.28 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: yes, if you're unsure, reboot |
| 10:36.21 | hipitihop | while I wait, is there a shr page which lists the diffs between lite and full ? |
| 10:37.23 | jjwc | hipitihop: yes, I know there is one... Don't remember where. |
| 10:37.34 | jjwc | I think it's a click or two away from the homepage. |
| 10:37.53 | hipitihop | does the old wiki search |
| 10:39.39 | hipitihop | well reboot worked fine so all seems good, I see date/time gets lost still |
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| 10:40.06 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: does gsm work? |
| 10:42.01 | PaulFertser | Guys, can someone explain arne arka from community ML that FSO_Resources wiki page is actually understandable and useful and that he just doesn't get it? I'm so tired of all that useless talks :-/ |
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| 10:43.14 | Mathias2 | Hi! When will be the expected/estimated release of OpenMoko OM 2009? |
| 10:43.31 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: who cares |
| 10:43.40 | Mathias2 | cares. |
| 10:44.08 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: why? |
| 10:44.29 | Mathias2 | I would really like to use my freerunner finally. |
| 10:44.41 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: you don't need a release for that |
| 10:44.54 | Mathias2 | What do you suggest? |
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| 10:45.34 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: shr unstable |
| 10:45.38 | Mathias2 | ok, thx |
| 10:45.39 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: or OM2009 unstable |
| 10:45.49 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: or you can get shr unstable and install Paroli there. |
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| 10:46.22 | PaulFertser | Mathias2: anyway om2009 is now very low on manpower and i don't understand Angus's plans. So i bet on SHR. Or Debian ;) |
| 10:46.24 | hipitihop | PaulFertser: seems to.. dialed another mobile and it rang |
| 10:46.30 | PaulFertser | hipitihop: kewl |
| 10:47.15 | Mathias2 | PaulFertser: It seems like I have to check out all of these, at least SHR and Debian. |
| 10:49.01 | jjwc | SHR not only feels fairly stable (well, unless it breaks), but it also uses bleeding edge software. |
| 10:49.21 | jjwc | I've tested out lots of distributions and keep coming back to that. Hopefully, I can get involved with development there. |
| 10:49.51 | jjwc | As much as I like what panicking is dong with Android, there are a lot of showstopper bugs that make it somewhat unusable. |
| 10:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: morning |
| 10:50.08 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: What is it you don't understand with plans of om2009? |
| 10:50.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: good afternoon :) |
| 10:50.56 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: i don't understand a thing about om2009 ;) I just can't see what Angus is after. |
| 10:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | afternoon is no valid time-value ;-) |
| 10:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | at least here and today |
| 10:52.01 | PaulFertser | :D |
| 10:52.07 | PaulFertser | "at" agrees |
| 10:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 10:52.53 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Ok, because I have been running om200x all the way, and I am very interested in its future. |
| 10:53.20 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: ask nytowl when you see him next time. It looks like he's the only one maintaining it. |
| 10:53.39 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: and i fail to see why doesn't he want to join SHR and maintain Paroli there instead. |
| 10:54.21 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Ok, I can see that point if the distro has so poor support. |
| 10:54.55 | SpeedEvil | OM - corporate - is basically doing nothing related to the OM software? |
| 10:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: teatime is, for at. iirc. ;D bloody britains |
| 10:57.41 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5434 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_frame.c inst.c inst.h): |
| 10:57.41 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - objects selected via the item view can now be edited directly, even if no |
| 10:57.41 | CIA-52 | openmoko: instance is found. This allows recovery from mistakes where a failing item |
| 10:57.41 | CIA-52 | openmoko: never gets instantiated. |
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| 11:06.53 | d-b | io um q -> q any good twitter clients for twitter |
| 11:10.53 | PaulFertser | d-b: i think there's elmdentica for identi.ca |
| 11:11.20 | d-b | PaulFertser: twitter... |
| 11:11.42 | PaulFertser | d-b: it sucks afaik ;) |
| 11:11.45 | d-b | is not in a coding mood atm |
| 11:11.50 | Mathias2 | cu |
| 11:14.52 | d-b | what anout tweetmoko? |
| 11:15.12 | d-b | twittermoko* |
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| 11:32.41 | hipitihop | the shr post install script on the wiki sets vLANGUAGE="de" that German afaik what's the default english ? |
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| 12:07.30 | PaulFertser | jc: ping |
| 12:07.51 | jc | PaulFertser: pong |
| 12:08.35 | PaulFertser | jc: so, what about stopping to forge Reply-To header on the community ML? I'm still quite frustrated because of that :-/ Now you can do whatever you want i guess, since you're not employed by OM, right? |
| 12:09.47 | PaulFertser | jc: users should be educated, sooner or later. I'm quite tired of all those who can't understand a thing... |
| 12:10.15 | PaulFertser | jc: if you're still unconvinced please read http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ;) |
| 12:10.16 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: what is it you've been riled up about? |
| 12:10.28 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: read the link and you'll see ;) |
| 12:10.41 | ndnihil | been glancing over every so often while coding/watching planet of the apes cartoon |
| 12:11.13 | ndnihil | reading |
| 12:11.38 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: btw, i'm the kind of guy who usually finds reasons to be riled no matter what... :( |
| 12:12.09 | ndnihil | that'll give you ulcers |
| 12:12.16 | ndnihil | I learned that lesson the hard way |
| 12:13.00 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: ohh :( |
| 12:14.34 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i usually don't get nervous, just depressed, so probably my faith is some other illness ;) |
| 12:15.17 | ndnihil | your link to the definition of munge is broken |
| 12:15.22 | ndnihil | can't find the server at www.fwi.uva.nl. |
| 12:16.41 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ? this one |
| 12:16.50 | ndnihil | yep |
| 12:17.36 | PaulFertser | Ah, the link on the page. It's not my page anyway. Community list just adds reply-to header pointing to itself to every mail it sends. |
| 12:17.42 | ndnihil | ah |
| 12:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you simply won't put up with this? ;-D |
| 12:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | guy, you won't change the world |
| 12:19.01 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i just can't see a reason to continue doing the wrong thing. Also some users keep PMing me without any decent reason. |
| 12:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 12:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | they wouldn't if you would not post to community anyway. I can tell by real experience ;) |
| 12:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: the small incorrect part in your statement is: nobody is doing anything, it's a static situation. that's probably the point why neither you nor anybody else will change it anytime soon :) |
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| 12:26.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the mailing list software is doing that nasty thing. |
| 12:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | the sw is immune to agruments of any kind ;-) |
| 12:27.56 | ndnihil | it can be a minor annoyance, but I don't see it as that big a deal |
| 12:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | it's not *right* and that makes it a big thing to Paul. I can understand that notion |
| 12:29.12 | ndnihil | certainly |
| 12:29.38 | xyzz | anybody knows how to dump contacts from sim card? |
| 12:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | mdbus -s foo bar |
| 12:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | no idea here |
| 12:30.31 | ndnihil | I'm pretty particular about following the RFC's myself (I run public facing mail servers), but I see it more as the same type of annoyance that differences in forum software have |
| 12:30.55 | ndnihil | I prefer using some types of forum software than others |
| 12:31.32 | ndnihil | but unless I were heavily involved, I probably wouldn't bother arguing the change |
| 12:32.04 | ndnihil | more of a user experience thing than a necessary functionality |
| 12:36.57 | laotseu | i've found a page a few weeks ago showing how to open the freerunner to apply a screen protector, but I can't find it now, does somebody knows one ? |
| 12:38.06 | xyzz | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Jerjozwik#Scripts_Used |
| 12:38.12 | xyzz | sim contacts backup, btw |
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| 12:49.18 | hipitihop | I notice the SHRpostinstalation.sh install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/841/pisi_0.3_armv4t.ipk I thought pisi 0.4 was out |
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| 13:04.59 | walkie | any one familar with midpath? |
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| 13:47.17 | Digital_Pioneer | What I'm getting from the ML discussions is that Wifi will work fine as long as you completely powercycle the module between sessions. Is this correct? |
| 13:48.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Right now, the first time I use it, Wifi works great. After that, it kernel panics. |
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| 13:51.18 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: good, panics should be easy |
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| 13:51.36 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: what kernel, what message? file bug |
| 13:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | message on panic? |
| 13:52.35 | lindi- | yep |
| 13:52.58 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-: No idea what message, it panics before I can get one. |
| 13:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | still no ramconsole enabled by default :-/ |
| 13:53.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Kernel is 2.6.29 from SHR-U |
| 13:53.19 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: use ramconsole patch i wrote |
| 13:53.47 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: is it the case (panic) even if you use wifi the way i propose? |
| 13:54.35 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: If you're referring to the discussion on the ML, my question is confirming the proposal for using Wifi. :P |
| 13:55.01 | Digital_Pioneer | It sounds like Wifi should work OK as long as you completely power down the module between sessions. Is this correct? |
| 13:55.10 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i mean use exactly like i suggest "fsoraw ... wpa_supplicant ..." Do you get kernel panics that way? |
| 13:55.21 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: there're other gotchas :( |
| 13:55.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Haven't tried it yet, I'm just trying to make sure I know what to try. :D |
| 13:56.38 | Digital_Pioneer | I use Nwa to connect, not wpa_supplicant. Shouldn't make a difference, as long as I keep nwa running during my session... |
| 13:57.27 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: it might! |
| 13:57.31 | Digital_Pioneer | I was highly impressed with nwa. I launched it the first time, it scanned and connected to my network completely automatically. :D |
| 13:57.53 | Digital_Pioneer | It's an open network, so it could do that. Not my choice. :P |
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| 13:59.08 | Digital_Pioneer | So using fsoraw should turn on the wifi chip, then turn it off when I'm done, correct? |
| 13:59.28 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: the point is that if you power on, start wpa_supplicant, then when you don't need it anymore, kill supplicant and it powers off then everything usually works. But nwa can do more than that. |
| 14:00.28 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Indeed. |
| 14:01.02 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: But we won't know until I try! :) |
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| 14:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: lindi: could we get a default-ramconcole eventually? |
| 14:04.29 | lindi- | i am not sure wht else i could do to it actually |
| 14:06.30 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'd like to integrate it btw. Probably i even will. |
| 14:09.16 | Digital_Pioneer | !! Holy crap... Nwa actually just connected to my university's encrypted network... |
| 14:09.28 | Digital_Pioneer | NOTHING can connect to the encrypted network... :P |
| 14:09.36 | Digital_Pioneer | (My laptop can, but that's about it) |
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| 14:10.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Pretty much everyone on campus knows vista is incapable of it, it's a nightmare in XP.... And my phone can do it. Hahahah |
| 14:10.13 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: what's so special about it? |
| 14:10.27 | drascus321 | is there an automatic screen rotation program that works for SHR I tried accel-rotate but it does nothing |
| 14:11.59 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Something along the lines of WPA2 enterprise using PEAP with GTC. |
| 14:12.38 | Digital_Pioneer | It uses a username/password login instead of a passkey. That alone throws a lot of devices off. |
| 14:13.30 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i thought wpa_supplicant has no problems with stuff like that. |
| 14:13.59 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: It doesn't, so long as wicd writes the config. |
| 14:14.02 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 14:14.10 | Digital_Pioneer | I can't write a wpa_supp config if my life depends on it. |
| 14:14.17 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: :-o |
| 14:14.51 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i've never used anything except vim and wpa_passphrase to get me a working wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 14:19.54 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well I've tried that, but never got it working. :( |
| 14:20.09 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: wicd does it quite nicely though. |
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| 14:22.32 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I can't seem to power down the wifi module after finishing with it. |
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| 14:35.23 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: ? |
| 14:35.44 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: as soon as fsoraw exits, frameworkd unbinds the driver and that powers off the module. |
| 14:38.54 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Right, that's the idea. But in shr-settings, wifi is on and I can't turn it off. |
| 14:40.03 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Any console commands I can run to get an idea what's going on? |
| 14:40.08 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: do not turn it on ever with shr-settings then |
| 14:40.21 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: yes, i've some ;) |
| 14:40.28 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I didn't. I turned it on with fsoraw |
| 14:40.43 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/raw-attachment/ticket/461/lsfsor.py |
| 14:40.49 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: shr-settings merely reflects that it is indeed on, but it won't turn off. |
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| 14:45.03 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: so, what lsfsor.py gives? |
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| 15:03.17 | dos1 | Digital_Pioneer: if something else tuned wifi on then shr-settings won't be able to turn it off |
| 15:06.29 | ndnihil | nwa beats the shit out of mofi, that's for sure |
| 15:06.45 | ndnihil | tests with his AP that nothing on the FR has worked with yet |
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| 15:38.58 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re2d9ce1b8baa 10/fsousaged/ (10 files in 6 dirs): fsousaged: add skeleton for lowlevel plugins implementing suspend/resume handling |
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| 15:51.42 | Digital_Pioneer | dos1: Ahhhhh. |
| 15:51.59 | Digital_Pioneer | ndnihil: Yeah, nwa is freaking awesome. :P |
| 15:52.16 | ndnihil | still wont connect to my AP here |
| 15:52.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Sad. |
| 15:52.35 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: some APs are just not usable with ar6001 it seems :( |
| 15:52.46 | Digital_Pioneer | It connects to my university's encrypted network, so it passes the ultimate test. LOL |
| 15:52.57 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i've seen one of those. It can be scaned but never associates. |
| 15:52.58 | ndnihil | this is an atheros card with hostapd in an embedded machine |
| 15:53.03 | ndnihil | works great with my laptop |
| 15:53.11 | ndnihil | running debian etch |
| 15:53.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Unfortunately, nwa _did_ have its own dark theme, but that's gone now. :( |
| 15:53.20 | Digital_Pioneer | It's just default Qt. |
| 15:53.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Doesn't look as good. |
| 15:53.57 | ndnihil | its dark on mine |
| 15:54.05 | ndnihil | when I run it via ssh it's light and ugly |
| 15:54.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahhhhhh. |
| 15:54.12 | ndnihil | but when I use the desktop icon it's dark |
| 15:54.16 | Digital_Pioneer | That must be it. |
| 15:54.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Strange. My phone is running, but I can't start anything. |
| 15:54.41 | Digital_Pioneer | And I can't SSH in, though it returns pings. |
| 15:55.28 | gabriel | hmmm i have build a rootfs with buildroot, i have installed openssh (via make menuconfig) but when i boot on the SD, i can't connect with SSH on the FreeRunner :/, do we need to configure or do something ? |
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| 15:56.20 | Digital_Pioneer | gives up, performs cold reset. |
| 15:56.47 | PaulFertser | gabriel: g_ether kernel module missing? |
| 15:57.44 | PaulFertser | gabriel: also you're supposed to set usb0 ip somewhere (/etc/network/interfaces ?) |
| 15:58.00 | gabriel | PaulFertser, i can ping the FR, i have configured /etc/nework/interfaces |
| 15:58.21 | gabriel | but when i want ssh root@ip -> connection refused |
| 15:58.30 | gabriel | root or defaut |
| 15:58.39 | PaulFertser | gabriel: probably it binds only to some interfaces, not including usb0 |
| 15:59.14 | gabriel | if i can ping my FreeRunner, it's mean that is ok for usb0 no ? |
| 15:59.40 | PaulFertser | gabriel: it means that usb0 is up and running, yes. But it doesn't mean openssh listens on that interface. |
| 16:00.04 | gabriel | yes, but how can i do to check if openssh is listening ? |
| 16:00.13 | PaulFertser | gabriel: netstat -a ? |
| 16:00.23 | gabriel | but i can't connect to the freerunner |
| 16:00.50 | PaulFertser | gabriel: add to some bootscript after the openssh invocation and see result on LCD. |
| 16:00.51 | gabriel | via /etc/init.d ? |
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| 16:01.52 | gabriel | i think, all script in /etc/init.d are not executed |
| 16:02.22 | gabriel | i tried to echo "test" >> /home/test.log in a script, but after the boot, nothing in /home/ |
| 16:02.24 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. I need a GMail client for my FR. :) |
| 16:02.38 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: that's mutt ;) |
| 16:02.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Web browser is OK, but it's going to have to be able to remember passwords. |
| 16:02.47 | ndnihil | claws, gmail does imap or pop |
| 16:02.54 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: mutt is CLI, no? |
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| 16:04.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Also, what's the best web browser for FR? I use midori now, but it takes forever to start. |
| 16:04.43 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: no, it's console full screen app. |
| 16:04.45 | ndnihil | dillo is nice and quick |
| 16:04.56 | ndnihil | but it doesn't do javascript |
| 16:05.41 | Digital_Pioneer | ndnihil: Need my Javascript. |
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| 16:08.16 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, after nwa exits, wifi stays on because eth0 stays up. |
| 16:08.30 | Digital_Pioneer | If I run `ifconfig eth0 down` it segfaults. |
| 16:08.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Next time I run ifconfig, it locks. |
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| 16:08.50 | ndnihil | yeah, I get quirky behavior like that too |
| 16:08.59 | ndnihil | stopped after checking the scan_ssid box for that AP |
| 16:09.13 | ndnihil | still wont connect though |
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| 16:09.15 | Digital_Pioneer | Entire phone gets shot. GUI still works (huh?) and I can click icons, it says "loading" and all, but then times out and the app never starts. |
| 16:09.28 | ndnihil | yep, and a shutdown/reboot hangs |
| 16:09.33 | ndnihil | and you have to pop the battery out? |
| 16:09.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup |
| 16:09.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, no, I hold the power button for 8 secs and it shuts off. |
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| 16:10.02 | ndnihil | yeah, been getting that almost every time I try getting it to connect to this one AP |
| 16:10.08 | ndnihil | open AP's are no problem at all |
| 16:10.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Odd. |
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| 16:10.36 | fredrin | ah, laptop back from warranty service, hope its more stable now and don't die all the time |
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| 16:13.58 | Digital_Pioneer | ndnihil: Yeah, look at the command in /usr/share/applications/nwa.desktop -- it has a bunch of theme-setting stuff. |
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| 16:16.34 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup. It's fine to connect to wireless ONCE, but as soon as you close nwa, you better not open it again until having rebooted. |
| 16:17.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Strangely enough, you can do whatever the heck you want during that first NWA session. But close it, and you need to reboot before reconnecting. |
| 16:17.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Workaround: just don't close nwa. |
| 16:17.44 | Digital_Pioneer | It can suspend, resume, change APs, no problem. |
| 16:17.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Just don't close nwa. |
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| 16:27.14 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: probably when you close nwa it does ifconfig down and _that_ triggers the kernel bug. |
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| 16:28.00 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Could be. If I do it myself, it segfaults once, then the next time it bricks out most everything. |
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| 16:36.15 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: it would be nice to get feedback on plain fsoraw+wpa_supplicant method |
| 16:36.58 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: :| I need a conf for that. |
| 16:37.00 | gabriel | hmmmm inittab isn't parse by busybox, strange |
| 16:37.14 | Digital_Pioneer | ...I should be able to use my laptop's wpa_supp conf, no? |
| 16:37.31 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: sure |
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| 16:42.39 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r74faa2ad19a0 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/object.vala: libfsoframework: object: show name of logger domain on debug |
| 16:42.42 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7322a9dae3b0 10/fsousaged/src/ (9 files in 5 dirs): |
| 16:42.42 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: controller: infrastructure for lowlevel plugin done. To add a certain plugin as lowlevel suspend/resume plugin, you have to do the following: |
| 16:42.42 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Make it loaded at all by adding its name to the conf file, e.g. [fsousage.lowlevel_kernel26] or [fsousage.lowlevel_openmoko] |
| 16:42.44 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Chose which plugin to use for suspend/resume in [fsousaged] by adding (e.g.) |
| 16:42.46 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: lowlevel_type = kernel26 |
| 16:42.48 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: kernel26 is the default, if the lowlevel_type entry is not present. |
| 16:42.50 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7da7a6749aa3 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: controller: use DBus constants as defined in fsoframework-2.0.vapi |
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| 17:38.40 | tg | hi |
| 17:38.59 | tg | anyone knows how to select gsm network manually in Om2008.12? |
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| 18:39.45 | oc2k1 | Hi does onyaone know if the greenphone headset works on a freerunner too ? |
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| 19:16.18 | awwaiid | la la la |
| 19:17.03 | Zeroedout | singin your song? |
| 19:27.25 | laotseu | is there a way to have the top led blinking/turned on when there is an unread message/missing call ? |
| 19:35.24 | Zeroedout | in shr? Maybe you can extended notifier to do that.... should be fairly easy |
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| 19:37.00 | laotseu | yes in SHR |
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| 19:37.49 | laotseu | Zeroedout: i don't know extended notifier ... what is it ? |
| 19:39.19 | Zeroedout | if you're using SHR, notifier is that app that shows you a call of message has been missed. I think it's written in python, by extend, i meant add a line of code to make the LED blink |
| 19:39.29 | Zeroedout | *call or message |
| 19:39.44 | laotseu | Zeroedout: i've understand too late |
| 19:39.47 | laotseu | :) |
| 19:39.55 | laotseu | will see, thanks |
| 19:40.19 | awwaiid | on a completely unrelated note, I gave up trying to work around the current Debian installer's issues and am now restoring a backup to my SD card of a previous debian install. fun :) |
| 19:41.41 | Zeroedout | ghetto. are they using the new version of frameworkd? |
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| 19:49.30 | awwaiid | I don't think so, not yet. I'm thinking of starting to run the fso tools directly from git |
| 19:49.38 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5435 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (6 files): Update for KiCad revision 1923, by Nathael Pajani. |
| 19:50.43 | Wonka | hrm, how can i select a specific gsm network with ophonekitd? |
| 19:54.04 | Zeroedout | not too sure, but if it's not ovious, I would appreciate having the answer put on the wiki.... or if you're feeling lazy, pm it to me and I can add it later :) |
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| 20:15.35 | dos1 | Wonka: shr-settings -> Phone |
| 20:15.53 | Wonka | :) |
| 20:16.17 | dos1 | Zeroedout, laotseu: when using opimd making LED blinking on missed events is as simple as adding ~3 lines to rules.yaml |
| 20:17.00 | dos1 | but default SHR apps don't use opimd yet :( |
| 20:17.19 | dos1 | (but we want to rewrite soon, with proper design and opimd support) |
| 20:19.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Interesting that it's so much 'cleaner' to rotate the screen 180° than 90°. |
| 20:27.37 | laotseu | dos1: thanks for this information |
| 20:36.11 | Wonka | dos1: hm, I do not find anything there |
| 20:41.06 | Wonka | dos1: "gsm antenna" slider is on "off" although illume shows a signal strength |
| 20:41.28 | dos1 | Wonka: that's ok, illume don't care about turning off gsm atm |
| 20:41.48 | dos1 | which reminds me... there was some work about new gsm signal meter |
| 20:41.54 | dos1 | i have to ask what happened with that |
| 20:42.15 | Wonka | still, i dont see any way to select other networks |
| 20:43.48 | dos1 | Wonka: hmm? i though it's obvious... |
| 20:43.54 | dos1 | Wonka: "Operators" button |
| 20:44.02 | dos1 | s/though/thought/ |
| 20:45.23 | Wonka | dos1: there is none... |
| 20:45.38 | dos1 | Wonka: if you turned gsm off then there is none ;P |
| 20:45.39 | Wonka | i hope it's not because i ran ophonekitd from debian in a chroot... |
| 20:45.51 | Wonka | i didn't |
| 20:45.54 | dos1 | oh |
| 20:45.58 | dos1 | yup, chroot can cause that |
| 20:46.07 | dos1 | you need to run shr-settings from chroot too then |
| 20:46.11 | Wonka | i just turned it on before |
| 20:46.17 | Wonka | i did |
| 20:46.45 | Wonka | last try was killing ophonekitd, running shr-settings |
| 20:47.54 | Wonka | it asked if it should start ophonekit, i acked thar, it did - started phonemodule after enteringpin |
| 20:48.07 | Wonka | still no operators button |
| 20:48.24 | Wonka | maybe reboot to real shr? |
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| 20:48.50 | elopio | is this the place to ask about shr functionality? |
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| 20:52.19 | Ainulindale | elopio: hmmm |
| 20:52.21 | Ainulindale | among others |
| 20:52.24 | Ainulindale | try there :-) |
| 20:52.39 | Wonka | received exception org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotReady: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet |
| 20:52.45 | Wonka | mh. why? |
| 20:54.23 | dos1 | Wonka: that's probably problem with your chroot configuration |
| 20:54.43 | dos1 | Wonka: selecting networks was one of first features implemented in shr-settings ;D |
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| 21:23.25 | geaaru | hi, i installed gvsig but when i try to start application i have this error: ava.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-gtk-3448 or swt-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file |
| 21:23.35 | geaaru | any idea for resolve this problem? |
| 21:25.37 | doopa | latest opkg upgrade seems to solve the problems related to non-talkative gsm in shr |
| 21:25.48 | doopa | perhaps the topic should be updated? |
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| 21:28.36 | geaaru | i have image released of 29 July |
| 21:29.31 | geaaru | my fault , i forgetten to install libswt3.4-gtk-jni package :) |
| 21:29.39 | PaulFertser | geaaru: you need to install some package with gtk support for java, yes :) |
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| 21:41.46 | geaaru | but for gvsig there are maps to load? |
| 21:44.31 | Undrwater | did an update and upgrade yesterday, but I can't get shr-settings up, and phone isn't registering http://www.pastebin.org/8867 |
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| 21:45.19 | Undrwater | sorry [SHR] |
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| 21:46.03 | Undrwater | i see the topic...curious if i can clear the errors |
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| 22:56.22 | hipitihop | morning all. For shr-u and a 2gb sd card how should I partition it just for additional storage, swap and navit maps |
| 23:00.51 | Undrwater | hipitihop: shr-u on NAND? |
| 23:01.42 | hipitihop | Undrwater: yes |
| 23:02.08 | Undrwater | swap can be a file, so maybe one large partition (that's how i have it so far |
| 23:03.35 | hipitihop | Undrwater: I also want just general storage for music aand files, maps for navit etc |
| 23:03.55 | Undrwater | I've got all that in directories...swapfile on the root of the card |
| 23:04.12 | hipitihop | so just one big ext3 ? |
| 23:04.16 | Undrwater | yep |
| 23:04.41 | hipitihop | ok will forma the sd card that way, mind if I ask after how to setup the swap in root ? |
| 23:04.47 | Undrwater | not sure if partitioning makes more sense or is more secure or even better for the card.. |
| 23:04.59 | Undrwater | sure...it's on the wiki |
| 23:05.22 | hipitihop | you mean the shr user manaul ? |
| 23:05.29 | Undrwater | htt |
| 23:05.56 | Undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SwapSpace |
| 23:06.04 | Undrwater | also on the user manual |
| 23:06.09 | Undrwater | basically same instructions |
| 23:07.56 | hipitihop | thanks |
| 23:08.10 | hipitihop | what size do you run ? |
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| 23:12.43 | dent | Hi. I just installed latest shr-unstable image (dated Aug 8th) - but I ended up with crashing enlightenment. |
| 23:12.55 | dent | is that a known issue/is there a solution/workaround? |
| 23:13.08 | dent | opkg update; opkg upgrade doesn't pull any upgrades |
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| 23:13.50 | Undrwater | hipitihop: 64mb |
| 23:13.51 | dent | running enlightenment explicitly from the cmdline doesn't reveal anything interesting |
| 23:13.59 | dent | I tried rm -r ~/.e |
| 23:14.49 | Undrwater | dent: i think that's a bad image...i'm waiting for something new |
| 23:15.16 | Undrwater | if the advice is not to upgrade, somethng must be pretty broken ;) |
| 23:15.30 | dent | aha, that was the advice? |
| 23:16.03 | Undrwater | look at the topic |
| 23:16.20 | dent | that sucks... I had my FR dead after opkg went havoc some two weeks ago. Now decided to revive my FR as I'm leaving somewhere and I could use the FR. |
| 23:16.33 | Undrwater | try testing? |
| 23:16.50 | dent | aaa I see the topic now... didn't fit in terminal; thx for pointing it out |
| 23:17.08 | dent | then I'll try the recommented image |
| 23:17.28 | Undrwater | it's the same one u have i believe |
| 23:18.06 | dent | I tried lite-om-gta02.tar.gz, which has the the same date. Sigh. |
| 23:18.22 | dent | I'll yet try to build somehting locally, but given the topic, I don't have much hope in that. |
| 23:18.56 | dent | why it has to be the way things break right when you need em? :) |
| 23:19.12 | Undrwater | 'cause we're using "unstable" :) |
| 23:19.55 | dent | I'd better got some sleep... I'll see if I can do something about it in the morning. |
| 23:20.01 | dent | bye |
| 23:22.41 | Undrwater | later |
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| 23:25.50 | Slaxxer | Doc u have pay-pal? |
| 23:26.24 | Slaxxer | are these known to be good antenna ? |
| 23:28.11 | Slaxxer | i did a continuity test on the center connector on the plug to the module an there was no continuity |
| 23:30.19 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5436 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/gta02-core-comp.pro: Added ge865.lib to components/gta02-core-comp.pro |
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| 23:33.45 | Slaxxer | why the change to opkg-cl |
| 23:34.08 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5437 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/GETTING-STARTED: Added getting started instructions. |
| 23:46.30 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5438 10/trunk/gta02-core/README: README: added pointer to GETTING-STARTED |
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