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| 00:49.53 | voltagex | hi, I've got a GTA02, just failed to upgrade to OM2008.12 |
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| 00:50.13 | voltagex | I'm getting some kind of error about a "magic bitmask" |
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| 00:54.37 | voltagex | anyone? |
| 00:59.42 | ndnihil | never seen that error |
| 00:59.48 | ndnihil | during what part of the process did you see it? |
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| 01:03.33 | voltagex | ndnihil: during boot after flashing |
| 01:04.41 | voltagex | tried reflashing, same thing |
| 01:04.55 | ndnihil | try resetting the device then reflashing? |
| 01:05.04 | voltagex | yes |
| 01:05.14 | voltagex | ah there we go, after 10min the errors stop scrolling |
| 01:05.18 | voltagex | Kernel panic! |
| 01:05.33 | ndnihil | that sounds more like a bad image |
| 01:05.48 | ndnihil | are you flashing the same image over and over, or have you tried something different? |
| 01:05.50 | voltagex | "Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (31,6)" |
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| 01:07.24 | voltagex | ndnihil: which image do you suggest? |
| 01:07.51 | ndnihil | I've had pretty good luck with shr-unstable 20090703 |
| 01:07.58 | ndnihil | kernel 119821 |
| 01:08.10 | voltagex | ndnihil: the wiki makes it sound like shr is unusable |
| 01:08.23 | ndnihil | its probably the most usable of all the dists |
| 01:08.28 | voltagex | although, would be more usable than my device is now :P |
| 01:09.11 | voltagex | erm |
| 01:09.16 | voltagex | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ ? |
| 01:09.33 | ndnihil | I get mine from build.shr-project.org |
| 01:09.41 | ndnihil | but I think there's one in the topic |
| 01:09.48 | ndnihil | | Recommended SHR: |
| 01:09.49 | ndnihil | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* - DO NOT "opkg upgrade"! | |
| 01:10.07 | ndnihil | Ainulindale set that last night |
| 01:13.40 | voltagex | aha! |
| 01:13.45 | voltagex | you're gonna call me a noob now. |
| 01:13.53 | voltagex | I flashed a .tar.gz as the rootfs. |
| 01:14.00 | ndnihil | noob |
| 01:14.02 | ndnihil | ;) |
| 01:14.13 | voltagex | I can't believe I did that |
| 01:14.23 | voltagex | it's the .jffs2 file I need right? |
| 01:14.27 | ndnihil | yep |
| 01:14.42 | ndnihil | assuming you're flashing to nand via dfu |
| 01:14.53 | voltagex | neotool.sh |
| 01:15.02 | voltagex | but yeah, dfu-util |
| 01:15.07 | ndnihil | wrapper around dfu-util? |
| 01:15.08 | ndnihil | yeh |
| 01:16.30 | voltagex | sigh, 64mb takes a while on this connection |
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| 01:16.59 | voltagex | I haven't bricked this have I? |
| 01:17.05 | ndnihil | nah |
| 01:17.11 | ndnihil | its nearly impossible to brick |
| 01:17.42 | voltagex | cool |
| 01:17.50 | voltagex | just bought it |
| 01:18.00 | voltagex | seems to have come with an incomplete distro out of the box |
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| 01:21.59 | ndnihil | buy it new? |
| 01:22.09 | ndnihil | I think they still come with om2007 out of the box |
| 01:24.43 | voltagex | yeah new |
| 01:25.02 | voltagex | all I know is Settings wouldn't open |
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| 01:51.15 | Psi | voltagex: flash to SHR is probably the first thing to do :) |
| 01:52.32 | drascus321 | I am thinking of switching from SHR to Qtmoko for some reason even after editing the config file call volume is still to low to be usable |
| 01:53.05 | drascus321 | I am hoping to have better results with qtmoko. has anyone here been using it who might be able to back up that thinking |
| 01:54.11 | d-b | shr is nice |
| 01:54.51 | voltagex | Psi: shr stops at the "Select System Menu" screen |
| 01:55.02 | d-b | drascus321: i also have audio is too soft in call mode speaker is wgat i use instead |
| 01:56.19 | Psi | voltagex: hm.. |
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| 01:57.59 | drascus321 | I like SHR a lot. I wish I had better PIM apps and I wish the Call volume was better |
| 01:58.08 | drascus321 | if I could get that worked out I would be sold. |
| 01:58.13 | drascus321 | maybe in the next release |
| 01:58.30 | voltagex | offtopic slightly, anyone in Australia know where to get a GPS antenna? |
| 01:59.30 | d-b | voltagex: ah there are a few places .. do you really need it |
| 01:59.40 | d-b | -google :) |
| 01:59.48 | voltagex | d-b: can't even get a lock outside |
| 02:00.04 | d-b | voltagex: are you serious? |
| 02:00.13 | d-b | im in syd i get locks :) |
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| 02:00.25 | voltagex | hrm, also, how do I get SHR to connect to wifi? |
| 02:00.33 | drascus321 | offtopic but Free Software Related if you haven't yet please sign the Defective by Design Petition they are in the final push in the Campaign against Amazon: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/action/open_letter/we_believe_freedom_read |
| 02:00.36 | voltagex | d-b: canberra, couldn't get locks |
| 02:07.43 | voltagex | wifi on SHR anyone? |
| 02:09.12 | drascus321 | you can from command line |
| 02:09.19 | drascus321 | I haven't been able to do it graphically |
| 02:10.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | voltagex: i got an antenna from dick smith, $50 |
| 02:10.27 | voltagex | ouch |
| 02:10.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | voltagex: and i was getting a lock in canberra (using said antenna) |
| 02:11.36 | voltagex | hmm ok |
| 02:11.46 | voltagex | yet others can get a lock with no external antenna? |
| 02:12.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | I maintained the lock with no antenna, but I didn't try acquiring a lock without the antenna, so i cant comment on that bit. |
| 02:12.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 02:12.38 | drascus321 | well I have no probelm but I am in the USA so totally different from your situation |
| 02:14.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | canberra is a hole in a hole. thats the problem there ;) |
| 02:20.41 | ndnihil | I'm in the US, and get a lock indoors in a house that is made of plaster and wire mesh (think large faraday cage) |
| 02:20.56 | ndnihil | my garmin handheld wont fix, but the FR does |
| 02:21.36 | ndnihil | pretty quickly at that |
| 02:22.02 | drascus321 | same here ndnihil it works really well for me |
| 02:22.02 | ndnihil | earlier dists I tried weren't that good though, sometimes it wouldnt fix, and if it did, it would take ages |
| 02:26.08 | voltagex | ok, how do I make tangoGPS attempt a lock? |
| 02:30.04 | Slaxxer | restarting tango should do it in shr |
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| 02:32.49 | voltagex | sigh |
| 02:32.56 | voltagex | no lock, no wireless |
| 02:34.44 | Slaxxer | which image is it? |
| 02:34.51 | voltagex | the one in the topic |
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| 02:35.55 | Slaxxer | dont use the latest kernel |
| 02:36.23 | voltagex | which kernel? |
| 02:36.38 | Slaxxer | thats a tough one |
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| 02:36.56 | voltagex | if it's in the topic, I can't see it as irssi is cutting it off. |
| 02:37.43 | Slaxxer | hackable 1? |
| 02:37.51 | voltagex | shr |
| 02:38.35 | Slaxxer | i move back to 0721 |
| 02:40.08 | voltagex | rootfs or kernel? |
| 02:44.51 | drascus321 | the ones suggested by the wiki worked fine for me |
| 02:46.14 | voltagex | openmoko or shr wiki? |
| 02:50.05 | drascus321 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual |
| 02:50.56 | drascus321 | the root file system and the Kernel listed here under getting SHR worked fine for me |
| 02:51.06 | drascus321 | but you might want to go with and older one |
| 02:52.23 | drascus321 | but now that I check the older ones don't seem available anymore so never mind |
| 02:54.45 | voltagex | ok reflashed with latest kernel |
| 02:55.11 | drascus321 | hey if you figure out how to fix the call volume let me know |
| 02:55.27 | voltagex | it's not a const in the source is it? |
| 02:55.33 | voltagex | or something simple like that? |
| 02:56.08 | drascus321 | well there is a conf and I modified it following the wiki's suggestion and it seemed to not help things |
| 02:56.20 | drascus321 | but your experience may be different |
| 02:56.26 | voltagex | yeah I saw that |
| 02:57.18 | drascus321 | Slaxxer where did you get the files for 0721? |
| 02:57.37 | drascus321 | I had good luck with that one but i don't see the files available for it anymore |
| 02:57.55 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.02 | drascus321 | thanks |
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| 03:00.09 | Slaxxer | links on the wiki are broken |
| 03:00.23 | Slaxxer | shr-manual |
| 03:00.34 | drascus321 | Slaxxer: I found with the latest images I couldn't change the call volume but with the older ones I could |
| 03:01.27 | Slaxxer | why do u need to change the call volume?' |
| 03:01.48 | drascus321 | because I can't hear the other person on the other end |
| 03:02.39 | voltagex | I'm a linux noob really, running ubuntu here, how to allow the freerunner to connect to the net via usb? |
| 03:02.57 | drascus321 | on the wiki see usb networking |
| 03:03.14 | Slaxxer | kernel 119821+ |
| 03:03.26 | Slaxxer | well stopit |
| 03:04.28 | Slaxxer | ifconfig -a note the output |
| 03:04.57 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.22 | Slaxxer | determine what your machine names your neo |
| 03:05.42 | Slaxxer | the putput!! |
| 03:06.15 | Slaxxer | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 03:06.15 | Slaxxer | <Slaxxed> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 03:06.15 | Slaxxer | <Slaxxed> ifconfig eth2 up |
| 03:06.15 | Slaxxer | <Slaxxed> ip addr add 192.168.0.200/28 dev eth2 |
| 03:06.31 | Slaxxer | as root |
| 03:06.39 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.15 | Slaxxer | konsole as regular user an ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 03:07.29 | Slaxxer | are u in yet? |
| 03:08.09 | drascus321 | Voltagex: there is a good mostly graphical method offered in the wiki |
| 03:08.26 | Slaxxer | change the eth2 to whatever your machine names your neo:) |
| 03:10.54 | voltagex | ot@om-gta02 ~ $ ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 03:10.54 | voltagex | PING 4.2.2.2 (4.2.2.2): 56 data bytes |
| 03:10.55 | voltagex | 64 bytes from 4.2.2.2: seq=0 ttl=50 time=248.315 ms |
| 03:10.59 | voltagex | :D :D |
| 03:11.46 | voltagex | o.O opkg isn't installed |
| 03:12.38 | voltagex | nevermind got it |
| 03:12.41 | Slaxxer | older image |
| 03:12.51 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.51 | voltagex | latest image |
| 03:12.56 | voltagex | it's called opkg-cl |
| 03:13.04 | Slaxxer | oo |
| 03:13.22 | Slaxxer | opkg-cl update |
| 03:13.26 | Slaxxer | ?? |
| 03:13.41 | Slaxxer | why did that happen |
| 03:14.32 | voltagex | no idea |
| 03:14.48 | Slaxxer | where is that mostly grafical way at anyways>?' |
| 03:16.27 | drascus321 | basically set it up in network manager then you can just ssh in |
| 03:17.12 | voltagex | network manager? |
| 03:17.52 | drascus321 | in ubuntu |
| 03:18.35 | voltagex | I want to be able to use wifi |
| 03:18.36 | voltagex | really. |
| 03:21.32 | Slaxxer | set your lan to 192.168.1.1 an then 192.168.0.1 will be the wireless |
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| 03:28.33 | voltagex | later |
| 03:28.38 | voltagex | thanks for your help all |
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| 03:34.45 | Slaxxer | duke nukem needs fixed |
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| 04:44.43 | gurugentoo | hey guys, does mokonnect work for anyone with wifi? I can see networks with `iwlist eth0 scan` but I don't see scan results in Mokonnect |
| 04:45.34 | drascus321 | doesn't work for me |
| 04:45.56 | gurugentoo | what are you currently using? |
| 04:46.19 | drascus321 | command line |
| 04:46.28 | gurugentoo | ok |
| 04:46.41 | gurugentoo | nice and finger-friendly |
| 04:46.59 | drascus321 | mhmm |
| 04:47.35 | rooly | is ranting about how foss devs should never ever name things |
| 04:48.15 | gurugentoo | "mokonnect" or otherwise? |
| 04:48.45 | rooly | to me? |
| 04:49.56 | gurugentoo | rooly: yes |
| 04:50.09 | rooly | in general |
| 04:50.12 | rooly | openmoko |
| 04:50.14 | rooly | fso |
| 04:50.16 | rooly | shr |
| 04:50.21 | rooly | fdom |
| 04:50.25 | rooly | mokonnect |
| 04:50.41 | rooly | hell, plain old 'gnu' |
| 04:50.49 | rooly | the list is honestly neverending |
| 04:50.57 | rooly | as to why foss devs should never name something |
| 04:51.59 | gurugentoo | the name Neo works |
| 04:52.15 | gurugentoo | not sure about freerunner |
| 04:52.33 | rooly | neo is a great name |
| 04:52.35 | rooly | neo 1973 |
| 04:52.36 | rooly | no |
| 04:52.41 | rooly | freerunner |
| 04:52.42 | rooly | no |
| 04:52.46 | rooly | too long winded |
| 04:53.01 | rooly | it takes me 2 breaths just to say the name of my damn phone |
| 04:53.22 | rooly | the openmoko gta02-a7 neo freerunner |
| 04:53.53 | gurugentoo | neo for short |
| 04:54.46 | gurugentoo | I don't bother with the name typically |
| 04:54.52 | rooly | i have to |
| 04:54.54 | gurugentoo | I just explain what it is |
| 04:55.00 | rooly | i'm the only one in the whole damn state with one of these |
| 04:55.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | 12:53 < rooly> it takes me 2 breaths just to say the name of my damn phone |
| 04:55.12 | gurugentoo | nice |
| 04:55.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | two breaths o_0 |
| 04:55.26 | rooly | i was exagerating, of course |
| 04:55.52 | rooly | i've gotten to the point of simply telling people who are only mildly interested (and there are ALOT of them) "It's the only one you'll ever see like it" |
| 04:56.07 | rooly | same length as its actual name |
| 04:56.14 | rooly | but then i don't have to explain the name |
| 04:56.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | h hahahaha |
| 04:56.39 | rooly | IE, openmoko, neo freerunner, neo, neo 1973, gta01/02, a#, etc |
| 04:57.36 | rooly | as far as names go, openmoko is a bit better than most |
| 04:58.15 | gurugentoo | I just go with linux-based computer that's also a phone |
| 05:05.06 | gurugentoo | I'm still having no luck with command line wpa_supplicant |
| 05:05.35 | gurugentoo | I keep getting "Failed to initiate AP scan." |
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| 05:15.07 | rooly | nn |
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| 05:35.21 | drascus321 | question in the gsmheadsetstate config file why is there two values for control 4? |
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| 06:25.50 | methril|work | morning |
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| 08:17.01 | Ainulindale | Hey there |
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| 09:22.30 | Daramarak | I am having trouble with the Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS driver in windows with kernel 2.6.29-rc2 and om2009 testing 5. Are there any one else having this problem? |
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| 09:23.29 | xyzz | still not safe to upgrade? hmm |
| 09:24.37 | Daramarak | I get a code 10, cannot start, in the devicemanager in windows. Sounds like regression of ticket #1279 |
| 09:25.55 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: what is that kernel? |
| 09:26.40 | Daramarak | the ticket? |
| 09:26.52 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: no, give me the kernel rev |
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| 09:27.01 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: git hash |
| 09:29.16 | Daramarak | oh, I downloaded it from the testing5 site, the files are on another computer. Is there any way of checking that on the FR? |
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| 09:32.24 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: no idea, i've always built kernel myself |
| 09:33.09 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: do you see any oopses on FR after you try to connect? |
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| 09:40.19 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: How do i check? |
| 09:40.35 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: dmesg usually works best |
| 09:44.25 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd751bb0cf4eb 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): all: catch up with new logging API |
| 09:45.36 | edje2 | hi all, i have the feeling that my freerunner is a bit slow. would some of you be so kind to compile and run the program i posted on http://pastebin.com/m586b1859 and report the run time? for me it takes around 40 seconds to complete |
| 09:46.57 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Nothin bad here. g_ether gadget: full speed config #2 : RNDIS and pcf50633 0-0073 : usb curlib to 500mA |
| 09:49.20 | SpeedEvil | edje2: yes - it will bentob0x |
| 09:49.25 | SpeedEvil | edje2: be |
| 09:49.31 | SpeedEvil | edje2: no FP unit |
| 09:49.35 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: what is the build date for your kernel (uname -a should shouw it) |
| 09:49.55 | SpeedEvil | edje2: so you're measuring the speed of emulated floats - which are slow - avoid them |
| 09:50.07 | edje2 | SpeedEvil: hmm, but i am using only integers right? |
| 09:50.09 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: It is Jun 16 06:06:19 |
| 09:50.15 | SpeedEvil | edje2: no |
| 09:50.28 | SpeedEvil | Â double i; |
| 09:50.44 | PaulFertser | edje2: http://paste.debian.net/43964/ |
| 09:51.33 | edje2 | PaulFertser: thanks, that is even worse then i have ;-) |
| 09:51.47 | SpeedEvil | edje2: try int i - and it should complete in under a second |
| 09:52.20 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: the last commit that can have any relation to rndis networking is http://paste.debian.net/43964/ |
| 09:52.26 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: hm, not that :) |
| 09:52.30 | edje2 | yes, but it is to long for an integer, so i am copiling with long now |
| 09:52.34 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: Jun 11 |
| 09:52.44 | SpeedEvil | edje2: 99 million is not too long for int |
| 09:52.54 | SpeedEvil | edje2: int goes up to 2^31 or so |
| 09:53.04 | edje2 | real 0m0.035s |
| 09:53.07 | edje2 | :-) |
| 09:53.50 | SpeedEvil | I susppect the compiler may be optimising that out - I'm unsure |
| 09:53.53 | SpeedEvil | that's too fast |
| 09:54.24 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if the compiler is that smart |
| 09:54.41 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: try with different PC/cable/without hub etc. Usual stuff. |
| 09:55.04 | SpeedEvil | edje2: I would expect something of the order of 0.8s or so |
| 09:55.11 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: will do, ill get back with some results. |
| 09:55.13 | edje2 | SpeedEvil: it did, i recompiled with -O0 and now it takes: real 0m5.006s |
| 09:55.30 | SpeedEvil | edje2: try int |
| 09:55.43 | edje2 | that is with int |
| 09:55.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 09:57.14 | SpeedEvil | edje2: 5s does seem too slow - I'd have thought it'd be somewhat faster than that. |
| 09:57.28 | SpeedEvil | edje2: for something entirely in cache |
| 09:57.48 | edje2 | that is why i asked for other people to try it, i feel it is a bit slow too |
| 09:59.03 | SpeedEvil | edje2: you're sure it's int - not long you're compiling with? try for(x=9999..;x>0;x--); |
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| 09:59.34 | edje2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.35 | edje2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.39 | edje2 | yes, i am suer ! |
| 09:59.43 | edje2 | sure* |
| 10:01.02 | edje2 | SpeedEvil: how fast is it on your FR ? |
| 10:01.07 | SpeedEvil | edje2: I'd try inspecting the generated code - I forget the flag. |
| 10:01.26 | SpeedEvil | edje2: I don't have a FR. Spent all my allocated toy money on the neo. |
| 10:01.59 | PaulFertser | edje2: -S |
| 10:04.27 | edje2 | i am not sure what this is all about: http://pastebin.com/m2cdce4a6 |
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| 10:06.03 | PaulFertser | is amazed to see how much discussion some very insignificant topics (like "hall of fame" or some other stupid stuff) receive on community ML while important questions are misunderstood/ignored. Shit. |
| 10:07.30 | alephnull | Bitching about the community is a mug's game... |
| 10:07.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | but does releive stress |
| 10:08.33 | edje2 | well, i am out for lunch, back in about half an hour |
| 10:10.14 | PaulFertser | alephnull: man, i really hoped that openmoko community would be less consumerist. There're quite some people who do understand stuff, some who can code and some that are working really hard but the majority is hm... Well, it's not what i expect from a hacker community. |
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| 10:13.54 | SpeedEvil | edje2: IIRC - ldr r3, [fp, #-20] - load r3 from the address in memory pointed to by fp-20 - is quite slow - 2 clocks. And there are a lot of them per loop gcc is just being very dim in this case - and not using registers at all sensibly - x should be one, ... |
| 10:16.17 | alephnull | PaulFertser: I see your point. But I don't see things changing. |
| 10:17.12 | PaulFertser | alephnull: hehe, whenever i do something that can really change things (being rude and "elitist" to the "end-users") i always get blamed ;) |
| 10:18.07 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Ok, tested with different ports, and I have tested on a another computer at home. No luck, same error everywhere. |
| 10:18.33 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: well, try a kernel version that was built from the revision you know |
| 10:19.50 | PaulFertser | alephnull: you see here SpeedEvil talking about arm clock cycles (i don't know that stuff btw, SpeedEvil is way ahead of me here) and on the community list they spread misinformation and vote about wiki pages design... |
| 10:21.13 | nullix | PaulFertser: i would like to help but i have so few time, if there were a list of very small fixes that can be done, i could in two hours a week to something. to eat an elephant eat him small piece by small piece. but i didn't find so small things, each problem i faced asked so much time... i mostly waited for fixes... |
| 10:21.54 | alephnull | PaulFertser: Preaching to the choir, brother :) |
| 10:22.25 | nullix | so i am an average customer while i would like to be an active participant. |
| 10:22.26 | PaulFertser | nullix: being a busy man is ok. But being stupid/*nix-illiterate just doesn't belong here. ;) |
| 10:24.24 | nullix | being a *nix-illiterate is for me incompatible with purchasing a *nix development phone kit. |
| 10:24.53 | SpeedEvil | layout is fine to talk about. Vastyl more important is for someone who's at least used the recent softweare going through the wiki and tagging every irrelevant page |
| 10:26.02 | SpeedEvil | In some ways translation makes this harder. |
| 10:27.52 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'd prefer to discuss "policy" issues. E.g. i'm sure there shouldn't be working iptables recipies on the wiki because they don't give understanding and most of the time don't work. But it's a policy thing. |
| 10:28.07 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 10:28.48 | SpeedEvil | But going through the wiki and actually editing for content is a couple of orders of magnitude harder than tagging. |
| 10:28.58 | SpeedEvil | You'd actually need to pay someone I suspect. |
| 10:31.20 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: we had one employee that was payed for editing the wiki. Unfortunately, it didn't help anything :-/ And nobody (except me!) complained. Quite the opposite, i was blamed for being "bad" for complaining :( |
| 10:31.56 | SpeedEvil | can you elaborate on the problems? Form over content? |
| 10:33.18 | SpeedEvil | though irrelevant now I suppose. |
| 10:34.11 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the main problem is that our wiki sucks ;) I think that all that layout, design etc stuff is nowhere near as important as the content. And the content is often wrong and outdated. Or just doesn't make sense or misleading (like usb networking instructions with plenty of useless recipies for ubuntu users). |
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| 10:35.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the official OM editor couldn't change the content at all mostly because she couldn't understand a bit of it and also because she couldn't write something even remotely close to proper English. |
| 10:35.56 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 10:36.29 | PaulFertser | (i can't say i'm that smart and good-looking^W can write proper articles but i'm not employed to edit the wiki) |
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| 10:37.25 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like some of hte comments made on the Gajinsmash blog about his work doing japanese-english translation - and the bosses simply not understanding why it wasn't like japanese-chinese. |
| 10:37.27 | PaulFertser | But OM community said, "it's ok, Brenda, go ahead". And even after more than half a year with the community she still couldn't use her MUA in a decent way. |
| 10:37.54 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: can you share a link? |
| 10:38.34 | SpeedEvil | looking |
| 10:41.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/sour_apples_par.phtml - |
| 10:42.29 | SpeedEvil | (JET = japanese english teacher - a program to get native english speakers into japanese schools) |
| 10:43.01 | SpeedEvil | Often hilarious blog of a large black american man teaching japanese (and other topics) |
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| 10:45.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5423 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files): |
| 10:45.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - put hbox around frame table so that it doesn't grow when we give it more |
| 10:45.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: space than it needs |
| 10:45.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - dump.c: separated ordering function from actual printing |
| 10:45.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added list of vectors and object (on the right side of the variables) |
| 10:46.22 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: thanks! :) |
| 10:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Yet another thing to do on the internet to avoid working! :) |
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| 11:18.37 | geaaru | hi, i'm trying to use navit on gta01 and i intalled all planet.bin file, but when i try to start navit i have this error |
| 11:18.47 | geaaru | mmap: Cannot allocate memory |
| 11:19.10 | geaaru | can be loaded planet.bin maps on gta01 or it is needed loaded only small maps? |
| 11:19.26 | SpeedEvil | I'd try adding some swap |
| 11:19.35 | SpeedEvil | (never tried navit) |
| 11:19.35 | geaaru | no :) i try |
| 11:22.13 | geaaru | added, but some problem |
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| 11:25.32 | geaaru | but all maps files are loaded in ram before use, because if is so, it isn't possible that could be used with planet file |
| 11:27.02 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5424 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_frame.c gui_style.h inst.c inst.h): |
| 11:27.02 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - changed item list font to Courier, which looks a lot tidier |
| 11:27.02 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - active items can now be selected from the item list (selecting inactive items |
| 11:27.02 | CIA-52 | openmoko: will be a little harder) |
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| 11:30.14 | SpeedEvil | I don't know - I would think that loading the whole map would be silly. |
| 11:30.23 | SpeedEvil | Bu I don't know if navit actually does that |
| 11:31.38 | rhaeder | I found some possible hardware issue, I think |
| 11:32.13 | rhaeder | when I left my FR turned on for +24h the screen got snowed :( |
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| 11:32.31 | geaaru | maybe map file is broken... if i remove loading by navit.xml file navit start... i don't .. i will try with other map file, thanks for replies |
| 11:32.53 | rhaeder | I can reproduce this by conencting the FR to my computer (which runs 24/7) and turn the display on |
| 11:33.29 | ndnihil | rhaeder: I've done the same with no ill effects |
| 11:33.37 | rhaeder | hmmm |
| 11:33.52 | rhaeder | I use omnewrotate |
| 11:33.59 | ndnihil | as do I |
| 11:34.24 | ndnihil | what dist do you use? |
| 11:34.38 | ndnihil | I'm on shr-unstable from early last month |
| 11:34.49 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i could never understand how one can work so much and what for... Japan i weird. |
| 11:35.04 | rhaeder | paroli, maybe that is shr-unstable? |
| 11:35.29 | ndnihil | no, paroli is OM2008(9?) |
| 11:38.03 | rhaeder | 2009 :) |
| 11:38.12 | rhaeder | I have latest packages |
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| 11:44.39 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: that's teh conclusion I came to. |
| 11:47.17 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: one of my buddies from the university started to learn japanese and 3 years later decided to move there. :( I know that he learned some common lisp and got 3 broken alpha-based machines in his spare time. I don't even know what does he do currently during the workhours and for some reason i feel it's inappropriate to ask. And we were good buddies... |
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| 12:13.40 | _r1_ | hi |
| 12:15.12 | _r1_ | I'm on Ubuntu with a FR, trying to put it as USB mass storage. I make some mknod (major 179), but still have an error on g_file_data insert module |
| 12:15.32 | _r1_ | I follow this (at start) http://88.198.93.221/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device |
| 12:16.12 | _r1_ | I just want to know if there is a solution for this problem or if it's specific to me. |
| 12:16.20 | PaulFertser | _r1_: are you sure you really want that? scp works so well... |
| 12:16.36 | _r1_ | I know, but I really want that |
| 12:17.23 | PaulFertser | _r1_: where did you find the advice to do mknod? |
| 12:18.14 | _r1_ | first in my mind :) then on a website |
| 12:18.32 | _r1_ | (for the major) |
| 12:18.48 | PaulFertser | _r1_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device ? |
| 12:18.51 | _r1_ | right her: http://www.armadeus.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_Gadget |
| 12:19.01 | _r1_ | not here |
| 12:19.20 | _r1_ | but without the device the module says "no such file..." |
| 12:19.24 | PaulFertser | _r1_: follow the instructions from official OM wiki then. And report what exactly doesn't work. |
| 12:19.41 | PaulFertser | _r1_: modprobe reports no such file? |
| 12:19.45 | rhaeder | "hcitool dev" returns me no BT device. I used this script: http://www.nopaste.org/p/aWadob6rF |
| 12:19.56 | rhaeder | any ideas? need a modprobe somewhere? |
| 12:20.05 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: no |
| 12:20.13 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: you need to read FSO_Resources wiki page! |
| 12:20.18 | _r1_ | PaulFertser: Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:20.34 | PaulFertser | _r1_: and dmesg says? |
| 12:20.35 | _r1_ | and in dmesg : g_file_storage gadget-lun0: unable to open backing file: /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 12:20.43 | _r1_ | (sorry mistake erlier) |
| 12:22.02 | _r1_ | so I say myself that the device don't exist... Certainly my mistake. |
| 12:22.11 | ndnihil | *cough*partition*cough* |
| 12:22.12 | PaulFertser | _r1_: well, you're supposed to not have uSD mounted before you do use g_filestorage. |
| 12:22.38 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: are you sure? usb mass storage device usually have partition table on its own. |
| 12:23.15 | rhaeder | got, so I need fsoraw? |
| 12:23.18 | rhaeder | ok |
| 12:23.25 | rhaeder | opps^ |
| 12:23.35 | ndnihil | if its going to serve up the filesystem, it needs to know about the filesystem, not the device, no? |
| 12:23.47 | _r1_ | PaulFertser: you mean that I have to umount on FR? (sorry I totally discover the FR. |
| 12:24.01 | ndnihil | havent played with it since I last had one of the NGW100 boards running |
| 12:24.05 | PaulFertser | _r1_: FR _is_ gnu/linux machine. |
| 12:24.24 | PaulFertser | _r1_: you want FR to pretend it's a mass storage device. By "exporting" one of the files. |
| 12:24.43 | PaulFertser | _r1_: your command shows you want to "export" uSD. Well, you shouldn't have it mounted then, obviously! |
| 12:25.19 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: g_filestorage serves raw device. |
| 12:25.29 | _r1_ | PaulFertser: kay |
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| 12:27.19 | ndnihil | I could have been using a different module |
| 12:27.31 | ndnihil | set them up so they could be plugged into edit the config |
| 12:27.47 | ndnihil | companion systems to PBX's in each office |
| 12:28.00 | ndnihil | and I can't find my dev board |
| 12:29.03 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you can export raw partition, you can export raw device. Would work as well. Some mass storage devices come without partition table at all ("superfloppy"). |
| 12:29.10 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: so that doesn't prove anything. |
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| 12:46.22 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: It's extremely weird to see that guy got himself in such a tough situation just because of some stupid wedding :-/ |
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| 12:54.21 | rhaeder | PaulFertser: it worked, but only temporarily |
| 12:54.22 | rhaeder | hmmm |
| 12:54.45 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: what did work? Reading FSO_Resources? ;) |
| 12:54.56 | rhaeder | no ;) |
| 12:55.14 | rhaeder | tried this: fsoraw -r Bluetooth sleep 1; hcitool dev |
| 12:55.26 | rhaeder | and it listed a device |
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| 12:56.28 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: hm, if you tried literally what you wrote that means you misunderstood the page :( |
| 12:56.31 | rhaeder | that sleep is required because the BT device (in the FR) needs to be woken up |
| 12:56.35 | Daramarak | rhaeder: isn't that because it releases it after sleep is done? |
| 12:56.56 | rhaeder | hmm |
| 12:57.13 | rhaeder | i think the device got releases after the hcitool call :) |
| 12:57.23 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: wrong |
| 12:57.31 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: the device got released after fsoraw call. |
| 12:57.43 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: yes, right |
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| 13:03.37 | edje2 | fsoraw -r Bluetooth sleep 30 & sleep 10; hcitool dev |
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| 13:04.36 | edje2 | will keep bluetooth alive for 30 seconds and wait 10 seconds for the BT to settle and then lists the device |
| 13:05.37 | rhaeder | simple-agent should be extended with the fsoraw-calls, I think? :) |
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| 13:08.45 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: why? It's unix, combine the things the way you need. |
| 13:09.17 | PaulFertser | edje2: not exactly elegant way. Why all you don't like what i proposed on the wiki? |
| 13:09.24 | rhaeder | ok, created a small wrapper shell script (I'm not very much in python) |
| 13:10.11 | edje2 | hi paul, i was just trying to see what worked. do you have a link to your wiki? i am intrested ! |
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| 13:12.10 | PaulFertser | edje2: FSO_Resources page |
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| 13:13.16 | rhaeder | that dbus call is the permanent version (see manual config) |
| 13:13.21 | rhaeder | :D |
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| 13:13.31 | rhaeder | I can see a Nokia3650 here |
| 13:14.01 | edje2 | fsoraw -r Bluetooth -- bash -c "sleep 1; hcitool dev" <--- right more elegant indeed ! |
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| 13:21.30 | PaulFertser | edje2: i was _so_ pissed that most users don't understand the idea of "resources" and have never heard about fsoraw that i decided i'd save me trouble explaining everything over and over again and made a wiki page ;) |
| 13:21.56 | rhaeder | good idea :) |
| 13:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | thank you for flying.... err using fsoraw :-D |
| 13:22.17 | edje2 | great, especially examples are really valuable |
| 13:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | which reminds me I need to add a further requirement to fsoraw ticket |
| 13:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | handle resource_available signals |
| 13:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | --signal-on-rsrc-vanish SIGINT |
| 13:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | --echo-on-rsrc-vanish "quit" |
| 13:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | --exec-on-rsrc-vanish "killall mp3player" |
| 13:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | --exec-on-rsrc-vanish "killall %self" |
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| 13:35.06 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I use the om2009 testing 5 distro and I get a fsoraw not found. |
| 13:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | opkg install fsoraw |
| 13:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | if that fails, pester the distro maintainer |
| 13:36.21 | Daramarak | ah damned, at work with my Windows machine, and having problems with the RNDIS driver. |
| 13:36.44 | Daramarak | no fsoraw for me :( |
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| 13:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | the binary isn't exactly distro-specific, so if you manage to get it on your device somehow, just throw into a $PATH directory and chmod +x |
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| 13:41.08 | Daramarak | well with no wifi and no usb networking, I am having a difficult time accessing the FR, ill have to wait until I get home. |
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| 13:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | uSD card still possible ;-) |
| 13:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, cya |
| 13:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
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| 13:48.48 | rhaeder | one question: is there a package 'svn' available? even www.opkg.org doesn't provide it |
| 13:50.09 | viq | rhaeder: look for subversion ? |
| 13:50.26 | rhaeder | jupp |
| 13:50.47 | rhaeder | so I can use subversion tools on my FR :) |
| 13:53.08 | viq | i mean look for such package ;) |
| 13:53.12 | viq | subversion, not svn |
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| 13:54.18 | rhaeder | tried it already |
| 13:54.41 | xyzz | rhaeder in openembedded buildtree is recipe for subversion |
| 13:55.12 | xyzz | so you cen build it yourself, or I can try to build it |
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| 13:59.58 | rhaeder | yes, please try it for me. I'm not very much in bitbaker |
| 14:00.05 | rhaeder | and so on :) |
| 14:00.43 | xyzz | rhaeder nor am I, but after one week of building packages, I still wonder how can that thing someone really use :) |
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| 14:01.50 | xyzz | failed, and doesnt look like trivial error |
| 14:02.13 | xyzz | I will look into it later, when I get from work |
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| 14:44.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5425 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README gui_canvas.c gui_frame.c gui_frame.h inst.c): |
| 14:44.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when selecting an object via the item list, make its frame active |
| 14:44.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - having variables and items on the screen at the same time was too much. We |
| 14:44.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: can now toggle with "/" while the canvas has the focus. (This needs better |
| 14:44.22 | CIA-52 | openmoko: controls.) |
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| 16:40.18 | Slaxxer | whats the difference in lite-om an shr-lite? |
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| 16:40.37 | rooly | lite-om? |
| 16:40.52 | Slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 16:41.05 | Slaxxer | full-om |
| 16:41.50 | elopio | do any of you use android? |
| 16:41.58 | Slaxxer | NO |
| 16:42.05 | Slaxxer | sdo u? |
| 16:42.47 | Slaxxer | panasonic whipped up 9 new linux phones using limo |
| 16:44.17 | Slaxxer | is it time for an shr-testing or what? |
| 16:45.36 | Slaxxer | rooly uses android |
| 16:45.38 | rooly | no |
| 16:45.39 | rooly | i don't |
| 16:45.43 | Slaxxer | :) |
| 16:46.20 | Slaxxer | superDave uses android |
| 16:46.38 | rooly | more like crashes android... |
| 16:47.10 | rooly | btw |
| 16:47.20 | rooly | you were asking what's the diff between shr-lite and shr-full? |
| 16:47.48 | Slaxxer | well theres another |
| 16:47.56 | rooly | oh |
| 16:47.57 | rooly | full-om |
| 16:48.05 | rooly | yeah, no diff |
| 16:48.06 | Slaxxer | an lite-om |
| 16:48.29 | Slaxxer | ok |
| 16:48.45 | rooly | you tell by the file size, date, and relative name/placing |
| 16:48.48 | Slaxxer | u have 0808? |
| 16:48.52 | rooly | nope |
| 16:49.01 | rooly | got tired of my dialer randomly crashing |
| 16:49.02 | Slaxxer | 0721? |
| 16:49.03 | rooly | i'm on paroli |
| 16:49.06 | Slaxxer | o |
| 16:49.13 | rooly | which doesn't crash |
| 16:49.25 | rooly | and is easy to modify |
| 16:49.39 | Slaxxer | an a fso desktop to? |
| 16:49.54 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 16:49.59 | Slaxxer | or just paroli? |
| 16:50.07 | rooly | paroli runs on a bare fso |
| 16:50.25 | rooly | with a few things like tichy, etk/efl, and python for e |
| 16:50.27 | Slaxxer | anyy wifi? |
| 16:50.35 | rooly | only working wifi around... |
| 16:50.46 | rooly | you just gotta route del default on first use |
| 16:50.49 | Slaxxer | wifi gui? |
| 16:50.52 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 16:52.03 | rooly | fastest wifi connection around |
| 16:52.04 | rooly | its weird |
| 16:52.06 | Slaxxer | may have to switch |
| 16:52.17 | rooly | there are other random bugs |
| 16:52.18 | rooly | but |
| 16:52.19 | Slaxxer | gps ok? |
| 16:52.23 | rooly | you don't have to delete sms's |
| 16:52.37 | rooly | might have to install fso-gpsd |
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| 16:53.00 | rooly | but i think tangogps relies on gpsd, and the repo decides to put fso-gpsd in for it |
| 16:53.03 | Slaxxer | using a daily paroli? |
| 16:53.07 | rooly | yessir |
| 16:53.17 | rooly | wait, as a daily phone, or a daily build |
| 16:53.54 | Slaxxer | build? |
| 16:54.02 | rooly | no |
| 16:54.04 | Slaxxer | ok |
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| 16:55.16 | Slaxxer | sso its 06162009? |
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| 16:58.50 | elopio | Slaxxer, I'm downloading full-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 16:59.00 | elopio | gave up with android for the moment. |
| 17:00.54 | Slaxxer | going to put it on sdcard? |
| 17:01.44 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5427 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (dump.c fbga.fpd gui_frame.c sc89.fpd): |
| 17:01.44 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - reduced padding around item lines |
| 17:01.44 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - item ordering heuristics failed to properly use "." |
| 17:01.45 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - updated description of "need" in dump.c |
| 17:01.45 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - saved fbga.fpd and sc89.fpd with new ordering |
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| 17:12.33 | Andre613 | hi gang. Does anyone here have a suggestion for a SIP softphone that works in SHR? |
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| 17:22.52 | mokowifi | Hi |
| 17:22.59 | mokowifi | --- busybox compile: Hi. I want to compile busybox for android on Openmoko (freerunner). I could not find a clear step by step for either Sourcery or other method. Can anyone point to a good resource? |
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| 17:26.26 | mokowifi | Hi TommyBres |
| 17:26.38 | mokowifi | I've posted the same q here |
| 17:26.56 | mokowifi | --- busybox compile: Hi. I want to compile busybox for android on Openmoko (freerunner). I could not find a clear step by step for either Sourcery or other method. Can anyone point to a good resource? |
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| 17:31.12 | TommyBres | drops a pin and listens to the echo |
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| 17:56.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5428 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README fbga.fpd sc89.fpd): |
| 17:56.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - named vectors in sc89.fpd |
| 17:56.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - README: described use of "loop" as "if" and change fbga.fpd to use this |
| 17:58.24 | Kagee | What is "fped" ? |
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| 18:04.10 | elopio | Slaxxer, I'm going to flash it. |
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| 18:27.51 | PaulFertser | Andre613: linphone? |
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| 18:48.05 | PaulFertser | WTF is that they asked me for bluetooth networking instructions and when finally i provided it nobody's interested and nobody's tried? Why? :-E |
| 18:56.25 | Kagee | PaulFertser: what? what? what? |
| 18:56.55 | Kagee | Where? |
| 18:57.16 | PaulFertser | Kagee: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Information_about_bluez4_networking |
| 18:57.20 | PaulFertser | Of course |
| 18:59.13 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: what makes you think no one's interested? |
| 18:59.24 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: no feedback whatsoever. |
| 18:59.39 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: the guy who asked for instructions became interested in compiling Blueman instead. |
| 18:59.56 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: others seem to have ignored the thread. |
| 19:00.22 | Undrwater | i've got a bookmark on the instructions...both for networking and for headset use... |
| 19:00.48 | Undrwater | right now my phone is unusable, but i'll be sure to give feedback when i try |
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| 19:01.19 | Undrwater | really appreciate the guides tho...i've seen that folks have made it work...so i look forward to it |
| 19:03.06 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: cool, thanks. I hope you know how to set up a Linux-based router in general because i provided only the instructions to get networking going, the interface configuration is out of scope. Either it's obvious or it requires to read quite some stuff about networking concepts and iptables anyway. |
| 19:04.17 | Undrwater | is that documented in the instructions? a pointer is always helpful |
| 19:04.34 | Undrwater | i mean, that the interface config is out of scope |
| 19:04.56 | Undrwater | some folks may not know what they don't know ;) |
| 19:07.59 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: Hm, not. I'm so fucking tired of being accused of being "elists" (just on the grounds i know how to read manual pages!) that i'm in fact reluctant to ditch all those useless iptables recipies and other stuff like that. |
| 19:08.15 | PaulFertser | s/elists/elitist/ |
| 19:08.28 | Kagee | PaulFertser: Using PC's connection from Neo and on is bluez3-style? (not yours?) |
| 19:09.32 | Kagee | i assume |
| 19:09.34 | PaulFertser | Kagee: "2.7.2 Using PC's connection from Neo" is some weird mess of useless recipies among with something that i think should stay. Of course, i haven't written it. |
| 19:09.40 | SpeedEvil | I've completely lost my BT headset. |
| 19:09.49 | SpeedEvil | Well - partially. |
| 19:09.56 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: now we're talking about "PAN" :D |
| 19:09.59 | SpeedEvil | I can locate it to within 20m*5m*2.5m |
| 19:10.39 | SpeedEvil | Is there such a thing as a bluetooth video image display device profile? |
| 19:10.46 | PaulFertser | BTW, i hoped i would benefit from the bluetooth instructions. Alas my sleeping place is just 0.5 a bit too far from my laptop place to actually be able to use my internet connection from my FR :( |
| 19:11.08 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: never heard of. I'm luckily not a bluetooth expert. |
| 19:11.25 | SpeedEvil | Just wondered if you'd come across it in your research. |
| 19:11.33 | SpeedEvil | I was sort-of-thinking of making one. |
| 19:13.08 | Kero | OK, so 2.6.24 does not do RTC wakeups. too bad, as 2.6.29 has too many other issues :( |
| 19:13.33 | Undrwater | nevermind...looks pretty good |
| 19:13.34 | PaulFertser | Kagee: you said earlier .29 doesn't do wakeups properly too, is it still true? |
| 19:13.45 | Kero | PaulFertser: I have not been able to reproduce those frequent resumes. |
| 19:14.36 | PaulFertser | Kero: what other issues does .29 have for you? |
| 19:14.53 | PaulFertser | Kero: except wsod and lack of uSD power management? |
| 19:14.59 | Kero | I think it unlikely that it was activity triggered by gsm/SIM/provider. people do not work late evening, and the noone has that phone number (as it'stemp) |
| 19:16.56 | Kero | uSD power mgmt? uBoot and uSD ;) kernel does it fine, and with proper /etc/fstab editing uSD is working well under .29 |
| 19:17.36 | Kero | it's the WS that's blocking. the non-warm-boot is annoying, and by now I think it's .29 not SHR. |
| 19:17.56 | Kero | but I only need to reboot because of WS. |
| 19:18.29 | PaulFertser | Kero: uSD is working, yes. But it's still working in suspend, sucking power too ;) |
| 19:19.33 | PaulFertser | Kero: so, do when you see the WSOD? Right after resume? Does it happen everytime? Is the system still responsive? |
| 19:21.24 | Kero | hadn't noticed uSD sucking power, yet. but hey, the new card is less than 24h old :) |
| 19:22.16 | Kero | WS would be immediately at resume. After a short period of being white ( I expect SW and HW drivers waking up ), it should show console and then X. |
| 19:22.22 | Kero | it never shows text |
| 19:23.21 | PaulFertser | Kero: can you suspend again after that? |
| 19:24.56 | Kero | from ssh, yes; but I haven't been able to re-resume without WS ono that. |
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| 19:25.16 | Kero | would it be useful to know whether touchscreen works? |
| 19:26.07 | Kero | (man, with its screen Neo is a lovely picture frame, too) |
| 19:27.01 | PaulFertser | Kero: hm, i think no, TS will just work as you say you can ssh in and everything else works... |
| 19:28.06 | PaulFertser | Kero: have you tried to do something like "echo qvga-normal > .../jbt.../state"? |
| 19:28.56 | Kero | confirms that warm reboots from .24 into .24 work just fine for GSM. |
| 19:29.00 | Kero | will boot to .29 now |
| 19:29.34 | Kero | nope, had figure out jbt is the relevant driver, but nothing more. |
| 19:30.52 | Kero | which is very much hitting you in the face when you google on WSOD. |
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| 19:41.47 | Kero | mm, spontaneous resume. |
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| 19:42.53 | Kero | dmesg lists: IRQ 17 asserted at resume / GSM wakeup interrupt (IRQ 17) |
| 19:43.08 | Kero | am I to take that as GSM triggered resume? |
| 19:43.57 | Kero | it's not even d*mn responsive to queries to provide channels... (warm reboot issue) |
| 19:44.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: right. You have also a special sysfs node to tell the resume reasnon. |
| 19:44.19 | Kero | there is? nice. where? |
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| 19:47.46 | PaulFertser | Kero: /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason |
| 19:48.06 | qknight | ah hi |
| 19:48.16 | qknight | i wonder if my openmoko device is broken |
| 19:48.18 | qknight | it crashes a lot |
| 19:48.19 | Kero | 000000 |
| 19:48.34 | Kero | nice number for a reason. how to translate? |
| 19:48.36 | qknight | i removed the sd card but still it crashes a lot (i'm using shr) |
| 19:49.35 | PaulFertser | Kero: hm... obviously gta01 is less advanced ;) http://paste.debian.net/44012/ |
| 19:49.54 | Kero | yeah, initial patch on openmoko-kernel is gta02 |
| 19:50.19 | PaulFertser | Kero: anyway, what about WSOD? |
| 19:50.49 | Kero | not happening when I need it... |
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| 19:52.07 | skamster20_ | hello all... is everything ready again to update? |
| 19:52.37 | PaulFertser | Kero: you mean you do not always have WSOD with .29? |
| 19:52.42 | Kero | is getting the idea he's reproducing the frequent auto-resume: due to warm reboot, nothing to do with RTC alarms.... |
| 19:52.44 | skamster20_ | i just think, because there are many fixes and new packages on the shr-buildhost |
| 19:52.52 | Kero | reboots coldly |
| 19:53.33 | skamster20_ | does someone test it? |
| 19:53.37 | Kero | PaulFertser: nope. only after at least some period in suspend. but I can not give you a real pattern or threshold, yet. |
| 19:53.39 | PaulFertser | skamster20_: looks like it... Read community ML. |
| 19:53.57 | PaulFertser | Kero: have you tried to suspend and resume again? Did it ever help? |
| 19:54.34 | Kero | a few times, did not help. |
| 19:55.09 | Kero | will kick boot.fbz off his system to save a slow second... |
| 19:57.04 | Kagee | PaulFertser: i ain't said nothing about no .29 |
| 19:59.14 | Kero | Kagee: that'll have been me :) |
| 20:00.43 | PaulFertser | Guys, what do you think of this song: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/30058 ? (CC license, indierock like, good recording quality, "primitive" style) |
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| 20:05.54 | Kero | not much of the particular track, but the site is cool. |
| 20:07.52 | PaulFertser | Kero: he "designed the default sounds for the popular instant messaging client Pidgin and have also released some open source packages for musicians" |
| 20:07.52 | Kero | button resume: dmesg sys: IRQ 50 asserted at resume |
| 20:07.54 | Kero | no WS yet |
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| 20:08.44 | Kero | hehe; music and sounds are different arts. |
| 20:09.20 | Kero | picked the intro os a couple of seconds from Parfum of To-Mera. The rest of the song is not quite so sweet as that piano. |
| 20:09.37 | Kero | for incoming SMS, played on the Neo, that is. |
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| 20:29.36 | mokowifi | busybox: I want to compile busybox for android on Openmoko (freerunner). I could not find a clear step by step for either Sourcery or other method. Can you point to a good resource? |
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| 20:40.24 | PaulFertser | Me gets pissed every time people drop the list from CC... How to fucking educate the users?! |
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| 20:48.47 | max_posedon | all users in one moment? - noway |
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| 20:49.51 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: people from community ML drop CC writing to me in like 30% cases :( |
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| 20:50.07 | PaulFertser | It's not exactly easy to me to not offend them after that! |
| 20:50.28 | max_posedon | I can suggest write them smth like |
| 20:50.45 | max_posedon | `I'll not answer if you won't send it to ML` |
| 20:52.18 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i guess i'm already known for being a dick. :-/ |
| 20:53.12 | max_posedon | its not a problem to become more evil |
| 20:53.14 | Weiss | PaulFertser: many people just don't take pride in each email. i think it's related to what leads people to top-post (especially on ML threads). i doubt it's really intended to annoy you nor done in the expectation that you'll enter a private correspondence |
| 20:53.59 | PaulFertser | Weiss: most of them do it of ignorance. Just because they don't know where their "reply to all" button is :( |
| 20:54.29 | Kero | don;t forget that many email readers do not hae a reply-to-list button at all |
| 20:54.36 | PaulFertser | Weiss: and the reason for that is simple: community ML forges Reply-To: and by doing that encourages stupid behaviour :( |
| 20:54.53 | Weiss | hmm, it does |
| 20:55.06 | PaulFertser | Kero: reply to all is sufficient, i bet all even remotely decent MUAs have that. |
| 20:56.10 | PaulFertser | Weiss: and of course i strip that forged header before replying so my replies goes to the person and CCing the list. He sees the mail from me and just presses "reply". I can't see how to educate people, the best bet would be to stop forging the header. |
| 20:56.50 | PaulFertser | jc: Hi. Remember we talked about the forged Reply-To header for the community ML? What about finally stopping it?.. |
| 20:57.16 | Kero | even the Corporate Crap I'm using at work (otherwise a very nice place to work) has Reply To All buttons. |
| 20:57.40 | PaulFertser | can't even write proper english because of being too much frustrated over that reply-to thingie |
| 20:58.36 | PaulFertser | And of course because he doesn't know any :-/ |
| 21:00.51 | Weiss | :S |
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| 21:03.35 | PaulFertser | Kero: you have Bv4, not v4! |
| 21:04.23 | PaulFertser | Kero: also to the best of my understanding the bug BillK writes about is not nearly the same as yours. |
| 21:04.43 | PaulFertser | Kero: i bet your warm resume problems would be solved by fixing frameworkd to power off the modem properly. |
| 21:05.00 | Kero | it works perfect with 2.6.24 |
| 21:05.23 | Kero | it may not be the kernel, but at least triggered by .29 |
| 21:06.16 | PaulFertser | Kero: not nearly the same bug, imho |
| 21:06.51 | PaulFertser | Kero: and warm-boot looks exactly like the issue of not powering off the modem properly. Moreover we know for sure frameworkd fails to do that. |
| 21:07.45 | Kero | then what des 2.6.24 to to fix it? |
| 21:08.41 | Kero | can be that it duplicates a job it should leave to user space; |
| 21:09.04 | PaulFertser | Kero: no, it doesn't. Probably some "unrelated" stuff has affects that. |
| 21:09.10 | Kero | from my limited view, it seems similar enough. opening a new ticket is easy, too ;) |
| 21:10.38 | Weiss | sends PaulFertser one of his favourite de-stressing videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Ys5olyY2I |
| 21:12.04 | Weiss | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FAM4pCJKgM |
| 21:16.37 | Kero | PaulFertser: I also remember that shutting down GSM before reboot, did not make it work after, contrary to our expectations. |
| 21:19.56 | PaulFertser | Weiss: Thanks a lot! You're the man, it misteriously worked. :D |
| 21:20.16 | PaulFertser | Weiss: (tapping) i once saw this guy performing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMmWMG5j5o8 |
| 21:23.02 | Kero | picure frame effect: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cc7d4ab1a860d514e314f191d728e24f.png |
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| 21:25.37 | Weiss | wants a chapman stick, but â¬x10^4 |
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| 21:42.01 | Kero | WS, finally. |
| 21:44.10 | Kero | no differences in dmesg |
| 21:46.41 | PaulFertser | Kero: ok, now try touching jbt state, valid are values "qvga-normal", "normal" |
| 21:46.43 | Kero | cat /dev/fb produces a screenshot very much resembling what I just posted on scap.linuxtogo |
| 21:47.17 | Kero | bl goes out after a while, touching lets it go on again. |
| 21:47.56 | PaulFertser | Kero: also "deep-standby" and "sleep" |
| 21:49.17 | Kero | can not find jbt state, `find /sys -name \*jbt\*` gives me only /sys/bus/spi/drivers/jbt6k74/ containing bind, uevent, unbind and the symlink spi0.0 |
| 21:49.44 | Kero | oh, spi0.0 actually contains a lot of things:) |
| 21:51.20 | Kero | nothing, screen remains white |
| 21:51.38 | PaulFertser | Kero: probably Weiss or larsc can have some ideas... |
| 21:51.51 | Kero | echo 1 > reset ? |
| 21:53.28 | PaulFertser | Kero: hm, i've never was deep in that jbt stuff... :( |
| 21:54.25 | Weiss | hmm.. what's wrong with that scap.linuxtogo screenshot? |
| 21:54.54 | Kero | the screenshot is fine ;) I have a WS on gta01. |
| 21:55.03 | Weiss | ah |
| 21:55.05 | Kero | the contents of the FB are fine. |
| 21:55.17 | Weiss | ah, i see |
| 21:55.26 | Kero | everything seems to work, except I don't see that content. |
| 21:56.09 | Kero | specifically, clock keeps running. and after all echo .. > state and 1 > reset, FB is still fine. |
| 21:56.36 | Kero | clock keeps running == updates visible on cat /dev/fb |
| 21:57.22 | Weiss | clock as in pixel clock, or SoC CPU clock? |
| 21:57.37 | Kero | CPU clock |
| 21:57.47 | Kero | no idea how to check pixel clock |
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| 21:58.36 | Weiss | the framebuffer is just a bit of memory (in GTA01, it's even the same memory as everything else, no special VRAM, as i understand it), so it makes sense that it's quite difficult to break it |
| 22:00.01 | Kero | good. |
| 22:00.38 | PaulFertser | Kero: can you unbind and bind jbt driver? |
| 22:00.56 | Weiss | but JBT6k74 is fussy about the timing of being switched on vs. when data is provided. however, even on GTA02 i haven't actually experienced much Doom in that regard |
| 22:03.06 | Kero | PaulFertser: um? I guess you want me to echo 1 > bind, but I do not know what it should do |
| 22:03.35 | PaulFertser | Kero: no |
| 22:04.02 | Kero | Weiss: it took hours to get the first WS today. sometimes it's much quicker. can not pin down a pattern or threshold, yet |
| 22:05.32 | PaulFertser | Kero: echo spi0.0 > unbind |
| 22:05.32 | PaulFertser | Uhm, it's buggy, doesn't bind properly here... |
| 22:06.20 | PaulFertser | Obviously nobody has tried unbinding jbt driver before :( |
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| 22:08.03 | PaulFertser | Kero: but binding/unbinding still worked for me. |
| 22:09.50 | Kero | re-suspending does not help |
| 22:10.44 | PaulFertser | Kero: and what about binding/unbinding? |
| 22:11.10 | Kero | echo spi0.0 > unbind; echo spi0.0 > bind, still white |
| 22:11.58 | PaulFertser | Kero: did unbind actually work? |
| 22:12.16 | PaulFertser | Kero: you can say that by doing "ls" before and after |
| 22:13.01 | Kero | yeah, that worked. reading an article on LWN about it, atm. |
| 22:13.29 | PaulFertser | Kero: you should really try to catch larsc on irc to talk about this issue. |
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| 22:18.54 | Kero | OK |
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| 22:27.36 | Kero | calls it a day; thanks for all the help & g'night |
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| 22:46.14 | Slaxxer | i guess during the screen replacement i didnt get the ribbon set into the socket correctly |
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| 22:50.16 | daramarak | PaulFertser: are you in? |
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| 23:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | daramarak: paul is watching draculetta movies ;-) OM rant wasn't scary enough for him :-P |
| 23:25.11 | Slaxxer | what rant? |
| 23:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | aah, we had a talk about our fubar wifi chip and arthrosis not being able or willing to fix the FW |
| 23:27.49 | Slaxxer | the wheel that squeeks the loudest... |
| 23:28.46 | ShellEvil | Gets those that notice it yelled at for disturbing the peace. |
| 23:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | err scottish? My text processing wetware fails on that |
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| 23:32.01 | Slaxxer | well then maybe things will happen now |
| 23:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | prolly nothing will happen. there's not documented way even to update the fw. Not to mention arthrosis refuses to fix any errors and even more reluctant to give out any binary to update the fw |
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| 23:34.23 | Slaxxer | www-wifi wont work |
| 23:35.07 | Slaxxer | doc is there a chance that i can buy a gps antenea module? |
| 23:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | my comment on that was "hey it's a module. you don't even need soldering skills to swap" |
| 23:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: gta0w-internal gps antenna? |
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| 23:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | 02 |
| 23:36.05 | ShellEvil | however - finding a suitable module that will fit is interesting |
| 23:36.15 | ShellEvil | and has the right cable, and ... |
| 23:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | ShellEvil: there's no cable on wifi mod |
| 23:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: what u talking bout?? |
| 23:37.22 | ShellEvil | I lost backscroll while logged out due to ISP suckyness - so I was assuming that was a response to Slaxxer's comment DocScrutinizer |
| 23:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not exactly sure about what Slaxxer is asking me actually |
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| 23:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: if you need a gta02-gps-antenna, I think I can help |
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| 23:40.26 | SpeedEvil | needs to get to hacking on his 01 before it rots. |
| 23:40.40 | SpeedEvil | I want to add wifi - but I've been utterly stalled by real life. |
| 23:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | hope you find a better module ;-D |
| 23:41.11 | Slaxxer | yes i do |
| 23:42.04 | DocScrutinizer | Slaxxer: I have some dozen antennae here that look similar to gta02's. never tested if they are compatible |
| 23:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess they are |
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| 23:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 23:52.44 | apt | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 23:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | good apt, at least bots still talk to me |
| 23:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's too demanding when I want to get rid of my electronics junk for free :-/ |
