| 00:06.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5412 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (19 files): |
| 00:06.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: More work on measurements. Getting there ... |
| 00:06.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - removed support for old-style measurements |
| 00:06.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - new-style measurements are now embedded in "struct obj", so we can dump and |
| 00:06.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: delete them |
| 00:07.00 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - "measxy" is now called "meas" |
| 00:07.02 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - updated examples to use new-style measurements |
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| 01:22.01 | drascus321 | the other day a friend of mine saw my new freerunner and even though he is not in the free software community he went right out and ordered one! |
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| 01:51.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5413 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:51.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - band-aid: make canvas grab focus on click and scroll, so that it's easy to |
| 01:51.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: get it back when we lose it |
| 01:51.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - improved heuristics for measx/measy: instead of looking for "next" or "max" |
| 01:51.23 | CIA-52 | openmoko: on secondary coordinate, pick the one that's closest. I.e., if there's a |
| 01:51.26 | CIA-52 | openmoko: chance to just connect with x' = 0 or y' = 0, do it. |
| 01:51.28 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - mouse wheel on loop value now selects next/previous value |
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| 04:53.30 | rooly | you guys are rather silent this evening |
| 04:53.43 | ndnihil | is arguing with dbus |
| 04:53.50 | rooly | yeah |
| 04:53.51 | rooly | well |
| 04:53.55 | rooly | dbus is gonna get its way |
| 04:53.56 | rooly | you know it |
| 04:54.02 | rooly | i know it |
| 04:54.04 | rooly | dbus knows it |
| 04:54.14 | ndnihil | dbus might get replaced by a perl script... |
| 04:54.23 | rooly | lol |
| 04:54.41 | rooly | lmao |
| 04:54.43 | rooly | sorry |
| 04:54.46 | rooly | worong channel |
| 04:54.47 | ndnihil | go ahead |
| 04:54.49 | ndnihil | it's funny |
| 04:55.48 | Q-Master | rooly: it's 8:53 AM here. 8) |
| 04:55.58 | rooly | then get to bed dude |
| 04:56.07 | rooly | snicker |
| 04:57.29 | ndnihil | Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged |
| 04:57.36 | ndnihil | ^I'm about fucking annoyed with that message |
| 04:58.04 | rooly | yeah |
| 04:58.05 | rooly | well |
| 04:58.08 | rooly | do it right then |
| 04:59.10 | ndnihil | rm -rf /; install debian; spend the next several months trying to attain nirvana |
| 04:59.36 | rooly | lol |
| 04:59.43 | rooly | nn guys |
| 04:59.48 | ndnihil | later |
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| 05:04.28 | ndnihil | heh |
| 05:04.35 | ndnihil | this pretty much sums up dbus for me |
| 05:04.46 | ndnihil | Imagine that, every time a new song is played in your music player, a signal is sent on the bus and your instant messaging client picks it up to display it in your status ? Easy to do with D-Bus ! |
| 05:09.27 | jjwc | This pretty much sums up dbus for me: imagine a ridiculously overpowered signalling interface that only has a few applications which really take advantage of its advanced features. It's called Dbus! |
| 05:10.16 | jjwc | But, on my main computer, I use KDE, so I suppose I shouldn't be saying anything. :P |
| 05:10.49 | ndnihil | its fine for modern desktops |
| 05:11.00 | ndnihil | but for a phone with limited resources? |
| 05:11.14 | jjwc | ndnihil: I think the entire choice to use Debian isn't right. |
| 05:11.20 | ndnihil | whys that? |
| 05:11.25 | ndnihil | it's just a package management system |
| 05:11.39 | jjwc | There are lots of embedded linux environments out there. |
| 05:11.40 | ndnihil | a pretty convenient one, that already has packages for this platform |
| 05:11.47 | jjwc | There used to be a project called ipodlinux.org |
| 05:12.02 | jjwc | They used a distro geared specifically for embedded devices (trying to remember the name) |
| 05:12.09 | ndnihil | uclinux? |
| 05:12.14 | jjwc | That might be it. |
| 05:12.22 | ndnihil | actually that's probably too embedded for this context |
| 05:12.32 | jjwc | Ah yeah, that's the MMU-less one |
| 05:13.08 | ndnihil | a customized debian install would be fine |
| 05:13.13 | jjwc | But even my desktop is more lightweight... I use Arch Linux |
| 05:13.22 | jjwc | It uses BSD-style init for starters; much cleaner and faster |
| 05:14.17 | jjwc | Also, only comes with a few services. Unfortunately, it would take a while to get all the unnecessary bloated crap out of Debian. |
| 05:14.33 | ndnihil | nah, you can do bare bones debian pretty easily |
| 05:14.56 | ndnihil | install with predefined package lists |
| 05:15.44 | jjwc | I think the main goal, regardless of the distribution chosen, should be to remove as many background processes as possible. |
| 05:15.54 | ndnihil | yep |
| 05:16.03 | ndnihil | and make what is necessary as small a footprint as possible |
| 05:16.04 | jjwc | Arm hates multitasking so the necessary background processes should all be written in C at the very least. |
| 05:16.20 | jjwc | The difference between Python and C is enormous on those systems. |
| 05:16.24 | ndnihil | so you have all those resources left over to run such processor intensive stuff as vim... |
| 05:16.41 | jjwc | Yeah, I'd love to start coding on my phone. |
| 05:16.50 | ndnihil | so do it |
| 05:17.08 | jjwc | SSHing into my server and editing there is better though if I have a stable connection. |
| 05:17.21 | jjwc | Plus, I can use screen to prevent session breaks. |
| 05:17.51 | ndnihil | is ssh'd into the phone from the workstation for developing |
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| 05:17.58 | ndnihil | nothing like doing it native :) |
| 05:18.01 | jjwc | WiFi isn't working for me right now; I have to investigate it more... Unfortunately, since I got this phone a few weeks ago, I've only had time to look into a few things (like the buzzfix) |
| 05:18.43 | drascus321 | yeah Wifi hasn't worked for me yet either |
| 05:18.50 | ndnihil | give neovento a try. it's not a regular use thing, but it'll let you see how fast debian can respond on this thing |
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| 05:19.22 | ndnihil | I can use wifi for open APs, but have yet to get a WPA/WEP connection established |
| 05:19.33 | jjwc | I have yet to determine if it's a kernel-related issue or if my config is bad. |
| 05:19.38 | jjwc | Is that with a frontend or manually? |
| 05:19.47 | ndnihil | frontend works for open |
| 05:19.48 | jjwc | I've tried both and haven't had any luck with WPA encryption. |
| 05:20.02 | ndnihil | tried many ways for manual and WEP/WPA |
| 05:20.06 | ndnihil | nothing |
| 05:20.20 | jjwc | I saw that someone ported Wicd to the phone; I'm interested in trying that out. |
| 05:20.29 | ndnihil | wicd? |
| 05:20.33 | jjwc | if it's a recent version, it uses python libraries to authenticate. |
| 05:21.05 | jjwc | It's a system containing a root-owned backend and two user frontends (curses and gui) |
| 05:21.36 | jjwc | Allows you to connect to WiFi easily... Works quite well on my laptop. |
| 05:23.35 | jjwc | I've been playing around with SHR; it's pretty usable, but it's very slow to load things. |
| 05:23.47 | ndnihil | yep |
| 05:23.52 | ndnihil | most usable of the bunch |
| 05:24.02 | jjwc | I have tried Neovento though and was really impressed with the speed |
| 05:24.14 | ndnihil | neovento is based on debian |
| 05:24.16 | ndnihil | and a lightweight wm |
| 05:26.23 | jjwc | I haven't really looked into this: how does Glamo compare to the iPhone's graphics processor? |
| 05:26.33 | ndnihil | no idea |
| 05:26.43 | ndnihil | I've played with an iphone |
| 05:26.50 | ndnihil | it's a pretty smooth/fluid interface |
| 05:27.00 | jjwc | Finger scrolling is very slow, but I'm not sure if that's the fault of the processor or Glamo |
| 05:27.21 | jjwc | Yeah, I have too. I don't want to pay $100 a month for a plan with semi-decent coverage. |
| 05:29.27 | jjwc | The capacitive touchscreen is also nice too. |
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| 05:33.32 | Fossi | most of what the iphone does right is convention |
| 05:34.30 | Fossi | and focing everybody to use a given set of specialised, tuned gui elements is part of that |
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| 06:21.08 | ndnihil | woot, reading GPS data by way of perl and dbus |
| 06:25.00 | lindi- | ndnihil: how much cpu time does it consume? |
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| 06:27.45 | ndnihil | 0:13.23 so far :) |
| 06:27.56 | ndnihil | it's just printing out coordinates |
| 06:28.02 | ndnihil | nothing fancy |
| 06:28.20 | ndnihil | 1.4% cpu |
| 06:28.33 | ndnihil | 8% mem (eek) |
| 06:30.20 | ndnihil | wonder how much the mplayer launcher thing uses |
| 06:31.25 | ndnihil | practically nothing |
| 06:32.05 | ndnihil | looks like 4% mem is just enough to hold the perl interpreter |
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| 07:09.56 | PaulFertser | Guys, i almost got bluez4 networking to work, please try to improve: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Preliminary_information_about_bluez4_networking |
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| 08:10.59 | PaulFertser | Come on, using my instructions i could successfully use my FR both as NAP and GN. |
| 08:16.03 | Kero | no second device with bt here! |
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| 08:39.01 | PaulFertser | Kero: np. I'm yet to send you any "smart" instructions about measuring yet, sorry. |
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| 08:43.38 | ndnihil | like the BT eh paul? |
| 08:44.27 | Kero | np. charging battery, doing the occasional cat /s/c/p/b/voltage_now with and without charging. |
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| 08:47.38 | Kero | then I'l have to make a contraption to measure real stuff. |
| 08:47.56 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: do i like the BT? |
| 08:48.07 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: or what? |
| 08:48.11 | ndnihil | you seem to be pretty active in getting BT stuff to work |
| 08:48.54 | ndnihil | was more of an observation than a question |
| 08:48.57 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: no, it's just i was very unpleasantly surprised everybody's talking shit about it and can't get it to work. |
| 08:49.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i don't need bluetooth headsets and networking. At least i didn't feel any need to do it. |
| 08:49.34 | Kero | well, here are a lot of outdated pages high on search lists about BT on linux. |
| 08:49.41 | ndnihil | can't say I've ever tried BT networking |
| 08:49.49 | Kero | *many* refer to hcid and is config files |
| 08:49.55 | ndnihil | tried the headset last time you updated the wiki |
| 08:49.56 | PaulFertser | Kero: i'd say almost all of them. |
| 08:50.17 | Kero | recently got BT to work on a laptop at work. |
| 08:50.45 | Kero | and the stupid hcid config files were on it, eagerly waiting for me to edit them, but being ignored otherwise :) |
| 08:50.52 | ndnihil | I've gotten obex transfers to work |
| 08:51.03 | Kero | reading manpages can be enlightening |
| 08:51.05 | ndnihil | between workstation/laptop and the FR |
| 08:54.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: obex is easy, only pairing required and then obexftp/obexftpd cli tools work. |
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| 08:56.25 | ndnihil | yeah |
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| 09:49.48 | Kero | ok, BL-5C wrapped. |
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| 09:58.26 | Kero | but where the * are the grabbing things of my AMM... |
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| 10:06.56 | methril_home | morning |
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| 10:31.26 | Kero | looks like a 0.11 voltage difference between charging and not charging. at least for mid-range voltages. |
| 10:32.00 | Kero | (neo's own battery) |
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| 10:33.10 | Kero | (according to the kernel, not measurement with AMM) |
| 10:37.04 | PaulFertser | For those interested in bluetooth networking who doesn't read community ml, here's the solution: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Information_about_bluez4_networking |
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| 10:49.05 | Bert_2 | I just did an update of shr-unstable and now my GSM modem seems dead, is that just me or has anyone else experienced this too ? |
| 10:50.27 | soltys | Bert_2: the same for me and few other (according to shr-user ml) |
| 10:51.13 | dns53 | the modem itself? if you try booting another image does it work? |
| 10:51.29 | Bert_2 | soltys: I saw strange things about libgsm0701mux being autoremovable because it was an orphan now |
| 10:51.32 | dns53 | shr upgrades have been brakeing the os a bit lately |
| 10:51.45 | soltys | dns53: it stopped after today upgrade :) some bug in ophonekitd ;) |
| 10:51.46 | Bert_2 | I'm used they break things |
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| 10:52.18 | Bert_2 | but today's not a good day to break !!! |
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| 10:52.42 | dns53 | always keep a sd card with qtopia on it incase it breaks |
| 10:52.44 | soltys | Bert_2: so force downgrade of ophonekitd ;) |
| 10:52.56 | soltys | afaik it should help |
| 10:53.07 | Bert_2 | soltys: do you have example code, I'm really bad at opkg (only know apt well) |
| 10:53.13 | dns53 | how do you force downgrades, it does not seem to like it most of the time |
| 10:53.39 | soltys | opkg -force-downgrade instal link_to_ipk ;) |
| 10:53.43 | soltys | or sth like that |
| 10:53.45 | soltys | ;) |
| 10:54.05 | bipak_ | hi, is there any kernel with stable wifi now? |
| 10:54.19 | soltys | and afaik in shr repo there ar few recent vrsions of every ipk |
| 10:54.29 | Bert_2 | bipak_: wifi seemed stable for months now... |
| 10:54.34 | soltys | s/ar/are |
| 10:54.48 | bipak_ | oh really? great! :) |
| 10:54.50 | soltys | but not after suspwend ;) |
| 10:55.00 | soltys | s/suspwned/suspend |
| 10:55.08 | bipak_ | :( |
| 10:55.34 | Bert_2 | yeah, you have to put it off and on again, right ? |
| 10:55.49 | soltys | Bert_2: jeap sth like that |
| 10:56.10 | PaulFertser | bipak_: it worked for me after suspend too. |
| 10:56.14 | Bert_2 | (I've used wifi only a few times as I'm too lazy to set it up here at home again) |
| 10:56.24 | PaulFertser | bipak_: for the best experience i recommend you to read FSO_Resources now |
| 10:56.27 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: also if you leaved it on when you suspended |
| 10:56.34 | Bert_2 | bad sentence there... |
| 10:56.56 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: yes, i just suspended and then resumed, wpa_supplicant reconnected automatically. |
| 10:56.58 | bipak_ | PaulFertser: ok i'll give it a try. |
| 10:57.39 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: cool |
| 10:57.52 | Bert_2 | since when is shr-unstable available in amd64 ? |
| 11:00.11 | PaulFertser | Hm, our wiki is awful. It gives recipes instead of knowledge. And recipies are often correct only for some narrow case and become outdated very quickly. |
| 11:01.41 | Bert_2 | the SHR wiki simply doesn't have any up-to-date information (except about the conference I guess :P ) |
| 11:02.00 | PaulFertser | And i bet if i remove all the crap i see i'll be blamed for harming "end-users" "because they need something simple to cut-n-paste". Fuck that! |
| 11:02.47 | ndnihil | cut-n-paste goodness still helps you learn |
| 11:03.17 | ndnihil | and being limited to a narrow scope, it forces you to understand it to apply the information to other scenarios |
| 11:03.31 | Bert_2 | it's a dev phone for christ's sake |
| 11:03.37 | Bert_2 | there are no "end-users" |
| 11:04.06 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: if there were no stupid "recipies" to get networking over usb working and instead there was a good explanation of stuff there won't be so many ridiculous questions about "omg my usb networking stopped working after some update". |
| 11:04.33 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: please tell it to those who always blame me for not taking "end-users" interests into account. |
| 11:04.38 | Kero | recipes should come wwith explanations about the steps; and how to check the steps were succesful. |
| 11:04.40 | Bert_2 | I basically used some wikis, crafted a script and always use it :P |
| 11:05.09 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: you're assuming people are going to do their own homework instead of asking someone else to do it for them :) |
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| 11:05.35 | ndnihil | it's much easier to hop on IRC and say "hey, how do I..." |
| 11:05.37 | Rakhun | there may be people buying it only because it runs free software, without hacking it themselves, so maybe recipes could just be moved to some separate recipes page? just a thought.. |
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| 11:06.10 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: as i already said imho recipies are plain useless and sometimes even harmful. |
| 11:06.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: luckily now i have several pages i wrote myself to send people to :D |
| 11:07.09 | Bert_2 | well, if you just read some stuff you can make useful thing, eg. my USB connect script http://pastebin.ca/1522851 (it might contain unneeded stuff, but it works so I don't care) |
| 11:07.16 | Rakhun | PaulFertser: how are they useless if they give the results the users want? I definitely see how that can become outdated and break though |
| 11:08.09 | PaulFertser | Rakhun: the result is that some users are uneducated jerks. |
| 11:08.35 | Bert_2 | well, if you buy a moko they clearly say it is NOT a finished product |
| 11:08.42 | Kero | remebers seeing some awful C-code that interacted with SCSI drives. After finding that code again and again, turned out it came from the SCSI howto... |
| 11:08.53 | Kero | copied and pasted without understanding. |
| 11:09.13 | PaulFertser | Kero: hehe, proves my point, thanks :) |
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| 11:09.29 | Bert_2 | downgrade of ophonekitd didn't seem to help, thing continue to act broken... |
| 11:09.30 | dns53 | Bert_2 thx, i was wondering how to stop ssh from complaining |
| 11:09.49 | Bert_2 | dns53: yeah, took me a while to find that out too :P |
| 11:10.04 | pbaxter | excuse me, do someone know why on image lite-om-gta02.jffs2 there is no "opkg" software? |
| 11:10.14 | Rakhun | PaulFertser: sure, but that just means the uneducated jerks will need to come here to get educated (since they won't read a non-recipe), have fun ;) |
| 11:10.45 | Bert_2 | hates gsm modem issue (I shouldn't have updated today) |
| 11:11.02 | Bert_2 | I have a date today and I need to be able to receive text messages |
| 11:11.11 | Bert_2 | so where's that spare mobile phone :P |
| 11:13.49 | Bert_2 | ow, there's a new root image :O |
| 11:15.31 | Kero | you bring up a good point. SHR 20090703 works nicely for my new SIM; but will I ever dare to upgrade without a backup phone at hand? |
| 11:16.10 | Bert_2 | Kero: I used to have an always working version on NAND |
| 11:16.18 | Bert_2 | and the latest upgrade on my SDcard |
| 11:16.54 | Bert_2 | (but I was so stupid to update both lately) |
| 11:17.15 | Kero | should make more partitions on his SD, then. |
| 11:17.41 | Bert_2 | I use multiple SD cards |
| 11:18.15 | Bert_2 | I have Android and QTExtended on seperate cards |
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| 11:19.19 | PaulFertser | Kero: are you on gta01? Using as the main daily phone? |
| 11:19.35 | Kero | probably a better idea. my SD card is more than 50% full. |
| 11:20.15 | Kero | but, some data would be nice to share (tangogps maps, hopefully pim data later on; perhaps I should stuff that on NAND :) |
| 11:20.30 | Kero | PaulFertser: not yet. current SIM won't warn me about incoming SMS |
| 11:20.55 | Kero | 9 days from now my new SIM will get the current number, that one works. then I'll switch. |
| 11:21.15 | PaulFertser | Kero: is it some provired-issue? |
| 11:22.09 | Kero | 2.6.24 kernel has no white screens, and seems to work very well otherwise, but unfortunately no nice battery numbers. |
| 11:22.53 | Kero | PaulFertser: could be. I mailed info to ML, joerg and dieter. I do not know what to do about it otherwise. |
| 11:22.55 | PaulFertser | Can anyone recommend my some really light bluetooth agent so i can pair with devices more easily? Or preferably something that runs in the background and has a fixed pin? |
| 11:23.13 | Kero | and 9 days from now my debugging ability on the SIM will disappear. |
| 11:23.22 | PaulFertser | Kero: white screens on gta01? interesting. Can you describe more? |
| 11:23.47 | dns53 | PaulFertser there is one on the wiki under bluetooth that does work sortof, i ssh to my phone and start the agent and i can enter a pin |
| 11:23.50 | Kero | after suspend. whether resume is triggered by button or usb-connect. |
| 11:24.06 | Kero | seems to happen after somewhat longer time in suspend only. |
| 11:24.13 | Kero | not temperature related ;) |
| 11:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: IIRC you provided FSO-logs. These need inspection by mickeyl, as noone else understands if the full sequence of modem init went thru without glitches |
| 11:25.48 | Kero | can ssh in. neo runs. Don't think touchscreen works, though... could check if that helps. |
| 11:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: (missed SMS) |
| 11:26.36 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: should I encourage mickeyl to do that now rather than next week? as 9 days is a hard deadline :) |
| 11:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | airodump is really nice |
| 11:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | (OT) |
| 11:26.49 | PaulFertser | dns53: i want an automatic way. I'm ok with setting some fixed pin and telling all my students to enter it so i can transfer files to their cellphones without additional overhead. |
| 11:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: yes, absolutely |
| 11:27.38 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: I only sent those logs to you, you forwarded them? |
| 11:27.59 | PaulFertser | Also can anyone tell me if simultaneous transfer to several devices via obex is possible? |
| 11:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: you may quote me on "I do NOT believe in this issue being FW-related" |
| 11:28.21 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: I don't think so |
| 11:28.23 | PaulFertser | Kero: only somewhat longer time? E.g. 5 sec is still ok? |
| 11:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: no. I missed on that (sorry) |
| 11:29.07 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: any idea why? BT supports many simultaneous connections, at least on l2cap level. |
| 11:29.09 | Bert_2 | say, what I never got, are the modules only for the SDcard image, or also for the jffs2 NAND stuff ? |
| 11:29.19 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: for any image |
| 11:29.24 | Kero | PaulFertser: while playing with SHR at the beginning I noticed nothing whatsoever. next day, ooops! |
| 11:29.25 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: it could have been the tools I was using |
| 11:29.34 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: the kernel you use should have corresponding modules in place. |
| 11:29.50 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: are they supposed to be installed with dfu-util then ? |
| 11:29.50 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i couldn't manage it too with simple obexftp cli tool. |
| 11:29.56 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: no |
| 11:30.01 | ndnihil | probably same as I was using |
| 11:30.12 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: so I first have to boot up without them and then install them ? |
| 11:30.19 | PaulFertser | Kero: hm, probably larsc can suggest something. |
| 11:30.48 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: no, if you install some image and the kernel it's supposed that those guys who did the image has already installed the necessary modules. |
| 11:31.09 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: but when you upgrade the kernel you need to upgrade modules too. I think it works autmatically in SHR. |
| 11:31.36 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: yes, for as far as I know it is upgraded with opkg |
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| 11:31.54 | Bert_2 | USB-download is soooooo slow... |
| 11:33.00 | Kero | larsc: can you? suggest something related to White Screens after suspend on 2.6.29, can still ssh in; 2.6.24 kernel from FSO 5.5 is working fine after many suspends |
| 11:33.37 | PaulFertser | Kero: you didn't mention gta01 |
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| 11:33.52 | Kero | drat ;) |
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| 11:36.43 | Bert_2 | owyeah, is 1.3.2-moko12 still the last version of U-Boot ? |
| 11:37.37 | Kero | meanwhile, I really can not find the grabbing things for my AMM. gonna make life harder, as stcking tape inside the Neo is much less useful as outside a battery :( |
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| 11:49.22 | PaulFertser | Kero: i know how it sucks :( for a year you see the things you don't need everywhere (kithen/bed/under the table etc) and then when you finally really need that stuff it's nowhere to be found. |
| 11:53.14 | Kero | guess I'll buy new ones. though not today, as we're still resting on Sunday in this little country. beh. |
| 11:56.42 | Kero | what's the suggested PIM software for SHR, paroli? |
| 11:58.36 | PaulFertser | Kero: no, it's opimd-gui or something like that |
| 12:01.45 | Kero | don't see it in he lst of packages, lemme poke the wiki/google for it. |
| 12:03.16 | Kero | opimd i see of course. maybe I'll start there anyway. I'm curious what the API can do these days. |
| 12:04.55 | PaulFertser | Kero: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=opimd-utils.git;a=summary |
| 12:06.12 | Kero | thx! |
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| 12:09.21 | Kero | starts a shopping list too |
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| 12:10.04 | Kero | SDHC works wih recent uBoot, good; but for Neo I see no explicit remark on wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards :( |
| 12:11.36 | PaulFertser | Kero: right |
| 12:11.53 | PaulFertser | Kero: someone did SDHC support for uboot for gta01 but i don't think it was pushed anywhere. |
| 12:12.23 | PaulFertser | Kero: i implemented SDHC support for Qi, and it works (probably not with every single card). |
| 12:12.57 | Kero | does Qi work on Neo? |
| 12:14.10 | Kero | anyway, I can load kernel from NAND, then only Neo+kernel need to support SDHC. |
| 12:15.12 | PaulFertser | Kero: and kernel definetely can access SDHC even on gta01 :D so yes, you're right. |
| 12:15.19 | PaulFertser | Kero: and yes, Qi works on gta01 |
| 12:17.32 | Kero | that wiki needs updating. I've read uBoot-onl for gta01 on it, for sure. |
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| 12:17.50 | PaulFertser | Kero: go ahead |
| 12:18.01 | Kero | good. one big uSD is much more convenient than a couple of small ones. |
| 12:18.22 | Kero | any Qi version that was first-to-work-on gta01 ? |
| 12:19.57 | Kero | pft; Qi-page s fine of course. was another page, but which... if I stumble upon it, I'll fix it :) |
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| 12:23.24 | PaulFertser | Kero: i think it was c793d92c87cec84bc4252ee7234100581199bbe8 Fri Nov 28 10:16:44 2008 +0000 |
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| 12:41.47 | Bert_2 | just installed shr-full-xxxxxxx.jffs2 and it claims not to have opkg |
| 12:42.04 | Bert_2 | and Xserver doesn't start |
| 12:42.10 | Bert_2 | is that known or new? |
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| 12:47.45 | Bert_2 | why is opkg renamed to opkg-cl ? |
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| 13:42.03 | meoblast001 | :O |
| 13:42.46 | meoblast001 | "support for present models continues with limited resources" does that mean i shouldn't get a Freerunner? |
| 13:47.58 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: if you're generally afraid of shadows, yes. |
| 13:48.15 | PaulFertser | Or UFOs |
| 13:48.32 | PaulFertser | Or prefer opensource or even proprietary crap. |
| 13:48.53 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: Free software lovers already know whether they need FR or not. |
| 13:49.07 | Raigedas | i have it |
| 13:49.09 | Raigedas | :) |
| 13:49.11 | Raigedas | FR |
| 13:49.31 | Raigedas | i am programming analog clock for FR right now |
| 13:51.59 | Wonka | hrmf. |
| 13:53.18 | Wonka | i'd so like to build a GPS app for FR, in python, based on FSO, using OSM maps... but somehow i don't see where to start |
| 13:53.37 | PaulFertser | Wonka: do you already know how to obtain GPS data from FSO? |
| 13:53.56 | PaulFertser | Wonka: or how to make GUIs in python? |
| 13:54.20 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: where are you again? |
| 13:54.37 | Wonka | PaulFertser: I have looked into zhone and extracted it's GPS parts into something I named "zgps" - but I don't like the UI stuff there |
| 13:54.57 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: near Kiel, Germany. I'll be at HAR2009, btw. |
| 13:55.13 | SpeedEvil | won't. |
| 13:55.17 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 13:55.18 | PaulFertser | Wonka: guys are using elementary these days to build guis. Probably you might want to take a look at the latest SHR apps. |
| 13:55.31 | Wonka | PaulFertser: sounds good |
| 13:55.36 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: I have no idea why german people seem so interested in OSM. |
| 13:55.45 | SpeedEvil | (more than other countries I mean) |
| 13:55.54 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: OSM got really good coverage here |
| 13:56.06 | SpeedEvil | No, it diddn't. |
| 13:56.09 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: better than google maps in many places |
| 13:56.21 | SpeedEvil | OSM got really good coverage due to involvement of germans |
| 13:56.34 | SpeedEvil | I don't understand why. |
| 13:56.44 | meoblast001 | PaulFertser: FR? |
| 13:56.59 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: freerunner |
| 13:57.02 | SpeedEvil | Very good evangalism by some community members? Something in the german psyche? Some hatred of google? |
| 13:57.14 | Wonka | look at the OSM wiki and german wikipedia... OSM is just another place where rule fetishists can thrieve :) |
| 13:57.24 | meoblast001 | oh |
| 13:57.29 | meoblast001 | it sounds like OpenMoko is going out of business |
| 13:57.31 | Wonka | hatred of google might be there too |
| 13:57.49 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: out of telephony business -- yes, for some time. |
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| 13:58.09 | Wonka | i don't like how google deliberately has _wrong_ street names in it's data to find illegal copies of their stuff... |
| 13:58.14 | SpeedEvil | meoblast001: they are considering to sell the FR. |
| 13:58.14 | meoblast001 | if i bought one, i wouldn't be able to use it as a phone because we have sprint |
| 13:58.18 | Wonka | in OSM, there is no such stuff |
| 13:58.25 | meoblast001 | but i was thinking about using one as a free alternative to the iPod Touch |
| 13:58.26 | Wonka | in OSM, i can correct errors myself |
| 13:58.28 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: yes there is. |
| 13:58.32 | meoblast001 | something like that |
| 13:58.38 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: but it's randoms adding streets for fun. |
| 13:58.39 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: sprint? non-gsm network? |
| 13:58.44 | meoblast001 | yes |
| 13:58.59 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: those tend to be removed very soon, i think |
| 13:59.08 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: depends where you are. |
| 13:59.42 | Wonka | bbl. |
| 13:59.42 | meoblast001 | Sprint is, in my opinion, the worst phone company out there |
| 13:59.42 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: you'll be able to buy a FR for quite some time. |
| 13:59.42 | SpeedEvil | wave |
| 13:59.42 | meoblast001 | PaulFertser: what will they be selling after they leave the phone business |
| 14:02.25 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: the same phones |
| 14:02.32 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: they have some stock. |
| 14:02.34 | meoblast001 | oh... |
| 14:02.37 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: and can produce more on demand. |
| 14:02.46 | meoblast001 | so i'm confused |
| 14:02.52 | meoblast001 | then they're not going out of business? |
| 14:02.54 | SpeedEvil | They are continuing to sell the existing phone. |
| 14:03.00 | SpeedEvil | They are not developing new phones |
| 14:03.05 | meoblast001 | what about when that stock goes out? |
| 14:03.27 | meoblast001 | or are they continueing to develop more of the same model of Freerunners |
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| 14:05.36 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: producing more of the same model doesn't require developing anything |
| 14:05.55 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Newsflash: Openmoko stops new phone development. | Freerunner sales will continue. | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 |
| 14:05.57 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: they just "send a request to the factory" |
| 14:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Newsflash: Openmoko stops new phone development. | Freerunner production continues. | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 |
| 14:06.44 | SpeedEvil | Sane? |
| 14:06.59 | meoblast001 | PaulFertser: don't they own said factory? |
| 14:07.04 | SpeedEvil | Is OM actually doing any development of any sort ATM on hardware or software. |
| 14:07.17 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 14:07.29 | SpeedEvil | FR would not keep a large factory in buisness |
| 14:07.38 | SpeedEvil | it's run off a few thousand at a time. |
| 14:07.47 | meoblast001 | oh, ok |
| 14:08.18 | meoblast001 | so the freerunner will still be available for years to come? |
| 14:08.28 | SpeedEvil | years may be stretching it. |
| 14:08.34 | meoblast001 | oh :/ |
| 14:08.35 | SpeedEvil | For the forseeable future. |
| 14:08.54 | SpeedEvil | It will certainly die - unless there is investment - when a major part becomes unavailable. |
| 14:09.11 | meoblast001 | well, i guess when something sounds too good to be true, it is |
| 14:09.13 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: they do, Plan B is ongoing |
| 14:09.27 | meoblast001 | Plan B, i forget which one that is |
| 14:09.52 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: ogg-enabled hair-straightener |
| 14:09.55 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I really hope plan B isn't another software stack with no community involvement at all. |
| 14:10.46 | meoblast001 | PaulFertser: vorbis, theora, or both? |
| 14:11.04 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i really hope plan B will bring something good to the free software community. And no, it's not software stack for telecommunication device. |
| 14:11.16 | PaulFertser | meoblast001: it's a secret. |
| 14:11.29 | meoblast001 | oh |
| 14:12.27 | SpeedEvil | A 3G enabled lava-lamp? |
| 14:12.57 | mwester | I thought it was a much more modest project: A linux-powered pencil. |
| 14:13.36 | PaulFertser | It's well known that the device has no relation whatsoever to telecom industry and not powerful enough to run linux. |
| 14:14.14 | CVirus | doesn't care about plan B |
| 14:14.18 | PaulFertser | And i want to warn you that OM asked everybody who might have a reasonable guess about it to refrain from disclosing since it might harm negotiations with investers. |
| 14:14.48 | meoblast001 | so how long until the Freerunner's technology is dated and i'm trying to sell the one i'm going to be buying soon? |
| 14:16.55 | SpeedEvil | Frankly, some aspects are already horribly dated. |
| 14:17.28 | SpeedEvil | It only has GPRS - not 3G - and the video hardware is akin to a 1993 16 bit ISA video card. |
| 14:17.41 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly - a good 16 bit video card - but... |
| 14:18.06 | SpeedEvil | Video playback is a big issue that doesn't work well for example. |
| 14:18.52 | meoblast001 | oh :( |
| 14:19.52 | SpeedEvil | It is a cool device - but it has some extreme limits compared to 'comparable' phones. |
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| 14:23.24 | Kero | my old ruby-gtk2 binding crashes on SHR on Neo. though everything seems to be in place, same 2.14 gtk2 version. perhaps it's not the gtk2 part that crashes, then. |
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| 14:26.43 | Kero | blergh, I didn't specify the gtk2 deps. maybe that was an older version, after all. |
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| 14:46.11 | Wonka | re |
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| 14:54.50 | Kero | mm, basic wires from battery to Neo done (lying upside down, felt vbrator & AMM responded on current). must find something more convenient when I start using Neo for real. and I need those grabbers instead of my hands for the last wire. |
| 14:58.08 | mwester | Kero, I hope you have either short or heavy wires; the GSM will pull significant current from the battery ;) |
| 14:58.45 | Kero | is 20cm short? |
| 15:01.27 | Kero | AMM has choice betwen 250mA and 10 settings. something in between would have been nice... |
| 15:03.52 | GNUtoo | hi, how do I use mokomapper.py? |
| 15:04.06 | GNUtoo | *do I have to do something special to get a fix? |
| 15:05.38 | GNUtoo | *do I get a log of does it print to stdout? |
| 15:05.45 | GNUtoo | else I will read the code |
| 15:06.18 | Kero | you probably have to be patient and outdoors to get a first fix |
| 15:11.18 | Wonka | hm, is there any way to use the flash space freed by using Qi instead of u_boot / u_boot-env? |
| 15:13.26 | drascus321 | is there a simple way to uninstall a package? I have a bunch installed now and some don't really work and I just want to get rid of them. |
| 15:15.03 | meoblast001 | so wait, i should be safe if i get an OpenMoko? |
| 15:15.20 | meoblast001 | won't have to worry about the hardware becomming so obsolete that i can hardly use it |
| 15:16.03 | Kero | drascus321: ipkg remove blah |
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| 15:16.38 | drascus321 | thanks Kero! where blah = package name? |
| 15:16.47 | Kero | yup |
| 15:17.02 | drascus321 | sweet this is the coolest phone ever! |
| 15:17.21 | Kero | `ipkg help` tells you many more sweet things it can do :) |
| 15:17.52 | drascus321 | so even though I used opkg to install i use ipkg to remove thats kind of weird but OK |
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| 15:20.41 | Kero | $ type ipkg => ipkg is an alias for opkg |
| 15:20.53 | drascus321 | ah i see |
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| 15:21.41 | Kero | hadn't realized is was exactly the same, either :) |
| 15:24.13 | drascus321 | the cool thing Kero is that I am not a big hacker I am more of an end user and the fact that this phone has been so useful for me shows that Openmoko is nearly ready for a average users |
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| 15:32.24 | Kero | drascus321: i'm a hacker and I think my Neo has just recently come to a point where it is usable for me... where "usable" means basic features work reliable day to day. |
| 15:33.22 | drascus321 | really? well once I fixed the call volume and few other things i became happy with it. I just got it a few days ago |
| 15:34.56 | drascus321 | or maybe I am more of a Hacker then I give myself credit for |
| 15:35.57 | Kero | :) |
| 15:37.03 | drascus321 | I actually want to write a call volume program in python for this thing. I didn't like having to ssh into it and edit a file to change it |
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| 15:40.24 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:40.40 | rooly | howdy |
| 15:40.52 | PBeck | rooly: :) |
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| 15:42.07 | rooly | sup |
| 15:42.26 | tobii_ | moin PBeck |
| 15:42.27 | tobii_ | :) |
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| 15:42.49 | rooly | is gonna attempt something... |
| 15:43.10 | PBeck | hi tobii_ |
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| 16:00.59 | drascus321 | question: if you have been having Wifi success with shr how did you do it? |
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| 16:12.03 | |Marco| | drascus321: most likely in a terminal |
| 16:12.33 | |Marco| | I've yet to try one that works for me :/ |
| 16:12.33 | drascus321 | OK that's fine with me. I just couldn't get Mokonnect to work for it |
| 16:12.51 | drascus321 | but it did work for gprs |
| 16:12.56 | |Marco| | yeah |
| 16:14.12 | drascus321 | would it be possible in your opinion to write a bash script to take care of wifi configuration automatically |
| 16:16.09 | |Marco| | yeah, but it depends on what sort of nodes it finds |
| 16:19.28 | drascus321 | ok |
| 16:20.35 | drascus321 | before I even try will this thing do wpa? |
| 16:20.53 | |Marco| | "this thing" ? |
| 16:20.58 | |Marco| | the moko ? |
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| 16:21.26 | drascus321 | yeah sorry that came out sounding kind of insulting |
| 16:23.07 | |Marco| | drascus321: nah, but I belive the wpa-supplicant can do it, even if I've only had problems with it on all the machines I've try'd to use it on |
| 16:23.45 | drascus321 | alright cool I will play with it thanks for the advice Marco |
| 16:23.51 | drascus321 | gtg |
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| 16:38.40 | geaaru | hi, i done upgrade to last packages of shr unstable tree but now i have an error with fsousaged daemon, how can i do a downgrade with opkg? thanks in advance |
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| 17:06.32 | jjwc | gah, geaaru: I just did that too... |
| 17:06.40 | jjwc | Now SHR won't connect to FSO. |
| 17:08.40 | geaaru | do you know how downgrade works? because i used -force-downgrade option but on install opkg see an updated version of fsousaged and so doesn't install previous version |
| 17:09.49 | jjwc | Not sure yet... Why do I always do these things 30 minutes before I have to go somewhere :/ |
| 17:10.27 | geaaru | :) |
| 17:11.25 | xyzz | better before than after :) |
| 17:11.36 | jjwc | I might just load up QtMoko and then worry about it when I get home. |
| 17:17.58 | jjwc | might have found a fix |
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| 17:32.52 | jjwc | Nope, nevermind... That did nothing. I'll play with it when I get home I guess. |
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| 17:46.12 | Kero | wonders why the SIm Auth window to request PIN suddenly has a borked layout, not showing any buttons, but only the bottom side of a few overlapping characters in the top left corner. |
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| 17:52.58 | ossguy | I just did a clean install of Om 2008.8 and "opkg update; opkg upgrade" and now the FreeRunner refuses to boot |
| 17:53.18 | ossguy | it's stuck with some kernel messages on the screen |
| 17:53.34 | ossguy | last one: "PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1" |
| 17:53.53 | ossguy | this installation was done on a microSD card |
| 17:54.53 | ossguy | I previously tried installing Om 2008.12 directly, but had the same problem as with post-upgrade 2008.8 |
| 17:55.17 | ossguy | Om 2008.8 works fine as long as I don't upgrade it, but I'd like to have the latest versions of everything |
| 17:55.21 | ossguy | any tips? |
| 17:55.58 | dos1|away | om2008 is death |
| 17:56.21 | ossguy | why is that? |
| 17:56.44 | dos1 | it isn't developed anymore and it's unsupported |
| 17:57.07 | ossguy | but Om 2009 isn't released yet, right? |
| 17:57.12 | dos1 | ossguy: use Om2009 or SHR (i suggest SHR) |
| 17:57.19 | dos1 | ossguy: it isn't, but who cares? ;P |
| 17:57.31 | dos1 | it's generally more stable than om2008 |
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| 18:01.39 | ossguy | so the install process for SHR on microSD is the same as for the others? |
| 18:01.59 | ossguy | just stick the kernel on partition 1 and unpack the rootfs to partition 2? |
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| 18:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 18:16.02 | ossguy | good |
| 18:16.10 | ossguy | just about done the download |
| 18:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | I have a laaarge first partition vfat (for windoofs sake, when using usb-stick) with kernel on it, and a "small" (1GB) second one ext3 for rootfs |
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| 18:27.00 | dos1 | ossguy: if you're using qi, then just unpack everything on partition 1 |
| 18:27.02 | dos1 | nothing more :P |
| 18:27.13 | ossguy | not using qi yet |
| 18:27.27 | ossguy | probably will once Android 1.5 gets stable (seems to require qi) |
| 18:29.22 | PaulFertser | ossguy: beware, android uses some bad qi fork |
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| 18:29.44 | ossguy | you can't use a stock qi? |
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| 18:31.13 | PaulFertser | ossguy: you can't |
| 18:32.34 | ossguy | good to know |
| 18:32.45 | ossguy | seems a bit odd, though |
| 18:32.59 | ossguy | I'm not sure what features of Android would require them to do that |
| 18:33.49 | badcloud1 | I booted koolu 7 but didn't get any sound |
| 18:34.14 | badcloud1 | really pissed me off once I figured out it wrote over the flash :P |
| 18:34.47 | Meomer | i.e. you booted the installer? :) |
| 18:35.38 | Kero | is not aware of what he changed. But SIM Auth won't show me its numbers anymore... |
| 18:39.07 | ossguy | what's the difference between "illume" and "illume shr" |
| 18:39.11 | ossguy | ? |
| 18:39.24 | ossguy | this is in the profile menu when first booting SHR |
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| 18:43.53 | Kero | upgrades. will bloody reinstall on new uSD tomorrow :( |
| 18:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: "illume them SHR (customized)" |
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| 18:47.09 | ossguy | so I guess the customized one is better? |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: don't uprade! |
| 18:47.13 | PaulFertser | Joplin wrote "Mercedes Benz" together with the poet Michael McClure and Bob Neuwirth, as a critical social commentary on how people relate happiness to money and material possessions. |
| 18:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | actually joplin didn't write a single worf of it |
| 18:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | at least according to McClure in an interview in TV (woodstock special) |
| 18:49.15 | Meomer | i assume worf was written by gene roddenberry and company :-) |
| 18:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 18:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | not by gene roddenberry but one of the epigones |
| 18:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | i guess |
| 18:51.45 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: GUI had become useless anyway. these packages throughout SHR are very fragile. I have to go back to pure 20090703 anyway. |
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| 18:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: huh? |
| 18:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong wit 88SHR-U ? |
| 18:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | I like it very much so far :-) |
| 18:53.36 | Kero | I tried a couple of very small changes. and somehow, this vital SIM AUth window/application has broken layout. Cant use it anymore. Same for Dialer. |
| 18:54.50 | Kero | cn just see the bottom half of the word "Contactlist" in the latter. As if everything is dumped on (0, 0) of the screen |
| 18:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | aah, changes. Well I dunno what changes you applied, but probably illume isn't very tolerant to any changes, at least if done carelessly or without good knowledge |
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| 18:55.16 | Kero | the wonder of `ipkg install` is that you don't see what the changes are. |
| 18:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | mompl, let me duplicate that |
| 18:55.58 | Kero | so I'm blaming libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 until I have reason otherwise. |
| 18:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: has to be your changes. Looks like it ever did here, i.e. a nice "click to open contactlist." centered in the number field |
| 18:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: did you select "illume theme SHR" (see above <ossguy>) |
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| 19:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: (the wonder of `ipkg install` is) so you say your changes were a mere "opkg install foo" and that borked your dialer and SIM-auth? |
| 19:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: if so, WHAT was it you installed? |
| 19:02.49 | buluca | do you have any hint/suggestion/bias for me to install either SHR or FDOM? phone calls are not important, I just want to have wifi and gps/tangogps working (ootb, if possible), both Om 2008 and Om 2009 were driving me mad |
| 19:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | SHR |
| 19:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | FDOM is dead AIUI |
| 19:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | tangogps works ootb on SHR-U (well with a few flaws that need to be fixed in tango itself) |
| 19:04.17 | PaulFertser | buluca: yes, fdom is dead for long time |
| 19:04.19 | buluca | thanks DocScrutinizer :-D |
| 19:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | buluca: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 19:04.59 | buluca | by the way, I think I will annoy you with networking issues and other stuff ;) |
| 19:05.14 | buluca | DocScrutinizer: fine. and what kernel? |
| 19:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | buluca: wifi is still kinda flakey |
| 19:05.25 | buluca | :/ |
| 19:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 19:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | (wifi) but that'S probably a kernel driver issue and statement valid for all openmoko distri |
| 19:06.46 | buluca | DocScrutinizer: I guess too ;) |
| 19:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | (kernel) or at least connman/Mokonnect (which still is better than the unbearable MoFi) |
| 19:08.11 | buluca | DocScrutinizer: is uboot ok? |
| 19:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | yup, basically yes |
| 19:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to update eventually, to have a few important improvements (wake reason, dunno what else) |
| 19:09.14 | buluca | will see :) |
| 19:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | boot from EXT3 iirc |
| 19:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser probably will know better (as people know their enemies very close usually ;-) |
| 19:11.00 | buluca | DocScrutinizer: what does he develop/maintain? ;) |
| 19:11.04 | PaulFertser | buluca: nothing |
| 19:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | paul doesn't like uBoot, but he's savvy |
| 19:11.30 | buluca | Qi seems ok, too |
| 19:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | buluca: don't start too many battles same time |
| 19:12.22 | PaulFertser | And no, i don't know much about OM u-boot deficiencies. But i can tell you that judging by the fact it's still not merged upstream... well, use it if you know why do you need it and not simple, clean and hackable Qi ;) |
| 19:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | make yourself comfortable with whatever distro, then eventually care about bootloader |
| 19:12.36 | buluca | DocScrutinizer: as the first thing, I just want to have tangogps up and running and logging ;) |
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| 19:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | so nevermind botloader for now |
| 19:13.29 | buluca | DocScrutinizer: as a Debian guy, I'll have Debian on a larger µSD soon |
| 19:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | install 88SHR and enjoy |
| 19:14.13 | DocScrutinizer | heh, so you will have a friend in Paul ;-) |
| 19:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC he's also using debian |
| 19:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 19:15.22 | buluca | cy :) |
| 19:16.35 | PaulFertser | I do. |
| 19:16.48 | PaulFertser | And tangogps works well. |
| 19:17.12 | buluca | PaulFertser: I will, but ATM I don't have a sd card large enough |
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| 19:17.54 | PaulFertser | buluca: i installed debian on stock 512Mb card and used for some time. |
| 19:18.51 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: best bet, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2-0 broke my stuff |
| 19:18.55 | buluca | PaulFertser: but IIRC there's little spare space |
| 19:19.26 | PaulFertser | buluca: yes, not much, especially when you start download big maps. |
| 19:19.44 | Kero | so what's 88SHR, an image of yesterday? |
| 19:19.46 | PaulFertser | buluca: and i like navit approach better anyway but i've never tried it. |
| 19:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: AIUI that's work in progress and very likely will bork everything. I'm astonished it only broke some layout |
| 19:20.25 | buluca | PaulFertser: yep |
| 19:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:22.53 | Kero | will take the gta01 version |
| 19:23.12 | Kero | and as I'm buying larger uSD tomorrow, I can try many distros |
| 19:24.57 | PaulFertser | oh man, RANJAN is so wierd :S |
| 19:25.00 | Kero | still have that little question, I have a beautiful image I want to use as background. enlightenment? illume? where do I configure it? X background is drawn over. |
| 19:26.50 | xyzz | hmm, how can I disable CLIR? only with prefixing numbers? or is there som AT command? |
| 19:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | xyzz: shr-settings-phone "call-settings" "show my number" |
| 19:30.24 | xyzz | (om2009) ... is there some more generic way? :) |
| 19:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. for sure there's a framework-method via dbus |
| 19:32.01 | xyzz | ok, I will finaly check that SHR ... |
| 19:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | but if there's no interface for that in 2009-gui, then you won't know what the dialer app is doing with that "more generic mode" |
| 19:33.28 | xyzz | right |
| 19:39.32 | ossguy | is there some way to get SHR to remember the auto-suspend setting across reboots? |
| 19:39.56 | ossguy | when I disable auto-suspend and then reboot, I find that it has been magically re-enabled (probably never saved in the first place) |
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| 19:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope. |
| 19:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | you may start an "app" in initscript (or any other means) to allocate the resource to stop autosuspend |
| 19:44.19 | ossguy | I see |
| 19:44.33 | ossguy | it seems logical that tangoGPS would disable autosuspend, but it doesn't seem to by default |
| 19:44.48 | ossguy | btw, it seems that one can turn it off globally: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Turnoffauto-suspend |
| 19:44.53 | ossguy | will try that now |
| 19:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | yaml-rules I guess? |
| 19:46.14 | ossguy | not sure what you mean |
| 19:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, wasn't aware of that |
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| 19:52.47 | buluca | btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb c648c920 failed to resubmit (19) |
| 19:53.13 | buluca | btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb c648c920 submission failed |
| 19:53.50 | buluca | mmm but why does it freeze here? |
| 20:01.31 | ossguy | DocScrutinizer: how do I allocate the resource to stop autosuspend? |
| 20:01.45 | ossguy | I tried the tweak I linked to and it didn't work |
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| 20:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: fsoraw -r Display sh -c "echo 'close me (^D) to stop autosuspen-block'; cat >jdev/null" |
| 20:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | s/jdev/\/dev/ |
| 20:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: fsoraw -r Display sh -c "echo 'close me (^D) to stop autosuspen-block'; cat >/dev/null" |
| 20:05.46 | ossguy | in /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop you mean? |
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| 20:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | for stopping autosuspend during tango is running, do "fsoraw -r CPU tankogps". Edit the *.desktop file of tango |
| 20:07.21 | Fossi1 | do 16gb microsd cards work with the freerunner? |
| 20:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:07.46 | Fossi1 | cool |
| 20:07.59 | Fossi1 | now i just have to hunt one of those beasts down |
| 20:08.16 | Fossi1 | you can be happy if they have 4gb cards in the local shops |
| 20:08.25 | ossguy | I'd be careful with buying a microSD card |
| 20:08.28 | Fossi1 | *here |
| 20:08.34 | ossguy | some cards don't work very nicely with the FreeRunner |
| 20:08.58 | ossguy | check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
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| 20:09.54 | ossguy | I've had good luck with the SDSDQ-2048-E11MK (not SDHC, but listed on the page as working) |
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| 20:10.09 | Fossi1 | yeah, just saw the list |
| 20:10.15 | ossguy | I had bad experiences with a 2GB Transcend card |
| 20:10.28 | Fossi1 | but i thought the problems were gone now |
| 20:10.36 | ossguy | I thought it would work because the FreeRunner ships with a Transcend card, but it didn't |
| 20:10.50 | Fossi1 | i'm using qi anyway and some andy tracking kernel |
| 20:10.52 | ossguy | I'm not sure how the problems would disappear |
| 20:11.04 | ossguy | yeah, I guess if you're using a newer bootloader you might have better luck |
| 20:12.19 | Fossi1 | hmmm. i should prolly read up how wide the bus is |
| 20:12.27 | Fossi1 | maybe class 6 won't do any good |
| 20:12.53 | ossguy | I wouldn't buy anything _but_ class 6 :) |
| 20:13.05 | Fossi1 | "The bus is limited in speed to about 7 Mb/s." |
| 20:13.05 | ossguy | not sure why you'd what to avoid it |
| 20:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | nokia class2 16GB fine here |
| 20:13.19 | ossguy | ok, fair enough |
| 20:13.24 | Fossi1 | so class 6 would be the most you get out of it |
| 20:13.26 | ossguy | but shouldn't it properly throttle its bus? |
| 20:13.37 | Fossi1 | not that there is any official higher standard yet |
| 20:14.19 | Fossi1 | well, since i will prolly only run the card in the fr, i don't need a class 6 card, if the bus would've been cut at 2Mb/s |
| 20:15.06 | ossguy | fair enough |
| 20:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | actually it seems to max out at 1.5 |
| 20:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | glamo interface issue |
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| 20:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | bought a 16GB transcend (iirc) which was borked - on all systems, not only FR |
| 20:18.28 | Fossi1 | DocScrutinizer: hmmm .ok |
| 20:28.49 | ossguy | where does one get the fsoraw binary? |
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| 20:37.01 | ossguy | DocScrutinizer: have you use fsoraw yourself before? |
| 20:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 20:37.42 | ossguy | where do you get it from? did you compile it yourself? |
| 20:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | should be included in SHR |
| 20:38.37 | ossguy | I don't see it |
| 20:38.43 | ossguy | running 21 Jul 2009 version |
| 20:39.11 | ossguy | not in my path and "find / -name fsoraw -print" returns nothing |
| 20:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | OUCH, DEPRECATED INSTABLE VERSION |
| 20:39.17 | ossguy | oh yeah? |
| 20:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | ERKS capslock |
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| 20:40.18 | ossguy | perhaps http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Getting_SHR should be fixed then |
| 20:40.28 | ossguy | it recommends downloading the image I'm using |
| 20:40.46 | ossguy | to be precise, it recommends http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
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| 20:42.44 | RamsesFSFE | does anyone know, why the Neo GPS always thinks that I'm moving, even if I'm stationary? |
| 20:43.05 | ossguy | RamsesFSFE: I'm pretty sure that happens with all consumer GPS receivers |
| 20:43.06 | Zorkman | gps inaccuracy?. |
| 20:43.10 | ossguy | it's just the nature of the technology |
| 20:44.10 | RamsesFSFE | ossguy, ahm, no |
| 20:44.30 | RamsesFSFE | ossguy, my Garmin 60CSx doesn't do this |
| 20:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: fsoraw is acually missing in current image :-( too bad. |
| 20:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: check my ticket http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/393 |
| 20:45.45 | lindi- | RamsesFSFE: average over longer time period? |
| 20:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | you'll find source for binary iirc |
| 20:45.51 | ossguy | DocScrutinizer: so am I using a proper image then? |
| 20:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: I recommended image three times last 4 hours |
| 20:46.35 | RamsesFSFE | lindi, it says that I'm moving with a speed of about 1 km/h |
| 20:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | and siblings |
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| 20:55.47 | ossguy | RamsesFSFE: it's all in how the software interprets the GPS trace |
| 20:56.05 | ossguy | tangoGPS doesn't try to infer anything about how you're moving |
| 20:56.19 | ossguy | so it shows you're moving because that's what the GPS coords say |
| 20:56.41 | lindi- | ossguy: the proprietary software running on the arm processor that does the gps calculations does try to estimate speed |
| 20:56.43 | ossguy | I suspect your Garmin receiver has some built-in logic to detect when you're probably not moving and then tell you that |
| 20:57.05 | ossguy | instead of basing its decision solely on the raw coords |
| 20:58.52 | ossguy | lindi-: so does tangoGPS use that or create its own? |
| 20:59.05 | lindi- | ossguy: probably uses that |
| 20:59.35 | lindi- | ossguy: xgps and cgps at least use whatever they can read from the serial port |
| 21:00.53 | ossguy | DocScrutinizer: sorry, I missed those earlier |
| 21:01.24 | ossguy | I assumed the SHR User Manual on the wiki provided the right links |
| 21:01.38 | ossguy | but it looks like it points to an older fs image |
| 21:01.43 | ossguy | though the kernel is the same |
| 21:05.55 | RamsesFSFE | ossguy, IMHO, that's a bug |
| 21:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: sorry I'm dumbass... "opkg install fsoraw" |
| 21:13.05 | ossguy | DocScrutinizer: I tried that but was informed it didn't exist |
| 21:13.19 | ossguy | but if you say my image is old and broken, I'll just get the new one |
| 21:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: opkg is now known as opkg-cl ;-) wait a minute, I test if it succeeds |
| 21:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | yo, Downloading http://build.foo.bar...fsoraw_0.0.1-r0_armv4.ipk |
| 21:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | configuring fsoraw... |
| 21:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | done |
| 21:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | ossguy: you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources |
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| 21:28.41 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Newsflash: Openmoko stops new phone development. | Freerunner sales will continue. | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009. | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta0 |
| 21:29.20 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Newsflash: Openmoko stops new phone development. | Freerunner sales will continue. | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02 |
| 21:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | fsck |
| 21:30.17 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Newsflash: Openmoko stops new phone development. Freerunner sales will continue | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.roo |
| 21:30.46 | TAsn | .roo ? :) |
| 21:30.58 | TAsn | Just remove the newsflash |
| 21:31.03 | TAsn | as it's not new |
| 21:31.04 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 21:31.19 | TAsn | and add a /tar.gz/other formats |
| 21:31.20 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:31.30 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 21:32.42 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* |
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| 21:43.31 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I add the opkg.org repo? |
| 21:45.22 | TAsn | Digital_Pioneer, to what distro? |
| 21:45.50 | TAsn | (because if it's shr, just for you to know, who highly discourage that) |
| 21:45.58 | TAsn | just give us a link to the sources of your wanted app |
| 21:46.02 | TAsn | and we'll add it to our repos |
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| 21:50.04 | Digital_Pioneer | TAsn: SHR-U... |
| 21:50.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Why is that discouraged? |
| 21:50.49 | TAsn | Digital_Pioneer, because we can't assure the quality of those packages |
| 21:50.58 | TAsn | please just ask for packages |
| 21:51.00 | TAsn | and you'll get them |
| 21:51.02 | TAsn | in our repos |
| 21:51.53 | Digital_Pioneer | All of the nEo packages. |
| 21:52.20 | Digital_Pioneer | My phone capability in SHR-U is COMPLETELY gone. |
| 21:52.28 | Digital_Pioneer | It refuses to even see a network. |
| 21:52.58 | Wonka | is ophonekitd running? |
| 21:53.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope. |
| 21:53.34 | Digital_Pioneer | It's not starting it. |
| 21:53.41 | Digital_Pioneer | (Just started it myself) |
| 21:54.17 | Digital_Pioneer | It won't turn the darn antenna on... |
| 21:54.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Screw this... I'm gonna have to reflash. Again. |
| 21:54.38 | Wonka | then look into /var/log/ophonekitd.log |
| 21:55.03 | Wonka | should say there something about that |
| 21:56.29 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: what about http://www.opkg.org/package_2.html? ;) |
| 21:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 21:57.42 | TAsn | Digital_Pioneer, DO NOT OPKG UPGRADE |
| 21:58.01 | TAsn | we'll release a new testing image soon (hopefully) |
| 21:58.23 | Wonka | is slightly pissed about not being able to "opkg upgrade"... |
| 21:58.39 | *** topic/#openmoko by DocScrutinizer -> Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* - DO NOT "opkg upgrade"! |
| 21:58.40 | Wonka | i'd need to do _all_ my changes again after every f***ing new image |
| 21:58.54 | Wonka | and that's not nearly funny |
| 21:58.58 | TAsn | Digital_Pioneer, just reflash |
| 21:59.00 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: sorry, meant TAsn |
| 21:59.12 | Jozo | Wonka: install Debian |
| 21:59.13 | TAsn | Wonka, we know |
| 21:59.19 | TAsn | that's why we are realeasing |
| 21:59.24 | TAsn | a testing image |
| 21:59.26 | TAsn | (trying at least) |
| 22:00.03 | TAsn | so you won't have to reflash all the time. |
| 22:00.03 | Wonka | Jozo: i have debian. debian has no ophonekitd... |
| 22:00.03 | Jozo | Wonka: package it |
| 22:01.19 | Wonka | *sigh* that's what i wanted to leave to others ;) |
| 22:01.35 | Wonka | is paroli going to come to SHR? |
| 22:01.52 | Wonka | (and what's different in paroli?) |
| 22:10.14 | Wonka | TAsn: _iff_ there's some time, eventually, could we get http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D in SHR? ;) |
| 22:10.46 | TAsn | I think there's some sort of copyright/lack of source issues |
| 22:10.56 | TAsn | though if you give us proof that it's legit |
| 22:10.59 | TAsn | just open a ticket |
| 22:11.02 | TAsn | and we'll pack it |
| 22:11.26 | dos1 | Wonka, TAsn: i don't think it works with recent kernels |
| 22:11.28 | Wonka | well, the source code is GPL, and the game data is shareware |
| 22:11.43 | TAsn | Wonka, then just open a ticket |
| 22:11.45 | TAsn | we'll pack it. |
| 22:11.56 | TAsn | dos1, :| |
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| 22:12.10 | Wonka | dos1: i might look into it while on HAR2009... |
| 22:12.20 | TAsn | dos1, btw, what about my wiki entry? (I know I'm annoying though I really want to get it going) |
| 22:12.39 | Wonka | if necessary after finding out how to build stuff for FR |
| 22:12.47 | ossguy | DocScrutinizer: "opkg-cl install fsoraw": Cannot find package fsoraw. |
| 22:13.08 | dos1 | TAsn: then help me ;P |
| 22:13.16 | ossguy | using build from 08 Aug 2009 18:35:43 +0200 according to /etc/shr-version |
| 22:13.20 | TAsn | dos1, why didn't you ask before? |
| 22:13.22 | TAsn | tell me what you need. |
| 22:13.27 | dos1 | :D |
| 22:13.39 | TAsn | ossguy, opkg-cl update? |
| 22:13.52 | ossguy | as long as I don't upgrade? :) |
| 22:14.40 | ossguy | thanks; that did it |
| 22:14.56 | [Rui] | who had the so great idea of using connmand, really? |
| 22:15.05 | ossguy | seems odd for an update to pull in new packages |
| 22:15.16 | ossguy | especially when the image is only one day old |
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| 22:47.13 | jjwc | Has SHR been fixed since about an hour or so ago? |
| 22:47.21 | jjwc | erm actually more like 4 or 5. |
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| 23:02.19 | TAsn | jjwc, no. |
| 23:02.26 | TAsn | we are waiting for a fix from fso |
| 23:04.38 | jjwc | TAsn: okay, thanks for the info. I guess this is the time to play with other distributions then :) |
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