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| 00:23.13 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - fixed stupid realloc(..., len) error |
| 00:23.13 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - rearranged input area and added vector component edit capability |
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| 01:39.13 | drascus321 | If you haven't already signed the petition asking Amazon to remove DRM from the Kindle please Consider joining in the fight: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/amazon1984 |
| 01:40.34 | SpeedEvil | I want the fuckers to sell me one. |
| 01:40.45 | SpeedEvil | Oh - and to let me run openmoko on it. |
| 01:41.18 | SpeedEvil | The deelting books that you've bought thing is evil |
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| 01:42.16 | drascus321 | it's already running a version of GNU/Linux if they would just release the source under GPL for what they added and get rid of DRM I would have no problem with the thing |
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| 01:44.27 | raster | SpeedEvil: i'm waiting for epaper to not suck as much :) |
| 01:44.52 | SpeedEvil | raster: in what way does it suck? |
| 01:45.00 | SpeedEvil | Other than them not giving it to me? |
| 01:45.24 | raster | not the kindel specifically - just e-ink/paper in general |
| 01:45.31 | raster | update times are pretty bad still |
| 01:45.33 | SpeedEvil | I mean - why does it suck |
| 01:45.44 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right - I don't care much about that. |
| 01:45.58 | SpeedEvil | I want it for stuff like 7 segment displays. |
| 01:46.03 | raster | basically updating the screen involved "flip to black, flip to white, then flip to the pixels to show" |
| 01:46.03 | SpeedEvil | And rewritable labels. |
| 01:46.33 | SpeedEvil | For which I basically need the raw film - which they won't sell. |
| 01:46.52 | SpeedEvil | And also for a silly little wand printer. |
| 01:46.58 | raster | when you can just flip directly to the pixel values wanted - and do it in < 30ms, i'm finally happy :) wqell ok - not quite. want color! :) |
| 01:47.02 | SpeedEvil | that you drag over a sheet of e-ink, and it prints it. |
| 01:47.13 | SpeedEvil | colour - and reflectance >25% is _hard_ |
| 01:47.34 | raster | as i said... i'm waiting :) |
| 01:47.41 | raster | i didn't say it's easy :) |
| 01:47.55 | rooly | hey, does .NET have a garbage collector? |
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| 01:49.14 | drascus321 | you can just buy a do it yourself e-reader kit and not just use the display included or you can by an ereader and take the display out if you want. |
| 01:49.29 | drascus321 | the refresh times are not as bad as they once were they are pretty darn snappy now |
| 01:49.39 | drascus321 | and they are talking of offering color in the near future |
| 01:51.18 | raster | drascus321: as i said. < 30ms :) |
| 01:51.28 | raster | they are not anywhere near that yet |
| 01:51.35 | raster | i have heard of the color ones |
| 01:51.55 | raster | i dont know if they still require the cycle update (to black then to white then to value) |
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| 02:29.00 | Psi | is android usable on gta01 or does the lack of screen accel and accelerometers an issue? |
| 02:29.13 | Psi | does=is |
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| 05:10.56 | rooly | WO HOO! |
| 05:11.01 | rooly | got my google voice in today |
| 05:12.54 | jjwc | rooly: me too! |
| 05:12.55 | jjwc | :) |
| 05:13.10 | jjwc | I was so excited to receive the invitation... |
| 05:13.21 | rooly | mine came in at 6:19 today |
| 05:13.39 | jjwc | 1952 est |
| 05:14.27 | jjwc | The best I could do in my hometown area was my initials... Good enough. |
| 05:14.33 | rooly | right, 18:19 cst |
| 05:14.48 | rooly | i couldn't get what i wanted in my area |
| 05:15.41 | rooly | so i got ohio |
| 05:15.46 | rooly | 419 66 rooly |
| 05:16.11 | jjwc | Nice. |
| 05:16.39 | jjwc | I don't really have a use for the whole multiple phone thing yet because I only have a cellphone, but the voicemail feature is really awesome. |
| 05:16.47 | jjwc | I tried leaving a message and it transcribed it perfectly. |
| 05:16.53 | rooly | cool |
| 05:17.17 | jjwc | Now if only there was an OM app :) |
| 05:17.39 | rooly | i'm writing a telephony server |
| 05:17.46 | rooly | using python, wx, and sql |
| 05:17.55 | jjwc | Ooh, sounds interesting. |
| 05:18.01 | rooly | and i'm scratching the whole x-server idea |
| 05:18.22 | jjwc | I'm hoping to be able to do some development fairly soon... I kind of overloaded myself with projects. |
| 05:18.50 | jjwc | So right now, after installing the buzzfix, I haven't really used my freerunner other than as a phone and media player. |
| 05:22.12 | jjwc | Also, I'm having trouble getting WiFi to work, even when I try to do things manually with wpa_supplicant. |
| 05:22.33 | jjwc | Though I'm not entirely convinced it's a phone problm... I have reason to suspect that my router has been acting up |
| 05:23.01 | rooly | jjwc: its a phone problem |
| 05:23.04 | rooly | mine is giving trouble too |
| 05:23.43 | jjwc | Ah... I remember reading on the lists about some breakage due to a kernel upgrade, but I don't know if that info was current or not. |
| 05:25.29 | rooly | so |
| 05:25.45 | rooly | i'm considering this whole integrate google voice into the phone stack |
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| 05:26.56 | jjwc | Hmm, interesting idea. |
| 05:27.07 | rooly | yesh |
| 05:27.17 | jjwc | This could allow you to screen for calls based on the contacts list in the phone, no? |
| 05:27.28 | rooly | it could |
| 05:27.46 | rooly | i don't know the api |
| 05:27.52 | rooly | but it can't be hard with python |
| 05:28.00 | rooly | my new favorite language |
| 05:28.13 | jjwc | Google usually designs decent and well thought-out APIs in my experience. |
| 05:28.19 | jjwc | And yes, Python is a wonderful lang. |
| 05:28.34 | jjwc | Though I suspect it's the cause of some of the slowness with embedded devices like the fr |
| 05:29.04 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:29.16 | rooly | this also means one can kill an sms subscription and get just data |
| 05:29.42 | jjwc | Yeah, I don't have a SMS plan so I had to turn off the voicemail alerts and leave it them at my email. |
| 05:30.13 | jjwc | I'm on a college campus 90% of the time, so I don't really need a data plan either so long as I have WiFi. |
| 05:31.05 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:31.09 | rooly | are browsers hard to make? |
| 05:31.21 | rooly | i mean, back, forward, home, location, and render it, right? |
| 05:31.30 | jjwc | Web browsers? Pretty easy thanks to webkit. |
| 05:31.33 | rooly | maybe a favorites |
| 05:31.34 | jjwc | Check out uzbl |
| 05:31.44 | rooly | i wanna add a browser to my stack |
| 05:32.37 | jjwc | I can do most of my stuff through SSH. |
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| 05:33.03 | jjwc | As long as I can get into my server, I'm good for email, etc. Browsing might be possible through VNC. |
| 05:34.08 | jjwc | The less work the proc has to do, the happier everyone is. |
| 05:34.30 | rooly | SO |
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| 05:36.45 | jjwc | Oh, wow, I have to get up in 4 hours... Better get some rest... |
| 05:36.51 | jjwc | 'night rooly |
| 05:36.55 | rooly | nn |
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| 05:38.05 | rooly | home, contacts, calls, messages( sms, im, email ), calender, browser, settings |
| 05:39.26 | rooly | and home will have the time, a dialer button, a power button, and notifications |
| 05:40.00 | rooly | however, i'm thinking about putting notifiers as numbers in each tab |
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| 06:01.37 | Psi | dont suppose anyone in here knows about XPembeddeds EWF |
| 06:02.06 | Psi | or knows a channel that would |
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| 07:04.40 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5382 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (expr.c gui.c inst.c util.c): |
| 07:04.40 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Valgrind and gcc -O: |
| 07:04.40 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - stralloc_vprintf: used snprintf instead of vsnprintf. Oops ! |
| 07:04.40 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - build_frames: didn't initialize "n" |
| 07:04.40 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added a few initializations to stop gcc from complaining |
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| 08:40.37 | geaaru | hi, is there a ipkg package for zhone application? where i can found it? thanks in advance |
| 08:41.43 | geaaru | my fault i found it from ipkg list command, sorry |
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| 08:54.36 | methril|work | morning |
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| 09:32.37 | ndnihil | woot, watching my home security cameras on the FR :) |
| 09:33.32 | laotseu | :) |
| 09:34.23 | ndnihil | sure as hell couldnt do that on the brokeberry |
| 09:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | hey, publish a howto! ;-) |
| 09:36.06 | ndnihil | open browser, go to zoneminder where you've got the cameras connected |
| 09:36.19 | ndnihil | the real task was getting zoneminder set up |
| 09:36.27 | ndnihil | but that's not OM related |
| 09:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 09:36.37 | ndnihil | midori sucks balls by the way |
| 09:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 09:37.01 | ndnihil | and dillo doesnt do javascript |
| 09:37.05 | Meomer | galaxies through nano-tubes? |
| 09:37.14 | ndnihil | Meomer: entirely |
| 09:40.11 | ndnihil | is there a way to disable the broken ass predictive url entry? |
| 09:40.14 | ndnihil | in midori? |
| 09:40.35 | ndnihil | if you backspace, then try to enter any characters, it keeps backspacing |
| 09:40.56 | Meomer | is there an about:config? |
| 09:41.08 | ndnihil | dunno, cant type shit in there |
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| 09:43.12 | Meomer | hmm, started it with about:config as param, seems there isn't one |
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| 09:49.13 | ndnihil | and as scarce as screen area is on this thing, that "warning you are running this as superuser" bar eats up enough to be annoying |
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| 17:53.08 | *** topic/#openmoko is Newsflash: Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, support for present models continues with limited resources | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 |
| 18:03.10 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5385 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): |
| 18:03.10 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - previous Makefile change was: tentative fix for compatibility with older |
| 18:03.10 | CIA-52 | openmoko: ImageMagick versions (reported by Alvaro Lopes) |
| 18:03.10 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - we can now also select the frame's origin as a reference |
| 18:03.10 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - added general frame selection logic |
| 18:03.11 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - make sure we always use %s when passing names to status_set_name |
| 18:03.13 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - we can now drag endpoints (in progress) |
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| 18:56.31 | jaj | in SHR, when you loose your home network and it connects to some network limited to "SOS only", it does not reconnect to your home network when it's available again |
| 18:58.55 | dos1 | jaj: i can't see how it could be SHR related... |
| 18:59.04 | dos1 | jaj: reconnecting to network is modem's job |
| 18:59.23 | jaj | dos1: I don't know whether it's SHR related or not |
| 18:59.48 | dos1 | jaj: upgrade modem firmware if you didn't do that and then check |
| 19:00.37 | jaj | dos1: I did do that |
| 19:01.03 | dos1 | jaj: then check, if you have "automatic" connection type in shr-settings->Phone->GSM->Modem information |
| 19:01.14 | dos1 | jaj: if yes, then there is nothing you (we) can do |
| 19:01.42 | jaj | it's something libgsm0710 could perhaps take care of |
| 19:01.48 | dos1 | jaj: no |
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| 19:02.08 | jaj | dos1: it could scan periodically for available networks |
| 19:02.13 | dos1 | jaj: libgsm0710* is only GSM 07.10 muxer |
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| 19:02.27 | jaj | libgsm0710mux ? |
| 19:02.32 | dos1 | jaj: noo, please don't! that's awfull wasting of battery :/ |
| 19:02.59 | dos1 | and it would be layer violation, as that's not libgsm0710 job ;P |
| 19:03.17 | jaj | only when you are not connected to a reasonable network |
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| 19:04.30 | jaj | the GSM modem doesn't seem to do the job, I'm at a place where I have an excellent signal with my home network for some hours now and it stays registred to some other network that offers "SOS only" |
| 19:04.55 | jaj | only because I went biking to the forest this afternoon :) |
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| 19:09.09 | jaj | (oh and yes, I'm in automatic mode of course) |
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| 19:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | scanning for networks via AT-interface means you lose connectivity during a rather long period. I honestly doubt anybody is willing to cope with this |
| 19:12.09 | jaj | in this situation you don't have any connectivity anyway |
| 19:12.58 | jaj | and the only way to get back your connectivity is to scan periodically via the GUI... |
| 19:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | you actually have, you can place an SOS call. I don't think it's sensible to block this feature and tell user "please wait, scanning in progress" |
| 19:14.07 | jaj | well you could provide an on/off slider in the phone settings menu, that would not be a major issue |
| 19:14.08 | PaulFertser | ChristW: hey |
| 19:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | btw this might be a good reason for the calypso-FW developers to design it this way |
| 19:14.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm back again, HI :D |
| 19:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | hi! :D |
| 19:14.41 | dos1 | jaj: it is provided ;x |
| 19:14.55 | dos1 | jaj: on/off toggle in shr-settings->Phone->GSM |
| 19:15.16 | jaj | dos1: that's not what I was talking about |
| 19:16.18 | dos1 | jaj: ah, ok, now i understand |
| 19:16.30 | dos1 | jaj: and i'm strongly AGAINST |
| 19:16.34 | jaj | :) |
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| 19:16.55 | jaj | can you scan networks and connect to one via dbus? |
| 19:17.28 | dos1 | jaj: yes, that's how shr-settings is doing that |
| 19:17.54 | jaj | well then I can just write a shell script that does what I want :) |
| 19:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | yup, you bought a Freerunner, not a Nokia or googlephone ;-D |
| 19:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, diner |
| 19:19.25 | jaj | DocScrutinizer: yes I know, I'm trying to improve the usability of the freerunner, not the googlephone ;) |
| 19:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | free your phone :-D |
| 19:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 19:20.27 | jaj | DocScrutinizer: good dinner |
| 19:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | thnx |
| 19:21.06 | jaj | by the way, does anybody know if a GPRS connection survives the fact / is reestablished when I lost the network and connect back? |
| 19:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 19:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | any confirmation appreciated |
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| 19:43.34 | Kero | OK, what about these WhiteScreens after suspend. still gta01, will check actual uBoot version later, SHR with very recent 2.6.29 or recent 2.6.29 (now checking what 2.6.24 is doing). longish wait before resume, otherwise thingswork as expected resume triggered from powering USB can alsoresult in WS. What can I try to figure out what causes it, or improve it? |
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| 19:57.34 | badcloud_ | elementary question (but not a question about elementary), how does one move their home dir in shr? |
| 19:57.46 | badcloud_ | to say, an sd part |
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| 19:59.29 | Kero | vi /etc/passwd ? alternatively, mv and -ln -s |
| 19:59.40 | tschaka | mount it as home in /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:26.42 | [Rui] | DAMN IT! |
| 20:26.56 | [Rui] | Since moving to SHR twice I had a power break, and twice it doesn't boot anymore |
| 20:27.16 | [Rui] | FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
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| 20:29.15 | dos1 | FAT? |
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| 20:36.30 | [Rui] | dos1: yeah |
| 20:36.56 | [Rui] | dos1: and if I put up the u-boot menu, and choose boot, it goes much further |
| 20:37.07 | [Rui] | it even launches the xserver, but just for a few seconds before it does |
| 20:37.16 | [Rui] | I'm daring to try a new shr image |
| 20:37.26 | [Rui] | anyone know how're the latest? |
| 20:37.35 | dos1 | but why FAT? ;x |
| 20:38.06 | [Rui] | tonight, before loosing battery while trying to swap battery, I was about two hours straight with wifi network with the "reliable wifi" wificonfig command |
| 20:38.23 | [Rui] | dos1: is that a rethoric question, somehow? |
| 20:38.51 | dos1 | i'm not using FAT at all in FR |
| 20:38.56 | dos1 | and i'm booting from uSD ;P |
| 20:39.23 | dos1 | s/u/µ/ |
| 20:39.55 | [Rui] | dos1: maybe you're using the sd card? |
| 20:40.06 | [Rui] | dos1: yeah, right... sorry... visual lag :D |
| 20:40.16 | [Rui] | dos1: I'm flashing to nand |
| 20:40.27 | dos1 | i'm using always ext3 |
| 20:40.58 | [Rui] | hahaha |
| 20:41.01 | [Rui] | http://arrastao.org/ficheiros/rui-seabra-software.jpg |
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| 20:41.17 | [Rui] | someone drew me :) |
| 20:41.50 | [Rui] | I represented a blog blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt at a session where a politician was dialoguing with bloggers |
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| 21:45.37 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r5386 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:45.38 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - README: described use of semicolons |
| 21:45.38 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - README: added that loops can also execute zero times |
| 21:45.38 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - accept labels only at the beginning of a line |
| 21:45.38 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - rectangles and lines no longer use the bounding box for drawing (caused |
| 21:45.38 | CIA-52 | openmoko: offset problems since we now correct for the line width) |
| 21:45.42 | CIA-52 | openmoko: - dist_rect and inside_rect no longer require their input pre-sorted |
| 21:46.30 | Meomer | hmm |
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| 21:46.59 | Meomer | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TangoGps that converting script leaves me with a lot of empty xml stanzas |
| 21:47.17 | Meomer | anyone else using something to convert tango logs to gpx? |
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| 21:47.37 | SpeedEvil | I just logged the raw NMEA |
| 21:47.41 | SpeedEvil | I found it better |
| 21:47.57 | SpeedEvil | gpsbabel can go from columnar text to GPX |
| 21:48.37 | Meomer | oh, and that is in the ubuntu reps, gonna try that |
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| 21:56.26 | Kero | 2.6.24 does not show WS, it seems. now what? |
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| 22:01.05 | Meomer | speedevil: do you add some magic to get a route from all the waypoints? |
| 22:01.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 22:01.46 | SpeedEvil | I would here respond with my script - but it's on one of 6 hard drives in a pile at the moment |
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| 22:02.16 | SpeedEvil | there is some waypoint->trackpoint->route thing you need to do in the gpsbable commandline |
| 22:02.54 | Meomer | oh |
| 22:03.00 | Meomer | just seen it in the manpage |
| 22:03.12 | Meomer | it's neatly hidden with a lot of different filters :) |
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| 22:04.18 | Meomer | now i just have to google the difference between tracks and routes :) |
| 22:07.31 | SpeedEvil | gpsbabel -i nmea -f - -x transform,wpt=trk,del -x radius,distance=1.2K,lat=56.209,lon=-3.117,exclude,nosort -x transform,trk=wpt,del -o gpx -F $x.pure.gpx |
| 22:07.57 | SpeedEvil | you want something like the second half od that command - excluding the delete points in radius thing I think |
| 22:08.04 | SpeedEvil | it's been a wile though |
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| 22:10.10 | Meomer | actually i might fiddle with that too |
| 22:14.57 | Meomer | or not, as it's not the filter i thought it'd be :) |
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