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| 01:15.41 | Mortak | hi |
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| 03:44.45 | drascus321 | question: in the SHR-unstable images which images do I want |
| 03:45.34 | Slaxxer | .jffs2 |
| 03:46.05 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.30 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.49 | frankS2_ | anyone tried the OM2009? |
| 03:46.52 | frankS2_ | how usable is it? |
| 03:47.01 | Slaxxer | if u are flashing a freerunner |
| 03:47.02 | drascus321 | so should I just pick the latest ones? |
| 03:47.37 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.05 | Slaxxer | im using 0721 i think |
| 03:48.36 | drascus321 | and 0721 is working for ya? |
| 03:48.57 | Slaxxer | mostly but my gps is broken |
| 03:49.08 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.15 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.41 | Slaxxer | i purchased it for the screen only |
| 03:50.12 | frankS2_ | really? |
| 03:50.12 | frankS2_ | why |
| 03:50.30 | Slaxxer | fixing to take a razor blade to the 2 sided tape |
| 03:51.03 | Slaxxer | i broke my screen thats why |
| 03:51.07 | frankS2_ | ok |
| 03:51.34 | Slaxxer | im just using this one foe time being |
| 03:51.37 | drascus321 | OK so I am downloading ubifs.img and .jffs2 and what .bin are you using? |
| 03:51.55 | Slaxxer | latest for me |
| 03:51.56 | drascus321 | sorry for the questions i am a noob to the freerunner |
| 03:52.12 | drascus321 | so your using latest.bin? |
| 03:52.18 | Slaxxer | i dont have a ubifs at all |
| 03:52.39 | Slaxxer | .jffs2 an .bin |
| 03:52.41 | drascus321 | really? well I am changing over from android so I figured i would need it |
| 03:52.55 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.26 | Slaxxer | :) |
| 03:54.06 | Slaxxer | i must be a very old noob |
| 03:55.55 | drascus321 | I think it's the bootloader |
| 03:59.13 | Slaxxer | Qi |
| 04:00.24 | drascus321 | but your right i might not need it |
| 04:12.59 | Slaxxer | so u need to try neovento maybe |
| 04:13.26 | Slaxxer | all these choices |
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| 04:33.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5391 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:33.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - undelete after recursive delete now brings back everything deleted in that |
| 04:33.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: operation, not just one object at a time |
| 04:33.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - vector reference counting is not needed now that we have recursive delete. |
| 04:33.53 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Removed it. |
| 04:33.57 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - completed recursive delete of vectors |
| 04:33.59 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - gridify: give new vectors a minimum length, so that we don't get a weird |
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| 04:56.55 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5392 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (dump.c fped.c obj.h): |
| 04:56.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - dumping now labels all vectors, even those we only reference as . |
| 04:56.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - dump objects only after all the vectors they reference have been dumped |
| 04:56.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - instead of relying on clever algorithms to dump each object only once, just |
| 04:56.56 | CIA-52 | openmoko: mark them |
| 04:56.58 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - left "dump" enabled in "main", oops |
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| 05:21.51 | drascus321 | wow this thing is a little harder to flash then i though |
| 05:21.55 | drascus321 | thought* |
| 05:30.48 | tobii_ | what thing? |
| 05:31.21 | drascus321 | neo |
| 05:35.05 | doc|home | drascus321: look for neotool |
| 05:35.08 | doc|home | makes it easier |
| 05:35.22 | drascus321 | that is what I am using i |
| 05:35.26 | doc|home | oh |
| 05:35.28 | doc|home | heh |
| 05:35.40 | drascus321 | it's just that last time i tried to flash it I got some sort of error |
| 05:35.40 | doc|home | then you're missing the worst part :) |
| 05:35.48 | drascus321 | heh probably |
| 05:36.45 | drascus321 | just hope I don't turn my new phone into a brick lol |
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| 05:45.08 | tobii_ | what kind of errors? |
| 05:45.31 | drascus321 | i think I got it now |
| 05:46.10 | drascus321 | for some reason it just didn't want to flash rootfs and the kernel at the same time when I flashed them seperate it seemed to work |
| 05:46.22 | rooly | ... |
| 05:46.26 | rooly | wait wait wait |
| 05:46.31 | rooly | you tried what? |
| 05:47.03 | ndnihil | heh, I think what he's talking about is when das uboot times out |
| 05:47.13 | ndnihil | it doesnt let you do another flash unless you do it fairly quickly |
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| 05:47.19 | rooly | OH |
| 05:47.20 | rooly | okay |
| 05:47.25 | rooly | about to say |
| 05:47.48 | ndnihil | faster than you can type the dfu-util +args, so keep it available for pasting :) |
| 05:47.55 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:48.05 | rooly | only if your using ksh |
| 05:48.11 | rooly | ...with no tabbing |
| 05:48.21 | drascus321 | ok well either way it's working now |
| 05:48.25 | drascus321 | trial and error |
| 05:48.46 | drascus321 | what's better illum or illum SHR |
| 05:48.55 | rooly | sudo dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D Desktop/OpenMoko/image_rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:48.56 | ndnihil | both are equally brutal :) |
| 05:49.00 | drascus321 | lol |
| 05:49.03 | rooly | lol |
| 05:49.15 | rooly | drascus321: illumeshr gives you a digital clock in the top bar |
| 05:49.26 | rooly | illume gives you a clock face |
| 05:49.30 | rooly | main difference |
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| 05:50.27 | ndnihil | not quite on topic, but linux'y, zoneminder rocks |
| 05:50.36 | rooly | does it now |
| 05:50.41 | ndnihil | indeed it does |
| 05:50.46 | rooly | does it mind the zones? |
| 05:50.50 | ndnihil | it does! |
| 05:50.59 | rooly | interesting |
| 05:51.11 | ndnihil | http://www.zoneminder.com |
| 05:51.25 | rooly | oh |
| 05:51.27 | rooly | i see |
| 05:51.34 | rooly | skynet |
| 05:52.35 | ndnihil | ive got this 4 input video capture card in a micro-itx/embedded case |
| 05:52.50 | ndnihil | its a cheap one, so with most apps you can only see one input at a time |
| 05:52.56 | ndnihil | via channels 0-3 |
| 05:53.32 | rooly | but not zoneminder |
| 05:53.32 | ndnihil | zoneminder switches between them fast enough to give you an effective 3-4fps viewing all 4 inputs, via web interface |
| 05:53.33 | ndnihil | and there's very little lag |
| 05:53.36 | ndnihil | aside from low framerate jumpiness |
| 05:53.40 | rooly | ic |
| 05:53.43 | rooly | so it's a hack |
| 05:53.49 | rooly | but a useful one |
| 05:53.53 | ndnihil | yes, and a usefule one |
| 05:53.54 | ndnihil | er |
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| 05:53.55 | ndnihil | useful |
| 05:53.56 | ndnihil | :) |
| 05:54.21 | ndnihil | I can watch the security cameras on my phone |
| 05:54.31 | ndnihil | though midori sucks, and dillo doesnt do javascript |
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| 06:00.35 | drascus321 | wow SHR is quite nice I am very impressed |
| 06:01.14 | rooly | is too |
| 06:01.23 | rooly | it handles gprs well |
| 06:01.33 | rooly | but the sms app sucks |
| 06:02.02 | ndnihil | if only this thing were treated as an embedded device instead of a laptop... |
| 06:02.11 | drascus321 | oh i haven't tried that yet |
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| 06:02.19 | rooly | ndnihil: qtmoko |
| 06:02.24 | rooly | but it crashes too much |
| 06:02.37 | ndnihil | I tried it |
| 06:02.46 | ndnihil | too buggy |
| 06:03.06 | rooly | i agree |
| 06:03.20 | rooly | decided to write his own equivalent to qtmoko |
| 06:03.23 | rooly | but using gtk |
| 06:03.51 | ndnihil | I'm thinking a nice clean/light debian install, a single low-footprint daemon to handle phone comm (fuck dbus), a fast/light wm, and a simple perl+gtk gui for phone stuff |
| 06:04.23 | ndnihil | leaving all those resources left over to play numptyphysics |
| 06:04.23 | drascus321 | is it easy to install opkg stuff ? |
| 06:04.23 | rooly | okay, well, close |
| 06:04.24 | rooly | drascus321: for the most part, yeah |
| 06:04.32 | rooly | however, you *might* want to stop x before you do |
| 06:04.54 | rooly | ndnihil: i was actually thinking of dumping x all together |
| 06:05.10 | ndnihil | eek, that would kinda suck for using other existing apps no? |
| 06:05.17 | rooly | a little |
| 06:05.23 | rooly | and porting raster's keyboard to wx |
| 06:05.43 | rooly | or maybe writing my own keyboard like his |
| 06:05.54 | rooly | dictionary lookup shouldn't be too difficult |
| 06:06.03 | rooly | ndnihil: tangogps would still work |
| 06:06.06 | rooly | mofi |
| 06:06.14 | ndnihil | ugh, you actually like predictive txt? |
| 06:06.24 | rooly | ndnihil: i text while i drive quite alot |
| 06:06.29 | ndnihil | I abhor it |
| 06:06.44 | ndnihil | and you shouldnt txt and drive |
| 06:06.49 | ndnihil | when you're driving, you should be driving |
| 06:06.59 | ndnihil | (sorry, I'm a car guy at heart) |
| 06:07.14 | rooly | we can discuss the merits of my activities that won't change, or those of a keyboard that suits me |
| 06:07.45 | ndnihil | the only kb I use is the terminal one |
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| 06:07.56 | rooly | besides, i have gigantic fingers... |
| 06:07.58 | ndnihil | which I quite like |
| 06:08.04 | rooly | i like it too |
| 06:08.07 | ndnihil | me too, I use a stylus for everything |
| 06:08.10 | rooly | for terminal and web operation |
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| 06:08.26 | ndnihil | I can do calls by finger |
| 06:08.31 | ndnihil | and suspend/shutdown/etc... |
| 06:08.38 | rooly | oh yes |
| 06:08.45 | rooly | 's why those buttons are sized as such |
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| 06:09.21 | rooly | ndnihil: i also plan on at least partial integration of google voice into the app |
| 06:09.32 | ndnihil | havent tried google voice yet |
| 06:09.38 | rooly | it rawks |
| 06:09.42 | ndnihil | yeah? |
| 06:09.44 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 06:10.00 | rooly | you can do things like get your name in your number... |
| 06:10.13 | rooly | mine is xxx-66-rooly |
| 06:10.18 | rooly | not sharing the area code in here |
| 06:10.19 | ndnihil | hah |
| 06:10.24 | ndnihil | dont blame you |
| 06:10.34 | ndnihil | logs of this channel get posted to the web |
| 06:10.38 | rooly | i showed it to my mom today |
| 06:10.41 | drascus321 | is there a setting to change layouts on this phone? |
| 06:10.53 | drascus321 | you know from standard to landscape? |
| 06:10.59 | rooly | drascus321: illume-settings |
| 06:11.02 | ndnihil | googled for something OM related the other night and the third post down was me saying something in here :) |
| 06:11.03 | rooly | press the top bar |
| 06:11.14 | rooly | click the wrench |
| 06:11.23 | rooly | go to 'screen' |
| 06:11.36 | rooly | i'm sure you can get it from there |
| 06:12.05 | ndnihil | and that bar scrolls left/right |
| 06:12.13 | ndnihil | that seems to be a commonly missed thing |
| 06:12.35 | rooly | ndnihil: 's only because people are non-observant |
| 06:12.37 | ndnihil | I missed it on first shr install, and I've seen a few people asking about it |
| 06:13.11 | ndnihil | rooly: it could also have something to do with the sluggish response of the scrolling |
| 06:13.20 | rooly | yeah, that's true too |
| 06:13.24 | ndnihil | it also misses scrolling input sometimes |
| 06:13.27 | rooly | too many layers of software operating |
| 06:13.32 | rooly | plans to reduce that... |
| 06:13.33 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 06:14.10 | ndnihil | particularly on the desktop, I sometimes have to try 3-4 times to get it to scroll/slide to see the icons at the other end of the desktop area |
| 06:14.20 | rooly | currently, drawing has to go thru e/gtk -> x -> fb |
| 06:14.31 | rooly | plans to cut out the slow middle man |
| 06:14.36 | rooly | gtk -> fb |
| 06:14.37 | ndnihil | good idea |
| 06:14.59 | rooly | meaning i can prototype my app in python, and possibly leave it that way |
| 06:15.53 | rooly | gonna combine sms/im (using libpurple)/email |
| 06:16.03 | rooly | google sync |
| 06:16.06 | rooly | google voice |
| 06:16.14 | rooly | maybe even a facebook sync |
| 06:17.03 | ndnihil | I'm all about using X+wm, but something lightweight like they used on neovento |
| 06:17.24 | ndnihil | it actually responds pretty well |
| 06:17.45 | rooly | i simply miss the old 2007 stack |
| 06:17.57 | rooly | it is honestly the best one they've had |
| 06:18.30 | ndnihil | this phone simply does not have the resources to be treated as a laptop |
| 06:19.55 | rooly | meh, ndnihil, it's got most of the specs of a stock laptop from just 3 years ago |
| 06:20.07 | rooly | i mean |
| 06:20.10 | rooly | okay |
| 06:20.15 | rooly | that's a lie |
| 06:20.26 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 06:20.31 | rooly | it's got the memory of a laptop from 5 years ago |
| 06:20.35 | ndnihil | not -too- far from it though |
| 06:20.39 | rooly | and that ran winxp way fine |
| 06:21.27 | rooly | and risc cpu's can't be compared in horsepower to cisc |
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| 06:22.51 | rooly | ANYway |
| 06:22.55 | rooly | i'm going to bed |
| 06:23.00 | rooly | nn |
| 06:23.01 | ndnihil | later |
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| 06:35.53 | raster | ndnihil: prediciton and correction are 2 very distinctly different things |
| 06:35.55 | raster | :) |
| 06:36.20 | ndnihil | moot point if it doesnt do either properly |
| 06:36.47 | raster | illume's kbd works wonderfully on english text. |
| 06:36.53 | ndnihil | maybe it's just me, but I'm a lot faster without predictive input |
| 06:37.04 | raster | which if english is your lang - is the absolute lions share of your text entry work |
| 06:37.23 | ndnihil | I'd rather type everything out than go back and fix 2 out of 3 words |
| 06:37.52 | raster | i dont like predictive - its even fuzzier in guessing. i like corrective. |
| 06:38.20 | raster | but i guess if your fingers are so accurate on a 2.2" screen u might not need it |
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| 06:38.28 | raster | but somehow i doubt it. |
| 06:38.29 | ndnihil | stylus |
| 06:38.35 | ndnihil | cant use any of the keyboards without one |
| 06:38.36 | raster | well there's the problem |
| 06:38.47 | raster | corrective input was intended for fingers |
| 06:38.49 | raster | no stylus |
| 06:38.51 | raster | fuzzy input |
| 06:38.55 | ndnihil | <-- large hands |
| 06:39.01 | raster | the gta02 has no stylus - thus its finger-based |
| 06:39.28 | raster | try android on a g1 - cupcake (1.5) |
| 06:39.52 | raster | it doesnt have corrective - but predictive. and its absymal. and it also is finger-based (no stylus... capacitive) |
| 06:39.54 | ndnihil | span on my hand, from tip of thumb to tip of pinky is just shy of 260mm |
| 06:40.17 | raster | try the non-corrective kbds with your hand |
| 06:40.20 | ndnihil | (just measured) |
| 06:40.26 | raster | drop the stylus - gta02 wasnt built for a stylus. |
| 06:40.28 | raster | try it. |
| 06:40.30 | raster | good luck. |
| 06:40.41 | ndnihil | heh, I tried all the keyboards |
| 06:40.45 | ndnihil | I need a stylus |
| 06:40.51 | ndnihil | and it works fine for me with one |
| 06:40.55 | lindi- | ndnihil: all keyboards? |
| 06:41.12 | ndnihil | well, the ones that come with shr |
| 06:41.16 | ndnihil | and a couple from opkg.org |
| 06:41.20 | lindi- | ndnihil: but you can define your own layout |
| 06:41.22 | ndnihil | all the ones I saw available |
| 06:41.30 | raster | my hands are average i'd say. i can actually type senctences if the kbd is corrective (qte kbd, illume kbd) |
| 06:41.32 | lindi- | ndnihil: with only the keys you need |
| 06:41.44 | raster | anything else is a waste of time as your error rate goes through the roof |
| 06:41.45 | ndnihil | I reflash this thing too much to invest any significant time customising it |
| 06:42.01 | lindi- | ndnihil: i don't reflash ever :) |
| 06:42.39 | lindi- | btw, can I quote you on that? I think it summarises why images are always not very good idea for a distro |
| 06:42.45 | ndnihil | I keep a shell script handy to install all the packages I typically use |
| 06:42.47 | raster | mind u - gta02 is a shining example of design errors (in hardware) |
| 06:42.48 | lindi- | s/always/often/ |
| 06:42.54 | ndnihil | quote away, its true |
| 06:42.58 | raster | so i am not sure it's wise to use it as a measuring pole for vkbds |
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| 06:43.35 | ndnihil | raster: even on my "normal" phones, I always end up disabling the predictive/corrective input |
| 06:44.10 | raster | i can't speak for other hpones |
| 06:44.24 | raster | some dont learn, some have fixed dictionaries that are sanitised (no swearwords and slang etc.) |
| 06:44.52 | raster | it's a useless example as the kbd code and data are untouchable |
| 06:45.10 | ndnihil | hrm, I wonder if this sph-i700 does predictive |
| 06:45.23 | ndnihil | stupid thing runs windows-something |
| 06:45.41 | raster | as i said - i think predictive is bad - it's wasteful as it pollutes the correction possibility field with too many options |
| 06:45.54 | raster | corrective is good as it has a more limited candidate field |
| 06:47.14 | lindi- | raster: i just intersection of words from IRC and words from debian word lists :) |
| 06:47.23 | lindi- | +used |
| 06:47.33 | raster | lindi-: makes a lot of sense. |
| 06:47.40 | raster | dicts are very personal things often |
| 06:48.02 | raster | you can try and do a universal one - but it will cover lots of language you dont use. it's a good idea to collect your words from your environment |
| 06:48.24 | raster | your own sent emails, sms's, irc (everything at least you have said - if not others) etc. etc. |
| 06:49.19 | ndnihil | wow, kernel cant figure out what this thing is |
| 06:49.27 | ndnihil | Aug 6 01:48:48 akui kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Handspring Visor / Palm OS |
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| 06:49.37 | ndnihil | Aug 6 01:48:48 akui kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Sony Clie 5.0 |
| 06:49.45 | ndnihil | when it's actually a samsung i700 |
| 06:50.34 | raster | my dict can contain things like "centigram" ... but really... will i ever use it? |
| 06:50.41 | rooly | raster |
| 06:51.02 | raster | rooly: boo! |
| 06:51.09 | rooly | do you happen to run any usage scripts for your keyboard |
| 06:51.17 | rooly | or do you just have a dictionary |
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| 06:52.02 | rooly | i mean, i realize your keyboard eventually learns |
| 06:52.15 | rooly | 's just kinda tiresome to have to re teach it each time i reflash |
| 06:52.20 | raster | anyway - a dict that is built from your own personal text stores (your sent email text, sms's, irc stuff you wrote etc. etc.) shoudl present a much more personal dict :) the problem is that peolpe expect it to work out of the box without any effort so you need to try provide a universal "everyone" dict which will always be sub-optimal for most ppl |
| 06:52.44 | ndnihil | I dont expect it to work at all, I just expect to be able to disable it ;) |
| 06:52.46 | raster | rooly: i don't, but the illume kbd will learn from whats entered through it |
| 06:53.08 | rooly | hmm |
| 06:53.14 | raster | you should backup ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic |
| 06:53.17 | raster | thats where it stores what it learns |
| 06:53.18 | rooly | okay |
| 06:53.25 | rooly | 's what i was gonna ask you actually |
| 06:53.44 | raster | just back that up - put it back on after reflahs and it will be as it was before |
| 06:53.58 | rooly | awesome |
| 06:54.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5393 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): |
| 06:54.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added menu item "Save" to dump the footprint to stdout |
| 06:54.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added temporary solution for having a part name |
| 06:54.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added part name to FPD example files |
| 06:54.47 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - reduced area in which the frame delete button responds |
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| 09:13.25 | VoltageX | hi, I have an A6, and the settings panel won't open |
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| 09:16.28 | VoltageX | Loading flashes up temporarily then disappears |
| 09:18.04 | Gnutoo | hi does someone do openstreetmap mapping here? |
| 09:18.21 | Gnutoo | is there any progrem that can note the road types for mapping |
| 09:18.25 | Gnutoo | for the freerunner |
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| 09:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | VoltageX: no info on version -> no help. ÃLEASE read #chanel topic (esp wrt http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) |
| 09:31.09 | VoltageX | A6? |
| 09:31.12 | VoltageX | err |
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| 09:57.32 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03stefan * r5394 10/trunk/src/target/AR6kSDK.build_sw.18/host/tools/wmiconfig/Makefile: |
| 09:57.32 | CIA-52 | openmoko: wmiconfig: Honor LDFLAGS. |
| 09:57.32 | CIA-52 | openmoko: We need the LDFLAGS in OE. Allowing wmiconfig to build with them. |
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| 10:00.28 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Openmoko_from_scratch#How_to_build |
| 10:00.32 | ndnihil | ^is this still valid? |
| 10:01.37 | ndnihil | I've crosscompiled stuff in the same manner I've done for avr8/avr32, but I am going to try the perl-tk module |
| 10:01.42 | ndnihil | which is a bit more complicated |
| 10:02.20 | ndnihil | and wtf is bitbake? |
| 10:02.30 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's Open Embedded tool |
| 10:03.24 | ndnihil | any advice on a quick and dirty way to compile perl-tk for it? |
| 10:03.41 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: there're three popular methods used currently: native compiling (debian folks do it in qemu sometimes), OE (SHR and others), OpenWRT. |
| 10:04.02 | ndnihil | native sounds proper |
| 10:04.19 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: set up a crosscompiler on your machine, use distcc and compile on your FR with the help from distcc (optional). |
| 10:04.27 | ndnihil | will qemu load the same root image and kernel image I flashed to the FR? |
| 10:05.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: nah, they use some special kernel and debian packages there. And anyway qemu is actually slower in compiling than the device itself. |
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| 10:08.02 | ndnihil | hrm, bitbake looks like something I'd like to avoid |
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| 10:09.33 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: OE is complete gentoo-like cross-compiling system. |
| 10:09.48 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: sometimes fucking tricky to get right. |
| 10:10.14 | ndnihil | sometimes people overcomplicate things |
| 10:10.53 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: for me it seems it's justified. |
| 10:11.09 | ndnihil | what are the benefits to it? |
| 10:12.41 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: cross-compiling? |
| 10:12.47 | ndnihil | to bitbake |
| 10:12.54 | ndnihil | cross compiling is obvious :) |
| 10:13.16 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: how to manage dependencies etc without a tool like gentoo's portage or bitbake? |
| 10:13.23 | ndnihil | but why not just export a few vars like CC="gcc-avr" and hit the go button? |
| 10:13.33 | ndnihil | ah, so it deals with deps |
| 10:13.57 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: just like Gentoo. OE is designed to cross-compile a complete distro. |
| 10:13.58 | ndnihil | I usually do the "chase the error/missing piece" thing |
| 10:14.13 | ndnihil | make; install what was missing; make; install what was missing; etc... |
| 10:14.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it also supports fetching sources from various SCMs updating whenever a new rev is available. |
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| 10:20.04 | lindi- | PaulFertser: just a note, debian does not currently allow packages that have been built under qemu |
| 10:20.34 | PaulFertser | lindi-: why? |
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| 11:10.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i think it has something to do with qemu not being cycle accurate |
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| 11:11.12 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so it's mostly to reduce the number of software components that can cause compilation bugs |
| 11:11.21 | Demind | hi |
| 11:15.58 | Demind | I have a problem when I try to flash GSM firmware on my freerunner following the instructions I find on the wiki |
| 11:16.56 | Demind | I'm using this SD image: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz , it seems that using dd to write this image on my SD gives a corrupted partition table and I can't boot from the NOR |
| 11:17.32 | Demind | is there any other doc I can read a part from that wiki section? |
| 11:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | Demind: probably you messed the dd process |
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| 11:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | docs are in the tharball as well |
| 11:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | but wiki is comprehensive and correct |
| 11:18.26 | Demind | I've read it |
| 11:18.28 | Demind | ok |
| 11:18.33 | Demind | a last question about it |
| 11:18.38 | Demind | I get this error |
| 11:18.46 | Demind | ** Unable to use mmc 1:1 for fatload ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! |
| 11:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you dd to *physical* device, NOT to partition |
| 11:19.07 | Demind | yeah i did it |
| 11:19.10 | Demind | ok I try again |
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| 11:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | no idea then, it's been tested hundered of times now |
| 11:19.45 | Demind | ok I try again |
| 11:19.56 | ndnihil | worked for me |
| 11:20.00 | Demind | do you think I should completeley erase the SD before the next dd? |
| 11:20.13 | ndnihil | dd should overwrite it |
| 11:20.17 | Demind | ok |
| 11:20.24 | Demind | I'm going to try again |
| 11:20.32 | Demind | sorry to bother you with such a silly problem |
| 11:20.44 | ndnihil | and like DocScrutinizer said, make sure you dd to the physical device, and not the partition |
| 11:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | also make sure you umount ALL partitons possibly (auto)mounted when you plugged in that uSD |
| 11:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | that's really important as otherwise your system will destroy the freshly written image by flushing buffers of a filesystem that is not existent on the uSD anymore |
| 11:24.04 | Demind | well cat /etc/mtab gives me that I've two partitions automounted mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2, I've unmounted them with a classic umount |
| 11:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | k, should suffice |
| 11:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | though I wonder which system U r using to prepare the uSD. FR? |
| 11:25.58 | Demind | I can't understand your question...are you asking if I'm preparing it from the FR or from my PC? |
| 11:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | btw I'd prefer a mere 'mount' to any 'cat foo' |
| 11:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:26.31 | Demind | ok I'm working with the PC |
| 11:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 11:27.11 | Demind | sono I've the Gnome automounter that automounts the stuff...that's why I used the 'cat foo' |
| 11:27.58 | Demind | s/sono/[] lol |
| 11:28.31 | Demind | teh result: |
| 11:28.32 | Demind | dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 11:28.32 | Demind | 552960+0 records in |
| 11:28.32 | Demind | 552960+0 records out |
| 11:28.32 | Demind | 283115520 bytes (283 MB) copied, 288,572 s, 981 kB/s |
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| 11:28.37 | Demind | everything seems ok |
| 11:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 11:28.48 | ndnihil | yep, that's the proper output |
| 11:28.53 | Demind | now I can test again |
| 11:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | now flush |
| 11:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | err sync |
| 11:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | sync;sync; |
| 11:31.01 | Demind | wait |
| 11:31.10 | Demind | the both? |
| 11:31.15 | Demind | sync;sync ? |
| 11:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | should be non-mandatory, but who knows |
| 11:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, back in the old days you needed two sync to make sure it really flushed all diskbuffers |
| 11:32.21 | Demind | ok I gave sync;sync to be sure |
| 11:32.42 | Demind | i'm not a very old user so I didn't know that sorry |
| 11:32.48 | Demind | and thanks for the explanation ;) |
| 11:32.56 | Demind | Ok now I out it on the FR |
| 11:33.01 | Demind | s/out/put |
| 11:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | so now remove uSD and try again: boot to NOR menu and select "boot from uSDs |
| 11:34.00 | Demind | ok it's working |
| 11:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | HEH, .-D |
| 11:34.22 | Demind | I mean I see a black screen 'alive' |
| 11:34.28 | Demind | I suppose its working lol |
| 11:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | you should see blue writing on FR screen in a few seconds |
| 11:35.01 | Demind | well the first time I gave only one sync |
| 11:35.30 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: are you sure write caching is used for non-mounted media? |
| 11:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | does it boot now? I.E. there's white on black console msgs? |
| 11:35.46 | Demind | up to now no blue writing...weird... |
| 11:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I'm rather sure it isn't ;-) |
| 11:36.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: what's the use of sync then? |
| 11:36.16 | Demind | I've seen the classic boot messages like "kernel found" etc etc |
| 11:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: exactly none. Just to make sure... ;-P |
| 11:37.04 | Demind | and then a backlighted black screen..as I would see if I was booting with Qi to NAND if you get my example |
| 11:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | Demind: so writing turned to blue color now? |
| 11:37.16 | Demind | not at all |
| 11:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | touch screen |
| 11:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | ;) |
| 11:38.12 | Demind | I'm touching it but it hates me lol, still black |
| 11:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 11:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | aux led flashing? |
| 11:39.49 | Demind | no |
| 11:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | fsck. no idea what might have gone wrong |
| 11:40.45 | Demind | I'm very unlucky or maybe incapable |
| 11:41.05 | Demind | should I force a shutdown and then retry? |
| 11:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | you booted from NOR (definitively)? |
| 11:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes, force shutdown (i.e. remove bat and unplug from usb) |
| 11:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | then retry |
| 11:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | make sure is says "boot menu (NOR)" |
| 11:42.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i've no idea how to find PID by "dbus unique name". |
| 11:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | as suggested by mickey to find ELF-name of a resorce-allocator? |
| 11:43.48 | Demind | I didn't plug it to the USB, was it necessary?I supposed that booting from NOR was possibile using directly the FR |
| 11:43.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: seen my script on the bugtracker already? |
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| 11:43.58 | PaulFertser | Demind: it is |
| 11:44.06 | PaulFertser | Demind: read wiki "Booting Freerunner" |
| 11:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | Demind: you should hook device to wallcharger nevertheless for gsm-flashing, and make sure your bat isn't that down either |
| 11:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: nope |
| 11:45.13 | Demind | I'm sure the bat is charged enough |
| 11:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | ticket#? |
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| 11:46.05 | Demind | but why should I plug it to the USB port?to have some 'parachuteì if my bat drains up during the process? |
| 11:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:46.27 | Demind | oki |
| 11:46.28 | Demind | :) |
| 11:47.29 | Demind | ok |
| 11:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | Demind: please touch screen frequently to stop blanking, and closely watch for last line written before anything stalls |
| 11:48.34 | Demind | apparently the boot process needs a touch after the white screen |
| 11:48.40 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 (you should have received notification anyway) |
| 11:48.42 | Demind | the first white screen |
| 11:49.32 | Demind | now I have the blue |
| 11:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | ouch WSOD?!??? fsck |
| 11:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | cool :-) |
| 11:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | so sit and wait until it turns green. you're done then |
| 11:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | thank you for using my uSD-flashing image ;-) |
| 11:51.24 | Demind | thank you for your help...apparently it complains about the bluetooth^^ |
| 11:51.28 | Demind | I suppose you know it |
| 11:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 11:51.47 | Demind | green! |
| 11:51.52 | Demind | I get a login prompt |
| 11:51.57 | Demind | so I can shutdown |
| 11:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | done :-) |
| 11:52.00 | Demind | :) |
| 11:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 11:52.08 | Demind | brutal force? |
| 11:52.09 | Demind | :D |
| 11:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 11:52.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ehe, i know how to do that |
| 11:54.28 | Demind | DocScrutinizer: thank you again |
| 11:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | welcome |
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| 12:02.38 | xyzz | I just installed current om2009 and tangogps ... and its kind of doing nothing (gpsd is running) |
| 12:02.54 | xyzz | is it some faq? |
| 12:03.42 | PaulFertser | xyzz: gpsd shouldn't be running |
| 12:04.04 | PaulFertser | xyzz: with that tangogps should use fso-gpsd that will automatically ask frameworkd for gps data. |
| 12:04.10 | xyzz | *fso-gpsd |
| 12:04.33 | lindi- | xyzz: depends on who you ask, i like gpsd :) |
| 12:04.52 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i wanted to tell him about "fso-recommended" way. |
| 12:06.27 | xyzz | ok, fso-gpsd is running, but tangogps doesnt seems to get any data |
| 12:06.55 | PaulFertser | xyzz: are you sure device is in appropriate place to get a fix? |
| 12:07.04 | ndnihil | anybody know off hand what package ccache is in? |
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| 12:07.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5395 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO dump.c gui_canvas.c gui_inst.c gui_util.c): |
| 12:07.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Various bugfixes. |
| 12:07.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - also dump the part name |
| 12:07.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - if given a zero-length vector, draw_arrow now draws a vertical arrow instead |
| 12:07.27 | CIA-52 | openmoko: of overflowing |
| 12:07.28 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - fixed angle calculation when drawing and selecting arcs |
| 12:07.30 | lindi- | xyzz: strace ogpsd and see what data it reads from /dev/gps (symlink, i don't remember the real name by heart)? |
| 12:07.32 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - redraw the screen after deselecting when we begin dragging |
| 12:09.54 | xyzz | PaulFertser near the window, that shouldnt be problem .. or? |
| 12:10.14 | PaulFertser | xyzz: it depends. If this is the window you always get a fix near, it should be ok. |
| 12:12.36 | xyzz | PaulFertser never tried before, my om is one day old |
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| 12:13.54 | PaulFertser | xyzz: i'm not sure if paroli has some cool diagnostic window for GPS. Both SHR and Zhone do. |
| 12:15.24 | xyzz | even commandline utility can help |
| 12:15.43 | xyzz | lindi- looking on it right now |
| 12:15.43 | PaulFertser | xyzz: hm, let me check |
| 12:16.29 | PaulFertser | xyzz: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Satellite.GetSatellites |
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| 12:18.25 | xyzz | hmm "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy: GetSatellites failed: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled" |
| 12:19.40 | PaulFertser | xyzz: means you don't have fso-gpsd running or tangogps running. |
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| 12:20.10 | xyzz | PaulFertser root 2214 1 0 13:18 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid |
| 12:20.23 | xyzz | tangogps is off |
| 12:20.30 | PaulFertser | xyzz: so no wonder you have no results |
| 12:20.40 | PaulFertser | xyzz: please read and understand http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources |
| 12:21.00 | PaulFertser | xyzz: fso-gpsd requests GPS resource IIF someone is connected to its gpsd-compatible interface. |
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| 12:24.39 | xyzz | so, there need to be running fso-gpsd (obvious) and connected client (tangogps) for mdbus request to succeed? |
| 12:24.48 | PaulFertser | xyzz: sure |
| 12:24.49 | xyzz | mdbus result is now [] and some warnings |
| 12:26.44 | PaulFertser | xyzz: (warnings are irrelevant) http://paste.debian.net/43479/ |
| 12:29.42 | PaulFertser | xyzz: and of course my paste shows i don't have a fix, only one sat is actually seen. |
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| 12:36.20 | xyzz | hmm, seems it got fixed to 12 satelites right now |
| 12:37.35 | PaulFertser | xyzz: org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.GetFixStatus |
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| 12:40.51 | PaulFertser | xyzz: you might also want to see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus |
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| 12:45.29 | xyzz | PaulFertser thanks for tips |
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| 13:20.25 | leavittx | hey there! does anybody know where openmoko locations stores user points? |
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| 13:26.04 | drascus321 | can someone help me trouble shoot why the contacts and messages apps don't work on shr for me |
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| 13:27.30 | dns53 | my guess is shr is updateing and they have upgraded part of the system and some apps have not been rebuilt |
| 13:29.03 | drascus321 | well I just installed it last night |
| 13:29.18 | leavittx | locations -- which file with user saved points? please help |
| 13:29.23 | drascus321 | I haven't run an update on it last night |
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| 15:41.23 | novalis_dt | I just got my phone back from being debuzzed by SDG, and now nobody can hear me at all -- I can hear them, but they can't hear me. |
| 15:41.27 | novalis_dt | Any ideas? |
| 15:42.57 | TAsn | novalis_dt, ask sdg? |
| 15:43.06 | TAsn | ;) |
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| 15:44.08 | novalis_dt | TAsn, yeah, that's my last resort, because they'll want me to send it back and then I'll be without a phone again for another three weeks. |
| 15:44.25 | TAsn | novalis_dt, just ask |
| 15:44.31 | TAsn | maybe you need another state file |
| 15:44.32 | TAsn | or something |
| 15:44.36 | TAsn | I dunno... |
| 15:44.43 | novalis_dt | TAsn, thanks |
| 15:44.51 | TAsn | really I have no idea, I couldn't part with my moko for a period this long |
| 15:44.55 | TAsn | (two weeks) |
| 15:45.04 | TAsn | :) |
| 15:45.10 | TAsn | and I already have another moko batter anyway :) |
| 15:45.28 | Weiss | maybe the microphone isn't contacting properly with the main PCB? (the microphone is built into the front cover) |
| 15:45.39 | Weiss | although i've taken my front cover off loads of times with no problems |
| 15:45.48 | Weiss | hmm actually ignore that, it's the speaker that's on the front cover |
| 15:46.12 | novalis_dt | I have never taken my front cover off -- justthe back cover |
| 15:53.18 | johnsu01 | novalis_dt: ugh :/ changes in mixer settings were necessary for me after the debuzz |
| 15:53.29 | johnsu01 | novalis_dt: but I didn't have anything that exrteme |
| 15:53.54 | johnsu01 | (my debuzz was done by a friend though, albeit following the same SOP) |
| 15:53.55 | novalis_dt | I can't even find the mixer. But perhaps this is juts stupidity. |
| 15:54.24 | johnsu01 | novalis_dt: state files in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios |
| 15:55.13 | novalis_dt | johnsu01, ah, I see these, and will I guess investigate them when I can find a mini-usb cable. |
| 15:55.45 | TAsn | johnsu01, not in shr they are not. |
| 15:56.16 | novalis_dt | TAsn, where are they in shr? |
| 15:56.16 | TAsn | /usr/share/shr/scenarii or something |
| 15:56.16 | TAsn | in general |
| 15:56.20 | TAsn | the exact path is stated in the |
| 15:56.24 | TAsn | /etc/frameworkd.conf file |
| 15:56.30 | johnsu01 | still called gsmhandset.state though, right? |
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| 15:57.00 | TAsn | same names |
| 15:57.02 | TAsn | just different path |
| 15:58.28 | johnsu01 | is there an shr gui mixer app yet? |
| 15:58.47 | TAsn | johnsu01, not yet ;( |
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| 16:18.27 | Infoport | I just read about the Buzz Fix program, but it seems to be over! Have I missed my chance? |
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| 16:19.00 | ShellEvil | Infoport: where are you? |
| 16:19.01 | soltys | Infoport: you can do that yourself ;> |
| 16:22.27 | Infoport | I am in the US, in NC. I don't think I have the skills to solder such a small connection. I have seen the rework, and it specifies soldering under a microscope and using tiny solder tips. |
| 16:24.35 | Infoport | I have a basic soldering iron, but have very basic skills along with it. |
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| 16:29.07 | novalis_dt | Infoport, next time you're in New York, I would be glad to lend you a microscope... |
| 16:30.43 | Infoport | well actually I *do* have a monocular microscope, but since I am a novice at soldering I am hesitant to try on my FR |
| 16:31.48 | Infoport | my internal GPS antenna stopped working, and I tried to resolder a loose wire, but I can still only get GPS from external antenna now |
| 16:32.30 | Infoport | and that was an easy wire, not tiny or anything (I didnt break it, but it didnt get solved either) |
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| 16:38.55 | Infoport | soltys: did you do the rework on your FR yourself? |
| 16:39.14 | soltys | Infoport: i'm waiting for capacitor and rezistor ;) |
| 16:39.35 | soltys | they should be here soon |
| 16:40.35 | Infoport | soltys: are you going to be using a soldering iron with adjustable temp, a microscope, etc? |
| 16:41.45 | soltys | Infoport: nope, i have normal soldering iron and 'third hand' with magnifaing glass |
| 16:41.54 | soltys | it should be ok.. |
| 16:41.57 | soltys | will see ;) |
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| 16:42.38 | Infoport | soltys: that is actually what I have. Maybe I should practice a while on circuits from a hard drive I took apart for magnets |
| 16:44.35 | soltys | Infoport: ;> |
| 16:45.14 | Infoport | I wish I had noticed while the Buzz Fix program was in effect. :-( |
| 16:47.27 | Infoport | never saw it in the Community Updates, etc. A limited time thing like that should be in flashing text, maybe a popup saying You Are Already a Winner! |
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| 16:47.37 | Infoport | :-P |
| 16:49.24 | TAsn | Infoport, this is probably why: |
| 16:49.25 | TAsn | http://xkcd.com/570/ |
| 16:49.33 | TAsn | (why they didn't put flashing popups{ |
| 16:51.56 | Infoport | very funny! Still, I was regularly visiting wiki, setting up USB networking on diff computers, flashing distros, trying software, but missed that |
| 16:52.27 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: hte buzz-fix is easy |
| 16:52.32 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: the GPS fix isn't |
| 16:52.50 | Infoport | I'm on mailing lists too, but I get SWAMPED by the volume, and usually only end up reading some of it |
| 16:52.54 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: If you happen to be visiting scotland, I might be able to help you - otherwise - not really |
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| 16:56.34 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: a GPS fix for the internal antenna, or the GPS-DS card issue? Isn't the latter fixed just as well by software? |
| 16:57.10 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: the GPS fix does mor ethan the software alone. |
| 16:57.20 | SpeedEvil | The software alone fix some find adequate |
| 17:00.29 | Infoport | hmm. once again, the fixes are to be found in Europe! For the GPS antenna issue, I did squeeze the connector, but I was afraid to try resoldering pins |
| 17:01.41 | Infoport | Is anybody in the US doing the fixes, other than the no-over program with SDG? |
| 17:02.00 | tedo | Who does this fixes in europe? |
| 17:02.11 | Infoport | s/no-oever/now-over/g |
| 17:02.43 | Infoport | tedo well SpeedEvil seems to do the fixes, acc. to a wiki page |
| 17:03.18 | SpeedEvil | I should take that down. |
| 17:03.39 | Infoport | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil |
| 17:03.40 | SpeedEvil | I currently am having problems with transport - so posting FRs back would be tricky |
| 17:03.44 | SpeedEvil | yes, I know |
| 17:04.12 | Infoport | umm, yeah getting the FR back is very important IMHO |
| 17:04.18 | tedo | :) |
| 17:04.51 | tedo | i just missed the buzz fix program, too |
| 17:05.11 | tedo | and i don't have the gps sd-card capacitor |
| 17:07.11 | Infoport | SpeedEvil says the buzz fix is "easy", but you might want to look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix |
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| 17:07.44 | SpeedEvil | the buzz fix is easy compared to the gps fix |
| 17:07.48 | Infoport | page says that the EU distributor Golden Delicious will keep doing the fixes privately (for pay I assume) |
| 17:08.27 | tedo | currently it is not available in their shop |
| 17:08.30 | Infoport | I saw one person's writeup of doing the buzz fix, and they accidentally removed other components and then replaced them |
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| 17:10.20 | Infoport | there MUST be other source for the capacitor (other than SpeedEvil, who needs a reliable VW so he can get to post office ;-) ) |
| 17:15.09 | Infoport | testing equipment is also needed for buzz fix or GPS fix right? |
| 17:16.51 | Infoport | *sigh* I guess I just need to learn how to solder well (and I thought that programming skills were all this phone would need!) |
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| 17:20.10 | Infoport | SpeedEvil, the testing of resistor (for buzz fix) is just to verify right? If we know hardware revision, the resistor will be 0k correct? |
| 17:21.10 | Infoport | SpeedEvil, that is, if we know hardware revision is A5 or A6 |
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| 17:27.20 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, yes |
| 17:29.04 | Infoport | good, I am afraid that my multimeters are cheap, and might give too much voltage |
| 17:29.39 | Infoport | I usually use them for my classic VWs, etc, not delicate electronics |
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| 17:30.54 | Infoport | wow, the Freedom Slim keyboard looks promising! I am still trying to get hold of the rollup keyboard with a mini-USB |
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| 17:32.16 | Infoport | Duraflex keyboard-- Oxford Univ was using FR with Duraflex, and had it made with mini-USB. They said they were going to sell extras but it never seemed to happen |
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| 17:39.48 | Infoport | ouch! got a reply from SDG Systems, saying the program ended 7/31 -- that hurts even more! |
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| 18:49.10 | Infoport | has anybody had success with SHR upgrades using the swapon instructions on wiki? I get an error when I try to do the swapon command |
| 18:49.57 | rooly | swapon -a? |
| 18:51.11 | Infoport | no, I just entered swapon swapfile.swp, per this note in wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#opkg_upgrade_.22fork_failed.22 (I was getting the fork failed before) |
| 18:53.23 | Infoport | the command fails with error "swapon: swapfile.swp: Invalid argument" |
| 18:53.54 | tedo | you are in the correct directory? |
| 18:54.06 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: you've mkswapped the file? |
| 18:55.00 | Infoport | tedo and speedevil: yes and yes |
| 18:55.31 | Infoport | swapon -a shouldnt do it, since there is no fstab entry |
| 18:56.23 | tedo | Infoport: i've done the dd and mkswap on my pc(faster). after that everything worked fine |
| 18:57.54 | dos1 | infoport: where do you have that swapfile? |
| 18:57.58 | Infoport | tedo but you did swapon, or somehow activated it as swap on the FR right? |
| 18:58.08 | dos1 | Infoport: on NAND or µSD? |
| 18:58.09 | tedo | Infoport: yes |
| 18:58.13 | Infoport | dos1 on /media/card |
| 18:58.30 | dos1 | Infoport: so on µSD? |
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| 18:58.49 | dos1 | Infoport: /media/card doesn't say anything for me, as it can be unmounted as well |
| 18:58.56 | Infoport | dos1 yes, first partition, ext2 in this card |
| 18:59.06 | dos1 | hmm |
| 18:59.17 | dos1 | strange thing then |
| 19:00.41 | [Rui] | hi |
| 19:00.59 | Infoport | hello Rui! |
| 19:01.48 | Infoport | issuing "swapon /media/card/swapfile.swp" doesnt seem to work either |
| 19:01.51 | [Rui] | I would really appreciate some hints on why elmdentica is looking like absolute crap on shr :) |
| 19:02.03 | [Rui] | if it's anything I can/should do, I would definitely do it |
| 19:02.08 | Infoport | tedo did you have to reboot or anything in between? |
| 19:02.22 | [Rui] | Infoport: that's not it |
| 19:02.30 | tedo | Infoport: i rebooted after the fork error |
| 19:02.33 | [Rui] | Infoport: you should put your swap file in /etc/fstab |
| 19:02.47 | [Rui] | Infoport: did you do it? |
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| 19:03.19 | Infoport | Rui no, I havent put any entry in for swap |
| 19:04.01 | tedo | Infoport: but the fork error destroyed my rootfs, so i reflashed it after that, too |
| 19:04.35 | [Rui] | tedo: the opkg fork error? I'm getting that as well, is it a filesystem killer? |
| 19:05.05 | tedo | [Rui]: i think so |
| 19:05.16 | [Rui] | Infoport: echo '/media/card/swapfile.swp none swap sw 0 0" ? |
| 19:05.24 | [Rui] | Infoport: echo '/media/card/swapfile.swp none swap sw 0 0" >> /etc/fstab |
| 19:05.29 | [Rui] | Infoport: then swap on -a |
| 19:05.30 | Infoport | yeah, I have had to reflash several times b/c of the fork error, then found the instructions for swap for upgrade (on SHR page in wiki) |
| 19:05.33 | [Rui] | swapon -a |
| 19:06.14 | tedo | i didn't put the swapfile in fstab. it should work without it |
| 19:08.00 | Infoport | now "swapon -a" yields --> "swapon: /media/card/swapfile.swp: Invalid argument" |
| 19:08.13 | [Rui] | but what is the opkg fork error? what's causing it? |
| 19:08.40 | tedo | Infoport: but "swapon --help" works? |
| 19:08.46 | Infoport | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#opkg_upgrade_.22fork_failed.22 |
| 19:09.16 | Infoport | tedo yes swapon --help works |
| 19:09.40 | Infoport | my guess is that it isn't recognizing the file as a device |
| 19:10.22 | tedo | i would try to do the dd & mkswap on a pc |
| 19:10.41 | tedo | maybe your swapfile is corrupt |
| 19:10.58 | Infoport | tedo those commands seemed to work correctly-- they gave output that seemed to make sense |
| 19:11.25 | tedo | yes, but either your swapon is broken or your swapfile |
| 19:11.27 | Infoport | 128000+0 records in |
| 19:11.27 | Infoport | 128000+0 records out |
| 19:11.43 | tedo | so new swapfile or reflash |
| 19:11.47 | Infoport | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 131067904 bytes |
| 19:12.37 | Infoport | tedo I guess it is time to try swapfile again-- SHR isnt locked up, like fith failed fork |
| 19:12.54 | Infoport | like with failed fork |
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| 19:15.23 | Infoport | I like the leather OM case selling at TuxBrain, except for it being leather |
| 19:15.39 | TAsn | Infoport, hehe. |
| 19:15.43 | TAsn | I have one. |
| 19:15.47 | TAsn | I don't like cases at all |
| 19:15.47 | TAsn | ;\ |
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| 19:16.20 | TAsn | but I also don't like the fact it's leather |
| 19:16.33 | [Rui] | I have it |
| 19:16.38 | [Rui] | it's very useful in the summer |
| 19:16.56 | [Rui] | that way the freerunner isn't getting all the heat and humidity from my sweaty pockets :) |
| 19:17.02 | Infoport | I have the traveler's pouch, but it doesn't keep you from accidentally pressing the screen (and no screen lock on SHR and some others!) |
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| 19:17.27 | TAsn | Infoport, sure there's a screen lock in shr |
| 19:17.31 | TAsn | just tap the aux button. |
| 19:17.33 | Infoport | Rui plus I don't need more STUFF in my pockets! |
| 19:18.24 | Infoport | TAsn hmm, OpenWRT then? It seems one of the distros I recently flashed didnt have a lock |
| 19:18.42 | TAsn | Infoport, huh? |
| 19:19.35 | Infoport | I pull out the phone, and there is a long string in the dialer, just waiting to call malaysia or somewhere expensive |
| 19:22.08 | Infoport | maybe that is just another thing I need to learn about those distros, but I still would like a firm case for FR |
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| 19:25.56 | [Rui] | so opkg is having problems due to not enough memory? |
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| 19:26.44 | soltys | yeap |
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| 19:27.25 | Infoport | weird, now I cant seem to see the first partition on uSD, in USB adapter in PC |
| 19:27.27 | [Rui] | even for simples installs? |
| 19:27.33 | [Rui] | I mean... I could understand for a complete upgrade |
| 19:27.36 | [Rui] | or a big one |
| 19:27.41 | [Rui] | but I had it installing mokomaze |
| 19:27.54 | [Rui] | now with the swap file I'm fixing the packages it brokinstalled |
| 19:27.54 | Infoport | Rui no I got it to upgrade dropbear, just not opkg upgrade (full) |
| 19:27.55 | soltys | [Rui]: only in big upgrades afaik |
| 19:28.03 | [Rui] | definition of big may vary |
| 19:28.13 | [Rui] | I had it even with installing elmdentica |
| 19:28.17 | [Rui] | and that is very, very small |
| 19:28.40 | soltys | [Rui]: and upgrading navit have probpems with 'opkg fork failed' afair.. |
| 19:28.53 | soltys | it was on -community or shr-user ml |
| 19:30.45 | Infoport | does the swapfile need to be on a uSD partition with nothing else? |
| 19:31.12 | Infoport | it seems to have taken away the partition type label (viewing via parted) |
| 19:31.27 | [Rui] | what I would like is that someone helped me understand what THE FSCK is wrong with SHR and libelm |
| 19:31.34 | Infoport | correction-- filesystem type |
| 19:31.39 | [Rui] | elmdentica looks like crap and I found another weird problem |
| 19:31.49 | [Rui] | it's spending cpu like there's no tomorrow |
| 19:31.55 | [Rui] | constantly on 15% |
| 19:31.55 | tedo | Infoport: no, i put it besides other files |
| 19:32.05 | [Rui] | now... elmdentica doesn't do things by itself |
| 19:32.12 | [Rui] | no autoload of timelines, etc... |
| 19:32.23 | [Rui] | so it's only libelm's loop that's working |
| 19:33.46 | Infoport | well parted says it cant detect a filesystem there now, so I must have messed up something |
| 19:35.25 | Infoport | guess I'll make ext2 partition again and try again |
| 19:38.23 | Infoport | just means I'll have to reload Maps onto uSD, plus uImage for distro on uSD |
| 19:40.37 | tedo | good luck. i'm off now. bye |
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| 19:44.04 | Infoport | does everybody use a tiny screwdriver to lift up the uSD clip, or just use their fingernail? I have to remove it SO OFTEN |
| 19:44.41 | mjr | I usually use the edge of the sim or something, since it's handy at that point |
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| 19:45.55 | Infoport | mjr good idea! the wiki says the clip will stop holding if you pull it up without releasing both sides, so I have been worried about using fingernail |
| 19:49.15 | Infoport | yea! doing dd and mkswap on PC, then replacing uSD in FR, seemed to do the trick! swapon swapfile.swp seems to work (at least no error afterward) |
| 19:50.04 | Infoport | now I just hope that the opkg upgrade doesn't fail! |
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| 19:51.06 | Infoport | and "if at first you don't succeed, flash flash again" |
| 19:51.34 | Sharwin_F | Infoport, about uSD card, I remember someone using a post-it paper to open it easily :) |
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| 19:53.49 | Infoport | I think my brother has a stylus (for N770, or other PDA) which has a tiny screwdriver in the top. Would be nice for FR (it needs a small stylus and holder anyway) |
| 19:55.07 | Infoport | that is another thing I like about the leather OM case-- has/holds a small stylus! But I dont buy leather anymore |
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| 20:16.20 | azaghal | Infoport: Heheh, my bro gave me one of his N770 styluses ;) (much better than that giant pen I got with FR) |
| 20:19.05 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5396 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (delete.c delete.h fpd.y gui.c gui_tools.c obj.h): |
| 20:19.05 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when dragging the endpoint of an arc, show a helper line to visually connect |
| 20:19.05 | CIA-52 | openmoko: the point being dragged |
| 20:19.05 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added pop-up menus for all frame and variable items (on-going) |
| 20:19.05 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - clickable items in the frame/var area now only respond to the left button, |
| 20:19.08 | CIA-52 | openmoko: unless they have a pop-up |
| 20:19.10 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - removed the frame delete icon - use pop-up instead |
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| 20:59.14 | Infoport | well upgrade is still continuing successfully...had to confirm replacing configuration filesso it could go on, but no failed fork |
| 21:02.56 | spydon | does the freerunner support 16GB microSDHC ? |
| 21:03.01 | spydon | if anyone have tried... |
| 21:03.09 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:03.13 | spydon | awesome |
| 21:03.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer did. It worked for him. |
| 21:03.27 | Infoport | I think DocScrutinizer was trying one yesterday |
| 21:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:04.58 | mjr | also "should" work for 32 GB ones |
| 21:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ df -h |
| 21:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/root 252544 115024 137520 46% / |
| 21:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | none 60428 60 60368 0% /dev |
| 21:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | shmfs 60428 0 60428 0% /dev/shm |
| 21:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1 15654912 4194336 11460576 27% /media/card |
| 21:05.08 | mjr | (when they'll come up with those) |
| 21:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | volatile 60428 1988 58440 3% /var/volatile |
| 21:05.48 | mjr | incidentally, any confirmation yet if sdxc cards will work with older controllers if you get to bang the controller as we do? |
| 21:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia card (Transcend was borked) |
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| 21:09.25 | Infoport | hmm, upgrade ended with a seg fault |
| 21:12.45 | Infoport | I wonder if I neglected to copy over kernel modules after reflash? That might be why so many kernel modules are in SHR upgrade |
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| 21:57.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5397 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (delete.c expr.c expr.h fpd.y gui.c): |
| 21:57.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - tables no longer try to fill the available space in the variables area |
| 21:57.21 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added string-valued expressions (on-going) |
| 21:57.22 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - loops, tables, and rows can now be deleted/undeleted (still need columns) |
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| 22:24.49 | omaha | hello all |
| 22:25.41 | omaha | anyone around well familiar with ts_calibrate? |
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| 22:51.37 | tim_abell | ooh, i seem to have had my fr for a year now. yay! |
| 22:51.48 | tim_abell | just found some old irc logs |
| 22:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Congratulations! |
| 22:52.17 | SpeedEvil | passes tim_abell a little birthday cake in the shape of a freerunner, with one candle. |
| 22:52.23 | tim_abell | and i'm still excited :) |
| 22:52.32 | tim_abell | and still up late trying to do stuff |
| 22:52.35 | SpeedEvil | watches as the candle flickers, and goes out, and then emits a stream of flying monkeys. |
| 22:52.46 | tim_abell | thanks SpeedEvil :) |
| 22:52.49 | tim_abell | loves cake |
| 22:59.11 | dcordes | SpeedEvil, you could make good business if you were in posession of such candle |
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| 23:08.01 | ftn | Hi there. I'm connecting to my pc from the freerunner using vncserver, I can move and click with the mouse but the keyboard isn't working at all. What can i do_ pls |
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