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| 00:03.05 | xhr17 | ... yawn. |
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| 00:32.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5387 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): |
| 00:32.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Added delete/undelete. |
| 00:32.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - when moving a point, we no longer restrict the area around the original |
| 00:32.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: position once the drag radius has been left |
| 00:32.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - objects can now be deleted by selecting them and pressing Delete |
| 00:32.43 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - deleted objects can be restored by pressing "u" |
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| 05:21.39 | rooly | so |
| 05:21.45 | rooly | i've decided to make my own distro |
| 05:21.48 | rooly | based on fso |
| 05:21.55 | rooly | gonna call it MoPho |
| 05:22.01 | rooly | byez |
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| 05:36.14 | frankS2 | haha |
| 05:36.20 | frankS2 | yea |
| 05:36.23 | frankS2 | thats what openmoko needs |
| 05:36.25 | frankS2 | another distro |
| 05:36.29 | frankS2 | that wont work |
| 05:38.34 | rooly | yeah |
| 05:38.39 | rooly | its not really for openmoko |
| 05:38.43 | rooly | 's more for me |
| 05:38.50 | frankS2 | really |
| 05:38.55 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 05:39.02 | frankS2 | is 2009 working? |
| 05:39.26 | rooly | i'm not interested in x or e or accel or qt or any of that jazz |
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| 05:40.04 | rooly | i am interested in things like decent number-to-contact resolution tho |
| 05:40.22 | rooly | and integrating pim again |
| 05:41.53 | rooly | and, oh, my favorite one |
| 05:42.04 | rooly | running fast |
| 05:43.15 | rooly | so screw interoperability. no x, no e, no qt, just a plain fso distro running a single program at boot |
| 05:43.21 | rooly | okay, 2 programs |
| 05:43.27 | rooly | anywho |
| 05:43.30 | rooly | byez for real |
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| 06:31.09 | panicking | mickey|zzZZzz, Hi Mickey |
| 06:33.48 | panicking | Android use the AT+CRSM= command to read the address and sms on the sim card |
| 06:34.00 | panicking | but the calypso seems to don't support them |
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| 07:08.36 | badcloud_ | anyone know how to open 'dates' as a smaller window? there's cutoff in shr testing |
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| 07:40.15 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 08:32.30 | badcloud_ | anyone here know how to specify window size in a gtk+ prog? |
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| 08:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud_: #openmoko-cdevel ? |
| 08:37.59 | badcloud_ | I'll try, thanks |
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| 08:59.57 | Kero | mha! spontaneous wake-up of Neo? turns out, it's out of battery. it lived for maybe 30 seconds after that wakeup. |
| 09:00.13 | lindi- | Kero: what's resume_reason? |
| 09:01.43 | PaulFertser | Kero: it's supposed to wake up on low battery, yes. Not supposed to live only for 30 sec after that :) |
| 09:02.22 | Kero | well, 2.6.24 kernel to check for those white screens I have with 2.6.29. |
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| 09:02.58 | Kero | but you'll have to tell me if HW generates the signal for wakeup (should be?) and how much variation there is from battery to battery. |
| 09:03.21 | PaulFertser | Kero: it should generate the signal to wakeup based on battery voltage. |
| 09:04.39 | Kero | myeah. and then I launched an app, draining battery, i.e. lowering voltage. my battery is at least two years old, though iirc older/degrading batteries loose voltage range at the top, not the bottom. |
| 09:05.05 | Kero | anyway, I don't really care about those 30 seconds. |
| 09:06.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: are you interested in using BL-5C/6C? |
| 09:06.08 | Kero | what I do care about is that 2.6.24 does not do the WS, but 2.6.29 has nice battery read-out :) Haven't measured if that 2.6.24 kernel reaches 2d of stand-by. More than the 8h I had with the same kernel on FSO5.5, at the very least. |
| 09:06.31 | Kero | heh, I have a BL-5C from a Nokia phone I bought in the states. |
| 09:07.03 | PaulFertser | Kero: gta01 currently refuses to charge it afaik, but it's a software limitation. Have you read the battery Q&A? |
| 09:07.39 | Kero | and my battery might be old, but if your capacity calculation is OK, after 25 hours I was at 48% capacity. |
| 09:07.44 | Kero | I read the Q&A |
| 09:08.24 | PaulFertser | Kero: who knows, i've checked that guessimation curve only with my battery which is a bit more than half a year old. |
| 09:08.31 | Kero | It would be nice if Neo can charge BL-5C, 'coz otherwise I have to carry a US phone, charger and socket convertor. |
| 09:10.06 | Kero | I can make graphs like that, see what we get. voltage as well as capacity, over time. With both Neo battery and BL-5C. |
| 09:10.20 | Kero | I have 13 days before Neo becomes my main phone :) |
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| 09:11.46 | PaulFertser | Kero: but how do you know actual capacity? ;) |
| 09:11.57 | PaulFertser | Kero: for me it was bq27000 integrated in the battery ;) |
| 09:12.44 | PaulFertser | Kero: and i assume you can't provide reliable current measurements, can you? With that we could produce meaningful graphs. |
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| 09:18.06 | Kero | no, I don't have hardware to measure current. logging capacity would primarily be for visualization, for verification of the computation. |
| 09:18.50 | Kero | I'd prefer a graph over a RMS :) |
| 09:20.31 | PaulFertser | Kero: you don't have a DMM? |
| 09:21.21 | Kero | what is that? |
| 09:21.29 | PaulFertser | Kero: Digital MultiMeter |
| 09:21.43 | Kero | got an AMM :) |
| 09:22.00 | PaulFertser | Kero: so you can use it to measure current |
| 09:22.01 | Kero | google was not helpful, the ads were. |
| 09:22.30 | Kero | yeah, if I can get it to stick to the Neo&battery contacts. |
| 09:23.47 | PaulFertser | Kero: sticking to contacts is not hard. |
| 09:24.04 | PaulFertser | Kero: sticking to battery is also possible with some tape. |
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| 09:38.19 | Kero | sure, I can do that. Can you send me an email or something to explain what I should measure? i.e. run an application, write down measured current as well as a series of values from /sys/class/power/battery/. On an intuitive level I know that voltage and actual current can be combined to tune capacity computation, but I'm not sure on the details; also, you may have other ideas that require additional numbers. |
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| 09:40.53 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2d37fcadbe5a 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): gitignore++ |
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| 10:06.19 | vanous123 | Heinervdm: thank you :) |
| 10:06.31 | Heinervdm | :) |
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| 10:21.14 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rff8bb278cf38 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (4 files): libfsotransport: convert to using the libfsobasics logger |
| 10:28.27 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbff7837fac95 10/ (README libfsobasics/README libfsoframework/README): README cleanup |
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| 10:30.13 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rad72961b3a8d 10/README: README: add build order |
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| 10:35.52 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5388 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (Makefile TODO delete.h dump.c dump.h fped.c gui.c gui.h): |
| 10:35.52 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - started functions to dump .fpd files (automatic labeling doesn't quite work |
| 10:35.52 | CIA-52 | openmoko: yet) |
| 10:35.52 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - don't pass argc, argv to gui_main. They've been harvested before. |
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| 12:30.57 | [Rui] | I'm starting to suspect my nand is dying |
| 12:31.26 | [Rui] | suddenly I couldn't make calls. |
| 12:32.15 | [Rui] | powered off cleanly then on boot... problems with FAT: unknown number of boot sectors or something like it |
| 12:32.47 | [Rui] | if I'm using Qi, is there some page helping me install SHR into an µ-sd card? |
| 12:33.26 | [Rui] | or is it just so simple as to make one bootable partition in the card? |
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| 12:36.51 | [Rui] | dos1: ping? |
| 12:37.33 | larsc | [Rui]: its as easy as creating a partition (and copy some files to it) |
| 12:37.44 | [Rui] | larsc: Qi will find it without any problem? |
| 12:37.56 | [Rui] | larsc: this is because the freerunner is m y phone, so I really need it working :( |
| 12:38.19 | [Rui] | worse... I'm expecting a call this afternoon from someone I don't know the phone number to call beforehand :( |
| 12:38.29 | [Rui] | larsc: thanks |
| 12:38.41 | dos1 | [Rui]: pong? |
| 12:38.57 | [Rui] | dos1: remember that FAT problem? it just happened with a normal shutdown |
| 12:39.06 | [Rui] | dos1: I suspect my nand may be dieing |
| 12:39.18 | [Rui] | either that or it's some problem with SHR |
| 12:39.26 | dos1 | [Rui]: you have FAT on NAND? WTF? |
| 12:39.37 | [Rui] | dos1: jffs I suspect |
| 12:39.44 | [Rui] | dos1: but it's a FAT error that happens |
| 12:40.08 | [Rui] | dos1: but the error message is FAT: bla... |
| 12:41.05 | [Rui] | is so stressed out... now I'm fuly addicted on the freerunner I wouldn't like to have to buy a new one just because it can't boot :( |
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| 13:33.02 | [Rui] | does Qi try µ-sd first rathern than nand? |
| 13:33.48 | [Rui] | yes... it seems so |
| 13:33.51 | [Rui] | huzza! |
| 13:40.55 | gabriel | yes [Rui] |
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| 13:55.28 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r360781002ad8 10/libfsobasics/ (MAINTAINERS fsobasics/logger.vala): libfsobasics: fill in MAINTAINERS |
| 13:56.12 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r95860e5cb97f 10/libfsobasics/configure.ac: libfsobasics: post-release version bump |
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| 14:00.49 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r47edc43c9bca 10/configure.ac: require libfsobasics 0.8.1.0 and libfsotransport 0.9.3 |
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| 14:04.29 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r449f09a597e3 10/ (configure.ac src/consts.vala): require libgsm0710mux 0.3.5 |
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| 14:32.29 | CIA-52 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r8e3e7533b286 10/gsm0710mux/ (channel.vala consts.vala multiplexer.vala): better align hex debug output |
| 14:44.39 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5389 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files in 2 dirs): - GUI: added creation and moving of vectors, measurements, and frame references |
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| 18:32.00 | serdar_ | hi |
| 18:32.10 | tobii_ | hi |
| 18:32.23 | serdar_ | I was looking for the command line to find out which firmware I have moko11 or less |
| 18:32.42 | serdar_ | but I can't find that |
| 18:32.56 | Meomer | isn't that in the upgrade guide? |
| 18:33.10 | Meomer | i think it has it in there to confirm you did the upgrade at the end |
| 18:33.16 | lindi- | look at the source code.. wait it doesn't exist |
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| 18:43.04 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5390 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): |
| 18:43.04 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - revamped delete logic: delete now always works. If there are references, we |
| 18:43.04 | CIA-52 | openmoko: remove them as well. (In progress.) |
| 18:43.04 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added frame deletion |
| 18:43.04 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - gui_status.c:add_label added vertical padding to keep the input area from |
| 18:43.04 | CIA-52 | openmoko: bouncing (by Alvaro Lopes) |
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| 19:55.51 | tig| | I don't suppose anyone else is having problems trying to turn on GSM on SHR-Unstable ? |
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| 19:57.36 | ndnihil | gsm comes up automatically |
| 19:57.42 | ndnihil | when the sim is inserted |
| 19:57.58 | tig| | ndnihil: not here I am having all sorts of problems |
| 19:58.04 | ndnihil | rather, when a -valid- sim is in there |
| 19:58.12 | ndnihil | sure you arent talking about GPRS? |
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| 19:58.21 | tig| | I assume either frameworkd, ophoekitd or dbus is screwed here |
| 19:58.21 | ndnihil | I dont think there is a user controllable toggle for GSM |
| 19:58.30 | tig| | yes there is in SHR settings |
| 19:58.54 | tig| | and at the command line but ophonekit still thinks GSM is not available |
| 19:59.09 | ndnihil | looking |
| 19:59.57 | ndnihil | ah, you talking about the gsm antenna slider? |
| 20:00.02 | tig| | yeah |
| 20:00.07 | ndnihil | mine stays on |
| 20:00.11 | jaj | tig|: have you upgraded your gsm firmware? |
| 20:00.19 | tig| | jaj yes |
| 20:00.21 | ndnihil | just turned it off without issue |
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| 20:01.00 | jaj | tig|: does your SIM work with another distro? |
| 20:01.16 | tig| | basically the phone registers I get the operator name in the top corner but all phone functions are messed up, i restart frameworkd, ophonekitd and dbus and still nothing works |
| 20:01.17 | ndnihil | turned it back on |
| 20:01.20 | ndnihil | without any errors |
| 20:01.34 | tig| | it was all working fine here until the other day when it randomly stopped |
| 20:01.42 | ndnihil | <-- using shr-unstable from early last month |
| 20:01.46 | tig| | tried upgrading today |
| 20:02.02 | tig| | don't really want to reflash but it is looking that way :( |
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| 20:02.41 | Slaxxer | doit |
| 20:05.39 | tig| | well I have spent a couple of hours on it now and still no joy so it is going to be a reflash, I am a bit annoyed I can't fix it though |
| 20:05.47 | jaj | I would try gsm manually to see if it works |
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| 21:57.33 | jaj | I'm wondering, wouldn't it be a good idea to not suspend when gpsd is active? |
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| 22:54.38 | tim_abell | does anyone know off the top of their head what makes the difference between showing as usb0 and eth1? Is it uboot vs that new one? Just adding some notes to a wiki page |
| 22:56.54 | Weiss | it's "uBoot or old version of Qi" vs "new version of Qi" |
| 22:57.05 | tim_abell | nice one, thanks |
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| 23:04.24 | tim_abell | udev rocks |
| 23:04.34 | tim_abell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Using_network-manager_on_systems_using_udev |
| 23:04.54 | tim_abell | just figured out and added new udev rules for qi version |
| 23:05.57 | tim_abell | once again i can plug in the usb cable, and instantly gain net access on the phone through the host pc. yay! :D |
| 23:06.22 | jjwc | No wifi here either :( |
| 23:06.26 | tim_abell | i love being able to add the results of my learnings to a wiki |
| 23:06.45 | tim_abell | i've got the wifi working. sometimes :s |
| 23:06.55 | tim_abell | depends is shr is behaving |
| 23:07.01 | tim_abell | right, bed |
| 23:07.05 | tim_abell | laters |
| 23:07.05 | jjwc | What kind of wireless setup do you have? |
| 23:07.17 | jjwc | gah, nvm... good night |
| 23:07.21 | tim_abell | you mean the access point? |
| 23:07.30 | jjwc | Yeah, encryption, hidden ssid, etc. |
| 23:07.39 | tim_abell | wpa, not hidden |
| 23:07.47 | tim_abell | possibly wpa2 not sure |
| 23:07.53 | jjwc | Hmm, maybe I should try unhiding |
| 23:08.23 | tim_abell | wpa-psk according to my bebox |
| 23:08.34 | tim_abell | aka thomson tg585v7 |
| 23:09.01 | tim_abell | Security |
| 23:09.01 | tim_abell | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.07 | tim_abell | oops |
| 23:09.11 | tim_abell | time for a new key! |
| 23:09.15 | jjwc | ... |
| 23:09.19 | jjwc | Too much info :) |
| 23:09.29 | tim_abell | oh hell, you lot will never come to my house anyway |
| 23:09.39 | tim_abell | and if you did you are welcome to my internets :D |
| 23:10.14 | jjwc | hahaha... I think I'll play around with my router a bit. Did you use Mokonnect or manually setup the cxn? |
| 23:10.26 | tim_abell | mokonnect |
| 23:10.41 | tim_abell | good luck jjwc |
| 23:10.48 | jjwc | Thanks, I'll play around some more. |
| 23:10.51 | jjwc | good night, tim_abell |
| 23:11.02 | tim_abell | night :) |
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