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00:18.58ndnihilholyshit
00:19.03ndnihilI have working perl-tk
00:19.26ndnihilmy camera control app from the workstation works!
00:21.25ndnihilcorrection
00:21.27ndnihilit displays
00:21.39ndnihilbut it seems the callbacks are different in this version
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01:27.20|Marco|http://underpower.non-essential.com/comics/20061122.jpg  <-- bare su du er klar over det :P
01:27.26|Marco|ops, sorry
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04:17.30roolyokay guys
04:17.32roolyfuck qtmoko
04:17.42ndnihilfuck it in its cornhole
04:17.46SeligArk1nNot now, I have a headache
04:18.02ndnihilfinally got perl-tk working on shr-unstable
04:20.37roolyhmm
04:20.44roolywhat is the latest kernel
04:21.09roolywants to try old qt4.3.2 with a decent kernel/modules.tgz and qi
04:21.15roolysince i'm in flash mode right now
04:21.20rooly'twas the best os released
04:21.26roolyno browser, mind you
04:21.28roolybut still
04:22.14ndnihillatest? or "most recently functional"
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05:06.18roolyokay
05:06.24roolygonna try out qt 4.3.2
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09:53.28ndnihilwoot woot, perl-tk compiled, missing perl bits added, and video launcher for glamo patched mplayer works
09:53.53ndnihilits not pretty, but I'm so happy I dont have to use python for GUI :)
09:54.17mickeylcongrats
09:54.23mickeylthat's the idea of freedom
09:54.38ndnihilindeed
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10:12.31jajdoes the mplayer in shr-unstable have a glamo patch?
10:13.50ndnihilI dont think so
10:14.00ndnihilI'm using shr-unstable from about a month ago
10:14.05ndnihiland had to install it separately
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11:24.50PaulFertserGuys, i know it's quite offtopic but can somebody explain me the "western society" pov on Georgia / Russia war that happened a year ago?
11:26.05vegyraupePaulFertser: hey, that is a nice question :)
11:26.32vegyraupePaulFertser: what's your take on it?
11:27.42PaulFertservegyraupe: i'm asking because all our official mass media are trying to present that as an ultimate aggression of Georgia against freedom-loving people of Osetiya. Since it's an official position i'm very sceptical about it but it looks like it was Saakashvili who's guilty of deaths. There were no war but he started it...
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11:30.08vegyraupeheh, I think here it is presented as Russian wanting to regain influence and securing its "sphere of influence"(quote from german mass media) and the EU being afraid of backing Georgia due to fear of confrontation with Russia
11:30.15vegyraupeat least that is what I remember
11:30.46vegyraupethey pretty much presented "democratic small georgia" up against "the big empire"
11:30.49PaulFertservegyraupe: that's true but our army forces didn't kill people in the first place.
11:31.06vegyraupePaulFertser: I am not saying that this is my opinion
11:31.24vegyraupethat was what stuck in my head from the media
11:31.47SpeedEvilPaulFertser: same here (uk)
11:31.50vegyraupeI have not nearly enough knowledge in order to give a qualified comment
11:32.02PaulFertserI'm sure that's true. Russian authorities care much about their "empire ambitions" so yes, they support separatism whereever they think they can get some influence.
11:32.15vegyraupePaul+
11:32.28vegyraupePaulFertser: that is common practice and does go for any bigger nation
11:32.58vegyraupeso from my paranoid POV russia did what every big nation does but it got caught
11:33.16PaulFertservegyraupe: imho it sucks but the most important question for me is who actually started the war, started to kill people.
11:33.18vegyraupe(judging from my limited knowledge)
11:33.49vegyraupelet me check what our media says
11:34.10SpeedEvilFrom what I've understood on all the media - russia was creating a pretext to a large degree by issuing passports to georgians. Then something unclear happened - I haven't seen enough data from independants either way - leading to a russian 'invasion' - and subsequent take-over.
11:34.50SpeedEvil(neglecting the military action in georgia - that's still under georgian control.
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11:36.38PaulFertserSpeedEvil: (passports) true
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11:37.00PaulFertserSpeedEvil: russia created a lot of tension there by doing many stupid inappropriate things, that's no doubt.
11:37.49PaulFertserSpeedEvil: but what happened after that is an attempt by georgian authorities to regain control over Osetiya with military forces. At least i've never heard any other explanation.
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11:38.55SpeedEvilThey may well have felt that at some point, you've got to make the attempt though, or lose your country through inaction. Or large parts of it. That it was an incompetant attempt to regain control is another issue.
11:38.59vegyraupePaulFertser: it seems they said the same here, Georgia sent troops and Russia responded by also sending troups
11:39.43PaulFertserSpeedEvil: attempt to take control over people by force? Is it something that can be considered moral anywhere?
11:40.29PaulFertserSpeedEvil: the reality is that quite some Osetiya inhabitants do not want to be a part of georgia, they proved that with arms in their hands in 90s.
11:40.57PaulFertservegyraupe: and that is considered to be "ok"? To send troops?
11:41.11SpeedEvilThere were certainly people in russias area of protection - before the attempt by georgias military - who diddn't want to russia to be there at all. Was it a majority - or a minority - I have no clue.
11:42.03vegyraupePaulFertser: considered ok by whom? I believe the situation is far too complex to talk in terms of "ok" and "not ok"
11:42.26PaulFertserSpeedEvil: that's true indeed.
11:43.13vegyraupePaulFertser: it depends what people say in 5 - 10 years ... "Russia sent troops to stop Georgia from stopping a revolution" or "Russia used the heat of the moment to tighten its grip on the area"
11:43.15SpeedEvilHorrible issue. Fundamentally insoluble. The notion of taking over a slice of other countries to 'protect your citezens' - that are largely your citezens because you've recently issued them passports sounds - historically - like a really, really bad precedent to set/encourage.
11:43.24PaulFertservegyraupe: by the society. Can anyone think that giving passports is worse than killing people?
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11:44.39PaulFertserSpeedEvil: but afaik Osetiya and Abhasiya were in fact independent from Georgia for more than 10 years.
11:45.09PaulFertserSpeedEvil: so the revolution happened >10 years ago, not a year ago.
11:46.02SpeedEvilAnyway - it's too close in time to really judge what the historical view will be.
11:46.26dos1PaulFertser: about your first question: here in Poland, in mass media Russia was "that evil" :P
11:46.37PaulFertserAnd there were russian "peacemakers" in that area for quite some time already and it was considered to be acceptable by the EU.
11:46.40SpeedEvilFor example - Kosovo - it's only now looking fairly likely that it'll stay an independant state.
11:48.01SpeedEvil(Fun debate on OpenStreetmap - Kosovo government releases data - do we accept it - given that the data was probably sourced from historical data before the Kosovan government came into existance - and there are quite a few places not recognising)
11:48.26PaulFertserSpeedEvil: i can't understand all the fuss about it. In my opinion any state borders are nothing comparing to the people's lives. And i believe people are free to choose themselves if they want to be a part of some particular state or not.
11:49.05SpeedEvilAnd if 34% want to be of state A, 34% of state B, and 31% state C?
11:49.14SpeedEvilThe case of 100% is easy and trivial.
11:49.42SpeedEvilIn many ways the brokenness is the existance of states at all.
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11:50.38PaulFertserSpeedEvil: (existance of states) so true :-/
11:51.32SpeedEvilBut thousands of little kingdoms, with taxes at each border are a more pervasive problem, and lead to many more issues.
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11:56.39dos1PaulFertser: the thing is - Russia was breaking international law, and they clearly stated "we don't care about restrictions"
11:58.21max_posedoninternational law less important then people lives
11:58.32max_posedondon't forget about it
11:58.41PaulFertsermax_posedon++
11:59.11PaulFertserdos1: don't forget: there were no war before georgian troops came there.
11:59.58max_posedonand when you speak so, dos1, ask your goverment, why about Kosovo poland had different position in exactly same situation
12:01.05dos1PaulFertser: but why russian troops came?
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12:02.33PaulFertserdos1: to stop invasion (and to fulfill russia's empire desires of course). Osetiya was in fact independent from Georgia for more than 10 years.
12:02.45max_posedonalso about this conflict, near 40% of people there had Russian passportss
12:04.48dos1for me Kosovo situation looked really differently...
12:05.01PaulFertsermax_posedon: well, technically that's true but in fact that's some dirty trick and i don't think that's relevant.
12:07.05dos1PaulFertser: Osetiya was "independent" from Georgia since 1991, but there was no country which accepted that independence
12:07.25dos1PaulFertser: Russia accepted it 17 years later...
12:07.46PaulFertserdos1: that by no means can justify invading it with georgian troops.
12:08.09dos1it's oficialy part of Georgia
12:09.18dos1well. that's complicated situation and i can't say, who is "that good" - Georgia or Osetiya
12:09.23max_posedonand offitialy Georgia started inetrnal war
12:09.48dos1but i can't see, what the hell russia is doing outside their teritory
12:10.07max_posedonyou still speaking about laws, and forgrtting people lives
12:10.15dos1and interesting thing is that was *only* russia, noone more
12:10.29dos1so Russia is the only one country, which cares about people lives?
12:10.43max_posedondos1, look at map!
12:10.54PaulFertserdos1: don't forget, there're our peacemakers and that was officially accepted by international organisations.
12:11.27PaulFertserdos1: they were in fact obliged to stop _any_ military activities from any side.
12:11.46dos1max_posedon: but USA and EU countries are against Russia intervences in Georgia
12:11.50PaulFertserdos1: and ok, that's officially part of georgia, well, does it give them the right to start a civil war then?
12:12.11dos1keep in mind i don't know what is situation ATM, i'm talking about situation from year ago
12:12.45max_posedondos1, so USA and EU prefered to many deaths in Osetiya
12:13.19dos1max_posedon: i can't believe Russia is the only one justice and good...
12:13.25max_posedonit is ok for them, they far away, and don't care about people lives
12:14.05max_posedondos1, russia was able to start stopping war in 2 houes after beginning
12:14.17dos1max_posedon: especially after second WW, when Russia was comming to Poland saying, that they will help us to fight with Germans
12:14.45dos1so people was fighting more intensively due to hope help will come
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12:15.27dos1but Russia waited when polish people will fail, and then they will be able to occupy poland without fight...
12:16.06dos1i don't know how russia people are educated about second WW, but i heard they are still trying to hide some facts
12:16.25dos1and honestly - i don't trust Russia government :(
12:17.09max_posedonpoland not far from Belarus, there situation was similar
12:17.29max_posedonbut result was different,
12:17.54max_posedonas for me - I don't trust any goverment
12:18.30dos1PaulFertser: what do you know about Katyń? and if you know - where did you learn it?
12:18.34dos1PaulFertser: no offence, i'm just curious
12:19.22TAsn"mama should I trust the govt...?"
12:19.30PaulFertserTAsn++
12:19.42TAsn:)
12:19.57dos1PaulFertser: Katyń = Катынь
12:20.00PaulFertserdos1: sure
12:20.30max_posedondos1, Хатынь
12:20.55dos1max_posedon: then looks like wikipedia article needs correction :D
12:20.56PaulFertserdos1: (poland occupation) iirc it's commonly known that the ussr and germany made a secret agreement to divide poland in two parts and occupy it.
12:21.14dos1PaulFertser: yup
12:21.43max_posedonyes. and I remind your both
12:22.04max_posedonthat Russian part - is Belarus now
12:22.06PaulFertserdos1: max_posedon http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB
12:22.48dos1PaulFertser: but ussr did that in really bad way, as they said they want to help poland to fight with germans
12:23.31max_posedondos1 problem is they just can't help
12:23.49dos1PaulFertser: i don't want to know what is available in wikipedia. i want to know what is learned in schools in Russia
12:23.54max_posedonBelarus was occupired in 3 montha
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12:24.19dos1PaulFertser: and what do you know about why it isn't accepted by Russian government
12:24.21PaulFertserdos1: i don't think many sane people would defend ussr actions.
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12:25.41dos1PaulFertser: right. i just want to confirm if propaganda is still used in Russia, cause as far as I heard it is
12:25.48PaulFertserdos1: also it was officially accepted that mass murder in Katyn is ussr's authorities action.
12:26.01PaulFertserdos1: in 1990
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12:27.10max_posedonKatyn is just symbol, but many-many villages here was fired by germany
12:27.18PaulFertserdos1: btw, nobody trusts russian govermnent. That doesn't mean georgia's allowed to start a civil war.
12:28.06max_posedondos1, try compare belarus anf poland cities
12:28.24max_posedonmost of our was completly distroed
12:28.59max_posedonwe have old houses only in Grodno and Brest
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12:31.05dos1max_posedon: almost the same here, but it depends on if we look on west or east of poland
12:31.58dos1but i'm sure Warsaw was completely destroyed during II WW
12:32.32max_posedonvisit warsaw, and go trough old parts of town
12:32.56dos1max_posedon: which are rather small parts and mostly reconstructed
12:33.12max_posedonyou will see old houses, Minsk - haven't them
12:34.44dos1max_posedon: another which in which i'm so cursious: what Belarus people know about Polish Association on Belarus?
12:34.53max_posedonanyway, we far away from topic from which you started..
12:35.32dos1Саюз Палякаў Беларусі
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12:35.53dos1max_posedon: i know, but i'm just using possibilty to hear answers to interesting questions to me ;)
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12:36.15max_posedonIts just political organization
12:36.34max_posedonmain goal - support opposition
12:37.14max_posedonalso they looking for cheap people to work in Poland
12:38.02max_posedonand have some programs for belarus people who want live in Poland
12:38.32dos1hmm
12:38.34dos1strange
12:38.51badcloud_can I ask a non-political question?
12:38.58max_posedonI'm from Grodno, many my friends immigrate to poland with their help
12:39.13max_posedonbadcloud_, sure)
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12:40.22dos1max_posedon: that's why bielarus government don't accept this association and makes another, not accepted by polish government?
12:40.27max_posedondos1, also I know that all this orhanization used for taking money from your goverment
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12:40.30badcloud_are there any distros that come close to shr's battery life?
12:40.46badcloud_or does it have to do more with the kernel
12:41.08PaulFertserbadcloud_: if the distro supports suspending, then there shouldn't be much difference.
12:42.06max_posedondos1, as I said, main peoples from there just taking your moneys and put them into their pockets
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12:42.42dos1max_posedon: where did you hear that?
12:43.26max_posedonhear? I know it), I know some of this people
12:44.29dos1max_posedon: ok, that's what majority of associations is doing, but why bielarus isn't accepting it? :P
12:44.41max_posedonbelarus haven't opposition. its fake, for asking EU for more money
12:44.48dos1and makes repressions on polish journalists?
12:45.17PaulFertserdos1: do you really expect max_posedon to defend his goverment? :-O
12:45.17badcloud_really? I could barely get through one day using h1
12:45.34badcloud_under suspend
12:45.36badcloud_whereas with shr I get over two das
12:45.39badcloud_*days
12:45.46dos1max_posedon: it is. bielarus is even redaging their own version of "głos znad niemna"
12:45.51dos1(newspaper)
12:46.45max_posedondos1 belarus goverment dislike any political introversion from any country
12:47.02dos1PaulFertser: it seems i need to learn english more until i'll make discussions like that again. i just can't say everything i want, even with looking at dictionary :D
12:47.23dos1max_posedon: that explanation looks crappy for me, sorry :(
12:47.31max_posedonrussian political journalists have same problems
12:47.36max_posedonas is
12:47.48PaulFertserdos1: belarus goverment is totalitarian, what are you surprised with?
12:48.09max_posedonyep, PaulFertser right
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12:48.20dos1PaulFertser: noo, i just want to know what normal people know about that :P
12:48.33max_posedonbut we like this totalirizm
12:48.35dos1PaulFertser: how it's pressented in media and in schools etc.
12:48.47max_posedon(some of us)
12:48.49PaulFertserdos1: you bet it's the same as was in the USSR times.
12:49.09PaulFertserdos1: most smart people understood everything, some of them even liked than.
12:49.17PaulFertserdos1: most others were fooled by propaganda.
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12:51.27dos1PaulFertser: i'm probably to young to understand everything. i was borned 3 years after Republic of Poland was created again (89), and i know that propaganda only from what i heard or what i read
12:52.09PaulFertserdos1: look at current russian tv news ;)
12:52.30PaulFertserdos1: oh, i have another suggestion.
12:52.58dos1PaulFertser: i think i know quite good PRL (People's Republic of Poland), but i can't imagine me living in that times
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12:53.15dos1PaulFertser: so i probably won't even consider living in Belarus or Russia ;)
12:53.26PaulFertserdos1: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przenicowany_%C5%9Bwiat
12:53.43PaulFertserdos1: read that book!
12:54.45PaulFertserdos1: or at least Farenheight 451, this one is must read.
12:54.54max_posedondos1, as for me - I just keeping distance from politics at all
12:55.57PaulFertserdos1: and this one of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
12:56.08dos1PaulFertser: ok, i'll look at that books
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12:57.21dos11984... it's shame i didn't read it yet... :x but i think i'll soon
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12:57.30badcloud_one of my personal favs
12:57.31PaulFertserdos1: if you've never read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bradbury before, i really recommend you to start.
12:57.45badcloud_finished that thing in less than two days
12:57.56badcloud_(1984, not my gta02 bat)
12:58.24badcloud_but seriously, you guys haven't felt any differences between shr and all other distros in terms of bat life??
12:58.53dos1badcloud_: how SHR could have influence on battery life?
12:59.11PaulFertserdos1: i suggest you read Bradbury first.
12:59.14dos1badcloud_: of course if some distro is sucking 100% CPU all the time it does have influence ;)
12:59.42dos1but correct suspend is more important
12:59.53max_posedonbadcloud_, some distros don't suspend correctly
13:00.06dos1badcloud_: maybe that's usage of FSO which makes difference. FSO disables all resources (wifi, bt, etc.) when they are not used
13:00.08dos1dunno about others
13:00.41max_posedonsome not-fso-based could have problems with always enabled wifi for exanple
13:00.57jajdoes anybody know a configuration tweak to avoid suspends while gpsd is active?
13:01.18PaulFertserjaj: use fsoraw
13:01.27dos1jaj: fsoraw and request CPU resource
13:01.28PaulFertserjaj: have you already read FSO_Resources wikipage?
13:01.33badcloud_dos1, coming from a user point of view, no idea. I didn't fully diagnose, I just tested different distros as my daily phone
13:01.39jajPaulFertser: no
13:01.43PaulFertserjaj: please do
13:02.05max_posedonjaj, Settings->Power->Auto suspend-> off
13:02.35PaulFertsermax_posedon: how is it any better than using fsoraw?
13:02.40jajmax_posedon: yes I know but I don't like GUIs ;)
13:03.11jajPaulFertser: thanks for the hint about the FSO_Resources page, I didn't know it
13:03.32max_posedonPaulFertser, its finger friendly solution
13:03.35dos1PaulFertser: it's better if you just want to pernamently disable suspend
13:03.43dos1PaulFertser: it's also requesting CPU resource
13:04.11dos1via ophonekitd
13:04.23PaulFertserjaj: it's brand-new, wrote that specifically to avoid telling people the same stuff all the time.
13:04.34jaj:)
13:05.27jajis there some documentation about all those FSO tools like abyss, ophonekitd, frameworkd, ... what they do and how you can configure them
13:05.33jajthere are no man pages AFAIK
13:06.21PaulFertserjaj: abyss doesn't require user configuration
13:06.46PaulFertserjaj: ophonekitd has a conf file, frameworkd has a self-documenting conf file too.
13:06.58PaulFertserjaj: whenever something is not obvious you can look at the sources or ask devs.
13:07.06PaulFertserAnd read the wiki!
13:07.21lindi-there should be man pages that tell you this
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13:08.19PaulFertserlindi-: sure
13:09.03jajbut for example for ophonekitd there is no wiki page, I don't even know what its role is
13:09.44TAsnjaj, it's the "phone manager"
13:09.54TAsni.e it's responsible for asking fso to register to network
13:10.02TAsnor open an incoming call window
13:10.05TAsnwhen a call arrives
13:10.09TAsnetc etc.
13:10.20jajok I see
13:10.34jajit's only important for the guy part?
13:10.40jajs/guy/GUI/
13:10.43TAsnjaj, GUI? no
13:10.53TAsnit's also responsible for registering to network
13:10.59TAsn(asking fso to register)
13:11.16max_posedonits UI part
13:11.18TAsnand for some reason it also wraps resources allocation ;\
13:11.48jajand frameworkd is responsible for actually talking to the devices? is it frameworkd that makes available the dbus api?
13:12.27TAsnjaj, aye.
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13:12.58jajI see
13:12.59jajthanks
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13:23.46dos1TAsn: resource allocation is nice, i couldn't to auto-dimming and auto-suspend in shr-settings without that
13:23.58dos1TAsn: it was also nice for bash scripts before fsoraw
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13:24.14lindi-X has done autodimming for me for years :)
13:24.46TAsndos1, you are talking about ophonekitd-resource-alllocation
13:24.47dos1lindi-: i mean disabling autodimming :P
13:24.56dos1TAsn: yes
13:25.14lindi-dos1: i can disable that with X too :)
13:25.24TAsndos1, NO
13:25.34TAsnthis is just a way for you to overcome a design flaw
13:25.45TAsn(i.e not enabling you to control auto-dimming correctly)
13:25.50TAsnnothing more.
13:25.58dos1lindi-: but here that's not X who does blanking
13:26.10dos1TAsn: it's also useful for me when using oumtsd :D
13:27.20TAsndos1, how come?
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13:27.30dos1TAsn: and you can release and request again GSM resource with that
13:28.11TAsndos1, if you think that's important (release and immediate request) consider suggesting it to the fso API
13:28.16TAsnno need for hacking.
13:28.25dos1TAsn: hmm?
13:28.26dos1TAsn: no
13:28.35dos1TAsn: i mean "gsm antenna" switch in shr-settings
13:28.48dos1TAsn: i'm calling ophonekitd.ReleaseResource('GSM')
13:29.04dos1TAsn: so ophonekitd releases resource which it requested at boot
13:29.36TAsnthat's something different!
13:29.41dos1TAsn: and after that when i want to turn on gsm again, i'm calling ophonekitd.RequestResource('GSM'), and ophonekitd is activating GSM again :P
13:29.46TAsnyou control the ophonekitd requesting of gsm
13:29.55TAsnit should have just been
13:30.13TAsnophonekitd.Connect('GSM')
13:30.16TAsnor something like that
13:30.25TAsnbut it's not because it's a resource
13:30.27TAsnbut because
13:30.40TAsnophonekitd is responsible for network management.
13:31.17dos1TAsn: i agree it could be done much better
13:31.31dos1TAsn: i'm just against removing resource handling from ophonekitd without adding substitutes
13:31.49TAsndos1, I'm not favoring the removal
13:32.07dos1ok then, i misunderstood :)
13:32.07TAsnI'm just against the initial addition :)
13:32.29TAsndos1, ;)
13:32.42TAsnI think it's dumb
13:32.42TAsnand useless
13:32.42TAsnand plain confusing
13:32.50TAsnfso implements this way of resource handling for a reason!
13:32.53TAsn(because it's correct)
13:32.59TAsnno need to hack around it.
13:33.05TAsnjust to make stuff broken on purpose
13:33.26TAsnActually
13:33.28TAsnI don't think ophonekitd should have this kind of thing at all
13:33.34TAsnit should just sense (by signals)
13:33.36TAsna change in gsm state
13:33.39TAsnand act accordingly
13:33.49TAsnfso should be able to just disable the resource without caring.
13:34.02dos1TAsn: but how to change gsm state then, if gsm resource is requested by ophonekitd?
13:34.09dos1oh
13:34.17dos1ok, nvm
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13:36.51TAsndos1, do you agree?
13:38.55dos1TAsn: i agree there should be some better method, but i'm not sure how it should look like
13:38.56dos1:P
13:39.11TAsndos1, so you do/don't agree with my design suggestion? :)
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13:43.52dos1TAsn: i agree with ophonekitd.Connect :P
13:44.07dos1but i don't know how to think about "disabling resource without care"
13:44.24dos1but probably it should be, as we don't want software to be smarter than user
13:44.29dos1;)
13:44.50TAsnaye.
13:45.09TAsnand we also want apps to be able to write apps without caring if it's shr/paroli or anything else, as long as it's fso based...
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13:45.45TAsndos1, as disabling the resource will ensure gsm is off
13:45.58TAsnwhile asking ophonekitd to release it, won't!
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14:05.11DocScrutinizerTAsn: that's clearly an issue you need to decide from a system-design-goal POV
14:05.41TAsnDocScrutinizer, do you agree with my design suggestion?
14:08.08DocScrutinizerdunno about the general picture. If I were to implement e.g. flightmode, I'd disable all RF resources via policy. If I was to implement a simple "disable GSM as user don't need it ATM" I'd rather signal poneapp to free resource
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14:11.07TAsnDocScrutinizer, hm.. I'm not sure about that.
14:11.30CIA-52openmoko: 03werner * r5405 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (14 files): (log message trimmed)
14:11.30CIA-52openmoko: - to simplify communication between the various modules, renamed "ctx" to
14:11.30CIA-52openmoko:  draw_ctx, moved it to gui_util.c, and made it a global variable
14:11.30CIA-52openmoko: - moved drawing logic for hovering and dragging into dedicated state machine
14:11.31CIA-52openmoko:  in gui_over.c
14:11.33CIA-52openmoko: - hovering now uses a pixmap to restore the background instead of redrawing
14:11.35CIA-52openmoko: - moved hover drawing functions from gui_inst.c to gui_tools.c
14:12.39DocScrutinizerTAsn: disabling GSM via policy e.g. also tears down GPRS implicitly. That might not be exactly what user meant when "stopping phone app"
14:13.25TAsnthere's no proper way to register to network and disable only phone call
14:13.30TAsns
14:13.32TAsnfor that you'll have to implement a service.
14:14.00DocScrutinizerTAsn: I'm aware of that. Just mentioning
14:14.29TAsnand for the current uses
14:14.40TAsnophonekitd resource handling is plain bad :)
14:17.27CIA-52openmoko: 03werner * r5406 10/trunk/eda/fped/README: (log message trimmed)
14:17.27CIA-52openmoko: This introduction was missing in the previous commit:
14:17.27CIA-52openmoko:  For the new measurements, we need more flexible canvas markup options. This
14:17.27CIA-52openmoko:  includes the thicker circle for hovering.
14:17.27CIA-52openmoko:  To generalize hovering, we can't rely on redrawing alone but need to use a
14:17.30CIA-52openmoko:  pixmap to store the background as well. This creates a complex interaction
14:17.32CIA-52openmoko:  with dragging, which the existing code cannot handle cleanly.
14:18.37dos1DocScrutinizer: disabling GSM == disabling GPRS, i think it's obvious :o
14:18.53DocScrutinizerTAsn: basically we'd need a means to handle (off|auto|on) resource policy for all resources same way we got it now for GPS
14:19.10dos1DocScrutinizer: but GPS isn't perfect
14:19.23TAsndos1, I think he meant GSM
14:19.27dos1DocScrutinizer: you can't disable GPS with Manual switch when some GPS app already requested resource
14:19.57dos1that's being smarter than user for me :P
14:20.01DocScrutinizersure, that's correct behaviour
14:20.16DocScrutinizeron some resources at least
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14:21.05dos1DocScrutinizer: if I (user) want to disable GPS competely, then i don't care about other apps
14:21.38dos1DocScrutinizer: i'm setting manual - > disabled, and GPS shouldn't be powered up at all, until i switch it back to auto or manual/on
14:21.55DocScrutinizeryep, agree
14:22.23DocScrutinizershould be handled by fso correctly via resource_available signal
14:23.25DocScrutinizerif you set to manual & off, fsousaged should signal all owners of that resource that it became unavailable
14:24.08DocScrutinizeris wondering if this is missing in fsoraw...
14:24.21TAsnDocScrutinizer, sure it is.
14:24.25TAsn:)
14:24.28TAsnthis is just a guess
14:24.40TAsnthough it's probably a correct guess.
14:25.03DocScrutinizeri.e. fsoraw needs to listen to resources becoming unavailable and signal this condition to child app
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14:57.04kos_tomhello
14:57.16kos_tomI have a completely dead OpenMoko in terms of battery.
14:57.34kos_tomI have a PC + USB cable, or a USB wall charger (not OpenMoko original ones) that is said to deliver 500mA.
14:57.53kos_tomand even with the wall charger the AUX button + plug trick (to go into the NOR u-boot) doesn't work
14:58.24kos_tomthe best I can get is a black screen and low beep sounds every 15-20 seconds
14:58.31kos_tomany clue what this sound is ?
14:58.57max_posedonboot neo without battery
14:59.18kos_tomwhich procedure exactly ? (I already tried without battery)
14:59.36kos_tomaux button, then plug ? plug and then aux + power ? on PC ? on wall charger ?
14:59.38max_posedon1. remove battery
14:59.53kos_tom(the Wiki says that some Neo can boot without battery, some can't)
15:00.06max_posedon2 press aux
15:00.20max_posedon3 insert power
15:00.27kos_tomwhich power ?
15:00.32max_posedon4 release aux only now
15:00.36max_posedonany
15:00.58max_posedonthen aux+power boot your neo
15:00.59kos_tomI've already tried this about 100 times. But I'll try just because you're asking.
15:01.23max_posedonbut don't try do it with windows on Pc
15:01.39kos_tomI'm on Ubuntu
15:01.59max_posedonshould be ok
15:02.29kos_tomthe only thing I have with your procedure is "bip bip bip bip" when aux and power are pressed. And then "bip <10 secs> bip <10 secs> bip" afterwards.
15:03.20kos_tomas I said, the OM wiki states that some Neo can't boot without battery.
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15:03.59max_posedonit really looks like that your have 100mA, try with wall-charger
15:04.30max_posedonyou shouldn't always trust wiki)
15:12.06kos_tommax_posedon: same behaviour on wall charger (but again, it's not the official moko wall charger... i'm on holidays and I don't have it)
15:12.23kos_tomi have these strange beeps.
15:12.27DocScrutinizerI never heard abut any beeping sound on bot .oO(???)
15:13.07kos_tomit's not like a high "bip", rather a low-frequency short sound
15:13.09max_posedonDocScrutinizer, I heard smth similar to bip
15:13.11DocScrutinizeryay, abOut, boOt
15:13.28DocScrutinizerchrrrk??
15:13.41max_posedonwhen I tried this` with windows`
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15:14.06max_posedonwhich gives only 100mA, yes, may be)
15:14.15kos_tommax_posedon: I don't know how the wall charger behaves. Maybe it is very smart and only delivers 100mA until the device negociates 500mA.
15:14.27DocScrutinizerno, won't
15:14.38badcloud_I've managed to charge mine just fine using windows xp
15:14.44DocScrutinizerthis type of smart wallcharger is unknown
15:15.04kos_tombadcloud_: it's not about charging. It's about booting a completely discharged neo. Which is different.
15:15.43max_posedonbadcloud_, charging easy, booting without battery complicated
15:15.51DocScrutinizergenerally using PC for powersource is deprecated in troubled situations, as it's rather complex with ENUM and what the particular USB-host hardware will act like
15:15.58badcloud_ah
15:16.08kos_tomi've ordered a nokia-compatible battery charger... but it isn't going to arrive before ~2 weeks. So right at the end of my holidays, while I planned to do a lot of OpenStreetMap mapping with the Neo during my holidays.
15:16.44max_posedonkos_tom, I hope you really trying do it with removed! battery
15:16.46kos_tommax_posedon: so I'm sorry, but the procedure your recommend doesn't work for me :-(
15:17.03kos_tommax_posedon: yes the battery is removed. Do you want me to take a video of me doing the procedure ?
15:17.52max_posedonits very strange), no sorry, I not able see it in a bus with neo)
15:19.14max_posedonsocial, try find some nokia battery near you
15:19.36max_posedon*so*
15:19.55kos_tomI have Nokia batteries, but not compatible ones :-(
15:20.29kos_tominterestingly, the beep volume is higher when plugged on the wallcharger than when plugged into the pc.
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15:21.29lindi-kos_tom: can you record a sample?
15:21.56DocScrutinizerremove battery 1) hold AUX. 2)insert WALLCHARGER. 3) [press power for 1sec. maybe not needed] 4) release AUX. IF you get NOR bootmenu, you got a "good" device. IF you don't see any reaction, you got a device with "can't boot without charged bat" issue - no way to work around it
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15:22.49kos_tomDocScrutinizer: interestingly in the past, I also got discharged battery (maybe not completely, but at least enough to prevent boot), and the official Moko wallcharger always solved the situation.
15:22.50lindi-DocScrutinizer: can this test damage the phone?
15:23.21max_posedonDocScrutinizer, it isnt enough test
15:23.45DocScrutinizerlindi-: not GTA02. But very easily GTA01 (for which this test procedure / issue doesn't apply anyway)
15:23.50max_posedonhe need some power resource which gave 500mA
15:24.31DocScrutinizermax_posedon: ""... 2)insert WALLCHARGER. "" A wallcharger is supposed to always deliver >= 500mA
15:24.55DocScrutinizerand I referred to original OM wallcharger btw
15:25.42DocScrutinizerresult of above test isn't evalueted on a broad number of non-OM wallchargers and devices
15:26.05max_posedonok
15:26.14lindi-one result is that the RTC resets :P
15:26.39lindi-which kills my long-term monitoring efforts of RTC drifting
15:26.42DocScrutinizerlindi-: lol. Yep usually, as our bupbat is crap
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15:28.31DocScrutinizerlindi-: see it this way: It's a lucky incidence PMU will reset then as well, which is fixing any deadlock due to hazardous settings of PMU MBC which might lead to a can't charge deadlock
15:29.19lindi-DocScrutinizer: speaking of which, do all neo RTC's drift at the same rate?
15:29.51DocScrutinizerlindi-: no idea. No comprehensive tests being done wrt this
15:30.15lindi-DocScrutinizer: i did some tests and posted results and test script ages ago i think
15:30.46DocScrutinizerack, I remember. But those tests were on a small number of DUT
15:30.57lindi-here the scaling factor is 16299/16298
15:31.09lindi-(RTC runs faster than realtime)
15:32.19DocScrutinizerwhich is somewhat exactly what I expected, as usually you "pull" the correct freq of the XTAL by a parallel C-trimmer
15:32.51DocScrutinizerif that is missing, freq usually is off direction +
15:34.08Slaxxedtom tom automobile charger works
15:35.24Slaxxedbooting to nor always worked for me
15:35.54kos_tomSlaxxed: huum, I have one of these.
15:36.06kos_tomSlaxxed: do you boot with or without battery ?
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15:41.44kos_tomSlaxxed: my tomtom car charger says that it can deliver 2A
15:41.50kos_tomstill no luck, same behaviour as before.
15:45.49DocScrutinizerkos_tom: you obviously got an A5 or early/wacky A6. If it doesn't work as I described above, then it never will until U get a hw-fix
15:46.42kos_tomI have a A6.
15:46.57kos_tomso the only solution is an external battery charger, or a replacement battery, right ?
15:48.25kos_tomany pointer to a seller of such a battery charger ?
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15:52.46DocScrutinizerkos_tom: see wiki. Yes, you need some way to boot the device to enable charging, and you obviously need a little charge in any bat to boot
15:53.32kos_tomDocScrutinizer: the wiki doesn't provide any useful link.
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15:54.51DocScrutinizernot for chargers, that's correct. You may get *any* cheap second source charger that claims to be compliant to nokia BL-5C
15:58.12DocScrutinizerkos_tom: or you find someone who has a classic-style nokia power supply (the one with barrel connector and writing " output DC 5.7V, 500(..800)mA"
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15:59.24DocScrutinizerthen get 2 paperclips and connect plus of bat to inner tube contact and minus of bat to outer ring contact of the charger for ~2..5min
16:00.03kos_tomDocScrutinizer: yeah, but finding "*any* cheap second source charger that claims to be compliant to nokia BL-5C" is hard :)
16:00.21DocScrutinizerthis nasty hack should restore enough charge to bat to boot Neo
16:00.39DocScrutinizerkos_tom: huh? why?
16:00.55kos_tomDocScrutinizer: give a link :-)
16:01.17DocScrutinizerkos_tom: I'm not google
16:01.41kos_tomDocScrutinizer: i'm already googling, of course.
16:02.03mwesterhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-BL-5C-BL5C-N70-N71-E60-N91_W0QQitemZ170361358645QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item27aa540935&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
16:02.34mwesterand thousands of others...
16:02.52CIA-52freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re808af241340 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala): libfsobasics: logger: add Logger.createFromKeyFileName( filename, domain )
16:03.11mwesterI also bought a spare bl5c battery, because it was cheap and works in the gta01 (and gta02 with the right patches and kernel)
16:03.34DocScrutinizerkos_tom: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/desktop-battery-charger-and-spare-battery-nokia-bl-5c-compatible-p17478.htm
16:03.50DocScrutinizerkos_tom: please transfer 5$ for consulting to my account
16:03.58kos_tomDocScrutinizer: thanks, will do :)
16:04.33DocScrutinizerk, make that 10 bucks then
16:04.40DocScrutinizer:-/
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16:50.56PaulFertserdos1: just at the moment the most democratic russian radio station ("Echo of Moscow") discusses Katyn in an interactive 1h program.
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17:15.35roolyoy
17:15.39roolyscrew qtopia all together
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17:28.49Chockyhaha
17:28.55Chockyrooly: what happened?
17:28.58roolyoh
17:28.59roolywell
17:29.00roolysee
17:29.14roolyi tried to use the old qt4.3.2 with the 2.6.28 kernel/modules
17:29.20roolyand qi
17:29.20Chockyfail.
17:29.21roolyhowever
17:29.40roolyi forgot that they recently moved pretty much the entire FR hardware subsystem out of /sys
17:29.52Chockyyes, that QT is way too olds
17:29.53Chocky-s
17:29.53roolywhich qt 4.3.2 relies on
17:30.03roolyso
17:30.23roolyno battery, no power-button, no aux-button, no led's, no screen brightness
17:30.48roolyno now i'm throwing hackable:1 on here to see how it likes it
17:31.06roolyi'm just testing every distro i can find to fill in the interim until i finish mah ownz
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17:44.21Chockyone distro to rooly the world
17:44.35roolythat is absolutely right
17:44.44roolycause i rock
17:45.41dos1SHR - probably the best distro in the world (C) :P
17:45.52Chocky(so far)
17:46.18lindi-dos1: you use it somewhere else than neo too?
17:46.42dos1lindi-: no, i have only neo :P
17:47.02lindi-doesn't sound very portable or generally usable then :)
17:47.29roolydoes something count as portable when you pretty much have to re-write the entire thing?
17:48.04lindi-nope :)
17:48.45roolyso out the window goes android
17:51.21lindi-rooly: is android even able to build itself?
17:51.29roolyiunno
17:51.40roolythe koolu guys seem to have it working
17:51.57roolythey claim it's useable as a daily phone
17:51.58lindi-rooly: i meant that do you need some other distro to build android
17:52.05roolyoh, i do believe you do
17:52.24roolyi haven't looked into downloading the source code
17:53.08rooly...not particularly interested...
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17:57.55[Rui]hi
17:58.14[Rui]is anyone else's SHR's enlightenment crashing on trying to change the background?
17:58.42Q-Masterx11-16 engine?
17:58.46[Rui]yes
17:58.53Q-Masterit's ok
17:59.02[Rui]I don't even get to access the preferences
17:59.14Q-Masterswitch to x11 engine, change bg, then change it back to x11-16
17:59.24Q-Masterx11-16 still suxx
17:59.25[Rui]wrench -> Look -> click theme or wallpaper or anything and it crsahes
17:59.31[Rui]Q-Master: ok, thanks for the work-around
17:59.43Q-Master[Rui]: Np
17:59.52roolydoesn't even know what x11-16 is
18:00.02roolyis it a 16bit color scheme or something?
18:02.18Q-Master16bit depth engine
18:02.22dos1rooly: it's 16bit engine with disabled smooth-scaling
18:02.28dos1rooly: which makes everything faster
18:02.28roolyoic
18:02.57roolyhas anyone else failed at getting the nEo theme working?
18:03.02roolycan't seem to manage it
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18:08.48roolycan't quite depend on shr
18:08.59roolysince i have to keep deleting my sms's
18:13.31lindi-rooly: cronjob
18:13.46roolyOR
18:14.03roolythey could store the over-populated sms's into some kind of db or folder
18:14.09roolyyou know
18:14.14roolylike every other phone ever made does it
18:15.38frankS2"look at me, im so popular, getting all that SMS"
18:17.35roolyhey
18:17.38roolywhat time is ust atm?
18:17.48frankS2Sat Aug  8 20:17:02 CEST 2009
18:17.51frankS2-6 hours
18:18.03roolyokay
18:18.16frankS2whattimeisit.com
18:18.50roolyhmm
18:19.00roolydate -s is hhmmddMMYYYY.ss?
18:19.22roolyor is it MMddhhmm
18:19.26roolyi think its the latter
18:19.41Chockyfail.  use yyyymmdd in ISO format, so it sorts properly
18:20.06roolydate -s will tell the difference?
18:21.38roolyneverminds
18:21.45roolyjust had to set the time zone
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18:39.09Kerois the alarm application supposed to do anything?
18:39.44KeroSHR, I can setan alarm. but nothing happens at the specified time...
18:40.19Q-MasterKero: same here
18:41.13roolyis about to implement better US contact lookup in paroli
18:41.45roolyi can share my modification if anybody likes
18:41.54roolywon't help anyone but the half-dozen us owners
18:41.57roolyand me
18:43.02KeroQ-Master: and then I'm not even trying to suspend my Neo...
18:43.26roolywonders what the method to aquire one's own phone number is
18:43.35roolydoes anybody know it?
18:44.29SpeedEvilrooly: ring someone?
18:44.32roolyno
18:44.33SpeedEvilthere is a GSM way
18:44.37roolyi mean programattically
18:44.40roolyi know that you can
18:44.43roolyi just wonder what it is
18:44.44SpeedEvilat+CNUM?
18:44.47SpeedEvil?
18:44.55roolyfso-style
18:44.56SpeedEvilat+CNUM=
18:44.59SpeedEvilah
18:46.06rooly's just that there are 5 different lookups one might use
18:47.09roolynum, 1+num, num[1:], num[3:], and AREA_CODE+num
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18:50.08roolyactually...
18:50.19roolyalso 1+AREA_CODE+num
18:50.20CIA-52openmoko: 03werner * r5407 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files):
18:50.20CIA-52openmoko: New-style measurements are coming to the GUI soon !
18:50.20CIA-52openmoko: - moved measurement operations from gui_tools.c to new file gui_meas.c
18:50.20CIA-52openmoko: - added support for creating new-style measurements through the GUI
18:50.20CIA-52openmoko: - the offset is optional in new-style expressions
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18:58.04roolyokay
18:58.08roolynow to see if it works...
18:58.15roolyis pretty sure it will
18:58.18roolykinda a small hack
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19:01.47CIA-52openmoko: 03werner * r5408 10/trunk/eda/fped/gui_canvas.c:
19:01.47CIA-52openmoko: - zoom and center changed the coordinate system and did a redraw while
19:01.48CIA-52openmoko:  hovering, upsetting the overlays
19:03.06Slaxxedhacked
19:03.13roolyokay
19:03.14roolyso
19:03.16roolyit crashed
19:03.19roolycause
19:03.21roolyi forgot
19:03.22rooly:
19:03.23rooly...
19:04.03roolyi only had a hack for the area code portion
19:04.52roolyso now should i dial something like '3658300' it'll perform a lookup on 3658300, 13658300, 3373658300, 13373658300, 658300, and 8300
19:06.36roolywtf
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19:06.42roolyits not tuesday september 8th...
19:12.54roolyokay
19:12.55roolyit works
19:16.37roolyokay
19:16.39roolyso
19:16.42roolyanyone want the mod?
19:22.29Slaxxedopkg maybe?
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19:23.33Slaxxedput it on your user page/
19:23.36Slaxxed?
19:23.36lindi-[
19:23.38lindi-whoops
19:23.43Slaxxed)
19:23.56roolynah
19:24.27Slaxxedlatest shr good?
19:24.54roolysure
19:25.05roolyis using it with paroli, mind you
19:25.10roolysince that was the easiest to modify
19:26.10Slaxxedwhat did u make?
19:27.58roolymeh
19:28.08roolyjust a few string modifiers
19:28.13roolyand an if-else structure
19:28.26roolyparoli looks for numbers via string
19:28.32roolylike i figured it would
19:28.36roolyso
19:28.59roolyso lets say you have an incoming sms from the number 1-222-333-4444
19:29.08roolybut you only have it stored in your phone as 333-4444
19:29.47roolyit would trigger the modifier that looks for the contact with '12223334444'[3:]
19:30.18roolyif none can be found, it returns None still
19:30.40roolyor say you dial the number 863-5309
19:30.54roolybut it's stored in your phone as 1238635309
19:31.16roolythen it activates the modifier '123'+'8635309'
19:31.30roolyi don't have a method implemented to browse your local area code
19:31.44roolybecause that is the preferred method for local number lookup
19:31.50roolyits mostly just a static value
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19:36.10Slaxxedkos_tom     i think if u put the charger on for 5-10 minuits then boot to nor ,it should boot  with that tom-tom charger
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19:45.52kos_tomSlaxxed: I'm not sure because it seems that if the battery is really empty, it doesn't boot U-Boot, so the charging circuit is too enabled, preventing from charging the battery.
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19:46.42roolykos_tom: you'll need to set it on the wall charger for 2-3 hours minimum
19:46.53roolyand attempt a boot after that
19:47.01roolyyou'll be able to get a minimal trickle charge
19:47.04roolymaybe 3-5%
19:47.23roolyenough to turn on the phone
19:48.04roolykos_tom: it'd be wise to invest in getting backup nokia batteries
19:48.23roolyBL-4C, BL-5C, and BL-6C
19:48.40Slaxxedor an old nokia phone that the charger still works on
19:49.32Slaxxedtry booting to nor with the battery in an charger plugged in
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20:23.01Ddordawhich browser is the best on OM?
20:25.18Ddordaor the most common used?
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20:46.01Ddordais it possible to run openmoko under a virtualbox?
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22:41.09Slaxxerthe  screen is changes but i get a white screen
22:41.26Slaxxerchanged
22:42.46Slaxxermaybe i broke me nor
22:43.13roolyouch
22:43.15roolythat'd be fun
22:43.17roolyto break nor
22:43.51PaulFertserSlaxxer: how could you break nor?
22:44.37roolyharumph
22:44.43roolyi'm gonna be stuck here for hours it seems
22:44.53roolyis dl-ing and installing a large chunk of opkg.org
22:44.55Chockyyou bring it upon yourself, you know that, right?
22:44.59roolygprs
22:45.05Chockyrooly = glutton for punishment
22:45.18Chockyit's ok, I'm one too
22:45.19roolyi do believe that's the dictionary definition
22:45.22roolyi mean
22:45.27roolyrooly.com sells snow gear
22:45.44roolycan't be much farther from the truth that self masochist
22:47.51Slaxxerwell i took a screen from a working v6 an put it on a v5 an it white screens from the start
22:48.13Slaxxerput it back on the v6 an it works
22:48.17rooly?
22:48.19roolythat's odd
22:48.35roolyone might swear its the same hardware
22:48.39Slaxxerthere must be some difference  hence v5-v6:)
22:48.58roolythe v5/v6 difference is the gps/uSD fix
22:49.22Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
22:51.04roolySlaxxer:
22:51.17Slaxxerbut in the process i think i figured out whats up with the gps on this other one
22:51.28roolyi was thinking about modifying the paroli dialer app to use google voice
22:51.41Slaxxerantenea shorting on the motherboard
22:52.51roolywhadaya think slax
22:52.54Slaxxerthen what?
22:52.59roolyerr
22:53.02roolyiunno
22:53.27PaulFertserSlaxxer: on the main board? Shorted by what?
22:53.40Slaxxerthe upper module
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22:53.57roolywhat about you PaulFertser
22:53.59Slaxxerwhere the extension wire is soldered
22:54.09roolythink i should implement google voice into the paroli dialer?
22:54.45Slaxxercontacts the metal on the motherboard where it was over heated/soldered
22:55.01PaulFertserrooly: google voice? i doubt it, i don't like technologies coming from google in general.
22:56.23PaulFertserSlaxxer: there's a coaxial wire soldered to the antenna PCB, on the other end of it is a special RF plug.
22:57.23PaulFertserSlaxxer: hence i can't understand what you're talking about.
22:58.36Slaxxerantenna PCB where the wire is soldered to it
22:59.13Slaxxeri just ground  the excess solder  off of it
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23:00.42PaulFertserSlaxxer: you can't break nor by changing LCM.
23:01.29Slaxxerwell  there was no boot menu only a white screen,, maybe the ribbon was set incorrectly
23:11.45ndnihilis there a pkg-config package available for shr?
23:12.03ndnihilwell, rather, has anyone seen a pkg-config package that will work there, as there obviously isn't one just for shr
23:12.29ndnihilgot perl-tk compiled and working, now it's time for Net::DBus :)
23:13.49ndnihilooh, angstrom might have one
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23:14.08ndnihiloh, and so does shr....
23:14.13ndnihilpkgconfig, instead of pkg-config
23:14.13roolygood job
23:14.21ndnihilI win the prize!
23:14.27roolyis downloading most of opkg.org atm
23:14.35roolyWITH a working swap, i might add
23:14.51ndnihilswap seemed to slow mine down more than help it
23:14.55Ddordawhich browser is the best on OM? or the most common used?
23:15.06ndnihildillo is good if you dont need java/javascript
23:15.11ndnihilnice and fast
23:15.23roolyDdorda: woosh is tweaked for the FR's screen so said
23:15.27roolywebkit
23:15.33roolyso you get a full javascript engine
23:15.43roolyminimo is available
23:15.50roolyfor the mozilla lovers out there
23:16.08roolyit crashes in some specific cases that only seem to apply to me tho...
23:16.20Ddordafennec works fine?
23:17.17roolyhaven't tried it
23:17.21roolythanks for informing me
23:17.27roolywhy don't you download and build it
23:17.29roolyfr can do compiles
23:17.42ndnihilslowly
23:17.43ndnihil:)
23:17.51roolybut surely
23:18.03roolyonly takes an hour.5 to compile a 1.5mb binary so
23:18.30ndnihilmine is compiling Net::DBus at this very moment
23:18.56ndnihilit helps if you stop the X server when doing so
23:19.02ndnihilfrees up some resources
23:19.05roolyyer
23:19.12roolyunless you have 300 MB of swap
23:19.16roolythen...well
23:19.22roolyonly thing happens is you speed up
23:19.46ndnihilor slowed down in my case
23:20.00ndnihilbut I was trying use the uSD card for other things at the same time
23:20.05ndnihilbus got clogged
23:20.07roolyyeah
23:20.12roolyusually does that
23:20.43ndnihilwow, Net::DBus compiled proper first time through
23:21.04ndnihilI guess after setting it up for one perl module, the rest fall into place
23:21.05Ddordarooly: can i have link for that browser?
23:21.10ndnihilopkg.org
23:21.21roolywoosh?
23:21.26roolyints in your repository
23:21.33roolyopkg update && opkg install woosh
23:21.59Ddordarooly: i'm not using OM yet (i get it next week)
23:22.04Ddordajust want to see the browser
23:22.14roolylemme go find it
23:22.24Ddordathanks
23:22.41roolyhttp://www.opkg.org/package_215.html
23:22.56[Rui]robster: I made a woosh package which loads an url
23:22.58[Rui]from cli
23:23.03[Rui]so you can integrate with other apps
23:23.35[Rui]Since elmdentica uses it, it's at its repo. http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/ marcus bauer is taking so looook to make a woosh repo :|
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23:40.57Slaxxerim assuming that the special rf plug for the gps antenea is insulated from ground
23:42.14Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:42.31Slaxxerdefective plug?
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23:44.37SpeedEvilwhat are you trying to do?
23:45.05SpeedEvilhte internal GPS antenna?
23:45.46Slaxxeryea
23:46.13SpeedEvilThere should be - from the internal circuitry - some 2.8V or so normally across it
23:46.41SpeedEvilmeasuring continuity with an ohmeter - I'm not really sure what you'd measure on the antenna side.
23:46.45Slaxxeri guess  i could get a externel 1 an dissconnect the internel 1 to test
23:46.52SpeedEvilwhat are you trying to do?
23:48.05Slaxxerwell i purchased this v6 from sdg systems an   the gps   wont work  
23:48.20Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:48.34Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:48.48SpeedEvilWhat capacity of v6?
23:48.57SpeedEvilAnd is it fuel injected or carburetted?
23:49.01Slaxxerso i changed the screen but it   stayed white
23:49.53Slaxxeri put the screen back on the v6 freerunner  an all is well except  the gps dont work
23:50.10Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:50.38SpeedEviloh
23:50.49Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:50.59SpeedEvilMy first attempt would be to try an external GPS.
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23:51.16SpeedEvilYou've tried to get a lock outside?
23:51.27SpeedEvilsome sorts of windows can block the GPS signal.
23:51.54Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:52.16SpeedEvilThe GPS communicates - just no response?
23:52.29SpeedEvillock
23:52.34Slaxxeri get D3
23:52.44Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
23:52.50Slaxxer<PROTECTED>
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23:54.39SpeedEvilyou've had it outside, with a clear view of the sky, for over 12 mins?
23:55.08SpeedEvilOh
23:55.14SpeedEvilalso - withe a recent image
23:55.31SpeedEvilsome images were screwed up and uploading bogons to the chip as position information - which screwed it up
23:56.00Slaxxerwhich image is good?
23:56.20SpeedEvildunno
23:56.25SpeedEvilI've not been keeping up
23:56.42SpeedEvilSHR unstable has had good reports generally over the past weeks
23:57.09Slaxxeri think 0721 is whats on here
23:58.16Slaxxeri think the coaxial cable is fried
23:58.33Slaxxerits stiff 1/2 the way up
23:59.38Slaxxeri think i will dissconnect it an use an external  one to test
23:59.50Slaxxeri bet it works

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